#building-and-recc-chat

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little osprey
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lol

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Those geekbench numbers are nice - it's so similar to the 3900x though we can get a decent guess IMO

pulsar garnet
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also price vs performance, you probably won't see much difference

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unless you're doing some serious CPU intensive stuff

serene obsidian
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xyvb8M I’m planning on building my first ever pc this month. Does anyone have recommendations of what I should possibly change? (Also I don’t have a cpu cooler listed but if there’s one I should consider buying then just let me know) thanks for any feedback. I’m open to hear anything

pulsar garnet
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@serene obsidian i think it looks good, but i'd switch out the SSD with a nice M.2 if you have $50 more to spend

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970 EVO 500GB or HP EX950 500GB

serene obsidian
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Ok thank you 😄

tidal bluff
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1tb only 97 bucks @serene obsidian

austere condor
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@pulsar garnet only spent $300 on my 64GB of DDR4-3800 CL16

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😄

oblique cloak
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can someone go over by overkill pc build

latent bronze
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If you are trying to beat benchmarking scores in like 3DMark go ahead with the 2 2080 Ti's but if it is for gaming get rid of one of them

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a bunch of games you lose performance from SLI/Crossfire now

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Also by removing a 2080 Ti you can go for the 9900KS instead

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@warm nova what are your thoughts

warm nova
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SLI is a waste for everything except for a few games and 3dmark

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dual gpu's are great in a render machine, but not in sli

latent bronze
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I have seen performance drops in Crysis 3 with SLI and Crossfire

oblique cloak
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is the mobo good or can it get better?

latent bronze
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the motherboard is fine just taking out one of the 2080 Ti's and replace the 9900KF with a 9900KS

deep skiff
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^

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and idk if you need 32gb of ram

sudden turret
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32gb ram is the new 16gb

deep skiff
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according to zack

cyan field
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What do you all think about this build so far? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TcgFGc
Still trying to decide on whether or not I want to pick the i7-9900 or the i9-9900 and which liquid cooling to use. This will be my third build but it has been a while, any tips or info is appreciated!

latent bronze
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32gb will become the new 16gb when there is more than one or two games that would require it

west finch
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Why would you go all the way for 9900k, and pair it with only a 2070 super?

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If this system is gaming, that cpu is a waste with a 2070

lime forge
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2070s = $500

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2080ti = $1200

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and

west finch
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He actually doesn't even have a 2070s in there, I mistyped, it's a regular 2070

lime forge
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oh

west finch
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And I never said anything about a 2080ti

lime forge
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regardless, the 2070 is cheaper than high end cards

west finch
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I would recommend a downgrade on the cpu, and step up gpu to at least 2070s, or 2080s

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Yeah but 9900k is useless at that point

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You don't get a "budget" gpu with the top of the line cpu for gaming

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Gpu is way more important

lime forge
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but 2070s isnt budget?

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keep in mind cost doesnt determine performance

west finch
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It is when paired with a 9900k

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You seem to be misunderstanding me, I'm not saying that a 2070 is a bad gpu

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I'm saying that system wastes an unnecessary amount on a top of the line cpu

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That will be bottleneck by the 2070

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The 9900k is completely unnecessary in a gaming system running a 2070

lime forge
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this is the bottleneck calculator for the 9900k and the 2070

📎 image0.png
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some people like having cores for video editing and streaming ¯_(ツ)_/¯

round flare
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orrrrrr

pulsar garnet
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Don't get a 2070...

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Get a 2070S or a 5700 XT

west finch
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That calculator looks rather fake

maiden citrus
pulsar garnet
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I mean if you want to stream you might as well get a 3700X and save $170

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Same cores and threads

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If you want that very Max few percent then 9900K, but at that point you'd be better off putting the $170 into a better GPU

round flare
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You also don't need to buy the windows

pulsar garnet
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Way better returns on GPU upgrade

latent bronze
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You can still stream perfectly fine with a 3600X instead

pulsar garnet
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We're talking 8 cores not 6

latent bronze
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ok

round flare
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I'm sad because I have not much nitro left

pulsar garnet
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Lol nitro is overrated

round flare
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the only reason I want it is animated emotes and using them wherever

pulsar garnet
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Yeah

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I don't think it's worth $5/mo

round flare
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same

pulsar garnet
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I'd spend that on origin access before discord nitro :l

round flare
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idk what that is9096_thinkingpepe

pulsar garnet
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Origin's subscription game pass thing

round flare
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ö

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is it good

pulsar garnet
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Depends if you like the games on origin

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Like battlefield games, mass effect, star wars, some more things

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Anthem

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Best game

round flare
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Anthem had potential

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But uh

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I don't have to elaborate

latent bronze
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eww Anthem

fluid raven
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Well what was actually bad about it other than the load times

west finch
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@maiden citrus you need to change that cpu and motherboard, they are way outdated, unless you're getting them for free or ridiculously cheap

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I also wouldn't pay that much for that cpu cooler

maiden citrus
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I already changed the cpu and motherboard, which cpu cooler would u recommend?

fluid raven
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If you're really serious about streaming just get a capture card. I've seen ones that can do 4k even going on sale for $100

latent bronze
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Anthem is like what a 80$ game which feels like a 30$ to 40$ game

pulsar garnet
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Aren't capture cards useless unless you're using a separate stream PC

lime forge
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i mean if your streaming a console

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or any other hdmi device

fluid raven
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You use them for your pc to take the load off of your cpu

maiden citrus
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B450 or x570 motherboard?

sudden turret
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as to what?

maiden citrus
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idk, which is better

pulsar garnet
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X570 is better, B450 is cheaper

maiden citrus
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Oh, ty

maiden citrus
deep skiff
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id get a get a 650w psu and just get a single 1tb ssd like the Sabrent Rocket

surreal lotus
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About building PC: is it hard to set up the bios?

latent bronze
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nope

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With the way the bios is now it is a lot easier than it was like about 15 to 20 years ago

coarse coral
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@leaden dawn its already 20 min from me

leaden dawn
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Wot

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It's in transit tho

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@coarse coral it says the same thing

silver lion
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whats a good $600 build

noble ravine
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^laptop or desktop?

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@silver lion

latent bronze
deep skiff
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you could throw a 2600 in and still be under budget @latent bronze

latent bronze
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@deep skiff ya but at this point anything higher than a 2400S is an upgrade

deep skiff
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true but why not get a second gen instead of third for $20 more

noble ravine
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So what is the hardest game to run? Is their any game a amd ryzen 5 or and i7 (with gtx1660) cant run?

deep skiff
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and ram support is much better for ryzen 2000

latent bronze
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@noble ravine The only game right now that can really stress out a system i know of is Ark and also those laptops i showed you earlier are using 1660 Ti's

noble ravine
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yes the laptops you posted earlier apear to be perfect. still studying amds procceser since iv mostly only used i7s

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but tis frickin lenovo

latent bronze
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Ryzen's in laptops have pretty good performance from what i have been seeing and also since they are also APU's you have the Vega iGPU as well when you are watching a video or playing a non demanding game

noble ravine
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gtx160 and a i7 though

latent bronze
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1650 is not much of an upgrade from your 1050

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like it is a little better than a 1050 Ti but if you can pay about the same price and have a 1660 Ti instead that would be better

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and yes the i7 would be better but would you want a great CPU with an ok GPU or a good CPU with a great GPU

noble ravine
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loadtimes are all i care about soo cpu i think

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but durabiltity is most key of all so im really likeing the tuf asus you sent

latent bronze
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Well you also have to think about future games as well that you might be playing

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Cause what would happen if there is a game you want to play but you can't really play it

noble ravine
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hmm i assume the amd plug in will last longer then the i series since they havent been updated in ages. So i gues get a amd asus if i plan on replacing it someday is what you mean?

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or just buy a system super nice now for then

west finch
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can't run? no you'll be able to run any game with those parts

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you may not be able to run at max settings

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and definitely not at 4k...

latent bronze
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And you know the requirements for future games?

noble ravine
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well to be fair there are only two games i want in the next few years. es6 and vtmb2

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but i own ark and never play it because of the long wait times

latent bronze
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Loading tends to be more from your drive and memory really than your CPU cause right now you are using a 7700HQ right

noble ravine
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indeed. just learned about my ssd usefulness today though so that might help

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(2 years later)

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(after buying this laptop)

latent bronze
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For like 5-6 years i have been using Hybrids so those are still better than a normal hard drive

noble ravine
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hybrids?

latent bronze
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loads a little slower than a SSD but a lot faster than a hard drive

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They are know as SSHD aka Solid State Hybrid Drives

noble ravine
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ooo so that what solid state means

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learning the lingo

latent bronze
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Well SSD is that without the H for hybrid

noble ravine
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MSI GL62M 7RDX-NE1050i7 15.6" i7-7700HQ (2.80 GHz) GTX 1050 8 GB Memory 128 GB NVMe SSD 1 TB HDD Windows 10 Home 64-Bit Gaming Laptop bought this for $780 two years back on black friday.

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Just hoping to find the same deal this black friday

latent bronze
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pricing now is of course different so the price they would show just ignore it

sudden turret
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bestbuy is having some really killer deals

noble ravine
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really?

sudden turret
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usually see some really awesome holiday deals

west finch
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man that GTX 1050 is really killing that system...

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I had a laptop with a 1050ti in it once, and man was that miserable to try gaming on

noble ravine
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lol really. i felt so lucky at the time. but this is the most expensive thing iv bought outside of cars. Most everything i own is dumpster dived =#poverty

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Now it shuts off sometimes and wont turn back on though.... so imma go check out slickdeals.net

latent bronze
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ya but a 1650 would be about the same as a 1050 Ti

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At least having a laptop with a 1660 Ti that would last for a good 3-5 years

noble ravine
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asus or msi for less likely to brake?

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o anyone here about asus 2 year repairs for free?

latent bronze
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ya they sent me an email about that cause my motherboard is from Asus

noble ravine
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OMG HELL YEA so if i buy a asus form new egg or best buy i dont need to buy the insurance?!?!?!

latent bronze
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Sometimes well for Newegg it is nice to buy the insurance thing cause instead of sending your laptop to Asus for a repair i believe Newegg would send you a new one

noble ravine
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I bought the 3 year square insurance from newegg for this laptop but they wont fix it because the already fixed the screen and the casing. Even though tis a different problem this time=the random not turning on.

latent bronze
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I don't use my laptop that often so it always works

noble ravine
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nods. yea i know i should buy a desktop, but i like gaming in my lazyboy

latent bronze
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Well gaming laptops are still pretty much worth it and there are moments that i want to sell my desktop for a killer gaming laptop

noble ravine
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good to know. so ryzan amd 5 is as good as i7 7700?

latent bronze
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laptop wise the 3rd gen R5 is better than the 7700HQ

noble ravine
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Better?1? how that laptop you showed me ealier is prime then..

latent bronze
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You said before your laptop is using a 7700HQ with a 1050 right

noble ravine
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could i move my hhd drive from a msi into a asus though?

latent bronze
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and yes you can move your hard drive from one laptop to another

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just you might need to format it if it is your primary drive

noble ravine
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science is cool

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its not i think. think my ssd is the c drive and the big easy to unplug one is my d drive

pulsar garnet
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Science is for nerds @noble ravine

noble ravine
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You can only tell me that because of nerds ❤

chilly marsh
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what does science have to do with this convo

little osprey
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oof

noble ravine
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Nerds made computers and the internet and such obviously. That was a pretty small mental leap, keep up guyz

sudden turret
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science is everything

little osprey
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Amen. Pretty sure I like physics/chem/thermo more than computers tbh

sudden turret
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yep whether you see it or not.

latent bronze
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I don't think he ever heard of computer science

sudden turret
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it's science./

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and math.

noble ravine
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Fair enough. Medicine is better then laptops, just barely 😉

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??

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is ====ASUS TUF Gaming Laptop, 15.6” Full HD, AMD Ryzen 7 R7-3750H, GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, 8GB DDR4, 256GB PCIe SSD, Windows 10 Home, FX505DU-WB72 better?

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then MSI GL62M 7RDX-NE1050i7 15.6" i7-7700HQ (2.80 GHz) GTX 1050 8 GB Memory 128 GB NVMe SSD 1 TB HDD Windows 10 Home 64-Bit Gaming Laptop

latent bronze
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The Asus is far better than the MSI

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You have to remember as well the 7700HQ is pretty much on par with performance as the i5 8300H

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Just cause now it is easier for them to make lower powered processors

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look at the new i7 10th gen that is like a 45w processor at 6 cores 12 threads

noble ravine
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threads and cores do sound nice.

twilit escarp
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What do I do about that @sudden turret

little osprey
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so ya - wanna post a parts list?

twilit escarp
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Everything is working I think hdmi isn’t working in my tv tho

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@little osprey

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I use motherboard hdmi right

latent bronze
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GPU HDMI

twilit escarp
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Ok it still says inactive

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@latent bronze

latent bronze
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go on pcpartpicker and make the build you have and post the link here

twilit escarp
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I can just tell you

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I GOT IT

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Anyone

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Lmao

lime forge
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press del

twilit escarp
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I hit f1

lime forge
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what does it show now

twilit escarp
lime forge
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do you have a windows USB

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?

twilit escarp
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No I have to make one really quick

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Or if anyone has a key

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I’ll pay

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PayPal

lime forge
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no

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rule 9

twilit escarp
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My bad how do I get the key then

lime forge
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do you have another computer you can use?

sudden turret
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he doesn't need a key to install windows

lime forge
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yeah

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im asking for the extra pc so he can make a install usb

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once you do all that

twilit escarp
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I have a second pc

lime forge
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cool

twilit escarp
lime forge
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use that second pc to follow the steps that i posted a link to

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you also need a usb drive

twilit escarp
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Can I put the usb in now

lime forge
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wait

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do you have a windows usb?

twilit escarp
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No it’s a blank usb

lime forge
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follow these steps using your other pc

twilit escarp
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Ok thank you sm

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You guys are honestly the best

lime forge
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👍

twilit escarp
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It isn’t working

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@lime forge

lime forge
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might have to go to bios and check to see if an option related to 'boot from usb' is on

twilit escarp
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Ok

little osprey
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You don't need a windows key ever - but to customize dsktop, them etc just enter it in once you've installed, setup, got all the drivers and all taht

twilit escarp
quaint terrace
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just what it says, you need a bootdrive

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USB with windows pretty much

twilit escarp
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Ok so once I have that I just plug it in and it should work

quaint terrace
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u have to go to bios

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and make the USB the boot media

twilit escarp
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Ok thanks bro

latent bronze
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You would need to install it and normally with new hardware it would detect the USB drive with windows

twilit escarp
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Ok thank h

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U

latent bronze
twilit escarp
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My friend is coming over and he has one

sudden turret
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with it already loaded on usb?

twilit escarp
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Yes

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@sudden turret

little osprey
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Do you know what version it is?

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Rather, was the usb created via that tool within the last fwe months? Or last least since may 2019?

twilit escarp
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It was created like a week ago and windows 10

little osprey
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Perfect.

twilit escarp
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Thanks guys

little osprey
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If you see two options under the boot menu for the same USB stick - boot from the one that says "UEFI" somewhere in it. Set bios to optimized defaults, then isable CSM and secure boot, and make sure the target HDD/SSD is the only drive connected to the system. During install - if the drive isn't blank, delete all partitions, if it is,just click next, don't manually partition unless you're familiar

twilit escarp
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Ok will do man

noble ravine
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I was looking at that asus you sent me ealier. looks perfect, the review said i should ad/buy a DDR4 SODIMM is cheap, just get another 2666 stick. what does that mean? @latent bronze

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i mean i found lots on the newegg site, but do they all fit?

velvet shell
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So I'm going to do a build and have about 1300 to work with what do you think about an i7 9700k, 16gb corsair lpx ram, a rtx 2070, a 500gb ssd, and a 2tb hdd with a msi z390-a pro mobo

coarse coral
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solid

velvet shell
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Ty I have the mobo right now, saving up for everything else

twilit escarp
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@lime forge

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@sudden turret

west finch
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I'd suggest just clicking around until you can find boot devices

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You might have to enable an advanced mode for the bios to see more options

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Each brand bios is different so unless someone knows an asrock bios you will most likely have to find it yourself

twilit escarp
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Ah

languid owl
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Does anyone have any suggestions for replacing an ANtec BP500U power supply?

west finch
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what kind of suggestions are you looking for?

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that looks like a full size PSU, so your choices are very wide

pulsar garnet
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@velvet shell 2070 or 2070 super?

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because if it's not a super i'd get a 5700 XT instead

velvet shell
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It's a regular 2070

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Going to get a manufacture refurbished for 360

ornate tulip
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I'm confused about a graphic on the Lian Li page describing what seems to be a width of the card of 159 mm max, but I'm not sure.

pulsar garnet
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@ornate tulip it'll fit

ornate tulip
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@pulsar garnet Thank you! This is my second build, last being in 2011. Do you have any general advice to dole out that you may think is important? I see the ventilation is a little funny on that case and I watched a video where they added 9 fans to cool it, which seems overkill but I'm not sure.

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@pulsar garnet may I ask how you are certain it will fit? Just curious but I'll take your word for it.

pulsar garnet
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@ornate tulip I have a PC-O11 air and my GPU is pretty darn big

ornate tulip
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@pulsar garnet do you have the GPU type and manufacturer so I can check the specs?

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Thank you very much for your input, that is a hefty card.

pulsar garnet
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@ornate tulip sapphire nitro+ rx 5700 xt

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There's still a couple inches to spare between the edge of the card and the front of the case

ornate tulip
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@pulsar garnet Thanks so much!!! Yeah it'll definitely fit, it's a tad smaller. That's an awesome card.

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Thank you again

pulsar garnet
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Np

little osprey
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That's a good card but $50 more or so willl get you an "A" chip 2080 ti, are you open to recommendations?

ornate tulip
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@little osprey oof I'll have to check it out, already spreading myself thin with the cost

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@little osprey If you know of anything better for not much more let me know! I'm not sure how to differentiate the 'A' qualification https://www.pcbuildersclub.com/en/2019/05/nvidia-no-longer-builds-non-a-chips-and-could-lower-prices-for-rtx-2070-and-rtx-2080/

PC Builder's Club
Florian Maislinger
Nvidia no longer builds non-A chips and could lower prices for RTX...

Nvidia plans to stop producing worse TU104 and TU106 chips of the RTX 2070/RTX 2080 at the end of May. The prices could also drop. The reason: AMD Navi.

little osprey
ornate tulip
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I think it may be non-A, I'm not really seeing anything else without breaking the bank, but this is wayyyyy more than I can currently run. Using it for GPU rendering and graphics, primarily. "Black Edition Non-A | 2 Fan | 2 Slot | 268mm | RGB | 16 Power Phases | 1545 MHz Boost | 250/280 W |"

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I guess the XC Ultra would be A ??

deep skiff
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yeah

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only the blower and black editions are non A chips, all the others are A chips

little osprey
ornate tulip
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Isn't the Black non-A and the XC and XC2 A? I thought I saw that in your link

deep skiff
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yeah

ornate tulip
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ah nm, I'm confused

deep skiff
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the blower model (cheapest) and the black (second cheapest) are the the only non A chips

ornate tulip
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Is it OK to have horizontal sleeve bearing fans or is that a big no-no?

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Would they just develop a noise over time? Should I get 3 pin or 4? Was trying to keep it cheap.

deep skiff
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4 pin allows fan speed control, idk about bearings

little osprey
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Proabably, since that's not a common concern, if you have questions about a specific part, it's most effective to just post the link.

ornate tulip
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I may buy 1 more to blow out from the top but they come in packs of 4. Seems weird to not use 9 fans but I wonder if that's overkill.

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In my old computer I have only 2 fans, this seems like a lot, I dunno...

little osprey
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Do you like those coolermaster 120mm fans in particular?

ornate tulip
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Not in particular but they had 19db which was quieter than some others I saw at 22 db

little osprey
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Sound pressure level as measure in dB as quoted on the spec sheet by manufacturers is to be taken with a very large grain of salt.

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Lots of pc hardware specs are like that, like monitor pixel response time, "1ms gtg"

ornate tulip
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hmmmmm

little osprey
ornate tulip
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I'm not planning on overclocking I don't think, not using watercooling or anything and wouldn't want to fry anything. Just hopefully getting something powerful and utilitarian that I can rely on to crunch stuff

deep skiff
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yeah arctic is a pretty good budget brand

little osprey
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Definitely. I often recommend the P12 or P14 , both in the pwm pst model 5 packs for $28 and $33 respectively.
I personally use 10 of them haha, the F series like the F12 are the previous generation, good, but the updated design is superior.

ornate tulip
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Would the same style/version (P12) be good for both intake and exhaust?

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I think I'm gonna buy two packs for 9 fans. 6 intake on bottom and side and 3 exhaust. Any of you folks think that's reasonable for that case?

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Thanks for the heads up

little osprey
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Consolidating your prospective parts choices into a pcpartpicker build link can be helpful, many of us do so for our own builds as well.

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That's a very popular case, I think I know a few with one.

ornate tulip
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Would love any suggestions, I hope it's solid because there's a bundle on Newegg that I based the CPU and MOBO on, but I had my eye on that i9.

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I already bought the case and the CPU fan. I had another CPU fan picked out but someone at Newegg pointed out that it wouldn't fit in the case by a few mm.

deep skiff
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id probably get a better cooler for a 9900k tbh

ornate tulip
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Hmmmmmm

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I'm not sure of any others that are available 😦

deep skiff
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considering the t2 only has 1 92mm fan and the 9900k can pull 200w under full load

polar holly
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or a arctic freezer 33 would work

ornate tulip
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thanks Susanoo and Nachos. Nachos that is a biiiiiiiiigggg lookin papa

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Only 1 mm taller too, thanks for linking this. I will need to return that Cooler Master I got, I should have checked here first!

ornate tulip
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@deep skiff the RPM of the scythe seems much lower than the hyper T4, what is it that makes it better for the i9? I'm kind of stumped here

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was looking at some noctua fans, and am going to check out the arctic freezer

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I see it has 6 heat pipes instead of 4, same fan size

little osprey
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Nice, I saw you made some edits, the mugen 5 is fine. One of the 10 or so popular air coolers in the "top tier"
e.g. D15, Dark rock pro 4, Scythe mugen et all, cooler master grand macho, true spirit 120 power etc

ornate tulip
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does the RPM not play into the cooling? I was just wondering why that was better than the t4, I'm having a hard time finding anything but saw a quote on reddit that said it's like putting walmart hubcaps on a ferrari, lol

little osprey
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That's a good one. I enjoy computer related metaphors.

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Have you looked at performance benchmarks to determine which parts you want to include in your build?

ornate tulip
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Oh wow, and other changes, I'll have to check that out Nuclear Nachos', didn't even notice!

little osprey
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As long as you save updates to the same build, the link should stay the same

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You don't have to really add the fan x times - you can, but I personally don't haha.

ornate tulip
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lol! sorry

little osprey
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Lol, I don't mind - tbh it bothers me that pcpp doesn't allow some flexibilities like that

deep skiff
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@ornate tulip it has a 120mm fan compared to the 92mm fan on the T2, has 2 more heatpipes, and a much larger fin area to help spread the head

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and you can also add another fan iirc to help temps

ornate tulip
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I see, the heatsink is very big in comparison. I had ordered the T4 which had a 120mm fan also and higher RPM, but much smaller heatsink and only 4 pipes

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Reading into it now, I wish I hadn't ordered that T4 😦 lol

deep skiff
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yeah the higher rpm fan helps bring more air in to cool it, while a larger heatsink lets it dissipate more heat

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@little osprey "my daily driver - sucks" while having a 2k setup 429456697883623425

little osprey
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Haha I've used an intel cpu in every daily I've built since 2007 - figured I'd give x570/zen2 a shot.
It's fine - but it feels like a potato compared to the 9700k/9900k configs.

I stress that this is my own preference, I'm just picky to a fault.

deep skiff
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looks at my 2600x yeah

little osprey
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I realized much of my pcpp is outdated, going through some of it now

deep skiff
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i just make a lot of builds i cant afford :v

little osprey
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Same haha. Also aren't you on x399?

deep skiff
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i wish

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im on b450 thumbsup

little osprey
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I have no idea why I get you and admiral awsome confused.

deep skiff
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nah its good

wicked sage
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Is there a way to upgrade a graphics card in a Alienware 17 laptop

lime forge
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nope

ornate tulip
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dang, this tiny Lian Li case has got me thinking I should do what is it, an AIO? I put the cart before the horse by buying that case, I have just had them previously and always enjoyed the brand

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The only option for cooling does seem to be the Mugen 5 and it's kind of unsightly pressed against the glass

little osprey
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Why do you consider the mugen 5 to be the only option?

ornate tulip
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Needs to be under 155mm 😦

latent bronze
ornate tulip
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thank you EcksGamer!

gloomy rock
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@past escarp this chat!

past escarp
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I need help if possible...,

gloomy rock
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Explain your problem

past escarp
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Thanks found it ...

lime forge
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thanks for moving the convo! 😄

past escarp
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ok my problem.....

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Im in IT-200.... I have to construct a computer system let me go get my file and ill send it to hang on

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800 dollar budget
The family computer will need to meet the needs of a variety of users. They plan to use it to search the internet, stream videos, create a family budget, and support basic word processing tasks. They expect easy usability, the ability to connect to fast internet, clear picture, and the ability to print documents they create. In addition to the basic questions listed above, when building the computer system for this user, consider the following:
How much RAM would be sufficient?
What size hard drive would they need?
What type of monitor do they need, and what resolution would you recommend?
Connection to the internet is important, so what would you recommend to support the family’s needs?
Which peripherals, such as keyboard, mouse, and printer, would you recommend?
What email program would you suggest and why?
What budgeting programs should they use?
What internet browser would you recommend and why?
Remember to explain the function of each component you chose and support your decision for including it in the system.

lime forge
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they dont need an $800 pc

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for word processing, web browsing, printing

gloomy rock
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$400 could easily accomplish that

lime forge
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^

past escarp
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I know I got my computer for 450 and do it all... but....

gloomy rock
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Answer for some of these. 8gb of ram, 500gb-1tb storage space, basic tn panel-1080p 60 hz, 25mbps+

past escarp
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I need to list all components, prices of each, and Rationale (Include a source URL or citation.)

gloomy rock
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While we won't do the assignment, you can literally put in #general-chat or this chat "I want a good office computer for $800" and the entire server will give you part lists and suggestions

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We're here to help you out. I don't have time to put together a part list tonight but I'm sure everyone would love to help you get started!

lime forge
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im putting together a list right now

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hold on

gloomy rock
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See? ^ great people here. I've gotta go take care of something, I might whip up a list later

past escarp
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well... I have the project down...that's not the issue … its going through to make sure I have everything listed... k.. thank you so much

fluid rock
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if you have a list already, share it and I'll/we'll let you know if you're missing anything

past escarp
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k let me see if I can copy it hang on a sec...

lime forge
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browser i recommend Google Chrome, and for email i suggest Gmail because it integrates with Google which is pretty much everywhere, along with things like 'Log In with Google' and etc.

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i have no clue what a budgeting program is lol... so i cant help with that one

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anyways

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those specs should be more than enough for what they need

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includes a monitor, printer, keyboard and mouse, and system

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$660

past escarp
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three components of information systems – hardware, software, and data im going to break each one down start with hardware.... I went with a laptop... so . Computers, keyboards, disk drives... right??

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Yes ma'am Ms. Karen

lime forge
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hm?

fossil hedge
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I made dis

past escarp
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k im going to check it out... give me a few ill be back... thx Karen

lime forge
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np

past escarp
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Karen.... that site is amazing.... just what I needed... thank you.... SOOOO much

round flare
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mr zack

lime forge
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sure thing 😄

fossil hedge
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I made that too,

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its got 16gbs ram instead of 8

round flare
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1080p monitors for 60hz can be found way cheaper

lime forge
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i used pcpartpickers built in monitor search :p

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i can look for cheaper tho

fossil hedge
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very good point @round flare

twilit escarp
lime forge
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also i chose IPS

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that might drive up cost

round flare
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ö

lime forge
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make it look a bit nicer

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there was room in the budget so why not

twilit escarp
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Anyone !

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?

lime forge
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probably a glitch

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make sure youre on windows 1903

ornate tulip
twilit escarp
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What ?

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@lime forge

lime forge
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hold on a sec @ornate tulip

fossil hedge
ornate tulip
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250 nits is most I could find for under ~200 dollars, it's IPS too at 24"

past escarp
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as long as its under 800.... its fine... I got a question.... why did you chose ISP

gloomy rock
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$110 is a bit steep for 1080p 60hz

lime forge
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D:

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a couple days ago that was on sale for $100

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i got one

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but now the cost is back up

gloomy rock
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Ips has the best viewing angles so you can have people looking over your shoulder

fossil hedge
lime forge
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@past escarp IPS generally has the best colors and viewing angls

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angles*

fossil hedge
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I mean a ryzen 3600 in a 650~ USD build is not bad

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by the way what is the actual budget.

past escarp
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800

fossil hedge
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cool thanks

past escarp
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your welcome

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why did you choose the
AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor

lime forge
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because

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its cheap, and its all you need for word processing, web browsing, and printing

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also

past escarp
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ok

fossil hedge
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well

lime forge
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it includes a graphics processor inside it so you dont need to buy one

fossil hedge
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its not the worst, but if you can get better, why not?

lime forge
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i mean, who wants to spend more if the base model does what they want?

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idk lol

past escarp
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right

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why the ASRock B450M/AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard

lime forge
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cheap, has wifi, has everything needed for printing, word processing, internet browsing

past escarp
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Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory

lime forge
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cheap, all you need, good brand, good speed

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also

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you can upgrade to 16 later if needed

fossil hedge
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well, you can get 16 for realtivly the same price

lime forge
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OH WAIT

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hold on

fossil hedge
lime forge
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yeah

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hes right

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i forgot t-force was a thing

past escarp
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ok

fossil hedge
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I mean, latency I bad but its not like you cading

past escarp
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whats t force

fossil hedge
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a ram company

lime forge
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yeah

past escarp
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oh...

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ok

fossil hedge
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also buying 1tb of ssd is fine, but you can get a 1tb of storge hard drive, and a 500gb ssd for much faster speeds and a the same price

lime forge
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mmmm

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there

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i think thats your best bet

fossil hedge
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not that 1tb ssd is bad, but personally in a office setting, having greater storage with some faster storage is better then having only fast storage at a deficit in space.

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Western Digital Caviar Blue+HP EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME=same price, more storage, same performance overall.

lime forge
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eh

round flare
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why not 3400g

fossil hedge
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and again your monitor is overpriced

lime forge
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because you dont need it for word processing and email

fossil hedge
lime forge
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paste a cheaper one then lol

round flare
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if that's all they're doing

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then go athlon

lime forge
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ah se

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see

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mine was 27 inches

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thats what made urs cheaper

round flare
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a t h l o n

fossil hedge
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mines much cheaper,

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he probably has a laptop, and will be used to the screen size anyways.

lime forge
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it doesnt have wifi built in, and ive never heard of that case brand

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but not bad

round flare
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a t h l o n

lime forge
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also personally id take 1tb ssd storage over 1.5tb with 1000 of it non-ssd

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but thats just me

past escarp
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i dfont know what any of that is

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dont

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yall have to explain

fossil hedge
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well, were moslty arguing about the finite details of how to put your money to use

past escarp
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oh

fossil hedge
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like fast storge, over cheaper storge but more.

past escarp
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right

fossil hedge
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and diffritn kinds of motherbourds.

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I choose one that was chepaer,

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but lacking in wifi,

lime forge
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wifi is something they need

past escarp
#

yes

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wifi

fossil hedge
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ok, I'll change that

past escarp
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k

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i need internet use

fossil hedge
past escarp
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and i have to find a program for budgets... i guess excel would work its simple

lime forge
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lol...

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excel

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simple

fossil hedge
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depends

lime forge
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those dont really match up for me

fossil hedge
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if your trying to make a fusion bomb, not so much.

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but for money, I rather like it.

past escarp
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right.. i use my budgeting system for my online banking... but

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ok so i got the computer system... let me set it up … ill brb

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ok.... i understand affordability

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but if we compare parts could yall summarize the rationale for each component included in your system design?

fossil hedge
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AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, is a great all around processor for just browsing the web, it has onbourd video, and is farily cheap.

ASRock B450M/AC includes wifi, and that was a needed component for you.

Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB was the best price for ram that I could find of that capacity, and it fit your budget well.

Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB +HP EX900 500 GB M.2 offered better overall storage in my opinion, for a great speed. I thought because your in a office setting a system that has well rounded base storge could prouububly benfit you more then less but faster. however the ssd is still the fastest for that price, and is a great edition to a slower 1tb hhd.

Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L, was the case that Karen recommended, good for the price, still think thats probably better then mine.

V7 L215ADS-2N 21.5" 1920x1080 60 Hz Monitor is a good moinitor, it works, its fine, its got good coloring, its going to function for this budget. its 1920X1080, thats fine for pretty much high end and low end stuff, its not the fastest thing on the planet, but your not gaming, so its going to work.

the mouse and printer are your digression.

fluid raven
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how on earth could you get all that for $625

austere condor
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:D

i buy a lot of used hardware, and i keep an eye out for good deals

fluid raven
#

That's an insane build for that price

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Hope it stays strong

latent bronze
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The system is actually more powerful than Karen's PC lol

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cause he has a 8700 which is 6 cores 12 threads while that i7 has 8 cores and 8 threads

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which id prefer then 9700 more

deep skiff
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i see my q300L teaching has rubbed of on somebody

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@austere condor finally a not red build ablobbounce

austere condor
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haha

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could be red

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its RGB 😄

ornate tulip
#

Hey folks, I had asked yesterday about a build and someone had suggested the Mugen 5 rev b, but in looking over this I'm still concerned about clearance for the CPU fan/heatsink. Is this a go or a no-go? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mNkn7T

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Mugen 5 rev 5 = 154.5mm and CPU fan clearance is 155mm.

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I guess my concern would be spacers behind the mobo and how they play into clearance. I feel like I should just return the case too but I'd really rather not 😦

sudden turret
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that thing is huge.

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I'd be concerned with ram clearance.

ornate tulip
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Thank you boX, so should be good to go I would assume. Hopefully no funny issues because I'm about to buy a bunch of stuff for the case and I already purchased the dang case!! Cart before the horse. And yeah it's a beefy mamma jamma that another user had mentioned to use over the Cooler Master Hyper T4

silver lion
#

whats a good build around $600?

deep skiff
lime forge
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faster storage

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slightly worse processor

ornate tulip
#

Can I ask a nagging general question? The more I think and read about that Lian Li pc-o11 the more I think I may have made a mistake in purchasing it. I'm reading a lot about AIO setups and how the case wasn't meant for air-cooling, but if the Mugen 5 works and keeps the build (very expensive to me and would like to make it the best it can be) strong then I'd be fine with it. Does anybody have any words of wisdom? I would have bought it already but am having some issues with the bank.

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I think it's offset so RAM clearance shouldn't be an issue, hopefully. I'd be more worried about heat, but it's advertised as working for the i9.

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I think I may just buy it and test it and quit bothering you nice folks! 😛

deep skiff
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@lime forge and a worse gpu :l

lime forge
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OOPS

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i didnt see super on yours lmao

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my bad

deep skiff
#

anyway i prefer the better components > storage mineset cause its much harder to buy a weaker cpu, get some money and sell it to buy a better one than just buying a new ssd later

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and first gen ryzen has tons of issues with ram speed

twilit escarp
#

Anyone know how to setup Ethernet

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@lime forge

polar holly
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@ornate tulip That case is usually used for watercooling but a air cooler will be fine in it if it has good airflow through it keeping in mind to equal out the pressure and flow

latent bronze
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Ethernet is plug and play

fossil hedge
ornate tulip
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So for whatever it's worth, chat at Intel told me that the Mugen 5 can work with i9 9900k for extended periods of running without issue. That puts my mind at ease!

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I'm gonna order the stuff, YOLO.

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@polar holly thank you for your help. I have been looking into how to configure fans.

polar holly
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@ornate tulip for when i had mine running air before i sold it i was running three intake through the side intake two intakes at the bottom and three exhaust at the top

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but i would reccomend putting three on the bottom i did not have enough fans at that time

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Or you can get the air version

ornate tulip
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@polar holly thanks Susanoo, I was thinking of a configuration like that. 3 intake on side, 3 intake on the bottom, and 3 exhaust on top. But it seems a little too heavy duty almost. I read something about "airblow vs airflow" and almost wonder if that's too much.

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Like 2 on the side, 2 on the bottom, 1 on top and let the exhausts in the rest of the case just have air pushed out.

polar holly
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if thats your plan imo i would do a 2 bottom 2 side and 2 top even then you will have major positive pressure

latent bronze
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Well depends on the case (cause i don't know the case he has or wants)

polar holly
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pc-011

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would be the case

ornate tulip
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You think that would work? I'm not trying to go overboard but if I could do something like that, that would be awesome. Someone recommended the arctic P12 PSW fans and that logo on them drives me crazy!!! lol

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derp, PWM

latent bronze
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top and side exhaust and bottom intake

ornate tulip
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There is a fanless exhaust on the back, you think side exhaust??

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I feel like that would make a negative pressure, no??

deep skiff
#

you could also just do 1 or 2 fans on each positions instead of all 3

latent bronze
#

the rear of the case would mainly be exhaust for the CPU fan anyways

deep skiff
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and negative pressure isn't bad, some case makers like nzxt use it stock it just increases dust afaik

latent bronze
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if you're not using an AIO

ornate tulip
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hmmmmmm

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Would 2 intake on the side, 2 on the bottom, and 2 at top be legit?

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2 exhaust on top, that is

latent bronze
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bottoms i have intake the rear i have exhaust and the side i don't have any fans which i have no cooling issues

ornate tulip
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Hmmmmm

polar holly
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i have pets so i run a positive pressure with case flow being pointed to push air out the unfiltered rear. so Front and bottom both for me were filtered i had intake and exhaust through the rear and top

latent bronze
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Oh ya under my system is a easy to remove dust filter as well which is easy to clean and put back

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i don't even need to lift the case

ornate tulip
#

that does seem like a similar case, EcksGamer, with the exception of the rear not having a spot for a fan IIRC. ^I'm in the same boat Susanoo

latent bronze
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Oh ya and since it is also a top mounted PSU system you know the extra cooling i have there 😛

polar holly
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Yeah thats my recommendation but if your like me it took many iterations to get that finding what worked best for my system. Now i run a almost fanless build

ornate tulip
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what do you mean Susanoo, from good airflow and positioning choices, or from watercooling?

latent bronze
#

The only way i will do watercooling if i get that 1000$ ASRock board lol

deep skiff
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🤔

polar holly
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No i ran air cooling then due to my small apartment i wanted minimal dust and dog hair intake while having great cooling

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i have since changed and sold builds and now run a aio

ornate tulip
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Ahhhhh. Those kinda scare me!!! 😛 Something about water and electricity.

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I was thinking about AIO but some of the stories about them kinda freak me out.

latent bronze
#

Anything can break a system so

polar holly
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Its really not bad once you realise many are covered and cover your parts if they fail

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My old aio ruptured on the block and they sent me a new cpu and mobo since they were damaged

ornate tulip
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Yeah but not anything can leak water onto your stuff!!! ^that's true, but I wasn't sure if that had to do with water damage. I read some stories on reddit about issues after about 4 years, either pump failure or leaking tubes

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The company that made the AIO did that???

polar holly
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Yeah happened about 6 months after i got the aio and they did that since it was a critical failure and thats what the warranty was for.

ornate tulip
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That's nice, wow

polar holly
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yeah it wasnt even to bad i just sent a few emails they were like what was damaged and sent me the new parts

latent bronze
#

so many good reviews on it for Ryzen 5's

polar holly
#

Since then i have done full custom water cooling on a number of custom orders that have been ordered through my company so playing with that has made me realize water cooling is like not scary if you do all the right steps

latent bronze
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No idea for intel since everyone i watched was testing it on Ryzen

ornate tulip
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@polar holly lol! 😛 understandable

latent bronze
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@polar holly Wanna know something

polar holly
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So i may eventually do another custom build and water cool it. my last one i sold to a friend it was a chessboard pc. @latent bronze what

latent bronze
ornate tulip
#

@latent bronze that is a nifty looking cooler. I am not hip to this scene but it felt good today to hear from Intel that the Mugen would work with the i9, and I noticed it explicitly states that, also, on their product page

latent bronze
polar holly
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The noctua low profiles are amazing i used to run a nh-d15

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i miss that cooler was so good

deep skiff
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@latent bronze what case?

latent bronze
#

Well the main reason for it is the S40 there uses AMD old method and when i need to replace my thermal paste that one would be better

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@deep skiff scroll up for my case lol

polar holly
#

what system type are you running

deep skiff
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why not a bigger cooler?

latent bronze
#

Ryzen 5 2600

polar holly
#

okay that makes sense then. i am still waiting to get the 3950x

latent bronze
#

Bigger doesn't always mean better to be honest

deep skiff
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yeah but thats a low profile 92mm fan

sudden turret
#

yes it does

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BIGGER IS ALWAYS BETTER.

polar holly
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i work as a animator and graphics designer i always need a better cpu. but i also game so trying to keep my home system on am4 platform

latent bronze
#

@lime forge you hear that you need to get bigger

sudden turret
#

dont drag Karen into this.

latent bronze
#

But Karen could walk right though the managers door easier

deep skiff
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cause for like $2 more you could get a u12s

latent bronze
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See i only game and stream once in awhile so i don't need anything crazy

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Show me which is 2$ more

polar holly
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its on sale now

deep skiff
latent bronze
#

I am in Canada

deep skiff
#

:l

latent bronze
deep skiff
latent bronze
#

You do know i also want something a little more low profile

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That is why i keep looking at that cooler i linked cause i actually want something different that all of those other coolers

deep skiff
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yeah but it'll fit

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:l its literally black

latent bronze
#

the cooler i have right now the idle temps is 28c and when gaming i get 55c

deep skiff
#

then why are you replacing it Bruh

latent bronze
#

something smaller a little more low profile and something that isn't using the old AMD mounting method

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at least with the cooler i want it is 2 screws remove replace and screw back on

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and replace as in the thermal paste

little osprey
#

D15s is a very solid chioce - gives a bit more compatibility, quieter, nearly identical performance to the D15 and $10 cheaper.
I don't think the D15 is magical at cooling - but when you do this a lot - you'll really appreciate a solid mounting system.
Noctua is also known to provide free upgrades to those who ask when platforms change as does socket spacing

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Forgot if I already posted - don't get the F12, they're good, the P12/P14 are just better. I have 5 F12's 10 P14's fwiw.

fossil hedge
#

I have a dead bird

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and no freands

pulsar garnet
fossil hedge
#

#nobody talking anyway

chilly marsh
verbal karma
#

hello, Was directed here from NewEgg customer service chat to maybe get some help. Have a desktop homebuild ( a friend did it mostly) built in April 2012 that , after many BSOD's , finally couldnt open beyond that when turning it on. I was figuring replacing the hard drive and was simply trying, based on what it was originally built with , what would be a comparable replacement that works with the existing motherboard. We already bought a prebuilt..but Im sitting here now with something that I would hate to give away if it simply required replacing a single part.
So trying to replace a SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ/ST500DM005 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive with a WD Blue 1TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD10EZEX - OEM
to fit with a ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard..or do I need to contact Asrock?
Thanks. Been dealing with this of and on too long.

coarse coral
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it should be fine, both are powered by sata data and power connectors.

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you'll need to create a windows usb installer to install the os on that new drive.

latent jacinth
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So I asked this over in the psu channel but would a rosewill fortress 750w 80+plat purchased in 2013 be ok in a new build or is the age of the psu an issue?

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Still going strong as far as I can tell in my current system which was also built in 2013

lime forge
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i used a PSU from 2009, still worked

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hasnt blown up yet theo_dumb

coarse coral
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should be fine, i like buying new psu when making new system just for the peace of mind.

latent jacinth
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My only other concern is that I guess is that I’m moving from an ATX mid tower build to a micro atx and the fortress is not modular

coarse coral
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ah

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yeah.... might need to go modular for cable management

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especially if the case is for matx

latent jacinth
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Yea I’m thinking Corsair 88r is what I’m probably going with

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Going back through Newegg I found this gem

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Wow have the times changed

lime forge
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um

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i would cancel that right now

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120gb of data is worth $25-$30

latent jacinth
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I would cancel it too if I ordered that today lol

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That’s from when I built my pc in 2013

lime forge
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oh wait

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i interpreted your message wrong

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lol

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my bad

latent jacinth
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Haha all good

coarse coral
lime forge
latent jacinth
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Touché

lime forge
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umm

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ive only bought 1 thing off newegg lol

deep skiff
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smh

latent jacinth
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Lmao

lime forge
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my dad has bought a lot

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but me?

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only 1

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lol

sudden turret
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my first newegg buy

lime forge
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lol what?

sudden turret
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wife xmas pres

latent jacinth
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Oh first buy? Mine was the Corsair 600t — my favorite case to this day

sudden turret
lime forge
latent jacinth
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RAM in megabytes? Good lord

deep skiff
coarse coral
sudden turret
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that drive was such trash too

latent jacinth
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$400 looool

deep skiff
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yea

sudden turret
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and that was cheap back then

deep skiff
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that was 12 years ago :v

sudden turret
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crazy how things turned out

deep skiff
latent jacinth
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Yea no joke.

lime forge
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nuclear werent you 2 then?

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lol

deep skiff
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32 whole cuda cores

sudden turret
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things we bought back then for the price is a joke today

lime forge
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nah

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$200 sounds like a deal

deep skiff
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bruh
Both DVI-I connectors are dual-link enabled so you can run today’s biggest monitors at up to 2560x1600 resolution.

latent jacinth
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I’m a little ashamed but my first gaming pc purchase was actually the Alienware x51

little osprey
lime forge
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i was 7 yrs old

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when you got that email

sudden turret
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hahahhaha ffs

little osprey
lime forge
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msi clubpenguin_dance

little osprey
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I never OC'd them until now lol

lime forge
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ive never OC'd

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well

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i tried on my laptop

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but then i realized that it idled at 40

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without oc

little osprey
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Not worth it on a daily driver lol.

lime forge
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so i didnt

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yeah

little osprey
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I have an i5 450m and 5870m in an old laptop I guess I could screw with

ornate tulip
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So I just received the pc-po11, and that thing is HUGE!!! I do believe it's made purposely for watercooling systems but I had ordered a CPU heatsink/fan to cool the CPU. Is it dumb for me to proceed with this build? Is this at all a normal case that I should be using?

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It's like 4 inches wider than my old Lian Li. I purchased it because I was familiar with the brand and it looked pretty in the pictures, I didn't know it was to serve any specific purpose. Should I return it and get a case meant for air cooling?

pulsar garnet
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@ornate tulip if you want lots of RGB fans everywhere keep it :p

ornate tulip
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Eh, I really don't, but a lot of the parts I'm buying come with LED and I do think it looks purdy, but was going to go with non-glowy fans

pulsar garnet
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If you think the case is overkill you can find a smaller one

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Personally I really like the case lol

ornate tulip
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That's niiiiice!!!! 😄

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real purdy

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is that 3 intake, 6 exhaust? I'm trying to figure out how to position fans. I suppose it is only about 3.5 inches wider than most cases. I was going to cool the CPU with a fan. I'm a little concerned about how it will fit.

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OMG 3 in the front too 😄

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nm, that's neat. Stays really cool I'm sure?

lime forge
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she needs it for that 5700xt

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not tryna burn her house down clubpenguin_dance

little osprey
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I honestly do hope AMD makes a 2080 killer with the 5900 - but we need more R9 290x space heater memes

ornate tulip
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should I rely on the thermal paste that comes with the CPU fan or should I buy some? And is there a generally accepted way to apply it? I saw in some videos that the single pea sized dot might not spread to all the corners of the chip. And to test if the CPU fan fits, can I do a 'dry run' and return it if it doesn't fit in the case?

lime forge
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just do a bit larger than a pea and youll be fine

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and yeah, its better to get other thermal paste

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i like thermal grizzly kryonaut

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best on the market

latent bronze
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Deepcool Z9 is also great non conductive thermal paste

ornate tulip
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is that a frozen pea? Like a centimeter tall blob maybe? I've heard grain of rice too which seems REALLY small

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centimeter in circumference on the plate?

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I'll watch some videos as well, thanks for your advice.

pulsar garnet
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@ornate tulip it gets really hot because of the 9900K

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6 in 6 out

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I really like the case but I could put it to better use if I did a custom loop

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Otherwise you could get a smaller case if you like

ornate tulip
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I opened up the case and I have glass in the front :S there are only 9 spaces to mount fans, the back is just a vent for the most part

latent bronze
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Bottom fans is always intake which will always help out the GPU

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everything else would be exhaust for proper airflow really and even when using an AIO

ornate tulip
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Doesn't that create a negative pressure? Are you not supposed to have positive pressure? If I have 3 intake on bottom and 6 exhaust, that would seem a little lopsided. My case seems to have 9 areas to put 120mm fans

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I was going to do 6 in 3 out. Would that be bad? Thankful Zovy, I'm not sure how you have 3 in the front as intake, I have glass in the front.

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The back of the case seems like a giant vent, so those 3 blowing in on the side will schwoop air right back there I would think. And the three in at the bottom and 3 out at the top would hopefully schwoop more heat. Anybody please feel free to let me know if this is a bad configuration.

pulsar garnet
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I have a slightly different model

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PC-O11 AIR

ornate tulip
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

latent bronze
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You want cool air inside yes but you also want to expel most of the hot air

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So lets say you have an AIO mounted on the top you want all that hot air out and not inside your system which is why most people for the type of cases that uses more than 3 fans would have 2-3 for intake and everything else to expel the hot air

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you can see the 3 on the bottom is intake the 3 on the side is exhaust and of course the AIO on top is exhaust

little osprey
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Is that yours? I had forgotten haha

latent bronze
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That is an image i pulled off of google for the example

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@ornate tulip Do you see from the example?

pulsar garnet
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Not enough RGB

ornate tulip
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I'm looking at it, yeah. I just always thought a close balance of negative or positive pressure is ideal, I was going for positive since I have a dusty house

latent bronze
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But enough Overwatch figures inside

ornate tulip
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Thanks for linking too @latent bronze , hmmmmmmm

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"not enough RGB" lol 😛

latent bronze
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If you have a dusty home then having more intake would clog the system more

ornate tulip
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Does it not pressurize the inside of the case so that air escapes from cracks and vents?

little osprey
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If you have a dusty home, get an air filter - then either an air compressor or one of those electric electronics blowers things haha.

ornate tulip
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hmmm

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So six out, 3 in? The CPU fan will be blowing out too towards the rear

latent bronze
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for the CPU fan you always want it blowing towards the rear

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unless it is a low profile one

pulsar garnet
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Lian Li case has filters I think

little osprey
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Avoid letting hot GPU exhaust flow into the cpu cooler's heat sink.

gloomy rock
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Wait

little osprey
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The 2080 ti in that example pic could make 320W of heat - whatever cpu in there might do 150

gloomy rock
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We don't want a thermal power plant @little osprey ?

ornate tulip
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It came with some nifty magnetic screens. GPU generally blows down and dissipates, right? That's why I figured 3 intake on the side would be nice, to schwoop that out the rear

latent bronze
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@gloomy rock If we all wanted that we would all be using the 290X lol

little osprey
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Nothnig wrong with a good space heater 🙂 - just don't want your space heaters in series, go parallel

ornate tulip
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I feel too like if there are 3 exhaust on the side, it will make the CPU fan blowing to the rear less effective :S

latent bronze
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the fan will blow on the heatsink which the hot air from that will go out of the rear

deep skiff
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bruh that gpu tho

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smol boy time

ornate tulip
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That was the plan, definitely ^lol

latent bronze
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There is only one plan though

ornate tulip
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The plan initially was to have 3 intake 3 exhaust, but you threw a wrench in my gears!!!!! lol

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derp, sorry, 6 intake, 3 exhaust

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that way the side intakes aren't battling the CPU fan. It makes sense in my head...

latent bronze
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it wouldn't battle the CPU fan

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you have air from the bottom as well pulling the inside which is a lot of air so it only makes sense for the side the expel the hot air

ornate tulip
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Dang... It just seems to break the schema of front to back, bottom to top for the flow of heat.

latent bronze
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Pretty much the way you were thinking of everything being positive would actually be negative

ornate tulip
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I thought more pressure inside meant it was positive

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negative I thought was when more air was being drawn out :S

latent bronze
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When dealing with higher end cases and parts you want to expel more but if you were using something like a Ryzen 3 1200 and a RX 550 you can actually use a 3 fan case 2 intake 1 exhaust

polar holly
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From personal experience with a dusty house and the pc-011 case running six intake and three exhaust with passive exhaust out of the rear was sufficient in cooling the ryzen 3900x and a quadro m6000 i had in it with minimal dust entering due to air filters

latent bronze
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For most people that owns it and you can even see builds of them only using 3 intake fans

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6 intake you're not really cycling it well

little osprey
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Thats y open cases r the way to go

polar holly
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I would agree with that i got rid of it for a reason. But the issue with using that build method is it creates negative pressure in the case and with dust it pulls thorugh a unfiltered section.

latent bronze
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See living in a dusty home open air cases are not the way to go

polar holly
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Construction of our office has finished making it viable

little osprey
long rock
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LOL

polar holly
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So i will recommend a six intakes with two exhaust for all dusty environments while using that specific case.

little osprey
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If it works it works

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Lul

lime forge
latent bronze
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i wouldn't recommend 6 intakes

lime forge
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i would

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the more the merrier

polar holly
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Have you built or used a pc-011 case

latent bronze
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I have built for a buddy and he has no heating issues and also for a lot of postings for that case they tend to suggest only 3 for intakes

little osprey
latent bronze
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You want to also expel out the hot air faster not keep it in longer

polar holly
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and i have also built in it with six intake with no heating issues either. I also find if its online doesn't mean that its always right.

ornate tulip
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Folks at Micro Center suggested 3 in on side and 2 out at top

polar holly
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Along with the hot cpu will be pushing its air out the rear of the case.

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While the air will naturally be pushed upwards and rearwards with pressure. from intake and exhaust

latent bronze
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Also the other thing is you're using a Quadro so slap in a GTX/RTX or a RX card inside and you will notice the difference

ornate tulip
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That's how I feel too, @polar holly

polar holly
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What difference will i be noticing.

latent bronze
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He can do it your way but in the long run he will be baking his parts

polar holly
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If you make sure that you temperatures are undercontrol regardless of the way you point your fan it does not effect the baking of your parts

ornate tulip
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The folks at micro center said that maintaining positive pressure is the best and they told me that I shouldn't listen to what you're saying.. I had asked like 3 people about fan config. I'm so sorry EcksGamer but with what people at Micro Center said and what I read on the internet in different forums, I am hesitant to believe your configuration is best!!!

polar holly
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Still waiting on the differences that i will see when i switch from the quadro to a different card

ornate tulip
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It seems like it would not contribute to flow from front to back/bottom to top, and would fight with the CPU fan, and keep negative pressure instead of positive pressure

latent bronze
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Swap then and find out

polar holly
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i have multiple times no change but worse performance in tasks. all temperatures and sound was under control. i have tried a rtx 2070 strix oc along with a rx580.

stark meteor
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Can I ask for assistance with my part list in this chat?

polar holly
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@stark meteor yeah this would be the place. what question

stark meteor
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So I'm really really new to pc building, and this is gonna be my first pc build

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I made a list and wanted some recommendations and help

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This is the list link

polar holly
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What major uses will this be used for

stark meteor
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1080p moderate gaming

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And general use

deep skiff
stark meteor
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Budget is under $870 roughly

fossil hedge
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gamer?

deep skiff
stark meteor
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Reason I used the motherboard was integrated wifi

deep skiff
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oh

stark meteor
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But all the rest looks really good

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Thanks

fossil hedge
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oh wait a moment I want to have a go .

deep skiff
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hmm the majority of b450's with built in wifi are itx boards

ornate tulip
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wow @deep skiff , awesome link. I guess you're right @latent bronze , holy moly

stark meteor
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Yeah that's what I found but this one isnt for some reason

fossil hedge
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ok, @stark meteor

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thats a pc with the ablty to upgrade to better ryzen 3000,

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it has a ryzen 3600

ornate tulip
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watching the airflow at different settings, that's wild. There is much more airflow when it was negative, I've read elsewhere though that it's a couple of degrees more with positive. https://www.scholarlygamers.com/tech-talks/2017/11/14/building-pc-positive-vs-negative-air-pressure/

Scholarly Gamers
Acutejungle66
Building a PC: Positive vs Negative Air Pressure | Scholarly Gamers

AJ examines the choice between building your PC case to have positive or negative air pressure, discussing the benefits of both.

deep skiff
fossil hedge
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same amount of ram, slightly better price, better ssd, same hard drive, (in my opionoin better case), and a cheaper but good power supply

polar holly
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@ornate tulip it depends greatly on case choice also

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So the answer is when you get your case build it and test it

stark meteor
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I liked the look of the nzxt case but I want something easier to build in so I'll take it in consideration

latent bronze
fossil hedge
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ah I see.

latent bronze
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all the one's that has "Max" are 3000 ready

fossil hedge
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ok, well the tomhak has bios flashback so yeah thats fine really

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I mostly disgreed on the price of the CPU, and the price of the ram.

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also the ssd

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and the power supply

latent bronze
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Ya but if he doesn't know how to flash the bios and/or doesn't have a way of getting said bios that would be the easier way

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Always better to have something 3000 ready instead

polar holly
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And many of the b450 max boards are very similar in price to the non max board

latent bronze
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There is usually people that wants to just plug everything together and start playing as soon as they can

ornate tulip
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This video seemed to show differently about positive/negative pressure. I'm definitely going to play around, or maybe flip a coin! 😛 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a12aDCxrcts

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Might try the incense and try different fan configurations.

polar holly
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That’s the best bet to find your configuration for both temperature and dust prevention

ornate tulip
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I'm gonna hold a cat near it too

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See if any furs fly off and such.

deep skiff
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hmm

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i should do that with my cat

latent bronze
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The question is does your cat shed a lot of fur

stoic ember
#

hello team. i need help on picking a graphics card compatible with my motherboard

fossil hedge
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hey

stoic ember
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hey warlord

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am i in the right chat?

fossil hedge
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yep

stoic ember
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ok awesome

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thanks for confirming

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are you able to help now?

fossil hedge
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yep

stoic ember
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awesome

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ty!

fossil hedge
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if you have a pci-16 slot on your mouthbourd, then its going to work with nearly any card.

stoic ember
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so this is my motherboard

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i purchased this graphics card last time and it did not fit....could it be the tower case too small?

fossil hedge
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depends on the chassie,

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but I would bet your motherbourd supports any pci-16 card, which is pretty much every graphics card on the market,

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do you a link to you case?

stoic ember
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yes i do

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give me a few seconds

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let me pull it up

fossil hedge
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cool.

stoic ember
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this is the tower

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thanks for waitin

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waiting***

fossil hedge
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so hey, your max GPU linght is huge, 420mm

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the largest gpu I have ever seen is like 400mm

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so the size is not a issue,

stoic ember
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thats weird

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why didnt that card that i already bought fit in there

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maybe its just that i dont know what i am doing

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lol

fossil hedge
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that might be a possibility yes.

stoic ember
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haha thanks

fossil hedge
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did you have to unscrew anything to put it, as in the card bracket, the thing where the IO comes out