Yeah but there out of stock everywhere
#building-and-recc-chat
magic bough
spiral zealot
yeah, that's just a supply problem in general. it really just depends on what features you're potentially willing to drop in order to find something in stock. the gigabyte x570 aorus elite (no wi-fi) is in stock at $199
wait nevermind
pcpp is just out of date
this one is in stock though - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dmGnTW/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi
at the wegg
spiral zealot
looks mostly like the gigabyte board has more i/o ports and stuff
but core support is the same on both
wifi, pci-e 4.0, etc
little leaf
@magic bough not a good list
are you gaming?
or editing?
@spiral zealot his list Is really bad
unless hes not gaming
sand falcon
What's wrong with the list?
little leaf
1800 for a 3700x and 2070s
is not a good price
or list unless not gaming
and if your not gaming there would still be better deals
sand falcon
Prices are wack right now
little leaf
Just look at his list
not chanutaleis
deans
3600 cl 18 for ryzen
270 dollars for a mbo
sand falcon
Part of the issue is the windows license
little leaf
windows
sand falcon
That mobo has no price right now
sand falcon
The psu has no price right now either
sand falcon
Check where it's from. It's probably either a third party ripoff seller or OOS
little leaf
bestbuy
little leaf
yes but that is still the price
sand falcon
Best buy prices are crap
little leaf
it doesn't change the fact that that is the price of the product
the price is the same as newegg
sand falcon
For which?
little leaf
mobo
sand falcon
b&h usually had it for 250
little leaf
Yes but prices are up and there are better choices
the evga psu is normally 130 and I would rater have an rmx
the case is just bad for the pric right now
If your gaming and only have a 2070s and a budget of 1800 I kinda of feel bad for you
little leaf
@sand falconJESUS CHRIST
THE OTHER VERSION IS 100
THAT ONE IS FROM AMAZON AND JUST EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW
spiral zealot
🤷 he asked about the motherboard, i answered about the motherboard, i wasn't critiquing his list as a whole
sand falcon
Ah, so an overpriced third party seller for this one?
sand falcon
So the reason it's so expensive is that it's either from price gouging third parties or is oos
little leaf
you could've at least told him not to get windows a 100
sand falcon
I've mostly given up on telling people about windows being expensive
I had someone chew me out accusing me of piracy
little leaf
lmao
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vbDx3t I mean this list is far better at a cheaper price and has more rgb
sand falcon
It's still overpriced even with the cheaper licenses, so idk right now
Motherboard, ram, and PSU are overpriced and the GPU is out of stock
little leaf
mine?
sand falcon
Yup
little leaf
ram Is only expensive cause rgb
sand falcon
Can get cheaper RGB ram
sand falcon
But really, who cares about RGB
little leaf
also what rgb ram would you get?
@sand falcon motherboard is only 10 dollars more than usual
and all psu are a little more expensive right now
sand falcon
It's also a B tier PSU, no?
little leaf
an rm?
sand falcon
Yeah
sand falcon
That's the RMx and 650 RM gray that are A tier
sand falcon
That's the 650W
little leaf
I think that is the lowest wattage that is goo enough
because if you click on the rmx its 550
sand falcon
Possibly
viral ore
that RM is the A tier one
little leaf
Bob I know
viral ore
the one with the new white text
sand falcon
So the new RM's are all A tier?
viral ore
yep
little leaf
yes
viral ore
if its RM 2019, its a solid psu
viral ore
are the sata power and data cable both plugged in
bold turret
yes
little leaf
do you have an m.2?
little leaf
@magic bough Don't get that list that you put
viral ore
is your sata controller enabled and set to AHCI?
bold turret
sata controller?
viral ore
yes
bold turret
whats that
viral ore
in the bios there is a setting
viral ore
probably in advanced
viral ore
scroll down
sand falcon
It's not bad, it's just overpriced
little leaf
Its a bad list for the price
sand falcon
Don't get Bitcorrn's list either. It's also overpriced
sand falcon
$300 for that PSU?
little leaf
the rm is 130
little leaf
yes it is
sand falcon
Check the stock
little leaf
ah
sand falcon
Cheapest you can get it is 300
little leaf
I forgot to put it on no best buy
sand falcon
@magic bough Depending on where you get the parts, you can probably cancel most of them
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ld27L2
This is a much better list for the price
little leaf
@sand falcon but no rgb 😦
viral ore
yeah idk, is your hdd vibrating?
little leaf
Thats why I made my list
viral ore
open your case
sand falcon
Who needs RGB
viral ore
put your hand on it
sand falcon
It's pointless
bold turret
yes its on
little leaf
@sand falcon RGB INCEASE PERFORMANCE BY 10000%
sand falcon
Fair enough 🤣
You still have the cool corsair fans, so that's something
It would have been hard to sync all of those anyway 🤷♂️
bold turret
how to fix the new hdd i installed to show up
viral ore
try a different sata cable
little leaf
@bold turret do you have an nvme ssd?
viral ore
or a different sata port
bold turret
nvme ssd?
viral ore
bitcoin, hes using the PCIe only m.2 slot
little leaf
@sand falcon also with a high budget rgb just looks nice
sand falcon
Some mobo's will disable some sata ports if an nvme ssd is present
sand falcon
Cool
So that's fine
@little leaf You have asus, gskill, gigabyte, and corsair rgb all in the same build though. That will be really hard to make look nice. Just corsair is a bit of a loss, but you won't have to worry about syncing and color corrections
little leaf
@sand falcon You could just go for a gigabyte mobo to get the gpu and mobo insynce
the ram syncs with the mobo
sand falcon
Still would need color corrections
magic bough
@sand falcon I have all them except motherboard
sand falcon
Cool
magic bough
Lol
sand falcon
Depending when it was purchased, it could have been a decent part
We've been working on the assumption that you were purchasing all of these on the current prices
little leaf
if he purchaseds that the current price is not great
magic bough
I purchased like a month ago
little leaf
At what prices?
magic bough
Don’t remember
sand falcon
Doesn't matter anymore
little leaf
Ye
sand falcon
Newegg had it for about 550 though, so not bad
magic bough
I think boblasershark was the one who helped me
But I don’t remember
I just remember that pfp
sand falcon
If you got this a month ago, it wasn't me
little leaf
No one should reccommend corsair ram unless you really just want corsair
sand falcon
If you have corsair fans, corsair ram is good for looks
sand falcon
You're the one that just built a more expensive build for looks so yeah
little leaf
Eh lol
magic bough
This is what I got
little leaf
ah
sand falcon
That is good ram
sand falcon
Probably the 3600 CL16
little leaf
prob
little leaf
yep
sand falcon
best deal for that speed ram there is right now
little leaf
yes
sand falcon
Timing isn't great, but oh well
sand falcon
16-19-19-39. There are some good CL18 kits that will run better
Yes, it was a good decision
little leaf
I wouldn't keep on bed
sand falcon
It's still boxed, it's fine
sand falcon
The power cable is connected?
little leaf
@magic bough You don't need x570 just get b450 or b550
sand falcon
Unless you do need x570 for some reason, in which case you do
little leaf
@sand falcon why does he need x570?
sand falcon
Some people do, but most people don't
little leaf
nvm
little leaf
@magic bough don't its really overpriced
magic bough
The money isn’t that big of a deal to me I worked for it and I’ve wanted it for a while
So I’ll just go with it
little leaf
Doesn't mean you should waste money
magic bough
True
sand falcon
It is a good motherboard, so it's not really that much of a waste, it's just more than most people need
olive kraken
Found some extra old PCs at work
lethal gale
Do you guys think 16gb ram is enough for gaming, streaming and web at the same time? (dual screen)
olive kraken
Mobo: MSI b350 Tomahawk
CPU: r5 1600x
RAM: 16Gb 2400MHZ
GPU: EVGA 1060
Storage: old 250GB ssd/1TB HDD
Case: Random Cooler master with not a good intake (doesn't matter cuz only has 1 exhaust fan)
sand falcon
That's new
viral ore
those are decent machines
olive kraken
Director asked what should we do with it, I'm thinking the same as the ones from my last "post" Get better GPU faster ram, maybe better Mobo
By old I mean, our biggest room has 2070s with r5 3600s
But we r making a room for the community and kids and stuff to come in and have some fun, stream and do their little tournaments and stuff
viral ore
B350 can handle 3rd gen ryzen iirc
slap some 3300x or 3600 cpus in there
i mean, a 1060 isnt all that bad either
what will these machines be doing???
like, theyre fine as they are lol
unless your doing like actual work on them
stoic island
yes
viral ore
oh wait
olive kraken
We have 5 PCs with
2700
1060
4x4 GB RAM (Can't remember frequency)
MSI x470
And then this one which is obvs a bit older
sand falcon
Frankly, if it's for a fun room for kids, they will be glorious
viral ore
i see what you wrote now
stoic island
For office work you maybe just need a bigger ssd and maybe higher freq ram
yea it's just one year older lol
viral ore
yeah, take all your machines, maybe swap parts around between them to balance them a bit better, and theyre fine.
olive kraken
Yeh, it's gonna be a room for kids (teenagers and stuff) going to be like a little program
stoic island
yea it ain't bad today
olive kraken
Where they can learn about streaming, gaming etc.
viral ore
i mean a 2700 is better than the cpus i use now
olive kraken
viral ore
like, thats more than ok
olive kraken
Gotta cable manage tommorow
viral ore
omg, an arctic board
olive kraken
Idk who said those green zip ties were ok but no. They gotta go
olive kraken
Hahaha agreed
But yeah we doing that for the kids and stuff. A lot of fun, today I spent all day with the IT guys getting the admin codes to be able to update Bios, GPU, W10 etc.
spiral zealot
green zip ties? ew, why not some fabric cable ties - lttstore.com - to clean things up a bit
olive kraken
Broooo Lmfao
still roostBOT
nolan#4180 has been warned
vestal sonnet
?
vestal sonnet
my sister wants a pc to play minecraft and do schoolwork/watch youtube and i made a pcpp list but not really sure if its the best for around the price and what she wants it for also im building it for her and shes gonna buy parts https://pcpartpicker.com/user/nolan83/saved/ also the list adds up to be $410.64
viral ore
get a laptop
viral ore
also, i dont see anything
vestal sonnet
viral ore
BUT, that laptop was just an example of what you could get, dont actually get that one
stoic island
mhm
viral ore
its got some goofy windows version
stoic island
there are good laptops out there for ~400$
also, heres another baseline build without monitor for what I'd go for
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nz2Vp8
little osprey
ah
stoic island
also it's been out of stock and not been under 105$ for a long time now
like at least 2 months
vestal sonnet
when my friend upgrades soon he said he could give her his 1050
also what u said about the 1600af being out of stock for 2 months if false i bought one on amazon for $105 when i built my pc like half a month ago
but it is out of stock now
i think
next kestrel
it has been oos UNDER 105$
stoic island
yea
stoic island
85$ is where it used to be
next kestrel
but the 85$ glory days are over 😦
stoic island
is sad
next kestrel
i would def look for used parts tho
at that price point
you could fit in something like a 4690k and a 970 or a rx 580
viral ore
get a laptop
next kestrel
or do that
viral ore
altho, the display on this laptop kinda sucks
better option, definetly worth the extra 50 dollars
next kestrel
its 400 dollars tho idt you could ask for much better than that
sand falcon
Rip
fast dust
get a new hard drive ez
wary tundra
Ye or I can try to reinstall windows
buoyant flame
Ayyeee you canceled nitro lol
wary tundra
I did indeed
sacred obsidian
but now you cant 
buoyant flame
Yes, its very sad 
sacred obsidian
@tribal tendon try sending it here
next kestrel
My computer posts on integrated graphics
And even on a GT 640
W/O extra power
But not on any other gpu requiring pcie power
? Help
Got a HEC 600TC-5wk
Tested it with 1070/1660 super/970 all confirmed working on other systems
dapper sun
power supply isn't going to necessarily determine if a system posts. What are the other components/specs of the system that won't post with a pcie gpu?
glad fossil
Hey all what noctuA cooler doesn’t block ram slots?
stoic island
Nh d15s, NH U12s, NH L12s, nh L12a, NH l9a
Off the top of my head
Any of them that doesnt have dual fans basically
celest horizon
The fans don't block ram slots
The D14 kinda does, but anything since then is fine
next kestrel
Yea
wicked berry
best am4 for r5 2400G
msi b450m a pro max amd am4 motherboard is this any good
tepid basalt
best am4 for r5 2400G
msi b450m a pro max amd am4 motherboard is this any good
@wicked berry yes, just no upgrade for that board tho
wicked berry
yeah hes just getting an new mother board he has an hp prebuild one
eager chasm
If you are switching out parts from a prebuilt if the power supply is a grey nameless model it it might be a good idea to swap that out too, if you can.
covert shale
so i have a build question. not sure if anyone has the answer but here goes lol
i have 3900x and https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-x570-f-gaming/p/N82E16813119195?Item=N82E16813119195 this mobo
i really wanted to add https://www.newegg.com/p/0RN-002X-00073?Item=9SIA25VA220437&Tpk=9SIA25VA220437
but it says 3900x only has 16x lanes? so if i have a 1080 ti in slot one that leaves zero lanes for this card? or i can only use 2 of the slots?
stark quail
can a ryzen 7 2700x and a rtx 2070 super handle vr
fast dust
@next kestrel I got the 450w version of that. I talked with JonnyGuru (aka power supply god) and he said it was better than a TT smart, and slightly better than a Corsair CV. It won’t explode or anything, so. Yeah
stark quail
oh okay thank you lol
analog hearth
@stark quail with ease
stark quail
okay thanks
what would be the next upgrade for a build that has r7 2700x 2070 super tomahawk b450 max 16gb 3600 ram 512 ssd 2tb hdd 650 psu
fast dust
GPU imo. 3700X is really good and 2070 super can be upgraded to 2080 TI
But honestly I wouldn’t upgrade
It’s a really solid build already
stark quail
oh thanks lol this my first build and i tried making it on my own with lil help
i only got the r7 2700x cuz it was on sale for like 100 sum
analog hearth
what's the PSU, btw?
stark quail
corsair
analog hearth
model?
stark quail
cx
analog hearth
should be fine for now (until you maybe upgrade your GPU, but I wouldn't make it a priority)
stark quail
how much would you guys sell the r7 2700x for used?
stark quail
and how much is the 3700x?
yeah but just to see if i were to upgrade it or find a deal for the 3700x
analog hearth
prices would vary. it's probably best you find a deal yourself
I don't want to just go onto Amazon by default (in which they don't have hardware atm) and be like "$500"
because that's not a good price lol
stark quail
makes sense lol
arctic jungle
it's supposed to b 200 ish
stark quail
yeah im buying the 2070 super founders edition off best buy cuz it cost like 700 on any other place but bestbuy is 500
what about a cooler thing for cpus does that really help a lot?
stark quail
yeah
analog hearth
haha I misread for a second
stark quail
i ws either gonna get it off the main website or bestbuy
analog hearth
like lmfao that's a 2080 Super rn haha
stark quail
yeah i dont think i need that kind of power lol
analog hearth
I wouldn't bother haha
stark quail
i game very little and was thinking about vr so i was just making sure the gpu would be able to handle it cuz it can handle the ray tracing thing at like 60 fps
analog hearth
yeah VR is surprisingly easy to run at this point
stark quail
but yeah does the cpu coolers have a bigger impact then the regular stock coolers that come with the cpu
analog hearth
I wouldn't worry about getting a different cooler unless you plan on overclocking
stark quail
i keep seeing builds on youtube and they keep adding different coolers for a 1.5k build
fast dust
Ryzen makes adequate stock coolers if you’re not overclocking
stark quail
oh yeah no i dont wanna do that, my cousin said its to hot where i live it would overheat
fast dust
You have 3700X?
stark quail
no 2700x
fast dust
Oh yeah that’s a hot boi
stark quail
lol
fast dust
As long as you don’t have temperatures of like 90 degrees inside your house or wherever your PC is I wouldn’t worry about it
Or try the stock cooler and if you don’t like it get another one
stark quail
what would you recommend?
covert shale
anyone have exp with m.2 to pcie cards?
stark quail
right but if the stock cooler wasnt good enough what after market cooler would you say would be good?
fast dust
anyone have exp with m.2 to pcie cards?
@celest horizon does
analog hearth
Forks offline though :0
like, the ones that fit into the PCIe slot and jut out of the motherboard, or the kind that are flush with your motherboard?
fast dust
Ik so sad
covert shale
in the actual pcie slot
my bios says i have pcie raid support for slot 1&2
and x570 chipset controls slot 3
but no settings for pcie raid in slot 3 at least not in bios. so idk if that means i cant use it at all? also can slot 3 even get 16 lanes from chipset? i feel like its trying to say it can only do 4 lanes
but then it throws this word out there PCI Bifurcation
and if i dont have that does it even matter? lol
sullen spoke
Turning on pc fans turn on then off, thoughts?
analog hearth
uhhhh what
sullen spoke
Hmm could it be dead cmos battery
fast dust
@sullen spoke just the fans?
sullen spoke
Ye the ram has rgb but didn’t turn on
fast dust
Does it post?
sullen spoke
No
sullen spoke
I’m afraid of that
fast dust
Are your fans plugged into motherboard or power supply?
sullen spoke
Mobo
fast dust
Can you connect them to power supply?
See if that works
If it doesn’t work, power supply problem probably. If it does work motherboard problem
Like if the fans turn on and stay on or wtv
sullen spoke
On and off immediately
sullen spoke
Generic dell
silk estuary
Oof
sullen spoke
It has worked in the past
fast dust
How many watts
sullen spoke
460 it looks like
fast dust
And it’s got the needed connectors for 980?
sullen spoke
I feel like im forgetting something simple
Ye it does and the light indicator on gpu turns on
fast dust
Hm
Try resetting CMOS, it can’t hurt
If that doesn’t work get new power supply and see if that works
sullen spoke
Wtf
fast dust
Sorry ghost
fast dust
Does it loop?
sullen spoke
No just once, it loop if I hold power
fast dust
This is why you test bench it first lol
sullen spoke
I didn’t have everything to test it, still missing some parts
I’m afraid it’s the mobo because that’s the only thing that was not verified working
fast dust
Well it does sound like a motherboard problem to me 😕
sullen spoke
Strange
fast dust
I’ve had boot looping before and it was a motherboard problem
This is kinda similar to that
sullen spoke
Oh actually I don’t think I have another psu that would work
Ye it doesn’t have the same cpu power connector
Damn
celest horizon
Yes, I really like those pcie x4 risers.
Very convenient to just swap drives vs dual booting etc
fast dust
@covert shale
fast dust
Dusty
celest horizon
a bit
fast dust
Forks responded to your PCIe SSD thingy
covert shale
oh
@celest horizon howdy
i was looking to run 2 or more m.2 from a riser
but really i think im coming to terms with just needing more storage. mostly for games and possible 1080p video to edit.
celest horizon
You can do that, they make x16 cards with 4 m.2 slots
fast dust
For games I say just get a hard drive
covert shale
yeah but i keep seeing stuff about bifurication
celest horizon
But you need to have a motherboard that supports pcie lane bifurcation
fast dust
Video editing is a different story
covert shale
right so pcie 16x slot 1 and 2 are from cpu
and they got that i think with new bios
celest horizon
Almost every x299/x399 and server board can do it, some x570's can.
covert shale
it added pcie raid support options to those slots
celest horizon
You don't want to raid anything
covert shale
but i think since the drives are x4 i can only run 2
celest horizon
What board do you have?
covert shale
unless theres a way to force them to run x2 and run 4
okay new egg links work but not actual vendor sites like asus
the manual is old
and doesnt reflect newest bios enhancements
also to note. the chipset controls pcie 16x slot 3
celest horizon
Ya, that's normal
covert shale
and that slot didnt get the option to use pcie raid
celest horizon
Usually the first x16 slots get x16, and x8 electrically, both share the first 16 cpu lanes
Then the chipset controls the x1 and x4 slots
covert shale
i dont but it seems i cant use that card without setting that setting
i also found this
chart
celest horizon
What cpu you got?
celest horizon
Looks like you'd have to run the gpu in x8, and bifurcate the second slot to x4/x4
covert shale
well i wouldnt be able to run it like that anyways since my dang gpu is massive
covers the second 16x slot
i was either hoping to use slot 1 or slot 3
for the aic.
celest horizon
Odd that slot 1 can only support 1 drive , i.e. no bifurcation
covert shale
just seems like their docs are not even sure lol.
celest horizon
Since that slot is wired to x16 electrically
At the very least, you can run two m.2's on the board, then another in an x4 riser from the chipset slot for a total of 3
I think
covert shale
is their aic that can bypass bifurcation with on card stuff?
celest horizon
No good options
covert shale
yeah i have 2 gen4s running now
celest horizon
It would have to have it's own storage controller
m.2 riser AIC's work well because they're completely passive, the drives are wired pretty straight to the pcie pins
covert shale
right thats fine for a single drive.
i guess i could just buy a single large gen4 drive
celest horizon
That would be a good option imo, or even a mix of fast gen4's like you have, and a large gen3 qlc for bulk storage
Like a 665p or , better yet WD black etc
covert shale
dont flame me lol but
my os is 2x 500gb gen4 raid 0 lol
what would you recomend for a bulk nvme and aic
celest horizon
Whatever is on sale really https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/?f=flair_name%3A"SSD"
Try running a userbenchmark or a crystaldiskmark
I'm curious how fast the sequential read/write is on that raid volume lol
Main problem with raiding high end nvme ssd's for boot, or any use really, is it increases seek latency and access time
Sequential read or write will nearly double - assuming no other bottle necks, which there often are
But generally - the difference between 4GB/s vs 7 GB/s max read/write isn't noticeable
On an OS drive at least
Just depends on your use case
covert shale
i prob dont need to run it 5 times lol
little osprey
That would be in increments of 4.5gb per stick
terse basin
That would be in increments of 4.5gb per stick
@little osprey means
celest horizon
Just click all and let it run
covert shale
the numbers seem much slower than the firs time i ran it a few months ago lol
fast dust
@terse basin can you run a userbenchmark on that computer and DM me the result link?
celest horizon
Probably because the drives have filled up
covert shale
let me remove this stupid 200gb game ive never played yet lol
celest horizon
After you do that, hit the windows key, type defrag, and run the optimize utility
covert shale
on a ssd?
celest horizon
Yes - because windows sees it as an ssd, it just "TRIM's" it
celest horizon
The HP EX950 on this list seems decent, idk what "good" prices are on 2TB models tbh https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100011693 600038497 601193224&Order=PRICE
All my drives are 500GB
covert shale
i hope something isnt broken lol
here is when i first set this up
and this is now...
wondering if the bios update i just did has something to do with it
celest horizon
Weird that the rand 4k performance is down too
Are the drives running in 4.0 speed?
covert shale
how can i check
celest horizon
Bios will show
celest horizon
Ya, though ssd failure usually isn't instant
Usually you get weird read/write / windows problems
covert shale
like i just did lol
celest horizon
Hopefully it's something else
I'd restart, check the bios settings, and hope for the best
covert shale
im wondering if i should recheck settings. or maybe downgrade my bios back to what it was and re test?
celest horizon
I'd check the overclock.net or Asus ROG forums for posts specific to your board
want an inv to the asus discord? It's kinda dead, but there are motherboard specific text channels
covert shale
yea that would be great
celest horizon
The screenshot with the drives in the volume F: show 4.0 x4 each under transfer mode
covert shale
yeah that was when i first did it. im going to download that exact version again
celest horizon
If you get cdm working with your current setup, I'd look at that field
covert shale
since newest shows no drives and older version shows only ssd
celest horizon
Weird
covert shale
oaky let me check my bios
that version only showed my ssd
brb
Shows both ru Ning at x4
@celest horizon they are claming crystaldiskinfo doesnt support raid lol
but i feel like it clearly did in the other pic
celest horizon
Who's they?
covert shale
idk some forum lol
celest horizon
Rather - it should still read full speeds, but I could believe that cdm or cdi won't see the drive info if you have the raid volume set up in bios
personally - I'd pick up a new 2TB, move all your files over, and reinstall windows on non raid
covert shale
well cdm shows it and runs it
yeah i need more space anyways
oh wait
looky now for cdm
after uninstalling some things and reboot
also turned off the things it said from the one asus guide
turned off CSM
weird how the qdepth 1 read is so low
covert shale
but i guess its pretty close to my first one
but those writes are ass
maybe a heat issue?
celest horizon
possibly
You have it set to only run 1 1GB test, so I don't think throttling would batter
covert shale
yeah. im just cruious now how these drives showed up on cdi before but not now
maybe i had them in a windows raid and not a bios?
also they were not the os drive
celest horizon
Maybe ya, they could've been a striped volume before
covert shale
oh hmm. whats the diffrence between a windows striped and a raid 0 done in bios?
celest horizon
Windows striped is done in software, idk what implementation is used when set up in bios.
There's no real hardware raid controller, I guess the cpu handles it?
covert shale
ahh.
celest horizon
Because it's not over the chipset
covert shale
the m.2 on this board are not chipset?
celest horizon
I'd guess one slot is cpu lanes, the other is chipset
Maybe that mix is the source of these weird issues
X570 block diagram https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14161/X570.png
covert shale
well how they were installed hasnt changed they have always been in those slots. i guess all thats changes is before they were not os drive and were done using windows and now they are os drive and are done in bios
celest horizon
Yep
covert shale
so i guess a 2tb drive would be best
celest horizon
If that's what you need/can afford, I'd say go for it
covert shale
should i do ssd sata or nvme with aic
celest horizon
nvme
covert shale
wonder if theres another tool to check these drives while they are in raid
im a dope lol
doesnt tell me link speed though
covert shale
@celest horizon is it possible to clone what i have now, os and all to my new drive even if its 2tb single drive and not a 1tb raid?
celest horizon
Yes, but I honestly wouldn't
celest horizon
Cloning drives can work, but can be more hassle, and result in hard to troubleshoot issues down the road
covert shale
ahh i see. so prob should just figgure out what i absulutly need to save
celest horizon
ya, could just copy all the files over I'm sure
Couldn't hurt to pick up an 8 or 10TB seagate ironwolf or something for bulk storage
hollow marsh
Hello friends, I’m having an issue with my new build. It’s worked perfectly for three days, but now, 5 minutes after startup, I lose video output. The GPU is in default settings. Temps before it loses output are normal at about 35 degrees C.
Anyone have ideas?
covert shale
is there a meaningful diff between the WD black 256mb cache 4tb and a ironwolf?
sand falcon
Depends on what you will be doing
covert shale
that drive will likely hold mostly games and i guess some 1080p video if i ever start recording my streams
aside from that drive ill have 2x sabrent pcie gen4 500gb drives and prob another nvme like 1-2tb
celest horizon
WD has been sketchy lately sneaking SMR drives into their WD Red lineup, for that reason alone I'd go with seagate
But performance and reliability wise (aside from that issue), ironwolf and Red are pretty even
covert shale
i remember the read on WD.
celest horizon
Seagate has not done that on NAS drives afaik
covert shale
do i need/want a single nas drive in my pc though? wasnt sure if they were actually used outside a real nas env
also isnt there a performance diffrence between nas and not nas drives?
celest horizon
I'd go to tomshardware, andandtech to read storage reviews as well
STH is great, but not that consumer oriented
covert shale
ill see what i can find on tomshardware
i dont see anything not 2 years old on their site lol
warm gate
can someone build me a pc with a budget or 1200$
stoic island
Need periphals or monitor?
warm gate
nope just pc
sudden turret
1200 is a decent budget
warm gate
a little bit of everything
sudden turret
USD?
warm gate
whats that
sudden turret
-_-
warm gate
sorry lol
warm gate
ohhhhh my bad
warm gate
american
sudden turret
huge difference lol
warm gate
i know lol
warm gate
rgb but it doesnt have to
warm gate
thank you so much
potent prairie
oh lol
warm gate
yes its good
potent prairie
I thought ßox was the dude
stoic island
...
potent prairie
1200cad
My bad lol
stoic island
how do you not recognize boxy
potent prairie
These role colors are messing with me, that's all
stoic island
lol
potent prairie
I think of that shade of green as member lol
potent prairie
ik, but connotations from other servers
stoic island
aight
spiral zealot
thoughts on a co-workers build, roughly $800 budget, wants something with basic streaming/VR capability and some RGB, sent me the parts list to review, figured i'd ask for a second opinion - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QT6qFG
the 2 pack of 140's are for the front of the case, since it's not the mesh version
sand falcon
Could get a better SSD
spiral zealot
yeah, i'm not really either. the rear fan is locked at 120, so i thought matching the top/rear was most important
and then the 140's up front will be hidden, and should provide a little more intake
sand falcon
Is there a coolermaster 140 available?
spiral zealot
they have 140 versions of the same RGB fans, but they're almost $30 each
there's a cheaper RGB 140, but it's $20 each and has mediocre reviews
the cooler master non rgb 140's are out of stock
sand falcon
Darn
spiral zealot
i guess could potentially do 120's up front as well
coolermaster sells a 3 pack of the RGB
plus a single
i don't know how visible the front fans will be in that case, but would throw some ambient light back into the case at the very least
oh derp
I need a fan hub
mobo apparenly only has 2 fan headers
plus a single "CPU RGB" header
spiral zealot
just dropped the single RGB fan, the 3-pack comes with ARGB/power splitters
to run all 3 off a single fan and rgb header
2 intake, one exhaust should be fine
round lance
Im looking for recommendations for a new case. I currently have a HP Compaq 8000 Elite and just had to upgrade my graphics card to the NVidia Quadro p2000. Unfortunately, the graphics card does not fit into the standard case. I don't need anything fancy or with flashing lights, clear panels just something I can move all the components into so that my graphics card is inside a case.
cursive wharf
@spiral zealot dont do RGB and you get a much better system
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7TFbMc
spiral zealot
oh, definitely, but they want RGB
it's not a build for me, otherwise i wouldn't bother
dapper sun
fr
arctic jungle
it's so much better than spending 50% extra for parts with rgb
dapper sun
"I got glowing ram sticks, I'm better than you"
stoic island
Interesting
spiral zealot
again, not my machine, just trying to work with what they want to do
dapper sun
spiral zealot
but i might try and talk them into the oloy rgb ram
that's like 65 bucks or something
arctic jungle
"instead of glowing ram sticks, I have 4000 mHz base clock ram" @dapper sun
spiral zealot
instead of the $95 corsair stuff
stoic island
...
cursive wharf
just get RGB fans and nothing else.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qYfnDx
RGB on anything else is a waste of money
stoic island
uphere fans are back eh
cursive wharf
probs should've gone with three pack tbh, that case doesnt even support 5 fans
spiral zealot
i originally thought of recommending the deepcool case as well, but apparently cable management in it is crap, and the phanteks case is $10 off right now
cursive wharf
already going with CV
so cables look not that great anyways
based on looks the case good enough cable management. Has some holes and store rest of cables in 3.5"
dapper sun
@arctic jungle That's the way to go. I was mocking the community members who think rgb makes your system better
arctic jungle
lol
dapper sun
did I hear glowing ddr5 ram? 😮
arctic jungle
thats 600$ for 16 gbs
buoyant flame
aight, my brother needs a new laptop for school. Only got 400 bucks to spend tho so i was thinking this one with another 4gb stick
any thoughts?
I figured a 3200u was the way to go
inland atlas
@buoyant flame i got that laptop for my nephew
buoyant flame
oh ya?
inland atlas
its p sexy for the price
buoyant flame
how is it
inland atlas
its great for school nice and thin
buoyant flame
ya, 3200u is pretty nice
inland atlas
gets around 8 hours of battery
buoyant flame
He doesn't really need storage so im thinking its a no brainer considering it has an ssd
still gonna pop another 4gb in there tho
only like 20 bucks
buoyant flame
he says he can do 450 now
so im thinking this one
won't need to upgrade anything
spiral zealot
and it should run dual channel
iirc that system has 4gb soldered, and a single upgradeable slot that comes with a 4gb stick
buoyant flame
I believe your correct but it doesn't really matter anymore lol @spiral zealot
spiral zealot
just saying, if 8gb ends up not being enough, you can do some upgrading, but not that much
it being dual channel is the most important thing though
buoyant flame
oh, you were talking about the second one?
spiral zealot
yeah
spiral zealot
the acer is definitely single channel, and only comes with a single 4gb stick, but has an empty slot
buoyant flame
i misread your first message
spiral zealot
the lenovo is dual channel out of the box, but one channel is soldered
buoyant flame
alright, well he definately doesnt need more than 8gb lol
otherwise it looks good right?
spiral zealot
yeah the ideapads are solid
buoyant flame
aight thanks
hidden relic
working on helping a nephew build for around $500 or so. this is what i have so far. thoughts improvements?
stoic island
Prob better to have a 512gb SSD instead of HDD only
hidden relic
i know i just started putting it together.
i have the psu for him so he doesnt have to buy it. he said he can spend a little more than 500
stoic island
but anyways today it's gonna be hard getting it to 500$
600$ is doable
Unless you go used
hidden relic
microcenter has the ryzen 5 for 159. but maybe i should downgrade to the ryzen 3
hidden relic
what about the video card
little leaf
stoic island
@hidden relic how much exactly can they spend, and what do you already have?
little leaf
stoic island
It's always an option for optiplex + GPU
hidden relic
thanks guys. like the ssd change. looking at the 3 buying options
stoic island
example: Optiplex+SSD+Ram+GPU
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KxXVp8
little osprey
what is a good cpu for a 3k pc?
stoic island
Depends on what you do with the PC
stoic island
Prob 10900k
stoic island
Purely gaming Intel wins in the high end
little osprey
true i will do some editing but not alot
stoic island
Eh, AMD just dominates the value sector
little osprey
Yeah.
eager chasm
Generally big you are spending 3K you can go for the more expensive options without worrying about the value.
little osprey
Okay, thanks for all the help!
eager chasm
Some games that are fully multi-threaded might benifit from a Ryzen cpu more, but not many games are fully multi-threaded, but games are starting to head that way more and more
stoic island
10c20t does just fine tho
agile bear
What would happen if I put two gen 4 ssds in raid?
fast dust
@gaunt igloo efficiency rating doesn’t equal quality. There are 80+ bronze and gold power supplies that are hot garbage. Check the pins in #cases-psu-and-cooling to see a tier list. Tier C is bare minimum for pretty much anything over $400 with a DGPU imo and over that is better.
TT smart is tier D, which means it’s “potentially dangerous”. I’d get a new PSU if I were you
Too many people cheap out on power supplies and suffer from it. I’ve seen to too many times. You might be okay for a little but with that power supply, but I’d still say that’s the first thing to replace in your machine.
buoyant flame
Listen to that ^
fast dust
I’ve been trying to make a YouTube video about that topic but have been putting it off. Maybe today’s the day I stop procrastinating on it lol
@agile bear your wallet would be sad
agile bear
I only need another one
fast dust
Why do you want raid
agile bear
Because it’s stupid and overkill
analog hearth
Do I absolutely have to go into safe mode to use DDU?
sand falcon
What would happen if I put two gen 4 ssds in raid?
@agile bear There's an LTT video with something like that
agile bear
What would be more cursed a athlon cpu with a gen 4 ssd or a threadripper 64 core with a tape drive
sand falcon
Athlon doesn't have enough pcie 4.0 lanes
Threadripper with a tape drive would be perfectly normal, thuogh I think an Epyc chip would be more likely to have it
There's the storage video
sand falcon
Oh, only a tape drive would be odd
slender owl
Better cpu or gpu for gaming and streaming pc?
fast dust
My 1600 AF streams well
If I ever upgrade to 1660 super I’ll try GPU encoding or whatever it is and see if that makes a difference
Speaking of, I might livestream today...
sand falcon
Does 1660s have the nvenc hardware?
slender owl
So a 2070 super and a 7 3700x should be fine then?
slender owl
Guess I’d rather have a bit of overkill then just barely having enough
sand falcon
If you have the budget, I agree
slender owl
So what does gaming use then? Cpu or gpu?
agile bear
How bad would it look to have a custom gpu loop and a cpu aio in a system?
agile bear
The rgb flashes between red and white
fast dust
I love it soo muuuch
Mirror’s Edge catalyst my second favorite game of all time. Original game is probably 3rd
agile bear
First game doesn’t run well on modern monitors
fast dust
Yeah and I feel it’s mechanics were a little iffy
But it’s still got that really nice feeling that the mirror’s Edge Games all have
agile bear
Big fan of titanfall so parkour is always fun
fast dust
Never played
agile bear
2 is worth playing and people still playin
fast dust
Maybe i gotta try it out 
agile bear
But would it look worse or better with a custom gpu loop?
agile bear
You are probably right
fast dust
If you think it’d look better with custom loop, go for it
agile bear
I’ll wait for my next build to try it out
fast dust
Alright then man good luck with it