as for drivers. Look at the "pickle" that Nvidia found themselves in recently
#building-and-recc-chat
stoic island
The 5xxx series AMD cards are already available, their performance goes a bit like:
5500xt = GTX 1650 super, 5600xt = RTX 2060, 5700xt = RTX 2070 Super
foggy hazel
current 5700 drivers are good.
and i would like to repeat. I do not personally care one bit what hardware you end up using @stable oxide
pearl blade
yea...and now is just such a rough time to buy gpu because the new things are literally coming out in weeks, and by the time you get it the value would've dropped by a lot
foggy hazel
What i do know is this: You are in the good position to have as much information as possible when you are going to be buying :)
pearl blade
i get it that not everyone needs to use the newest and greatest things, it's just that their prices can drop and there'll be better deals
stable oxide
@foggy hazel alright, so I guess I'll find out which gpu gives me the most bang for my buck on the 28 and 29 at around 400-525 dollars, so as to stay in my budget
jagged ember
tldr; wait if you want to buy a new GPU
stoic island
We can't accurately predict the future, otherwise we wouldn't be here chilling in this discord :p
foggy hazel
TLDR: There is no TLDR
jagged ember
haha okay fair
foggy hazel
:)
stoic island
Tldr : W A I T
languid nimbus
jagged ember
sock fight
deep skiff
fight fight fight
pearl blade
as long as ya'll aren't like me waiting since May then you're good, I could've been playing games by now and nope I'm stuck with HP all in one
foggy hazel
that is your own choice @pearl blade
@stable oxide as i have told a good number of people recently, come back and lets have a chat when the 6000 series and 3070 numbers are out. We will be so much more informed at that point :)
pearl blade
exactly, it's fine to wait a bit but not like a whole generation and when you need something
stable oxide
@foggy hazel yeah, i just worry about being one of those people who will have to wait because of stock, and I want backups. thanks for the help
foggy hazel
nothing we or yourself can do about it "right now" @stable oxide
and you are very welcome
jagged ember
Naed best techie
stoic island
Teachie*
still roostBOT
MaxGamerFlame#2450 has been warned
dry pine
oh
so you cant send pc partpicker lists
Oh nvm
i know why
wait no you can?
why did it ban my message
jagged ember
it kinda says
ripe wedge
@dry pine you have you be level 3 to send links
dry pine
oh ok
jagged ember
i don't think that's the case for this channel tho jake
ripe wedge
u sure?
balmy patio
yeah you can send pcpartpicker links in this chat
jagged ember
yeah, i'm like 75% sure
balmy patio
even if youre at lowest level
ripe wedge
just send the link with no other text @dry pine
ripe wedge
ah ok u can I couldnt remember
jagged ember
there was just apparently a bad word in the previous message
dry pine
im planning on building that when prices are cheap for blackfriday
stoic island
I mean
ripe wedge
if prices get cheaper id recommend a ryzen 5 3600
stoic island
The "bad word usage" should've been clear why the message wasn't allowed :p
dry pine
is it a good lineup for a budget build? im just looking to replace my 7 year old prebuilt
pearl blade
yea agree, 3600 would be better if you don't plan on upgrading the cpu
jagged ember
oof usb 2.0 wifi
ripe wedge
^
stoic island
Ick I'll edit it in a sec
dry pine
oh the mouspad and flash drive is extra because i dont have a flash drive
ripe wedge
usb 2.0 nasty tho
jagged ember
oh lol
pearl blade
pearl blade
yea, wifi usb aren't the best thing
ripe wedge
ah
jagged ember
oh okay
dry pine
but sometimes out internet goes out and i need to use a hotspot
pearl blade
true true
ripe wedge
for some reason when I was setting up my pc it wasnt detecting my ethernet
so thats a good idea
I had to switch to wifi for windows 10 set up
dry pine
but anyway, the main reason why im going cheap on the cpu is because a the stock cooler for the 2600 is nice, b im not going to be doing any video editing, and c its a tad more expensive, i have just enough money to buy this pc right now but ima wait till its cheaper
pearl blade
the GTX 1660 might age a lot quicker than you'd expect tho
ripe wedge
the ryzen 5 3600 comes with a stock cooler also
dry pine
yes, if i ever plan to upgrade i dont want to have to buy a new psu
jagged ember
i'd say a 450W gold would be enough if you aren't expecting to upgrade anytime soon
oh, okay
jagged ember
if you aren't planning to upgrade, it'll be enough
dry pine
im going to be doing very very very light 1080p gaming
jagged ember
but if you are going to upgrade, then it isn't enough
dry pine
like r6 cod MWF ect
pearl blade
nice
stoic island
Okay so
Mobile PCPP hates me, but here's revision 1
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4pY8K3
raw cradle
ok
pearl blade
Max, what is your budget?
dry pine
like 760$
jagged ember
okay
pearl blade
hm...must you get the barracuda 2tb?
dry pine
ehh, i guess i could go one tb.
pearl blade
because you could probably just do one tb nvme
dry pine
i do have a external ssd i could plug in but its slow
jagged ember
could also consider an external drive if it's only for storage
pearl blade
not enough luv for the 3100
jagged ember
hey and the 2tb drive stays!
ripe wedge
3100 still a solid cpu
pearl blade
yay
jagged ember
very nice
stoic island
I'll explain every choice as needed
dry pine
why must i got less than 600w? that psu is just as expensive as mine?
ripe wedge
and b550 so room to upgrade to ryzen 5000 down the line
stoic island
Here's the pro vdh wifi, it's not on pcpp for whatever reason
https://www.newegg.com/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi/p/N82E16813144331
@dry pine first, PSU quality.
W1 is trash
jagged ember
The PSU you chose was only 80+ certified too
stoic island
End of the story, EVGA W1 is trash.
dry pine
mmmm true
ripe wedge
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/ @dry pine here is the tier list
jagged ember
okay, that basically lol
stoic island
And next, BR 500w does you fine
jagged ember
refer back to it on #cases-psu-and-cooling in the pins
pearl blade
W1 is prob for like those lowest end build
stoic island
That whole PC will only pull around 300w
jagged ember
500w will be plenty for your current config lol
dry pine
alright i guess
stoic island
@pearl blade tbh I wouldn't feel comfortable choosing W1 unless it's like 20$ B stock and budget doesn't allow for anything else
But hey, at least it ain't no TT smart that might blow up :p
still roostBOT
MaxGamerFlame#2450 has been warned
dry pine
oops
stoic island
Bad words are bad
still roostBOT
Tjukaman#7790 has been warned
dry pine
hey atleast evga isnt come with case stuff
stoic island
Bad words are bad
@stoic island
pearl blade
anyways, you're right on the psu stuff @stoic island
dry pine
yeah they also match my case and do come in a pair of 3
stoic island
Okay lemme just explain every issue I had with your list and why I changed them
pearl blade
yea save the money on that or just get a better case
stoic island
Already told you why for PSU
For CPU+Mobo, Ryzen 3rd gen has considerable IPC gains that make them quite a bit better at gaming than 2nd gen, and motherboard will support Ryzen 5th gen, and also has built in wifi.
For SSD, TLC with quite a bit faster speeds at just 3$ more, why not.
GPU, 1660 super is a step up from 1660
Case is fine, left it, HDD is fine, left it
Extra fans are optional tbh
Another fan or two will make a big difference when it only comes with 1 exhaust fan, but it can "work" if you need to save that 20$ of the budget
No
dry pine
no ketchup and mutard
jagged ember
oh god
stoic island
N1 is even worse than w1
jagged ember
no please
dry pine
alright
stoic island
That's literally the only thing worse than W1 EVGA makes that I know of
Just switch it back to BR 500w please
jagged ember
stick with the EVGA BR lol
the PSU is really important
makes the difference between your pc working and your pc being fried or exploded
stoic island
PSU is extremely important to get a decent one, but the difference between decent and good is fairly small, I like to get the cheapest decent PSU that fits in the budget, focus on decent
pearl blade
br550 makes everyone happy
stoic island
Br 500 br 550 both are fine
ripe wedge
if you cheap out on the psu it is possible that all of your components can be killed
jagged ember
makes the difference between your pc working and your pc being fried or exploded
Hence this
ripe wedge
which is why you want to get a better one than a cheapo one
stoic island
Don't cheap out on PSU unless you know which ones are good
jagged ember
always cross reference with the PSU tier list lol
ripe wedge
^
pearl blade
had psu blown on me with power surge problem at the house
dry pine
alright, i saw in one of the revised posts you reccomnned a gigabyte 1660? why is that
dry pine
oh ok
stoic island
For graphics cards, all the brands do is slap on a heatsink, as long as the heatsink is decent, what really matters is the GPU underneath.
pearl blade
yea if anything youtube has a lot of benmark videos and even they're just for games you can tell the difference
stoic island
GTX 1660 super is a fair step up from GTX 1660.
dry pine
but is my msi vetus one good? ive seen it get 90+ fps in the games i intend to play
jagged ember
its a 1660 non super
stoic island
Just no for ventus
pearl blade
ppl hate the ventus for coil wine
dry pine
yes, problem is that super adds 60-80$ onto my budget
stoic island
Thin heatsink, one of the worst performing thermally most of the time
jagged ember
you really only go over budget by 2 dollars
pearl blade
you can always go amd :/
jagged ember
i think you can spare 2 dollars
stoic island
Here it is again.
Motherboard is on Newegg, PCPP just doesn't have a listing for whatever reason.
pearl blade
pcpp is rude
dry pine
hrmm.... ok, it isnt too much more expensive.... will my b450 board still work with the 3100??
stoic island
It will, but again, I have reasons for picking B550 :p
jagged ember
the 550 will support 5th gen ryzen and has wifi already
stoic island
Pcie gen 4 for future proofing
jagged ember
and pcie gen 4
dry pine
well......
pearl blade
yea b550 is appealing at the right price
jagged ember
it most definitely is
stoic island
Guaranteed 5th gen support, b450 is on a board-by-board basis on if manufacturers want to add 5th gen support
pearl blade
in comparison of b550 and x570 i'd go for x570 tho, but that's more expensive
jagged ember
yeah lol sadly we're budget limited here
dry pine
its 157$$$??????
stoic island
Most cheap B450 boards only have 1 M.2 slot supporting NVMe, that one has 2.
Excuse me?
It's 110$
jagged ember
?
stoic island
Right there
dry pine
where do you live mr111?
jagged ember
lol
stoic island
US
dry pine
oh
stoic island
Where do you live
jagged ember
wack dude
stoic island
:p
pearl blade
the reviews on that board seems to be not that great?
jagged ember
lmao
stoic island
@pearl blade yea I went over it with Naed before, it's people being crazy
"yes that guy had a problem with bios, therefore my problem must be with bios", despite no real known bios issues with that board
And sometimes the reviews are just... With all due respect, dumb.
pearl blade
interesting, so like witchhunts
jagged ember
If Naed says it, it must be true
yeah most of those reviews are saying it doesnt work with cpu
like update the bios lmao
stoic island
@jagged ember it's b550, they don't need to update bios
It's people doing crap wrong and blaming it on the easiest thing they can think of for blaming :)
stoic island
For example, one of the reviews was about 3400g not working with the board ...
Because guess what, B550 doesn't support 3000 series APUs, that's not the board's fault...
LOL
jagged ember
THATS A WINDOWS ISSUE
dry pine
ummm i dont know if i want to deal with updating bios's????
jagged ember
you don't need to do that lol
dry pine
mmm hmm...
jagged ember
i made a mistake earlier saying that
stoic island
We're having a laugh at the random reviews
pearl blade
yea b550 is literally the newer boards
no need to upgrade the bios unless it's for the 5000 series
jagged ember
look, if naed says all these reviews are people having no clue how to pc
that's how it is
stoic island
I can't imagine someone thinking adobe flash and flashing bios are similar things lol
pearl blade
jagged ember
bUt TheY HAVE FlAsH in ThE NAme
dry pine
hrmm, ok i think i have it where i want it. thanks for all the tips...
jagged ember
lol someone was complaining they had to use CPUs with integrated graphics to see video output
stoic island
Lmao
jagged ember
like, ????
jagged ember
and now someone is complaining about cooler removing the cpu as well
like, did no one teach you to twist and remove?
stoic island
It's actually kind of sad how many people go into PC building uninformed
stoic island
Because all of those are simple issues we could've taught them to fix in under 5 minutes if they came to this discord
It's a sad state of affairs :(
jagged ember
smh i see what naed was talking about lol
well, i'm done reading these reviews
they make me sad
stoic island
We gotta better educate the public on pc building lol
cloud oasis
yes
Before i actually studied
i thought it was really hard
Building pcs
I still dont understand stuff
jagged ember
honestly it seems so daunting
stoic island
It's a thing of "I think it's hard" -> "oh sounds easy asf" -> "Oh wait there's a bit more to learn" -> "Oh I see, that's easy."
cloud oasis
TRUE
stoic island
There's people getting stuck at the "reddit told me it's easy, I looked at one post, and tried to build this" kinda thing
jagged ember
if it doesn't fit in the slot, rotate it and try again
read your manual for anything you don't understand
cloud oasis
Is seasonic focus plus 850w good
cloud oasis
Yea i looked at it before but
pearl blade
the trail and error is where the fun is at, my first build took me 6 hours and it was just a simple build
cloud oasis
Dont know how to epread
stoic island
There's a difference between Focus Plus, Focus Plus GM, Focus Plus GX, etc.
foggy hazel
"We gotta better educate the public on pc building lol" <- not going to happen until the public is willing to dedicate more than 1 limp braincell to listening
cursive wharf
I mean, that goes with basically anything doesnt it? Educate the public on basic x topic
stoic island
I'm gonna sleep, all I gotta say is, @cursive wharf have fun with that >:)
cursive wharf
OCP is limited by current iirc (or maybe general wattage, cant remember the specific one) and due to that the high wattage PSUs will not have OCP on 12v rail
multi rail can mitigate that issue
cursive wharf
cuz on say an 850w PSU you can have some 480w 12v rails which is well within what OCP can do
also note, Seasonic FX has some issues
transient response is a bit whack
cursive wharf
yeah
cloud oasis
Rate 0-10
cursive wharf
as an 850w PSU or compare to PSUs like Corsair AXi?
cloud oasis
I want something really good
Ill get corsair azi
Nvm
too expensive
Anything else thats really good
i want the best
I deserve it
little osprey
Ok chill out bud 😂
cursive wharf
I'd say DF is like 8 or 8.5 out of 10 if comparing to even the very premium PSUs such as AXi. If just looking at like 850w PSUs in general, probably 9.5/10
I think there is an AX850i, let me check
cloud oasis
There is
cursive wharf
non I tho
cloud oasis
nvm
cursive wharf
AX850 non I, no AX850i
cursive wharf
dont think so
cloud oasis
Or any good ones
foggy hazel
@cloud oasis you have had numerous choices listed
cursive wharf
The best 850w one that's worth it is DF, unless you really OC heavily (in which case probs be going higher then 850w) or like some custom power management, I wouldnt worry about a better one
cloud oasis
hmm
ok i get df
also @foggy hazel i aked if rmx850 white is worth for 161
they said no
@cursive wharf just in case its this right
cursive wharf
yep
cursive wharf
I mean, you could save a bit with getting cheaper RAM/NVMe and getting more RGB fans or smth. But quality of build seems good
given you're going for 240Hz, Intel isnt a bad choice. Tho, they might be given Zen3
gritty zenith
imo should go with an amd build to invest towards future ryzen
cloud oasis
i could listen to music for the whole night
cursive wharf
prices may be closer to Intel, but they could still be potentially faster be a small amount, just like Intel is faster then AMD be a small bit rn
cloud oasis
Yes
atomic fable
Is this a good build ( I’m going to get either a 3060 or 2070s ) the piece is aud btw
foggy hazel
@cursive wharf keep in mind, this is iteration number 127 or so
cloud oasis
Missing ssd
gritty zenith
@atomic fable i think there is a lot of unnecessary money spent there
gritty zenith
if you're going amd there is no reason to get an $800 cpu rn
foggy hazel
AUD
cloud oasis
Get artic liquid freezer 360mm
gritty zenith
also that psu is literally just on that list bc it cost $300
not for any practical reason
cloud oasis
And put saved money into ssd
foggy hazel
availability is NOT the same over there vs in the US
cloud oasis
Also you can get asus tuf x570
foggy hazel
try it on pcpartpicker
cloud oasis
Aud currency is different
gritty zenith
well yeah, but regardless of currency differences those are still unnecessarily expensive parts
foggy hazel
try :)
gritty zenith
im not an idiot, i have thrown together a list on pcpartpicker with super expensive parts like those
foggy hazel
prices are VERY different to the US ones
gritty zenith
okay, but they are still expensive, i have seen the us prices for some of those
foggy hazel
and availability is really bad
cloud oasis
Stuff can get inflated
cloud oasis
In zimbabwe or something im pretty sure 1 dollar here is like 1 billion there
gritty zenith
relative to other options, those are expensive
cloud oasis
Bro
gritty zenith
that's all i was saying
foggy hazel
a 3700x is 500 aud
cloud oasis
Its 566 in usd
foggy hazel
just to give you an idea
gritty zenith
its like you aren't listening. I know there is a currency difference. i am just saying relative to other options available, because even with limited availability of options there are still options, those are expensive. what i am saying is that a 3900xt is expensive relative to for example a 3700x, not that omg 3900xt $1,000 usd no i know there is a currency difference, i am just saying that those are expensive relative to other options that work, and like if they are going AMD probably go for a cheaper ryzen right now to upgrade to 5000 series later. i understand what a currency difference is
foggy hazel
there is currency difference, and then there is availablity
both are not in favour when in australia
@atomic fable which specific retailer are you using?
its not mwave is it?
atomic fable
No computer alliance
foggy hazel
consider the following: XT variant is generally not worth it over X variant
gritty zenith
hm i wonder what that comes down to
atomic fable
At computer alliance they only have 3900xt not 3900x
foggy hazel
@gritty zenith which part?
price and avail?
are you forced to use that vendor @atomic fable ?
atomic fable
Kind of because that’s the one closest to me and shipping will but a bit on the cost @foggy hazel
foggy hazel
well, considering some of the prices i am seeing from other vendors
gritty zenith
consider the following: XT variant is generally not worth it over X variant
@foggy hazel generally statements like this is because one doesn't get much more performance for its price, so isn't worth. that is all i was saying earlier, that its not necessary to get a more expensive one when there is another one with better value. and okay theo said that the better value one isn't available, so there is justification
foggy hazel
Computer Alliance looks to be charing a heck of a lot more per part
gritty zenith
that i can def agree with
foggy hazel
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/TbLYrr <- compare your prices with this
i am NOT saying those are the part i would go with
atomic fable
Could you do lease list some stores in Brisbane I could check out @foggy hazel
foggy hazel
just giving you some context
gritty zenith
ay third times the charm lol
foggy hazel
@atomic fable dont know your home turf well enough for that.
but when i compare what you listed with what i know about australia and shipping.
shipping looks like the logical choice :)
atomic fable
K thnx but do I need a 750w platinum?
atomic fable
Ok thnx
cloud oasis
Revolution df 850w
foggy hazel
what i am seeing on pcpp, is that there is 10-ish aud difference between the XT and X model
which is basically nothing.
gritty zenith
on megabuy its like a 60ish aud difference
ah i c
i honestly think gold rated is fine
could save almost $120 aud
little osprey
@rugged cobalt what case is that?
foggy hazel
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/7QRRGq <- @atomic fable <- suggestion
gritty zenith
spicy
foggy hazel
that does everything your listed system does. for a whole heck less
atomic fable
K I did some looking and found pretty much the exact same parts for cheaper (price aud)
gritty zenith
okay that 3900x is good at that price
atomic fable
Yeah
atomic fable
Oh ok
gritty zenith
the ones in the list naed sent are good
atomic fable
Yeah true but I kinda want Corsair 3600mhz but I can’t find any at cl16
gritty zenith
corsair rgb 3600 at cl16 is stupid overpriced
atomic fable
Rlly
gritty zenith
almost double at least here
little osprey
Aren't those the dominators?
gritty zenith
over the cl18
atomic fable
K I think I’ll go ballistix then
deft python
Trident Z Neos are cool
gritty zenith
as much as you might be told growing up, rgb does not = fps sadly
little osprey
Ik ik
deft python
Yeah, but it looks cool
little osprey
They also have non-rgb too
gritty zenith
^
trident z looks frickin amazing but meh
they might be cheaper than the dominator rgb tho lol
cloud oasis
16gb Gskill 3600 cl16
gritty zenith
theo needs to find in an au store tho
little osprey
Doesn't australia have amazon?
That's where I got mine
My bad cl18 for $67.99 and ships to AU
Oh well
foggy hazel
depending on vendor, the shipping can be silly levels of high
gritty zenith
o
foggy hazel
as in, i have seen 50 aud shipping for a set of ram
and that was newegg x months ago
gritty zenith
okay so apparently on the site that theo found the vengeance they are actually $90 aud off
foggy hazel
any site works @gritty zenith
as long as it isnt outside of Aus
because .. shipping :)
foggy hazel
@little osprey please read :)
little osprey
I'm just saying it's an alternative if they can't find any vengeance
foggy hazel
amazon.com aint AU
little osprey
Oh...
gritty zenith
ur good
little osprey
My bad, I thought it would convert
foggy hazel
availability does not work like that
little osprey
Atleast I didn't send Best Buy😂
You might receive the wrong RAM, even IF they had AU for Best Buy. Which actually happened to me yesterday
foggy hazel
oloy, from what i am seeing on amazon.com.au is not a thing
little osprey
Dang
little osprey
I mean I don't really need mine anymore because of Best Buy
little osprey
I'm probably done with that store now
little osprey
When you pay for 2x8gb 3200 ram, but get 2x16gb 3200 ram
atomic fable
I think I’ll go with ballistix @gritty zenith
gritty zenith
alright
little osprey
I wanted 32gb ram, but now I have 48gb ram
atomic fable
Also could you recommend me a good budget monitor? @gritty zenith
little osprey
Your tv. I'm joking, that's what I'm doing tho
atomic fable
Lol
gritty zenith
depends on what you want from your monitor
atomic fable
I just want 144hz not curvey
little osprey
Probably an msi or acer then
atomic fable
Yeah
little osprey
I think Acer's are the cheaper option tho
atomic fable
K
little osprey
Huh, I did not notice that
From the right angle, my case fans light up my asus rog strix sticker decal
Totally was not on purpose
gritty zenith
this looks p good
you did say budget 144hz monitor tho, so 1080p the best u can get for that ;p
gritty zenith
i play at 1080p at 60hz 
little osprey
Same
little osprey
1080p, 60hz, ultra graphics settings
cloud oasis
Im too good
little osprey
For most games
gritty zenith
lol
the only time i feel like im good is when im playing COD with my brother and dad (they play on Xbox)
so i have sort of an upper hand
little osprey
little osprey
oof
gritty zenith
ikr
little osprey
amazon doesnt have a au?
cloud oasis
australia is a scuffed uk
gritty zenith
rip
atomic fable
Yeah there is a Amazon au
rugged cobalt
@little osprey corsair 500D SE
gritty zenith
i cry
just realized, y'all have all these options, yet i have fully immersed myself into the world of SFF PCs and i can't escape, once my parts come in next week i am going to 100% switch into a velka 3 and never look back
rugged cobalt
@little osprey anywai i build new rig whit this big boy
nova tinsel
Can anyone help me choose parts for a $3300 PC please?
gritty zenith
holy brother
thats a huge budget
i gotchu
gimme like 10min to shower n i gotchu
gritty zenith
@nova tinsel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nxwpbh
there ya go
lol added one thing
jagged ember
What are those fans
They cost like 100 dollars
Water cooling not really necessary unless you want whisper quiet operation
rocky zephyr
jagged ember
Boot drive can be shrunk down to 1tb or 512gb, consider something like the mp34 or the sx8200
Case is not good for airflow, but I don't know good ones
Nt-h1 or nt-h2 thermal compound should perform better than arctic silver
You don't really need to spend your entire budget on a pc
coarse coral
sharp bear
(Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case has a front panel USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type A port, but the Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard does not have sufficient USB 3.2 Gen 1 headers. The case USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type A port will not be usable.)
How can i solve this issue ?
gritty zenith
pick a different motherboard
careful that its up to spec tho, will receive harsh criticism if its a dollar too expensive even if you got a $5k budget lol
jk lol, but in all seriousness, the dude said they want $3300 build, thats what i sent
sharp bear
I picked gigabyte b550 aorus pro and msi mpg b550 gaming plus and the same issue
gritty zenith
if i were to go with all practical options then it would be a $2,000 build, bc i like to save money personally
I picked gigabyte b550 aorus pro and msi mpg b550 gaming plus and the same issue
@sharp bear maybe b550 boards dont have usb 3.2 gen 1 headers
foggy hazel
they do
jagged ember
They do it's true
stoic island
@sharp bear it's also not an issue lol
Unless you need front panel usb 3.2, ignore that.
sharp bear
oh okay so its not important ?
stoic island
mhm
it's just front io
if you don't need that 1 fancy usb 3.2 port
you don't need motherboard to have the internal header
granted if you have some reason to need that 1 port out of the like 3 other front io ports
I can find a mobo with usb 3.2 internal header
sharp bear
okay so just skip that
terse condor
Need some oppinions on a $700 budget build (fees and windows included) for a customer. Wudoyathink?
terse condor
Its better than the i3 10100 tho
stoic island
Also 1660s is ~250$ now
terse condor
Whats a better processor for the price
stoic island
Used tis :p
terse condor
Lmao
Hey used cards get the job done
My buddy grab a used 1070ti for $250 and has been working for 8 months
stoic island
Customers like to be fairly picky with used stuff
terse condor
Yeah but i wasnt going with used
stoic island
For yourself idc, but customers, if they're anything like people here, just hate used
terse condor
Thats why there's two was gonna let them choose
Of course
But whats a better cpu option for $125?
Or close
foggy hazel
its your customer, read some reviews :)
foggy hazel
if you can earn money you can also read reviews.
stoic island
I might actually move over to the Newegg builder if they keep deleting parts :(
Mx330-g air is gone now too
foggy hazel
they are not deleting as such, more i think pcpp is being exposed to what we did back in the early 00's here
stoic island
Hm?
foggy hazel
which is massive API bs
stoic island
I mean, there's listings without any listed stores so I don't think it's api
foggy hazel
vendors are (potentially) trying to game the system
terse condor
What do you mean @foggy hazel
foggy hazel
i mean, if you can sell machines, you can also read reviews :)
terse condor
Ive looked and reviews and benchmarks and I've concluded that 3300x is the best quad core for power
Ik but about what
foggy hazel
its a time investment that is well used
terse condor
What reviews should i be reading im lost lol
foggy hazel
why are you asking here then?
terse condor
Thx luv u, Naed
prisma stag
hey naed
can u help me
idk which channel i should be in tho
so my pc when i start it up all of a sudden its showing 2 of the same login emails on the login
one says incorrect password
but when i select the other one
it lets me put my pin in like normal
and get on the pc
foggy hazel
check your users
prisma stag
only me on the users
stoic island
@foggy hazel it's really confusing, because b550m pro vdh still shows up in lists I made before, the API still works and shows price, but today the entry just doesn't show up
prisma stag
err would a picture help better
foggy hazel
try it Guw
foggy hazel
yes
carmine geyser
is this a good build ?https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rj9xrr
little leaf
The answer is no even if the reason is editing @carmine geyser
wary geode
si
inland parrot
So it better for me to buy either a b550 or x570 mobo becsue of the upgradebitliy
stoic island
@inland parrot eh not completely accurate
people made a fuss about that announcement and they're now giving 5th gen support on B450
inland parrot
Oh
This is what i found i which one to get tho https://www.build-gaming-computers.com/b550-vs-x570.html
stoic island
For example, remember this?
dry pine
but that means that for b450 a bios flash will be needed.
small osprey
@stoic island could u give me a 1000-1200$ gaming pc list? For a friend.
stoic island
@dry pine mhm, that's why I'd rather give people b550 boards, but if they already have b450, they can chill.
inland parrot
I heard in the review on amazon that one of the motherboards has a bios flash
stoic island
@small osprey I'm working on other stuff so you might have better luck with other people, some questions to start off, When are you building, any preferences, need wifi? need monitor in there? And doing anything other than gaming?
@inland parrot I think you saw something about bios flashback button, it's a feature on some motherboards that allow you to flash the bios without a CPU installed
small osprey
Building in couple months, not in that much of a hurry. Wifi would be preferable. Monitor is not needed, going to mainly be used for 1080p 144hz gaming. And some productivity(schoolwork, etc)
foggy hazel
no need for a list "now" then
having access to a list now, only opens up the ability for the person to start doing silly things
small osprey
My friend wants a list so he can finalize his budget with parents, hes looking for deals
foggy hazel
buying a part at a time = bad
stoic island
@inland parrot most of the information on the website is correct, but the thing that should be emphasized is that A LOT OF THE THINGS VARIE FROM MODEL TO MODEL, aka. it's hard to compare low end B550 and High end X570, and High end B550 and low end X570. For example, everything that's in red here depends on the specific model.
small osprey
@stoic island on that note is the b550-f wifi or x570+ wifi better? They are similar pricing
night iron
Nice Halloween setup @tired turtle
tired turtle
❤️
sharp bear
would a ryzen 7 3700x bottlneck rtx 3070 ?
tired turtle
probably but i think everything really will, its still a fine pairing dont stress it, only the top tier cpu's wont bottleneck it
little osprey
would a ryzen 7 3700x bottlneck rtx 3070 ?
@sharp bear Not really honestly
stoic island
bottleneck is hard to define
little osprey
From benchmarks it wont even bottleneck a 3080
stoic island
and without benchmarks, we don't even know
little osprey
I think it means (personally)
stoic island
It's an extreme broad term
little osprey
Does not allow the GPU to reach its full potential in most games
Thats my personal way of saying it
stoic island
bottleneck in editing? bottleneck in 2560p? bottlenecking in pushing the most frames in 720p?
all different things
little osprey
true yes
stoic island
requiring different amounts of load on GPU and CPU
There are very few situations where you can say "yes it bottlenecks in everything"
little osprey
Honestly I was going to get a 3080 and a Ryzen 5 but now I called off the whole build
Cause my current PC is working
But it struggled in a game I used to get 60 FPS on Ultra
So I might be wrong
😂
sharp bear
so i would be good for gaming and streaming with ryzen 7 3700x and 3070
stoic island
wait for benchmarks >:D
little osprey
What resolution do you plan to play in
sharp bear
2k
stoic island
(just say 1440p :P)
little osprey
I see
stoic island
"2k" is confusing
sharp bear
yeah 1440p HAHA
little osprey
Most probably not, but as Mr1111 said, wait for some reliable benchmarks
stoic island
???
3070 is posed to be at the same performance as 2080ti, which can do 1440p pretty damn well
little osprey
yes
stoic island
So I'm not sure where you're getting the "most probably not" from..?
little osprey
Because I have not seen benchmarks, so I cannot present 100% advice even though its obvious
inland parrot
@stoic island is that good or bad
stoic island
@little osprey eh, I'd still say it's fair to say most likely it can do 1440p quite well, looking at the precedents.
little osprey
Yes
sharp bear
what about ryzen 9 3900x would that be okay ?
stoic island
Unless you meant to imply something else by "most probably not"?
inland parrot
I mean for the flash bios @stoic island
little osprey
Unless you meant to imply something else by "most probably not"?
@stoic island no not really
stoic island
bios flashback is good
stoic island
"most probably not" Kinda implies 3070 is too weak to do 1440p, which, from the information we have so far, would not be true :P
@inland parrot if you use mobo mastersheet, right here.
inland parrot
Is there any for b550 and b450
stoic island
Yes.......
Use the sheet...
and they do work
I have a MSI B450 pro carbon ac
used button many times
arctic jungle
o
stoic island
because who has time to take out gpu to reset cmos via battery :P
arctic jungle
is the botton mushy?
arctic jungle
or does it have a tactile feel
stoic island
it like clicks
arctic jungle
interesting
small osprey
Clicky clicky
arctic jungle
what if you accidentally hit the button
inland parrot
Yeah what will happen
small osprey
Then ur cmos resets
stoic island
you hold it down
small osprey
Ah
stoic island
not like click once
iirc it's hold for 5 seconds, and it'll start blinking light letting you know it's doing it
and it has a specific usb port it wants usb stick with bios on it usually
arctic jungle
HAHhahHAHAHha
stoic island
Oh wait it's press button
arctic jungle
i will go to your haus
stoic island
arctic jungle
and hold down the button
inland parrot
With the flash bios does is also have recovery bios
arctic jungle
and install PREVIOUS FIRMWARE
stoic island
I usually hold button until it starts flashing xD
small osprey
Antago u so evil xD
arctic jungle
inland parrot
@stoic island is there chart that compares every amd motherboard
stoic island
the mastersheet
has like 98% of all AM4 motherboards
I'm pretty sure I linked it to you before
sharp bear
would it be similar with the 3070 ?
sharp bear
oh bruh
stoic island
small osprey
Lol when u search up “bottleneck “ on google
stoic island
I think we've explained why you can't just quantify a pair as just "bottlenecked" or not in general
gritty zenith
I'm pretty sure I linked it to you before
@stoic island just pin the link then smh
stoic island
Welp, good mobo sheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/edit?usp=sharing
twilit gull
so my ram in the bios was set to auto and was running 2300 mhz it should be 3600 should i change it to 3600 instead of auto
stoic island
use xmp
cloud oasis
stoic island
y
inland parrot
@cloud oasis is that for me
stoic island
@cloud oasis what about Z490 Aorus Elite
cloud oasis
About the elite
i would get it but the 2 m.2 slots at the bottom are ugly
Also @inland parrot no
inland parrot
Oh
@stoic island you answerd all my questions just from the google sheets
Is there one for intel
cloud oasis
Asus Z490 or gigabyte z490
stoic island
@cloud oasis bruh elite has better VRMs than both of the mobos you listed >:P
stoic island
blah
cloud oasis
man
cloud oasis
Imma just get z490-e
vital warren
isn't that 300
inner raptor
I’m building a pc rn, the cases back output thing is bent so the io shield won’t go in properly
little osprey
hi
desert gulch
Hi
stoic island
hi
little osprey
ok so basically im installing a new audio driver and it wont show up
i have an acer aspire 3 a315-41
i got it from the acer website
i went into device manager
violet harness
Sigh
inner raptor
Yo my case is bent so I can’t install a io shield. What should I do?
inner raptor
Should I return
desert gulch
Nith did you bend the case?
desert gulch
lol
little osprey
IM NOT THAT SAVVY
little osprey
i- whats the regular role
violet harness
Hi mr1
stoic island
no im dumb with software :(
upbeat lodge
Should I over clock my i5
stoic island
Once you download the drivers, it should either be a program you can just execute right away, or it will be a folder you unzip and execute the program within
OCing always your own risk to take
little osprey
okay i unzipped it
upbeat lodge
stoic island
inside the unzipped folder, there's usually a program that you can execute
little osprey
how do ik which one?
stoic island
whichever one is the program
upbeat lodge
OC is at risk
little osprey
whats oc
desert gulch
overclock
little osprey
what does that mean
desert gulch
make it runs faster than stock
little osprey
is it bad?
desert gulch
possibly
upbeat lodge
It making you cpu run faster
little osprey
will i lose my data
upbeat lodge
It makes the cpu hotter
desert gulch
lol
violet harness
This person lol
desert gulch
xD
violet harness
Noooo
upbeat lodge
It’s all good
upbeat lodge
Don’t worry about being dumb
upbeat lodge
That’s the whole point
desert gulch
lol
upbeat lodge
Lol
little osprey
i hope i can build a pc in the future but A im poor asf and second my parents would never let me lol
little osprey
i only have 121 dollars and its going toward my apple watch i wanna get
yeah 121 dollars is a good amount
but for a pc build
cloud oasis
:feelsweirdman:
upbeat lodge
Oh I have 605
little osprey
u need over 1-2k
upbeat lodge
Usd
cloud oasis
apple watch andy
violet harness
im younger so i dont have as much knowledge
@little osprey dawg I’m 17
cloud oasis
dawg im 13
upbeat lodge
And I need 1300
little osprey
i hope to build a pc in the future tho
still roostBOT
rtk#2339 has been warned
upbeat lodge
Sec
desert gulch
lol
upbeat lodge
One sec
cloud oasis
Bro how are u gonna say ur broke and then buy a apple watch with that money
violet harness
Lmao
desert gulch
saving up
cloud oasis
like cmonbruu
little osprey
im saying im broke as in building a pc