building-and-recc-chat

[slim escarp]

I mean Right now I’m a console player so if the performance is over 60 FPS then it’ll feel smooth to me

Lol

[desert gulch]

Lol

[jagged ember]

It'll be over 60fps depending on your graphics settings

[desert gulch]

Then get next gen console

They can do over 60 fps

[jagged ember]

Wow, what an achievement

[slim escarp]

No I don’t like consoles restrictions and the limit of games

[jagged ember]

Finally gaming at 60fps

[desert gulch]

Novey what monitor you got?

A 75 Hz?

[slim escarp]

1080p 144hz

[desert gulch]

Nice

[jagged ember]

Oh god that ssd

[desert gulch]

Yeah your gonna not be on max settings with 144fps with 1650

[jagged ember]

I'm not sure if that's good, anyone check that already?

[desert gulch]

Idk

Id go with sonething better

But thats imo

[jagged ember]

Sounds like a dramless ssd

[desert gulch]

Yes

Sounds like ssd slower than hard drive lol

[slim escarp]

Well the main games I’ll be playing is warzone csgo rust and tf2 and I don’t plan on hitting much over 60 FPS on rust anyways

What ssd

[jagged ember]

Yeesh

[desert gulch]

The one on yo list

[jagged ember]

It's not on ssd master list

[desert gulch]

Wow

Thats horrible

[jagged ember]

Wait it's lagging

[desert gulch]

O

[jagged ember]

Ooo no it is

[desert gulch]

What speeds is it?

[jagged ember]

No dram

[slim escarp]

Oh idk what ssd I’m getting I just put that because it was 500gb my cousin has an extra because he flips computers and he is giving me it for 10 dollars

I can ask him what one it is

[jagged ember]

515/490

[desert gulch]

Wow

[jagged ember]

Oh that's terrible

[desert gulch]

Not great

Yeah

Like hdd speeds lmao

[jagged ember]

It's literally a sata drive too

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[jagged ember]

Mp34, sx8200 pro or sn750

Take whatever is cheaper

[slim escarp]

He said it was a kingston is that bad or good

[desert gulch]

Yes

Not the best

[slim escarp]

Is it decent

[desert gulch]

Depends on model

[jagged ember]

Mp34, sx8200 pro or sn750

Pls

[desert gulch]

Yes

[slim escarp]

Q500 that’s the model

[desert gulch]

Please

O

[slim escarp]

That bad

[jagged ember]

Check those out

They're good

Especially for the price

[slim escarp]

What

[desert gulch]

Wideus its 500/450

[jagged ember]

Mp34, sx8200 pro or sn750

[desert gulch]

So not good at all

Windows gonna be taking years ti boot lol

[jagged ember]

Buy the cheapest one you find out of the three I listed

[desert gulch]

Yes

Please

[jagged ember]

Dramless means your ssd will slow down as you fill it up

[slim escarp]

How are you figuring out these speeds

[jagged ember]

I don't think you want that lol

Ssd master list in #storage-devices

[slim escarp]

How far do I scroll up

[jagged ember]

Top

Link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UewkGqEnq3Zp9jJgV9zDH05W8x8RIuFebobOtURysWA/edit#gid=0

Here

I'll just ease your suffering

It's in the pins tho

Check anytime you need

[slim escarp]

Is the Samsung 860 eco good

Evo

@jagged ember

[jagged ember]

Overpriced

As always

It's good though

[slim escarp]

Really 64 dolllars for 500gb is overpriced

[jagged ember]

I sent you three recommendations

Go check those too

Actually tho, I didn't check pricing at all

I tend not to do that for some reason

That's not bad

[slim escarp]

Does my mobo have a spot for a m.2

[jagged ember]

It's got one

These are the kinda things I keep tabs on when buying hardware tho

[desert gulch]

ye

64 dollars for 500gb is good for a fast m.2 nvme

[proven knot]

anyone know black 3000 speed ram for arond 80-90 aud

[little osprey]

welp guys

imma ded myseslf

[desert gulch]

y

[gritty zenith]

not worth

rtx 3080 aint that valuable

[tender solar]

What's the best 1660 Ti?

[vague maple]

they all are very similar

msi/asus usually make the most powerful ones

[tender solar]

Can that 1660 Ti power a 144 hz monitor? 1080p

[vague maple]

on most games yes

you might have to tune down the settings on some though

[tender solar]

like how do you consider a bad gpu? @vague maple

[vague maple]

like how do you consider a bad gpu? @vague maple
@tender solar wdym?

[tender solar]

like what to avoid

[vague maple]

@waxen skiff send me your pcpartpicker link, ill change some stuff

[tender solar]

like what to avoid
@tender solar @vague maple

[vague maple]

um

there's nothing to inherently avoid

[tender solar]

@vague maple what's your build btw?

[vague maple]

i mean you would want to avoid the 2080 and their ti and super counterparts, because the 3000 series blow them out of the water

but every gu is good at a certain budget

[vital warren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xpsq4d

[vague maple]

avoid the 1650 as well

[vital warren]

here's what i'd build with a 3080

[crude rose]

I only know the bare minimum about parts required in a PC, there's so many brands and it's pretty expensive. jesus

[vital warren]

well

i'd personally change a few ish things but its a start

[vague maple]

@vague maple what's your build btw?
@tender solar my build is crap lol, i'm going to build a new one pretty soon

that's a great build @vital warren

personally i would get a fully modular psu though

and he said he wanted to build in the o11 dynamic case

[vital warren]

o11 case is poop

[vague maple]

no

u

o11 is amazing, just not amazing value

no, dwella's build is more than good enough

[vital warren]

o11 is nice if you want something to look at

[vague maple]

good airflow as well, and a great case for custom loops

but the reason you stated is pretty much the biggest one lol

[vital warren]

good airflow if you add like a trillion fans

[vague maple]

exactly

[vital warren]

td500 mesh is cheaper and has 3 preinstalled

rgb

[vague maple]

and they all look so pretty

[vital warren]

that for me is a no brainer choice

[vague maple]

mhmm

lian li lancool as wlel

well

[vital warren]

or like a phanteks p400/p500

[vague maple]

three prreinstalled fans

[vital warren]

whatever works

[vague maple]

yeah

[vital warren]

that too

[vague maple]

budget cases are just insane rn

so much value

NZXT cases have bad airflow

[vital warren]

eh it depends

idk anything about the h710i

look up a in depth review

you want something with decent airflow at least

some sort of it

[vague maple]

nah it's pretty up the same thing as their h510i comrades

plus it's terrible value

the masterbox case looks sick as well, idk why you aren't considering it lol @waxen skiff

the thing is with building in a lian li o11 dynamic is that you have pay a very big premium

[tender solar]

@vague maple https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JnRQZZ can you add some parts my budget is $1000

[crude rose]

Is there a major different between a SeaSonic FOCUS 750W 80+ and a Cooler Master 750w? because the Sea Sonic is a little bit more expensive, but that might be because of the seller.

[vital warren]

seasonic is probably the more reliable one

exact model?

[tender solar]

@vital warren can you check my build

[vital warren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LqzV68 heres a 1k list i had on hand

[vague maple]

@vague maple https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JnRQZZ can you add some parts my budget is $1000
@tender solar sure lemme take a look at it

[tender solar]

@vague maple mind you if my build looks bad, I'm living in the Philippines and only those parts are available

[vague maple]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8fT8Yg here's what i would change

i swapped out the ssd for a nvme ssd that's also cheaper and has the same storage

and i got you a b550 board

@tender solar

[crude rose]

is there a reason why the GPU(?) was switched out with a GTX 1650?

[vague maple]

that's not your build

that's @tender solar

[tender solar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8fT8Yg here's what i would change
@vague maple I already have the b450 one can you add some gpu and psu for that?

[crude rose]

I know I just wanted to know

[vague maple]

ok

[tender solar]

I notived that its nvme m.2

[vague maple]

i didn't put in the 1650 super nomic

if you already have that b450 board

then just swap out the samsung evo for a crucial p1 500 gig

[tender solar]

@vague maple what's your recommended gpu for mine?

[ripe wedge]

3090

[tender solar]

I would like to have a 144hz 1080p for mine

[vague maple]

hm

depends on how much money you can spend on the gpu

[tender solar]

I mean on a 1000$ budget

[vague maple]

you can fit a 3070 in a 1000 dollar budget

[tender solar]

on my current build

[vague maple]

but you'll be able to get much more than 144hz 1080p

oik

ill add the case and psu

see how much money you have left

and also

do you want a microatx case

or an atx case

@tender solar

[tender solar]

m atx

[vague maple]

ok

[tender solar]

adding a asus 3070 exceeded my budget lmao

[vague maple]

are you willing to a buy a used gpu

rip lol

[tender solar]

uhm used gpu in the philippines are so corruptively high

[vague maple]

ok then nvm

[tender solar]

hahahaha maybe new?

[vague maple]

ok

[tender solar]

like mid range only for gaming

[vague maple]

ok

what do you need 32 gigs for?

[next kestrel]

everyone adding 3070 to their builds 😦

[vague maple]

you can get a faster 16 gig kit for cheaper

[next kestrel]

thinking they can beat the bots

[tender solar]

what do you need 32 gigs for?
@vague maple 8x2 only mb

[next kestrel]

[tender solar]

@next kestrel how lucky you have a 1080 😦

[next kestrel]

evga b-stock

clutch

got it for 230$

[desert gulch]

wow nice

thats hecka deal

[tender solar]

I would sit on that for dayz haha

[next kestrel]

i think during 3080 craze

[tender solar]

@vague maple are you arranging it?

[next kestrel]

evga just let go a bunch of older cards

for cheap

[desert gulch]

wow

are they still?

[tender solar]

i think during 3080 craze
@next kestrel where are you from? Can I buy your gpu when you upgrade?

[next kestrel]

once in a hwile yeah

no selling

evga b-stock on midweek madness

[vague maple]

@vague maple are you arranging it?
@tender solar yeah

i'm trying to squeeze in some extra performance

it's difficult though lol

[tender solar]

it's difficult though lol
@vague maple Thank you so much

[vague maple]

np

wait you already have the board right?

the motherboard

so i'm removing it from the price so i don't have 100 dollars going to a motherboard that you already have

[tender solar]

okay

[vague maple]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9tvTBc here

you go

i managed to fit in a rtx 3070 and i changed your ram to a 16 gig kit but it's faster. You also get an amazing value mATX case with 2 case fans that come with it, maybe 3 and a PSU that's 750 watts.

[desert gulch]

how good is that psu?

what tier is it?

[vague maple]

that's what i'm concerned about

send me the tier list pls

[desert gulch]

on mobile

look up ltt psu tier list

[vague maple]

ok

isn't on the list

[desert gulch]

o

u sure?

[vague maple]

yeah

can't find thermaltake bx1 anywhere

[tender solar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ys93bh

under 1k

[vague maple]

@tender solar do you really want to sacrifice that much gpu performance just so you can get it 40 dollars under?

[gritty zenith]

you can literally get a 2060 for $300 anyway

thats a #ripoff

[winter iris]

which better for upcoming upgrades x570 or B550 for AMD CPUs ?

[gritty zenith]

b550 is great value

i would suggest it personally bc from what i have seen most b550 boards are packed with just as many features as x570 boards for way less

[winter iris]

hm..

with cheaper price of x570

right ?

[gritty zenith]

typically

depends on numerous factors

for instance a mitx b550 can cost more than an matx x570

[winter iris]

wow

[gritty zenith]

yeah

size matters when it comes to tech

unfortunately

gotta fork over more money if you like it small

[winter iris]

like normal ATX ?

[gritty zenith]

no

micro atx

[winter iris]

i dont like micro stufs tbh

[gritty zenith]

regular atx typically are the beast boards and pack a ton of stuff

micro atx is budget size

mini itx is SFF enthusiast type stuff that potentially cost more than both

brand/model play into price too, as well as the comms on the board, those are just what i have seen affect price the most

[winter iris]

aha

[gritty zenith]

for instance, there is a mini itx b550 board for like $120, but to get one with wifi 6 would cost $190

[winter iris]

but in overall b550 value with decent price

[gritty zenith]

generally

[winter iris]

Okay

thanks for advice and info man

i will dig deeper in this

[gritty zenith]

unless you're gonna run a 16 core, 3080, 64gb ram monster with 2 nvme m.2 ssds, i wouldn't get an x570

just my personal opinion

[winter iris]

i already have 64gigs ram on b450 and i feel sad

[gritty zenith]

lolol

just gotta look around, you will find what you are looking for

[little osprey]

anybody know if 2700x to new ryzen would make a difference if I'll be getting a 3090?

[gritty zenith]

there are tons of filters to play with on pcpartpicker

YES

[little osprey]

especially for blender

[gritty zenith]

3090 is bottlenecked by just about every cpu, so a 5600x or 5950x is your best bet

[little osprey]

OOF

[gritty zenith]

especially with the benchmark leaks that rose up

the 5600x is a monster (supposedly)

[winter iris]

@gritty zenith but for something like that what do u thing is good for 46 gigs ram with future 3060 with r5 3600 what do u think ?

which mobo gonna be better

[gritty zenith]

depends, bc for future proofing you might want to go x570 if you plan on upgrading to really high end stuff, but if you're gonna continue hovering over mid range then b550 gotchu

[winter iris]

got u

thanks !

[gritty zenith]

anytime

[little osprey]

i guess 5800x would be my upgrade

[gritty zenith]

sounds good

amd is totally dominating right now

which is both awesome and scary

if they completely take over the market, they will be even more expensive than intel/nvidia

lol

[little osprey]

I might also go full amd if they do happen to have a dlss competitior

[gritty zenith]

i would love to go full amd

[little osprey]

I really hope retailers listen to amd for the launch

[gritty zenith]

ye

[little osprey]

dont wanna pull a leather jacket man

[vague maple]

amd is totally dominating right now
@gritty zenith not really

intel still has a much higher share in cpus than amd

plus they've invested into a lot more stuff outside of gaming and work cpus

and nvidia has always dominated the gpu market

[tender solar]

@tender solar do you really want to sacrifice that much gpu performance just so you can get it 40 dollars under?
@vague maple The availability of 3070 in my country is very limited

[vague maple]

i see

[tender solar]

i see
@vague maple This is my very first gaming build should I wait for the release of the 3070

[vague maple]

you should and you should try to get it

it has higher performance than a 2080ti

[tender solar]

I wish by 2021 it's already available

[vague maple]

it probably will be

by january/february, you can definitely order it easily

[tender solar]

Will I be able to get it for retail price?

[vague maple]

no, you'll probably have to pay 550-600 for it

but the performance value is insane

and nvidia is probably going to release the 3060 and 3060 ti

for 400-450

[desert gulch]

3060 isnt confirmed lol

[tender solar]

I heard that too

[desert gulch]

Its not confirmed iirc

[tender solar]

IIRC?

[desert gulch]

If I remember correctly

[tender solar]

ohhh I think they will cause the market for the 70,80,90 is for enthusiasts

[desert gulch]

Not confirmed

Still

[tender solar]

maybe they will put out a mid range one

[desert gulch]

Possible

[tender solar]

yes yes

[desert gulch]

Hopefully not

Amd gang

We need amd to dominate over nvidia

[tender solar]

RDNA 2

[crude rose]

I just made a really scuffed pc parts list based off of multiple videos I've watched since I don't know much about PC parts. Can someone take a look at it and suggest changes? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qv3q4d

[vague maple]

sure

[crude rose]

There's some compatibility notes but I don't really know what I'd have to do to fix them

[vague maple]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8NzBbh here you go

[crude rose]

thank you

[vague maple]

np

wait i didn't remove the second cooler

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tzPMZZ

this is the correct one

[crude rose]

thank you very much, I knew there'd be a lot wrong with my list

[supple sigil]

Was hoping someone could take a look at my potential build and give some tips

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y6B8Yg

I have the cooler master h500 for the handle since I’d probably be moving the pc around but still wanted a mid tower

[atomic epoch]

if someone wants to look at mine while you're at it and do the same it would be much appreciated https://newegg.io/10fcd99

going all out for a gaming monster

[vague maple]

if you're going all out

get a rtx 3090 instead of a 2080ti

@atomic epoch

also that ssd isn't very fast compared to nvme drives

get a sabrent rocket 4.0 2 TB

or a 980 pro

[atomic epoch]

awesome thanks for the suggestions!

[vague maple]

np

also if you have extra money to spare, you could get multiple monitors

[atomic epoch]

yeah I have been considering that too

[vague maple]

you have a 49 inch for extreme ultrawide, so i would suggest getting a asus rog pg259qn for 360 hertz 1080p, a hp omen x 27 for 1440p 240 hertz, an asus rog swift pg27uq for 4k gaming and a LG 38GL950G for more moderate ultrawide gaming

goddamn i hate monitor names

@atomic epoch here you go

[atomic epoch]

awesome definitely looking at those now

[vague maple]

ok

[atomic epoch]

any motherboard recommendations or is that one good?

[crude rose]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tzPMZZ Is this build good for stuff like streaming and recording? I'm hoping I could build a pc that can record on OBS and maybe play games on high settings without significant frame drops

[woeful phoenix]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tzPMZZ Is this build good for stuff like streaming and recording? I'm hoping I could build a pc that can record on OBS and maybe play games on high settings without significant frame drops
@crude rose thats overkill from what youre saying. You can stream via the gpu ( new nvenc )

[crude rose]

what do you mean?

[woeful phoenix]

Theres an option to encode with the gpu to stream instead of the cpu

[crude rose]

oh okay

thank you

but what do you mean by overkill? which part?

[atomic epoch]

Here's the updated build after RnAndGn helped me out https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wqVhy4

gonna look for that 3090, couldnt find it on the website using my phone

[crude rose]

5k jesus lol

are you building a "nAsA cOmPuTeR"

[cunning jolt]

When building a pc, do the needed wires come with the parts or do u purchase separately

?

[waxen swan]

i have just build my first pc roughly seven months ago and am thinking of upgrading it. the specs are: AMD Ryzen 5 3400g, Asrock b450m pro 4, 16gb ram, 500gb ssd, wifi card, 550 watt psu. I am thinking of getting a rtx 2060 but im not sure if it will

work

[cunning jolt]

Check on pc part picker to see if the parts are compatible

And make sure you have the clearance so you have space for the 2060

[waxen swan]

my cpu has intergrated

i will check thanks

[atomic epoch]

I wanna build a mega rig that could last like 5 or 6 years

[woeful phoenix]

@vague maple wtf are you recommending bro

[vague maple]

?

[woeful phoenix]

@atomic epoch if this isnt a joke, seriosuly dont go for that. Its so wrong, not just you can get something better for less, compatibility issues

i have just build my first pc roughly seven months ago and am thinking of upgrading it. the specs are: AMD Ryzen 5 3400g, Asrock b450m pro 4, 16gb ram, 500gb ssd, wifi card, 550 watt psu. I am thinking of getting a rtx 2060 but im not sure if it will
@waxen swan it will work but 3400g is weak

@vague maple explain the motherboard bro

[atomic epoch]

dang that bad lol?

[crude rose]

1000 dollar mother board, jesus

[woeful phoenix]

No

Its not that

Its a waterforce

You need a watercool system, pump etc. Not an aio

[waxen swan]

@vague maple explain the motherboard bro
@woeful phoenix wdym

[crude rose]

oh, i wouldn't know about that. I just know that it's expensive at this point in my knowledge of PCs

[woeful phoenix]

Its not that its expensive

[waxen swan]

@waxen swan it will work but 3400g is weak
@woeful phoenix what gpu sould i go for instead then

[woeful phoenix]

He cant build it with the parts he got

[crude rose]

it's incompatible?

[atomic epoch]

what would you do to fix it?

[woeful phoenix]

@woeful phoenix what gpu sould i go for instead then
@waxen swan see prices to change cpu and gpu together, wait for 3070 to drop so prices on gpus drop

[waxen swan]

what about the 3060?

[woeful phoenix]

what would you do to fix it?
@atomic epoch ask for another guy, he clearly knows fck all

[atomic epoch]

um lol

[woeful phoenix]

what would you do to fix it?
@atomic epoch im at work rn cant help you, just get a normal z490 if you really want to go with a intel. If you want wait till the ryzen 5 5600x that is being said to beat the i9 for quite a bit for the price difference

[crude rose]

can you look at my parts list then? i really don't want to build a bad PC for my first time

[woeful phoenix]

Dm it

[atomic epoch]

I'll probably wait for the ryzen

[woeful phoenix]

Both of you dm

I will help later tho unless its easy

[austere condor]

your parts list isnt "bad" its a top of the line gaming PC. the problem is its incredibly over priced for the performance you'd get out of it.

when do you actually plan on building this? @crude rose

[woeful phoenix]

+++

[crude rose]

I'm planning on building it by the end of this year maybe? or at the beginning of next year

[woeful phoenix]

Okay cool.

[austere condor]

so to start, any hardware recommendations you get, become out of date after 2 weeks

[woeful phoenix]

@austere condor look at the partpicker link puffpuffpass send above, a guy helped him

[austere condor]

i have it open right now

[vague maple]

sorry

lmao

i was in a hurry when i made that build

@crude rose send me your list again

ill redo it

[woeful phoenix]

You did both?

His and puffpuffpass?

[vague maple]

who?

[woeful phoenix]

@atomic epoch

[vague maple]

the guy who wanted the everything is the absolute best build?

[austere condor]

@crude rose so what do you actually want to get out of this system. is it a gaming PC?

[crude rose]

streaming / gaming mostly

[austere condor]

whats your budget

[vague maple]

i didn't do his build, i just said why do you have a 2080ti, get a 3090 if you're willing to spend that much moneyu

[crude rose]

1500-2000

[vague maple]

and i gave him some monitor recommendations

ok ill work on your build nomic

dw i wont screw it up this time lmao

[atomic epoch]

Mine's for gaming, budget is let's say $7,000

[woeful phoenix]

Send me a dm dude

You dont need 7k pc

[vague maple]

@crude rose when do you want to build this pc?

[austere condor]

keep it out of DM's

[vague maple]

before or after the 5000 series release

[crude rose]

when's the release?

[vague maple]

uh

i think in a week or so? im not sure

don't quote me on that

and do you also need peripherals/displays as part of the budget?

[crude rose]

I'll probably be able to build this after then

[vague maple]

ok

[crude rose]

no

[vague maple]

any color scheme and do you want rgb?

and what build size? atx, microatx or eatx or itx

atx is the normal size

microatx and itx are smaller and eatx is bigger but more expensive

[crude rose]

RGB would be cool but if it'd cost more then I'd give that up. But my room's colorscheme is more white

ATX

[vague maple]

ok i'll build you a really nice white setupo

is that fine?

[crude rose]

yes

[vague maple]

ok

[crude rose]

thank you

[vague maple]

np

do you need wifi?

on your motherboard

[crude rose]

what do you mean?

[vague maple]

most motherboards have ethernet connections only, but for a few extra bucks, you can get wireless connection capabilities as well

[slim escarp]

Are you using wifi or Ethernet

[austere condor]

@crude rose https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rd2pGq

for a top of the line gaming PC, there's really no point in spending more money than this

[crude rose]

wifi

[austere condor]

same for you @atomic epoch

[vague maple]

ok

[austere condor]

switched the board to one with wifi

[crude rose]

thank you

[austere condor]

but for $1500-$2000, you really cant do better for gaming performance

anything more than that is massive diminishing returns

would end up spending thousands more for single digit % increases

[atomic epoch]

hmm

[austere condor]

from there, if you want a more fancy RGB system, you can expand on it

but for a pure gaming performance machine

thats it

[atomic epoch]

really

[austere condor]

yup

[vague maple]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7GFcYg here you go

you have a balanced build with white parts and rgb

if you need the price to be lower, you can grab only 1 kit of the ram instead of 2

@crude rose

is that better @woeful phoenix ?

and storage can easily be upgraded down the road

[atomic epoch]

intresting

[crude rose]

i'd be very confused if I didn't have people who knows more, thank you

[vague maple]

np dude

[austere condor]

since there's no real data out about Ryzen 5000 CPU's, its very difficult to recommend them

if you plan on building later this year, wait for reviews

[vague maple]

that's also what i'm thinking

mhmm

@crude rose first make sure to read reviews on the 5800X before buying alright?

we don't yet know if it's worth the cash

[atomic epoch]

Yeah I have some ti.e before I actually build it

[crude rose]

ok

[austere condor]

AMD lied that the 3700x was a 5ghz all core monster crushing the 9900k in everything before its release

so

[vague maple]

wait i'm an idiot

[austere condor]

i dont expect anything better for Ryzen 5000

[vague maple]

the 5800X costs 450 dollars

not 550

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PMH6sX here you go

now it's comfortably under budget

you can pick up a 2 TB Seagate Barracude Hard Drive for 50 dollars if you feel that you need more storage

is my build fine @austere condor ?

Definitely could get a bit better performance, but I decided to balance looks and performance

since he wanted a white rgb build

[austere condor]

unknown performance of the CPU, expensive AIO thats beat by a 240mm for 2/3rds the price, two different ram kits is a poor recommendation. unkown PSU

[vague maple]

how are the ram kits different?

and the arctic aio is incredibly crap looking

forgot to change the psu

[austere condor]

Can I mix different brands and speeds of ram?
Yes, but there are some drawbacks to it, and other complications that can come up. Companies do not recommend mixing two seperate kits of ram, even if they are the same model and same speed, as they have not been tested and validated to run at the advertised speeds together. As an example, let's say you have a 2x8GB kit of G.skill Trident Z DDR4-3200. And you want to upgrade to 32GB of ram, and purchase the exact same kit from G.skill again. These two kits have not been tested to work together at 3200mhz, so you might not be able to run them together in a 4x8GB configuration at 3200mhz speeds. Your mileage may vary on this, but if you want to run ram on their advertised XMP profile speeds, it’s recommended to buy them in a kit, and not separately.

[vague maple]

ah

[little osprey]

also

itll be cheaper

doing 2x16gb

[vague maple]

yeah i know

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ppszYg well here's the psu change

[wary geode]

That’s the first time I saw demmonit in here

[outer dove]

best pc for 500$ - 600$ ?

[wary geode]

Exotic I’d wait for someone named mr1111 he makes good list I make good for used parts

[outer dove]

cool

[wary geode]

And mention that you want it taxed and mention if you have a Mirco center near you

[outer dove]

unfortunately no

[haughty swan]

Hi, I wanted to know what you guys think about this config. It is my first build so I want to confirm im not doing any mistakes. https://secure.newegg.ca/wishlist/pd/37359311

[crude rose]

I might have made the list bad. I tried to Frankenstein together the two lists https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pGszYg

[vague maple]

nah, the build was fine, I just upgraded your RAM to 3600 CL16 and got you a more well-known, reliable PSU @crude rose

[crude rose]

there was only 2 changes?

[vague maple]

yeah

everything else seemed good to me

[crude rose]

that upped the price by almost $1000

[vague maple]

you could pop in a faster nvme ssd if you wanted, but that's gonna give you diminishing returns

no?

[crude rose]

around 800 i think?

not 1000

[vague maple]

the price change is like 60

around 800 for what?

i didn't increase the budget by 800 dollars lmao

i spent an extra 60 dollars to get you a better psu and ram

[crude rose]

in this link, the cooler, mother board,memory, storage, and power supply changed

[vague maple]

what?

wtf

[crude rose]

the first one was $959 so the second link is almost $1000 dollars more somehow

[vague maple]

lemme send you the link again

i didn't change any of that stuff lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f6vgwz

here you go

[crude rose]

thank you

but do I really need a 850 W power supply?

[vague maple]

well no

you could go with 750 easily

i just chose 850w because then you can chuck it into a new build easily

or upgrade your parts without worry

but swap out the psu for a corsair rm 2019 if you want 750 watts instead

[crude rose]

ok

[arctic jungle]

helo children

what's the pcpp?

show ME!

[vague maple]

pcpartpicker

its a website

[arctic jungle]

no

i'm asking what is it

like

the list

gib the list

xD

@vague maple

[vague maple]

oh lmao

which lsit?

[arctic jungle]

-_-

[vague maple]

do you want me to make you a list or

[arctic jungle]

of the build

[vague maple]

boi

which

build

nomic's build?

[arctic jungle]

the one u just made with @crude rose ?

i can try editing it

[vague maple]

ok

[arctic jungle]

budget and use?

@vague maple

[vague maple]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t6Mq4d here you go

[arctic jungle]

i'm assuming gaming

[vague maple]

maximum of 2k

and gaming

but he doesn't want to spend 2k

and i already told him about his storage options if he wants more/faster storage

[devout field]

bruh

[vague maple]

?

[arctic jungle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LMnWDc

2k build

no point getting 32 gb of ram for gaming

get 16 gb of high speed stuff

and 10900k best gaming cpu

[vague maple]

3600 CL16 is pretty "high speed" lmao

[arctic jungle]

4400 cl16 is higher speed

[vague maple]

he's a newer builder

[arctic jungle]

??

so

[vague maple]

i'd like to see him troubleshoot when xmp crashes with such a high ram speed

[crude rose]

everytime the list has been edited, it keeps getting more expensive

[arctic jungle]

that's what we're here for

kekw

gaming is expensive

i'll make it a lil bit cheaper

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YbvHht

[vague maple]

yeah but now you're getting diminishing returns

[arctic jungle]

how's that

[vague maple]

he's never going to need 4400MHz

or a 10900k, the 3700X is plenty good enough

[arctic jungle]

you don't need 32 gb of ram either 🙄

[crude rose]

LGA1200 Motherboards are for intel cpu?

[vague maple]

mhmm

[arctic jungle]

@crude rose yes

intel 10th gen

[vague maple]

if you get amd though, your motherboard will support the newer gen cpus

if its a b55a

b550

or x570

[arctic jungle]

@vague maple that's false

[vague maple]

that's not the case with intel i believe?

how is it false

[arctic jungle]

the next amd chipset won't use AM4

[vague maple]

oh i forgot to tell you

he's going to be streaming as well

[arctic jungle]

so??

[vague maple]

the 32 gigs could come in handy for that

[arctic jungle]

...

[vague maple]

and im talking about ryzen 5000

not 6000 or 10000 or whatever

[arctic jungle]

then why not get ryzen 5000 now

comes out in 3 days :)

[vague maple]

i know 32 gigs isn't necessary for streaming

because i listed a 5800x and @austere condor flamed me for putting it in lmao

i mean to be fair

his second build is pretty good

the one with a 10700k and 4400Mhz

[arctic jungle]

??

he was right to flame you

gl getting a 4th gen cpu within the next 3 months

[vague maple]

that is true

he said he's going to build in a couple of months though

not in the next few weeks

[arctic jungle]

then why

[vague maple]

why what?

[arctic jungle]

are you making a list now?!

[vague maple]

idk he asked me to and i listed the only future part that is actually useful

[arctic jungle]

don't make a list if you aren't buying parts within a few weeks

[vague maple]

we already warned him about that

he was fine with it though

lmao

[arctic jungle]

it's not abt being fine with it...

ur litterally going to have to remake the list

like-

waste of time smh

[vague maple]

mhmm

[austere condor]

still dont see a reason why you need to spend more for a gaming PC

like the list i sent earlier

@crude rose

[vague maple]

@austere condor can you help me troubleshoot my icue software?

[austere condor]

considering icue is malware?

yeah

uninstall it

[vague maple]

lmao

[austere condor]

lol

[crude rose]

What does "The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled." mean?

[vague maple]

how do i control my corsair keyboard's rgb then?

What does "The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled." mean?
@crude rose it doesn't mean anything to you

basically

a sata 6.0 gb is a form of ssd, there are 2 major forms of ssds

[stoic island]

what

[crude rose]

so it shouldn't matter and I don't have to switch things out?

[vague maple]

NVME and SATA 6.0 GB

no

[stoic island]

SATA III 6gb/s is a protocol

it's not just a SSD

[vague maple]

oh but that's not what the issue is referring to

[stoic island]

:P

[vague maple]

let me continue gosh darn it

so anyways @crude rose

you know how there are slots on the motherboard for your nvme ssds?

you might have heard them be called a m.2 slot?

[stoic island]

It means you can either have 2 M.2 SSDs and 4 SATA drives, or 1 M.2 SSD and 6 SATA drives >:)

[crude rose]

yes

[vague maple]

ok

[crude rose]

where you have to push it down and screw it in?

[austere condor]

it means that one of your sata port on your motherboard, (you typically have 6-8 of them) will be disabled, since the bandwidth for it is being used for the M.2 SSD

[vague maple]

so there are these larger slots, for sata ssds, because they are bigger basically

yeah, thats the one nomic

so most motherboards have 6-8 of them, and one of them will be disabled if you use a m.2 slot

but that information is useless to you in this build because you are not using any sata ssds

[crude rose]

oh ok

[vague maple]

and even if you were, you could throw them in another sata slot that isn't disabled

[crude rose]

also what is the reason to why these recommendations become outdated within a few weeks? is it because new things keeps coming out?

[vague maple]

pretty much yeah

plus price changes a lot

like a 1000 build today could be a 1200 build in 3 weeks

[crude rose]

yes, like this one that I on right now, in august, it would have only been $900 or so

[vague maple]

mhmm

[crude rose]

but now it's $1570

[vague maple]

see?

price changes a lottt

[crude rose]

ok i get it now

[vague maple]

yeah

your build is going to be outdated in the next 3 days

just because a new cpu release is happening

i would suggest when you are ready to just go out and buy/order parts, you come to us on that day and ask us to make you a list

[crude rose]

so then I would have to update my list based on the cpu and what works best with it?

[vague maple]

i would suggest when you are ready to just go out and buy/order parts, you come to us on that day and ask us to make you a list

this basically

[crude rose]

ok thank you

I will

[vague maple]

np

and @austere condor how do i change the rgb on my corsair keyboard without icue?

[stoic island]

You likely can't, unless it has physical RGB buttons

[vague maple]

well

it has this M1, M2, and M3 button

that changes rgb

but its prelocked

i cant change the rgb otherwise

and they don't work anymore lmao

You likely can't, unless it has physical RGB buttons
@stoic island ok so can you help me troubleshoot?

my device isn't showing up on icue

[stoic island]

I'm not a RGB guy

[vague maple]

ah

[stoic island]

and I uninstalled icue because of how annoying it was

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vague maple]

hmm

you know anyone on this server who can help me with that?

[wary geode]

rgb is the best

dont listin to mr1111

[vague maple]

mhmm

i love rgb

mr1111 is a boomer

[wary geode]

yeep

[stoic island]

no u

icue crappy

[vague maple]

no u

[wary geode]

mr1111 crappu

he has no rgb soul

[vague maple]

mhmm

he dont know discoooo

[wary geode]

mr1111 idea of a pc

[vague maple]

dell optiplex

[vague maple]

lmao

[stoic island]

I mean

[wary geode]

his favorite case

[stoic island]

that isn't far off from my build

except less black

[wary geode]

-.-

[stoic island]

see

[wary geode]

HE HAS RGGGHBBBBB

id say case upgrade

why have icue with it

[trail solstice]

Hi

[wary geode]

use asus aura

[trail solstice]

What graphics stress test should I use?

[wary geode]

use furmark

for cpu run cinebench 2 times

[stoic island]

no

[sullen spoke]

icue probably the best attempt at rgb software but they still all bad

[stoic island]

not cinebench lmao

p95 smallfft

[wary geode]

cpu i run it 5 times

[stoic island]

cinebench is not a stress test

[wary geode]

my cpu didnt breched 56

[stoic island]

it does not tell you if your CPU is stable or not

[wary geode]

I RUN IT BECAUSE IM ONLY RENDERING

[stoic island]

it's easy to have a cinebench stable OC that isn't p95 stable

[sullen spoke]

i have to take deep look one day because i cant even run p95 at stock

[stoic island]

or crashes in games

lol

[wary geode]

-.-

[vague maple]

icue probably the best attempt at rgb software but they still all bad
@sullen spoke my keyboard isn't showing up in my icue, can you help me?

[sullen spoke]

crashes pc like 10min in

[stoic island]

I've had cinebench stable OCs that crashed in siege

[sullen spoke]

nah im about to go to class

[wary geode]

use asus aura mr111

[stoic island]

and siege isn't even heavy

[wary geode]

its decent

[stoic island]

@wary geode nothing I have uses aura

literally nothing

[vague maple]

nah im about to go to class
@sullen spoke :bruh:

[stoic island]

why would I use aura

[wary geode]

trident z has

[sullen spoke]

i just use superposition in general because that seems to be a good mark for me

[wary geode]

or use msi mytic light

[stoic island]

I really dislike asus too

I just use mystic lights

easy

[sullen spoke]

all rgb bad

[wary geode]

yeah goo

NONONO

why rgb is life life is money money is power power is pizza

[vague maple]

does mystic light work with non msi products?

[wary geode]

nah

[stoic island]

yea

[vague maple]

does corsair products work with non icue stuff, thats a better question

[wary geode]

it will with mb

[stoic island]

My trident z neos work with mystic lights soo

dunno what you're on about

[wary geode]

yeah what mb u have

[vague maple]

me?

[wary geode]

mr21111

[vague maple]

oh

[stoic island]

msi board

[wary geode]

see

[stoic island]

corsair products work with non-icue is ehhh

dunno

try mystic lights

[wary geode]

you can use msi mytic with the rgb because of the msi boared

[austere condor]

well

3070 reviews are out

[stoic island]

yea

[vague maple]

already read them lulz

[stoic island]

less expected than hype

[wary geode]

yeah i dont know how to feel

[vague maple]

same

[austere condor]

basically right on par with a 2080ti

[vague maple]

it isn't 4k ready?

[wary geode]

doesnt seem as hype tbh

[stoic island]

mhm

[wary geode]

yeah 1-2 fps difference

[vague maple]

so annoying

[stoic island]

people gonna get mad it doesn't beat a 2080ti though

[wary geode]

honestly whoever quick sold a 2080 ti is gonna hurt themselves

[vague maple]

i mean the price difference is still pretty significant lmao

[austere condor]

added it to my chart

[stoic island]

nice

you gonna add specific FPS and stuff or nah

[vague maple]

nice chart

[austere condor]

just a general comparison chart, no FPS

[stoic island]

yea I mean any numbers?

dunno, like passmark benches maybe?

[wary geode]

i use thwe chart he makes daily

[vague maple]

damn

[wary geode]

its very helpful

[vague maple]

wtf

a 1080ti is more powerful than a 2070?

[austere condor]

yeah

[stoic island]

yea?

[austere condor]

thats... pretty well known

lol

[vague maple]

i never knew that

[stoic island]

yea...

[wary geode]

rumors happens to be about 6900xt is more powerful thsn the 3080 by 15-20fps

[vague maple]

they are rumors

[stoic island]

1080ti can beat 2070 super sometimes in dx11

[vague maple]

that is all

[stoic island]

and ofc more vram

[wary geode]

i know thats why i said it

[arctic jungle]

@vague maple stop saying wt||h|| it's a BAD word

[vague maple]

isn't there a 5800XT?

never

[stoic island]

nah

[arctic jungle]

[vague maple]

coulda sworn there was one

[wary geode]

cinebench is the best for ram testing

[stoic island]

no

[wary geode]

[stoic island]

what if I tell you

p95 largefft best for ram testing >:D

[wary geode]

its lowkey the best

my ram is part broken doesnt oc to 3200 only 2933

[stoic island]

stressing IMC is nice

[wary geode]

imma buy a weird case

prob like the weird futuristic ones

[sullen spoke]

Omg discord sucks

[vague maple]

why

prob like the weird futuristic ones
@wary geode get an imaginary one

[sullen spoke]

i try to scroll through message on mobile, i swipe once and end up in yesterday messages ._.

[vague maple]

those are the best

lmao

[sullen spoke]

And ya still impressive that 3070 is on par with 2080it

[vague maple]

mhmm

[sullen spoke]

these companies almost always hype up a little too much, why you have to take what they say with a grain of salt

and wait for reviews

[vague maple]

mhmm

[slim escarp]

[stoic island]

@sullen spoke yea but too much hype also kinda makes some customers mad

[balmy patio]

yeah too much hype can be bad if costumers aren't happy with what the manufacturer said/promised

[arctic jungle]

rgb question: can I plug a 3 pin powered fan hub into another hub like this one? https://www.newegg.com/black-en-labs-1ft-rgb-splitter/p/1W7-005X-00074

to sum it up, can I plug an rgb hub into another rgb hub

[stoic island]

im gonna check if they have current ratings on 3pin rgb

[spark raven]

just to quickly make sure 2 computers that are 2k and 2.5k would be better than 1 4.5k computer. This would be for streaming. My friend thinks that its better for one computer i think otherwise

[stoic island]

@spark raven uhm what?

[next kestrel]

for streaming yeah

[spark raven]

i mean its over the price that any normal person would spend

[next kestrel]

2pc setup is on paper "better"

[little osprey]

@stoic island what's up man

[stoic island]

I'm not sure you would gain more with 2pc setup

hey

[spark raven]

they think they need a 4.5k to stream

[next kestrel]

but you have so many wires

[spark raven]

i have a 600 and stream with no drops in frames

[next kestrel]

and you have to mess with it a bit to get it to stream well

[arctic jungle]

@spark raven think about getting a 2k PC for the gaming setup, then a second, cheaper, 600-700$ PC for the stream bit

[spark raven]

they also wanna put the i9 10900k in it

[arctic jungle]

spend the extra money you save on a good webcam, lightring, or better periphs

[next kestrel]

single pc will be much easier to stream on

[spark raven]

uh no

[next kestrel]

ah yes

[spark raven]

u put the Ryzen 9 5900k

[next kestrel]

streaming = intel

/s

in case you were confused

[spark raven]

the r9 5900x on paper beats the i9 10900k

[arctic jungle]

?!

[next kestrel]

5900x

[spark raven]

sorry x

[arctic jungle]

bruh that's on paper it hasn't come out yet

[spark raven]

ive been typing k's and x's a lot today im mixing them up

[little osprey]

wait for benchmarks

[next kestrel]

wait for real tests

[spark raven]

we have single core benchmarks

[arctic jungle]

when 3rd gen ryzen was coming out, rumors said the 3700x was 5 ghz all core boost and beat the 10900k

[spark raven]

and multi

[next kestrel]

amd benchmarks are uhh

they showed that 5700xt > 2080 super

[arctic jungle]

@spark raven leave the PCing to us plz :) we know about stuff xD

[little osprey]

i got the 10850k because i know that the 5900x won't be that much faster

[next kestrel]

during first release

[stoic island]

@spark raven I'd wait for reviewer benchmarks

[spark raven]

right so for a streaming setup with max of 4.5k budget what would be GPU/CPU for each system

[little osprey]

invest more in gaming pc than the streaming one

[next kestrel]

considering new launches, i have no idea

[spark raven]

invest more in gaming pc than the streaming one
@little osprey well yea ofc

[arctic jungle]

@stoic island can I plug a 3 pin rgb hub into the port of another 3 pin rgb such as this one https://www.newegg.com/black-en-labs-1ft-rgb-splitter/p/1W7-005X-00074

[next kestrel]

if the releases are what they say they are

[winter marsh]

It's all according to your personal budget, I bought a X570 but stuffed a 3600XT due to reviews and cost.

[next kestrel]

then a 5900x + 3080 for the gaming

[little osprey]

not worth it

[spark raven]

ok so wait until the 12th and we get real world tests on the CPUs

[next kestrel]

and another 5900x + a lower end gpu for the streaming

yes

[little osprey]

12 cores is uneccessary if you don't do video editing etc.

[spark raven]

Gaming -
5900x + RTX 3080/3090

Streaming -
5900x + GTX 1070ti/1080ti

[next kestrel]

well yeah

but people buy 10900k over 10600k

[arctic jungle]

bruh that's so overkill

[next kestrel]

while only playing games

sooo

[winter marsh]

Current gen Ryzen does well with RTX cards, I'd only upgrade when RTX does say like a Super, TI, or Titan

[arctic jungle]

why would you need a 5900x and a high end gpu in the second PC

[stoic island]

@arctic jungle I have no idea why but x570 mobo page taking a while to load

[little osprey]

@next kestrel it's because with 10c over 6c your pc will be much more future proof and responsive

[arctic jungle]

@stoic island NO it's b550

not x570

[stoic island]

@spark raven I'd think something more like 3600x+3070 in the streaming build

@arctic jungle that mobo sheet is for all am4 boards

I just call it 570

[arctic jungle]

ohhhh

ok

[little osprey]

@stoic island yeah you're right

[arctic jungle]

sendf the download too when ur done

i wanase it

[next kestrel]

he wanted to spend 4.5k on 2 pcs

[arctic jungle]

kekw

so dumb

[little osprey]

3k for gaming pc and 1,5k for streaming

[balmy patio]

isnt he gonna do the thing where he gets one pc to game on and another cheap one with a capture card to stream?

[arctic jungle]

xD that is so overkill @little osprey, what a waste of money

[little osprey]

i know but if he wants it

[next kestrel]

soo 10c isnt a waste because its future proof

[balmy patio]

yeah you dont need two pc's to stream, especially if one of them is over 1k and one is 3k

[arctic jungle]

you don't need to spend. 1.5k. ON A SECOND STREAM PC

600$.

MAX

[next kestrel]

but 12c is a complete waste of money?