Easy. Every OS has a default place it puts user directory. Put it on the HDD
#building-and-recc-chat
coarse moth
foggy hazel
@humble jacinth the long story short (for the price difference) is different market segments
fast dust
Yep it's a matter of personal preference
foggy hazel
IF AMD has a card as fast as a 2080 TI, it would cost roughly the same
because consumers have shown they are willing to pay X amount for Y performance
does that make sense ?
humble jacinth
yep, thanks
foggy hazel
no problem
humble jacinth
@foggy hazel can I send you my part picker list to get your opinion?
polar goblet
@stoic island
Alrighty the last thing I need is a psu. You say the G3 EVGA isn’t a good one?
Why is that?
I’ve been running G2 and G3 on my mining rigs, did I goof by buying those?
foggy hazel
you can, i will post it here so other people can see it too, if you dont mind @humble jacinth ?
humble jacinth
thats cool, thanks
foggy hazel
np
on behalf of @humble jacinth https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zK38CL
the standard question to ask you is this: Any special reason for any of the specific parts?
humble jacinth
mainly cost
foggy hazel
also, do you own any of the parts already?
humble jacinth
nope
foggy hazel
2sec
@stoic island you had a 1k build didnt you?
next question: does it have to be Intel for the cpu?
humble jacinth
I've never had anything other than intel, but I also haven't built a computer in probably 10 years
foggy hazel
okay, so not opposed to Amd?
humble jacinth
No, it just has to be good for gaming
foggy hazel
fair
polar goblet
@humble jacinth
I was the same way lol.
Intel only.
Now that I’m building my first beast of a machine I’m swapping to AMD
fast dust
AMD offers better price to performance now
foggy hazel
next question: Do you currently have a headset/headphone/stand-alone mic? if yes, is it usb or minijack based?
humble jacinth
I have a corsair wireless usb headset
foggy hazel
ok
foggy hazel
next: is there a reason you dont have storage in your list?
stoic island
Want me to make a 1000$ build?
humble jacinth
Because I already have storage then I'm swapping over from my current PC
foggy hazel
would be appreciated @stoic island
stoic island
USD correct?
humble jacinth
Yeah, I have a 1TB Samsung EVO 870
foggy hazel
fair
foggy hazel
just based on rough napkin math, it should be possible to get at least a 2060 Super instead of the 2060
stoic island
hmm I remember fitting a 2070super in 1000$
Temp list :
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s4Ny3t
1060$ rn
humble jacinth
Well then ya'll are geniuses...lol
stoic island
You're welcome
cursive wharf
@stoic island save a bit of money on RAM
foggy hazel
ive fixed that
still roostBOT
Brian S.#2472 has been warned
foggy hazel
@humble jacinth your budget limit is ?
cursive wharf
I also wonder perf of 3600+5700xt vs 1600af+2070S
humble jacinth
right around where @stoic island has it
modern shadow
@stoic island thats a fair amount of bottleneck, im guessing... or not cuz idk much about bottleneck
stoic island
I have a preference for Nvidia.
Usually people want to be ABLE to stream on demand
ya know
foggy hazel
strip the storage, and go with what you have, and upgrade to a 3600
humble jacinth
only thing he doesnt have in there is a cpu fan
foggy hazel
there is one with the cpu
stoic island
Stock cooler on AMD are good enough.
cursive wharf
Stock CPU fan
humble jacinth
oh gotcha
cursive wharf
Tho, could go with different 2070S, better cooling for around same price?
Unless you like FE
foggy hazel
its a placeholder really, as i see it
stoic island
No good 500$ ones sadly
foggy hazel
its practical, because it stays in stock
stoic island
Usually I would go for the Gigabyte windforce whatever its called
the 3 fan one
but it's not in stock
foggy hazel
aye
but the long story short for you @humble jacinth, thats a starting point
that is a fair bit faster vs what you started with :)
humble jacinth
Thanks
crude otter
Ok, sorry for the away time, checking in while at work, so what case would be better for airflow than the h710i
humble jacinth
@foggy hazel so when I change the processor to the 3600 I get this message:
Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.
should I worry? lol
foggy hazel
nope, that is a generic message, it isnt valid for that mainboard
humble jacinth
Ok, cool.
calm lake
Hello, just curious to what I should build/get with a 2-3k budget if anyone has any suggestions, haven’t done any pc building or anything since 2015 so I’m kinda clueless at this point
stoic island
@dim steeple 2-3k usd?
calm lake
Yes
stoic island
Any preferences I should know beforehand?
stoic island
Gaming only?
calm lake
For the majority
stoic island
Yea, do you stream, record, or anything like that at all?
calm lake
I’m not a streamer and don’t record lol
Just an average joe that wants a fat gaming rig if I’m honest
cursive wharf
Include monitor, peripherals, etc?
calm lake
Sure why not, but I’d like to see what kind of tower I can get for 2-3k
stoic island
Hei, it might be finally time that an intel build makes sense XD
cursive wharf
Which btw, if you're spending 2k on a system you better have a 1440 @ 144Hz
At least
stoic island
I'm gonna aim for ~2500 or below
and leave 500$ for monitor and stuff
Do you need wifi?
cursive wharf
But yeah, 9900k seems fair. Tho, AM4 and it's upgradeability is still nice
calm lake
Would be direct connect
stoic island
Hei, we gotta diversify the lists we put out there xD
cursive wharf
Probably
stoic island
@foggy hazel If you got a moment, what was that board you said was good value for Intel chips?
cursive wharf
z370/90 for OCing
cursive wharf
Just needed to clarify that for him. Cuz it could be some cheap b365 board he could think off right off the bat cuz could be 9400f or smth
calm lake
I have 3tb currently on an older build and it’s plenty
But it’s old so there’s no ssd (don’t judge)
stoic island
Are you planning on migrating any storage?
foggy hazel
@stoic island you mean the "intel" variant of the TUF?
stoic island
Yes
calm lake
What do you mean exactly?
stoic island
Well idealy it would be z390
but Idr intel chipsets and all
Thomas, any preferences on case?
idk I'm slapping in random expensive stuff now
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2BdFq3
(missing motherboard still)
calm lake
Ideally black or , white if RGB capable components
foggy hazel
@stoic island https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WQJtt6/asrock-b365-phantom-gaming-4-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b365-phantom-gaming-4 <- that the one you are thinking about?
foggy hazel
aye, if you want to go higher, yes:)
stoic island
Naed, you think there should be 16gb or 32gb or ram
rn I'm putting in dark pros for b die reasons
foggy hazel
aye aye
its the old, i prefer amount vs speed
and 2 stick vs 4 because upgrading down the line
but you know my stance on this already @stoic island :)
stoic island
Yea... But idrk bc intel doesn't quite care about freq above 3200, and likes the latency
foggy hazel
true
foggy hazel
but again, as i showed you the other day
foggy hazel
the difference from worst to best is not really anything to write home about
sure, it makes a benchmark score go up
but .... yeah
but, i am 100% aware that is my personal take/preference speaking here
foggy hazel
that seems reasonable
stoic island
The board choice is only because I'm a MSI fanboy and IDK z390 boards :p
Tomahawk lineup seems to be built for OCing.
foggy hazel
aye, or at least marketed towards that segment
stoic island
But thats built off of assumptions from their x570 and b450 Tomahawks with their VRMs.
foggy hazel
its close enough to reality :)
stoic island
heres the list with a monitor
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x82rn7
foggy hazel
looks reasonable enough
foggy hazel
@crude otter you should be able to post it yourself by now :)
foggy hazel
your name is blue = permission to post links :)
crude otter
Sweet, thanks
foggy hazel
its to prevent random link spam that we have it like that :)
keep in mind, that is actually the wrong mainboard
correct one
crude otter
Nice catch, didnt notice the mini on there
foggy hazel
neither did i the other times :)
kind shuttle
@foggy hazel should I be concerned about BIOS updates or something
crude otter
The one in looking at is the bundle with the processor
foggy hazel
@kind shuttle with the Pro Gaming mainboard?
no
let me show you a build i just put together @crude otter
here is an updated version with wifi
the reason for no HDD is the following: it is easy to add in later on
its basically a 3-4 minute job
and it frees up some budget for pushing the GPU higher
crude otter
Yeah, I see that, on the ssd, what's the main difference besides the price
crude otter
And I noticed the ram speed update
foggy hazel
aye
stoic island
oh my, this is a thing at cl14
foggy hazel
think of my list as "yours" with the "fluff" trimmed away and used to boost the other parts in various places @crude otter
also a nice and "reasonable" price @stoic island
stoic island
Just surprised to see that when I clicked on the "cl14" option
foggy hazel
:)
crude otter
So, looking at the two GPU's, performance in standard games seems pretty marginal, but the few games supporting dlss got huge boosts with the 2070 super
stoic island
Which two?
crude otter
5700xt vs 2070 super
stoic island
Ah of course
DLSS might become the next big thing.
Especially for higher resolutions
crude otter
Yeah, so wouldnt be a bad idea for a GPU that supports it
humble jacinth
anyone ever use the Zotac brand GPU?
foggy hazel
@humble jacinth yes
crude otter
Is there any major differences between the asus tuf and the gigabyte x570?
foggy hazel
@crude otter the asus tuf b450m you mean? and the gigabyte x570?
ah, your x570 tuf is what you meant
price mainly
crude otter
Asus tuf x570
foggy hazel
and there are some details that are different, but
that will have to wait
it is now 00:25, and i am going to bed :)
have a good one
crude otter
That's fine, was just curious cause the gigabyte one was just the wifi one offered in the bundle from newegg
Gn
proven plank
I heard someone was trying to build a pc for 200$
little osprey
Ez
sullen spoke
lol
olive pulsar
hey all, new member of the discord...just ordered some upgrades for my PC and need some help
proven plank
Thanks itech
olive pulsar
I have a new MB, CPU and RAM on the way and wanted to know if there is any way that I can install these without having to reinstall Windows?
sullen spoke
You should just be able to move the drive to the new pc
olive pulsar
So windows will be able to boot correctly with a completely different motherboard?
sullen spoke
It should be able to boot, although there may be an issue with activation
im not sure tho
little osprey
Anyone here know how to fix the memory managment blue screen?
little osprey
damn anyone else?
sullen spoke
There are a lot of possible causes and fixes I would say google the error code
little osprey
I did and ran the memo digno that it said I have the file report and I am wondering what the stuff means
latent storm
i’ll leave my side panel off lol
is it like bad enough to compromise the card running too hot
little osprey
Yea it poped with something, it says that I need to contact the manufacturer because of hardware, but I just got it back from the computer store after they upgraded it with the stuff Naed told me to get
sullen spoke
Well in that case there shouldn’t be issues that I’m aware of
It crashes while in windows or on startup?
little osprey
it crushed twice now, but only when I was redownloading my games off of steam
sullen spoke
I’d probably get back to Naed if that’s the case
little osprey
@foggy hazel you awake/alive?
crude otter
He went to bed azami
little osprey
depressing
slate socket
Hello everyone, was recommended to Discord from Newegg on Facebook. I need some assistance with building a budgeted gaming PC from scratch. Currently have one from 2014 that was prebuilt and it's running it's course. Can pull up current specs shortly.
stoic island
@slate socket Sadly, you can't post links at a low level. You can DM me links/pictures and I can post them here on your behalf.
slate socket
Thanks for that heads up. Currently at work, but can send you links as soon as I can
sullen spoke
you can't post links anymore?
I thought I was still able to post links when I was demoted to rookie :p
little osprey
Is anyone in here a techie that is not named or has the tags?
little osprey
like one that has their status turned to off online like myself
buoyant flame
Awe man I almost found out what mr1111 real identity was
Stupid automatic redaction software
sullen spoke
idk about how you got this ram upgrade but https://i.imgur.com/vQrQyew.png
trail knot
soo
trail knot
i need a pretty good pc for around 1k
im trying to play league mostly but doom maybe, dota, and possibly 2077
um
ping me if you can help
strong yoke
looking for a good pc for cheap
mid tower works
but like
if possible
nothing over 1000
slate socket
Mr1111 how do I send u the pics of my computer specs?
stoic island
You can DM it to me and I can post it on your behalf.
dats quite a few
@slate socket soo what about these specs do you need advice on?
slate socket
I'm trying to get fresh upgrades, I want to build my own PC. I game World of Warcraft on my current PC pretty decently, have a GeForce 1080 I think graphics card, 8GB of RAM too. I've added some stuff on it over the years and I just need something new.
stoic island
So you want to build new but with some leftover parts?
slate socket
No, brand new, from scratch. That Kingston SSD is plugged into my computer at the moment, may add that on to the new setup
stoic island
That's what I mean, like keeping your ssd, and keeping your GPU
but everything else new.
modern shadow
What do everyone think of the Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300x?
slate socket
Yes that is about it. I'm wanting to make a career of computer work, like repair and IT stuff, so I'm slowly learning this stuff on my own.
slate socket
Thanks for that, always wondered what the correct term was
modern shadow
thats the first step : )
stoic island
Well I think 3100 can replace 1600af for budget gaming builds
slate socket
Throw me any suggestions you guys can think of
modern shadow
what kind of suggestions
empty patio
Hey guys need some help. I'm upgrading my 5 year old build. 4930k, rampage Iv mobo, r9 295x build.
Planning on going 3900x, Asus TUF x570, and 2070 super. Need help choosing which 2070 super to go for if I wanted max performance for under $550 and wondering if this ram I chose is good to a company the parts I've chosen so far.
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232491?item=N82E16820232491
I know it says Intel but it's confirmed to work with am4 and on the mobo I chose' QVL.
modern shadow
The best performance RTX 2070 super is actually a RX 5700 XT, if you don't care about ray tracing and Nvidia's features.
@empty patio
empty patio
I've just been reading alot about driver issues.
I'd like to try out ray tracing and an Nvidia card for a change.
stoic island
Nvidia also has NVENC in it's favor
and also, For gaming, the 3900x wouldn't exactly be fully utilized at all
stoic island
It's just completely unnecessary for gaming
no games I know can utilize more than 6 cores well
empty patio
I know
stoic island
so
why?
Because you can utilise that money to get better performance in games
Like upgrading to a 2080 super
cursive wharf
There is a lot to do with maxing perf or more enjoyable experience. Better then stock cooler for less noise, b-die mem for better lows in games, better GPU for overall better perf in games, add in another SSD for more storage or faster loading times, get a better PSU if your is sketch (note: just because it has an 80+ gold rating and is from a reputable brand means nothing in terms of actual PSU quality), etc
fast dust
Dang way to subtly say the EVGA GD series is bad
cursive wharf
I mean, it is missing UVP (under voltage protection) and has a sleeve bearing fan for the US 2019 one (there are like 4+ different GD models)
So, not that great quality
empty patio
why?
@stoic island I'm not only doing gaming, I want to make sure I'm getting as close to topping out on the cpu as I can afford. 2070s will be enough for me for the gaming aspect.
stoic island
explain?
proper ore
how reliable is heaven bench for cmoparing systems
eager chasm
Most benchmarks like that are decent at comparing systems
eager chasm
The free version of time spy and firestrike also works well
cold sorrel
The few RGB parts in my build, I'm intending to set the lighting to purple.
quick wren
I have my PSU (the only RGB part in my case) set to purple, one of my mice is set to color cycle, the other mouse and the keyboard only does red
(yes, my desktop has two mice - an Anker vertical mouse for 90% of the time, and a Logitech G203 for the occasional gaming, because trying to game with a vertical mouse doesn't really work well)
and all the peripherals are connected to my KVM so I can use a real keyboard and mouse with my work Macbook Pro, I refuse to use the worst keyboard to ever be included in a laptop any more than I have to.
lyric thistle
Vertical mouse?
jagged ember
its like those ergonomic mice that are really tall
quick wren
I have carpal tunnel. I use a vertical mouse most of the time (the grip's rotated about 80 degrees to the right to keep my wrist in a better position)
hardy cairn
anybody here built a liquid cooled pc before?
quick wren
usually don't see the point - unless you have some fairly exotic requirements, the best heat pipe coolers on the market will generally outperform water cooling by a fair margin in both noise and thermals
Of course, depends on what you are trying to cool, the high end heat pipes are going to be the best coolers for up to about 180-200W TDP
hardy cairn
interesting. I do a lot of rendering, and recently had my house burn up. looking into building my second pc.
quick wren
What sort of CPU / GPU are you trying to cool and what's the TDP on it?
quick wren
that's well within the operating range where heat pipes are going to be more efficient.
hardy cairn
thanks for the advice!
quick wren
even with a fairly decent overclock, a cooler that can handle something like 180W is going to be more than enough
and if you are rendering, you probably don't want to risk more than mild overclocking, if you even OC at all
hardy cairn
ok, good to know. So, if this were your build, would you go through the hassle of liquid cooling, or would you just stick with a solid air cooled setup?
quick wren
you do want some headroom over the rated 95W though, because boost clocks are potentially going to push it over the rated TDP
safe field
cough 9900k cough
cursive wharf
because things like target temp and ambient temp arent stated
and as for CPUs, you need to look into whether it is using boost clocks or not for their TDP
quick wren
I'd look for reviews to tell you how the cooler you are looking at performs in the real world with that CPU
but, there's definitely heatpipe setups that will cope well with a 9900k without going to the hassle of watercooling, just do your homework first
cursive wharf
cheapest cooler that is decent for a 9900k would be Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B
also note, watercooling performs -5% to 1% better in noise normalized perf then good air coolers on average
watercooling as in AIOs
decent custom loop would get you lower noise/slightly lower temps
hardy cairn
thanks for the advice guys. I'm wondering something though, because of RandomHyper's comment. are there problems with the 9900k? honestly I've been out of the rig building for a few years.
cursive wharf
It's overpriced by a lot
hardy cairn
ah ok.
cursive wharf
consumes probs about 200w - 250w if moderate OC (~5GHz all core OC)
quick wren
right now AMD ranges from competitive to blowing intel out of the water across most of the market segments, while Intel's been resting on top of their market lead, AMD's actually been innovating, and now Intel's trying to play catch up.
cursive wharf
Unless it's for workstation workloads that are Intel optimized, no real reason to go 9900k tbh. Gaming is about the only thing that 9900k wins at, by about 3 frames more compared to 3700x, starting from 160fps or so. Completely unnoticeable unless benchmarking
celest horizon
How much do you expect the 9900k oc at say 5.0 all core to draw?
quick wren
That said, it will ultimately depend specifically on the workload and whether the software you need to use is heavily Intel-optimized.
cursive wharf
wasnt it ~200w? @celest horizon
celest horizon
that's more of the edge I'd say
quick wren
when Ryzen first came out, it lagged behind on single core and had a slight advantage on all-core performance and core counts, gaps which they've closed or in some cases taken the lead in subsequent generations
celest horizon
Bit more than 3 frames when you take into account how "tweaking friendly" each platform is
quick wren
now intel only retains their single core lead at the absolute top end, in parts that cost 1.5-2X as much as "comparable"AMD parts (and while giving off twice as much heat)
cursive wharf
sometimes, yeah. But again, even if 30 frames more, 10x that 3, you're on average starting at 160fps with a 3700x. Going from 160 to 190 isnt noticable by much
hardy cairn
interesting. got some stuff to think about. most of the programs I use are optimized for intel, (I think) but I've got no problem checking out AMD. the last rig I built was about 4-5 years ago, and I'm behind the times in what's hot right now. thanks for the info everybody!
cursive wharf
There is optimized for intel, and "optimized" for intel
lyric thistle
That's a fascinating design for a mouse, pretty neat that it helps with such conditions
hardy cairn
true
cursive wharf
As in, 80% perf increase or just 3% perf increase given clockspeeds and IPC over AMD
dense bane
hey guys i was wondering if i need a specific mobo for the corsair air 540 computer case
quick wren
try to find some benchmarks with the software you intend to use, it's quite likely, although not guaranteed that you'll be able to find better price/performance with something AMD
safe field
@dense bane case and motherboard compatibility is determined by size/form factor
Air 540 is a standard ATX case so it will support ATX/micro-ATX/mini-ITX boards
dense bane
alrighty thanks
hardy cairn
man you guys weren't kidding. AMD is really rocking it right now! I'm not a huge overclocker, I just do some intensive rendering every once in a while. It's looking like AMD 3900x is a pretty decent little chip.
quick wren
for premiere pro at least, a Ryzen 9 3900X is a better deal than a 9900k
hardy cairn
houdini too.
quick wren
davinci resolve as well
again though, google for reviews with all the software you use in your workflows
dense bane
for streaming + gaming what would you recommend ryzen or intel?
obv it would be 3900x vs 9900
little osprey
I was thinking of turbo boosting my i7 7700 but have a 550w psu and already have my graphics card overclock should I be good turbo boosting?
hardy cairn
thanks guys, back when I was building my last pc people were all pissy with amd for some reason, so I never thought to consider them on my next one. things change quick in a few years.
quick wren
AMD was able to come from behind because while intel got complacent, AMD bet everything on R&D
compact hill
Ryzen first gen was good but still kinda meh for pure performance
quick wren
had AMD done that while intel wasn't sitting on their asses, they'd have still lost, but because of how stagnant intel has been, it worked.
hardy cairn
ah this is exciting! I haven't done this in a while. it sucks that my last build burned down with the house, but I forgot how exciting it is to build your own pc, ya know?
quick wren
Intel thought they'd won, and that AMD was too far gone to ever be competitive again. That was pretty much their big mistake.
hardy cairn
Ok, I've got a very important question. this one's a doozy so prepare yourselves. . .
what''s the coolest case you think I should use?
lyric thistle
Cardboard box
quick wren
that primarily depends on your aesthetic, and how much you are willing to sacrifice function for form honestly.
There is no best case because so much of picking a case is a matter of taste.
hardy cairn
I know, it was more of a joke than anything else.
lyric thistle
Well depending on the meaning of coolest, it might be function over form
quick wren
There are plenty of objectively bad ones out there, but there's also so many good ones that it's really hard to offer a recommendation.
hardy cairn
from what I understand about building your own pc, it should preferably have a fifteen step bootup sequence with needless spinning parts. some fog coming out of it, and while running, should be noticeable by the international space station with the naked eye.
quick wren
for me, it was about finding something that was as clean as possible, which didn't draw attention to itself.
lime forge
from what i understand about pc building, L shaped connector goes in L shaped hole, fat wire goes in fat port, ram goes to the right of whatever the heck that square thingy does, and a minimum of $300 must be spent on fans
hardy cairn
you're not wrong Zack
quick wren
my fiancee also just did a build, she went with a white Fractal Design Focus G, I went with a NZXT H510 that's as close to a plain matte black box as I could get it.
just a matter of taste
hardy cairn
In reality my case on my first pc was incredibly plain. just a flashy logo that lit on the front fan. I wanted to be able to take it somewhere and set it up without people thinking it looked expensive. That's probably what I'll do here.
lime forge
anyways to answer your question here are some cool looking cases
https://www.newegg.com/black-corsair-crystal-series-280x-micro-atx-case/p/N82E16811139129 (i really like this one and think it would look fantastic with RGB fans)
https://www.newegg.com/white-corsair-carbide-series-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811139116 (i have this one but in black, not really flashy or cool, but it has a LOT of features for a relatively cheap price)
i forgot to mention, i also have that case in the first link
i used it to build my Dad's PC
hardy cairn
I was going to say I love that first one
lime forge
its a very heavy case, however i love the all glass design as it shows everything inside your PC with all the flashy lights and all that stuff lol
its actually really cheap considering how much glass there is in it...
quick wren
hardy cairn
true
lime forge
just be prepared for a workout moving it lol
one sec
ill send some pics of what it would look like with a PC inside of it
hardy cairn
awesome! that looks really cool!
lime forge
theres a ton of space in the case, especially in the back. Theres about an inch of thickness in the back for cable management and even hard drives, which youd be able to fit a lot into it
i only have one complaint, and that is that there is no PSU shroud
lyric thistle
Nekked
lime forge
that area is kinda ugly... but most people dont look down there anyways
oh and if you do end up getting that cas
case*
hardy cairn
true, there's so much other cool stuff to see in there
lime forge
i recommend Thermaltake Pure 12's and 14's for fans as they go for $50 for a 3 pack and theyre really good fans imo
soooooo the case only supports putting in 3 120mm fans up front or 2 140mm fans. BUT, with a simple mod that requires no cutting at all, you can fit 3 140's up front. one sec, i lll find a picture of the thing we added
quick wren
posted mine in #build-pics , nothing special really
lime forge
i9 9900x, Asus Prime x299 II, 128gb 3200mhz (8x16) 16-18-18-38 G.Skill Trident Z RGB, Strix 2070, and an assortment of SSDs and hard drives
hardy cairn
it's clean looking though. @quick wren simple is often better aesthetically.
lime forge
you can see here is the little metal bar we had that we just stuck in there and it worked perfectly
the back side is a rats nest of cable "management" because i didnt try
hardy cairn
nice! you guys did a good job!
lime forge
but its the front that matters :D
thanks!
oh i forgot, the PSU is a Thermaltake ToughPower PF1 ARGB 1050w 80+ Platinum
🎆
@celest horizon
lol
hardy cairn
I'll show you the case on my old one. that one was a 970 ti with a 5790k and bunch of other stuff
that i forgot
I gotta look it up, give me a moment
lime forge
take your time
lime forge
woahhh
thats the most hard drive and 5.25" drive spaces ive seen in a long time
thats a really good selection of front panel connectors too
safe field
Sometimes I wish I could get a case with no front I/O so I could add my own 5.25" drive to it
lyric thistle
Server rac
hardy cairn
that's an interesting idea.
quick wren
I probably will go that route next time, as I'll hopefully be buying a house by that point and will have room for 19" racks
hardy cairn
that's hot
safe field
😍
quick wren
if I get to build the house custom, I'm going to have a server closet between the offices, arranged in such a way our desks are backed against the server closet, so that all the noise can live outside the room. 🙂
hardy cairn
that'd be awesome
quick wren
would be better for streaming and videoconferencing at the very least
hardy cairn
well you guys have helped me a ton tonight. thanks a lot. I'm going to go to bed so I can get to work in the morning. you're all awesome! goodnight.
lime forge
cya later, goodnight :)
willow cobalt
Hey guys
I am about to buy a cpu and motherboard and wondering what case I would need
i'd like a nice one with space for rgb fans, and would be nice if you could recommend some fans for it to
AMD RYZEN 7 3800X 8-Core 3.9 GHz (4.5 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 105W 100-100000025BOX Desktop Processor
ASUS AMD AM4 ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX Motherboard with PCIe 4.0, WiFi 6, 2.5Gbps LAN, Dual M.2, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.2 ...
items in my cart right now
sudden turret
willow cobalt
that looks nice asf
sudden turret
yeah the level 20s are OP.
willow cobalt
no compatibility issues?
had a bit of an issue last time lmao
and does my motherboard support nvme?
thanks for your help btw
@sudden turret you there?
sudden turret
calm down : p
willow cobalt
sorry lol
sudden turret
no worries.
willow cobalt
550w powersupply good for that?
i am using a gtx 1060
sudden turret
plan on upgrading it in the future?
willow cobalt
not really
sudden turret
probably sufficient then.
sharp blaze
My PSU has 2 8 pin plugs, my GPU has 1 8pin slot...
Does it matter which end I plug in?
sharp blaze
@sudden turret thank you!
sudden turret
usually I use the first one, and zip tie the end cable to the other
so it's not dangling.
sharp blaze
Thats a great idea. I appreciate you
sudden turret
just kinda mold/bend it into place before you attach it to the gpu
that way you aren't putting stress on the gpu power port
sharp blaze
You're awesome! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
atomic marten
Is be quiet system power 9(500w) good for rx 570 and ryzen 3 1200?
foggy hazel
@little osprey i am now. What can i help with?
eager chasm
@atomic marten yea that's good enough, those parts aren't very power hungry
But if you ever upgrade to a high end system you will want more than 500W
foggy hazel
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DYjvhg <- @formal karma
its a bit more quiet over here (at this part of the day)
formal karma
unless i go buy a butcher block and do one of those open air aesthetic builds im seeing
foggy hazel
it is YOUR parts (aside from the psu), from the newegg wishlist you sent me
formal karma
true
foggy hazel
a series of questions for you:
what are you going to use it for?
do you actually need wifi?
formal karma
No I dont.
foggy hazel
what is more important, performance or looks?
formal karma
Performance and being quiet are my priorities. or as quiet as it can.
foggy hazel
we can make it real darn quiet, if we want :)
formal karma
Im mostly plan on using it for gaming/work. I am a lighting designer so I use a bunch of different CAD like programs to facilitate that
foggy hazel
okay
calm lake
If I share what I’m itching to build can I get some feedback?
foggy hazel
let me show you a build i just did yesterday
@calm lake if you send me the link, i will post if for you.
calm lake
Sweet ty
foggy hazel
on behalf of @calm lake
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p8zhZf
calm lake
I’m mainly concerned if I should change anything, or if there’s any potential tweaking etc, I want maximum gaming effectiveness
foggy hazel
@formal karma this build is a "some rgb" one https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YPZ24n
but a fair deal more powerfull, and as you can see, also has some parts you dont need (ssd)
this is "just" to give you an idea about what you are currently using money on
@calm lake i will comment when i am done with @formal karma :)
calm lake
Thank you
formal karma
That is... nice XD
I like the functionality. but uhhh. @foggy hazel I dont see any cooling on the build?
foggy hazel
stock cooler is the plan for that specific one
because of the specific requirements of the customer on that one
formal karma
ah i see
foggy hazel
he doesnt care about noise at all
(mind, it is not a noisy build as such)
but that is just a starting point for my talk with you
would you like a case that has some light? a window? does it matter ?
formal karma
As a lighting designer, I spend my whole day thinking about aesthetics, but I prefer performance. If the RGB can be turned off at night to allow me to sleep that might change my mind.
foggy hazel
i personally dont do RGB in my own machines
simply because i value performance too much
and the machine is there to work for me. not make a light show :)
but plenty of customer builds have rainbows out the bum
formal karma
That would be nice
Ideally i would want something that can run Vectorwoks Vision flawlessly, but that program is more expensive than the budget for my build currently and im lucky to have somehow snagged the student version for cheap
foggy hazel
:)
thats for you to compare @formal karma
that is about as silent as it really goes
and about as fast as it goes at your budget too
its basically something of a beast of a machine
one thing that MIGHT be of interest to you (because i dont know your workflow as such), is more ram
formal karma
32GB is plenty. if it crashes that then I need new equipment for the show itself not more ram
foggy hazel
ah, you are doing moving head programming etc?
formal karma
I work off a Whole Hog 4 board.
raw igloo
Ngl I got the intel core i9 for the box
foggy hazel
@formal karma hog4-18?
formal karma
@foggy hazel Road Hog 4 actually
formal karma
Always like the Roadhogs over Full Boars and up
foggy hazel
what i am curious about is what the specific software you use, actually "likes"
formal karma
Portability is king these days though.
foggy hazel
as in, some software "loves" ram
some "loves" multiple cores
as in, the more the merrier
other software "loves" 1-2 cores clocked as high as it goes
raw igloo
What order should I buy the parts
formal karma
If I'm not drawing by hand, I tend to use Autocad 2016 atm, but ultimately as i said I want to evolve into Vectorworks Vision because it has so much play in it.
foggy hazel
@formal karma question: was Vision originally MAC only?
formal karma
@foggy hazel shouldnt be. I'm staring at the windows reqs right now.
foggy hazel
just asking
because the IO path timings etc are so effing nice in macos, it would have made sense like a lot of audio software if it was originally macos only
(originally being the keyword here)
there is a requirement that Vision has thou
2080 or above
because onboard GPU memory
and yes, the 5700xt is also valid
formal karma
now youve got me wondering if VW was originally designed for mac...
Anyway yes, I see that. luckily the build you sent has a 2080 in it 😉
the question is, how much does the TI matter by comparison.
foggy hazel
yes, but let me quote something from vision
"How many lights can I run in Vision?
The speed of your video card and rendering settings directly impacts the number of lights that you can run. Vision currently recommends the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 or the AMD Radeon RX 5000 series both with 8+ GB of RAM."
see the tiny little downer of a "+" in there?
formal karma
mhmm
stoic island
(maybe Radeon 7 too)
stoic island
Hey, it got more VRAM, and that's all I know.
Oh I see.
That card went quickly...
formal karma
I'm not designing for FFDP or EDM shows. Mostly Casinos and opener acts
raw igloo
Naed, What is the fps difference between 2080ti and 2080 super
foggy hazel
it was a limited run @stoic island
stoic island
Ah
foggy hazel
@raw igloo you will get an answer from me when i am done with the people ahead of you.
raw igloo
Sorry
foggy hazel
nothing to be sorry about, just telling you, so you know that i have seen your message :)
formal karma
actually @foggy hazel im staring at a super in the build you sent me and we are talking about a TI so...
foggy hazel
@formal karma fair, that is your take, you are the one that knows your workflow
formal karma
Would the build support a 2080 Ti?
foggy hazel
@formal karma the "problem" with the TI is the silly cost of the thing
its 1100
and yeah, the rest of the system can handle multiple if you wanted
i cannot quite state how powerful that cpu actually is
dense bane
there's a deal right now for the 2080 ti on evga website. 900 bucks. still a lot but yeah
formal karma
I can have that by christmas. I would want to still be able to use the super thoguh after getting the Ti
foggy hazel
@dense bane link?
stoic island
B stock?
foggy hazel
920 usd
dense bane
is that good?
foggy hazel
for a system like @formal karma 's .... no
the limited warranty kills it for a system like that
stoic island
( new EVGA cards have up to 10 year warranty iirc?)
foggy hazel
"I can have that by christmas. I would want to still be able to use the super thoguh after getting the Ti" <- yes, you can use the 2080 Super, in a different system if you want.
dont they still do lifetime on some of their cards?
stoic island
Also, if you're waiting for christmas, might want to see Nvidia 3000 offerings
Uh brb
foggy hazel
@formal karma but the question i would like an answer to is this: When, roughly, are you actually building?
because as Mr1111 mentions, it actually matters :)
formal karma
@foggy hazel I was planning to build this summer. So that I would have it ready for the fall and be able to crank out work once this.... quarantine... is over.
stoic island
Looking at this, you get 3 years on the card, then you can register it for 5-10more years.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kfLWcuVdauptOIAgHc2THuDj2-gvQQLipNmCCx1FaNI/htmlview#gid=0
formal karma
not that I need to go to the location but it makes networking better.
formal karma
done
foggy hazel
that is your "baseline"
anything slower than that? not worth it
imo
and then when you are about 3-4 weeks away from actually needing the machine
give a nice and loud shout :)
and either myself or someone else will happily look over the list
foggy hazel
(it wont take many minutes to do)
but please keep the list, it saves a fair deal of time :)
raw igloo
Hey
stoic island
Hey
raw igloo
Is the 2080 ti worth it over the 2080 super
foggy hazel
@formal karma anything else i can help you with?
formal karma
Nah I'm good now, ty for pointing me in the right direction
foggy hazel
you are very welcome :)
@calm lake still around?
@raw igloo depends entirely on your requirements
raw igloo
for games?
foggy hazel
if the games you play, benefit from the 11gigs of vram. (this is a question only you can answer)
then yes
raw igloo
I dont think that I need it
I am just afraid that when I build around this Christmas, the parts I use that are consumer flagships now will become obsolete
foggy hazel
planning "now" for a build that far away is close to useless
that is not to discourage you
but that is just reality of the industry
raw igloo
I am just buying it part buy part
raw igloo
I already got the cpu 😦
raw igloo
I mainy got it to kinda lock in that I am going to build a pc
If I didnt then I would just waste the money on like games
foggy hazel
this might sound harsh, but please read it for the well meant intention behind it: Grow a spine and commit yourself to saving.
you will end up with a much better machine at the end of it
raw igloo
Is the cpu (i-9 9900k) really going to be bad christmas?
I dont really want to return but if you say
stoic island
It's very likely Ryzen 4th gen will be able to compete with it, especially in single thread.
foggy hazel
overpriced and overvalued and overhyped
foggy hazel
ask them
raw igloo
arriving tommorow
foggy hazel
just dont accept the package, that should return it
but seriously, ask Best Buy
never shopped there, most likely never will
with it being half a world away
sacred obsidian
if you don't accept they don't legally have to return it, however, if you receive it in the mail best buy has a 15 day return policy (in the states) and will take anything back as long as you don't constantly abuse that. If they start losing more money than you are spending they will bar you from returns.
foggy hazel
that depends on what you mean by "flagship"
cursive wharf
Also, new CPUs and GPUs are coming out by the time you buy. So who knows what will be what
cursive wharf
I've been up for a while now. Stayed up all night with games and doing my custom water cooling loop
stoic island
Hei, you doing softline?
stoic island
I'll never bother with hardline... I would make too many mistakes
foggy hazel
"I'll never bother with hardline... I would make too many mistakes" <- and as Box said, learning curve and moving goalposts over time
what you considered impossible 10 years ago is most likely trivial for you now
stoic island
I know, but the first time... I would need so much extra just in case xD
foggy hazel
consider the first time you assembled a pc vs now
stoic island
Yea, but it took the first time to learn
foggy hazel
and?
stoic island
tubes
foggy hazel
if you want to learn, it would be worth the investment no?
stoic island
Possibly, but too expensive for me now anyways
stoic island
I think if I do watercooling, I'll start with softline, install the blocks and use em and stuff
then later switch to hardline
sudden turret
\o/
stoic island
but like
stoic island
its like 800$ for a set of stuff from corsair
sudden turret
when I first did mine it was absolute trash
yeah well it's corsair
lol
you gonna pay out the rump
stoic island
I mean compare that to my current config, stock gpu cooler, and 90$ noctua cooler
I wonder, can you run cpu and gpu off a single 240mm rad?
sudden turret
I had ran both my 3700x and 1080 off 360mm worth of aio
er radiators, not aio
same loop
sudden turret
doesn't matter which way you run it, temps will always end up the same
well, peak temps that is
cursive wharf
Order of components doesn't really matter so much. Tho direction of liquid flow can if you put the input where the output is suppose to be for a block
stoic island
Same loop.
How should the loop go? From Res to GPU to CPU to rad then back to res?
(flow wise)
Honestly I don't think Corsair is that much more expensive
other than fans
Like each block costs nearly the same
rad is more expensive
pump res is more expensive
corsair fan and fan controller is extremely expensive, we alreayd know that...
mighty sapphire
Took the leap officially! I’ve ordered my cpu!
stoic island
oh no
kind shuttle
Is there a RAM kit I can get instead of the Ripjaws V cuz I think they’re sold out atm
stoic island
Ripjaws out of stock 😭
kind shuttle
Fooookin covid man
kind shuttle
There isn’t a rationale behind it
stoic island
and...?
kind shuttle
I want more storage
stoic island
you need more than 1tb?
stoic island
you set on that case..?
stoic island
Are you fine with this one? Looks worse, but airflow and all are more conventional.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YhzZxr/fractal-design-focus-g-white-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-wt-w
also cheaper
kind shuttle
That’s what I originally had might as well put that in
stoic island
And motherboard wise, is there anything particular the tomahawk max has that you want over other motherboards?
Because I would suggest the Asus tuf b450m pro gaming, at 15$ cheaper, but matx.
sacred obsidian
why does everyone hate on the h510 😦
kind shuttle
Which one is more suitable for upgrades mr 1111
Idk if that question makes any sense
sacred obsidian
neither case will neccesarily make it harder to upgrade
stoic island
deafkid I just want to save money at this point
sacred obsidian
and on the mobos, either of those again would be about the same
stoic island
yea
thats why I'm asking for preferance
this seems a bit costly atm
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y4TjgJ
kind shuttle
Seems like the ripjaws minorly screwed me on ram pricing
stoic island
I was sorting by g.skill only xDDDDD
stoic island
stoic island
It's much better
It's also double the capacity of your previous SSD
It has dram
It's faster
sacred obsidian
you can knock more money off by going 3200. you wont really need 3600 at those specs. 3200 is sufficient at higher specs than that
stoic island
honestly yea
kind shuttle
It’s like 5-10 extra to go 3600 I think
stoic island
only reason that I like suggesting 3600 was because ripjaws were at such a good price
sacred obsidian
money is money lol
stoic island
but now ripjaws are gone
sacred obsidian
true
stoic island
my other favorite ram kit is the aegis 3200mhz cl16
for 70$
now it's here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XBnNZf
kind shuttle
If the other mobo is cheaper go w that one I guess
tardy olive
check dm
sacred obsidian
what was the total budget? or are you just trying to cut down on cost to save him money in general?
kind shuttle
I’ve been told that the Ryzen 5 works best w 3600 but idrk what I’m talking about
Like about 900
sacred obsidian
but the cpu and gpu can only use so much ram and its unlikely you'll cap out 3200 on a ryzen 3600 and 2060
quick wren
that's the only game I'm aware of where memory speeds can make a huge impact
stoic island
I'm getting it under 1100, then saving money for them.
sacred obsidian
ah ok
kind shuttle
Monitor is included in that part list too so it looks a lil higher
sacred obsidian
i use 16gb 3200 ram on a 2600 and 2070 super oc and i've not had any ram issues anywhere. 3200 is more than suffiicient and I ran OW on my 6600k with 12 gb of 1066 ram and 970 no issue lol
kind shuttle
Ok that’s fine then
sacred obsidian
I would say at like 3700+ you should probably get 3600 but im not that savy with ram. I've just been told that 3200 is more than enough for a r3600
but for cost effectiveness, without ripjaw prices, I wouldn't bother unless you're planning on getting ryzen 4000 series down the line, assuming that doesnt also need an upgrade
kind shuttle
Ok I solved our problem
The ripjaws at the price point we found before are back in stock in like 4 days
stoic island
3200 is enough
kind shuttle
Bet
stoic island
If you're buying now, it won't make too big a difference anyways
kind shuttle
Ok
stoic island
its like what 5% max difference in games between 3200 and 3600
kind shuttle
Oh then idgaf if I’m saving money
mighty sapphire
How’s this look guys? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9b6Kdm
I’m hoping I can find the stuff that’s not listed to buy elsewhere. Unless anyone has any better options?
Also someone suggested a different ssd but it didn’t save when I changed it the other day
And I don’t remember what it was
stoic island
Silicon power a80, but p1 is fine too
sacred obsidian
if you got a microcenter near you, shop there. great deals and if they dont, they price match. you can usually get ram, cpu, and mobo for much better prices than listed online
it doesnt garantee they will have specifically those parts tho
mighty sapphire
There’s one about 2 and a half hours or so from here but online it’s out of stock of almost everything. Would it be beneficial to still go? Only thing I’ve ordered so far is the cpu
stoic island
umm
mighty sapphire
@stoic island is the silicon power a80 better performance wise?
quick wren
If you have a GPU from your old rig that's still good enough for a little while longer, say, 980, 1060 or better, I'd consider using that for now and waiting for the new cards in the fall, or at least, for a potential fire sale on the 2070 Super just before the new cards arrive
stoic island
oops
sacred obsidian
oof. the cpu is the most cost saving part at microcenter lol
stoic island
wrong thing
thought I had this on my clipboard
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XBnNZf
sacred obsidian
If it says it out of stock then they probably don't have it, but if you are fine with buying difrferent parts it could be worth it. you can talk to the people who work therre and they will help you find parts that are good and within your budget that are similar
mighty sapphire
Mine?
kind shuttle
Or me
sacred obsidian
honestly the price on both of those lists are super similar. yours is just lower than mr1111s list cause the ram doesnt show price. once that shows up it will be like at most a 10$ difference.
he was talking to atlas
stoic island
Atlas
But mine also has twice the ssd capacity
much higher ssd speeds
thats some of the cost difference
kind shuttle
Should I just splurge on a nice 1 TB NVME SSD and avoid a hard drive until I need one?
sacred obsidian
yeah thats what i meant. yours is better and similarly priced
quick wren
Right now is probably a bad time in general for GPU upgrades, unless you are so far out of date that it's crippling, or don't have anything you can recycle.
stoic island
You could just get a 1tb a80 if you really want to
kind shuttle
I’m gonna kill the hard drive and go w SSD only for now
sacred obsidian
not neccesarily. the gpus have gone down a little in price thanks to the 5600 xt.
kind shuttle
I can always use external hard drive for photos and stuff that’s prob easier tbh
Or google photos
sacred obsidian
plus evga just did a midweek sale and had a lot of gpus at great prices. just gotta keep an eye out for things like that.
kind shuttle
Pick me a good 1Tb SSD!
quick wren
still worth weighing out whether you can afford to wait or not, given we're within ~8 months of refresh
foggy hazel
you already have a good one on the list @kind shuttle
stoic island
sacred obsidian
well yeah but thats true always. I kept my 970 for 2 generations lol
foggy hazel
@kind shuttle so what i am saying is this: Give context for what you ask :)
sacred obsidian
and before that I was using a 560, and before that was an amd 5650. I wait a long time to upgrade gpus 😛
foggy hazel
@stoic island did he make you make him a list?
stoic island
I changed his list
kind shuttle
I made some changes and then he made some
foggy hazel
okay
stoic island
Side note, good news cx450w is in stock now! :D
kind shuttle
One part went out of stock
foggy hazel
thats something Mr1111
i will never ever understand the duality of the builders mind
mighty sapphire
Updated the ssd to the a80
Any other recommendations before I order the rest? 😊
stoic island
What do you mean Naed?
foggy hazel
you can explain until you are blue in the face
and they will say "yes, i understand that, with the limits I have imposed on you, this is the fastest/best-suited part"
and then the day after, they come back with what is basically a wet leek in fancy wrapping
kind shuttle
Hehehehe
stoic island
@mighty sapphire have you bought it all already? because many things are out of stock..?
mighty sapphire
Is the motherboard I have sufficient for upgrades in the future? Or when upgrading is it better to replace it completely as well since there will be newer ones out as well?
@stoic island no not yet, I’m hoping to find the stuff that’s listed as out of stock other places
Hopefully
kind shuttle
It’s more that I’m about to drop a grand on something I don’t know anything about and my best resource rn is a bunch of randos that I don’t really know if I can trust because it’s the internet!
foggy hazel
@mighty sapphire patience is key.
stoic island
ah I see
kind shuttle
Anyway I appreciate all the support
stoic island
Stylish builds are having a hard time right now because of parts going out of stock
kind shuttle
And the patience w my wet leek part list 😛
foggy hazel
@kind shuttle consider this: we can link you to all the stuff you need to read
i can guarantee that you will get bored out of your skull just looking at the list of links
quick wren
B450 is probably still going to be compatible with one more generation of Ryzen.
foggy hazel
@mighty sapphire to the best of our knowledge, the mainboard on your list, is a really solid choice, that seems likely to get upgrades for the next gen cpu's
quick wren
after 4th gen, they'll be moving to a new socket anyway so even the X570s will be obsolete
foggy hazel
@kind shuttle by reading.
and forming your own opinion
basically doing what i have been doing for the last 25+ years
quick wren
so you'll have one more generation of CPUs to upgrade to, and then MB upgrade time after that
still roostBOT
Atlas#7543 has been warned
foggy hazel
no need for language like that.
kind shuttle
I call BS
foggy hazel
on which part?
mighty sapphire
Okay awesome ! It sounds like the right choice for mobo! I’m hoping micro center will have it
kind shuttle
The part where u said there’s no need for that language!
foggy hazel
me working in this field for 25+ years?
kind shuttle
😂
foggy hazel
there are plenty of words in the language, no need for those specific ones
@mighty sapphire have a patience and it will come back around
kind shuttle
Yea yea
mighty sapphire
It looks like amazon has the ripjaw ram in stock
kind shuttle
Ik it’s weird
stoic island
Brittany, just so you know, there is also a micro-atx version of that board, that has better availability, IF you need it.
foggy hazel
in the current environment, dont expect to just be able to say: be in stock!!!!!!! and it will work like that. You will have to be a bit more diligent than that :)
mighty sapphire
Is there a significant difference in the two?
kind shuttle
Naed what’s ur job if ya don’t mind me asking
mighty sapphire
This is the same ram right? It looks like it to me. 2-8gb ddr4 3600 cl16
kind shuttle
That’s the ripjaws I was looking for too I think
kind shuttle
In stock as of April 26
mighty sapphire
There’s the link! I believe it’s the same!