the guy who came up with mm gg/ in must've really gotten the good stuff
#building-and-recc-chat
visual turtle
gentle bay
12 inches in one foot
gentle bay
2.54 cm in one inch
lyric thistle
absolute unit
gentle bay
12*2.54
kind geyser
I see I see
kind geyser
oshiiii I gotta walk to school 
subtle halo
if you had chungus case you need higer cfm i guess xD its like if air is a laser..
gentle bay
I dont even know
Alright so
bottom line
Am i just fine using the stock cooler? the Wraith Spire?
with the stock paste
gentle bay
fock
gentle bay
I like it how you tossed homework at it
subtle halo
wait let me google how fast drone fan is
visual turtle
Normal for server stuff - 40mm deltas go annoyingly higher, I hate the dentist drill noise - few servers use 120mm's though
subtle halo
ow 10,350 to 41k rpm
visual turtle
That professor's "ratemyprofessor" has a top comment of "welcome to dante's inferno" fwiw
ECE202
visual turtle
Probably just some salty kid, I respect the guy
gentle bay
With a sense of humor haha
visual turtle
Another prof is infamous for this flash animation a kid made parodying him, hard to explain, not really nsfw though
gentle bay
interesting
fossil hedge
stoic island
ok
amber walrus
Hey evryone I have a very quick question , is an Asus rog atrix radon Rx 580 8gb good for 2020 (it cost (used)90€)??
dry tinsel
i wouldn't say it's the best GPU to buy for 2020
if you only play less demanding and esports games it should be fine
lime forge
for 90€, idk how that translates to usd, but $90 usd would be a great price
ah
$100.45
thats a good deal id say
we got a 570 8gb for $115 so the 580 8gb for $100 seems good
tight bluff
Its a good deal
dry tinsel
but by "good for 2020" did he mean "good price" or "good for the coming games this year"?
tight bluff
@lime forge In the UK and most of europe its best not to translare £ and € to USD, just use the same number. I.e something new $100 is £100 here, even though its 30% more value wise, its just the cost of tech
dry tinsel
yeah i always try to just take the number as given
it's hard to do though especially with GBP because it's been worth up to $2.60 in the past
tight bluff
Incidentally, it dropped to its current value in 2000 of about 1.3, before going up to 1.6. So theres still hope in this currency yet.
In 1990 it seems to spike to $2. Hmm.
dry tinsel
i like that the euro has made smaller (in terms of GDP) countries relevant on said currency exchanges along with "major" european countries
it's kind of evened things out
tight bluff
Oh there we go, between 1980 and 1990 it was near $2.4
dry tinsel
2.6 was an exaggeration i guess
it's been similar to that price at later times too i believe
tight bluff
Oh jeez, 1985 dropped to 1.1. Imagine losing more than half of your value in 5 years.
dry tinsel
i can't believe my image of GBP as a currency is shaped by something i saw at the age of 7
dry tinsel
i wonder how long things will be compared against USD
i hear some countries are not very happy about it since our federal reserve literally just prints money to pay off international debts
devaluing our currency a bit but also giving them less because of that devaluation
tight bluff
Most currencies lose value because of things like recessions. The US just seems to devaluate the USD
Either way, now the internet is here with shipping that can cross countries pretty cheaply, currencies will unify more.
Like its almost at the point its almost worth me buying tech from the US and paying the 20% tax
dry tinsel
i hope to see borders dissolve and have the world treated as cultural regions
say, sweden is still sweden for example but there isn't a line saying "sweden"
eager chasm
Ahahahahaha, would be nice but that's never gonna happen anytime soon.
gentle bay
Hey is the ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO a viable option for a cpu fan? Or should I just go with Noctua
solid dune
@little osprey is that an amd waith prism in you pc ? and if so is it loud or is it quit ?
stoic island
Noctua always nice if you got the budget
cursive wharf
@gentle bay Duo is a pretty good option, one of the best for the price
muted patio
Prism is fine unless you'll be overclocking
Scythe Mugen Rev B is quiter though
But no RGB
solid dune
there is a low setting om the prism right ß so i can get i quiter
muted patio
You can set your own fan curve
solid dune
can i get the prism quiet but still enough to cool a ryzen 3600 ?
sudden turret
yep
muted patio
Oh yeah
sudden turret
sullen spoke
lol
subtle halo
yes
subtle halo
try to do ctrl + r
sullen spoke
do that
jade adder
so i've got a quick polling question, I'm torn between two desks for my new setup
am i allowed to post links?
sacred obsidian
as long as they aren't sketchy go for it
jade adder
ok
one's ikea one's amazon
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/planner/byod-planner/ - code 48MBC3 for the desk because apparently it doesn't save my desk
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SH74QXY?th=1 - this is the amazon one
little osprey
is there some one i can talk to about my fan rgb acting up
jade adder
like the fan works, but the lights aren't?
little osprey
so i have 6 fans into my control box, and when i switch it to where the mobo software controls the lights the front 3 fans dont light up at all, but if i control lighting with a controller all fans work fine
jade adder
fans might not be plugged into the mobo then?
latent bronze
@jade adder ever thought of visiting a staples?
Something like this as an example https://www.staples.com/Altra-Dakota-L-Shaped-Desk-with-Bookshelves-Black-Ebony-Ash/product_1268108
jade adder
I'm not lookin for an L-shaped, because of where my desk will be
latent bronze
Well i said as an example it doesn't have to be that one
There is a lot of nice desks you can find there as well and better to go to the store to see it then get it over online and find out it is smaller than what the pic shows
shut cypress
someone buy me da 360hz monitor 😩 😘
prime spear
pale pond
anyone able to help me out ?
viral ore
@deep skiff what style of keycaps are those? I remember seeing those a while back, but haven't been able to find them ever since
ahhhhhhhh i found them
DSA Scientific
deep skiff
eager chasm
@brittle musk Nice build, also welcome the the purple lights club, seems to be a popular color as of late 😄
sacred obsidian
my cousin also went purple lol
sacred obsidian
actually i think my cousin is using that same case as katnis. 510i or something lol.
north marlin
HI
sacred obsidian
hello
brittle musk
@eager chasm thank you sir!
brittle musk
@sacred obsidian Mine is the regular h510
sacred obsidian
ah. well it looks the same he just has led strips then
brittle musk
yup, that's the only difference
brittle musk
Oh snap lol, mine cannot
sacred obsidian
lol i wanna get an led controller and led strips and make mine do that too but ive never dealt with led strips before
sudden turret
sacred obsidian
this is my favorite song and i love that everyone is covering it
sudden turret
Leo is amazing.
sacred obsidian
i expect this song to be played everywhere at ren fest this year
pliant walrus
My motherboard died!
sacred obsidian
you sure its your mobo?
little osprey
its very rare for motherboard to die unless you doing LN2 @pliant walrus
strange mango
@sudden turret think you just posted my new ringtone.
sudden turret
haha 😄
if you don't know who he is, check out his other stuff, he makes really great covers.
strange mango
Never heard of him, but he sounds great.
sudden turret
Oh you'll love his other stuff then
strange mango
Just listened to some of his stuff. Got some Google pay credit burning a hole in my pocket. Reckon I'll toss some coins his way.
sudden turret
Naed 😉
mossy citrus
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jgGjJb is this good
cursive wharf
GPU is pretty bad for the budget
Can easily get a 2070S with a little bit of part changing
Also note: CXM has coil whine issues
cursive wharf
Much better for the price
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nC7CDx
Also can get Win 10 for like $15
woven horizon
dont pay for windows 10
I will not pay for it until they stop supporting the non activated PC's
sudden turret
heck you can get a key for 7
sullen spoke
meow
woven horizon
I've used them in builds for others but i do not care to activate
little osprey
I’ve had activate windows Mark for a month now
and I no longer notice it
I don’t think I will ever buy windows
polar holly
Might as well you can get it for like 15usd and you get a bunch of small things with Windows
woven horizon
entire build you could swap the cooler and the motherboard out
you also need an ssd
tbf
feral yoke
I’ve had the activate windows thing for seven months now and yeah I only notice it in certain videos but like briefly and it’s doesn’t bother me enough to care lol
In other news anyone have opinions on a the Origin Big O case thing? I’m interested bc of space saving but I’m worried my one x would get too hot in the case itself. But it has what I need for streaming and down grading my setup area. Just not sure
rich void
Doesn't that MSI x570 board run really hot? I think there are better options in that price range
The two TUF boards are the ones I have looked at around that price, but there may be better options
polar holly
@feral yoke It is a xbox one s built in. But other than that i have already ordered one for using as a lan pc. And it is a nice to have
woven horizon
@rich void i dont have any issues with it im not running a 3900x so..... nor am i using the extra power connector temps are within a reasonable range
this was taken immediately after closing fortnite.
rich void
Oh that's good. I think GN said their VRM ran hot compared to other boards, but maybe that issue's been fixed or was just the one they received
woven horizon
multiple reviewers have had the issue maybe they've released a newer revision? I just bought the motherboard Monday.
rich void
I'd hope they'd do something about it, but yeah I am a certified non-expert
ember sierra
Okay, following situation: I have a PC, but I’d like to switch it out. Obviously there is data stored in the PC and I’d like to keep most of it. My budget estimated ranges up to a bit over 1500€, thus like $1670.
I need a gaming + recording setup in that price range and a way to save my data
Also I could reuse a few parts of my old PC, especially peripherals
I have the HyperX Cloud Alpha which I would keep, i have some cheap office keyboard and mouse, which I would switch if possible in the budget.
Also i have two monitors, id like to have two in my new setup as well, but my current ones are by no means gaming monitors
patent ocean
transfer the drives over to the new system?
viral ore
looks spicy to me
why dual 144hz?
are you gaming on both
well, i guess for 140, its a steal anyway
ember sierra
U right the other one could be weaker
viral ore
it will look better too
ember sierra
Exactly
ember sierra
Is that too low?
ember sierra
Hm
viral ore
after that, you might wanna sit farther away
so those are fine, just push them farther from your face on your desk
get a deep desk
ember sierra
Is money worth upgrading to a 2444p version?
viral ore
u mean 1440p i assume
ember sierra
Of course
viral ore
and 1440p at 144hz might be taxing on your gpu, depending on the games you wanna play
also, it depends on how much more the monitor would be
ember sierra
Okay, rather go for 24"
viral ore
yeahh
ember sierra
That should be big enough? My desk isn’t as deep
viral ore
i use a 19" monitor, and its like half a meter from my face
ember sierra
And that’s fine
viral ore
so 27 sounds way to big for me
viral ore
what you dont want is to be moving your head around constantly
and if youre too close to a big monitor, that happens
yeah, 24 is good
ember sierra
It says so in the link
viral ore
thats one of my search terms
teal bison
I like how 24 inch is more expensive than 27 inch lol
ember sierra
Well in that case, there are probably also cheap once
viral ore
teal bison
What's better to or va panel?
viral ore
ips is better than va, va is better than tn
ember sierra
The border of that thing tho
viral ore
lmao yeah
teal bison
Is it better to look on amazon/new egg directly or just go on pcpp? Or does it not matter
viral ore
pcpp is limited in its selection
and i just want a 16:10 monitor above 75hz
but it appears
no one makes them
ember sierra
True I now one at 60hz
But that ain’t enough
Coming back to my monitor lol
How about this one
viral ore
yeah, looks good
ember sierra
Right?
viral ore
it got that 1ms
ember sierra
Yup I think I’ll go for it tbh
viral ore
case fans
iirc, the h510 comes with 2
i would suggest getting another one
its the
aero 12
or something
f120
aha
Aer F120
you should get another one of those
ember sierra
Perfect
viral ore
two other notes are the ssd and PSU
im not an expert
so im not sure of the quality of them
ember sierra
Okay
viral ore
well, the ssd is crucial, so its probs fine
ember sierra
I have to go eat now, I will return tho
teal bison
you dont think 500 is a bit low?
teal bison
is the estimated wattage on pcpp accurate?
teal bison
... lol
latent bronze
@young bluff If your case has cable management holes you should thread them through there cause you do not want anything blocking the airflow
round river
Are Bluetooth dongles better than onboard bluetooth?
round river
No can do. Running a mini Itx build with one pcie lane
That why I need to know if a dongle is the next best thing
sacred obsidian
didnt know they still made mobos with one pcie lane. it will work, just not as well as a pcie adapter
tight bluff
Something I know nothing about
I'm looking to build an ultra low power consumption build
Probably something like a 3200G without going for a GPU in a micro ATX (ITX a bit more expensive) but dunno.
tranquil dust
Wow
We can try that
I’m studying rn but dm me later at like 4:00 and I’ll put together a parts list
foggy hazel
@sacred obsidian he did not mean lane, he meant slot
sacred obsidian
wouldnt one slot mean one lane?
foggy hazel
no
lane is normally used for the pci-e lane number
which normally for a 1 slot board (like an itx) is a 16 lane slot
sacred obsidian
oh okay ive heard a pcie lane being refered to as the slot, as in a 16 lane slot would be 1 lane. but thats good to know thank you lol
foggy hazel
:) np :)
sacred obsidian
im also just really bad at remembering phrasing so maybe i just remembered wrong xD
i will phrase things super wrong sometimes lol
cursive wharf
@ember sierra @viral ore CPU cooler is overkill (also overpriced cuz Be Quiet), P1 doesnt have DRAM cache or HMB so kinda sucky, 5700XT TUF has horrible cooling, case has bad airflow, iirc the Pure Power 11 is kinda loud and given the 1.5k budget you can get better, fan is pricy, one 144Hz and one 60Hz monitor; two 144Hz is a waste of money
viral ore
CPU cooler can be reused in the future, it's an effing power supply, the fan is identical to the two included with the case, the case has good enough airflow, and both monitors are identical on purpose so it looks better.
There are 20 other 5700xt cards, so just let him know of a better one.
cursive wharf
Spend $90 on a CPU cooler, or spend $50 on one that performs close to the same. I mean, that's $40 wasted right there
Also, "It's just a power supply".... Yes, one of the most important components to not cheap out on
nocturne dust
hi i just built my first pc and everything works except the audio. any suggestions. i have uninstalled and reinstalled the driver multiple times
viral ore
Tbh, I never really looked at the CPU cooler until you mentioned it
And it's not a huge deal that the PSU is loudish
I mean, how loud can it really be? I've dealt with many cheap and expensive PSU's, and the noise of the rest of the system drowns it out most of the time
And then you put your headset on and you barely hear anything lmao
cursive wharf
That was from what I remembered. Looking at it now; caps are kinda eh, OCP on minor rails is eh, and transient response on minor rails is eh
Tis is relatively quiet so I'll take my mess up there
ember sierra
@cursive wharf so after all that what should change with the setup?
cursive wharf
@ember sierra https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWyHRk
ember sierra
Ty
It doesn’t need extra case fans?
Also as it has 3 2.5" bays, I could reuse both of my current storage devices. Those are 500GB Crucial SSD and 1TB Seagate BarraCuda HDD.
Should I get the NVMe SSD anyways?
@cursive wharf
foggy hazel
@ember sierra for future proofing, and considering the budget? yes.
you mention a Barracuda hdd, you certain it is the 2.5 variant?
dry tinsel
mine has more lanes than one because it needs to support an NVMe disk along with the built in wireless and the GPU
foggy hazel
@dry tinsel you certain you are scrolled down?
dry tinsel
no, apparently not
cursive wharf
@ember sierra Case comes with two fans while being a well ventilated case. So you dont really need more then that
slate sigil
Hi everyone, Marcus from Sweden here. I’m new to this chat and have a hardware compatibility question I was hoping someone may be able to advice me on. I placed an order for a nuc and the display works intermittently. Sometimes it boots and works for 5 min or so before going bananas. Sometimes it boot cycles: the on button goes blue, caps lock on the keyboard lights up, and then it goes dark several seconds later. Sometimes the screen flickering starts before the OS has even loaded from the bios setup screen (I also updated to the latest bios in an attempt to fix it). Could this be an issue with the RAM not being compatible or is the NUC borked?
N82E16820147674 SAMSUNG 860 EVO Series 2.5" 500GB SATA III V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-76E500B/AM 1
N82E16820236372 CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB 260-Pin DDR4 SO-DIMM DDR4 2666 (PC4 21300) Laptop Memory Model CMSX16GX4M1A2666C18 1
N82E16832588491 Windows 10 Pro 64-bit - OEM 1
N82E16856102227 Intel NUC 10 BXNUC10I7FNH1 i7-10710U Mini /
muted patio
SOunds like processor is overheating to me. Is the heatsink well attached? Never been inside one....check it out. maybe you unplugged the fan by accident installing the RAM?
slate sigil
I can hear the fan spinning up on boot, sounds like it’s going full speed
muted patio
Looks to me like an overheating issue, anyway. If you can fix it or not, that's hard to say.
If you just received it, you may look into sending it back, provided you didn't damage it internally.
slate sigil
Thanks for the suggestion, once I have popped the top off what do I do? Does it appear to you that the hardware should be compatible?
foggy hazel
aye, the hardware looks fine
muted patio
This isn't a hardware compatibility issue, this is a heating issue on the CPU causing graphical distortion
foggy hazel
as in, the hardware you added to the NUC is looking fine.
as Bekora is talking about, the cpu seems to be the culprit
re: when you have it open, the question is: Does it run more stable?
slate sigil
Yeah I received it two days ago. I’ve babied it and used an esd setup when I installed the parts.
Yeah I received it two days ago. I’ve babied it and used an esd setup when I installed the parts.
Ah ok I see. If I open it and run more stable, what would I do then assuming I want it to both be 100% stable and not leave it like that?
slate sigil
Ok got it
foggy hazel
(compared to how it should be)
slate sigil
Yeah that makes sense
foggy hazel
the shop/store should be open tomorrow, so you might be lucky that you can call/visit them
Guessing you grabbed it from one of the big e-shops?
slate sigil
I might just send it back because I don’t see any way I can fix this with a reasonable amount of effort
Yep @foggy hazel got it from Newegg
foggy hazel
before you blindly send it back, have a chat with their support/rma line
they got a swedish department?
foggy hazel
ahhh
fair enough, i am just across the pond from your home origin (danish)
and yes, if you are dealing with newegg, i have no clue about their rma
slate sigil
Oh wow Scandinavia is small but you run into people from there all the time
foggy hazel
because different laws apply
jaunty karma
EATX clear case under 100 bucks
foggy hazel
@jaunty karma if you are still on the same budget as you used to be, then come back in 3 months.
@muted patio you know anything about the RMA at newegg that might help @slate sigil?
jaunty karma
@foggy hazel
Im not in the same budget
U missed lots
So any eatx cases under 100 bucks
foggy hazel
eatx case in clear acrylic for under a 100 is not happening, unless you go random china product
best of luck
stoic island
why wont you just go msi for the atx board
sudden turret
@slate sigil if you need help with the RMA process, @fresh garden can help you get that ball rolling 🙂
just send them a private message
slate sigil
Right on thanks guys
foggy hazel
cheers for picking that ball up @sudden turret
foggy hazel
yes, i can also find a plastic box at ikea and call it a case.
jaunty karma
_>
stoic island
That also didn't have fans last I checked
jaunty karma
Fand?
stoic island
And vietnam pricing is wierd
foggy hazel
then it is not a clear case.
you asked for a clear case, you got an answer for that.
then you found something else
changed your mind
jaunty karma
In my terms
foggy hazel
as i said, best of luck :)
foggy hazel
@stoic island and yes, that case is without fans from the start
stoic island
Yea...
stoic island
I still cant understand why you have to go with the more expensive, eATX, asus board over the MSI ATX board
But like you have to pay extra for new fans
limpid merlin
@jaunty karma go to newegg's case section and sort by E-ATX then lowest price
jaunty karma
@limpid merlin i dont use newegg
limpid merlin
What do you mean by E-atx is superior?
jaunty karma
Did i say somthing?
limpid merlin
It's generally the exact same but with more expansion slots which most people don't use
limpid merlin
What country are you in?
jaunty karma
Philippines
foggy hazel
if his logic is anything like previously, there is no logic
limpid merlin
I realize that, but idk why
jaunty karma
?
stoic island
You were choosing between that cheaper msi board or the more expensive asus board
jaunty karma
This rog board same price as the msi?
stoic island
It was like 200 php cheaper or smth like that
sullen spoke
ftw
stoic island
Still more expensive
jaunty karma
Ok
stoic island
Idk what you have against msi lol
sullen spoke
I don't like msi bios
jaunty karma
Idk what you have against rog lol
stoic island
Msi older bios was really nice
jaunty karma
Plus the rog board has aura sync
limpid merlin
I would chose atx anyday over eatx purely because the cases you need for eatx are way to big and will cost way too much to ship
stoic island
But the newer bios is bad bc they had to reduce features for 3rd gen compatibility
limpid merlin
and there aren't many cases for eatx
limpid merlin
And it's big for no reason
sullen spoke
$5 shipping
jaunty karma
Ok?
sullen spoke
bruh
limpid merlin
most people have no use for an eatx board
stoic island
Yea
limpid merlin
unless you have 5+ expansion slots in use then you don't need it
stoic island
Ryzen doesn't even support that many lanes
foggy hazel
multiplex solves that @stoic island
stoic island
Ah
jaunty karma
Brüh
foggy hazel
normally the way it is done on consumer boards of that size
jaunty karma
RUSH! B450-E STRIX 3rd Gen Ready Motherboard for PHP 6,500 https://ph.carousell.com/p/269635982
sullen spoke
rush?
jaunty karma
Hes trying to sell it fast
sullen spoke
oh
sullen spoke
also if you consider that you might wanna ask for pics of the board
not really visible in the pics
meet up tho
jaunty karma
Cause its an eatx board?
muted patio
No, it's not actually. Just a plain jane ATX
orm Factor
ATX Form Factor
12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm )
sullen spoke
isn't it only like the server boards that are eatx
muted patio
Mmhmmm
sullen spoke
or workstation
muted patio
Regular ATX case is what you need
jaunty karma
Ok
foggy hazel
there have also been a couple of high-end boards over the years that have been e-atx (in the consumer space) @sullen spoke
sullen spoke
oh cool
foggy hazel
remember we used to have a lot more "stuff" out on the board
sullen spoke
"stuff" lol
foggy hazel
southbridge+northbridge+drive controllers+multiplexers etc etc
sata ports helped a lot with space on the boards too
sullen spoke
maybe one day all we need is itx
foggy hazel
very much PITA
jaunty karma
sullen spoke
more lazada
foggy hazel
@sullen spoke i would say for 99.99% of people, itx is plenty as it is right now
foggy hazel
there are SO many builds that only have the gpu as the add-in
sullen spoke
Yeah most people don't need more than gpu in pci lane
foggy hazel
not so much a question of need
more an observation that they dont ever actually end up using more
sullen spoke
of I meant to say have lol
foggy hazel
:)
sullen spoke
My brain farts too much
foggy hazel
be happy your head is full of holes then :P
sullen spoke
yay 
elfin galleon
Hi everyone, i built my gaming pc about 2 months ago, and it was going fine until my frames would just drop, i would get screen tearing and glitching. And on r6 i would get 30 - 40 frames until it crashes. I turned everything off and unplugged everything to check the inside of the pc, i removed the graphic card and put it back in. Now my pc wont even boot!!!! Everything in the pc turns on but it wont send input to my mouse, keyboard, and monitor. Im scared i really screwed up.
Here are my specs:
Ryzen 7 3700x (wraith prism)
Gigabyte rx 5700 xt
Gskill tridentz rgb 3200 (2x8)
Asus x570-P mobo
M.2 samsung 970 evo (250gb)
Seagate baracuda 2tb 7200rpm
Seasonic 750w psu
I would appreciate any help on gettin my pc to boot up and fixed
Also, when i went into device manager, there would be yellow exclamation marks by 4 PCI devices.
I had all drivers up to date
Thnx !!
stoic island
Soo
@elfin galleon I have a feeling that might be a graphics card or mobo issue, anything you were doing that might've caused it?
muted patio
We are in General Chat with this one.......user spam posted this lol
little osprey
So I have a build list so far. Aorus x570 elite mobo, amd ryzen 5 3600x, 2060 xc super or the rx 5700, 750 watt psu, 2 vengeance corsair 16 gb sticks 3200 MHz
Still looking at storage and a few others
still roostBOT
Mando#4221 has been warned
little osprey
good luck
muted patio
nah
3600 doesn't need 3600 MHZ ram. It's not dependent on the chipset but rather the CPU and the infinity fabric speed
ripe summit
i need help
bad
my 24 pin wont go in
to my motherboard
and i dont want to apply too much pressure cause it started tobend
I tried to put by hand behind it, but it hurt too much because there wasnt enough room
however, the 4 pin goes in fine
muted patio
Well, if it won't go in...........
muted patio
Not much to go on here except look for bent pins inside the connector
Either the motherboard or power supply cable is damaged. Should just slip right in
ripe summit
i did, no bent pins
muted patio
Is it a two piece 24 pin? 20+4 ?
ripe summit
I searched it up and people have said it was a weird mold on their psu cable
20 + 4
yes
muted patio
Try the 4 pin on the other end?
muted patio
Then return the power supply if you know it had bad molding on the connector
muted patio
Well, you kinda do
It won't go in
And you just said you searched it up and found out it had bad moldings
ripe summit
not my specific one
muted patio
If the clips line up, and the arrows are in the right place, it needs to be returned for something that is correct
ripe summit
just other people with other ones, like other brands and such
muted patio
The only thing I can tell you is to try the 4 pin on the other end of it
If that doesn't work, return it for another one
cursive wharf
@little osprey tbh not that great of RAM. 3600 CL18 is a waste of money. As a note to look out for the future, 99% of the time Corsair is a poor choice for RAM. They tend to not have that great memory dies
little osprey
What would you recommend for ram? @cursive wharf
Can I put a full size gpu in a sff pc with bigger case and better power supply?
cursive wharf
Generally specific Crucial models (Ballistix Sport LT with "AES" in its part number), or specific Gskill models (Ripjaws or Neo)
As in, take the mobo out of the SSF PC and put it into a case with a standard size?
little osprey
How come corsair ram is bad most of the time?
cursive wharf
The memory dies arent that great in quality. So frequency and timings are pretty poor compared to competitors. In this case the freq was the same but the timings were worse
muted patio
Corsair Ram isn't bad, the timings you chose are.
little osprey
Yes that's what I meant
muted patio
GSkill uses Hynix chips in Ripjaws also
little osprey
Is it possible?
cursive wharf
Well I gave a percentage, more or less should have said "with the average RAM budget Corsair will more then likely not be the best choice of RAM due to competitors"
little osprey
So get the 16 got it
muted patio
Yes. If you plan to overclock the ram, look for something with Samsung B-dies
cursive wharf
I mean there is a bit more, but CL is what is looked at by most people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yed-a9vqTYc
muted patio
Most good CL16 ram is 16-18-18-35
faint steeple
i'd say good CL16 ram is 16-16-16 (b-die)
muted patio
Well
If you plan to OC, absolutely. For every day use non-OC, it's not that important
Provided it's not 16-20-20-40 or something ridiculous
cursive wharf
@little osprey Was the build for you or Mando? Anyways here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KLh227
Can realistically get away with a 650w PSU, but might as well 750w for 2080Ti in the future
muted patio
Huh
partpicker is wrong
Better timing same ram $134.99 at Newegg. 16-18-18-38 32GB
Nevermind, that's 3200
shame on me
little osprey
G.skill uses hynix and samsung so you need be careful on which ones you buy
alot times 150$ neo is hynix
250+ is samsung
this is hynix kit if anyway wants better info https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232861?Description=g.skill neo&cm_re=g.skill_neo-_-20-232-861-_-Product
another way to tell difference is b-die was only made in 8GB capability so if see 16gb dims its either hynix or micron or lesser samsung Die
ripe summit
hey
I need help again
so
basically
My psu may be broken but i don't know
or my mobo
if you would like to read the upper speech about my problem, go ahead Vamps
but my PSU fan isn't spinning if i turn it on with the switch, is that normal
or does the PSU fan only spin when the PC is on
im new to building
anything i can do to trouble shoot or test if my motherboard is dead, or if my PSU is
little osprey
@ripe summit dose the PSU power anything like board or any lights turn on in PC?
Most of time PSU fan won't spin unless heavy load aswell
ripe summit
no lights
no nothing
when plugged in
power button doesnt work
etc
i have a feeling its the 24pin
but i dunno
ripe summit
ni
no*
its my first pc buid
and also
I have this LED cable but the probelm is, is that I have no clue if i'm supposed to use it or not
like
I don't know if i'm supposed to put it anywhere
or if it's extra
little osprey
if don't mind waiting than i would do RMA thought retailer for both psu and motherboard to be safe
its extra cable
ripe summit
what is RMA
little osprey
Return merchandise authorization
so if brought it from newegg they can send a replacement
or amazon
ripe summit
I got the mobo and power supply both from a local store
little osprey
Microcenter or frys?
ripe summit
don't live in the US, I wish we had microcenter in Canada
I got it from MikesComputerShop
which is the closest thing we got to microcenter
little osprey
if thats case than i would take it up Store again and ask for replacement for both
little osprey
just to be safe
ripe summit
do you think i should bring my whole pc in just in case
and ask if they can help fix it
or just ask for replacement
little osprey
Do they offer service like that?
ripe summit
yes
unpaid, if the parts that are needing troubleshooting are bought from them in the last month
little osprey
i would take PC and ask them their help first if find problem they could replace it their
little osprey
everything you purchase so you can be safe
little osprey
so the cpu has no bent pins right or socket?
little osprey
ok than going say its either motherboard or psu but i would still take it up to them to double check
ripe summit
The only things I didn't buy from the shop were the case, the AIO, the RAM, and the NVME
little osprey
those would't matter unless PC turned on
ripe summit
yeah, the pc doesn't show any signs of life
little osprey
ok like i just said its motherboard or psu
ripe summit
ok, thanks so much
ill take in the computer, along with the parts and such (mobo / psu)
in tomorrow
again, thanks for the help
little osprey
no problem and hope they able to fix problem for you
ember sierra
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWyHRk Now this is the setup kindly created with me by @teal bison @viral ore and @cursive wharf. It includes the G.Skill Ripjaws V RAM, but that stuff seems very hard and expensive to get back in Germany.
Is there a good (and cheaper) alternative to the RipJaws?
viral ore
what site are you buying off of
g.skill usually has the cheapest stuff
next to corsair
well, at the low end
anything else cheaper is questionable
ember sierra
Where should I be buying? I use geizhals.de and idealo.de as price comparison sites
Maybe my expectations were just wrong
viral ore
idk, where do you usually buy things
in the us, I buy components from places like newegg, amazon, and ebay
places that sell tons of other things too
ember sierra
In Germany u would also, well maybe not Newegg cuz of shipping
Not sure with that tho
viral ore
ok then, list off a couple of common sites that you typically use to buy things online
if you order things on amazon, continue to order things on amazon
cursive wharf
Few cheap high end models to look for (including the ripjaws)
Crucial models (Ballistix Sport LT with "AES" in its part number), or specific Gskill models (Ripjaws or Neo)
note for Crucial
get 3000/3200 and then OC
little osprey
Neo is proby about his price range
little osprey
i was meaning out LMFAO i just woke up
cursive wharf
ah, well... Good morning?
little osprey
yeah lol
little osprey
@ember sierra which is most popular german retailer?
ember sierra
eBay and Amazon are obviously places to go
cursive wharf
Oh boy, that was my mistake. Was originally dual 144Hz tis is kinda pricy for that. Went with one 60Hz and not seeing the 144 was curved
ember sierra
Also there are some smaller retailers which I usually find through price comparison portals
Well in the setup I have it’s at $82
viral ore
eh, if you have enough desk, you can always angle the 60hz monitor a bit
ember sierra
But it doesn’t have a pcpp price listed for Germany
The price is allowed up to $100 id say
little osprey
ok
@ember sierra this is little more pricier but budget but would be good choice but looking some more right now for you https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07NPKTRS1?tag=pcp05-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1
its ryzen build correct?
@ember sierra is their a way to strech it around 150?
honestly most of 100$ and sub have poor timings and won't be much of improvement
cursive wharf
Also if it's just for gaming, could do a SATA drive due to NVMe increasing in price and kinda being "eh" to buy now
cursive wharf
gen4 would be nice, but I dont think Ill be able to get them for a while cuz im a cheap boi and dont really have a proper need for gen4 yet
not really cheap boi I guess... More like CPU+GPU
little osprey
yeah i am workstation user so thats why i got them for 3970x build i did recently
cursive wharf
If workstation then yeah, I'd generally recommend them as one should have the budget for that
little osprey
i only have 4 at moment in raid 0 on addon card from msi board but plan on getting samsung 980 when it drops
cursive wharf
Will the 980 be gen4?
little osprey
yeah samsung is making a gen 3 ver than gen 4
they show it at CES
@cursive wharf
not final product but Samsung just shown them off to please people
cursive wharf
That is neat. I'd take a guess that Samsung would have a better controller due to how long its been compared to competitors. Allowing for hopefully better speeds. But maybe by then there'll be other SSDs out with controllers that are about the same
little osprey
maybe Samsung is usually top of line for SSDS
plus with them taking a hole year later then competition you would think it will be harder match
i think someone at CES said one drive start at 8k Reads and 7500 writes
cursive wharf
I havent really kept myself up to date on what the reads/writes are for a gen4 SSD so idk how good that'd by tbh
sharp perch
can anyone help me I have a build but idk if I should switch things
stoic island
Post and wait
muted patio
Yes. The H510 has bad airflow. Consider Fractal Design Meshify C or something else
The front intake on the H510 is about 2 square inches...not good
sharp perch
what should i use
muted patio
Consider Fractal Design Meshify C or something else
sharp perch
any other cases i could use
muted patio
What speed is the ram?
muted patio
and CL?
sharp perch
that was the only ram of that kind
muted patio
You need 3600 mhz ram with the 3700x,. CL timing of 16
sharp perch
okay
sharp perch
it says 16d
muted patio
That means nothing
muted patio
Ah
sharp perch
just 3200
muted patio
need 3600 mhz
sharp perch
oh
sharp perch
witch ram should i choose
sharp perch
this one
little osprey
alot european sites don't post timing of ram so its best to look at pc partpicker or corsair for it
little osprey
O
sharp perch
so its good?
stoic island
No
muted patio
No, need to find 3600/16 ram
stoic island
What currency is that in?
muted patio
Hang on, I'll find something
muted patio
Really?
sharp perch
no nl
muted patio
under 100 isn't the issue
stoic island
Maybe get some from wegg and get em shipped to eu?
sharp perch
but what is the problem with the 3600/18
still roostBOT
Vamps#0001 has been warned
little osprey
OOF
stoic island
Because like sub 100$ 3600cl16 kits with like 20$ shipping would be fine
little osprey
all i said paided alot on customs
muted patio
IMO, this is the better ram then. https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/819294/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-16gb-ddr4-dimm-3600-mhz-18-2x8gb-black.html
stoic island
Like 40$ in taxes, and 20 in shipping
sharp perch
but for the rest is everything good?
muted patio
Better than 3200/18
Other than the case, yes
Let me check that website for something else
muted patio
Not really
muted patio
Their information is poor
muted patio
Corsair Icue 220
stoic island
Theres many
sharp perch
this one
muted patio
Yes, better airflow for sure
You have some warm components, need good airflow for them
muted patio
I did
sharp perch
motherboard is okay right
muted patio
I posted a link
sharp perch
oh the corsair ram
little osprey
its proby worse binned b-die but can proby be tuned up i would guess
on corsair kit
sharp perch
?
muted patio
That's the best ram option on that website
little osprey
i was meaning it towards bekora @sharp perch
muted patio
Everything else looks fine
Yeah, I know about the RAM but their options are limited. There's some kind of a shortage in the EU
sharp perch
oh okay
little osprey
strange
muted patio
It is strange. Nomad ran into the same issue
sharp perch
so how much fps do you think it will do
muted patio
Depends on resolution and settings
muted patio
@1080p 130-150+ @1440p, 100+
sharp perch
really that much
but depends on how the game is loaded
I will play overwatch, fortnite, gta and tomb raider and maybe csgo
little osprey
what gpu again?
muted patio
2070super
muted patio
Depends on settings TBH
My 2060 does 135 ish in R6 for example
2070 would do 170 ish
muted patio
Nah, it's not like a 2080 lol
little osprey
why do reviews show it matching 2080 non super?
muted patio
It's missing 400 cuda cores
It's close but still behind a few FPS
You may be thinking of 1080TI
little osprey
ahh i just skim over again
at reviews
yeah like 2-10fps difference
still good card for his build
sharp perch
but what fps on my games am i gonna get
muted patio
It's going to depend on the game
little osprey
you plan on playing on low or ultra settings?
muted patio
sharp perch
middle
stoic island
@muted patio side note, I have siege running at near constant 240fps, on a 2070 non super. Only thing I dont have maxed is shadows
sharp perch
it doesnt show my graphics card
little osprey
i was about to say samething my budding running 2070 and 2700x hitting like 210fps on high @muted patio {side note}
sharp perch
im using 3700x
stoic island
I'm using 3800x
stoic island
Yea that seems about right
stoic island
I thought rise of the tomb raider was much more demanding, but thats prob bc watching LTT doing 4k hdr
sharp perch
hey any options for monitors that can turn the frame
because that im gonna use for discord
stoic island
You had a mag241c right
stoic island
Ahhh
sharp perch
because I hate changing things you know
sharp perch
yeah but I mean idk witch can change the frame
sharp perch
so this one can go up and down and can change the shape
muted patio
What do you mean by turn the frame?
sharp perch
wait il get a photo
muted patio
What size?
sharp perch
idk 24?
muted patio
Thing is, I think it also needs to be 144hz like your main display
Else the GPU will default to the lowest frequency
You can split resolutions but not frequencies
sharp perch
so witch monitor
muted patio
Well, if you want 144hz, need to do both that way. Is that what you want?
little osprey
cinabench will always pick randon thread or core for single core testing @tight bluff
sharp perch
and any mice I wanna get bluethooth but have a g502
muted patio
You might be better off getting two of those monitors and then getting a different VESA Stand
sharp perch
lol its 300 but i'm not sure for these things I will have to wait
little osprey
if have questions about displays it always best to ask in #old-monitors-and-tv section @sharp perch
foggy hazel
@sharp perch you are looking for "pivot" in the specifications for the display
sharp perch
pivot?
muted patio
Yes, Portrait/Landscape are keywords also
foggy hazel
what you call "changing the frame" is called pivot
foggy hazel
the only one that can decide that is you