building-and-recc-chat

[vestal fern]

3200 is the double of mine XD maybe i need a new one too XD

[latent bronze]

@vestal fern What is the case and how old is the PSU

[pulsar garnet]

Yeah PSU might need upgrade

[split flame]

Ok thanks man

[vestal fern]

he will get a new case and ps but someone will buy it for him he only need the rest that why

[latent bronze]

@split flame If your budget is up to 650$ i would need to know what you would be playing on it

[vestal fern]

1400-1800 canadian dolar

[split flame]

Fortnite

Rainbow

Cs go

Im think like a 2200g and a rx 580 or a 1660

@latent bronze

[latent bronze]

For those games you can go a step down to a RX 570

[split flame]

Ok how many fps do ya think ID get

BC im tryna reach 144

Least

[pulsar garnet]

How about 3200G?

[latent bronze]

If he is going with a dedicated GPU the 2200G would be enough

[pulsar garnet]

Ah okay

[latent bronze]

he could also go for instead a Ryzen 5 1400

R6S is a little more on the CPU side of things if i remember

@split flame here you go https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3tXcZR

[split flame]

Thanks man

[latent bronze]

everything there you would be able to play all those games with no problem

I went for the B450 board as well just because you would have more room for future upgrades and also have a little more features

@vestal fern For your system i would need to know the average games played or might be played

It would be easier than just throwing parts in there and if it would be a little overkill

[vestal fern]

@latent bronze he play world of warcraft and game like this

[latent bronze]

So MMO's

wouldn't need anything demanding and would cost at least 900$ at most

@vestal fern I play WoW right now maxed out with my system and i get 100 fps on average

@vestal fern Does he want to see inside his case or doesn't care?

[latent bronze]

This would be good enough for him https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/r7vMGG

yes in Canadian prices as well

[vestal fern]

the build look realy good nothing over wat he need i will use it like a base the price is awesome and the ssd M2 price is way lower then the last time i check i feel like if i steal it XD

[latent bronze]

Well i picked a Sata M.2 because for WoW right now and the loading times is very fast

i am using a 2.5" SSD and the loading for WoW is .5 seconds

[vestal fern]

ssd start my pc in 4 sec when i need to shut it down

[latent bronze]

Depending on the SSD you can have a 2 to 8 second start up windows time

[vestal fern]

24/24 7/7 on shut down only when i need to clean or move it or when my ssd burn 3 ssd in 7 years XD but they was 128gb 120gb and atm i got a 228gb he need the same thing a computer who will stay power on 24/7 need to b good for 10 years min like when i build mine and ur build lookt like 1 who can do it

[pulsar garnet]

I love the startup speed on my new SSD

[woeful ocean]

SSD's do make it nice ...

[bold yew]

hello guys, anyone have a suggestion for a good streaming pc build that can stream league of legends, overwatch and dota2 at 1080p@60? my budget is $1000

[little osprey]

ok

[woeful ocean]

all depends on how creative you want to get and not get hung up on needing the most current of everyting. Ryzen 1700x builds should be a good starting point if you go for a b450 or b450 board you will have some budget to play with and have future upgradability. if you want to go old school you can look at rig concepts like older work stattions with large numbers of cores. i.e hp z440, or dell 7910 https://www.greenpcgamers.com does a lot of disucssion work on these rigs in ther blogs.

[bold yew]

thank you 😄

[rapid barn]

Hi All

[floral parrot]

hi

[lime forge]

o/

[floral parrot]

✋

[rapid barn]

Now i need to talk about Ram

[lime forge]

#cpus-mobo-and-memory :D

[rapid barn]

its for my build

:p

[floral parrot]

cool

[rapid barn]

https://secure.newegg.com/global/dz-en/Wishlist/SharedWishlistDetail?ID=iCCLSMM3mRegyZ%2B9fMqmLw%3D%3D

its my new build its ok ?

about Memory

and SSD ?

M2

I Dont known if my Motherborad have 2 M.2 ?

[floral parrot]

i wOuLd sAy gEt tHe 5700xT

[lime forge]

idk what speed that hard drive is

but id make sure its 7200rpm

[latent bronze]

All modern motherboards have a M.2 slot

[rapid barn]

yes but just 1 or 2 ?

[lime forge]

the rest of the build is great, but you shouldnt need a 360mm aio for the 3600, you could downsize to 240 or 280 depending on your case

that motherboard has 3 i think

[elfin flicker]

Memory is fine, Corsair vengeance is pretty standard

[lime forge]

and i love that graphics card, i want one myself

[floral parrot]

you could get 212 evo

[lime forge]

if i were you id get an MSI motherboard to match the graphics card, but im weird like that

[rapid barn]

what is the 212 evo ?

[floral parrot]

air cooler

by cooler master

as its lit asf

[latent bronze]

some boards can have 3 M.2 slots which the 3rd one being behind the board to never be removed

[lime forge]

air coolers 🤢

[floral parrot]

Liquid coolers

[rapid barn]

i thing my cooler corsair is fan 😉

[lime forge]

yeah, the h150i is a great coole

cooler*

[floral parrot]

i didnt get that

[lime forge]

id get it if the fans were rgb

[rapid barn]

yes is RGB

[lime forge]

not the fans

just the pump

[rapid barn]

all is RGB

[lime forge]

if you say so

[floral parrot]

eww my sister is watching anime

[lime forge]

...

[floral parrot]

yes my icon is anime but i dont like it

[lime forge]

the h110i platinum on the other side however

[rapid barn]

its ok for casse ?

[floral parrot]

that cooler is so good looking

[lime forge]

the cooler you have selected in the list you sent is compatible with your case

youre not planning on running this in RAID, are you?

if youre planning on running those in raid, youre gonna wanna get identical drives

[tidal bluff]

ID GO WITH https://www.newegg.com/evga-clc-360-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835288014?Description=EVGA CLC&cm_re=EVGA_CLC-_-35-288-014-_-Product

oops damn caps

3 fan clc

[lime forge]

pfft

h110i

[floral parrot]

corsair is the best

[lime forge]

[latent bronze]

If using AMD you can just use StoreMI and use a 4TB HDD with a 512 M.2

[lime forge]

may i interest you in our lord and savior thermaltake?

[tidal bluff]

your entitled to ur opinion lol

[floral parrot]

you really only need a gammaxx 400

[tidal bluff]

no better customer support than evga

[tidal bluff]

i had a video card out of warranty and they still sent me a replacement

[lime forge]

thermaltakeeeeee!!!

[tidal bluff]

how much tho?

[lime forge]

$180

[tidal bluff]

lol

this is 144

[lime forge]

compared to the h150i, which doesnt have rgb fans and is $200

[floral parrot]

thermal take is so schetchy

[lime forge]

no theyre really not

thermaltake is a great brand

[tidal bluff]

would they replace it out of warranty?

[floral parrot]

but they look schetchy

[lime forge]

they really dont

[floral parrot]

yea not as nice as corsair

[lime forge]

they just have bad translation because theyre not based in the USA

[latent bronze]

ThermalTake is a good brand not a great brand

[lime forge]

thermaltake is such a nice brand

[floral parrot]

yea good not great

[lime forge]

so pretty

[latent bronze]

not really

[tidal bluff]

EVGA is the ONLY company out of alot ive been building over 15 years and not 1 has ever replaced an item out of warranty but EVGA

[floral parrot]

nah looks normal

[rapid barn]

what my coller is not RGB ?

[bold yew]

hey guys, so after some surveys and all, here is my parts list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d4PZ4q

[pulsar garnet]

Get the RX 5700 XT

[bold yew]

whatchu guys think?

[floral parrot]

great budget build

[lime forge]

if youre not overclocking scratch the aio coole

cooler*

and personally id get a western digital 1tb drive instead of that adata one

[floral parrot]

yeah an aircooler will do it

[bold yew]

i wanna overclock a bit, im editing videos for my company

[lime forge]

alright

[floral parrot]

oh you should get 2700X

[bold yew]

i heard oc can improve rendering time

[lime forge]

850w power supply is overkill, go for like 650 or 750 instead

[latent bronze]

If you want pretty you would go for something like this https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/11-146-321-V01.jpg

[lime forge]

nzxt 🤢

[bold yew]

ah thanks, but 2700x is out of my budget

[floral parrot]

thats a sexy case

[bold yew]

i have $1000 to spend

[floral parrot]

2700?

[bold yew]

rip

[lime forge]

hold on a second

[latent bronze]

zack we know cooler cases makes you sick

[rapid barn]

i just need Money now 😂

[tidal bluff]

u will like that psu i have the 750 g3 its awesome

[bold yew]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C4yY6s

is this better?

[pulsar garnet]

NZXT + RX 5700 XT

@lime forge

[lime forge]

@bold yew https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y937D2

oops

[tidal bluff]

this m.2 is a lil cheaper https://www.newegg.com/intel-660p-series-1tb/p/N82E16820167462

[floral parrot]

yea the one zack made is prolly gonna be the best

[bold yew]

ah, thanks @lime forge !

[lime forge]

actually wait

[bold yew]

this seems pretty nice

[lime forge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QsqjYT

there

[tidal bluff]

why 650?

thats low huh?

[lime forge]

nah

[bold yew]

ah yeah, intel 660p is prolly the best bang for the buck

[lime forge]

yep

[floral parrot]

yeet

[latent bronze]

That system is like 550w max

[bold yew]

i watched paul's hardware a lot

[floral parrot]

but i like samsung

[tidal bluff]

i use the 760p its a great m.2

[lime forge]

please dont recommend samsung for a somewhat more budget build

[latent bronze]

@bold yew what are you doing with your system anyways?

[bold yew]

he always emphasizes about how intel 660p is so good for its price

[floral parrot]

nah samsung isnt for budget builds

[bold yew]

video editing, streaming and programming mostly

[lime forge]

my dad has a 660p, its plenty fast and didnt cost a fortune

[bold yew]

i worked as a software engineer/media crew

[latent bronze]

4K video editing or less?

[tidal bluff]

i use the 760p 512

[bold yew]

1080p footage mostly

[lime forge]

maybe bump the power supply up to 750w or something, if you got just a bit more to spend

[latent bronze]

should go with the 2600 then

[floral parrot]

oh yeah thats gonna be good then

[tidal bluff]

when i play battlefield 5 im usualy one of the first ones on map

[floral parrot]

thats impressive

[tidal bluff]

its a 3200 read 1600 write i think

[floral parrot]

usually theres that one guy with the 10 thousand dollar pc lol

[lime forge]

heres my final recommendation for min

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/txXDbX

that way you got a 2700x, 750w power supply

[bold yew]

my boss asked me to buy this instead: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/abdumuhaimin/saved/Tr2n7P

for my personal use

[lime forge]

yeah no

[bold yew]

rip boss

[tidal bluff]

i use same ram power supply and hard drives lol

[floral parrot]

thats not even good

[latent bronze]

@lime forge why did you put a MSI armor card?

[tidal bluff]

now ur boss is probably rich 8k for a pc hahahaha

[lime forge]

thats the one he had selected before

[latent bronze]

or she

[floral parrot]

yea its 2019 zack!

[tidal bluff]

64gb ram lol

[floral parrot]

cant be assuming genders lol

[lime forge]

no controversial topics please

thanks

[bold yew]

im a man

so "he" is correct

😉

[latent bronze]

min you mean it 😛

[tidal bluff]

i can assume what i want lol cant tell someone how to think lol

[lime forge]

topic change, no more of this please

[latent bronze]

Also the MSI armor cards are very loud

[bold yew]

im fine even people called me a "she"

reeee

anyway

the build is pretty nice though

[lime forge]

thats the perks of having yourself as your profile picture

and your name

[bold yew]

i will let u know of any updates

[latent bronze]

@bold yew if you are going for a RX 580 go for Sapphire or XFX or even PowerColor

[tidal bluff]

one reason i got intel was if anything goes wrong with it they are fast to fix it or replace

[latent bronze]

I almost bought that RX 580 till i saw a lot of reviews how the fans are very noisy

[bold yew]

@latent bronze ohhh why is that?

i heard msi is cooler no?

[floral parrot]

idk its kinda weird doing that then everyone knows what you looks like

[bold yew]

xfx is unreliable

i had past experience with their gpu

that thing blows not only dust but also my virginity

[latent bronze]

ya but how long ago is that past

[bold yew]

jk

[lime forge]

now everybody knows what i look like

feast your eyes

im so pretty arent i

[bold yew]

@latent bronze abt 3 years ago

[floral parrot]

alrighty imma do a face reveal

[bold yew]

rx 470

[lime forge]

[latent bronze]

Well Sapphire would be better than MSI

[lime forge]

haha funny joke i lauged

[bold yew]

@latent bronze ohhh glad to know

sapphire nitro or..?

[lime forge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lk4cZR

theres the list with the same cost sapphire card

[bold yew]

there's this one gpu that has blue color on it. it's the SE version i think

[latent bronze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sF648d/sapphire-radeon-rx-580-8gb-nitro-video-card-11265-01

[bold yew]

rx580 4gb?

[latent bronze]

If you want to save a little there is the Pulse

[bold yew]

gosh a downgrade i think?

[latent bronze]

That is a 8gb i linked

Zack if you're putting a 4GB RX 580 you're better off putting a 8gb RX 570 instead

[bold yew]

no the one zack linked me

[floral parrot]

i have 570 8gb and its a good card

[bold yew]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/txXDbX i think i will stick with this one

[floral parrot]

i think its really good for 1080p gaming and its good for editing

[latent bronze]

i have a 4GB version instead and still great for 1080p gaming

well high settings

[floral parrot]

yeet

[latent bronze]

But i am going to upgrade to a 1660

[bold yew]

how much is the diff between 570 and 580 8gb?

its really confusing lol

[latent bronze]

like 10% or 15% if i remember

[bold yew]

ah very little

like rtx 2080 and the ti version

[latent bronze]

Very little to me is like 5% to 7%

[bold yew]

the percentile diff is so small

slash out the little

lol

[rapid barn]

i thing this its fine for me ?

https://www.newegg.com/global/dz-en/black-thermaltake-view-71-tempered-glass-rgb-edition-atx-full-tower/p/N82E16811133359

[bold yew]

u know there's a case being sold in my country that is so cheap and affordable, the cable routing channel is nice too

armaggeddon kagami k1 rgb micro atx

but it's sold out for now on my local store

it's around $30, and has 3 rgb fans

[latent bronze]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147298R what i am using and the cable management is great also the airflow

And also the front is not an image

[floral parrot]

my cousin got a lil tecca sticker for his pc

[latent bronze]

on my side panel i am actually going to paint on it

[nimble zinc]

hello

[latent bronze]

@floral parrot This is what my side panel will look like but the AMD logo will be red

[floral parrot]

nice

[latent bronze]

stickers are ok but painting something cool is better

makes it more unique

[floral parrot]

yeah he love lil tecca

[hazy seal]

Minus the AMD part... that’s great

[latent bronze]

Psh the AMD part is the greatest

[next tangle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3LhC29 good for streaming and gaming on 1 pc? (it's an upgrade, attempting to make it under 500$, 20$ over is fine)

I'm gonna be streaming fortnite, minecraft, roblox, rust

overwatch, destiny 2

games like that

[latent bronze]

for gaming and streaming you can use a 1600

@next tangle I don't understand this there is so many people that helped you make a good build for yourself but yet you keep making other builds and then ask about it

[little osprey]

@latent bronze Lol, I keep thinking the same thing.

[latent bronze]

I am sorry but at this point i tend to think he is trolling

[next tangle]

No I'm just kind of worried. (I guess that's the way of putting it)

I want the best bang for my buck

And keep wondering

If it's the best

Or no the best for my buck

I'm not trying to troll.

[pulsar garnet]

Trust the people here

[wispy gale]

Hey guys. Got a question. I have a friend that trying to upgrade his pc to a cheap gaming one. I have some ram sticks I'm not using that I wanted to give him to save him some money but it is a bit higher speed than the MB specs say it allows. Will it just down clock the ram to the right speed like I think? Or will it cause damage or not work?

[cedar portal]

You are sure it's the same type, DDR3 or DDR4?

so long as it physically fits the slot, it "should" downclock if the motherboard supports that

you'll know very quickly if it won't

[wispy gale]

Yep. DDR3 MB says it will support 1333mhz and the sticks I have are 1600mhz

[cedar portal]

which motherboard?

[wispy gale]

Pegatron M2N68-LA

From a Compaq pc

[little osprey]

AM2 socket ddr3 board, good pics here https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FJ1DZMU
edit: could be ddr2 see below

[cedar portal]

the HP website is confusing, it says dd3 in one place and dd2 in another

[wispy gale]

Should work as a low grade start. Just have to get him some better parts like cpu, gpu, ram, and of course a psu

[cedar portal]

throw a video card on it first

[wispy gale]

Yeah. He is bringing it by the house for me to look over this week so I can know for sure. But if what it says is true its AM3 socket with ddr3

[cedar portal]

and then work toward something newer, that's probably past the the point where it'd be cost effective to spend a lot of money on

[little osprey]

Need more information actually, @ Sador is right, there are submodels, like these two which vary in memory type.
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01701270
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01925534

[cedar portal]

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01925534 is what i'm looking at

[little osprey]

Regardless, I'd recommend going with some used Intel 2nd gen or higher craigslist pc

[cedar portal]

http://www.pc-specs.com/mobo/Pegatron_Corporation/Pegatron_M2N68-LA/953
it's AM2+

[next tangle]

@pulsar garnet 😄

[pulsar garnet]

No ping.

[cedar portal]

if cost is an issue, you could do a super cheap build around a 3400g and still have a pretty banging system for basic gaming
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-3400g/p/N82E16819113570

[wispy gale]

True. I told him the same but he hasn't had much luck finding a cheap one yet. I was going to build him one for around 400 but he wants to try to upgrade that one. This is the pic he sent me.

[little osprey]

I'd abandon the idea of upgrading whatever board that is if you want performance/$ for your time.

[wispy gale]

I agree. I told him the same. That why I'm trying to give him the ram I got instead of buying more. Even with the best I can give it on a budget he is still going to be running low setting on anything that's newer. If he can run them at all depending on what it is. Thanks for the input guys.

[cedar portal]

Ok, I threw this together really fast and assuming he uses his existing Windows 7 key to install with
it's quick and dirty and could be optimized to get better value for dollar i suspect, but it's not bad
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z97mdX

[little osprey]

@ any budget ryzen builds, get this memory https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164107

[wispy gale]

Thanks Sador. That about what I came up with too. Except mine was a but cheaper only cause I had a case a psu for him already. I'm going to try and talk him into a new build. It would be much better in the long run.

[little osprey]

not the ds3h ffs

i'm gonna refuse to help anyone that bought that board

[magic vigil]

how many fans can i put on my mobos fan header assuming I have the splitter required.

each fan header output 1A current and 12w/5volts.

fan specs is
Rated Voltage DC (V)12Operating Voltage DC (V)5 ~ 13.2Current consumption (A)0.16Safety current (A)0.37Input power (W)1.92

[little osprey]

Link the product itself, but if each says it needs .37A, don't put 3 into a 1A header. Probably fine 99.9% of the time, but I'd hate to recommend a potential fire/melt risk 🙂

[magic vigil]

https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/724

the voltage is what scares me.

[little osprey]

3 is probably fine, safety current probably means max draw under x rpm/acceleration. i.e. 3 x .37 = 1.11 Amps worst case

Why? It shouldn't, nothing wrong there.

[magic vigil]

if they min is 5v but the header only gives 5, wouldnt i need 15v for 3

[little osprey]

No, fans, even when daisy chained are always wired with +12V and common in parallel.

[magic vigil]

ok, what the difference when a fan is powered by 5v vs 12v

[little osprey]

The reason they say 5V min is if you want to use the input voltage to vary the fan speed vs PWM speed control using a 4 pin connector.

[magic vigil]

so ill still have pwm at 5v

[little osprey]

With a 3 pin connector, you can vary the red wire from +12V to +5V to control the speed, black wire is common, yellow wire sends the current RPM signal back to the mobo.

On a 4 pin, +12 is always +12, and the duty cycle of the 4th wire is used to tell the fan motor's speed controller what percent of max speed at which to run.

If you have a mobo with 4 pin headers, you specify in the bios whether or not to control that header either way.

If you set header to pwm and plug in a 3 pin fan, the fan just sees +12v and runs 100%

[magic vigil]

ok, so all 3 fans will function correctly with a splitter. The header is 4 pin on the mobo

[little osprey]

If you set header to DC (varies +12V down to 5V) and plug in a 4 pin fan, most PWM fans will still throttle by DC control

Yes, the splitter for PWM signal sharing fans wires all but the yellow tach signal in paralell. Only one fan from the splitter should be wired back to the mobo, otherwise you'd get 2x, 3x high rpm etc.

[magic vigil]

In short yes, I can have a three way splitter to the motherboard controll the fans normally and not worry

and what ever i set in the mobo all three will run at that rpm

[little osprey]

Ya, as long as you set that header to pwm mode.

[magic vigil]

ok. i have 10 fans and 5 headers, but want to control them in groups of 3, 3, 3, and 1. how should I do this

[little osprey]

That's a ton of fans. Got a link to your total parts list?

[magic vigil]

I do i give you the part list from pcpartpicker

nvm

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vdDtmq

[little osprey]

Ya, have you bought anything yet?

[magic vigil]

no, all is subject to change

[little osprey]

Needs a cpu at least, I assume 3900x? 3950x?

[magic vigil]

3950x

[little osprey]

So, budget around 3-4k not including monitor/peripherals, all new parts in USA, 2080ti + 3950x?

[magic vigil]

i have monitor and peripherals already

all new

USA

[little osprey]

I'll make some suggestions if you're interested

[magic vigil]

sure

i'd love some

[little osprey]

Do you game, stream, video edit, virtual machine stuff, what's your use case and personal preference

[magic vigil]

Game, Video edit

i like a dark color scheme, and with or without rgb.

I might start streaming

[little osprey]

Do you want to pay a bit extra to get memory that works at "ideal" speed/timings out of the box, or buy versatile stuff you can manually OC to the same or better

[magic vigil]

I'll OC

[little osprey]

Want RGB ram or nah

[magic vigil]

doesnt matter, just want whats best

[pulsar garnet]

RGB makes it faster

[magic vigil]

shut up

lol

[pulsar garnet]

Sorry

[magic vigil]

im joking

ok, go cry rainbows

[lime forge]

when in doubt

dont forget

:D

[magic vigil]

....

Im color blind, why would you do this

lol

jk

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/BigEndianEnergy/saved/v68whM

[lime forge]

you MONSTER

3.5k and only 3200mhz ram

[magic vigil]

ryzen 3000 doesnt care about anything above 3800

[little osprey]

TBH, lot of picks are dependent on preference. Pick whatever 2080 ti you like most, tons of memory options for 2x16 high bin b-die, but they all use the same K4A8G085WB-BCPB IC's

[magic vigil]

ok, the ram is what gets me

and the psu

1000w is overkill

[little osprey]

Sure, depends on how quiet you want the system to be during max loads. 2080 ti can use 320-400+ watts load depending on model, the 3950x will use an unknown amount, probably 200+

[magic vigil]

the evga one stay fairly quiet, but worst case pay 10 more for 850w

[little osprey]

There's a great 850W model of that PSU as well. If you want a cheaper PSU, nothing wrong with going 80+ gold or plat for well under $200

The AX850/1000/1600 series is far superior to the EVGA T2 850/1600 etc

[magic vigil]

after 80+ gold the savings is irrelivent

[little osprey]

The power cost isn't the reason I'd recommend the AX1000 to many, but I agree.

[magic vigil]

the asus 2080ti has better pcb, it will stay cooler over all

[little osprey]

They're both up there, but if like I said, if you prefer the strix, go with that.

Just pick a SKU that has a non-a chip

[magic vigil]

the eisbaer out performs the dark rock by a lot

[little osprey]

If you want an AIO for the looks, go AIO

[magic vigil]

why only one fan

[little osprey]

No reason to add it 10x haha, could edit price manually

[magic vigil]

ok

why 3tb of storage

[little osprey]

You said you want a $3k-4k system to video edit and game. Could certainly cut costs here and there

[magic vigil]

nvm, i forgot to mention i already have another nvme

[little osprey]

Anyway, good pick on that particular AIO, it is one of the top tier 360's.

[magic vigil]

what are some other top tier 360's

[little osprey]

x72, h150i pro

[magic vigil]

the lian li o11d xl is the case of dreams for me

so my build is solid and I wont need to change anything for the most part

[little osprey]

Same parts as original?

[magic vigil]

ill change the psu, and the storage

as for ram, it has better timings, and higher latency

[little osprey]

Ya, for a $3k+ system, I'd get rid of that G3. I own a G3 850, they're notorious for their lack of over-temp, over-current etc protection.

Your ram is fine albeit expensive, I picked 2x16 vs 2x8 because you said you'd like to video edit.

[magic vigil]

video editing isn't too big. I might do it on my old system

thanks for all the help

[little osprey]

np

[magic vigil]

one last thing, the ram is the new neo line. That's "optimized" for ryzen 3000, but it's most likely flavor text

[little osprey]

It's the same b-die set to a higher voltage. Trident z Neo F4-3600X is F4-3600CX IC wise

[magic vigil]

will it yield any benefits

[little osprey]

I asked if you preferred flexible OC'able ram vs out of box performance, 3200c14 is most flexible, 3600c14 is heavily marked up. 2x8 3200c14 costs $120 ish

[magic vigil]

can 3200c14 get to 3800mhz

[little osprey]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dsu9K1Nt_7apHBdiy0MWVPcYjf6nOlr9CtkkfN78tSo/edit#gid=527992713

But yes, easily. Even on zen+/zen2 etc. 3200c14 b-die on Intel is even more versatile.

[magic vigil]

is it single rank or duel rank

[little osprey]

3200c14 16GB dimms will usually be dual rank, new sticks with 16Gbit IC's will be single rank.

[magic vigil]

so what ram speed and timings should i have for best performance

what is gdm

maybe explain the chart to me

[elder canyon]

God darn millenials

Gdm

Gotta be pg

[magic vigil]

what

[little osprey]

3600c14 is a pretty great clock/timing. My point is that you can OC 3200c14 or equivalent b-die or even Micron Rev.E to that safely on most zen2 cpu's.

Not everyone enjoys that but still wants that magic 3600MHz mclk, - that's why I ask for preference

[magic vigil]

but with the 3600 neo i could theoretically lower my timings further than possible with the 3200

[little osprey]

With the particular 3600c14 neo kit you chose, yes, you could. Whether or not that's worth x price vs $120 sticks that can do the same is up to you.

I actually recommend this stuff most of the time, it can oc to 3600c16 very easily https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164107

But at $3k+ budget, might as well get the good stuff (b-die)

[magic vigil]

how do i know what die it is

[little osprey]

Lots of googling haha. This is a useful tool https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/>

This is the reddit thread that links to the spreadsheet posted earlier https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cdjpnk/ryzen_3xxx_series_ram_overclocking_community_sheet/

[magic vigil]

cool, so if i keep the ram i have it'll cost more but I could get better performance

[little osprey]

Good general writeup on ddr4 https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md

Sure

[magic vigil]

so the only thing i should change for sure is the psu.

[little osprey]

I'd say that's most important.

[magic vigil]

besides that 1000w what are some other good ones

[little osprey]

I like his reviews the most. https://www.tomshardware.com/articles/?author_name=Aris Mpitziopoulos

[magic vigil]

thanks, it's nice to see someone spend this much time out of their day to help a stranger.

[little osprey]

No problem, half the reason I do so is to teach myself along the way. Also now I have a $3500 build saved if someone were to ask.

I should probably annotate each choice, would help explain a lot.

[magic vigil]

I'm glad I could kinda help you

[magic vigil]

what's a good 750w - 850w modular psu?

[next tangle]

@little osprey So what my family planned is that we're gonna see what's under 500$ during black friday and cyber monday and see if there are some big deals for PC parts that would be better than what I currently have listed now, do you think the 3600 will be on sale?

[deep skiff]

not for a $500 build

[rough loom]

maybe slight discount

[steel snow]

someone help

[floral parrot]

ok

[steel snow]

building my first pc

[cedar portal]

whta's broke?

[steel snow]

$650 budget lol

[cedar portal]

is that all?

[floral parrot]

USD?

[cedar portal]

$650 is a lot

[steel snow]

usd

[floral parrot]

is it for gaming

[steel snow]

gaming and video and music production

[cedar portal]

is that a soft budget or a hard budget

?

[floral parrot]

do you want zen2 or plus

[steel snow]

hard budget

[cedar portal]

so absolutely no more than $650

[steel snow]

rn im planning on getting the ryzen 5 2600 at $129.30 cheapest its gotten so far

no more than $650 or $550 soft budget

[floral parrot]

do you mind updating the bios

[steel snow]

Case: Phaneteks Eclipse Steel Atx Mid Tower // $59,99
Cpu: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 with Wraith Stealth Coller // $129.30
Ram: Corsair Vengeance 16gb (2x8) ddr4 3200mhz // $69.99
Motherboard: Msi arsenal Amd ryzen B450 Tomahawk // $114.95

thats what i have in me amazaon cart atm lol

my*

[floral parrot]

what GPU

[cedar portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8cYVq4

[steel snow]

need the gpu atm

[cedar portal]

that's more or less what i'm looking at building in a month or two

[steel snow]

the cpu ryzen 5 2600 went downalot coming from $199 to $169 now $129

[cedar portal]

yeah

AMD is no doubt working on clearing old stock before introducing the 3500

[steel snow]

idk what gpu to get bcuz there all $250+

[cedar portal]

the 570 is a solid choice

[floral parrot]

rx 570 8gb is good

[steel snow]

anything 3000+ isto over my budget lol maybe later on

[cedar portal]

has anyone does a 3400g vs 2600?

[lime forge]

rx 580 or 590 for sub 250

[steel snow]

rx 570 is at $149-178

ill probably get it

[cedar portal]

my list is already $20 over his $650 hard budget

do you have a PC right now?

kaiy?

[steel snow]

naw just mommy supported macbook pro lel

[cedar portal]

: /

[steel snow]

but im getting paid $400 a week at my job so im helping pay now

[cedar portal]

l

k

[steel snow]

i need a good ssd now

[floral parrot]

660p is great

[steel snow]

660p?

[lime forge]

intel 660p

[floral parrot]

yea from intel

[cedar portal]

so put back $50 a week and make do with the macbook till the end of the year and you'll have $800 to do with what you want

[lime forge]

comes in 512gb at $60, 1tb from $100 and 2tb for $200

and they often go on sale

[steel snow]

should i wait for any black friday sales later on for parts?

[cedar portal]

if your need is not pressing, i would say so

[steel snow]

ima scared the cpu is gonna go up in price lol

[little osprey]

The 3600 is not going up from $200 haha

[cedar portal]

i doubt it will, the 2600 will probably sell at or around $130 until they run out

[steel snow]

kinda want to build my pc once modern warfare comes through lol

[rough loom]

looks at sli bridge. Becomes angry same

[little osprey]

What's worse, two 2011 GPU's on a 9900k or two 2011 CPU's on a 2080 ti

[lime forge]

cpus paired with a 2080ti

[steel snow]

noob question: how will i get wireless wifi to my pc

[lime forge]

either 1: get a usb wifi adapter
2: pcie wireless adapter
3: get a motherboard that has wireless built in

[steel snow]

what would be the cheapest

[lime forge]

depends

[steel snow]

or what do most ppl do

[lime forge]

most people use ethernet

but id wanna get a motherboard with wifi built in

[little osprey]

Or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HEM6C7C

[steel snow]

latom

[little osprey]

Haha z370 vs z390 is largely usb 3.1 gen 2 + 802.11 AC integration.

[steel snow]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075DMYVBV/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

should i get this? lol

[silent kettle]

Hi...I am new to discord....need technical support for the server machine I am trying to build...

[floral parrot]

aight what do you need

[silent kettle]

are you a newegg tech support?

[floral parrot]

nope just some smart kid lol

[steel snow]

yall know any nice cases for atx $55 and below?

[silent kettle]

I need to size power supply and chassis for my supermicro dual socket server system...

[floral parrot]

does newegg not have the measurement of the PSU so you can fit it in the case?

[silent kettle]

I don't know...never worked with newegg before and they don't seem to have a phone support...

[floral parrot]

[phone] their closed today cuz its labour day but you can call tomorrow

[silent kettle]

Thanks...

[little osprey]

What kind of supermicro server?
-I'm not tech support either, I use a Supermicro sas846 myself though.

[steel snow]

without the gpu🥵

[lime forge]

[steel snow]

is it okay run games like LoL, csgo and minecraft off the cpu lol

[lime forge]

nope

[steel snow]

🙂

:(*

[lime forge]

that processor doesnt have integrated graphics

[steel snow]

so FL Studio for music production should be fine?

[lime forge]

nope

you literally wont get anything on your screen lol

[steel snow]

sigh

so i need the damn gou

gpu

[lime forge]

or this

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-2400g/p/N82E16819113480?Description=2400g&cm_re=2400g-_-19-113-480-_-Product

swap out your cpu for that and youre good to go

[little osprey]

3400g is $20 more, gets a spire vs stealth

[lime forge]

oops

my bad

well then if you get the 3400g then you also gotta make sure the motherboard is compatible

[little osprey]

It's worth checking both, the 2400g gets super cheap sometimes

[steel snow]

yeah the 2400g is $119

[lime forge]

any amd processor with a g on the end has integrated graphics

[steel snow]

while the 3400g at 149.99

[lime forge]

but to be honest id just get dedicated grapocs

graphics*

[rough loom]

integrated is not a good time

even the latest apu's are lucky to get good fps at 720p

[little osprey]

TBH, a 1050 ti . rx570 will drive the two games you mentioned, csgo/minecraft well above any display you can buy - probably

[lime forge]

integrated is good for ultra budget

DONT GET THE 1050TI

[rough loom]

570 is the better buy

[lime forge]

the rx 570 is cheaper and 70% faster

and fyi i have a 1050ti and i can run a vr headset

[little osprey]

I agree, but not if he wants to single pc stream. Worth the ask

[steel snow]

rn i have the 570 in my save later bcuz i wanted to buy the main essentials and hopefully get the 570 at a cheaper price later on or a better graphics

[lime forge]

could always buy used

[steel snow]

i mainly wanna just do music/video production and gaming (mainly Overwatch, csgo, r6siege and hopefully modern warfare)

[little osprey]

Not a bad plan. RX 570/580 only pull ahead by a lot since $80 for a 570 on ebay is common for a 4GB

[steel snow]

and LoL

ew 4gb

[lime forge]

i have a 4gb card

[rough loom]

unless you put money up your not gonna get a ton in the graphics world

[little osprey]

Not much more for the 8, though few games in 1080 use more, or more importantly, can't be configured to use <4GB without major sacrifice - I'd guess

[steel snow]

as long as i can play most popular games at high settings im good

[rough loom]

your gonna need a 580 or better than

specially if you wanna stream

[little osprey]

I think used 570 4GB $<100, <$250 1660, $300 something 5700 are the big performance/price cards

[steel snow]

anybody the diff between ryzen 2600 and 2600x?

[little osprey]

Nvidia, especially something like the 1050 ti used or a new 1660 $<200 are the way to go if you know you want to single pc stream because NVENC
-assuming you don't have a 3900x or something to x264 encode without losing fps

[rough loom]

stock clock speeds

I havent been super impressed by nvenc

[steel snow]

should i do ryzen5 2400g then add a 580 once i get more money?

or the 3400g

[steel snow]

$553.44 with rx570

[lament ginkgo]

go for the 8gig graphic card or you will run into some major pipeline blockage and crashes due to running out of card memory.

[oblique cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ydsGmq

Thoughts?

[cedar portal]

If you can fit it into your budget, I'd put an M.2 NVME drive on there to use boot/games

[safe wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFtC-9fLFEk

[lavish meteor]

@oblique cloak what is your budget?

Also you could get a cheaper HDD that has 2TB aswell

And the mobo isn't so good

[latent bronze]

The motherboard is good i am using it right now

@lavish meteor Have you personally tried it out to know if it isn't so good?

[lavish meteor]

Yes

I have

And MSI tomahawk is best performance for money also

It doesn't mean the mobo is good if you are using it

[latent bronze]

Well i have not had any issues for a year now so

Oh ya and suggesting a smaller hard drive without knowing how many games and other things as well is something i wouldn't do or i would at least suggest a hybrid drive instead

[lavish meteor]

Eh..

2tb HDD is good enough

I would change the set to this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pn6cZR

[latent bronze]

Good chance he already has a case since it is not on his list

[lavish meteor]

@latent bronze the mobo has bad Vrms

Hmm

[latent bronze]

Also if he doesn't plan on overclocking just yet he can keep using the stock cooler since it is pretty good

[lavish meteor]

Eh

The stock cooler that comes with that isn't good

Wraith spire is okay

But wraith stealth isn't good

[latent bronze]

As i mentioned earlier i have been using it for a year and the VRM's still seems fine

[lavish meteor]

Yeah but the mobo quality is still bad

[latent bronze]

ok if you say so and his build is still good

[lavish meteor]

So i don't recommend that mobo, B450-M mobo is the lowest i would go

Eh, he can change the HDD to cheaper one

[latent bronze]

or change it to a hybrid

[lavish meteor]

Also why use WiFi if you can use ethernet.

[latent bronze]

You do know that some people has their router in another room at times right

[lavish meteor]

I have a router in my room

[latent bronze]

If i was to replace his motherboard i would go for this one instead https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157868

[lavish meteor]

I still use ethernet

More convenient

[latent bronze]

You do know i said another room not in his room

and i doubt he would want like a 100 foot ethernet cord

[lavish meteor]

MSI B450 tomahawk is still better

Eh, i have the ethernet port right under my table

[latent bronze]

lets agree to disagree

[lavish meteor]

Routers go to ethernet ports

Lol

[latent bronze]

You know you fail to see the point because in his home he could have the router in the living room while he wants his PC in his room so how are you going to connect by ethernet if it is not in the same room without a 100+ foot cable

[lavish meteor]

Mostly every modern house has a ethernet port in each room

?

Stop using reactions and talk.

[latent bronze]

You're assuming what his place is like

some people can still live in a house that was built in the early 1900's

[lavish meteor]

And i have freedom to do that if he hasn't told anything

And houses that were built in early 1900's would have a renovation done to them.

[latent bronze]

The only thing he might need extra is a wifi booster

[lavish meteor]

Well idc, im just trying to help the guy by getting him a better mobo, so why would we even argue?

[little osprey]

Let's get pedantic, what kind of router do you use in your room?

[lavish meteor]

I have a router in my room only for my phone to have good WiFi

Since it doesn't use ethernet

Well phones can't use ethernet

[little osprey]

I'm assuming you have a router/switch/wap combo unit with DHCP disabled and configured as a bridge?

[lavish meteor]

Yes

[latent bronze]

Well that isn't completely true since you can get a ethernet adapter for phones

[lavish meteor]

Eh

Nobody uses em

[latent bronze]

I am sure there are people that does use them just no one that is on here

[lavish meteor]

Hmm.

Im sure 97% of ppl use WiFi with their phones

We kinda changed the topic.

Well i'll go now

[latent bronze]

Another thing about the motherboard thing is that since he doesn't have a case in his list he could be using a Micro ATX case which then that MSI board would not fit

[little osprey]

Don't get the ds3h

Senor didn't take the best approach to persuade there, but ya, there are a boat load of people buying tomahawks, trust me, that makes googling for help that many times easier.

[chilly marsh]

when i had a lower budget back in earlier 2019, i was going to go for the ds3h but decided against it cause there were more cons for me personally than pros and i just didnt have the time or really care to deal with it cause it wasnt worth it

theres plenty of others that are better out there

[oblique cloak]

@latent bronze My budget is around 600 to 800 dollars and yes as u stated i do not have an Ethernet connection port in my room. the HDD im not going to buy since i have a previous harddrive (Ill upgrade once i get a job) as for case im using an old case for now but want to get a thermal take case in the near future

[little osprey]

Spend $60 of that >600 on a new 500GB m.2 NVME drive like the 660p.

[oblique cloak]

@little osprey https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiSmNHtq7XkAhWEnp8KHZOLAK0YABAIGgJxYg&sig=AOD64_258cydg9KPgmhz-ZYw5CAAbFOv1A&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwjtk8ztq7XkAhVMTd8KHXA_BPsQ2CkInQU&adurl=

like this?

[little osprey]

Link straight to the site next time, but yep. if you're open to build advice, I think I have a recent-ish $600 level pcpp

[lavish meteor]

@oblique cloak if you wabt a good airglow case get Meshify C or CM H500 or CMH500M

(CM means cooler master if yoh didn't know)

But well im not a low budget guy, i build custom PCs at around 1000-2500$

[toxic gorge]

Need help guys, finished building my threadripper pc but trying to boot my computer and it doesn't boot, the motherboard gives me AE code. What to do guys?

[lavish meteor]

The first thing you should have done is google search before asking.

[toxic gorge]

So if it can't find boot device, I can't see bios?

[lavish meteor]

"AE" apparently is a UEFI code meaning "Legacy Boot Event".

Legacy Boot Event apparently means "can't find a boot device".

[toxic gorge]

OK, but I can't get in to bios

[lavish meteor]

Anyway, code "AE" shows up when the BIOS is showing "Cannot find boot device" on the monitor. I just hit DEL and changed the first boot device to the USB drive, and the Windows installation started right up.

Also #1 rule of debugging: "is it plugged in?"

Check the cables

[toxic gorge]

Yes, all plugged in

[lavish meteor]

Of GPu

Mhm

What mobo do you have

[toxic gorge]

And also, all my nzxt cooling staff (aio, fans) don't lights up, X399 aours xtreme

[lavish meteor]

Hmm

I'll brb, gon a go get my pizza

[toxic gorge]

But my motherboard lights up and gpu

[lavish meteor]

Check if the fans are connected and if they have their RGB cable connected

Ceck if your monitor is plugged in aswell

Check*

Ok, before looking for the difficult solutions, try a bare essentials boot.

Unplug every non-essential item - USB sticks, cards, extra memory, extra hard drives, optical drives, mouse, etc.  Just have the PSU, CPU, base memory, monitor, keyboard, and boot device installed.  Try to boot the system.  What is the error code(s) then?  Check your mobo manual for the details.  They're usually the most accurate description, but may not cover all of them, unfortunately.

[toxic gorge]

OK, thank you!

[lavish meteor]

It means you have to take the GPU out aswell

[toxic gorge]

Yea I know, I'm not that stupid

[lavish meteor]

Good

If that doesn't work then idk

[latent bronze]

Fade you do know he could have a better case than what you're suggesting as well

[little osprey]

I'm guessing you have bios set to csm or legacy and you're booting a new system from a disk used in a previous install?

Disable csm, but more importantly clean install. HMU if you need help getting an iso for builds 18362 - 18970.

[pulsar garnet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Zovyra/saved/YPF3t6
3900X might be replaced with 3950X so i put the price around $800. all prices are after tax. other than comments like "intel!" or "why are you spending so much on CPU" any feedback? XD

[deep skiff]

yeah the second one

[pulsar garnet]

other than that

[deep skiff]

:l

but fr why 3950x? Is it gonna be a workstation build or something

[pulsar garnet]

both gaming and workstation yeah

[coarse coral]

[lavish meteor]

@pulsar garnet why Blower?

With 476$you can get the new Red Devil rx 5700xt which is alot better because it has dual fans instead of blower

Why is the 3900x 800$??

Wth

Thats overpriced af or are those canadian dollars

[pulsar garnet]

If you read my whole message you'd see

3950X is $750 almost $800 after tax

[lavish meteor]

Hmm

[pulsar garnet]

Reading goes a long way lol

[lavish meteor]

Why go with 3950x?

3900x is good enough

[pulsar garnet]

Because I need the cores

For purposes

[lavish meteor]

Thats a big overkill

3900x has enough cores for gaming and workstation

3950x is just a pure overkill

[pulsar garnet]

[lavish meteor]

Why do you need more than 12 cores?

[pulsar garnet]

I just do

[lavish meteor]

Eh

If you wanna spend lots of your money, go for it, but there is literally no point going overkill

[deep skiff]

it’s a workstation build mainly @lavish meteor

so he would need the cpu power instead of gpu, but he wants to game a little

[lime forge]

M O A R C O R E S (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

justified reason for getting any processor over 8 cores ^

[pulsar garnet]

It's both gaming and work station

[toxic gorge]

@lavish meteor I got the bios working but for some reason my nzxt hub seems to not work. Nzxt kraken v62 needs to light up in boot?

[lavish meteor]

Im not a watercooling boi so idk if it should light up in the boot, maybe send the hub back?

@toxic gorge

[vague willow]

you guys think this list is a good budget build?

https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/dl/invite/7UjH1X8?ref_=wl_share

lmk your opinion and whether or not you're able to view the list

[latent bronze]

Got a list that isn't amazon like pcpartpicker instead?

[little osprey]

3950x is bandwidth starved

[toxic gorge]

@lavish meteor working 👌

[rough loom]

nice. looks good

[little osprey]

what cpu is that

[vague willow]

yea I can link a PC part picker list just gimme a minute

[little osprey]

i meant in the pic

[vague willow]

I was responding to @latent bronze lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rxr6nH

[latent bronze]

This would cost you 3$ less https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RwV6nH

[vague willow]

oh dope

thanks

[latent bronze]

np

When you save up a little more money get a 250gb/256gb M.2 for your OS ok

[vague willow]

will do 👌🏼

[lime forge]

thanks @inland lichen

[inland lichen]

Looking to buy a new motherboard, processor, memory, and graphics card

[deep skiff]

what budget?

[inland lichen]

2,200 tops

[deep skiff]

a full system or just those parts?

[inland lichen]

I already have tower, disk drives, 2 HDDs, a solid state drive, psu, fans....

[deep skiff]

ic

what case?

[inland lichen]

Those 4 components are the most outdated on the computer

Mid tower, dunno name

[deep skiff]

gotcha

i was just looking for aio compatibility but a nice air cooler should be fine

[inland lichen]

Bought a custom built computer

It has a vent on top with 2 fans inside

[deep skiff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qmsZBb heres one and a bit under budget

[inland lichen]

Decent size insidw

[deep skiff]

and if u wanted more ram u could just add it

[inland lichen]

Is that cooler liquid cooling?

[deep skiff]

no, its air

but it performs on par as themhttps://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/noctua-nh-d15-review,1.html

[inland lichen]

And i would prefer intel, already have amd would like to go back intel

[deep skiff]

ahh

ill configure it real quick

[inland lichen]

Thank you!

[deep skiff]

here u go https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rKr6nH

and a good mobo+cooler for oc'ing

[inland lichen]

That seems extremely pricey for 4 items when i was seeing whole computers with better components for around 1,200-1,500

[deep skiff]

yeah its a 2080ti

2.2k is a large budget

so i picked the best gpu on the market

what were u looking at?

[inland lichen]

I don’t plan on overclocking, and that video card i know won’t fit

[deep skiff]

could u link the other computers?

[inland lichen]

Yes one sec

[deep skiff]

thanks

[inland lichen]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.3878625

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-rtx-2080-gaming-x-trio/p/N82E16814137340

[deep skiff]

yeah thats a 9900k+2080 tho

[inland lichen]

Except i am looking for not a triple fan that would be too long

[deep skiff]

the 9900k is only a few percent faster than the 9700k, but the 2080 ti is around 30% faster

usually you are gpu bottlenecked unless 1080p low settings

[inland lichen]

Huh on that last comment

I don’t understand sorry

[deep skiff]

and you could knock off a bit of the price with a cheaper 2080 ti https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-11g-p4-2281-kr/p/N82E16814487418?Description=rtx 2080 ti&cm_re=rtx_2080_ti-_-14-487-418-_-Product

https://www.wepc.com/tips/cpu-gpu-bottleneck/ heres a guide for bottlenecking if you want to check it out

and you can check out the 9700k vs the 9900k here https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3421-intel-i7-9700k-review-benchmark-vs-8700k-and-more and the 2080/2080 ti here https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-vs-rtx-2080,37809.html

[inland lichen]

As sexy as those graphics cards are i want one more in the 600-700 $ range, i know it is 1000 plus just cause it is new and won’t be that price in a year or 2

[deep skiff]

ahh gotcha

well 2080 supers are actually around the same price as the 2080 iirc

[inland lichen]

Whats the difference

[deep skiff]

the super cards are a refresh

because of amd's navi launch

this ones only like $30 more than the 2080's for like 8% better performance

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-2080-super-08g-p4-3081-kr/p/N82E16814487461?Description=rtx 2080 super&cm_re=rtx_2080_super-_-14-487-461-_-Product

[inland lichen]

Now that is what i am talking about

Why such a difference in price, just the added 3gb of ram?

[deep skiff]

for 2080 vs 2080 ti?

[inland lichen]

And i was reading the bottleneck article, so what is saying is that i want a processor and graphics card that are the same processing speed?

And yes? I guess

[deep skiff]

you can get a gpu 1 or 2 tiers higher than the cpu and still be fine

like a $200 cpu with a $1000 gpu performs only a little behind a $500 cpu and $700 gpu

and the 2080 ti has the vram, and 1.5x cores

and more rt+tensor cores

[inland lichen]

Don’t know what you are talking about in the last 2 sentences

[deep skiff]

basically it has more ram (in gpu's its called vram for video ram) and more cores (which help it produce more frames and render/create scenes faster)

it has higher performance in every way to the 2080, and the prices show that

[inland lichen]

But anyways that $700 one, what would be an ideal cpu to pair with it

[deep skiff]

the i7 9700k would be fine

$300-400 cpu's are the sweet spot of performance and price in a lot of high end builds

[inland lichen]

Okay so those 2 components with an ideal mobo and memory

[deep skiff]

yeah

more expensive motherboards are mainly for overclocking (having better and stronger components) and as long as you get any set of 2 8gb sticks of 3000mhz ram you should be fine

[inland lichen]

Could you recommend a mobo and memory with that $700 gpu and i7 9700k

[deep skiff]

yeah give me a sec

[inland lichen]

Fo sho

[deep skiff]

i think the asus tuf z370 boards should be good, but i dont know a whole lot about intel ask @coarse coral he loves intel

[inland lichen]

Okay thank you for all the help

[coarse coral]

?

[deep skiff]

good board for 9700k

he wouldnt be oc'ing a lot so not a super expensive one

[coarse coral]

z390 asus tuf

[deep skiff]

plus or pro?

[inland lichen]

And memory?

[deep skiff]

just any generic kit will do

heres the mobo https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119160

[coarse coral]

doesnt matter, hes not ocing

[deep skiff]

and this ram is cheap and good https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820233859?Description=16gb ram&cm_re=16gb_ram-_-20-233-859-_-Product

[inland lichen]

Sweet now for the mobo, do most mobos have same height and length?

[deep skiff]

depends on form factor

[inland lichen]

Form factor?

[deep skiff]

usually the majority are atx or m-atx so its not an issue

and that motherboard linked is atx

[inland lichen]

I think my mobo now is amd A570

[deep skiff]

x570?

[inland lichen]

Yes i think

[deep skiff]

why would you upgrade? thats like a current gen motherboard

[inland lichen]

Would that be roughly same size, it is around 7+ years old....

[deep skiff]

what cpu?

[inland lichen]

It had amd phenoem II

Has*

[deep skiff]

oh

yeah thats old

must be an older motherboard cause im thinking of the new gen stuff called x570

but should fit if they're both atx

[inland lichen]

Hmmm okay, do you think you will be on here later? In like an hour or 2, just not next to my computer, at another house

[deep skiff]

yeah im usually on until 10pm est

or a bit later

but if i'm not on a lot of others should be able to help you

[inland lichen]

Fo sho thank you! For all the help i like picking your brain so i can figure it out by myself in the future

[floral parrot]

hey can someone show me a good build for 800 CAD just needs to play minecraft and fortnite and the normal non demanding games

[deep skiff]

just the tower?

[floral parrot]

yeah my friend already has a monitor

[deep skiff]

cad looks so much more expensive than usd

i see a 2600 for 180 and cried

[round flare]

Hey guys I'm new around here and also to computers

[deep skiff]

heres one for 813cad @floral parrot https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gTvnmq

[gaunt zinc]

Welcome @round flare !

[round flare]

Thanks

[deep skiff]

:o mike speaks

[round flare]

I have a question, I've recently been wanting to invest into a desktop

And I've been recommended this list

[gaunt zinc]

Hmmm... "Welcome" sounds for formal... YO @round flare
Yeah... that's better

[round flare]

Lol

Can I post a link here?

[deep skiff]

a website one yeah

[round flare]

Ok

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/24jybX

[deep skiff]

u just cant post discord invites here

[round flare]

Can someone tell me if this is pretty good

I've been told it's decent

I don't know much though

[floral parrot]

Thanks a lot @deep skiff the one i made is a lot worse and wouldnt even comapare in performance lolhttps://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZDr6nH

[deep skiff]

yeah cad is a lot harder to work with for me personally

@round flare https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k7D2QZ the mobo+cpu and ssd don't really fit, the ssd is a really good one and the 3400g is a lower tier so i changed some stuff

and you can get window keys for like $10

[round flare]

What should I change the cpu to

[deep skiff]

i edited the list for u

[round flare]

oh ok thanks

[deep skiff]

but kept the gpu, which could be upgraded to 1660/rx 590

[round flare]

So the samsung ssd can't fit the motherboard?

That sucks because the ssd was a gift

[deep skiff]

oh

no i meant it was a really good, expensive one

[round flare]

Oh I got that one already

[deep skiff]

might want to mark it as purchased

[round flare]

I can hang on to it then?

oh will do

[deep skiff]

yea

but i would either swap the cpu to ryzen 3600 and keep the mobo or for a bit cheaper route got 2600+ $90 b450 mobo

[round flare]

so is the mobo too good for the cpu

[deep skiff]

the cpu has an iGPU, which you wont need

[round flare]

Oh ok

[deep skiff]

the G stands for graphics on ryzen, and F on intel for iGPU's

[round flare]

Oh I didn't know that

[deep skiff]

and if you got some cheaper ram you could get a ryzen 3600 which is around 25% faster

and on intel the K stands for overclockable, but all ryzen chips are

[round flare]

The problem is that I can't afford to spend much more

[deep skiff]

if you get cheaper ram it will be the same price

[round flare]

Oh ok

[deep skiff]

and the 3600 has a good enough cooler for daily use+gaming at stock you could either remove it or get a little cheaper one

[round flare]

Yeah I'm now planning on actually buying a cooler since the one comes with it

not

[deep skiff]

yeah that should save you some money, and if you want to get a better cooler down the line you can

[round flare]

so let's say I keep the one I have there, would it run smoothly? and how long until I need to upgrade

[deep skiff]

the stock cooler?

[round flare]

No the gpu

I got that one specifically because it was on sale

[deep skiff]

oh the rx580?

its a solid 1080p card, and should last a bit

[round flare]

is that the name for the ryzen I have rn

[deep skiff]

thats the gpu name

[round flare]

Oh ok I was just referring to it as the 3400

good to know names

So it should last me a bit right

the graphics card and mobo are pretty up to date right?

[deep skiff]

yeah

the motherboard is current gen, and the gpu is current gen

[round flare]

That sounds good to me

Do you think I'll need 144hz?

Or at least it can push past 100

[deep skiff]

you wouldnt need it

depends on what games+settings

cause some are a lot more demanding than others

[round flare]

well I plan on playing d2 and some other games that aren't very demanding

I know d2 is the most demanding out of all I would play

So I should go for 100hz?

or is 75 ok

[deep skiff]

the 580 hits around 100fps on destiny 2 1080p ultra

if you can afford 144hz, i would go with it so you wouldnt have to get a new monitor later

[round flare]

wow

That sounds super nice actually

Yeah I found a good deal on a 144hz

130 with freesync 24 inch

1ms

that sounds pretty good right unless I don't know prices

[deep skiff]

yeah thats a good dea;

deal

[round flare]

Dell is reliable correct?

[deep skiff]

yea

[round flare]

Nice

[deep skiff]

im just waiting for them to restock the px275h

[round flare]

I saw an acer with the same specs up for 160 but that would be sorta out of my budget

I don't know what that is but I'm sure it's cool

[deep skiff]

its a 1440p monitor

im stuck on a 1680x1050 monitor from 10 years ago rn

[round flare]

Ah

The one I found is 1080p if you want a link

[deep skiff]

im just waiting for it to be in stock