#building-and-recc-chat | Newegg | Page 454

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 6:10 PM

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because both PSU and memory has to be fixed

cloud dome Jan 5, 2020, 6:10 PM

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what atx cases do you guys recommend?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 6:11 PM

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@cloud dome lets take it in #cases-psu-and-cooling :)

cloud dome Jan 5, 2020, 6:11 PM

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alright

zenith glacier Jan 5, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Any idea why my keyboard have some keys bugged

sterile wave Jan 5, 2020, 6:58 PM

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What kind of bugs

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 6:59 PM

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the memory is that bad? I mean I understand its not 3600, but speed supposedly does not matter with threadripper, so in that case I can just drop the ram to 2400 speed at ddr4, for a bit cheaper, that leaves me with your recommendation of a better card, which in this case you said a used 1070 is my best option,

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you don't like my psu, so sure I'll replace it for something 10 USD more. the issue is of course that you argued that quad channel memory is better then my 16 gig kit. thing is I don't have that kind of money for 32gbs ram...

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:01 PM

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yes, which is why we are debating back and forth :)

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:03 PM

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More is better and speed does matter. Not sure where you heard otherwise. You want at least 4 sticks for TR

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:05 PM

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well I know speed does not normally matter but ryzen somtimes can use some of that speed. if speed does not matter for the tr4 platfrom is there a minumum speed I should look at?

zenith glacier Jan 5, 2020, 7:06 PM

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@sterile wave like three keys are bugged. Like 1 number ended typing 11 at once. ESC acting like mouse click

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‘ key ended up ‘2

sterile wave Jan 5, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Damn that's wuite funky

zenith glacier Jan 5, 2020, 7:06 PM

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I looked on ICUE, nothing changed.

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It’s my birthday gift 😭

sterile wave Jan 5, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Latest drivers, firmware, everything of that sort installed?

zenith glacier Jan 5, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Yes everything

sterile wave Jan 5, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Try a different USB port maybe

zenith glacier Jan 5, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I did

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:08 PM

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@muted patio the cheapest is 120 USD for ddr4 2400, 32 gbs ram. that is again the cheapest for quad channel memory

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:08 PM

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@fossil hedge for ram, 2666 is enough

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because that is the limit of the MC

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:09 PM

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126 for 2666 quad channel

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which brings my system up to 900 USD

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which is above, 850.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:10 PM

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let me ask in a slightly different way. Do you have any income?

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:10 PM

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a very minute one.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:10 PM

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hm, so not a realistic chance of doing it piece meal

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I mean I could just wait around for a few monthes parting out parts

wintry cedar Jan 5, 2020, 7:11 PM

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does anybody know where to find UV LED strips with either 4 pin RGB or Moxxel?

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i tried searching amazon and newegg but nothing!

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:12 PM

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@wintry cedar (https://www.amazon.com/Extended-Magnetic-Speclux-Addressable-GIGABYTE/dp/B07SQ69V46/ref=asc_df_B07SQ69V46/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=366315306136&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1071743375324327701&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028741&hvtargid=pla-789960335430&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=75347436639&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=366315306136&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1071743375324327701&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028741&hvtargid=pla-789960335430)?

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that on looks fine to me

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:12 PM

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If this the x399 1920x build

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:12 PM

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yes

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it is I. the fool.

wintry cedar Jan 5, 2020, 7:12 PM

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thanks @fossil hedge

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:12 PM

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btoot is just looking for leds.

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@wintry cedar I have the iq of the averge rat, but if you just use honey or amazon I garntee you can find a better price then I.

wintry cedar Jan 5, 2020, 7:14 PM

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xD thanks mah dude

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:16 PM

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those arent UV i believe they are just rgb led

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I thought purple was UV

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so I need quad but it costs twice as much, I need a better psu but I costs 10 USD more, and so far my cooler is fine just annoyingly expensive

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:17 PM

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no uv is a different type of light than color

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:18 PM

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@fossil hedge you have sadly placed yourself between a rock and a hard place. By buying the parts that you did

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:18 PM

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@wintry cedar (https://www.amazon.com/YeeSite-Flexible-Blacklight-Fixtures-Fluorescent/dp/B07Y5W65NP/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=uv+light+strip+4+pin&qid=1578251907&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExTk9URFNLU0Y1RVdBJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDkwNDcxVllaRTZaMEg1Q0JGJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA2Nzg2NDExUkRWNExJS1JaWDk5JndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==)

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:18 PM

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the solution is to go low on the gpu side of things

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:18 PM

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What wavelength? Like 405nm? Or blacklight?

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:18 PM

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there thats uv

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well my issue is that I am pretty sure I was planning on upgrading later,

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:19 PM

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yes, but there is a cost of entry (as you are figuring out now)

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:19 PM

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well I could just not buy the quad channel ram.

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the hard place is not such a hard place.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:20 PM

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for cad work, the ram is imo more important than the gpu you can afford

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:20 PM

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How familiar are you with the x399 platform, or the zenith extreme board in particular?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:20 PM

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me or him?

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I see but to be fair I have run on 4 gbs ram for the past like 2 years. it works its just bat. so if I bought even 16, its going to be ok,

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:21 PM

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yes, it works on your old system.

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which was not this

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:21 PM

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hedt is a different set of rules than a consumer pc

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Him, fwiw, I think this is one of the most challenging platforms to coax into stable performance even for the threadripper enthusiasts

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:21 PM

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yes

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:21 PM

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It's a t top board btw

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:22 PM

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and i say that as a person that has worked with the platform a fair deal

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:22 PM

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I understand, but anything better then my laptop is still on a toaster oven, therefore having a few bits more performince lost for a bit until I can afford a secound batch of ram is somthing I am willing to do

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:22 PM

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2sec, let me check something real quick @fossil hedge

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:22 PM

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ok

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Is your software even going to use all these cores?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:23 PM

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solidworks loves it Bekora

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:24 PM

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fusion likes ram and solid works likes cores and ram.

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Tl;Dr If the parts selection process is any indication of what kind of quality of life experience to expect throughout the building, config, troubleshooting, tweaking et Al, you've got 80% of the work ahead of you

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Yeah i switched to a trx40 system for it. it was the best for designing furniture

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:29 PM

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hmm

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:30 PM

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I don't design furniture.

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and yeah I am unexperienced.

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I realize that.

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:32 PM

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i personally did that change i dont expect you to buy a $2,100 cpu

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:32 PM

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ok.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:33 PM

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and nothing to be sorry about @fossil hedge everyone has to learn at some point :)

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:33 PM

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its main use is animation but lets be honest it at the point its that cpu its good for most things

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:33 PM

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I have a tincy bit of experince, that in my head is inflated.

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I have built like 5 systems and saved about 4 of them from death.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:34 PM

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@cursive wharf what psu was it you "reluctantly" agreed to at the 80usd price point?

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650watt is what is needed

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:35 PM

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it was a 500 watt 80+ gold psu https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3pqdnQ/xfx-power-supply-p1550gts3x

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(550 watt)

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so if I need 650, thats about 8 USD more.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:35 PM

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did Hei okay that one?

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because i know nothing about that one, at all

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:35 PM

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nobody has told me if that is good or bad.

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just that gold was nesscary for tr4.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:36 PM

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lets wait on Hei for a recommendation :)

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"just that gold was necessary for tr4" <- no, not really. So i think the context was lost on that bit of info :)

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Looks like a seasonic oem, solid, but needs a sharp discount to stand out.

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Tier B PSU, better than the Rosewill

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:38 PM

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hm

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:39 PM

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well so far everbody told me that my 1000 watt 80+ bronze was not sufficant for tr4.

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Had nothing to do with bronze

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nor the wattage

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had to do with the quality which was rated D by LTT.

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Nothing stops one from skipping leg day, but it's a worthy effort Nice

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:40 PM

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I see. so ltt did not like it.

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:40 PM

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By ltt he means Luke savejiejne.

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:40 PM

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as in linus tech tips forums?

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:41 PM

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As in 7 people that test and rate PSU's on their forums

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:41 PM

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is there a link to that that I could have so I can look at the list?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:41 PM

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@fossil hedge the context you might be missing is the utmost importance that a PSU can have on stability

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Who else tests there? The only active reviewer I noticed was Jonny guru who ragequit because everyone kept misconstruing his advice

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/

Linus Tech Tips

PSU Tier List 4.0

PSU Tier List 4.0 rev. 6.8 welcome to the brand new PSU Tier List! Created and maintained by @Princess Luna, @DatTestBench, @Stefan Payne, @GreatMasterAden, @PSUGuru, @Ave with a model o and @LukeSavenije Last Update: 03-01-2020 Tiering of various units is opinion based off r...

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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hence why we keep on talking about it

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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welcome to the brand new PSU Tier List! Created and maintained by @Princess Luna, @DatTestBench, @Stefan Payne, @GreatMasterAden, @PSUGuru, @Ave with a model o and @LukeSavenije

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Last Update: 03-01-2020

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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think of the PSU as the heart of everything.

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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To clarify, I like Luke, he's exhaustive with psu research

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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nothing happens if it is not in good condition

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and sadly, it is the first thing that people skimp on, because they dont understand what it actually does

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(and that is a general thing, not aimed at you Warlord)

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I see. the power supply I need needs 2 eps connectors.

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thats why there all pricy.

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or at least it needs to support 2 eps connectors.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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yes, because you have a platform that eats 3 times the power that your laptop does

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for the cpu alone

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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I hate to say that 1 8 pin might work, but that's another $50 tires on the Ferrari issue

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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dont even think about it

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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technically it eats 2.5 times my laptops power draw.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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yes, for the cpu alone

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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yeah.

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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No alwasy plug the correct amount of connections into threadripper its unstable with them all

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:47 PM

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without, them all I think you mean.

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but I get the point

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don't skimp on the power supply

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:47 PM

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no i mean with them

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:47 PM

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anyone feel like looking for the best gpu they can, quadro if possible for 80-100usd?

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ebay looking

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:48 PM

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well if you live in CO I found a bunch for 20 USD.

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(creglist)

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:48 PM

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that doesnt mean they are good we mean a good one

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:48 PM

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because location info makes it a "fun" search for me

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:48 PM

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At this point, OP should get a quality PSU, proper QTY of ram, and the cheapest GPU to put out video possible. If, like everyone says, the software likes RAM/CPU cores

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

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that is what we are aiming for Bekora :)

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

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I'm talking $20 GPU

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Get quad channel ram, and a good PSU

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

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he himself aired the 850 target,

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

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ok.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:50 PM

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we can hit that with a 90-100usd psu and a 80-100 gpu

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:50 PM

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nah between ram and a psu he sould have maybe 100 for gpu

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naed beat me to that comment

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:50 PM

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sorry mate :)

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:50 PM

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lol all good just didnt want to look i was disagreeing with you

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:51 PM

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That was my conclusion lol.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:51 PM

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cheers for clarification :)

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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can you look over this now, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8HYdFG, and tell me if the ram, gpu or power supply are in any way out of the line for threadripper.

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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i will slap one togehter fo you

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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ok cool.

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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That PSU is a D+

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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@polar holly
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LqxgPn
<- starting point

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Not recommended

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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really?

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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at all

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Good for fireworks

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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ofc without the rosewill

muted patio Jan 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Didn't you use the link we posted in here when you asked for it??

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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yes. but its hard to find the psu there.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Breathe Bekora :)

celest horizon Jan 5, 2020, 7:54 PM

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That 80%is looking like 90

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Forks/ hm?

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:56 PM

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whats his max budget for these three parts

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:56 PM

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for the parts exculding the motherbourd and cpu its 410

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seeing that I already bought those.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 7:57 PM

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so, ram+cooler+psu (and ideally a gpu)

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:57 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RNLcMc here is my take with a little over on cost

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 7:57 PM

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yes ideally a gpu.

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 7:59 PM

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@foggy hazel your take on that list

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:00 PM

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personally, i would really like a 650

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and cut even more into the gpu for it

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:01 PM

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well I can give you mine for all its worth. which is not much. its about 52 USD over. its got a rather nice but expensive psu. and the ram is slightly overpiced.

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well mabey its not its just better qualty ram.

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 8:02 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RNLcMc i can read swore that psu was 650 fixed it lol thanks for being able to read @foggy hazel

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:03 PM

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nope, same psu again

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yc38TW/seasonic-focus-plus-platinum-650w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-650px

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Thank you im using mobile so its kinda weird to fix links.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:04 PM

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(sometimes pcpartpicker is a PITA)

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:08 PM

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the G+ got a B rating.

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(evga)

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:08 PM

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@fossil hedge remind me again which quadro it was you had found for close to nothing?

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:09 PM

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well you people sied it was garbige so I removed it, but its a 15 USD for a Quadro 4000

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there was also a AMD FirePro W5000 for the same price

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:10 PM

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the current situation is this

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IF you are willing to trash your game performance, we can get everything else with parts that you wont curse in a year

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 8:13 PM

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isnt 1920x not great anyways in game

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:13 PM

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it is not fantastic, but it has gotten better. not much, but a little.

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the trashing part is because we are basically cutting out anything that resembles a modern GPU

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:13 PM

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well I kindof wanted to video edit be we can table that.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:14 PM

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no no, it can do that.

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it has the power.

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I mean for budget wise right now.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:14 PM

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quite literally for doing just about anything.

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 8:14 PM

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like for him the best way would be for him to get enough to buy it after all these good parts

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:14 PM

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aye, which is why i am debating the following.

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 8:14 PM

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or to just to look for a used like 1070 or 60

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:15 PM

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@fossil hedge buy that quadro 4000 or the W5000

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they will act as "good enough" for now

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:16 PM

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ok.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:16 PM

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take the rest of your money that is leftover after having bought a proper PSU, cooler and 4 sticks of ram.

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:16 PM

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ok.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:16 PM

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and save it. and keep saving it until you have the money for something that is a bit more modern

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i would recommend keeping a fairly sharp eye on the classifieds in your local area

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heck, there might be people in college that are willing to donate some unused hardware (that is faster)

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:17 PM

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I see. I mean I found a 40 USD nzxt case.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:17 PM

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your mate had a case for you (you mentioned this earlier)

polar holly Jan 5, 2020, 8:18 PM

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good thing he isnt in my area i bought every good priced gpu yesterday.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:18 PM

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case is a luxury right now @fossil hedge

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:21 PM

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is oloy ok for ram

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2ZLwrH/oloy-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-2666-memory-md4u082616bfda

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as in 2 kits of them.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:21 PM

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aye, it should be

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:21 PM

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ok. I mean its a bit of a not name brand.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:22 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nb8Z27 <- that is the current result, with oloy

fossil hedge Jan 5, 2020, 8:26 PM

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this was rated in there B catagory, https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8PJtt6/evga-supernova-g1-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-120-gp-0650-x1

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and I just want to know if that is fine.

pearl warren Jan 5, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Anybody know anything about what is coming at CES from AMD and NVIDIA?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 8:27 PM

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wait and see @pearl warren less than a day for amd

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there are plenty of rumours, but they are just that, rumours.

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@fossil hedge no idea about that specific unit.

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@cursive wharf you available?

latent bronze Jan 5, 2020, 8:32 PM

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@pearl warren rumor has it that sometime this month will be the RX 5600 XT

tranquil dust Jan 5, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Wow lots of pings

vestal cove Jan 5, 2020, 8:36 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9jNtCL

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Everything look good

little osprey Jan 5, 2020, 8:52 PM

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📎 Screenshot_56.png

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I was just able to achieve this by enabling PBO for the first time

stoic island Jan 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Idk why I get better 3dmarks benchmark results from 4.3ghz all core manual oc than PBO boosting to about 4.35ghz at times

rapid ridge Jan 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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What's the best 240mm AIO in the under-100 range? I'm thinking the Deepcool captain (https://amzn.to/35o8XJi) looks good but idk about aios that much

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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@foggy hazel for the 650w? CX for $70 or RM for $100.

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@vestal cove apart from being very overpriced and will underperform a lot for the budget, sure I guess.

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 9:39 PM

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thank you Hei

jaunty karma Jan 5, 2020, 10:12 PM

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@cursive wharf

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I need your opinion

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What do you think about

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Coolermaster masterwatt650 tuf gaming edition 650watts 80+ certified bronze?

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@cursive wharf

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 11:01 PM

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it was too dynamic

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@foggy hazel did you still want that 1070 pricing?

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 11:02 PM

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@rocky dirge nah, thank you for asking thou :) we ended up going a completely different path on it :)

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 11:02 PM

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ok cool

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I'm waiting for CES announcements, but I'm hoping whatever amd announces will push down used 1070 prices 🙂

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 11:03 PM

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i am curious "how much" they are going to tell us

latent bronze Jan 5, 2020, 11:03 PM

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@upper condor are you sure you were looking https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Hwkj4D/lian-li-pc-o11dx-atx-full-tower-case-pc-o11dx

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 11:04 PM

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because the rumours are very firmly in the "silly season with a boatload of silly on top" at the moment

rocky dirge Jan 5, 2020, 11:06 PM

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if that triggers mass selling on ebay, great 😉

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mining sales have already pushed rx card prices down alot, maybe rumors will do the same to pascal cards

foggy hazel Jan 5, 2020, 11:08 PM

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i doubt it

cursive wharf Jan 5, 2020, 11:13 PM

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@jaunty karma bad life expectancy due to poor capacitors

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So therefore bad buy

valid heron Jan 5, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Hi

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I need some help?

dry tinsel Jan 5, 2020, 11:44 PM

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i'm gonna enable PBO now

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i saw the thing about PBO and now I remember

dusty peak Jan 6, 2020, 12:25 AM

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Anyone know what minimum cpu i would need to not bottleneck a 5700 XT? I currently have a R5 2600X.

rocky dirge Jan 6, 2020, 12:26 AM

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oh thats a good match, depends on what resolution and settings you want to play at though

dusty peak Jan 6, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Im trying to get like entry level 4K and mostly 1440/1080p

rocky dirge Jan 6, 2020, 12:26 AM

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r5 is perfectly fine

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at 4k especially, the 5700xt would be bottlenecking

dusty peak Jan 6, 2020, 12:27 AM

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ah

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so should i maybe go with a r7 3700x?

rocky dirge Jan 6, 2020, 12:29 AM

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maybe

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r5 3600 then spend more on the gpu would be better for 4k

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 12:35 AM

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no PBO option in my BIOS

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so i managed a modest overclock to 3.6GHz base clock

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nevermind: i have base clock

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prime95 killed it

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 12:41 AM

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B450 board or A320?

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 12:42 AM

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B450

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Yeah, going to depend on the board if PBO is there or not

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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i see

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this is the B450 I AORUS PRO WIFI itx board

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gigabutt of course

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and yes i wound my way through the whole confusing bios

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Did you update your bios as well?

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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AMD CBS option

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NBIO Common Options

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XFR EWNhancement

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Accept

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Change PBO to Enable

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 12:47 AM

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i guess i missed it

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i'll brb, hopefully with the PBO enabled

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Well, It's kinda buried in a weird way lol

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Anni check to see if you are using up to date bios as well

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 12:58 AM

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using the latest BIOS

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also the option isn't there

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i found CBS and then went in and that's as far as i got

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confirmed no PBO on this board

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I actually just updated the bios a bit ago because i was gonna try an overclock

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it did not work

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R7 2700, dunno if that matters, is it a 3rd gen feature?

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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I am using a Asus Prime B450M-A/CSM board and i have that option

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just never bothered the enable it

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Should be 2nd gen feature

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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ah right

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well it's just my particular choice of board i guess

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Did you also update your chipset?

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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update chipset?

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is this separate from BIOS?

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 1:04 AM

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This is from a AB350 board i was looking at which when you look in the bios update list you would also see this https://i.gyazo.com/2a50487fc782fb858c80a8518d8f73bc.png

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 1:04 AM

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the only thing i see is EC FW update tool

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my bios doesn't show anything like that

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and it was at F41 out of F50 already so there were no special instructions

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just install F50

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/b450

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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i like how they're not supporting bristol ridge anymore

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Do you have CPB enabled?

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Core Performance BOost?

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Or is it on Auto?

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 1:08 AM

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it's on auto

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 1:08 AM

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change it to Enabled

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Asus would take those updates and make it their own as well https://i.gyazo.com/bbdd57f949aee6e9a04370e94016c2b4.png

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 1:11 AM

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installed chipset driver, core performance boost only has disabled and auto as options

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left it on auto

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i believe this is the end of the road in terms of options for boosting performance - though the performance of this thing is far beyond what i expected

celest fjord Jan 6, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Upgraded my boot drive figured I would show the difference.
Ryzen 3800x
Asus Tuf X570 gaming plus (wifi)
Evga GTX 1080
XPG 1tb Gen4 M.2 (Left) Samsung 970 evo Gen3 250gb M.2 (Right)
I was using the program Passmark to test the speeds of the various drives and these are the results.

📎 Desktop_Screenshot_2020.01.05_-_18.46.05.76.png

fleet talon Jan 6, 2020, 1:48 AM

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I bought the Corsair Crystal 680x. Should I keep the 3 front fans in place and mount my h115i pro on top? Not sure how I should configure the fans lol

grizzled escarp Jan 6, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Why would one install a psu up instead of down? I'm putting it on a solid wood bench with only two fans in the system right now

gentle fossil Jan 6, 2020, 3:28 AM

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@grizzled escarp you mean the fan?

grizzled escarp Jan 6, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Yes sorry

gentle fossil Jan 6, 2020, 3:29 AM

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sometimes it's just better to have the fan pointed up

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like some cases may not have ventilation holes below where the psu goes

grizzled escarp Jan 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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It has that if I put the fan downwards

📎 JPEG_20200105_223320.jpg

gentle fossil Jan 6, 2020, 3:44 AM

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weird

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facing the fan up wouldnt fix anything bc whatever that is would just land on ur gpu or something

grizzled escarp Jan 6, 2020, 3:47 AM

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It's the dust filter if I install fan face down I'm only able to use 3 screws to hold it to the case. With fan up I can use 4 screws to hold it to the case

gentle fossil Jan 6, 2020, 3:49 AM

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why only 3

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wait u screw in the dust filter or psu really confused rn

grizzled escarp Jan 6, 2020, 3:50 AM

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Because half of it won't clear to allow screw to go into the hole

📎 JPEG_20200105_225023.jpg

gentle fossil Jan 6, 2020, 3:51 AM

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wtf that's weird

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i don't see why it'd cause dust build up tho

grizzled escarp Jan 6, 2020, 3:57 AM

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I had to wedge the psu up a bit to have it clear the screw hole it was weird but all 4 are in now

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 4:09 AM

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So both of my displays went out twice in the span of two hours... I had Steam Open, I was playing Factorio. I Was on Chrome watching videos. I had my Radeon Tuning Software up and Discord. The Screens would freeze for less than a second and than both Inputs would go out, however audio was still playing though my headset. This was both instances.

analog hearth Jan 6, 2020, 4:09 AM

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What’s your Radeon driver version?

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The 2020 drivers are having quite the issues and I’ve been having that same issue as well

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That same issue on the 2020 drivers, that is

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System just locks up. Audio doesn’t play. Displays will just suddenly say “No signal”. If we’re having the same issues then it’s probably just the drivers

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 4:16 AM

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@analog hearth version... 19.12.3

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📎 JPEG_20200105_231637.jpg

analog hearth Jan 6, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Yeah. That’s your problem. It’s best you either roll back if possible to 19.12.1 or just wait for AMD to fix the issues

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 4:18 AM

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God knows when that will happen

analog hearth Jan 6, 2020, 4:18 AM

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I’d imagine soon

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Possibly by the end of this week but that’s just me hoping

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 4:22 AM

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@analog hearth glad to know its not just me... Well sorry its happening to others but you know. Lol

analog hearth Jan 6, 2020, 4:23 AM

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:)

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Annnnd my PC froze LMAO

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Ugh AMD

rapid ridge Jan 6, 2020, 4:42 AM

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What's the best 240mm AIO in the under-100 range? I'm thinking the Deepcool captain (https://amzn.to/35o8XJi) looks good but idk about aios that much

grizzled escarp Jan 6, 2020, 4:57 AM

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I was able to get it to post got everything wired back up and it turns on but my case fans won't turn on now I'm using the molex connection

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 5:09 AM

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What are some good m.2 drives

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Atleast 1tb

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Sata or NVMe?

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 5:10 AM

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And not extremely expensive

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Ah sata then lol

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this sabernet is $110, it's NVMe
https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-rocket-q-1tb/p/0D9-001Y-00024?Description=NVMe 1 tb&cm_re=NVMe_1_tb-_-9SIAME8ARP9899-_-Product

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Nvme

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 5:12 AM

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it's about as good a price you are gonna get on a 1TB M.2 in either type

rapid ridge Jan 6, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Sabrent Rocket drives are pretty well priced for 1tbs

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Any 2tb?

rapid ridge Jan 6, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Anything 2tb is GOING to be expensive buddy boi

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 5:13 AM

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just click the 2TB on that Sabernet page

rapid ridge Jan 6, 2020, 5:13 AM

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generally around 250

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 5:13 AM

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$220 for that sabernet 2TB

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 5:13 AM

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And also if i put in another storage do i have to reinstall windows or can i just transfer it between

lime forge Jan 6, 2020, 5:14 AM

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intel 660p 2tb goes for $185 on sale

rapid ridge Jan 6, 2020, 5:14 AM

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What do you mean by that? If you put in a nvme drive and another drive, do you have to install windows on both?

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no

lime forge Jan 6, 2020, 5:14 AM

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you cant move windows like that

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 5:14 AM

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you should be able to transfer the windows over if you are using a Microsoft account to log in

lime forge Jan 6, 2020, 5:14 AM

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gotta reinstall, but just log in

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 5:15 AM

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No. Cus i have a ssd rn and i want to replace that with a m.2

lime forge Jan 6, 2020, 5:15 AM

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right

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put in the new ssd, reinstall windows

rapid ridge Jan 6, 2020, 5:15 AM

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If you'd want to use the NVME as your boot drive, yes, you'd have to install windows on the new one

sand prairie Jan 6, 2020, 5:15 AM

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going from what to what? from SSD to M.2?

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 5:15 AM

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2.5 SSD to M.2

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Yea

sand prairie Jan 6, 2020, 5:15 AM

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pretty much what suspio said, if you don't care though it's totally possible to do a transfer of windows

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Ill just reinstall to b on the safe side

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Ty

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Make sure to set up a Microsoft account if you haven't already, it lets you transfer windows activation over without a new key

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 6:41 AM

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@eager chasm Do note that is the Q variant, which isnt as good as the standard non q

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 6:42 AM

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?

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Sabrent Rocket Q

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Oh, well he asked for cheap m.2 it fit the bill Dumb

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Cant say that the Q is good. May lack a good controller or cache

dry tinsel Jan 6, 2020, 6:46 AM

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it's QLC with SLC cache

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as the drive fills, the speed goes down (mainly write speed)

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at 75% it's worse than a mechanical HDD

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the way the SLC cache works is it treats QLC you're not using as SLC and uses only one layer (this is faster) but you exhaust the SLC cache and it's not good

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the sabrent rocket standard model has i believe DDR4 cache and a good controller

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extra $20 is a small price to pay

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 12:00 PM

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The normal sabrent rocket is fine, the rocket Q not so much.

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 12:06 PM

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@late ice what case is that?

glad dragon Jan 6, 2020, 12:07 PM

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Skrt skrt

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Hey all, new to the channel but not new to builds! Looking to upgrade something on my pc build but not sure what yet

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:14 PM

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welcome to the discord! 😄

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Build currently consists of AMD Ryzen 7 1700, Asus ROG B350-F Gaming, 2x8 GB DDR4 TridentZ F4-3200C16D-16GTZR RGB Ram CL 16-18-18-38, EVGA RTX 2070 Super, Samsun 960 EVO M.2 500gb, and a Samsung 860 Evo 250 SSD, Cooling is Corsair HT100i Liquid cooler

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:15 PM

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upgrade cpu?

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:16 PM

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If I stay in the 7 it doesnt make since to upgrade to the 2700x in comparison

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I would have to jump to the 3rd gen to see an drastic improvement

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The Ryzen 7 1700 is solid low voltage proc, that does well OC

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I thought about increasing ram, but have had no bottleneck issues. But I'd get a better deal on the 2x16 gb Tridentz 3200 than getting 2x8 more of the same stick

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Thought about rolling the dice to see if I mix those 16's with the 8's to get 48gb's, I doubt the dual channel would work. (XMP, or DOCP profiles)

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Then again the X570 was also a thought for the new PCIe 4, and get one of either Corsairs new M.2's or the WD Black

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:25 PM

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Anyone know if this ram is good? https://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/buy/kingston-hyperx-predator-rgb-16gb-2x8gb-3200mhz-dd/HX432C16PB3AK216

Kingston HyperX Predator RGB 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz HX432C16PB3AK21...

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Thanks for the input, but I've been pretty happy with G'Skills TridentZ performance thus far

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:27 PM

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hyperX is decent @muted dawn

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:27 PM

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It is, not shooting it down at all

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Good ram @muted dawn

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Think I can overclock it ?

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Over 3200mhz

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:32 PM

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should, if you manually step the voltage

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 1:32 PM

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U could I think

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:32 PM

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how much though depends on the rest of your setup

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:33 PM

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What u need to know?

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:33 PM

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your proc and motherboard plays a role in oc

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Proc?

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:34 PM

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proc, mb,ram

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Proccessor

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Ryzen 2600

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:34 PM

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what mother board ddo you have.

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:34 PM

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um

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:34 PM

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and having a power supply that supplies adequaate voltage helps also

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:34 PM

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asrock b450M pro4-f

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550w psu

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:35 PM

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then yeah, I run the b350 and I oc my ram over 3200

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Hmm ok

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:35 PM

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but 350watt psu is low for OC

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:35 PM

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he said 550

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:35 PM

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I mean 550

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:35 PM

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really damn

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:36 PM

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that's plenty for a slight ram oc..

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:36 PM

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I guess not much FPS gain over 3200mhz from what I’ve seen

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:36 PM

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you wont notice any gain really.

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:36 PM

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for single, but wehn stepping ram above the advertised, might require to oc the cpu to get stable numbers

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Yeh guess I’ll wait till I can get a proper cooler for the cpu

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Hopefully my gpu comes tomorrow so I can build my first pc

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Think it’s ok if I use my mobo box as a car ?

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case

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:39 PM

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for a quick testing, yes.

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:39 PM

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not for longer ?

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:39 PM

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I mean, I wouldn't do it long term.

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Yeh but my case coming later I think and if my gpu come tomorrow I have everything but the case

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:41 PM

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you could slap it up together to test everything and make sure it's good to go.

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which is idea anyways.

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before putting it in case.

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you don't want to do a full build, then realized your mobo is DOA 😛

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:41 PM

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What if case comes 2 days after think I’ll be ok using it onto of mobo box

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:42 PM

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I don't see why not.

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:42 PM

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ok hopefully the gpu doesn’t fall over

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:42 PM

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just make sure it's somewhere so it's not going to get touched/bumped

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jayz 2cent did a video about it

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using mobo box.

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:43 PM

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What he say?

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:43 PM

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watch it.. lol

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should be able to find it with a google search

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:43 PM

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he say it ok?

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watched too many tech vids 2 day CBf rn

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 1:44 PM

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no such thing as watching to many tech vids :p

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Aight cya ima go watch some dramaalert

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 1:59 PM

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I agree, can never watch too many tech vids

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Ive done alot of builds, and do alot of hardware repair. But i enjoy watching what others do.

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 2:09 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DgrYWb Thoughts on this

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:13 PM

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you like those spinner drives?

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I'd trade both of those drives out for a 1tb M.2

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but thats my opinion

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Intel has a M.2 that in comparison is faster than both thouse drives for under a hundred

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https://www.newegg.com/intel-660p-series-1tb/p/N82E16820167462 looks like the price went up

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:18 PM

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660p were nice to start but they arent the best for the price.

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:18 PM

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the price was at under a hundred before christmas

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Speaking of which, is there any significant benefit of getting a Sabrent rocket for Pci 4.0 over 3.0?

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As far as I can tell there isnt one.

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Crucial MX500 M.2 1 tb is at 107.99

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If you have a board that runs PCIe 4 then your read/write speeds can go up to 5k

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but running an older board at PCIe 3 using a PCIe 4 M.2 you wont see the difference

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 2:31 PM

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What’s the cheapest way to divide storage

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Divide?

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 2:32 PM

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Let’s say I want 1.25TB at least total

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SSD + HDD

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Or SSD only idk

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 2:32 PM

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@vivid atlas BX500 is a bad buy, carbon pro is kinda eh for its price, cx650 makes no sense as a PSU of that quality should stay as 450 or 550w, and consider the AMD 1600 AF as it's literally a 2600 but for $85

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:32 PM

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Can always get a 1tb m.2 SSD for 100-110. Or you can maybe get yourself a 500gb SSD (not m.2) and 1-2tb HDD

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a 1tb WD blue hard drive is 35, you can get a 500gb for about 50

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If you REALLY didnt care about SSD storage and wanted it primarily for boot only and a few programs, a 250gb SSD will set you back like 25-30

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To be fair 250gb is enough for boot, getting main programs opened and even putting a couple of the AAA high storage requirement games you play most on if you're very careful about not letting junk fill it up

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:36 PM

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I agree, pointing or downloads folder/documents,videos,etc to a seperate drive

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Is the 1600 AF on pcpartpicker ? Can’t see it 😦 btw thx for tips @cursive wharf

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And Nomad I’ll try and change the drives then, let me see what I can do

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Yeah first thing I did with my current SSD + HDD setup when I built it was to redirect Desktop + Documents + Downloads + Music/pictures/videos folders to my HDD.

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Yep I think 250gb will do, accompanied by a 1 or 2tb

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HDD

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Just make sure you get a WD Blue for good value HDD storage, try and avoid Seagate.

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Why, are they bad ?

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Least reliable drives on the market.

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 2:38 PM

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I thought they were a reliable company

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Oh really ?

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:38 PM

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I run a 6 TB WD MyBook Networked to hold all that stuff

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:38 PM

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A 1tb WD blue is only 35, a 250gb WD green SSD is 25, so thats a pretty decent setup for 60.

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WD blue seem to be the most reliable HDDs on the market, WD black seem to be the best performance HDDs on a lower budget, they just sort of cover every ground and have the least issues of any storage manufacturer.

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Kinda not really. Seagate gives out some unreliable drives, but most of them are rather reliable. They do have a fair bit of botches tho of really unreliable drives

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3tb being the most unreliable of Seagate

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Ive found the Seagates have a high failure rate, being that I am a warranty certified tech for the Major PC/Laptop Manufacturers

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:42 PM

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I was going to say there was a guy here who had something to do with handling hard drive returns and said WD were the most reliable and Seagate were the least, in terms of someone having first hand experience with many drives to determine failure rate.

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:42 PM

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I would stay with WD

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always has been a relaible spinner

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:42 PM

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https://www.quora.com/Are-Seagate-hard-drives-bad?awc=15748_1578321729_307abde56b108b064c32b032e77d60e0&uiv=6&txtv=8&source=awin&medium=ad&campaign=uad_mkt_en_acq_us_awin&set=awin&pub_id=101248

Are Seagate hard drives bad? - Quora

Working in professional data recovery I see thousands of drives that have failed. Seagate has far and away the absolute highest failure rate of any brand. You may notice another answer on here references Backblaze’s statistics and erroneously conc...

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Im surprised Dell uses Seagates as a prefered consumer based spinner

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but thats what I replace alot of for failed HDD

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Let me check what is available locally

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Samsung 970 EVO 500gb is running at 89.99 evo plus 250 is running 76.02

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Seagate does game some reliable drives. Tho most aren't, just need to know which to choose

📎 Blog-chart-afr-3-years.webp

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Also ew, Samsung 970 Evo (plus) is overpriced

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

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1600 AF doesn’t seem to be available where I live, the cheapest 6C is the 1600X, followed by 2600

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:50 PM

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It is but hands down has the best chipsets on the market followed by wd black m.2's

vivid atlas Jan 6, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Sorry for changing topics 😅

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:51 PM

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charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:51 PM

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but again samsungs spinners was garbage

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Samsung is only worth it for the Pro, the evos make no sense from competition

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As Evo plus is literally barely any better then say Sabrent Rocket

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:52 PM

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I feel that the 2070 was a better card due to the bad batches of gddr6 chips on the 2080's

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Its a super.

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Which is why a 2080S makes more sense than 2070S for value.

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If it was 2070 vs 2080 Id have gone 2070.

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:52 PM

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true

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

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The main reason I went for EVGA is the RMA process just in case so. Risk is a non issue

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

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still look out for fragments, if you start seeing those on the screen then you have one of the 2080's with the bad gddr6 chips

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I have the evga 2070S and it has been great, but I bought it a year ago

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before i replaced 20 of the 2080's for thaat gddr6 issue

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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I could have waited for new GPUs but, if I didnt plan to upgrade any time soon Id have gone for the 2080 TI so somewhat makes sense. From what I can tell, there seems to be no reports of that issue for the supers, mainly every issue seems focused on the 2080TI

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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bad pallet I guessing

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yeah, manufacturer's don't usually use the S models, its either base or Ti's

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Has anyone tried the Seagate Firecuda 510 m.2?

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Unlikely anyone here has, but to be fair have you seen the Facebook ad for it?

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Every comment is just slaying Seagate for their drives failing

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I bought a 4tb Seagate drive, because of data selling whatever the very next thing I saw on FB was a seagate ad for it, read the comments, cancelled my order and got a 4tb WD Blue.

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 3:01 PM

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well they havent been known for their past drives

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 3:01 PM

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That moment when your advert costs you a $100 sale rather than gets you it..

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 3:01 PM

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yup

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Not to mention they paid for the data to show me that ad in the first place.

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Buying that 2080S has left me with like £80 to survive on until payday.

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 3:04 PM

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I have a 150 dollar amazon gift card burning a whole in my digital wallet

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hole*

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Buy three live lobsters. Leave good reviews

charred scaffold Jan 6, 2020, 3:04 PM

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wished it was for newegg

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 3:05 PM

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In the UK, newegg is one of the most expensive options for everything, never the cheapest or best for anything.

sudden turret Jan 6, 2020, 3:05 PM

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can't blame newegg for that

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Mostly I can't, but the international RMA is a bit of a meme for sold by newegg items.

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Not to mention the kb articles contradict themselves like 5 times over.

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 5:59 PM

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my issue is that I will get money, later, and the ram that I found is fairly cheap. its 2x16gbs,

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and for the time the ram will operate fine, I do believe, it might like quad channel, but at the moment it should function correct

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/X2Fbk6

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Do you think the zenith extreme board will play nice with either 2x16 or the evetual 4x16?

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:03 PM

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it works with 2*16

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I mean the objective is to upgrade later to 4x16

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and the power supply is in the B rating from ltt

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:04 PM

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just remember, you need identical modules

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on all specs

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:04 PM

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yeah i'll buy the same modules later.

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I think.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:04 PM

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do NOT come running complaining about it later

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i will laugh

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you have been warned

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:05 PM

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I will not come running.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:05 PM

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i cannot stress how bad an idea i think it is, but it is ultimately your choice.

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:05 PM

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My bet is that happens anyway because that board will have a tantrum over 4x16 dual rank dimms

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:05 PM

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could you explain to my like I am a idiot, why you think its a bad idea.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Forks / ive had dual dimms in it. But way more specific memory and way more expensive

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because the platform (threadripper) is known to be SUPER picky about ram

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:06 PM

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I see, so I need quad channel?

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:06 PM

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remember how we talked about you having put yourself in a hard spot

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that is part of it

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Not saying it's impossible - but I'd guess memory config is familiar for you

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:06 PM

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you dont "need" it. it can work with dual channel.

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:07 PM

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well yes and then I convently forgot it out of narssicum.

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ok then.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:07 PM

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BUT, i dont trust any user to not set fire to themselves when push comes to shove.

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hence why i say what i do

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and as i said about the EVGA psu's yesterday. i know nothing about them. You will have to ask someone else about that.

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:09 PM

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I see, but I did have the B rating from ltt which is why I trusted it,

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:09 PM

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that is your choice

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 6:10 PM

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EVGA BQ is Tier C

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:10 PM

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i am not willing to say "that is okay". Because i simply dont know.

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:10 PM

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oh.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:10 PM

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it could be triple A for all i care about it.

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if i dont know, i dont speak about it

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:11 PM

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What was wrong with whatever we found for the psu yesterday? Why the second/third/x th thoughts?

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:11 PM

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they were 10 USD more.

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and I have the function of a greedy pratt with half the intelligence of a cynic.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:12 PM

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@fossil hedge just in case it is not clear. it is not that we dont want to help you. But we cannot work miracles.

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:13 PM

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I understand that.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:13 PM

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just wanted to clarify. Because text can lack clarity.

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:14 PM

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If I could magically pull 1000 USD budget out of my arse what could I do.

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 6:14 PM

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That EVGA has poor filtering but OK ripple and voltage control tests. It's just average.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:15 PM

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wishfull list building is a waste of everyones time.

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imo

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you have the budget you have. It will requires compromises from you.

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:16 PM

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well. I do have that money. I just don't want to use it.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:16 PM

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that is entirely on you

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you set a budget, and until you set a different one. We cannot say anything different

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:16 PM

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what evga, the bq? Guessing it's a cwt? I just read the tom's, / tech powerup aris reviews for a TL;DR

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 6:16 PM

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The BQ

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It's missing an entire row of filter caps internally but does OK on voltage control and ripple

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:17 PM

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it is 2*EPS right?

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Missing? The review says that?

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Filter capas are cheap, surely that's a design choice

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 6:18 PM

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The review I read did, yeah. Blank spots for caps

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:18 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zH2WrV

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hows that.

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Might have in-cable caps

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 6:18 PM

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https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2016/10/03/evga-750-bq-750w-power-supply/5/

JonnyGURU.com

Oklahoma Wolf

EVGA 750 BQ 750W Power Supply

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:18 PM

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gtx titan used for 120 USD, quad channel memory, and a actuily B rated psu which I thought I put on there but did not.

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probably should have asked if a titan is good for cad.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:19 PM

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it is okay

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:19 PM

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is there a better option?

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:19 PM

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why the titan again?

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:19 PM

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cad?

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 6:19 PM

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PSU is much better there

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:19 PM

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cad drivers

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Forks ^

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and its at least a decent card

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Just to be sure - could you link the exact titan? There were a bunch with confusingly similar names

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I mean if there is a better option I will get it. I also found a wx 3100

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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YFR48d/evga-video-card-06gp42790kr

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:20 PM

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if the same as yesterday, it is a titan black

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:20 PM

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thats the titan.

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 6:21 PM

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🤔 Me thinks you are pinching pennies in all the wrong ways

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:21 PM

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what?

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:21 PM

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so, not the titan black.

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:21 PM

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it lookes like just a gtx titan.

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it outperformed a the wx 5100 in a render...

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could proububly buy the AMD Radeon Pro WX 3100 which is going to be more reliable.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:23 PM

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okay, do i really want to go into this? ... yes, fair enough. In for a penny and all that

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:23 PM

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I mean this with no /s - that comboo of parts, I hope you're accepting of all kinds of bug chasing / troubleshooting

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:24 PM

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make a decision and stick to it. Because if you think you are having a hard time with things now? just wait until you try and get it running stable

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 6:25 PM

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and you don't wanna cheap out on the PSU, that will make stability and longevity of the system a nightmare, especially if you are trying to get higher end parts on the cheap

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:25 PM

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what, do I need to change to make it not be a peace of crap.

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the psu, is not cheap,

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Sell the board for $300, cpu for $120 ebay

edit - CPU market price is $225 ish*

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But hey, challenge can be fun and rewarding, you'll learn a lot along the way

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:26 PM

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you don't like my cpu.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:26 PM

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no, not the point

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:26 PM

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It's fine

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:26 PM

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you don't like the intire idea?

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:26 PM

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you are reading things like the horned one reads the tome of history

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you are trying to shoe-horn a build with a budget below the entry point for the platform

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:28 PM

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I see.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:29 PM

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@fossil hedge consider this. IF you were a client of mine, i would sit you down at a table, with a timer.

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and i would not be happy about it, but at least i would be paid to watch you waste your own time being indecisive about things.

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And i would sub-contract out the support calls to someone else in the field that i dont like

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because what you are doing, and how you are doing it? not looking like it will be any kind of "interesting" to work with

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so again, it is not that we dont want to help. but we cannot make miracles happen.

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:31 PM

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If you were putting an engineering sample epyc 7702 into a mod bios supermicro board - that'd be the "good" kind of headache build

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Same chance of success , but you get the idea

fossil hedge Jan 6, 2020, 6:37 PM

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as in you don't want to have this conversation. which is fair. I am indecisive, slow, uneducated, and ill prepared. I am working on a budget far lower then needed, with a cpu I have little knowledge of, talking to people who tell me I am doing it wrong, which I understand and fully comprehend. I stated I could get more money because eventually, I will get more money. that is quad channel memory, from g.skill who are a reputable brand, the power supply is fixed, and you have so far told me it just wouldn't work because it will be buggy. I get that I am going to set the house on fire, I am rather good at doing that. the gtx titan I understand is slower then the average card but has a 50% score comparsion to the top card in cad tear cards, and it has relative performance when it comes to video editing. I get that the core is old, and so far as you have told me buggy, I was basically parting out the system as if it was the one for school because the school at on point had a threadripper and it ran like gold, and I liked that. its a cheap card like you had ounce said, near a 100 USD, and I got quad channel ram. I feal like I did it right and you call me indiscisive, which again is absultily fair I have been wasting your time for about 6 hours, as I try to find a better deal because I have no money. I will do so no further.

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:38 PM

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You are again reading what you want to read.

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until you start reading what is actually said. I can only repeat what i have said before.

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:39 PM

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From what I've seen, all of our parts, build path recomendations took those factors into consideration - though maybe without explicit clarification for the reasoning

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:40 PM

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the reasoning was there in the back-forth between us (people giving advice) Forks

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:41 PM

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The message seemed clear to me as well - I try to be concise I guess, "try" haha, I usually err far towards the wall of text

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 6:42 PM

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we all do, because we cannot read the minds of the people that ask questions or give answers

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Anyway, no derision intended, but we help because we like to help, all voluntary in here 🙂

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Kinda hard to build a decent computer with no money

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 6:59 PM

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depending on the platform you try to go for and how high end you go kinda makes the budget. You are trying to make a decently high end CAD machine with a fair few cores and a decent GPU. With TR and a good CAD GPU you're looking at a pretty decent budget. With TR and a titan/decent quadro prices are going to be a fair bit above your budget. You probably wouldve been better off with a standard ryzen and titan/quadro setup. As such my suggestion would either be the same as Naed where to sell the CPU/mobo and get lower end ones for slightly more budgetting room, or to save up more money @fossil hedge

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 7:00 PM

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It's not even that. The budget isn't sufficient for the Threadripper build they have. Nothing more or less. Better off selling the TR parts for cash and asking us to build a CAD worthy PC that is inside their budget. Very simple.

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I thew this together making an indecisive mix of what's best for the user vs my own pet-peeves https://pcpartpicker.com/user/UCAUCA/saved/hFFJbv

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Ok Boys this is gonna be a big ask, I Dont know nuthin about AMD builds but i need a Build Around 2.5K CAD that uses AMD (Full ATX size)

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:04 PM

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careful there, that's 1660 non S for 1660S price

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:04 PM

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well - 3900x, x570 /taichi/crosshair/master, $150 psu, could go 750w ti at that budget if wanted, get 2x16GB 3600 cl16/18 mem - rough idea , gpu, - the 5700xt pulse/nitro , or a 2070 super ftw3 would be nice

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:04 PM

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@kindred musk start by listing what you need it for, preferences etc and what it has to include?

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:05 PM

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and tbh I'd say 3950x for x570 (ignoring the whole gen4 stuff here), 3900x can run on a decent amount of b450 mobos with moderate OC

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:05 PM

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@foggy hazel Ah My apologies I only need it to be Able to run High tier games maybe some streaming, and it 100% needs 32 gigs ram

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at minimum

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:05 PM

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other requirements?

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and nothing to be sorry about.

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Other than that Nothing else really

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maybe some decent Flare?

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:06 PM

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gaming and streaming but needs 32gb ram? Why tho?

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:06 PM

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I wouldn't buy a new $100 ish b450 to put a 3900x in it, that config is what you upgrade to off a 3600/b450 tomahawk when the 3900x is $250 next black friday etc

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:06 PM

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monitor?

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:07 PM

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No monitor Just tower Stuff, I run alot of stuff in the background

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I mean I havent heard of the tomahawk lets say not being able to handle the 3900x that hard

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:07 PM

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what resolution are you planning to play at?

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Uh Im not sure i dont need 4k but i would like an RTX card if able

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Seems a bit silly to put a $500 chip on a $100 board that uses $5 in IC's for the FETS

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 7:08 PM

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even TRYING hard I hardly ever use more than 16 of my 32GB, for every day use 16 is plenty for gaming and streaming with plenty left over

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:08 PM

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i heard that AMD CPU's bottleneck With non AMD cards

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 7:08 PM

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not really

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Ehm, no that's a falsehood

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:08 PM

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@kindred musk no, that is false.

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Huh

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I mean technically true, 200GE with 2080Ti

eager chasm Jan 6, 2020, 7:09 PM

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you will bottle neck with a crappy AMD cpu just like a crappy intel

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Hmm Interesting

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:09 PM

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but same for Intel pentium with 2080Ti

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Im not very well versed in PC building

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:09 PM

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no worries :)

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:10 PM

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@celest horizon bit silly, but we are talking about a cad machine with room for a decent titan/quadro. Afaik there isnt really a real horrible downside to it, just feels like it

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:11 PM

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So What would a good Game/Streaming AMD build look like? (Tower Only)

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if i put only 2.5k in

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Any requirements in regards to case?

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looks wise?

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sound wise?

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Flashy, No sound Requirements, A window, Prefferably big but not HUGE you know?

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:12 PM

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no, we dont know

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that is a measure that only you can tell us about :)

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:12 PM

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If streaming is of interest, nvidia's an easy choice, liekly that 2070 super or similar. Anywhere from a 3600 to a 3900x would be great, or go $300 x299 board / $1k 18 core cpu and never look back 🙂

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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"huge" is opiniated and not a fact

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Something Like The Fractal line of cases

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Thats the size profile

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Check out the F31 suppressor or meshify line

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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remember CAD, so prices are a bit wonky.

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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2.5k CAD? Still should be hecking good

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1.33x USD

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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and availability is weird up there

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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CAD Our Glorious
Currency

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Solidworks like single thread performance IME - , 2k parts = you'll appreciate >16GB <32GB main memory

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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not really

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:13 PM

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oh that cad

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:14 PM

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yes, that CAD

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:14 PM

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availability is a bit wonky on Amazon, but in general is basically the same as US

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Canadian economy is in shambles! 😄 things are hella expensive up over here

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Hei / seasonic can be ... interesting .. up there

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:14 PM

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the issue for PC parts is that alot of stuff has really high Shipping costs

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and that damage isnt uncommon in transit

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I mean if you try to import then yeah. But if you use a canadian site then shipping isnt that pricy

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:15 PM

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what are your storage requirements @kindred musk ?

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:16 PM

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1tb SSD not the motherboard one

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I have stuff that i plan to wipe and then move to my new Pc

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:16 PM

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any reason for not using a m.2 (what you call the motherboard one)?

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:17 PM

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you can LAN transfer the files

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dont need to plug into the old PC

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Im unfamiliar with the benifits of it

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And Like i mean im physically putting my Old hard drives into the new PC after a fresh wipe

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:19 PM

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no cables and no downsides

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:19 PM

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any heat?

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:19 PM

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not that you have to worry about

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:19 PM

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well, downside technically is price, but price hikes isnt much

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:20 PM

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that is evened out by the technically faster speeds imo Hei

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and yes, measureable differences etc etc etc

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Also as I said for file transfer, that can be done on LAN. Connect your two PCs to the same internet and you'll be able to transfer the files through that internet. Note, this isnt tied to WAN and your internet providers speed. So even if you have 10mbps Internet your LAN transfer speed will be limited by the router/switch and ethernet cables (usually either 100mbps or 1000mbps)

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Because of market share - 2.5" /m.2 ssd sata vs m.2 2280 NVME is surprisingly small, and the NVME drives have obvious benefits

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But someimtes you see a 1TB teamgroup 2.5 for $60 ish on sale

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:22 PM

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remember what kind of build it is going in

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Sunbow x3 or LITE 3d 1tb is usually $81 and EX920/Mushkin pilot is like $110, Sabrent Rocket is like $120

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so it is a decent price hike

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with the benefit of speed

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:23 PM

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$30 to upgrade to an EX920 is a very, very attractive option imo

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:24 PM

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yes, it can be. I just feel like saying "none" for downsides makes no sense. There is, just that it is comparatively minor due to perf increase

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:25 PM

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its a technical downside that does not matter for a build at this budget (<- yes, i should have said this originally, that is my mistake)

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Lets spend 1k of the budget on a 4tb NVMe :D
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/r3RgXL/sabrent-rocket-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sb-rocket-4tb

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but yeah in all seriousness, for the budget there should def be at least some NVMe

celest horizon Jan 6, 2020, 7:27 PM

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~~get an optane 280 GB for $200 ~~

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Lol
Also, how recent was the Rocket 4tb? I only learned about it like 4 days ago

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:31 PM

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@kindred musk you need more storage than the 1tb?

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:33 PM

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nope

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Ive had 1TB for 4 years and havent filled it at all

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:33 PM

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okay

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@cursive wharf a psu 650-750 watt at 175 cad max?

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@kindred musk how does this for a case look to you?

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https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/937

be quiet!

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 7:41 PM

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might as well just go for kinda stupid high end?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/LkM323/corsair-hx-platinum-750w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020137-na

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Hei, i ask because i dont really like the cad prices for seasonic 750 units

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aye, that works

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Something like https://www.newegg.ca/black-fractal-design-meshify-c-dark-tg-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352072?item=N82E16811352072&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwordsca-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwordsca-pc-_-pla-_-cases+(computer+cases+-+atx+form)-_-N82E16811352072&gclid=CjwKCAiA0svwBRBhEiwAHqKjFuQ_s9CxXzOptnY7b3YekV8cNe80sGQ0zkMtkU_3nJw8d8tpOronrRoCMMcQAvD_BwE Is more what im looking for

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but not that exactly

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My buddy had some of the front USB ports Stopped working

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:43 PM

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the easiest way in regards to the case, is for you to find the one you want

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because at that budget, it is a question of "do you like the looks of it"

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Im sure il find something in that CASE then 😄 , I guess im gonna have to get out there and look for cases in the flesh

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Cause i feel like i need to SEE it

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:46 PM

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aye, that is fair. one minute and i will have a suggestion for the rest of the build

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am i the only one having trouble with pcpartpicker timing out on me?

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keep in mind, this is a build that is fairly overkill in a lot of regards.

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and there are some fairly easy things that could be changed if you want to lower the budget

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6sC4Nq

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and dont worry about the compatibility problem it mentions, that is only for the old revision of the cooler (which hasnt been in circulation since before 2019)

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@kindred musk

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and as usual (especially for the lurkers), the parts listed are ones i have worked with. There are plenty of things that could be changed, so do chime in. But remember. CAD prices.

shut rampart Jan 6, 2020, 7:57 PM

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for a $35 upgrade should I buy this?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B41717Z?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
I have this right now
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07B41WS48/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=amd+ryzen+5+2600&qid=1578340495&s=electronics&sr=1-1

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 7:57 PM

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i personally think it is worth the upgrade

shut rampart Jan 6, 2020, 7:58 PM

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meh I will wait it for it to sell

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:05 PM

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For RAM I suggest either this: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jBZzK8/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc
or this: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/w3FKHx/gskill-trident-z-neo-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gtznc

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last one is blingy, but is pricier

kindred musk Jan 6, 2020, 8:05 PM

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@foggy hazel thanks for the help there chief! :D

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:06 PM

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np

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@cursive wharf your first link is a 2*8kit

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:07 PM

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yes, buy two

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:07 PM

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and lock slots for the future?

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:08 PM

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well usually you should buy the kit with the same part number (people just buy a new kit with different part number) and mix/match RAM

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so might as well make proper upgrading

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:09 PM

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i mean, if you buy 4 sticks of 8, you are filled on that board

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any upgrade from that point results in either selling or having un-used sticks

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:10 PM

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so by that you force people to sell and buy a proper full kit of the same RAM

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:10 PM

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you lost me there Hei

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:14 PM

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chapter one of "the desktop story": built PC with 16gb (2x8) of corsair vengeance ram (part # 1111111111)
chapter two of "the desktop story": upgraded PC with additional 16gb (2x8) of corsair vengeance ram (part # 11111111312)
-thus you have now mixed/matched RAM

chapter one of "the desktop story the 2nd": built PC with 16gb (4x4 [4x4 is usually more expensive but ignore it]) of corsair vengeance ram (part # 1111111111)
chapter two of "the desktop story the 2nd": sold original RAM and bought more corsair vengeance RAM totalling 32gb
-removes all the chances of someone buying and mixing the RAM

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:15 PM

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you are worrying/talking about something completely different from what i am talking about

grand jackal Jan 6, 2020, 8:16 PM

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So whats the best way to learn how to build pcs?

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:16 PM

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there is a total of 4 slots on that board. There are two (general) ways of filling those slots.

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:16 PM

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research. lots and lots of research

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:17 PM

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either by going 4*8 (now or eventually) or by going 2 * 16 (and eventually adding 2 * 16 again)

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i am advocating for the 2*16 because the customer wants 32 as the starting point

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:18 PM

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my point with going 2 * 16 and then a year down the road another 2 * 16 is that more that likely the RAM bought will be different

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as people tend to miss the whole "compare the part number" and just compare names

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:18 PM

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(added benefit/detail, when he gets around to wanting/needing more, the 8gig sticks would be fairly useless for most things)

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we are agreed Hei. we just talked about 2 different things

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different sides of the same coin really

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and yes, people dont check the part numbers

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they claim they did

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but they generally dont.

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:20 PM

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well apart from it being hard to get rid of due to age and ddr5 most likely, forcing them to reset their RAM just makes it better then random add seems a bit better

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:21 PM

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aye, but that part is way down the line (ddr5)

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:21 PM

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I mean like 2 years i think right? Next next AMD release, most likely

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If so that doesnt seem like a bad time to upgrade from 32gb of RAM as well tbh

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:23 PM

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aye, 2 releases from now (5xxx series)

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that will be the start of it.

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time will tell what the prices look like at that point

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:25 PM

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prices are probably going to be bad on the RAM side as with what seems to be any new DDR release

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:26 PM

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aye

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 8:27 PM

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then I assume CPU and mobo prices staying near whatever price current market is

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Which hopefully will be more or less the same

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:28 PM

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we can hope :)

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 8:34 PM

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lmao i can’t find a screw for a m.2

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because i found an old m.2 drive i have an wanna install it to see if i can get the data off of it but can’t find a screw that fits

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:35 PM

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that is why you leave the screws in the mainboard

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 8:36 PM

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i only got one

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 8:37 PM

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if your board has two m.2 slots, you have had 2 screws

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you might have dumped it when you originally installed the mainboard

little osprey Jan 6, 2020, 8:39 PM

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i just put everything in a box and i’m not seeing it in there

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i mean there’s a chance it fell out of a bag in there

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found it were good

safe field Jan 6, 2020, 8:56 PM

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In what ways can I afford to cut corners on an HDD purchase?

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I have a 480GB SSD and I would like to pair a 1 or 2 TB HDD with it

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And I'm wondering how exactly the data transfer rate and RPM will affect my ability to store games and code on it

tranquil dust Jan 6, 2020, 9:22 PM

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is this chat active?

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 9:26 PM

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mebbe

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 9:27 PM

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@safe field Honestly, games you play most frequently on the SSD, games without huge loading times on the HDD, you can easily even go with something like a WD Blue for that and other data if budget is a concern.

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 9:41 PM

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So is there anywhere I could buy like a single replacement m.2 screw

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Do ytou have a standoff to test the thread sizes in?

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I'd say go to a Tacoma Screw or Fastenal or a PC Repair shop

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Well I have one of the screws if that would help

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Its also not urgent I'm just wondering

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 9:54 PM

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U need 2 m.2 screws to put a m.2 sad into mobo?

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Nope

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Just one screw plus a standoff

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It's going to be hard to source for a single screw.

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 10:04 PM

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@muted patio do some mobo come with stand-off installed?

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Not that I've seen. they're usually in a packet with the screws

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Ok

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@muted patio My pc case coming today and I have all the parts but my gpu think it’s ok if I assemble everything but gpu until it arrives?

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I prefer to assemble outside the case and test before putting everything into the case

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Ah

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I won’t have gpu so I won’t be able to turn it on

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 10:06 PM

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It's up to you though

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Just harder to troubleshoot with everything in the case sometimes

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Hmm I see

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Ultimately up to you

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 10:06 PM

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hopefully nothing goes wrong

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Odds are good you won't hve an issue but if you do, it's just twice the work

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:07 PM

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always, even after all these years, always test boot outside the case.

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Can anyone suggest a very cheap ebay buy for an old AM4 CPU for bios updates?

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 10:07 PM

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I’m looking forward to building so if there’s an issue I don’t mind fixing it 🙂

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 10:07 PM

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I have a nvme m.2 that just replaced a sata m.2, I might want to have both in my build

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But I dont have another screw for the second ssd

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 10:08 PM

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@tight bluff AMD will send you one for free if you ask for it.

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https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100

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last section

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I thought that program was temporary?

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 10:09 PM

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@stoic island didn’t ur nvme come with 2 screws?

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Yeah but that seems like hassle then return shipping on the loaner CPU etc

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 10:09 PM

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@muted dawn what no
The screws are supposed to come with the mobo

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My mobo only had 1

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 10:10 PM

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@stoic island oh because my m.2 ssd came with 2 screws

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 10:11 PM

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The heck

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 10:11 PM

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I’ll send screenshot

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 10:11 PM

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@tight bluff they send you a prepaid return shipping label

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It literally costs you 0

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Oh really? Nice.

muted patio Jan 6, 2020, 10:12 PM

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But for the record, they send you an Athlon 200GE for the upgrade.

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So if you want to buy one get one of those

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Not viable on a larger scale but perhaps Ill buy some 2000 series because of the price drops for projects coming up anyway. Just that means I wouldnt always have one on hand.

muted dawn Jan 6, 2020, 10:14 PM

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@stoic island

📎 image0.jpg

tranquil dust Jan 6, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Guys best case with a psu shroud for under $100. go

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And free shipping

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I actually need one

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:23 PM

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@rocky dirge you watching the keynote?

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Im watching it rn

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:34 PM

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those are some bold claims

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going to be interesting to see the actual testing

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:36 PM

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What is this, AMD keynote or smth?

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:37 PM

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aye

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/15333/amd-keynote-presentation-press-event-at-ces-2020-the-anandtech-live-blog

AMD Keynote Presentation Press Event at CES 2020: The AnandTech Li...

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scroll from the bottom up @cursive wharf

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(i dont watch them live, my eyes roll too hard listening to the PR)

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hm, if that works as simply as that, then Smartshift is going to be nifty on the mobile side of things

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:39 PM

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I mean I cant really watch rn cuz im in class. Just wanted to know

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:39 PM

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what i linked is just a liveblog, so just text and pictures

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also, smartshift smells a LOT like a console feature

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:42 PM

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What I cant wait for is Zen2 laptops. Going to be not super hot laptops that perform rather well

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:42 PM

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that is what i am talking about :)

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Zen2+ laptops (4000 series) were just announced. Well, one specific one was.

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:43 PM

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mobile is one gen behind

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:43 PM

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depending on the rest of the specs, that Dell machine is very tempting.

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:43 PM

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so 4000 mobile is Zen2

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:43 PM

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yes

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because mobile is basically APU tech

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Its 5600M

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Also lol, wonder what they did to pull this horrible 9700k perf

📎 IMG_20200106_143349.png

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:45 PM

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well well, hello 3990x

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Cuz I reallly doubt the 4800H can beat the 9700k

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:46 PM

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64core TR chip, that is going to make a lot of workstation owners wallets go up in flames

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4k in price is not bad at all

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Oh yes. Finally 64c TR. That sounds nice

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for 4k that is hilariously good

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:47 PM

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indeed

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:47 PM

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or spend 3k for Intels 28c right? Totally a better deal

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:47 PM

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well, that is just brutal

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https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15333/IMG_20200106_144637.jpg

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Also isnt intel mobo more? Could be wrong here so idk

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I checked a really long time ago

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so I dont really remember, or maybe im just going insane

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idk

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:48 PM

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new TR boards are not that cheap either

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Yeah I guess there is the new TR boards as well

rocky dirge Jan 6, 2020, 10:50 PM

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ayyyy watching that keynote

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was the 5600xt mentioned yet?

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:50 PM

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they only doubled the price of the 32core version, that is very very reasonable

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aye. 279, jan 21

rocky dirge Jan 6, 2020, 10:50 PM

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DARN

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i missed that announcement lol

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:51 PM

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/15333/amd-keynote-presentation-press-event-at-ces-2020-the-anandtech-live-blog

AMD Keynote Presentation Press Event at CES 2020: The AnandTech Li...

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scroll from the bottom

rocky dirge Jan 6, 2020, 10:51 PM

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279 is a bit high for me, but supposedly it's 1070 ti performance

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:51 PM

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we dont know yet

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it was compared to the 1660ti

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iirc

rocky dirge Jan 6, 2020, 10:51 PM

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ouef, don't know if it will have any effect on used 1070 or 1660s pricing

tight bluff Jan 6, 2020, 10:52 PM

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It was vs the 1660 TI, and showed 10-15% improvements. But they might have been selective about their games so take that with a pinch of salt

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:52 PM

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time will tell when we get the benchmarks

rocky dirge Jan 6, 2020, 10:52 PM

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AMD just keeps that pain train rolling against Intel

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I think I might just go for 1070 because C:S and xplane eat up VRAM like I eat cheese

prime spear Jan 6, 2020, 10:55 PM

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yea but what about gddr6?

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:55 PM

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@tight bluff They should some specific games

📎 IMG_20200106_142548_575px.png

prime spear Jan 6, 2020, 10:55 PM

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does that not put any effect onto anything?

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 10:55 PM

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compare perf with 5700xt

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:55 PM

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nothing solid to compare with really

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we dont have the system specs yet

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for what it is worth, IF those graphs are completely bonkers, that would be first time in a while

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zen2 was under promised if you looked at their presentation benchmarks

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not by much, but it was faster than they showed

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that is ofc not a guarantee

rocky dirge Jan 6, 2020, 10:57 PM

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@prime spear I'm looking at some xplane benchmarks, and the 1070 barely edges out the 1660s, but keep in mind used 1070s are cheaper too 😛

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Su does not seem to like smoke and mirrors

rocky dirge Jan 6, 2020, 10:58 PM

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the 1660s matches my current rx580 (aka rx480) performance

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 11:04 PM

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I mean I dont really remember much of other CES but I woulld expect people to complain if Su overpromised on the CPUs (given how much people complain about GPU overhype)

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 11:05 PM

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the problem is that Raja Koduri overpromised a LOT, so it is just good PR to stick to how it is

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 11:07 PM

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How would a 1660 match up with your 480/580 when most games out there the 1650 Super matches the 580

cursive wharf Jan 6, 2020, 11:09 PM

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probs 2% better on average

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Well from a lot of game benchmark results the 1650 Super tends to be on par with the RX 580 and the 1660 is still higher in performance from the 1650 Super

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certain Nvidia titles of course the 1650 Super would be better than the 590 but a lot of benchmarks i have seen would usually have it a frame higher or a frame lower than the 580

tranquil dust Jan 6, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Someone want to help me with a case that doesn’t have $200 shipping

lime forge Jan 6, 2020, 11:33 PM

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what size?

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and what budget

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 11:39 PM

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wdym

cedar portal Jan 6, 2020, 11:39 PM

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So this is what I ordered for a refresh of my main i3-4130 system

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n7dGjp

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 11:40 PM

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2x4 kit of ram?.. okai

cedar portal Jan 6, 2020, 11:43 PM

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budget is an issue and i wanted an NVME drive

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also, it's a 1600 "AF" not a marked 2600

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 11:45 PM

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But... Sabrent rocket?

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I guess if its what you need

cedar portal Jan 6, 2020, 11:46 PM

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it's well reviewed

stoic island Jan 6, 2020, 11:48 PM

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also you could've went g.skill ripjaw 3200mhzc16 for 70$ but if your budget is really that restricted idrk

cedar portal Jan 6, 2020, 11:49 PM

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and for $10 more than that I could could've gotten trident

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the memory kit i ordered tested to within margin of error to the g.skill

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 11:51 PM

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your list is fine @cedar portal

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you had a budget, and you found decent parts

cedar portal Jan 6, 2020, 11:51 PM

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considering i'm coming up from an I3-4130 and DDR3 it's a step up

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 11:52 PM

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do yourself a favour and keep an eye on the ram market, so you can upgrade to something a bit more longevity focused :)

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 11:52 PM

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If you're just gaming you don't really need a NVMe

cedar portal Jan 6, 2020, 11:53 PM

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i have a couple of my games on a sata SSD, but i still boot off of disk

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 11:53 PM

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you should never have your OS on a HDD if you own a SSD

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the order should of been in reverse being the OS on the SSD and your games on the HDD

foggy hazel Jan 6, 2020, 11:54 PM

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as a barebone upgrade that will be built on over time. It is a solid start @cedar portal, enjoy the upgrade when you get the parts :)

cedar portal Jan 6, 2020, 11:56 PM

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this is what is being replaced
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TjCZ27

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i will say that that i3 was a little monster for a long long time

latent bronze Jan 6, 2020, 11:59 PM

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@cedar portal if you're just gaming really you won't notice any difference between a Sata SSD and a NVMe

cedar portal Jan 6, 2020, 11:59 PM

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the NVMe will be the new OS drive and probably WoW and Destiny

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keeping in mind my personal rule of not loading SSDs past about 75%

muted patio Jan 7, 2020, 12:00 AM

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The only benefit to NVME is large file transfer speeds

latent bronze Jan 7, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Ok well just so you know the difference you would see for those games would be 0 to 0.3 seconds

muted patio Jan 7, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Otherwise, OS loading and game loading are comparable to SATA SSD

latent bronze Jan 7, 2020, 12:01 AM

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@muted patio you forgot for heavy encoding work loads

cedar portal Jan 7, 2020, 12:02 AM

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i guess so, but the price difference between an M.2 sata and NVMe is negligible, so why not have that benefit, even if i never use it

cursive wharf Jan 7, 2020, 12:03 AM

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That's a dram-less NVMe tho