building-and-recc-chat

[mighty bobcat]

for power supply I've been sticking to looking at higer end EVGA, Corsair, Seasonic, and Superflower units of course in that list of 4 there are only 2 manufacturers lol

[stoic island]

oo nice

PCPP might've fixed itself

[foggy hazel]

@zealous edge long story short. Just no.

[zealous edge]

Why

Lol

[stoic island]

@mighty bobcat this is my parametric selection of nice PSUs :)
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr1111/saved/ry3RvK

[foggy hazel]

bad price and bad selection of parts

[stoic island]

650/750w

[zealous edge]

@foggy hazel tell me whats wrong

[foggy hazel]

all of it aside from the HDD are a waste of money imo

[mighty bobcat]

i grabbed an evga 850 on sale lol still overpaid but with supply beign what it is I didn't want to wait

[zealous edge]

How tho?

Can u edit the part list then naed

Im trying to go for intel btw

I dont really like amd

[stoic island]

@craggy kelp Preliminary barebones list, let's talk about it from here.
https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/bcNLJf

[foggy hazel]

@zealous edge when do you plan to build?

[stoic island]

Taking 3080 MSRP from Nvidia's Netherlands listed MSRP

[zealous edge]

I was thinking of buying the parts end of november

[foggy hazel]

come back in 2-3 weeks then @zealous edge

[stoic island]

and taking 5600x USD MSRP and adding a bit for good measure, mirroring what Nvidia did basically

[craggy kelp]

Alright

[foggy hazel]

and do yourself a favour and read reviews of the amd parts on november 5th

[stoic island]

So how do you feel about it?

[craggy kelp]

Isn’t nvidia better?

[stoic island]

(Before anyone asks, yes 970evo is the cheapest avaliable at 500gb out of mp34/sn750/sx8200 pro)

Hm?

[craggy kelp]

Atleast that’s what i’m told

[zealous edge]

@foggy hazel Is the cooler and cpu, gpu also a waste of money?

[mighty bobcat]

10600k is less than 9700k and the z490 boards are only slightly more

[stoic island]

Unless I shared the wrong list, Nvidia GPU is right there

[crude rose]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9HTsZZ

[craggy kelp]

Oh wow 3080

[mighty bobcat]

Nvidia is the graphics card chip manufacturer

[foggy hazel]

@zealous edge see previous answer.

[craggy kelp]

That’s the new one right?

[stoic island]

Yes

[mighty bobcat]

yes

[stoic island]

you have 2500 euros overall budget for a setup correct?

[craggy kelp]

Yes

[deep skiff]

minus desk

[rustic sandal]

hey mr

[stoic island]

hey

[rustic sandal]

is this a good fan curve

[stoic island]

fan curve all personal preference

[rustic sandal]

Keep in mind I have no clue what I’m doing

[zealous edge]

Naed the budget is like 1500 canadian dollers without tax

[stoic island]

you go test it yourself

[rustic sandal]

Well I want it to be decent bcc I almost never have full load

[foggy hazel]

@rustic sandal have some respect please.

[stoic island]

it's a "what sound do you want it to make" kind of thing

[rustic sandal]

what did I do...

[stoic island]

I don't know what your fans sound like

[deep skiff]

like i dont like a loud pc so mines really slow

[stoic island]

I don't know what you like hearing

soooo

[rustic sandal]

they are barely loud atm

[foggy hazel]

he is busy helping others @rustic sandal :)

[craggy kelp]

Do you also have recommendations for a headset and a mic?

[rustic sandal]

I’m sorry 😦

[zealous edge]

Naedd

U gotta help me man lol

[stoic island]

Yea, can you see if this ships to you?
https://drop.com/buy/drop-sennheiser-pc38x-gaming-headset

[zealous edge]

Im legit so confused

[foggy hazel]

@zealous edge #building-and-recc-chat message

[zealous edge]

Why tho

[foggy hazel]

i cannot help you if you dont read the messages

[craggy kelp]

Alr let me check

[foggy hazel]

because its a waste of my time to make a list now

[stoic island]

Really good for a "gaming headset", it's my usual go-to.

[mighty bobcat]

the sennheiser he suggested to see if they can ship to you https://drop.com/buy/drop-sennheiser-pc38x-gaming-headset

[zealous edge]

ok

the 3080 is like 1100 cad

Like holayy

thats acc crazy

[craggy kelp]

Oh but this one has a build in mic

[stoic island]

@cursive wharf quick question for ya, single rail vs multi rail shouldn't matter as long as it's a good unit at 750w correct?

[deep skiff]

pretty sure its 850w+ where it really matters

[craggy kelp]

Do you have any without a build in mic?

[cursive wharf]

750w gets a bit eh as for whether you see OCP on 12v rail

think it'd be case by case basis

[stoic island]

Yea I think you said 850w is where OCP on 12v rail becomes an issue for single rail

[cursive wharf]

old articles said 650w, seen some 750w before so idk where average OCP tech is

[stoic island]

@craggy kelp yea if you want a full audio setup we can just allocate 250euros in the list for that, and go on about the rest of the setup. You can talk with people in #peripherals-and-displays about full audio setups, I'm not good with that stuff.

Next, monitor.

[craggy kelp]

Alright

[stoic island]

What will you be doing, just gaming?

[craggy kelp]

I want 2 monitors

[stoic island]

mhm, so do you do anything other than gaming?

[craggy kelp]

Yeah and for school work and all that stuff

[stoic island]

because if not, the second monitor can be on the lower end

[craggy kelp]

Just for discord and stuff

[stoic island]

Do you care about monitor size differences, and do you want a 'vertical' second monitor for discord?

[craggy kelp]

I want them to be the same size

And both horizontal

[stoic island]

hm

[craggy kelp]

Or atleast no major difference in size

[stoic island]

dunno how I want to go about this if you want two of the same size

[foggy hazel]

do you know what it means when one is vertical? @craggy kelp ?

[stoic island]

Primary monitor I'm going to say 27in 1440p144hz panel

[mighty bobcat]

I've used AOC before but the AOC Q27G2U/BK would be 500+ for both exactly the same

[stoic island]

G27q should work

[craggy kelp]

Yup

[stoic island]

@mighty bobcat I wanna get them some nice IPS panels :D

[foggy hazel]

(reason for asking is that 2 identical 24/27inch monitors are going to take up a LOT of your Field of view)

[mighty bobcat]

I mean I get it I love my MSI 1440p and lived with my asus 60hz 1080p for a while lol

[stoic island]

and having two identical monitors centered puts some strain on your neck for having to turn to see your primary monitor, just some food for thought.

[craggy kelp]

Oh no i will have one in front of me and another slightly to the right

[mighty bobcat]

2 27" but one centered and one to the side works well for me (I have them on different levels - due to desk) so them not matching wasn't a thing

[stoic island]

ofc

[rustic sandal]

Should I try putting my old SSD first in boot sequence? No apps are showing up, but the SSD is recognized

[stoic island]

did you initialize it?

and does it have windows on it?

[rustic sandal]

It does

It was my old SSD in my other pc

[stoic island]

try then.

[rustic sandal]

Samsung 860 evo

Will it matter if I downloaded windows on my new one as well?

[craggy kelp]

Oh btw

[stoic island]

?

[craggy kelp]

Also have any recommendations for chairs?

[stoic island]

comfy office chair

[mighty bobcat]

best to sit in a chair to see if you like it - hard to do currently though

[stoic island]

don't go for gaming/racing chairs unless you want to waste a hundred dollars/euros

imo at least.

[craggy kelp]

What about the gaming chairs

[foggy hazel]

please dont

[craggy kelp]

Oh okay

[rustic sandal]

They aren’t that comfortable trust me

[stoic island]

Some people would even argue gaming chairs are worse than a good comfy office chair

[foggy hazel]

go and visit a shop that sells chairs and try different ones if you can.

[stoic island]

^

[rustic sandal]

They look cool

[craggy kelp]

Like Ikea?

[rustic sandal]

If you get one, get a super padded one

[mighty bobcat]

gaming chairs are a Gimmic to get more $$ a good 12hour rated office chair is well worth it though

[foggy hazel]

we dont know, and dont want to know about your bum size, but it IS a factor

[mighty bobcat]

Ikea chairs are okay

[rustic sandal]

Oh my SSD just said repairing drive

[stoic island]

idc what people say, I game on a wooden chair I pulled out of the dining room

works great

[mighty bobcat]

I'd suggest a good office store if you can find one

[craggy kelp]

Oh okay

[stoic island]

anyways

[craggy kelp]

And what about mkb?

[stoic island]

hm

this is where we're at for right now.
https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/9T3cYg

[craggy kelp]

Oh alr

[mighty bobcat]

but really its about what is comfortable to you - i'm 1.8m tall and 145kg a chair to fit me might be akward to a 1.6m 120kg person

need to make the monitor X2

[stoic island]

I'm trying to think if I want to get you another of those monitors, but gets you closer to the limits of your budget than I'd like to be

[mighty bobcat]

or that

[foggy hazel]

"idc what people say, I game on a wooden chair I pulled out of the dining room, works great" <- you are also still young @stoic island

[stoic island]

Of course

it also has padding

[mighty bobcat]

if its a second screen a 60hz isnt that noticable

[stoic island]

but yea

[foggy hazel]

please take it from someone that has lived a while, chairs matter :)

[mighty bobcat]

unless you start to do more intricate things like modeling or photo work on it

[craggy kelp]

Oh no

Primarily for discord

[stoic island]

gud gaming chair

[mighty bobcat]

i don't see much for disc and browser differences in my 60/144 panels - just the 1080 to 1440 changes

Better than my 11 year old office chair that I lost the arm rests on lol

[sturdy leaf]

Is this normal for a cpu?

[mighty bobcat]

whats the load on it?

[sturdy leaf]

Idle

[mighty bobcat]

cooler?

[sturdy leaf]

Stock

[stoic island]

it's normal

[mighty bobcat]

maybe? stock coolers tend to run hot

[stoic island]

@sturdy leaf and remember, idle temps tell you nothing other than your room temperature >:P

Stressed temp is what matters

[sturdy leaf]

Oh

What about the pcie

[stoic island]

doesn't matter

[sturdy leaf]

Oh cause when I saw it at like 110 I was shocked lol

[stoic island]

as long as they're under 90c under extreme load, you don't have to worry about it other than OCing

[stoic island]

@sturdy leaf W E U S E M E T R I C S Y S T E M H E R E

[mighty bobcat]

Oh i didnt even see the F lol

[stoic island]

But seriously

[mighty bobcat]

i saw 45 and went - eh stock will keep it from dying lol

[stoic island]

please use the metric system for computer parts

[thin meteor]

Is 2 monitor good

[stoic island]

it doesn't help anyone if you start talking about PC temps in Fahrenheit

@thin meteor depends on what you want to do

[mighty bobcat]

@thin meteor depends on what you want to do

lol

[thin meteor]

O

[mighty bobcat]

i use dual for work lots of spreadsheets and such

[thin meteor]

Wow

[stoic island]

@craggy kelp heyo again, so do you just want any 27in monitor next to the primary one? Honestly at this point I would likely just suggest a 24in secondary monitor that can pivot for discord.

[mighty bobcat]

home - I have 2 because I got a new one and kept the old

[stoic island]

because different model 27in monitors can look weird together

[craggy kelp]

Alr then i’ll do that

Thanks

For everything

[stoic island]

lemme quickly grab some pics for how secondary pivot monitor would look

[craggy kelp]

Alr

[stoic island]

ignore the monitor arm, but something like this

[mighty bobcat]

@sturdy leaf If you're concerned or want it to run cooler I believe MR likes the Gammaxx 400 as a good inexpensive option and you can go up from there

[stoic island]

pulled from build-pics

@mighty bobcat hey, I wouldn't really start giving out cooler suggestions where there are no thermal problems :P

[mighty bobcat]

I just said IF he wanted to

[stoic island]

if they run p95 and it starts running at 90c, sure, might be new cooler time

[mighty bobcat]

lol

[stoic island]

but that temp is by no means too high

[mighty bobcat]

you mean powervirus

thats what the P means right <.<

[craggy kelp]

Alright

Thanks again @mighty bobcat @stoic island

I’ll be going now cause i got school in 6 hours😅

[stoic island]

Fair enough

I'll add some placeholder stuff in

and I'll @ you again with a more fleshed out list.

[craggy kelp]

Alr

Or you can dm me

That’s fine too

[rustic sandal]

my ram isn’t recognized now... WHATAM I DOING WRONG

[thin meteor]

Prob you put it the wrong way

[mighty bobcat]

reseat and make sure you are using the right dimm slots

2 and 4 or 1 and 3

depending on the motherboard

[slim escarp]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08DP7RGJQ/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=AEHA1AAWZIC3L&psc=1 is this a good budget case?

[rustic sandal]

I have 4

all 4 filled

they were recognized like 10 mins ago

I didn’t move anything...

[mighty bobcat]

re-seat it then?

[thin meteor]

What good monitor is there asus 165hz monitor or scepter 144hz monitor

[rustic sandal]

they’re lighting up just fine

[south pike]

hey

do you guys recommend a 1650 super with a i3 9100f

[mighty bobcat]

brand new build?

[slim escarp]

@south pike yes that is a good combo

[stoic island]

@south pike at <600usd, yes that sounds like a good idea.

[south pike]

@mighty bobcat first build

[mighty bobcat]

just based on the brands I'd say ASUS 165hz

[stoic island]

I made a 550$ 1650 super 9100f list not too long ago.

[slim escarp]

I’m using the 3100 with the 1650 super but that’s person preference because of cpu cooler

[south pike]

yeah+

[stoic island]

hm who to ping

[rustic sandal]

me

[south pike]

intels stock coolers are trash

[rustic sandal]

help pls 🥺👉👈

[slim escarp]

They are ok just ugly

[stoic island]

@foggy hazel got any ideas on how I can find pivot monitors in Netherlands easily?

[sturdy leaf]

@mighty bobcat how much are those coolers?

[foggy hazel]

no easy way @stoic island

click monitor in pcpp, check the photos

[stoic island]

I wish all websites had the variety of filtering like newegg xd

[slim escarp]

What coolers @mighty bobcat

[stoic island]

I've been thinking pcpp monitors with flat panels at 1080p and just going through

and clicking on each link to check if it has pivot

not efficient at all

[mighty bobcat]

@slim escarp the p400a is a grad case aroudn $80 on amazon

[stoic island]

The TD500 mesh is a great case at 90-100$

I like it over the P400a due to support for bigger coolers.

and top 360mm rad support

[slim escarp]

Nice case but I would prefer it to come with fans

[stoic island]

td500 mesh comes with 3

[mighty bobcat]

@sturdy leaf if you're not thermal throttling with a stock cooler the only real benefit would be sound and the Gammaxx 400 is $20-$30

[stoic island]

p400a comes with 3

[thin meteor]

): said that cdn cost like 2 time as much money so I pay 40 more dollar for 165hz monitor ):

[slim escarp]

The one that comes with fans cost 94 dollars

It’s on sale atm

I’m not building this for a while

[stoic island]

Oh yea and check corsair 4000d airflow

[sturdy leaf]

@mighty bobcat I don’t really care about sound I was just concerned because I thought the temp would be lower lol

[foggy hazel]

"and clicking on each link to check if it has pivot
not efficient at all" <- very true, however you will get experience in picking out which are likely and not likely to have it from doing that, so there is a benefit to it :)

[stoic island]

you know naed, I really thought a monitor looking like this would have pivot :(

[foggy hazel]

:)

[mighty bobcat]

@sturdy leaf nah stock coolers are designed to keep stock under critical temps

[sturdy leaf]

Oh

[stoic island]

ik monitors like this is basically impossible to have pivot but this is still annoying

[mighty bobcat]

if you want to OC you will need a new one, but like Mr said: its safe - as long as it doesn't hit 90+c with what ever you do you're fine

[foggy hazel]

very

[sturdy leaf]

Alr

Thank u guys lol

[stoic island]

@foggy hazel I'm confused here, this is a dell ultrasharp U2419H, lists 80degree swivel on azerty, lists pivot&swivel on dell, you think it pivots?

[slim escarp]

Do you think orange and black pc theme will look good

[stoic island]

and honestly give up, I'm gonna get a 200euro VG249Q that has pivot

[mighty bobcat]

It works if you like the colors

[slim escarp]

Wanna get those naruto vibes

[stoic island]

400 euros for mouse+keeb+audio

hm

[mighty bobcat]

Be Quiet has markets cases with orange and black for a while (they can be expensive though)

marketed*

[slim escarp]

What do you think would look better orange and black or orange and white

[mighty bobcat]

black

[slim escarp]

Oh no I’m just getting a black case putting some orange psu cables in and I’m trying to find a case that comes with some cheap led fans so I can have orange fans too

I don’t need amazing fans because I’m getting a 3100 and 1650 super

[stoic island]

eh

no offense, but I usually get an "old school" vibe from orange PC parts

[slim escarp]

Wdym

[stoic island]

mainly cases

[foggy hazel]

that Dell does have Pivot @stoic island

[mighty bobcat]

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=be+quiet+pure+base+500dx

[stoic island]

eh, might as well grab the 200 euro 144hz vg249q when that thing is 190 euros lol

[foggy hazel]

and do you now understand my disdain for vendor "specs"?

[stoic island]

Mhm

that part actually made some sense if it was true too

[slim escarp]

Idk it fits the theme I could go for white and purple but that would fit more of sasuke if you ever watched naruto and i don’t really like him

[stoic island]

ye

[mighty bobcat]

I might have some naruto fansubs on a DVD-R somewhere

[slim escarp]

This is what they will look like but it will be a different black case

[stoic island]

mmm

[zealous edge]

naed

If ur still here

is the nzxt kraken x53 good

gen 2

[stoic island]

@foggy hazel Since you're more familiar with European pricing, can you give me some quick good audio suggestions for the guy in NL?

@zealous edge Arctic freezer ii

[mighty bobcat]

Sleeved extensions are a great product lol

[zealous edge]

Building a pc in Canada is legit hell on Earth

No joke

[stoic island]

not really?

[zealous edge]

trust lol

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island soundcard/headset/speakers?

[mighty bobcat]

need to get a set for the eventual new build

[stoic island]

headphone+mic, maybe amp+dac if the headphones like em

[foggy hazel]

just about anything you have available in the US should be there

[stoic island]

@zealous edge if you think that's bad, try making a list in sg.pcpartpicker.com xD

[mighty bobcat]

lol

[stoic island]

I mean, it's also because I can't seem to remember the good stuff

dt990 pro

[zealous edge]

The 3080 is legit U dont even wanna know how much in cad

[stoic island]

uhhh

that's like all I remember

pc38x

[mighty bobcat]

@zealous edge you mean if you can be there at teh right 5 seconds when they are available?

[foggy hazel]

start exercising the grey matter @stoic island :)

[stoic island]

hd58x

[zealous edge]

I legit check memory express and anything

everything

the card is like 1200

Like wttfff

[stoic island]

@zealous edge you're lucky asf compared to US

[zealous edge]

(memort express is the micro center of canada)

[stoic island]

we don't even have the card

it's crazy

[mighty bobcat]

lol

[zealous edge]

@stoic island 1200 cad is a lot

[stoic island]

be glad you can get a card for <50% over MSRP

[mighty bobcat]

I don't think they do either?

[zealous edge]

trust me man

[stoic island]

trust me man

I know

that's like 900usd

[zealous edge]

Its not over msrp lol

Its regular price LOL

from nvidia

[stoic island]

but that's much better than having to pay 2000 usd from a scalper

[zealous edge]

I agree

the 3090's here in Canada r like 1500

2500*

cad

[stoic island]

mhm

[zealous edge]

from scalpers

[stoic island]

not bad

[zealous edge]

but lots of ppl have it for 2000

cad

so ye

[stoic island]

but anyways

I doubt 1200cad is msrp from Nvidia

[slim escarp]

Y’all talking about 3080s and I can barely afford a 1650 super

[stoic island]

they didn't list a specific MSRP for Canada

it's kinda a ffa

[rustic sandal]

I’m happy

I got mostly everything working

[stoic island]

for example, it's 720 euros MSRP in EU

[mighty bobcat]

3080s are a myth lol

[zealous edge]

You can check any retailer

[stoic island]

it was like equivelent of 800usd in India

@zealous edge doesn't tell you MSRP

[zealous edge]

asus

[stoic island]

:P

[rustic sandal]

Though my temps are a tad high, idling on browser at like 45

[stoic island]

Mhm

[zealous edge]

memory express

evga

everyone has it for 1200 lol

and their retailers

they cant list like scalpers lol

[mighty bobcat]

@rustic sandal stock cooler?

[stoic island]

What's this then?

https://www.newegg.ca/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-gv-n3080eagle-oc-10gd/p/N82E16814932330

[rustic sandal]

Aio☹️

[stoic island]

1000 cad

:P

[mighty bobcat]

which AIO?

[rustic sandal]

gigabyte aorus 360mm

[zealous edge]

@stoic island legit the first one I saw lol

[mighty bobcat]

I'd check the air flow on it and the mount then

[stoic island]

You see

1200cad isn't even the lowest on retailers

so 1200cad is by no means the msrp

[zealous edge]

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00114312

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Search/Products?Search=3080

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00114404

[stoic island]

lmao

[zealous edge]

Btw

Its out out stock everywhere lol

[stoic island]

what about all of these

Yea

I know it's been out of stock

[mighty bobcat]

its OOS everywhere

[stoic island]

anyways

back to helping other guy

[woeful phoenix]

thats our extra tax prices xD

us taxed price + our countrys tax

[mighty bobcat]

@rustic sandal was going to also ask what case are you using and how's it mounted

[stoic island]

..?

[zealous edge]

I found a website that has one in STOCK

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[rustic sandal]

O11. Top mount

[zealous edge]

Cant share the site lol

[stoic island]

uh ok

[rustic sandal]

Running Geekbench benchmark now

[winged tinsel]

Anyone know a way to have a good chance at getting a 3070 when they come out?

[mighty bobcat]

all fans working and in push or pull or p/p, using them to exhaust, - I'd want to double check the mount if its that high at idle. but if its a first-ish boot it could be running all the background updates for a while

[rustic sandal]

I booted a couple hours ago

[mighty bobcat]

be lucky?

[queen totem]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BLXCbh

is that good

[rustic sandal]

There a lot of random apps in task manager

I just ran Geekbench

[mighty bobcat]

you can get a 3600 for $20 less

[queen totem]

ok

[rustic sandal]

My fans are somewhat still ramping up but not bad

[mighty bobcat]

not sure on the PNY SSD's - meaning I've not heard anythign good nor any thing bad

[zealous edge]

good pc https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yrwtgt

good?

The Gpu price isnt right so

Its like Less then that amount

[rustic sandal]

Pretty good

[zealous edge]

thats what I thought

then a techie told me it was absolutly trash :/

cuz of the cost :/

Black friday bois

legit so much money offf

best time to buy right?

[stoic island]

I don't like it

dramless ssd

9700k pricing high

@zealous edge aren't you supposed to be in canada smh

[crude rose]

I think I already know the answer, but how is this? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6kryXb

[queen totem]

whats a good wifi mobo for the 3600

[stoic island]

@crude rose I'd move the budget around a bit, decent.

[mighty bobcat]

I'd suggest looking at a 10600k build - you loose 2 cores but gain HT and its a bit less

[crude rose]

a higher budget?

[stoic island]

I mean budget allocation

[mighty bobcat]

the b450 you had should work for it Shotz - the list will say caution as early on teh 450 series needed a bios update

[stoic island]

like

[zealous edge]

@stoic island The 9700k pricing is gonna be lowered

[stoic island]

@mighty bobcat meh I'd still get b550

[mighty bobcat]

true

[zealous edge]

and its the american site

thats why its more

[stoic island]

@zealous edge if you're in canada, use ca.pcpartpicker.com lmfao

[zealous edge]

Ik

ik

I did

[stoic island]

then what's the American site for..?

[zealous edge]

IDk

why not?

lol

[stoic island]

because regional pricing

[zealous edge]

Ye

Ik

ur right

[stoic island]

a list that makes sense for one region doesn't for another

[foggy hazel]

if you dont want help, just continue on the path you are on right now @zealous edge

[crude rose]

oh okay, so budget allocation is kind of like distributing your budget around to each part so you don't spend too much on one part or two little on another?

[mighty bobcat]

Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO AC has an orange/black color scheme already

[zealous edge]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/

[foggy hazel]

none of us have to help. we are volunteers.

wrong link.

[zealous edge]

Naed

I didnt say i didnt need help

I waws just showing someone the parts I chose atm

[stoic island]

Kinda, it's my way of saying there's budget allocated towards one thing that maybe should be allocated for another thing. @crude rose

[zealous edge]

and U said they were too pricy

[foggy hazel]

then employ less giggling and be a bit more serious.

[zealous edge]

Understood

[crude rose]

oh ok

[stoic island]

Actually

To start off, what's the build for?

[crude rose]

streaming / gaming

[stoic island]

what's the 3900x for then?

and when are you building?

[crude rose]

maybe next month, but I was told I shouldn't make a list if i'm not planning on building it right away. this is kind of just a list for me to know how the process is

[stoic island]

(Do mention it if you want to be editing)

[zealous edge]

Naed black friday or cyber monday? What day has better sales

[stoic island]

Of course, as long as you know it'll have to be changed soon.

I'll paste what I was about to say then

[cursive wharf]

"better sales" is subjective

[stoic island]

For example, I'd knock the cpu cooler down to maybe even stock, or like a gammaxx 400 (It's surprisingly good despite it's looks, beats a nh-u12s), and put a bit of that money into getting 3600c16 ram, and get a MP34 1tb or smth

[zealous edge]

Larger sales?

The best deals?

@cursive wharf

[stoic island]

@zealous edge how are we supposed to know before the sales come

:P

[crude rose]

3rd eye

[zealous edge]

Past experiences

[cursive wharf]

still subjective, because we dont know what you're fully looking for.

[stoic island]

and on top of that, instead of a 3900x, you likely want to have a 5600x soon.

or a 5800x

[zealous edge]

Basically im looking for the best time to build a good pc at the right prices

[stoic island]

that's my primary issues with it

[crude rose]

I'm hoping to keep it under $2000 but I don't know

[cursive wharf]

Random x b550 board could have an insane deal on Cyber and random y x570 could have insane deal on friday

[stoic island]

oh under 2000$ is easy

lemme quickly edit that list to give you what I'm talking about

[rustic sandal]

I like my X570

[foggy hazel]

Basically im looking for the best time to build a good pc at the right prices <- some time after november 5th

[cursive wharf]

plus, it probably varies every year as for this subjective best. Last year it could've been Cyber. Few years ago it could've been Friday

[foggy hazel]

@stoic island if its for Spooky, did he remember to tell you he is building at the end of november?

[zealous edge]

Naed ty man, thats actually helps a lot

[stoic island]

@crude rose this is what I'm talking about basically
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RQFJ8J

@foggy hazel nah, but I haven't really touched his list xD

[foggy hazel]

good

[stoic island]

I've decided to help people one by one

I still have to look for headphones and mics on amazon.de :P

[crude rose]

oh thank you

[zealous edge]

Naed the main issue with my build was the pricing correct?

[foggy hazel]

"there are no bad products, only bad prices"

[zealous edge]

If I am able to get better pricing will that help my situation

thanks.

[stoic island]

Nomic, what do you think?

[foggy hazel]

you wont get them down low enough that the list will turn good.

[crude rose]

It's much cheaper than what I put together

[stoic island]

case change was because p300a comes with 1 fan, mx330-g air comes with 3 fans at 5$ less

[zealous edge]

its like 1700 cad

It really depends on the gpu

[foggy hazel]

as i said earlier, come back in 2-3 weeks and in the interim, read reviews, specifically the nov 5 ones of the zen3 chips :)

[stoic island]

now, into more "slight" things I see with the list

[zealous edge]

Ye

Il come back then

For now il stick with that list

[stoic island]

X570 likely doesn't offer you much over a B550 board, so would you be opposed to swapping to a B550 phantom gaming 4 board to save 45$?

[hollow warren]

if i dont happen to get the rtx 3070 what would you guys reccomend i get

[zealous edge]

2060 super?

[crude rose]

no

[zealous edge]

2070 super ?

wait for amds card

[hollow warren]

oh yeah

[zealous edge]

first of all

[hollow warren]

facts

facts

[zealous edge]

Unless u dont like amd

If amd has the same prblm as nVidia

[hollow warren]

mmm ive never tried

[zealous edge]

and U dont wanna wait like 6 months to build ur pc after release lol

then just go with a 2070 super

[little leaf]

Not really

People who talk about the 3080 being hard to get don't really try to get one

[zealous edge]

a 1660 super is really good for price to performance rn

[hollow warren]

well im just about to set like 700 tabs and try and get one

[little leaf]

not how it works

[stoic island]

@crude rose next, with those saved monies, I'd use a bit of it for a better PSU, are you opposed to that? The wattage isn't an issue, it's just higher quality.

[hollow warren]

and if i do this while in school then im a goat

[little leaf]

I've gotten to checkout with 10+ 3080s

[zealous edge]

same lol

[little leaf]

Its really not hard

[zealous edge]

Then it just boots you out

[crude rose]

Oh yeah, PSU would be more important to get a higher quality of

[little leaf]

@zealous edge nope

[zealous edge]

thats what it did for me lol

it forced re freshed me

[hollow warren]

aight im just gonna try my hardest

[zealous edge]

and then out of stock message

:/

[little leaf]

Idk why people say its so hard

Bad internet lol?

[zealous edge]

idk lol

[stoic island]

alright, here's the result of the "changed" list for ya :)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yDryXb

[hollow warren]

Bad internet lol?
@little leaf yes cause i will be at my school

lol

[zealous edge]

LOL

[foggy hazel]

@little leaf because people dont like admitting that they are lazy

[crude rose]

when building a pc, are there parts that don't need an absurd amount of money to be spent on or does it depend on what you're going for?

[hollow warren]

LOL
@zealous edge just imagine trying to order a 3070 on school wifi

[mighty bobcat]

It always depends on the use case

[hollow warren]

doing it at school is my only chance

[zealous edge]

Oof

I was on my phone while I did it

[crude rose]

thank you @stoic island

[little leaf]

My school is still online

[zealous edge]

that might be why

[hollow warren]

my school is fully back

[zealous edge]

mine isnt

[stoic island]

:)

[hollow warren]

and so far we have had no cases

[zealous edge]

its 50/50

but you can choose weather to do online

[hollow warren]

mine used to be thiat^

[zealous edge]

or 50/50

ur choice

u cant go full time tho

Btw

[hollow warren]

i would tell my family to try and order one but they dont even know what im ordering lol

[zealous edge]

Go in gen if u wanna talk

This is off topic

[hollow warren]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/computer-cards-components/video-graphics-cards/abcat0507002.c?acampID=0&id=abcat0507002&irclickid=QZU3n3xBsxyLWPN0MKVSfWfHUkEx7wzJwTqa000&irgwc=1&loc=Narrativ&mpid=376373&qp=gpusv_facet%3DGraphics Processing Unit (GPU)~NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070&ref=198

this is what i have now

the only link

[zealous edge]

Nice

[hollow warren]

does it matter which one

or they do the same thing

[zealous edge]

Honestly

I dont really wanna get a 2080

3080**

not yet.

they are saying amds card is gonna be better.

and hopefully in stock

[little leaf]

My plan to get a 3070 is get one online or if I don't drive down to microcenter

and buy one

[zealous edge]

I dont have any stores like microcentre

[hollow warren]

how many can you add to cart

online

[zealous edge]

thats the problem

I cant get one in person

[hollow warren]

facts^

[zealous edge]

The only store like that is memory express and canada computers

But I legit cant

They only carry it online

Not even a single card in stores

its not like microcenter

sorry i spell centre, like center

im Canadian

[hollow warren]

facts

i dont have a microcenter

[zealous edge]

So only bet is online

and I dont wanna wait like so many more months

to try and build my pc

its either now

Or in the summer :/

I wanna get the rtx 2060 super

Its impossible to pick up a new card in Canada

like a few months after the release

first the scalpers take it

then all the super enthusiasts

then when the next "wave" of cards comes in its like do u even wanna wait that long to get a singular card

[stoic island]

... what do you think the US has

and the EU

[zealous edge]

the us has microcentre

at least u haave a chouce

choice

U can go there

and get one

U just gotta be early

Here u legit cant lol

its only online

unless u travel to another province

[stoic island]

not really

some locations only had like 4 cards

if you want to compete with that

[foggy hazel]

have some actual patience

[stoic island]

go ahead

:P

[zealous edge]

Well at least u can..

[foggy hazel]

get a hobby or something

[zealous edge]

I have a hobby

I got school work to do

tbh

[mighty bobcat]

since I've been commenting here's what I'm looking at for my replacement VR/Home Theater system (Vive pro with wireless - wireless does seem to sometimes hit 1 core harder on the aged 4690k) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dsbsZZ already have the SSD, PSU, CASE, and Cooler

[stoic island]

@zealous edge so waiting 14 hours in a line without any guarantees of a card is preferable to just sitting at home and hitting refresh for a chance?

I don't get that

[zealous edge]

Its not about luck tho

its about when u get there

and what card u waant

[stoic island]

oh so you want to camp out 3 days eh

[zealous edge]

If u get there early

[mighty bobcat]

lol

[zealous edge]

I mean i would

[stoic island]

then go

why didn't you?

[zealous edge]

not

[foggy hazel]

then go do that

[stoic island]

you say you would

why didn't you then?

[zealous edge]

why didn't you?
@stoic island Remember... I live in canada

[stoic island]

mhm

[foggy hazel]

and?

[zealous edge]

No microcentre

[foggy hazel]

and?

[zealous edge]

Naed trust me man there is no place to stand outside and get a card

[stoic island]

and traveling visa is pretty damn easy to get if you're committed

[zealous edge]

they dont sell in stores

[stoic island]

esp for Canadian to US

[foggy hazel]

they do. you are just not aware of it

[zealous edge]

The border is closed lmaoo

[stoic island]

it hasn't been afaik

[zealous edge]

Naed not in my provice

trust me dude

[foggy hazel]

and?

[zealous edge]

I know

[stoic island]

then travel to a new province?

[foggy hazel]

then travel

[zealous edge]

Alright

[foggy hazel]

its not rocket science mate

[stoic island]

then how the hell do people fly in from China :D

[zealous edge]

this is getting out of hand

@stoic island Flying ur allowed

[stoic island]

sooo

[zealous edge]

Im not gonna fly to get a card

[stoic island]

border isn't closed

[rustic sandal]

Is 74 C max load on AIO good?

[stoic island]

lmao

so you could've

but you chose not to

[rustic sandal]

43 idle

[stoic island]

:D

[crude rose]

if a PC is also used for editing and recording, it'd need a larger ssd right?

[stoic island]

it would be good to get another 2tb HDD for saved recordings if you want

[zealous edge]

here is some news for u

[mighty bobcat]

audio or video?

[stoic island]

@zealous edge I mean, fly

[rustic sandal]

Hey Mr 😄

[crude rose]

both

[stoic island]

hi

[rustic sandal]

How is 74 C under max load cinebench?

Under AIO

[stoic island]

cinebench not a great stress test

you know what I prefer >:D

[rustic sandal]

Ah okay

What?

[stoic island]

p95

[zealous edge]

@zealous edge I mean, fly
@stoic island Im not an idiot lol

[foggy hazel]

please keep politics out of this chat @zealous edge it does NOT belong here.

[rustic sandal]

Oh okay

But my fans tend to ramp up on idle at like 43

annoying

[mighty bobcat]

you'd probably want an SSD for ingest and working but if you want mass storage a platter is the most cost effective option

[stoic island]

@zealous edge I just wanted you to accept that you could've, if you were really committed.

which is good nuff for me

:)

[foggy hazel]

@mighty bobcat both ingest and scratch

[rustic sandal]

And I’m worried to change my fan curve in case my temps get high

[mighty bobcat]

even better would be an SSD cache/hybrid system like how intel built the optane stuff

[zealous edge]

@foggy hazel U and @stoic island are telling me to cross the border... Ur legit being kinda dumb

[stoic island]

ok

[foggy hazel]

read again @zealous edge

[stoic island]

fun

[mighty bobcat]

yes thanks been a while for my verbage

[crude rose]

ok thank you, i'll look into that

[stoic island]

right dedicated scratch disk should be good too

[foggy hazel]

@mighty bobcat verbage is just details :) nothing to worry about :)

[zealous edge]

I dont think crossing the border is something that should be discussed here @stoic island

[stoic island]

okai

you do you

[rustic sandal]

my cpu is going from 43 to 51 from opening explorer...

tf

[zealous edge]

and you do you

[stoic island]

I am doing me :)

[zealous edge]

@rustic sandal what cooler

[mighty bobcat]

@foggy hazel I'm a bit pedantic so verbiage matters to me

[zealous edge]

Ir might be becuase of ur fan curve is jumping

[rustic sandal]

360mm aorus liquid cooler

it is

[zealous edge]

You need to make a stable curve

[rustic sandal]

But I’ve never set a fan curve so idk how to fix it effectively

[mighty bobcat]

I'd suggest a re-paste/reseat

[stoic island]

anyways again, it doesn't matter with those temps

[rustic sandal]

Oh okay

[mighty bobcat]

but thats going to be overkill

[foggy hazel]

@mighty bobcat it was clear you knew what was needed. hence why i added that it was just details :) but yes, words matter :)

[stoic island]

@rustic sandal all that matters is steady state p95 smallfft/other great stress test temps

[rustic sandal]

I’ll repaste when I work on it in a couple days

[stoic island]

usually ~5min at most to reach steady state on AIOs

because light loads make the CPU jumpy

[rustic sandal]

Is it prime95

Okay yeah I’m seeing that

[stoic island]

Prime95 smallfft

[zealous edge]

auros liquid cooler is overpriced ngl

[rustic sandal]

So my dabs are jumping as well

Aesthetics for me lol

Also good cooling from what i heard

[stoic island]

oh well, you already have it, good nuff

Arctic freezer ii only cooler I recommend rn

[zealous edge]

@rustic sandal for esthetics is amazin ngl

[rustic sandal]

Windows 64 bit prime95?

[stoic island]

mhm

[zealous edge]

Nzxt kraken x53 gen 2?

[rustic sandal]

Yes, and since I don’t do intense stuff I didn’t need a super good cooler

[stoic island]

https://www.mersenne.org/download/

no

stop it with nzxt

:P

[zealous edge]

Why lol?

nzxt is goated

[stoic island]

Arctic freezer ii op

nzxt is goated in the way of gloated

[zealous edge]

stock fan speed ?

rpm max?

[stoic island]

no and no

Noise normalized testing

you should look at that smh

[rustic sandal]

It says cant download securely

[clear cradle]

no and no
@stoic island what is that link for?

[zealous edge]

this one?

https://www.amazon.ca/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-All-One/dp/B07WP6M7P7/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Arctic+freezer+ii&qid=1603845827&sr=8-1

[stoic island]

this? @rustic sandal

pricing is wrong, but yes.

[clear cradle]

this?
@stoic island yes

[mighty bobcat]

I think the EK240 is right there with the Freezer II in performance

[rustic sandal]

Yes

[stoic island]

iirc it's below

as in freezer ii gets lower temps

[rustic sandal]

Oh nvm

I just said keep

[stoic island]

and freezer ii also does have the interesting vrm fan

[rustic sandal]

1 min download for 9.9 mb lol

love it

Mr, when I’m done w this could you help me set a stable but more on the quiet side fan curve?

Please 🙂

[mighty bobcat]

I think the overall was basic equal but the VRM fan actually did something

[stoic island]

I'm sorry but fan curve is very much something you have to mess with yourself

[rustic sandal]

Okay, np

[stoic island]

quik gn image

[rustic sandal]

Just worried about frying my cpu 🙂

[stoic island]

I'm going to grab the pic from the EK aio review, brb

[stoic island]

yea they didn't have freezer ii 360mm in the charts for that

but I'm pretty sure they did do freezer ii 360mm on one of the vids

[zealous edge]

The kraken is running at a lower rpm

but ik that doesnt matter

much

[stoic island]

@zealous edge please read the top line of that chart

[rustic sandal]

Wait so

Smallest?

Or small

Test

[zealous edge]

O yea

[stoic island]

smallfft

[zealous edge]

I dont care about sound tho

I just care bout cooling

[rustic sandal]

Okay doing it now

Fans very loud for 66 C

Well sort of loud

[stoic island]

Here @mighty bobcat

[rustic sandal]

Granted only 6/9 are on

[stoic island]

found the vid

[rustic sandal]

My exhaust are on bottom and intake on my rad on top

[zealous edge]

Im out

Cya guys

[stoic island]

from freezer ii to ekaio 360mm is within margin of error

[rustic sandal]

I THINK my exhaust are the loud ones but idk for sure

Cya

[mighty bobcat]

aye

[stoic island]

but there's a decent perf thing from ekaio 240 to freezer ii 280

I'd pose the freezer ii as slightly better

[mighty bobcat]

2c

[stoic island]

because of the slight perf and the vrm cooling

[mighty bobcat]

aye

but at that point if asthetics matter then you figure it there

[stoic island]

hey, I'm a perf guy

[mighty bobcat]

aye

damnit one of the 120mm fans in wifes pc is loud AF

[rustic sandal]

So should fans run at pretty high rpm at 67 C

[stoic island]

nah

[rustic sandal]

Or should I lower them in fan curve

Okay so lower a little?

[stoic island]

@rustic sandal check your if your mobo manufacturer has software

[rustic sandal]

They’re probably at like 60% if I had to guess

[stoic island]

because they usually have software that can control fans

[rustic sandal]

It’s gigabyte

[stoic island]

so you can mess with them realtime

(IDK other than dragon center is good... to mess with then uninstall)

[rustic sandal]

Okay I’m monitoring temps in ryzen master

[stoic island]

as in mess with fan speeds

[rustic sandal]

Okay I can just go in bios bc my WiFi is too slow to download stuff and just uninstall it lol

[stoic island]

lol

dragon center is just bad software

that's why I joke with uninstalling

[rustic sandal]

oh haha

Gigabyte bad software but good products

Corsair eh products very good software

[stoic island]

icue

I no like

[rustic sandal]

Rephrase...Corsair confusing products good software

[stoic island]

it is messy

[rustic sandal]

it’s different yes

[stoic island]

I mean

[rustic sandal]

At least rgb fusion is like straight forward

[stoic island]

it screwed over my headset drivers

[rustic sandal]

You shouldn’t have to configure fans

[stoic island]

somehow

[rustic sandal]

Oh

[stoic island]

and then crashed my PC

[rustic sandal]

Ima order a commander pro

To make my life easier

[stoic island]

and then shadowplay started recording icue window instead of siege

so I hate icue

:P

[rustic sandal]

It’s annoying lol

Sometimes it doesn’t work at all for me

[stoic island]

mhm

it didn't even work for what I wanted to do

which was mess with headphone settings

[rustic sandal]

So should I get a commander pro for 6 LL120s

[stoic island]

can't tell ya about rgb fans

[rustic sandal]

Wait can you cross match fans with that?

Oh okay

[stoic island]

I'm a nf-a12x25 for everything guy

[rustic sandal]

Gotcha

[stoic island]

and arctic p12 when budget can't be spared

[rustic sandal]

How long does P95 run

[stoic island]

it runs until you stop it

[rustic sandal]

it’s been a few mins of steady 67.5 at 86%

PPT

Okay so I can stop now and reset my fan curve

[stoic island]

sure

[rustic sandal]

Uhhh how do I stop it lol

[stoic island]

test

stop

stop all workers

[rustic sandal]

got it

and exit

now running 42 idle

[rustic sandal]

tysm Mr

helped a ton

[stoic island]

:)

[rustic sandal]

Time to set fan curve

[stoic island]

good luck

[rustic sandal]

would like 20% at 50 C be safe...or no

[stoic island]

it's a good bit of trial and error

sure why not

[rustic sandal]

okay then ramp up shortly thereafter?

[stoic island]

remember, if the fan speed is "too low" for the temp, temp will just go up

[rustic sandal]

right

[stoic island]

so there's going to be no issues with "safe" fan speed at temps :)

[rustic sandal]

welll...then temps will rise

[stoic island]

mhm

exactly

[clear cradle]

hey guys, if i update my bios with new update then in time my CMOS battery drain and i replace it, will the MOBO reset to previous Bios or stay with last Bios Update??

[rustic sandal]

but that’s not good lol

what ya think of 0,10 30,20 55,40 65,60, 80,100

C/%

[earnest olive]

is there any point in assigning values to 0 and 30

[wheat coral]

nope

[rustic sandal]

They’re quiet so I just set it to try and keep it at 0/30

[stoic island]

@clear cradle clearing cmos (letting battery drain) doesn't reset bios version, it only resets bios settings

[earnest olive]

doing this right now

[rustic sandal]

how is it? under aio or fan?

[earnest olive]

oh this is case fans

[clear cradle]

@clear cradle clearing cmos (letting battery drain) doesn't reset bios version, it only resets bios settings
@stoic island ok, thanks for the answer...

[stoic island]

for example, say you just updated from bios update 2.0 to 3.0, after you clear cmos, your settings will be gone, but you would still be on bios update 3.0

[rustic sandal]

I know so are mine

[earnest olive]

my cpu fan doesn't go under about 650 rpm

[rustic sandal]

they’re my exhaust

[earnest olive]

even if i set it to 0 it'll run at 650

you should really just tune it to your specific fans though

[rustic sandal]

Oh okay

[clear cradle]

for example, say you just updated from bios update 2.0 to 3.0, after you clear cmos, your settings will be gone, but you would still be on bios update 3.0
@stoic island ok, nice....

[stoic island]

:)

[earnest olive]

my front intakes are audible as long as they're on, but my back exhaust is inaudible at 50%

so i let back exhaust run at 50% and front intakes off most of the time

every fan is different

[rustic sandal]

my intake are in my aio and exhaust are on bottom of O11. Middle 3 aren’t on atm because I need splitters and/or my commander pro to come in

[crude rose]

what additional storage drives should I get to store recordings?

[clear cradle]

what additional storage drives should I get to store recordings?
@crude rose i used HDD

[stoic island]

@crude rose to store, HDD is nice mass storage

for editing off of, SSD.

[crude rose]

ok

1 TB should be more than enough?

[stoic island]

2tb hdd is just 50$

dats why they're nice mass storage

[clear cradle]

ok
@crude rose 2GB

i mean TB

[stoic island]

(Barracuda 2tb)

[rustic sandal]

Also the packaging is super cool

[stoic island]

They're slow, but mass storage

[rustic sandal]

Big bubbly thing haha

[crude rose]

why does a Seagate Desktop HDD store 4 TB and is only $89, isnt that a lot?

[stoic island]

oh yea I got it too

@crude rose it's good price, but that's 5400rpm

bit slower than the barracuda compute 2tb with da 7200rpm

for mass storage it doesn't really matter with the bit of speed

I don't even really know the exacts on 5400rpm vs 7200rpm speeds

[crude rose]

storage can have speeds?

[stoic island]

uhh

all of them have speeds

like the NVMe SSD, MP34, is rated for 3000mb/s read, 2700mb/s write

HDDs are usually around more like 50 afaik

[clear cradle]

i used SSD for System and Programs, and HDD for Storage

[stoic island]

So do I

all I really keep on HDD is my recordings

and some games I don't play too often, like BL3

[clear cradle]

SSD like Fast Car and HDD like Container Truck 😆

[stoic island]

there's a fun pic of a phat cat vs small cat for ssd vs hdd lol