#building-and-recc-chat | Newegg | Page 437

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 7:25 AM

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It's not getting any input

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Like the fans lights everything's turning on

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Just when I finally plug the pc in, the monitor screen says no input

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Idk if it's because maybe I didnt push the gpu into the socket hard enough?

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I'm confused as I'm still pretty new to building pcs

dry tinsel Dec 15, 2019, 7:35 AM

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you should make sure you're plugged into your GPU instead of your motherboard

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like your video cable

cursive wharf Dec 15, 2019, 7:35 AM

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@viscid kite okay so
-3700x and 3800x perform basically the same cuz PB2 and PBO
-AIOs are more or less a waste of money
-x570 is a waste unless you need PCIe 4.0
-RAM is overpriced. You can get better RAM for cheaper
-GPU is overpriced. 2080 is EOL so if you need Nvidia then 2070S for $500 which is basically a 2080. Tho tbh RTX is a gimmick so 5700XT unless you need CUDA or NVENC
-case have close off front panel? dont know, but check. Cuz closed off front panels are bad

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 7:36 AM

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I did @dry tinsel

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Lemme try again

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Just to make sure

dry tinsel Dec 15, 2019, 7:36 AM

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hmm you should try checking everything inside and reseat it if needed

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Mmm got it

cursive wharf Dec 15, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Have a different GPU lying around or in a different PC?

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or just another PC to test the GPU?

dry tinsel Dec 15, 2019, 7:37 AM

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that's a good catch yes

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i don't think about the idea of having two PCs because i always give PCs away, i should probably keep old hardware around just so i can troubleshoot like this

latent bronze Dec 15, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Some people like having an AIO cause they don't want a bulky air cooler

dry tinsel Dec 15, 2019, 7:39 AM

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instead you move the bulk elsewhere

cursive wharf Dec 15, 2019, 7:39 AM

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I have too much old hardware. Mostly cuz my mom use to work for IT and never sold stuff. My dad just was a bit of a PC enthusiast so he also has some stuff lying around

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 7:41 AM

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Hmmm I dont have anything old atm :/ rippp

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I'll just try setting the gpu again

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Maybe it wasnt clipped all the way in

cursive wharf Dec 15, 2019, 7:41 AM

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family/friends computer

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Just one computer in the house atm. Maybe tmr

indigo crow Dec 15, 2019, 10:35 AM

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looking for a gpu around £500-550

wintry sequoia Dec 15, 2019, 12:18 PM

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@indigo crow

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Rtx Super 2070

oblique karma Dec 15, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Does this look like a good deal - https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/817291998729575/

Facebook Marketplace

Work station

Processor: AMD A8-5500 3.2GHz

Ram: 8GB

Motherboard: MSI A55M-E33

HDMI & VGA Inputs

Disk: 500GB HDD

Power Supply: EVGA 500B

OS: Windows 10 Pro

CD-ROM Drive

Mouse & Keyboard Included.

jaunty karma Dec 15, 2019, 2:16 PM

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How much?

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 2:16 PM

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thats listed 250

hidden perch Dec 15, 2019, 2:20 PM

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well your not going to be able to play games on that

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 2:21 PM

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building pcs are as simple as put part b to part c

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and plug things in

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your mobo lineout is really all you need

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 2:23 PM

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The complex part is choice of parts

steep elbow Dec 15, 2019, 2:29 PM

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It's basically Legos for adults/teens

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 2:32 PM

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how is game pass for pc???

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i know its pretty good for xbox

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idk if its the same tho for pc

floral tree Dec 15, 2019, 3:16 PM

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I know

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I kinda want to try it out

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 4:15 PM

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I got 6 months of game pass for free

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it's decent I'd use it more if I didn't already have all the games on it that I'd play

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@little osprey

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it really does have a lot of good titles to play

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 4:18 PM

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that’s awesome

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because i don’t have many games on pc

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but i just bought my 3600x and i’m gonna get a 5700xt so i’m gonna get 6 free months, borderlands 3, and the outer worlds for free

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 4:19 PM

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betwwen Discord giving out 3 moths for nitro and AMD giving 3 moths with CPU purchases, they stacked and I got 6 months XD

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 4:20 PM

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i got 3 months from discord but i’m using it for xbox

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damn so i could’ve gotten 9 months on pc lmao

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 4:21 PM

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when I got my CPU I picked Outer Worlds 😄

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Resident Evil 2, Devil May Cry 5, and The Division 2 all came with my GPU

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I claimed so many rewards AMD actually locked the account for more until I emailed them lol

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I didn't think about it but having light strips in a smaller case with a glass panel instead of just a window seems a lot brighter

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I'm BLIND lol

jaunty karma Dec 15, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Ello

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Storage or PSU?

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What should i upgrade first?

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 5:03 PM

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what PSU was it again?

atomic sparrow Dec 15, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Hello I’m new to building pcs, many here uses AMD Ryzen, is it better than Intel Core?

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Depends heavily like everything

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 6:11 PM

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yea

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literally just depends

sudden turret Dec 15, 2019, 6:18 PM

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RYZEN is king right now.

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bekora needs to find a new emoji to spam 😛

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pls

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thx bb.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 6:20 PM

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It's just a quick way to agree while I'm doing other things lol

sudden turret Dec 15, 2019, 6:20 PM

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I know, was just poking fun.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 6:20 PM

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I think Zack was honestly annoyed though

sudden turret Dec 15, 2019, 6:23 PM

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zack is annoyed by himself.

atomic sparrow Dec 15, 2019, 6:39 PM

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What can I compare i7 9700k to?

tight bluff Dec 15, 2019, 6:40 PM

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The money it costs in $1 bills.

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 6:42 PM

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3700 right?

latent bronze Dec 15, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Zack gets annoyed when people DM him even after he asked a question about something

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I might need to replace my 480gb SSD for like a 960gb/1TB SSD soon lol

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darn you origin access lol

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Why replace unless your out of 2.5 inch bays

latent bronze Dec 15, 2019, 6:55 PM

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It is a crappy Kingston A400 that is why

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I actually had it RMA'd twice once from the store i bought it from the second time from Kingston and then after when the performance wasn't what it said it was i started using it as a secondary and just stuck to using Team Group instead for a primary

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 7:16 PM

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this is my first time having one of those cases where the PCIe brackets hang out the back of the case, I keep looking over than thinking, "Where are my thumb screws!?"

strong moon Dec 15, 2019, 7:20 PM

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I was gonna ask that too lol

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Im just curious but

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Which one would suit gaming and streaming better? Ryzen 7 2700X? Or, the Ryzen 5 3600X?

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 7:55 PM

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gaming would be better on the 3600X

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and you could stream on either but I think the 2700X has a bit of an edge in streaming at higher qualities

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Hmmm I understand. But how much better would the 3600x be? Significantly? And would either affect how I upgrade my build in the future?

jade storm Dec 15, 2019, 8:00 PM

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if my motherboard only have a 4 pin slot when my cpu hs a 8 pin split into 2

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:00 PM

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between the higher base clock, the better IPC, and the insane no time limit on it's boost the 3600X is way better at gaming than a 2700X

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Neither would effect the upgrade route of the system

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Unlike intel they use the same socket and allow for more forward and reverse compatibility

still roostBOT Dec 15, 2019, 8:02 PM

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SynthNex#5141 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Hmm I see. So its better for gaming due to the higher IPC. And Neither would affect upgrading in the future. Gotcha.

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So thats for gaming, but what about Productivity like Video editing? 2700x or the 3600x?

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:07 PM

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actually cause those massive improvements are for each thread it's actually quite comparable in workloads like that

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I take that back the 3600X is actually quite a bit ahead of the 2700X despite having 2 less cores

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it's also a LOT more power and heat efficient

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Oh.. So despite the 2700x having more threads, it's lower that the 3600x in performance for threadwork?

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:12 PM

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yep

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gen 3 is just THAT good

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Oh wait 3600x is gen 3

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LMAO

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:13 PM

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first number is the gen, second number is the skew, and X means it's clocked higher

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Ahhh i c

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Damn

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Wait hold on, i think my breadsticks are burning

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So in summary

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:17 PM

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the 3600X is just better despite being a Ryzen 5

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 8:18 PM

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The Ryzen 5 3600x is better than the 2700x in...
Gaming
Video Editing
Coding
But just not streaming—basically on par

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I see

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:18 PM

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and the 3700X is miles ahead of that even 😉

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 8:18 PM

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I dont have that kind of money

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Well i do but.m

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:19 PM

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in streaming the 3600X should still be good

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Damn

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okok ic

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So could it still multitask

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:20 PM

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basically no point to having a 2700X it will be hotter and slower XD

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 8:20 PM

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Or should I have faith in the 6 cores

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I see.

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i mean

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its cheap rn

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but i guess yeah

latent bronze Dec 15, 2019, 8:24 PM

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I stream with a 2600 and i have no issues

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which i have no idea why people always thinks you need a Ryzen 7/9 or i9 for streaming

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:25 PM

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so yea streaming with a 3600X will be even better 😉

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well do you use software encoding or GPU encoding? @latent bronze

latent bronze Dec 15, 2019, 8:26 PM

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GPU

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:26 PM

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then that's why

latent bronze Dec 15, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Well i have done it with software as well when i had the 570 (cause GPU encoding for AMD GPU's sucks)

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:27 PM

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people who want Ryzen 7/9 for streaming are using software encoding with the CPU

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and it doesn't eat into game performance as much in higher end games if you have the extra head room with the CPU

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you can do quality software encoding on a Ryzen 5, but you can push even higher quality and simultaneously cast and record with the extra power

solid charm Dec 15, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Have had the 3900x for a week. Can now confirm that the 2700x was bottlenecking my 1080ti.

lime forge Dec 15, 2019, 8:36 PM

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no it wasnt.

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the 3900x is just more powerful

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doesnt mean that the 2700x was bottlenecking the 1080ti

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:37 PM

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lol

solid charm Dec 15, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Thats amazing then i get 20 more frames on average

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:38 PM

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in stellaris on my 1700 it ran like crap, but that's cause the game engine itself was slowing down, not that it was bottle necking my VII

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Hmm oh yeah

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So if i were to get the 3600x

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how long would that last me

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 8:57 PM

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as long as you want it to

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really you could use it for like a decade if you really wanted to

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though if AMD keep getting massive year over year improvements it will feel slow comparatively but you wont really NEED the upgrade

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:00 PM

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I see

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So i should be able to swap out the processor then

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Like at any time

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Should, if they stay with AM4

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Eh, don't count on it. I think 3rd gen was the last AM4 compatible processor they're making.

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Ah

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Am4 meaning the MOBO compatibility, right?

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Ah, so Ryzen 4000 will use AM4

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Ryzen 5000 will not

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Ah

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:04 PM

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SO you'll get one more upgrade before it won't work

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:04 PM

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I seee

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:04 PM

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they did promise 3-4 gens worth of compatibility

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:04 PM

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For the am4?

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Ya

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Makes sense

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im not complaining

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So if i wany to upgrade to a Am5

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:05 PM

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New motherboard

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:05 PM

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would i just have to use a dif mobo and processor

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ah ic

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And is the RE 3600x compatible with X570 boards?

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Yes

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:07 PM

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aw nice

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Which I recommend doing with any 3000 series processor

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:07 PM

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but then again if i am planning to invest in a Am5...

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Ah ic

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:07 PM

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AM5 will be 2021 at the earliest

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So you'll be waiting a while

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:07 PM

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hmmmmm

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Okay hold up

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lemme fix up my build

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Xyperion/saved/nTP27P

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This is my proposed build

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:10 PM

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List is private

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:10 PM

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oh.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vn8b27

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Does that work

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:12 PM

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If you wanna save $40, get the ASUS TUF Gaming WiFI

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:12 PM

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You see

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I debated about that

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but its like a mixed bag of reviews

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:12 PM

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best sub $300 mobo according to Gamers Nexus, Jay and others

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I have one. It's awesome. But, up to you

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Hmm Ill consider it

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Go DDR4-3600 if you can also

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:13 PM

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but is the pro carbon that bad

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Hmm

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Why ddr4 3600

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:13 PM

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It's not that it's bad, it's just saving some money for an equivalent product

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Take the $40 from that and go 3600 on the ram speed

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Maybe hmm

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I mean

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:14 PM

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ALso, that 860 is available for $59 from Newegg right now

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:14 PM

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would 3200 be sustainable for like 5 years

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Oh i already ordered oneb

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wait the 1 tb version?

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:14 PM

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3600 is currently the Ryzen sweet spot

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Or the 500 gb

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:14 PM

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1 TB VNAND

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:14 PM

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wait stop

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Ur joking

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1 tb 860

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for $59

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Huh

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Link says $59

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When I click it, store says $109

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Never mind then

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Yeah...

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the 500 gb is 59

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I know that

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Nearly had a panic attack there

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:16 PM

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OTOH

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:16 PM

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?

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:16 PM

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For another $20 you could go NVME

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https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Rocket-Internal-Performance-SB-ROCKET-1TB/dp/B07LGF54XR

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Lastly, that Hyper 212 is kind of a poor cooler. FOr my 3700x it wasn't much better than the stock Wraith. Food for thought.

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I'd recommend the Scythe Mugen 5 over the 212

gentle bay Dec 15, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Too late aslfjsbdbsjjdbbsbdbsj

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Return polilcy?

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Policy*

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There's really nothing wrong with what you have there. I doubt you'd notice the difference between any of the changes i mentioned, just some fine tuning, ya know?

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:21 PM

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the Prism isn't a bad stock cooler, considering it was made for a WAY hotter CPU

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:22 PM

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That one has the Spire cooler, not the Prism

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Ah

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Prism is a 7 series cooler

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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@dry tinsel I think ik the problem

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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you said 3700X so I asumed Prism XD

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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The mobo shouldn't be touching the rig itself right?>

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Well, mine did yes

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Like it should be kind of spaced?

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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And the Hyper 212 didn't do any better

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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the back of the MB, no, the sides are fine

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Like theres a few screws touching some contact points on the mobo

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yeahhhh

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that's the problem

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LMAOOOOOOOO

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@eager chasm tl;dr no signal from monitor keyboard mouse

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Everything in rig lights up and works

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Pretty new at this whole build a pc thing :/

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:25 PM

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... yea touching contacts is NEVER a good thing

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Thanks Ryo

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Ima fix that on this PC

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:25 PM

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depending on if anything got shorted it might not work

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 9:25 PM

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o

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o no

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uh

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:27 PM

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that's like the worse case scenario of PC building.. other than broken off pins

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 9:30 PM

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I hope nothing got short circuit

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Would any of the stuff even turn on if it got short circuit?

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Thanks for the help though
i guess i have to take this thing apart again :C

keen steeple Dec 15, 2019, 9:47 PM

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i5 2400, 2x4gb ddr3, gtx 750, msi ms 7707 worth for around $100?

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:47 PM

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depends of what got shirted if something did

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 9:48 PM

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:/

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I'm like hoping nothing did

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Although it wasn't my fault, i was helping my friend build it

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I think he screwed it in too tight

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HAshdaskd

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 9:48 PM

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@keen steeple yes, won't run any newer AAA titles very well but it's a nice value for a lower end comptuer

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might play some decent somewhat older games at medium

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like skyrim remastered

latent bronze Dec 15, 2019, 9:51 PM

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decent system for Destiny 2

dark hearth Dec 15, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Could run league of legends

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:^)

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:04 PM

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a potato hooked up to a 1998 nokia could play league of legends

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StaffSpookSmugLaugh

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:10 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Smith892/saved/#view=r8k4nQ Building a new PC, would love some ideas or feed back on the options i have or could go with. Any possibilities for money saving is cool too.

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Permission denied.

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you need to make an open list or set your list to public or something

kindred helm Dec 15, 2019, 10:11 PM

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@little osprey

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Open edit build and send the link in the top

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:11 PM

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ok

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:12 PM

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if I seen an intel in there you better be an FPS snob StaffSpookSmugLaugh

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:12 PM

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sorry, new link https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rz99CL

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:12 PM

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jk jk

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:13 PM

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AMD all the way

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 10:13 PM

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What are you wanting to use it for

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:13 PM

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That AIO is pretty poor.

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Ah I see you picked a Radeon VII

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that's a nice price for one, it's recently gotten some really nice driver optimizations too

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:13 PM

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COrsair Hydro H115 would be a good choice for a 240mm AIO

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Also faster ram would be advised at around 3600

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:13 PM

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I play a lot of AAA titles as well as some streaming. Want to do VR too.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:14 PM

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5700XT then

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Yeah 5700xt will be better the Radeon vii is a productivity card more so

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Sorry, Corsair H100i, 3600 mhz RAM, 5700XT

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:15 PM

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I mean if you REALLY want a VII, it's not a bad card, it's just not a good value... coming from the owner of one

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Yeah, save the money and get better RAM and a better AIO

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 10:16 PM

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I have duel cards of them I use them for a render station now

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:16 PM

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the $150 off and driver updated make it more worth that what it was, but still not the best value

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:16 PM

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so the 5700XT is more for the gaming side while the Radeon VII is productivity like work.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:16 PM

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5700XT is great for 1440p and VR

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:16 PM

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sweet

kindred helm Dec 15, 2019, 10:17 PM

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At that price you could also snag a 2070 super

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:17 PM

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the VII still out performs the 5700XT in gaming but not enough for it's price

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:18 PM

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true, I was looking at comparisons of the two and its was not a huge difference.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:18 PM

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5700XT is $400, 2070 super is $500

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:18 PM

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the only fringe case for VII in gaming is super high res texture mods

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that overkill Vram is perfect for insane texture mods

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:19 PM

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I want this to be a pure AMD setup, so ill pass on NVIDIA.

kindred helm Dec 15, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Understand

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:19 PM

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if you want pure power no matter the cost VII, but if you want Value, 5700XT

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that's what your choice boils down to

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:20 PM

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True

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:20 PM

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With the extra $150, H100i RGB and 3600 mhz ram. Should come out to the same price or a tad less

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Get that fabric clock up as fast as you can

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:22 PM

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I think for my first build i'm going to go with value over power and go with better ram.

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Sounds like a plan

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:22 PM

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save a few bucks

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 10:22 PM

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That’s always a good thing.

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So hype all my parts are slowly coming in for a mini itx build

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:23 PM

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I ALMOST regret getting a VII on launch

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Dumb

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:24 PM

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I regret my RTX2060. Ray Tracing on it is.....disappointing.

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:25 PM

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That sucks.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Yep. Live and learn

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But I can recommend better things to people now lol

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:25 PM

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right

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:28 PM

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@little osprey also your case... I recommend something with a bit more airflow

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Look at the lack of front intake on that case

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Any suggestions? I'm not super picky when it comes to the cads.

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Case

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:30 PM

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I atleast look for side slits or mesh on case fronts

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:30 PM

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ok

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 10:30 PM

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The nzxt cases aren’t terrible but they aren’t the greatest either

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:31 PM

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NZXT has an elite version with better air flow

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:31 PM

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The DIYPC M28 looks like it would have poor airflow, but it's amaxing

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And it's on sale

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 10:31 PM

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I don’t care for them they are so hit or miss with their quality from what I have seen personally

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:31 PM

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It just needs a few extra fans

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I like to pick budget cases XD

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 10:33 PM

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I don’t care for them. Especially next to better cases in a slight increase in money. I prefer the nzxt cases with their surprisingly airflow

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:33 PM

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But key things to look for is obvious way of front intake, and decent space up top for fans, even if you don't populate them convection will help

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Yeah that’s a must. The nzxt is a back side I take with quite a good gap. And has top intake

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:34 PM

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alright.

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ill put an updated list in a bit.

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:35 PM

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I personally go for a 2 in-3 out fan config

cinder vault Dec 15, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Any reason for not going with NVMe?

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You can upgrade to an NVMe M.2 drive for about $20 more.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:42 PM

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I mentioned that

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Sabrent ROcket

cinder vault Dec 15, 2019, 10:45 PM

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SATA III max is 600MB/s, while NVMe can go up to 3,500 MB/s. That'a huge improvement in speed.

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 10:46 PM

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thanks, if its only 20 more dollars, why not.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Ya, Sabrent Rocket NVME

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It's only PCIE Gen 3 but let's be honest, you won't be able to tell

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:47 PM

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I just recently got a Kingston KC2000 and love it so far. Just having problems with the SED feature (just posted in #storage-devices hoping to find an answer on it)

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The 500GB version was on sale for $119CAD when I ordered and worth every penny IMO

cinder vault Dec 15, 2019, 10:50 PM

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I was going to recommend just a Samsung 970 Evo. Only $20 more than what they had selected. The Sabrent Rocket would be a much bigger leap.

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:51 PM

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The reviews I read before ordering the Kingston compared it a lot to the 970 EVO and only the Pro version bested it performance-wise in 4k tests so for the price difference I decided to give the KC2000 it's day in court. Only been a few days but it's performing exactly as advertised and comes with a nice 5 year warranty.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Sabrent rocket is $69.99

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for the same capacity

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NVME

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Ah yeah that's a big difference

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Dont mind me I'll be over here with my Mushkin Pilot NVMe

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:53 PM

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I'm packing 3 SATA Samsungs and one MX500 luls

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Haven't gone NVME yet

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:53 PM

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I skipped over Sata SSDs still never owned one

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Yeah this is my first time using NVMe too, just got a new laptop and wanted to add one.

worn lodge Dec 15, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Hi I am new to the PC gaming. I was wandering if new egg had a good pc build that will have a i9 and a 2070 super with 64ram in a budget of $2000? I want to build my own pc and if you could post all the items I need with prices that would be great.

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:54 PM

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The time from POST to a usable W10 desktop is like 2-3 seconds, feels like the future lol

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:54 PM

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I have my NVMe and 2 7200RPM HDDs :)

cinder vault Dec 15, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Yeah, it's amazing

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Now if I could just figure out a way to enable the encryption without having to subscribe to McAfee or Symantic or some such it would be perfect haha

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Windows 10 Bitlocker

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Win 10 pro has default encryption options

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:55 PM

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I have W10 home and don't want to spend more than the cost of the drive to upgrade to Pro just to enable it lol

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:56 PM

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What more money? Key sellers my dude lol

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:56 PM

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That kinda thing bugs me, it's a physical feature, I feel like there must be a way to take advantage of it without shelling out $100+ for a piece of software to "flip the switch"

cinder vault Dec 15, 2019, 10:56 PM

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I got my key through Kinguin

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$30 I think. Something like that. For Win10 Pro OEM (not transferable to another computer)

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Yeah I could get a key for $50 but even that is more than I want to spend just to enable ONE feature (that is a hardware feature build into the drive)

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It's the principle of the thing at this point lol

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:57 PM

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You can get pro keys for like $20-30, stick it to the Man XD

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The man being Bill Gates

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Lol

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Haha, yes, I said this exact thing to a buddy of mine. If I have to pay to enable it, it will 100% be with a key just for that reason.

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 10:58 PM

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You're be paying that Per year to use an anti-virus version of encryption

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Its worth it

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For a 1 time payment

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Yeah exactly, I 100% agree with that, but I just wish I could find some kind of open-source software that would let me just turn on the encryption basically.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:59 PM

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So, the HDD BIOS password uitilizes OPAL

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Just an FYI

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Without having to pay for "features" that I don't want/need

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Hmm, so you think if I set a BIOS password it will turn it on @muted patio ?

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 10:59 PM

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No, not a BIOS password

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There needs to be an HDD password option IN the BIOS

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Yes, I have that.

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But I wasn't sure if that would actually enable the encryption, or just make it so I needed a PW to boot.

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Like, that's pointless if someone could just take the drive out and put it in another machine and read the contents.

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 11:00 PM

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I went with win 10 pro cause yolo, built a new computer needed a key

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Dumb

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:01 PM

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i had a free upgrade from WIN 7 Pro, which was also free for being a beta tester. 😉

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Ya I just ordered this computer but got it straight from Lenovo and ofc they want an arm and a leg for a pro upgrade.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:01 PM

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I'm still reading about that SED

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:01 PM

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They also wanted an arm and a leg for the m.2 drive hence why I just bought one myself and put it in

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Thx Bekora, I've been googling this and asking everyone who will listen about this stuff for a few days now and keep running into the same roadblock.

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 11:02 PM

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System integrators can eat my shorts

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Especially apple

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:02 PM

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I'm a laptop person so my options are limited RyokuHasu

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Ah, BIOS is ATA, not Opal

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Don't do any gaming, just need a nice productivity/media laptop for work and basic entertainment.

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

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HP has some decent laptop options without breaking the bank for extra features

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

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So, you're gonna need some third party software

cinder vault Dec 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

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It's like that with anything. If you know how to do it, it's easy. Otherwise, you're paying a premium for someone else's expertise.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Winmagic, etc

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Ugh, thanks for checking @muted patio , at least it's something else to explore.

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I looked at Winmagic but can't really find any pricing info. I'm a techy guy but this sort of stuff is all 100% new to me (both the type of drive, and the type of encryption) so just a bit lost.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:04 PM

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New to me too

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Taking a google crash course lol

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Enjoy running into a bunch of dead ends! lol

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Not really, just only a few companies support it. nothing open source. 😦

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Yeah, and it's hard to believe someone hasn't created something open source that will support it at this point. I did find one implementation from like 2016 but it seemed a bit sketchy so I stopped looking into it.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:06 PM

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Well, the problem with Open Source is that if someone has the Source..........

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It can be reverse engineered

dry tinsel Dec 15, 2019, 11:06 PM

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someone said something to me

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i can't find it

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 11:06 PM

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🤔 the easiest option may be to just go for a cheap windows key upgrade, who cares if you don't use the other features if you are using the one you need cheaper than you can get it with a different service

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Yeah I'm thinking that might be the best option at this point, just upgrading.

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:07 PM

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isn't that what I just told you not an hour ago?

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well, maybe 2 hrs lol

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:08 PM

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There's nothing wrong with asking for a 2nd opinion @old sable 😂

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:08 PM

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good, now you have confirmation 🤣

cinder vault Dec 15, 2019, 11:09 PM

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@stuck rover, what are you looking to do exactly?

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Sorry, I jumped in the middle of the conversation

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:09 PM

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The fact that you offered any solution other than "switch to linux" was surprising anyway had lol

eager chasm Dec 15, 2019, 11:09 PM

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@muted patio but that's why 2048 bit encryption exists, they key is the result of multiplying 2 really huge prime numbers together, it's open source but hard to reverse engineer

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:09 PM

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I've given up on you ever seeing the light, Rob lol

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Nah all good Malison, basically I just want to enable the TCG Opal 2.0 self encryption on a Kingston KC2000 without having to pay for license upgrades, 3rd party software, etc

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I kinda got stuck in the mindset that there must be a way, but at this point I'm thinking that there really is no other option.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Third party software

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Or bitlocker eDrive

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Really the only two options

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Or Linux with sedutil

cinder vault Dec 15, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Ahh.. okay. For some reason I thought you were looking to upgrade your hard drive with Windows on it. I was off looking for something I had used to clone my boot drive a while back.

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:11 PM

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What is eDrive? That one I haven't heard of.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:11 PM

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That's what Bitlocker uses

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Oh shoot sorry about that @cinder vault , thx for googling it just the same 🙂

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Ah, gotcha.

cinder vault Dec 15, 2019, 11:12 PM

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haha, it's my fault. I was completely distracted

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:14 PM

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This is what's driving me nuts: "computer has a solid-state drive that says it can handle hardware encryption, BitLocker doesn’t do anything at all. BitLocker just trusts the SSD to encrypt your files, abandoning all responsibility. ".......so basically it's just a switch that turns the darn thing on and it's just unbelievable there's no way to flip that switch without having to pay again

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:15 PM

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M$ strikes again

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:16 PM

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It's not MS though

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Not blaming MS on that one (although they deserve a lot of blame for many other reasons as well lol), blaming Kingston (and other drive manufacturers). No reason the SSD utility from Kingston can't have a "turn on encryption" switch if that's all it is.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Samsung has one

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Samsung Magician

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:17 PM

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@muted patio but BitLocker is something I'd expect MS to include with every OS edition it releases, not just a select few

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Who's gonna use Bitlocker at home?

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Rawb, for one

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:17 PM

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how many home consumers even know what drive encryption is?

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:17 PM

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This is all I get in the Kingston utility, can't turn it on or off, only revert it if it's already enabled.

📎 Capture.PNG

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Rawb is a small minority, very small

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the only people who really care about encryption are typically business owners.

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:18 PM

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I just think that at this point it's silly not to encrypt if possible. I mean, it's a physical hardware thing on the drive, zero performance impact, so why not turn it on just for peace of mind?

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:18 PM

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not disagreeing

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:18 PM

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but how many business owners opt for the Pro version? they're just as likely tobe thinking of saving money

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Well, most businesses use RDP and other things that need Pro.

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:20 PM

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larger ones, anyway

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Even smaller ones

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My old job only had 7 people and all of us had Pro for RDP. Of course, we did a lot of business with the government that required security anyway but....

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:22 PM

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I do use my computer for work, BYOD type deal, and while they don't require encryption I do have a lot of stuff on my PC that I'd rather not have accessible if someone stole my computer. Not to mention all the personal stuff.

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:22 PM

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well, it is what it is, and it isn't gonna change with me ranting about MS release policies, so I'll stop now

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hey Rawb, how'd you get that IEEE 1667 enabled?

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:24 PM

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No, your opinion is perfectly fine

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:24 PM

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nah I can't be bothered with that one

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:24 PM

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MS is far from an angel

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:24 PM

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it's only for removable media afaik, which I rarely use

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Ironically that one can be activated from the kingston software

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Bekora, show me just one international corporation that even resembles an angel

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coz I don't believe one exists

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Well, the only thing I have to say to that is that if you search for the bad, you will only find the bad. If you seek the good, you will find the good. Mayhaps you should change what you are looking for if you want to change what you find.

hidden perch Dec 15, 2019, 11:27 PM

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TRUE

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:27 PM

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ahh, no, I'm not... I just asked you if you had gone out seeking the good, and actually found one lol

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:28 PM

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I don't care to get into discussions about corporations and the opinion of good or evil. Most of the answers are entirely subjective

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besides, that's a general discussion chat, not a build chat.

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:29 PM

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now they're onto AA battery lifetimes over there lol

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but you are of course quite right

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Yeah sorry, I kinda side tracked the convo. I posted in the #storage-devices channel but then just happened to see everyone in here talking about these m.2 drives and chimed in.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Nah, you're fine

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:30 PM

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it's not that dude.. it's me ranting about MS lol

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:31 PM

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The corporation thing typically involves politics and that's a no no

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Nah, MS isn't the best

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Yeah but before I brought up all this SED drive stuff there was a perfectly good convo comparing the different manufactuerers happening lol

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Eh, SED is a pretty unique topic.

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Yeah, which I honestly find a bit surprising. They've been around for a while and it's an easy "security upgrade" if you're even moderately conscious of that kind of thing.

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:35 PM

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I think you mean SSD drive stuff

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Let's face it, the majority of the populace is not even remotely conscious of that kind of thing until it becomes a national news headline

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Sadly that's true Bekora

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And nah had, it's been years since drive manufacturers started including these hardware features

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:36 PM

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On the other hand, they really have no reason to be. Who's gonna log into Grandma Marthas computer remotely to see what knitting pattern she likes best?

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Those types of attacks are targeted, not random

old sable Dec 15, 2019, 11:37 PM

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unless they want to grab Grandma's computer as a home for some bot

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I think of it more from the side of if my computer got lost/stolen anyone could take the drive out and just see what's on it.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:37 PM

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IOT is our worst enemy now, not every day users. Besides, with Windows Home NOT including RDP, it's typically safer because the remote ability isn't even there

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For a laptop, absolutely

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:37 PM

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ya

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:37 PM

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But most people would go third party software encryption there and not hardware

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Like, just encrypt a couple folders with important information

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Because the rest of the information on the drive is useless

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Yup, def an option, but it's just the fact that that capability is right there to seamlessly encrypt the entire drive in a no-brainer kinda way (once it's all setup). A "set it and forget it" option.

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Interesting thought: Does iOS offer SED software built in?

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It's a linux based OS

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:39 PM

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No idea, I'm a Windows/Android guy

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Me too

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but a TON of professionals and business use iOS

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:39 PM

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I mean, my phone is encrypted by default, no need to purchase "Android Pro" lol

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Android is a Linux base also.

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Just looked at this and now I'm questioning if it's even worth the hassle. Even with bitlocker there are hoops to jump through. https://media.kingston.com/kingston/articles/enabling-and-disabling-edrive-to-utilize-hardware-encryption-us.pdf

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Welp if nothing else this chat has confirmed I'm not just overlooking the obvious, this really is a pain in the neck lol

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:41 PM

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I also found a PDF about Opal vulnerabilities but didn't read it

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:41 PM

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yeah some drive makers weren't implementing it correctly. Samsung left a master password blank at some point....

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Just like all the IOT devices with generic username and password that no one changes...........

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:42 PM

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yup

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Which ended up killing the internet for an entire DAY

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lulz

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 11:47 PM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7xXJn7 Updated list

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Looks good!!

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And less than the first one!

stuck rover Dec 15, 2019, 11:49 PM

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Dang that's nice!

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:49 PM

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man

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why pay full for a 5700xt

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just get a 1080ti used

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 11:49 PM

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good price and everything, want to keep the build AMD themed

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:50 PM

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owait

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One more recommendation

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Don't go with a blower style AMD

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:50 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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not good price

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not good

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:50 PM

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PowerColr Red Dragon from Amazon is $409

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Dood doesn't want nVidia

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:51 PM

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i know

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just said its not a v good price

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im picking up a 1080 soon because theyre just so cheap

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:52 PM

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@little osprey change the GPU to PowerColor Red Dragon from Amazon is $409. Then you're 100% good to go.

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Or wherever you can find it cheapest

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:52 PM

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thats true tho

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blower cards suck ween

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 11:52 PM

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ok

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:52 PM

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he may want to look into cheaper ram unless he really wants that set

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:52 PM

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32 GB?

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:52 PM

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if hes adamant on "screw the 1080ti" then i imagine he doesnt care

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:53 PM

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tridentz royal isnt better just looks good

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:53 PM

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yea

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and?

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hes getting the 5700xt because "it looks good"

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Right. Looks are subjective. I don't argue with looks unless it's a super bad choice.

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No, he's getting the 5700 because they want an all AMD build

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:53 PM

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@little osprey https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Overclocked-DisplayPort-Graphics-ROG-STRIX-RX5700XT-O8G-GAMING/dp/B07X7KNBMK/ref=sr_1_14?keywords=5700xt&qid=1576453946&sr=8-14

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:53 PM

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no nVidia

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:53 PM

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for looks

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bruh

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:54 PM

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im just saying that because if he doesnt know it may help him

little osprey Dec 15, 2019, 11:54 PM

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what ram should i get them

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:54 PM

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trident z normals are imo better looking

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/gtx-1080-strix/264568057999?hash=item3d997c308f:g:x7AAAOSwRiJd9odD

eBay

gtx 1080 strix

gtx 1080 strix. Pretty much never used sat in a ware house most it’s life just got it this week used it to make sure it’s working good but that’s all and want it gone

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i want p much this

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exactly

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:55 PM

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if you dont care for looks but want rgb go with regular tridentz neo or normal

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:55 PM

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wdym "dont care for looks"

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the normal trident z

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is sexy

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:55 PM

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i still say royal is better

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:56 PM

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its opinion on that

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but the fact is that normals dont look bad

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:56 PM

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same with youts

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:56 PM

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theyre just polished metal

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:56 PM

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i personally hate the look

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:56 PM

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lies

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:57 PM

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i run custom panted dominator platinum or

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vengance

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my main build is running 4x32 of vengeance corsair

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:58 PM

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how you feel about t-force?

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4x32?

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whyyyyyyy

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:58 PM

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i work in animation

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:58 PM

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oh

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makes sense

muted patio Dec 15, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Then you have me who doesn't like RGB at all lulz.

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:58 PM

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how much ram does the average animation software use?

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:58 PM

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to each their own

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all of it

toxic tusk Dec 15, 2019, 11:58 PM

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i like moderate rgb

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can def. be overdone imo

polar holly Dec 15, 2019, 11:59 PM

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ohh yeah elegant builds are the best minimal rgb but wiht good parts also

toxic tusk Dec 16, 2019, 12:00 AM

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like my ideal is: aio, strix gpu and board, and some case lighting

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no extra strips or rgb cables or a psu if it shows

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:00 AM

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i only use cooling, mobo, and gpu

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for rgb

toxic tusk Dec 16, 2019, 12:01 AM

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im about to get a h5(1)0i and a better psu but rn i just use a cooling, ram, mobo, and light strip

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light strip since i have no case lighting by default

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:01 AM

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i dont like case lighting or light strpis imo

toxic tusk Dec 16, 2019, 12:01 AM

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omfg i forgot i cant run siege if i OC my cpu

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ugh

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i dont like my light strips tbh

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:02 AM

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why cant you run it

toxic tusk Dec 16, 2019, 12:02 AM

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its just worse without it

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i cant connect to online

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idk

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why

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its been like this for like 4 months and they still havent fixed

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:02 AM

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thats probably on your end then

toxic tusk Dec 16, 2019, 12:02 AM

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no

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the same day it started tons of people were reporting it

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the same thing happens to my ram and COD

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except i can connect online i just get terrible fps

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:03 AM

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ohh never had it and i am running a massive oc on like everything

toxic tusk Dec 16, 2019, 12:03 AM

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i think its actually because of my cpu

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:03 AM

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what cpu

toxic tusk Dec 16, 2019, 12:03 AM

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first gen ryzen is aids

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1700

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:04 AM

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ahh might be. i am running a 3800 in my gaming computer. oc'd to 4.6

toxic tusk Dec 16, 2019, 12:04 AM

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1700 and a 1060 peasant here

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:04 AM

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still good components i have seen worse

toxic tusk Dec 16, 2019, 12:04 AM

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honestly feel like the 1700 will bottleneck a 1080

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:05 AM

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not all that much i wouldnt think. i have never run that setup so i cant tell you

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 12:05 AM

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3700x, PBO to 4.3. I left it alone. a couple hundred mhz wasn't worth it to me.

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:06 AM

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fair i wanted to see how high mine went and was 100 percent stable thats what i got to

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 12:07 AM

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I could get more if I did manual voltage and OC but honestly this is fine. Water cooling helped a lot to sustain the 4.3 without throttling

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:07 AM

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yeah dont blame that

eager chasm Dec 16, 2019, 12:17 AM

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A 1700 won't bottleneck a 1080

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It didn't bottleneck my VII

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For about 10 months i used a 1700 with it, no problems

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The first gen ryzen was good, it just seems so slow and bad cause AMD made insane year over year improvements

dry tinsel Dec 16, 2019, 12:21 AM

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is anyone waiting for the non-X 3900? it's gonna be a beast

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and also cheaper

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and overclockable so no point in getting the X

eager chasm Dec 16, 2019, 12:22 AM

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There is a point, and it's called binning

dry tinsel Dec 16, 2019, 12:22 AM

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so they put the better binned chips into the X series

eager chasm Dec 16, 2019, 12:22 AM

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The X will be binned better can can clock higher overall

dry tinsel Dec 16, 2019, 12:22 AM

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supposedly your OCs will be better

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ah

eager chasm Dec 16, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Kinda like how the i9 9900KS is a binned model

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It's pre-guaranteed to run better clocks

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But to the average person there will be no difference between an X model and OCing a non X to the same as the X base

cursive wharf Dec 16, 2019, 12:26 AM

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I mean... 3600 and 3600x//3700x and 3800x perf basically the same cuz PB2 and PBO

toxic tusk Dec 16, 2019, 12:26 AM

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x has a higher core clock

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 12:27 AM

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3800x is an odd duck. Doesn't really fit the product line. Only a few more MHZ ahead of the 3700

cursive wharf Dec 16, 2019, 12:27 AM

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PB2 as well as PBO make that "higher clock" mean so little cuz it ends up being like 100mhz

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Better to go 3700x or 3900x

eager chasm Dec 16, 2019, 12:27 AM

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3700X is the sweet spot for me

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More than I really need

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If it's true that Zen 3 is getting even more IPC then everything is gonna suck compared to them

solid charm Dec 16, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Not sure how good the 3700x is over the 2700x though.

eager chasm Dec 16, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Very,

solid charm Dec 16, 2019, 12:32 AM

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price cuts on the 2700x make it very appealing

eager chasm Dec 16, 2019, 12:32 AM

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A 3600X out performs a 2700X

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Yes in 1 gen the Ryzen 5 basically replaces the previous Ryzen 7

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The performance leap is huge

cursive wharf Dec 16, 2019, 12:35 AM

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3600 ($200) and 2700x ($160) are basically the same in gaming. Multi threaded stuff the 2700x still wins by a small bit

eager chasm Dec 16, 2019, 12:36 AM

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The the 3600X actually scores higher than the 2700X in multithreaded... I was shocked when I looked it up

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Higher score with 4 less threads is insane

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If you are pressed for money the 2700X certainly is attractive at that price, but for a bit more you can get more performance for less power consumption and far lower thermal output

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Well to be more accurate in some things the 3600x is better multithreaded and in some the 2700x is better

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Like the 2700x is just a hair better in cinebench r20

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 12:56 AM

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The 2700x will win out in longer tasks

shut rampart Dec 16, 2019, 1:01 AM

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I need some cheap speaker that are good any suggestions

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Clearance sound bar from Walmart!

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That’s what I use it even has google but I refuse to activate it

hollow glade Dec 16, 2019, 1:34 AM

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I'm about to order 2 x https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/corsair-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236601?Item=N82E16820236601
Will they be compatible with a Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER AMD AM4 ATX Gaming Motherboard and a 3950x ryzen amd cpu?

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it would suck if i bought them and they didn't work 😦

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:35 AM

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3950x?

hollow glade Dec 16, 2019, 1:35 AM

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https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3950x

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Think about 3600 mhz or 3800 mhz to get the fabric speed maxxed out.

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Probably 3600 mhz

hollow glade Dec 16, 2019, 1:36 AM

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i recently had problems with some ram i had it worked in other pc's but not this new one

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:36 AM

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Ram was?

hollow glade Dec 16, 2019, 1:36 AM

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it was x4 8gb hyperx 2666 mhz

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it was a kit of 4 though

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:36 AM

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It should work but it will be slooooowwwww

hollow glade Dec 16, 2019, 1:36 AM

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it was causing blue screens it didn't work

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Huh, weird

hollow glade Dec 16, 2019, 1:37 AM

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i made sure even took it to a pc repair place

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Anyway, with a high end AMD, I'd go 3600 mhz cl16 at a minimum

hollow glade Dec 16, 2019, 1:37 AM

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he basically said there not compatible.

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:37 AM

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The fabric between all the cores runs at the ram speed

hollow glade Dec 16, 2019, 1:37 AM

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ahh but you cant go that fast with 128gb

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4x sticks

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ahh but you cant go that fast with 128gb

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he basically said there not compatible.

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:38 AM

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what

hollow glade Dec 16, 2019, 1:38 AM

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not compatibile to the hyper x

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i dunno my messages didn't go through properly

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i made sure even took it to a pc repair place
he basically said there not compatible.
for the x4 8gb hyperx 2666 mhz

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ahh but you cant go that fast with 128gb with 4x sticks

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:38 AM

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That's interesting but I'm not surprised

tranquil dust Dec 16, 2019, 1:38 AM

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oof you cant video edit very well with a i3-8100 and 8gb of ram :/

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Nope

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that needs processing power

tranquil dust Dec 16, 2019, 1:39 AM

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ik

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Can you leverage your GPU?

tranquil dust Dec 16, 2019, 1:39 AM

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idk how to

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i have a 1060

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6gb

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Depends on your software

tranquil dust Dec 16, 2019, 1:39 AM

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windows 10

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Look for a Hardware Encoding or GPU encoding setting

tranquil dust Dec 16, 2019, 1:40 AM

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in the video editor?

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Ya

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 1:41 AM

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what software are you using

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:41 AM

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And it looks like 3600mhz ram in that quantity is expensive

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ouch

tranquil dust Dec 16, 2019, 1:42 AM

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shotcut'

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i havve 2400 :/

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 1:43 AM

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i have never used that so i will not be able to help with software cutting

tranquil dust Dec 16, 2019, 1:43 AM

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its free

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i like it tho

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:44 AM

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It should be able to use nVidia hardware encoding

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AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA hardware encoding

tranquil dust Dec 16, 2019, 1:45 AM

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hmm where do i acess that

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access

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:46 AM

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NO idea, just on their homepage

tranquil dust Dec 16, 2019, 1:46 AM

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ugh]

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i hate tech these days

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oof i sounded like i was 60 hol up

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Oh, it doesn't use it for editing

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Only for recording

tranquil dust Dec 16, 2019, 1:47 AM

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i SEVERLY DISLIKE tech rn

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i cant get my FRICKIN NAS to work

polar holly Dec 16, 2019, 1:59 AM

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it would only use for recording and encoding

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during the edit you will be using cpu, ram, and cuda possibly

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Did some light gaming last night. My setup goes between 50-70c idle with a 3900x and h115i pro, while light gaming it goes between 60-70c... So I'm not sure what's going on... I reapplied paste, using AS5

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:24 AM

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@little osprey what are you doing with the pi?

little osprey Dec 16, 2019, 2:25 AM

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currently i just use it as a portable web browser and ad-free youtube streamer, but i left the gpio header open so i could start learning python and electronic stuff as i acquire parts for it

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:25 AM

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Idle temps seem high

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You using the lates BIOS?

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Oh, that's cool!

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I just thought your case idea for it was kinda interesting

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:27 AM

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@muted patio yup. Also turned PBO off

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Huh, should be lower than that

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I'm sitting at 30c on the 3700x, I'd expect similar at an idle

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Maybe try the stock cooler and see what's up

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Nah, it will idle at the same temp

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Is your pump speed 100%?

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all the time?

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:29 AM

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If he's idling at the same temp with a stock cooler than his aio isn't doing what it's supposed to. that's my point

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:30 AM

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And that's my point also, something isn't right

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:30 AM

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in order to troubleshoot the problem you change controlled variables until results change

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:30 AM

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iCue has it running at "extreme". I'm wondering if I should just disconnect the Y splitter from the AIO and directly connect to fan connectors on Mobo, and set fans to full speed

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:30 AM

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If he changes to stock cooler and the temps get worse then you can rule out a bad aio

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:30 AM

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It's not a fan issue

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You using Ryzen master?

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:31 AM

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I have it installed, but haven't used it since before this upgrade (had a b350 and Ryzen 1700)

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Fire it up and see what your core voltage is at

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Willing to bet it's 1.4 or so

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Give me a few seconds

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LOL. "Ryzen master does not support current processor"

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:33 AM

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XD

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update it?

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:34 AM

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yeah, let me uninstall current version and reinstall new version from website

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Also, check your Windows Power Plan setting

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make sure it's Ryzen High Performance and not Balanced

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Also, it's worth an update check for your Chipset drivers

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These things are finicky when it comes to software

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Man ryzen sounds amazing

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:38 AM

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PC decided it wanted to restart. I must've clicked something -_-

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:38 AM

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I remember why I quit building with amd :3

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 2:38 AM

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@lime forge kind lame ngl

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:41 AM

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I was on Ryzen Balanced

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:41 AM

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Try the High Performance, see if it lowers idle temps and voltage at all

little osprey Dec 16, 2019, 2:43 AM

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it's a 24 😅

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@tame olive the whole reason i built the lego frame is so i could have the screen and cooling fan mounted while still leaving the gpio header open 😃

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:44 AM

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You know what they say about big monitors right?

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They need big stands

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Also I think they make an all in one screen stand that has openings for the gpio

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I have one in my desk somewhere

little osprey Dec 16, 2019, 2:45 AM

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but where's the fun in that? 😉

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:45 AM

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oh

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I enjoy it 😦

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fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:47 AM

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@muted patio yeah, Voltage hovering around 1.4

little osprey Dec 16, 2019, 2:47 AM

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that does look slick tbh

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Hmmm....there's a way to make that chill out

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But I can't remember what it is

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Hang on

tame olive Dec 16, 2019, 2:47 AM

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I don't ever us it, but the ada fruit screen I got I managed to completely destroy within 5 minutes of opening the box

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And frys had these in store so I grabbed one. Mostly just use it for testing out distros and stuff for my kids. It's touch screen too

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:48 AM

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@fleet talon Are you sure you're on the 1.0.0.3ABBA BIOS?

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:51 AM

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My mobo is the MSI MEG x570 ACE, bios is E7C35AMS.170 build date 11/06/2019

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BIOS OC area shows CPU Core Voltage set at 1.464v on Auto

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Same microcode I have. It's gotta be a setting in the BIOS somewhere then.

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I think it's because I use Auto Overclock profile in Ryzen Master

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I changed quite a few things

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Changed voltage settings from Auto to AMD Overclock in BIOS, I'll see if that changes anything

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Yeah, that idle voltage is definitely the issue.

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It's not really hurting anything as the load temp is fine

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And that's the real concern

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Voltage is still the same, but according to Ryzen Master, temps are now at ~42, peaking at around 55c when things in background decide to do something

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:01 AM

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that's better

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Keep in mind too that the idle temps will go up depending on how saturated the fluid is with heat

gloomy cedar Dec 16, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Hey yall i got an issue with my pc was wondering if anyone knew what the problem would be

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So while playing games and certain games trigger it more but they are usually easy games like game dev tycoon

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Voltage is now dropping down to 1.2v and temp @40c

gloomy cedar Dec 16, 2019, 3:03 AM

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But what happens is it will lock up and the screen will go a solid color with stripes down

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Might be a background process keeping it running also but it sounds like it's coming down

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@gloomy cedar sounds like your CPU or GPU is overheating

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Start by checking and cleaning your heatsinks and making sure the fans are running

gloomy cedar Dec 16, 2019, 3:05 AM

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The thing is when i play say war thunder csgo or other more intisive games it wont do it

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And afterburner says its only at like 70c

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:06 AM

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what gpu

gloomy cedar Dec 16, 2019, 3:06 AM

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R9 260

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With an athlon x4 860k cpu

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:07 AM

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That's an old GPU. Might be on it's last legs. It's worth a clean on the heatsink and checking the fan

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Thermal paste could be dry as a desert at that point 😲

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Yup

gloomy cedar Dec 16, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Yea it probably is it hasnt been undone since i built it like 5 years ago

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Definitely worth a peek. Honestly sounds like a heat issue to me

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Just ran a Ryzen Master stress test on an Auto overclock by Ryzen Master and it never got over 75c @muted patio . I think it's good, just weird voltages and temps lol

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Yeah, just a high idle temp

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that's a respectable load temp with a 240mm AIO

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But a real test is real world use. Ryzen stress test isn't the best

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Hit it with a couple rounds of Cinebench or something

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Also keep in mind that the fluid gets warm with use "heat soaked". After it goes back to idle, it takes a tad for the fluid to return to a lower temperature, and this lower the idle temps

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 3:13 AM

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15 or 20?

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:13 AM

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I'd run 20

topaz mauve Dec 16, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Hey, is there a good software I can download to monitor cpu, gpu, and fps?

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Like AMD master? etc?

gloomy cedar Dec 16, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Try msi afterburner wit tss

topaz mauve Dec 16, 2019, 3:15 AM

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great thanks ❤️

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Going to disable all startup items and then run cinebench that way no background stuff will mess with the test

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 3:32 AM

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@muted patio I feel. But ill slap on a Samsung 970 NVMe 500gb later

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Not going past 79c with multiple passes of Cinebench R20, getting a score of 6930. I know I could OC no problem, but I've had bad luck with that in the past

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Yeah, you're fine

fleet talon Dec 16, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Voltage sitting at 1.25

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:40 AM

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AIO is fine

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Hmm oh yeah

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so uh

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About the 3600x

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Should i get it from amazon or dif site

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Wherever you find it the cheapest

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and has the best return policy

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Hmm

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yeah i dont know which site has the best return policy

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How would you rate amazon

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with their policy

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DOA and such

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:43 AM

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I don't knnow. I've honestly never had to use it

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outside my realm to be honest

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Now, if it was motorcycle parts or gear, I know the best place on the face of the earth

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 3:44 AM

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and where would that be?

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And no worries

high echo Dec 16, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Hey guys I have a question

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What should I upgrade first GPUs cpu

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 3:56 AM

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need to know what you currently have

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 3:57 AM

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but if they’re close to same performance/age, gpu usually

high echo Dec 16, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Amd ryzen 5 1400

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Raydon RX 580

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Oh, definitely CPU then

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Like a 2600 or something

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$120 right now on Amazon

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https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/dp/B07B41WS48

Amazon.com: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler ...

Buy AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler - YD2600BBAFBOX: Everything Else - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

wraith birch Dec 16, 2019, 4:02 AM

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You know you can take screenshots right?

high echo Dec 16, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Aw that’s not even bad

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:03 AM

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i wouldn’t really suggest a 1400-2600, maybe wait a little bit and go with a 3600 later because the 2600 doesn’t really have much better performance over the 1400

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I’d put it like a 480 to a 590 or something like that

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:03 AM

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wut

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that's at least a 25% increase

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http://hwbench.com/cpus/amd-ryzen-5-2600-vs-amd-ryzen-5-1400

AMD Ryzen 5 2600 vs AMD Ryzen 5 1400

We compare the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 with the AMD Ryzen 5 1400 with a wide selection of benchmark tools and data to help you choose the right processor, for your computing needs.

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:06 AM

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yeah but u gotta look at single core not multi

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:06 AM

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still 20%

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:07 AM

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with a 2080 ti gaming, it’s 20% higher and with a $200 gpu it’d much lower

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:07 AM

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and paired with an RX580 it will show even more than that in games

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:07 AM

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🤨

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the 2080 ti is the biggest difference in possible fps

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because it takes the stress of the gpu and onto the cpu, showing a much bigger difference in cpu performance

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Oh yeah

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:08 AM

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and no, you don't look at just single core. hardly anything uses a single core anymore

golden vapor Dec 16, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Will a 240 fit top of a Vector RS?

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:08 AM

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whats the biggest difference of getting a 3200 DDR4 vs 3600 DDR4

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:09 AM

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what cl?

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:09 AM

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yes, a 240 will fit

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A 360 will fit, actually

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:09 AM

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@muted patio then why isn’t the 3950x destroying everything in gaming? The 300mhz shouldn’t be more important than the double the cores with the 9900k

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and the 9700k vs 9900k have little difference despite having double the threads

golden vapor Dec 16, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Okay because I have a Meshify C and had clearance issues. I won a Fractal Design Giveaway and that is one thing that’s coming plus a few more things.

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:11 AM

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We aren't talking about any of those things

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We are talking about a 1400 vs 2600

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:11 AM

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ik

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but you said single core doesn’t matter [in games]

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:12 AM

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No, that's not what I said

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read it again

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:12 AM

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it will matter much more in the future yes, but rn since intel has been ahead for gaming devs don’t focus a lot on multi core

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:13 AM

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BTW< the Intel/AMD difference isn't core COUNT

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:13 AM

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muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:13 AM

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It's core SPEED

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:13 AM

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yeah 200mhz

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:13 AM

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I never said it doesn't matter

deep skiff Dec 16, 2019, 4:13 AM

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compared to 8 extra cores

wraith birch Dec 16, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Well, personally I prefer higher core count in most cases

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:16 AM

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That's not even what the OP is asking. They have an RX580 and a Ryzen 5 1400 and asked if they should upgrade CPU or GPU

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Hey im confused,
Why is the RBG RAM DDR4 3600MHz cheaper than the RBG RAM DDR4 3200MHz? And whats the benefit of getting the 3600MHz?

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Probably the CL timing

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:17 AM

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But for a Ryzen 5 3600x

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Im reading that the 3200 might be better

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:17 AM

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can't say without seeing the ram

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Give me a second

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VPP8Qq

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Ive listed both under memory

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Oh yeah, definitely the CL timing

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the 3200 is better

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Okay

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in that case

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Back to square 1

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:21 AM

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For that process 3200 is fine

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that kit will work well

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Hmm

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ic

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thank you

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i appreciate it

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But 2nd question

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Welcome!

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:22 AM

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If i were to carry some parts over for an upgrade

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Would the 3200 still be viable

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:22 AM

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what parts

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:22 AM

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like im talking about when Gen 5 comes out for AMD

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Oh, that's impossible to say until they release it

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:22 AM

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uh, yeah idk which parts—I think thats what im asking haha

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Okie dokie

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I hope this will do

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In that case

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how long can you see this build lasting for ?

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:24 AM

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I've got a 3700x and I usually build every 4-5 years

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So at least 3-4 for that one

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with maybe a GPU upgrade in between

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Change out that air cooler to a Mugen 5

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the Hyper 212 is underwhelming

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Oh?

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Yeah

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Check it out

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https://www.mmorpg.com/hardware-reviews/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-cpu-cooler-review-1000013665

MMORPG.com

Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B CPU Cooler Review - MMORPG.com

In the market for a new CPU cooler? Don’t be so hasty picking up that AIO. Today, we’re looking at an air cooler that might just win you over with its performance, all without the fear of those pesky leaks. Read on for our review of Scythe Mugen 5, Revision B - now AMD su...

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up to 10c cooler than the 212 on a 2600

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📎 Scythe205.png

wraith birch Dec 16, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Nice

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:29 AM

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It's an extra $10 well spent IMO

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Hmm

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aw poop its not rbg

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Well, they have one

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https://www.amazon.com/Scythe-Gaming-Alliance-Compatible-LGA1151/dp/B07QK1CF6B

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Ah i see it now

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damn i mind as well get the tuf board

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:(

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Yeah, those yellow corners are not changeable it looks like

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Hmmm

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Like dont get me wrong

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I believe you

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you seen pretty knowledgable

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:32 AM

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naw, if RGB is your thing

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:32 AM

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and i dont doubt it

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:32 AM

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We can find something else

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Hmm okie dokie

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Maybe i can do the tuf board

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but im just hesistant about it

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idk

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Yeah, if you want RGB stick with the 212 or get a different air cooler and get separate RGB fans

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Hmm

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Anythinf specific

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Because i know i shouldnt cheap out on the air cooling

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cooling in general

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:36 AM

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Yeah, that Mugen with RGB fans would be the top choice

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But that's going to make it kinda pricey

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$50 for the cooler and another what, $15-20 for fans?

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I dunno what RGB fans go for

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:37 AM

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no its fine

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price is negligible

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Im too far in

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:37 AM

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LOL

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I know that feeling

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:37 AM

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yessir

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I kinda was rethinking this whole idea

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do i really wanna blow 1400 on a new computer

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instead of a car

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d a m n

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Well, that depends. If you NEED a car, get the car

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:38 AM

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but......

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:38 AM

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this PC is a want, not a need

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:38 AM

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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dhbqjdjajdbbsbnannandna

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:38 AM

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IKR

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:38 AM

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I still have another year

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its fine

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i hope

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Im just stranded lowkey

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But

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I still can get to places and what not

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:39 AM

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I mean, if there's things you can re use from your current build to get you by, that'd save some money

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:39 AM

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Like work, school, and home via car poolin

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oh

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i have a asus laptop

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Nothing worth scrapping from here

muted patio Dec 16, 2019, 4:40 AM

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Ahhhh

gentle bay Dec 16, 2019, 4:40 AM

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yeah

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im not gonna lie

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i was gettinf sad thinking about this