building-and-recc-chat

[severe condor]

thank you

[frigid edge]

Yup

V6 is better than most others cause its fans are 2000 rpm instead of 1600

[mental hazel]

tbf though just save the $50 and buy yourself a nice dinner

won't make a difference on a 5700x

[frigid edge]

but... it look cooler

and IS cooler

[severe condor]

youre saying cooling a 5700x is pointless because it does overheat much?

or i mean cooling for it

[frigid edge]

no every cpu needs a cooling method

the 5700x only uses 65 watts tho

so an aio is kind of overkill

getting an aio is good for future proofing in case you buy an even beefier cpu in the future

[mental hazel]

saying to save the money on the AIO and get the cheep Peerless Assassin

unless you like the look of the AIO a lot more

[severe condor]

whats easier to install

[frigid edge]

A single fan tower is easiest, id say an aio is second easiest and a dual fan tower is most difficult

[severe condor]

my Ryzen 5 3600XT has had just default cooling for last 6 years and hasnt caused too many issues

[frigid edge]

trust me when I say it may have been running ok but with a 95w power consumption it was running pretty toasty

[severe condor]

i think all this will be paid off by my employer and if i go over $500 by a little im technically not losing anything haha so i might just go with the $50 one

[crimson zinc]

I use a thermalright peerless assassin for my 5700x

Keeps it cool

$28

[frigid edge]

Aight bettt

[severe condor]

but i mean the thermalright peerless assasin lookss like easy install too

[crimson zinc]

It really is

Could get a fancy air cooler

Hold

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/h8vscf/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-digital-snow-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-digital-snow

This
I wanna get this myself

Still a fantastic cooler, but with a digital display:D

[severe condor]

oh shoot that is cool

ill get that thanks

[frigid edge]

a dual fan tower for the price of a 3 fan aio just cause its got a screen

[severe condor]

thats gonna be last purchase of the 3 so i have time to think

[crimson zinc]

Yolo

[frigid edge]

exactly bro thank you

[crimson zinc]

Plus aio needs replaced after 7 years

Air does not

[severe condor]

interesting

[frigid edge]

thats a pretty long time

[crimson zinc]

Air > aio/liquid

Still a limit

[severe condor]

there is civil war going on

[frigid edge]

only if the pump fails

[frigid edge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/trenches-war

[crimson zinc]

Can’t fail if you don’t have a pump

[frigid edge]

but the fan can have its bearing go out and make loud grinding noise

air isnt forever

[crimson zinc]

Replace the bearing

Cheaper than replacing the whole cooler

[mental hazel]

7 years from now your air cooler probably won't support the current socket anyway so who cares really

[crimson zinc]

@severe condor what do you think looks cooler

[frigid edge]

(a + b)/(ab) cancel out a and b so (a + b)/(ab) = +

[crimson zinc]

That’s what we will use

[frigid edge]

lol

[crimson zinc]

The aio (yuck) or the air cooler (wow)

[frigid edge]

🔥

[crimson zinc]

I just realized

I can mod abuse

[frigid edge]

HEY

[crimson zinc]

There is no aio in ba sing se

[frigid edge]

the aio (future proof and cool) or the air cooler (less cool and has screen)

[crimson zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-6037055492951935036

[frigid edge]

LOL

[stoic island]

idk about future proof lmao

[frigid edge]

more future proof than an air cooler

[crimson zinc]

Nah

[frigid edge]

and we're talking future cpu upgrades

[stoic island]

block of heatsink will not fail for many times the lifespan of a pump

[crimson zinc]

Most airs come with multiple brackets and are universal

[frigid edge]

again, at the time the pump fails you're already gonna replace everything

[crimson zinc]

My peerless works on am5, am4, lga 1100 and 1700

[stoic island]

either way longevity is not an advantage of aios

[frigid edge]

so does aio

[stoic island]

cooling capability is an advantage of an AIO

[crimson zinc]

So that point is moot

[frigid edge]

moot you mean

and yes it is

[crimson zinc]

The cooling advantage is debatable. Most people will not NEED the cooling of an AIO compared to an air cooler

[frigid edge]

@fallen sphinx@mental hazel the aio army needs reinforcements bro

[crimson zinc]

It’s negligible

Cuz you’re LOSING

[stoic island]

It's still an advantage, whether you need it or not. I'd still argue most of the time you don't need it

[frigid edge]

but not only is it cooler, its also cooler

[frigid edge]

mods abuseeee

[crimson zinc]

Mpreg

@severe condor I promise this is an average conversation here

[stoic island]

I disagree for that being a factor in terms of actual use

[frigid edge]

if an air cooler is the same price as an aio, get the aio

[crimson zinc]

Get the air cooler, you’ll be fine
You liked the looks and it’s a little cheaper

[stoic island]

5 minutes more of heat capacity is not going to make a difference when you're actually using your PC

[frigid edge]

actually your air cooler is more expensive than a V6

[severe condor]

they both look cool haha. i like that the smaller thing is easier to install really. Thats the biggest thing

[crimson zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-6037055492951935036

[crimson zinc]

Air cooler

[frigid edge]

aio easier trust

[stoic island]

AIOs are not a bad choice in general

[frigid edge]

and more bragging rights

[crimson zinc]

Nah, cuz then the radiator exists
More thing to install

He wants smaller

[frigid edge]

its so easy tho

[crimson zinc]

So air cooler

[frigid edge]

just screw in the top

[crimson zinc]

Don’t matter, you’ve been mpregged

[stoic island]

ngl I'd say AIOs are harder to install, it's annoying to get the radiator screwed in if you already have the pump installed, and it's annoying to get the pump installed if you already have the radiator screwed in

[frigid edge]

so have you

exactly

[crimson zinc]

Debatable

This whole conversation is debatable lmao

[stoic island]

the main annoyance is the positioning, you have to be holding your motherboard up while you get the radiator screwed in, while air cooler you can install and test out of case and just drop it in

[crimson zinc]

I think we should get back to what @severe condor wants

[stoic island]

AIOs are not flat out better, nor are air coolers

[crimson zinc]

You want the smaller thing, easier to install.
You don’t mind either, and the cost is about equal.

[frigid edge]

exactly

[crimson zinc]

I suggest the https://pcpartpicker.com/product/h8vscf/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-digital-snow-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-digital-snow

due to the size and the desire

[frigid edge]

do not buy the air cooler with the screen

[frigid edge]

no bro

[crimson zinc]

And the screen

YES

[frigid edge]

at that price get AIO

[crimson zinc]

SCREEN

[frigid edge]

NOOO

NO SCREEN

[crimson zinc]

THE SCREEEEEEEEN

[stoic island]

screen funny

[crimson zinc]

YEAH screen funny

He isn’t paying for it

Needs to fill the rest somehow

So
Screen

[frigid edge]

Even this would be fine bro https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9Gstt6/thermalright-assassin-king-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ak120-se-argb-d6

[severe condor]

yea i have like $50 budget now for cooling

thatss not my money technically

[frigid edge]

5700x is only 65w

[fickle bolt]

WHO IN THE LORDS NAME IS BUYING AN $100 AIR COOLER BECAUSE IT HAS A SCREEN

[frigid edge]

50 dollar air cooler vs 50 dollar aio

[stoic island]

you can also get a 240mm frozen warframe for ~50 with a screen too lol

[crimson zinc]

ITS $49

[frigid edge]

SO IS AIO

[fickle bolt]

Aio

Bruh

[crimson zinc]

IM GONNA MPREG YOU ALL

[frigid edge]

WHOA BROE

[crimson zinc]

Not that kind of Mpreg

[fickle bolt]

Only thing worse value you could get is a noc tua cooler

[crimson zinc]

Adding an emoji

[stoic island]

can't do it to me if I have this button smh

[frigid edge]

Fr

[severe condor]

the default fan that comes with the cpu is annoying enough to install haha

[mental hazel]

i'm on a custom loop, i look down upon AIO plebs

[frigid edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219357761947701319/1487178406859772045/behead_him.gif

[frigid edge]

Aio easier and it looks better and is better fr

[mental hazel]

i prefer the look of custom loop, but my goodness is AIO easier haha

[stoic island]

im going to look down upon you for your choices

[mental hazel]

i would go for an air cooler in this case though since he's building a low power AM4 system

PA120se is sometimes as low as $15-20 is you catch it open box on amazon

[frigid edge]

this day shall go down in history as the Great CPU Cooler Civil War of 3/31/2026

[mental hazel]

who will be laughing when i take my delidded 290k+ to 5.8ghz? not you!

[frigid edge]

bro almost spoke like an anime girl

[stoic island]

I will be laughing using my completely stock 13600k and enjoying my day

[mental hazel]

so much performance left on the table 😔 but raptor lake melts, so probably just as well

[stoic island]

just one more microcode update will fix it

[fickle bolt]

-# ||i wish i had an anime girl as a wife||

[frigid edge]

Hes already married bro

[fickle bolt]

I'm not

[frigid edge]

No roomba is

speed laugh

[fickle bolt]

Ik

[mental hazel]

who was the fella with the nude slime girls as his banner for a while?

that's the guy who wants the anime girl

[frigid edge]

Mahiro Oyama

lol

that was pretty sus

[fickle bolt]

💀

[wide sparrow]

hey wegg, guesstimate how much a used 5800x3d+ ASUS x570 wifi mobo+ 4*8 3200 32gb would sell nowadays .

[mental hazel]

5800x3d seems to go for almost $500 alone on ebay which is insane... 32GB of DDR4 might be like $100-150, and the x570 honestly like $80 max probs

still a decent chunk of change tho

[wide sparrow]

[crimson zinc]

32gb can go up to like $200 if it’s a good kit

[wide sparrow]

its uuuugghh.....vengeance pro ram

[mental hazel]

5800x3D carries, if you sold the whole platform you could get a 265kf or even 270k, z890, and 32GB of DDR5 for that lol

[crimson zinc]

Yeah that 5800x3d is gonn make up your majority cost

[mental hazel]

assuming you get market value for the gear you sell anyway

(mainly the CPU)

[crimson zinc]

Maybe like $700 total

[wide sparrow]

i see

enough to get a 9850x3d bundle

thanks, guys

[golden echo]

guys this is my current planned build, good?

[frigid edge]

yeah thats a nice build but change the psu to a montech century II 850w, better value

for same price

[mental hazel]

refurb GF1 on amazon for $70!

[weary galleon]

Ram is also overpriced no?

There's this which you might be able to tighten timings on

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TQjRsY/crucial-pro-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl38-memory-cp2k16g64c38u5b

or this which is just better

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xVy8TW/crucial-pro-overclocking-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-cp2k16g64c32u5b

[mental hazel]

ebay M/A die is like $220!

[weary galleon]

Oh wait the first kit is 6400 not 6000

Depending on price 7600x3d could be worth it but otherwise solid

[golden echo]

the cpu, ram, and mobo are in a micro center bundle for 400$ so its gonna be alot cheaper (only 16gb tho)

[mental hazel]

especially on ryzen you'd be running like 6000mb/s so you can just plug and play basic Hynix settings and let it rip

Arrowlake benefits from more love and care

Zen 4/5 are brutal architectures built on pain and anguish and limited memory bandwidth. capable of withstanding even the shoddiest of memory setups. Arrowlake is a delicate work of art that falters and fades when it is not given the memory it desires

[golden echo]

L3 cache tho

[mental hazel]

if you can find a deal on the 7600x3D, just get a used motherboard for $80 to split the difference. throw on cheap ebay A/M die, and you're getting really compelling value. as long as the CPU is a good price anyway

spend extra on fancy cpu, save a ton on board and ram... makes sense to me

esp since those used boards are pretty good if you shop around, and hynix ram is always gonna do hynix ram things

[golden echo]

when will ram go back down

[mental hazel]

probably mid to late 2027 if i had to guess

really depends on how long it takes openai to go under

[twilit pewter]

ive heard it is decreasing, but that was from zach tech tips lol

[icy hull]

It's not really going down. It has leveled off and stabilized over the last month+ and some of the hopeful listings at $500+ for a 2x16 have gotten more realistic. If you were looking at the cheapest available reasonable option that's been pretty steady. Clickbaiters gonna clickbait though.

[twilit pewter]

i bought my ram for 100 dollars, it was cl 30, 32gb and now that same kit is like... 600?

[icy hull]

Not much point looking at 'same kit' imo. Most people buy stuff that was on sale at the time they were buying, better to look at same specs. One of my friends was buying in October and ended up wit dominator platinum because it was the cheapest thing still in stock. The one I'm using isn't made any more. Typical prices have gone up about 4-5x since September on 2x16 ddr5. From $80-90 for a decent kit to over $300 and more like $400 if you don't want to put a bit of effort in, aren't in the market for anything else to use a bundle or want hynix.

[twilit pewter]

well doesnt same kit imply the same specs? I guess Im lost in what you're trying to say

But I support it

[snow dragon]

Meant the same exact one

Which is a good point since things are always moving around

But the one that I bought has been around for some time and its pricing was always pretty good, so I still look at the one that I bought anyways

[snow dragon]

ztt is a silly guy

like overall

[icy hull]

By specs I meant the capacity (GB), frequency, timings, voltage and ICs or binning if someone is into custom overclocking. A lot of people would just buy the cheapest 6000 cl 30 kit or maybe they favor one brand or don't like another brand or they want white or argb rather than plain but don't care about brand. If kit A used to be $80 and kit B used to be $90 then you could really just get whichever one you liked better, but if kit A is $350 now and a functionally the same kit B is $550 because prices are so volatile then that makes kit A look a lot better and kit B look really overpriced.

[fickle bolt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q3vhyF what yall think of this build for me dad

[icy hull]

What's it for?

[fickle bolt]

Work

Adobe suite, Gerber omega, affinity, and approximately 800 billion chrome tabs(i counted)

He needs the 64gb

[icy hull]

That's more photoshop than premiere/aftereffects right?

[fickle bolt]

Yeah

Illustrator even more than that actually

He does a looooot of graphic design

[mental hazel]

if it needs a boatload of CPU why not 270k?

[icy hull]

9700x is pretty reasonable choice then. Cooler is really overkill for it. The nv3 kind of sucks, you can get a p310 for $150 but something actually better is more like $180+ and I'd probably just get a 2tb at that point.

[fickle bolt]

He requested amd specifically

[mental hazel]

hm, any reason?

[icy hull]

Amd is actually a bit faster for photoshop, not sure about illustrator.

[mental hazel]

just buy a Ryzen sticker for $5 on ebay and put it on the case

he'll never know

[fickle bolt]

Nah he's almost as technical as I am

[mental hazel]

is this the case for ARL? i thought they picked up a lot of gains for some reason

[fickle bolt]

We're both GIGANTIC nerds

[snow dragon]

In photoshop ryzen is somehow faster

I have no idea why

[mental hazel]

seems that 270k is significantly faster

[fickle bolt]

Illustrator and photoshop are almost identical, having used both

[snow dragon]

Interesting

I saw the opposite

I guess it depends on the test

[icy hull]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/intel-core-ultra-200s-plus-content-creation-review/#Graphic_Design_Adobe_Photoshop

[snow dragon]

Yeah it was in puget where ryzen leads

[mental hazel]

hmm, interesting

[fickle bolt]

Isn't the 270k like $400 tho

[mental hazel]

i don't use photoshop idk

[icy hull]

$300-350

[mental hazel]

$300 msrp, more like $320 at this point tho

you get a lot more CPU tho

[icy hull]

You get a much nicer board for the money but that might not be relevant.

[mental hazel]

24 cores 🤤

[mental hazel]

that too, way better io on z890

[fickle bolt]

$330 lowest on pcpp and out of stock literally everywhere

💀

[mental hazel]

it was just in stock on newegg at $320 earlier

i almost bought another before remembering that i'm poor

[fickle bolt]

😭

[mental hazel]

seems to restock frequently but either way

[snow dragon]

In fact even in other productivity loads, it isn’t as fast as you would think. I saw hub review the 250 vs 9600x and it was 7% faster in the premiere test he ran compared to ryzen, despite it being like 80% faster in cinebench or however much it was

It looks like the gains you get are all over the place really

Inconsistent numbers

[fickle bolt]

I mean atp basically anythings gonna be better for him than that laptop that is being held together by string and paint by now

[snow dragon]

It depends on how the workloads utilize it

[snow dragon]

[icy hull]

Intel gives you a lot of extra cores for cpu encoding and quicksync. It's a much less fair fight against a 9600x in premiere with those benefits.

[snow dragon]

Do people actually do cpu encoding though

[mental hazel]

lacking hyperthreading has interesting implications for modern software. when the cores are used properly it chews through work

[fickle bolt]

Regardless a 9700X will work fine for the $2000 budget that mandates 64gb ddr5

[icy hull]

You get the best quality with cpu encoding and you get zoom zoom get it done fast with quicksync.

[mental hazel]

yeah still a great CPU either way. i'm just an arrowlake enthusiast is all

[fickle bolt]

Lol same

[mental hazel]

hmm, consider this though

[snow dragon]

[icy hull]

I didn't need a cpu but I almost bought a 265k and z890 last summer when they were stupid cheap and with bundel deals.

[mental hazel]

$250 265kf. turn on 200s boost and it'll be as fast or faster than 270k in most of those tests since they don't use all of the E cores anyway

[fickle bolt]

Hmm

[mental hazel]

i got two of them for $220 each with $100 z890 boards. my fiancé and brother in law have them now

[fickle bolt]

Whats the 265-non kf going for rn

[mental hazel]

$250 brand new

[fickle bolt]

Lemme see sm real quick 1s

[mental hazel]

or $237 like new on amazon

but probs spend $13 for the box

helps resale value

[icy hull]

It was like $280 - $50 bundle discount, -$50 on a pretty good board in the $150-200 range, + free ssd or cooler, + multiple free games.

[mental hazel]

yah, one of those $220 265kf's that i bought came with a free 240mm aio, and both came with a free game

ridiculous deal

all of the Arc's i bought at the same time also had that same free game bundle, iirc i may still have one unclaimed?

[snow dragon]

True they had some good picks for their free games

On top of it being more than one as well

Think it was like 3

[mental hazel]

one of four options iirc

that's how mine worked anyway

[fickle bolt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xqy3bp how does this look

[snow dragon]

Oh ok

One of them was bf6, that I do properly remember

[mental hazel]

newegg 265k is $25 less, and i would probably go with an open box z890 for less

[mental hazel]

yep, and civ7

[snow dragon]

The 9600x I got last year had a mh wilds code but that game is shit

Actual npc trash

[mental hazel]

$110 after shipping

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-z890-pro-rs-atx-motherboard-intel-z890-lga-1851/p/N82E16813162176R?

[snow dragon]

Monster slop wilds

[mental hazel]

i have this board, it's not premium but still solid

[icy hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f4vhyF I'm assuming the 4000d rs argb was because it's slightly cheaper than the plain one so I put another good plain cheap case. If you're going to get an upgraded model for a better cooler might as well get a mercury instead of a 3 fan swift for the same price. The msi psu is really good but the fan kind of sucks and it's on even at idle.
https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/2356/

[fickle bolt]

Its under $2k and he said he liked it

[snow dragon]

I couldn’t get rid of the code so I made a new steam account for it, planning to sell it or something, but I never did

[mental hazel]

if he benefits from a GPU too, the savings from the open box board and going with the 265kf would stretch him another $100 for an open box 9070 over the 9060 xt. just a thought

[snow dragon]

Oh an account is $30

Shieet

[fickle bolt]

Not that I know of

[fickle bolt]

Aio supremacy household fr

[surreal sable]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yvB4qd wondering if I could extend the connection of my Lian li motherboard connector using the existing power supply motherboard connector because the end of the main Power supply cable splits unlike the Lian li

[icy hull]

The lf iii pro is kind of disappointing, doesn't live up to the lf ii. The montech hyperflow or pure loop 3 would be better but anything on a 9700x is overkill though so aiming for reliability/support or just getting a cheap one is probably a better idea.

[surreal sable]

Same for the GPU

[mental hazel]

saved $100 with double storage
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bVXWDw

or slightly less saved with a solid 360mm AIO and double storage
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dzxP3R

[grim smelt]

recommendation for the best quiet chassis fan?

[surreal sable]

.

[jade matrix]

Hey don’t know if this is the right channel for this but I’m looking for a white pc prebuilt under or around 1,750$ is this a good pick? Check this out on @Newegg:Hoengager Gaming PC -AMD Ryzen 5 9600X 6-Core 3.9 GHz-RX 9060 XT 16GB-32GB DDR5 RAM-1TB PCIe+1TB SATA SSD-360 Liquid Cooler -WIFI & BT-850W PSU -ARGB Fans-Windows 11 prebuilt Gaming Desktop PC-White https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-003E-00WJ3?Item=9SIB11NKP67237&tpk=1

[mental hazel]

this gets you a much faster GPU (around 70%) and costs less

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-003E-00YN3?

only downside is 16GB of ram instead of 32, but you can upgrade that super easily once RAM prices come down, or pick up some $200 A/M die on ebay and pay just slightly more than the original prebuilt you linked, but have a wildly faster video card

could also get this for the same price, and it has 32GB with the same rx 9070 GPU that smokes the 9060 xt. you get a 7700 instead of a 9600x, which is very slighly weaker in games, but you also get an 8 core over a 6 so it's kind of a wash imo. i'd prefer more cores with the tiny gaming performance gap personally

https://www.newegg.com/skytech-gaming-desktop-pcs-amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-amd-ryzen-7-7700-32gb-ddr5-1tb-nvme-ssd-st-arch4-2098-w-al-white/p/3D5-000Z-002W5?

@jade matrix

[weary galleon]

...the 9070xt is not 70% faster than the 9060xt

More like 40% iirc

[violet heath]

Anyone know Segotep BEACED 360 ARGB

[analog hearth]

I've heard of Segotep but I'm not familiar with their specific products. Someone else might know about it though

[violet heath]

Oh yup

It’s my AIO

It’s weird tho

Says pump life is 40k hours and radiator life is 30k? How the hell does that work

https://www.segotep.com/EN/home/product?id=589

how good is it? 132ish NZD - 72 USD

[mental hazel]

65% at 4k

[weary galleon]

Source?

[mental hazel]

techpowerup

[weary galleon]

They're both 16gb

[mental hazel]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9060-xt-pulse-oc/33.html

[mental hazel]

yah

same in the test

[snow dragon]

Yeah the gap is pretty massive

Would be nice if 9070 gre was global to fill in

[mental hazel]

Navi 44 doesn't scale as well as 48 for whatever reason

[snow dragon]

Id say it does if doubling the core count nets a 65% gain

It’s just that the sku is kinda small

It does clock very high though to try making up for it

[mental hazel]

doubling core would be 9070 xt, which is 83% faster and only 79% larger

rdna3 for all its weirdness had basically linear scaling across the stack, which is a really wild accomplishment

[jade matrix]

Tysm!

[mental hazel]

np! lmk if you need help with anything else ^^

[teal prawn]

need help cant get lan drivers on asus x870-a

[jade matrix]

Hey, is this a good sub $3k (prefrials included) full setup? I’m very new to PCs and stuff so that’s why I’m asking the pros! Anyways I’m going for an all white build.

Soundbar: https://www.newegg.com/creative-labs-sound-blaster-gs3-soundbar/p/N82E16886112011?tpk=1&item=N82E16886112011

Mic: https://www.newegg.com/logitech-yeti-orb-black-usb-c-to-usb-a-connector/p/N82E16836121273?tpk=1&item=N82E16836121273

Monitor: https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-272qp-qd-oled-x24-27-wqhd-240-hz/p/N82E16824475535?tpk=1&item=N82E16824475535

Keyboard and mouse: https://www.newegg.com/msi-vigor-gk30-white-gaming-combo-s11-04us319-cla-mecha-membrane-mechanical-keyboard/p/N82E16823167047?tpk=1&item=N82E16823167047

Display port cable: https://www.newegg.com/black-startech-6-ft-cable-connectors/p/N82E16812200205?tpk=1&item=N82E16812200205

PC (Suggested and the specs look much better than my original one): https://www.newegg.com/skytech-gaming-desktop-pcs-amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-amd-ryzen-7-7700-32gb-ddr5-1tb-nvme-ssd-st-arch4-2098-w-al-white/p/3D5-000Z-002W5?Item=9SIA1HJKG06155&tpk=1

And then I have a mouse pad desk and gaming chair. Sorry for the bad formatting but any suggestions help a lot!!!

[weary galleon]

Keyboard and mouse are terrible at that budget

Look for a non-membrane mechanical keyboard or even hall effect

Maybe keychron or wooting

[formal girder]

Keychron,wooting, Turtle Beach, and Attack Shark for HE keyboards

[formal girder]

Some good mouse suggestions can be found from Keychron, Attack Shark, Pulsar.gg, and there’s one more I can’t remember off the top of my head

[formal girder]

Also the microphone to be honest, FiFine will be much cheaper and have great bundle options without needing additional software, just plug and play and they have various different models with different methods of connecting like USB-B, USB-C, 3.5mm aux and even XLR if you much prefer

[icy hull]

Don't buy the cable. The monitor will come with one and it will be dp 1.4 instead of 1.2

[jade matrix]

Thx for the help everyone!

[pale dust]

if you have the room id reccomend getting a stereo set of speakers rather than a soundbar

youll definitely appreciate the stereo separation for gaming, and its nice for music too

[maiden marten]

Hello, I have a R5 3600 and I am deciding to upgrade between a 5600 or 5700x. I don’t have issues with gaming but I’m tired of seeing my performance dip when I try to watch a stream or stream my game on discord. Is it worth spending the extra money. Also, I already have 32 gb of ram.

[crimson zinc]

5700x. Extra cores. Lovely. @maiden marten

[mental hazel]

9850x3d and 5090

[fickle bolt]

Wrong, radeon pro w7900d or 4090

[mental hazel]

5090 stronker

[fickle bolt]

I would deadass take a 4090 over a 5090 just because I hate nvidia and beleive that the 50 series is just a re release of the 40 series

[snow dragon]

I thought we talked about how there is more to it

[weary galleon]

They're different architecture

[snow dragon]

It’s kind of like zen 5, where the fundamental architecture changes don’t really do that much for gaming

[wary stone]

Hey im looking for a cheap gen 4 os drive for my system any recommendations

I just need it to hold my operating system and few of my essential apps

[weary galleon]

Cheap and ssd don't exactly go together rn lol

What size do you need? Just 1tb?

[wary stone]

I have a 2tb wd black m.2 850x for all my games then a 4tb 850x for my streaming/video editing my os drive sadly failed on me so im looking for a replacement

[weary galleon]

Actually just buy this, like right now
https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Internal-Heatsink-Compatible-Playstation/dp/B0C34Y8C8L

$200 for a high end 2tb is crazy rn

Shipped and sold by Amazon so I don't think it's a scam

[wary stone]

What about 512gb or 1tb tho

[weary galleon]

1tb is $130 for a terrible drive

Probably $175 for upper midrange/highend

[icy hull]

If you want cheap I'd probably just use the 2tb 850x for os and games.

[weary galleon]

Yeah that's an option too if you don't have the $200 to drop

[snow dragon]

That is great

[wary stone]

Ya my 1tb was a 990 pro finally died after 3yrs

[weary galleon]

I half wonder if it's a pricing error and they'll cancel orders

[snow dragon]

Should have lasted longer ngl

[wary stone]

No Apparently ram and storage is going down in price for a short time

[snow dragon]

I wonder if it still has warranty

[wary stone]

Cuz ai found another way to make profits

@snow dragon probably not as the the sticker fell off

[snow dragon]

[wary stone]

Uk how they are with stickers on sdds lol

[snow dragon]

There is a decrease in spot prices but that has to do with some chinese guys dumping it all on the market. They will still continue to dig themselves a hole with buying everything, even with turboquant. They'll just make bigger models instead of more efficient models

[weary galleon]

I wouldn't bet on seeing ssd deals much better than the one I sent tbh. Though you do already have a good amount of storage so you could probably just get by with that

[snow dragon]

Ideally yeah don't buy anything for now, but if you must, get that nvme

[wary stone]

I'll look at but honestly I think I only need 1tb just for the os and of few necessary applications I kinda like to keep my game library separate from my os

@snow dragon ya thankfully I sent my defective drive to a recovery and cloned it to my game drive but I still ideally like to have an separate os drive from my other mass storage drives

[wary stone]

@weary galleon indeed but I need one without pre installed heat shield

But yes that is a deal thanks regardless

[weary galleon]

I think you can just take off the heatsink

[wary stone]

Doesn't that normally void the warranty?

Ik with Samsung it does

[weary galleon]

Legally no. Sometimes if you peel off the sticker the company won't (or will try not to) honor the warranty. I'd imagine the full heatsink is different though

https://www.ifixit.com/News/74736/warranty-void-stickers-are-illegal-in-the-us-what-about-elsewhere

[wary stone]

Ok thanks

[jade matrix]

My friends in the market for a prebuilt PC and this is his “prompt”: I’m looking for a longer term pc for under 1250$ (maybe more if good deal) that can have parts replaced for future and can run pretty much any game

[mental hazel]

can he stretch his budget at all? an extra few $100 will get him something much faster that will remain relevant much longer

[jade matrix]

I’m sure he could

[mental hazel]

can he buy right now? like within the next 5 minutes? there is a used prebuilt sold and shipped by asus on Newegg rn

like a $1700 build but for $1000

i imagine it will sell cery very shortly

@jade matrix

[jade matrix]

Sorry that I’m making this hard for you but he only wants new prebuilts and can buy in maybe a bit less than a week.

[mental hazel]

no worries. was just curious because it's a ridiculously good deal

i can find something in his budget that won't be OOS in the next hour

that was just something i saw and thought was crazy haha

[jade matrix]

I appreciate the help a lot!

[zealous moth]

So heres a debate I'm having
7950X3D for 15900NTD
7900X3D for 9500NTD
9900X3D for 15000 NTD
270K plus for 12500NTD
This is for a relativly small build
Productivity such like Comprassing and transfering files (photoshop)
maybe editing
AND FINALLY Gaming
which one should I get
Mobo cost are the same

[crimson zinc]

That 7900x3d looks like the best deal

[zealous moth]

or do I wait for Nova lake maybe ?

270K plus is a RLLY good looking deal for me rn

[crimson zinc]

Up to you.

[icy hull]

Nova lake probably won't be until early next year.

[manic cloak]

I feel stupid rn

Can anyone help me install windows 10 on a fresh pc

The bios is detecting everything but the windows file itself

Nvm, it worked

The monitor just needs to be turned off and turned on after leaving bios 💔

[languid nimbus]

Well that’s a simple fix, good

[analog hearth]

This channel doesn't exist anymore
#build-pics message

[rapid radish]

I had just gotten done undervolting+underclocking it and it actually improves the clock stability by a great deal taking it down from a 5.5ghz all core to 5.2-5.3ghz at only 1.107volts stable over 3 full runs of tweaks (30 minutes at 100% load and only 88°)

^

For $469 it was an insane deal it healthily beats the ultra 9 285k even downclocked

And some preliminary it beating ryzen 9000x3d scenarios

[zealous moth]

Fr ?

[nova coyote]

Hey I'm looking to upgrade my pc of 6 years for about a year now. my current PC has been having issues for several years whether it be my bluetooth just disabling itself whenever I turn my pc on resulting me having to turn off my pc and then flipping the psu switch to get it to work again, my pc crashes with my display black screening but still running while playing games, or just the random times my keyboard, mouse, and headset just become disabled and I'd have to restart my pc to get it to work again.

My current build is a:

GIGABYTE B550 AORUS Master MOBO
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X CPU
GIGABYTE AORUS GeForce RTX 3070 MASTER 8GB GPU
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2x8GB) x2 RAM

Any help with the build i'm trying to make would be greatly appreciated, this is for a gaming rig mostly, the link for parts is something I just kinda put together as a baseline any tweaks and additional input are welcome
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JkpLJw

[analog hearth]

It's a joke

Because heaven forbid we don't flood the other channels with tech help

[snow dragon]

That fella should just leave because we kept trying to help but brotha just don’t get it

If it was good then you wouldn’t need to ask us so many times

And since it could be better, we improved it

Ignores the cheaper lists anyway and sticks to the newegg one

My man was gonna call newegg to ask if it is good. You won’t even be able to talk to someone unless you’re able to get around the bot. It’ll actually more likely be typing to someone on the support chat instead, and that person will tell you of course, because he would want you to buy everything from them

[icy hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NdBpGk

• Kraken plus is pretty expensive, I put a few other options.
• Are there any particular features you care about in a motherboard? Usb4? Number of m.2 slots? Any other stuff like that?
• Better price on the same ram and a slight upgrade on cpu using combo builder on newegg.
• Ssd market is in shambles currently and seems to be getting even worse. This t710 is a high end gen 5 for about $100 cheaper than a 990 pro.
• If you want an upgraded model of 5080 the suprim is one of the best air cooler ones, along with the aorus master or the astral. I wouldn't pay a big premium for a gaming oc when the suprim is cheaper.
• Meshify 3 xl is fairly expensive for what you're getting, there are lots of good cases more in the $100 range.
• Super flower makes really good and reliable psus but the fan curves tend to suck so they can get loud and the fans ramp aggressively.
  https://www.newegg.com/tools/combo-builder/6675

[manic cloak]

Bought “like new” off of Amazon refurbished. See a few things wrong already 🧐

There is like particles of thermal paste everywhere on it, the only concern was just the paste inside A1

Pins are fine but god damn this person who owned it before must of played with thermal paste as putty 😭😭

[mental hazel]

my like new amazon board had some bent i/o pins and a bent fan header. i could bend them back into place, but my options were to return it or to keep it... and they took like 2 weeks to deliver it the first time so i wasn't too keen on returning. in the past they usually gave me a small $10-20 amazon credit when they screwed up like that

[manic cloak]

good to know, I just put it away cause I don’t have 2 hours to reassemble my whole build atm, I’ll definitely check it out though

Cause no way somebody returned a motherboard for only spilling thermal paste into the A1

[mental hazel]

if i may ask, why z790 in the big 26? did you score a really great cpu deal or smth?

[manic cloak]

Sold my z690 for the amount I got it for, I’ve had my 13600k

I bought ddr5 before the big ram rise off of woot for $50

So it’s just been an itch to upgrade & I found it perfect honestly, abusing the market prices

Like I’ve slowly upgraded from my original 2022 build to the point it’s now only the CPU, PSU and case is the only thing original, sell the part & either make a small investment or find a deal breaker

If I sold my ram for $150 which is may be impossible tbh, I would make the money back for the ddr5 and when I bought ram in Dec of 2022

Eventually I’ll upgrade to AM5/6 or LGA xxxx and I’m sure selling a z790 on Ddr5 is way better than a z690 on ddr4 for marketplace

[mental hazel]

fair enough. i thought maybe you were going for a fresh build on the explody platform lol

[mental hazel]

invest in ebay Hynix A die

it's like $220 for 32GB

and it's A die so it'll overclock to whatever your motherboard limits are

[manic cloak]

I think I already have Hynix A Die 🧍

[mental hazel]

oh hype

[manic cloak]

G skill X5 6000cl30 32Gb

[mental hazel]

could also be M die, but on LGA1700 may as well be the same thing

high speed A die is just straight up not stable. boards cap out at 7200-7600

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LBstt6/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3038f16gx2-fx5

[mental hazel]

which is also where M die caps, so like... same thing practically lol

[manic cloak]

I have CPU-Z on my pc so once I install it later tonight, I’ll definitely check

There’s no way to check usually on the hardware itself right?

[mental hazel]

might have to remove the heatspreader to check the markings on die. iirc g skill may also include die revision in their product code on the little sticker on the kit

i forgor, it's been forever since i binned ram properly, now i just buy OEM kits with whatever die i'm after

[manic cloak]

understandable, I’ve window shopped about upgrading for so long & during “one of the worst times” to build a pc, I go for it 😭

[fickle bolt]

7 looks better than 8

[mental hazel]

270k looks better than 14900k

[fickle bolt]

True

[manic cloak]

Am I able to use a q tip and isopropyl in my ram slot?

I should be as long as I let it dry right..

[steel musk]

6600XT for $160

good or no

[mental hazel]

yeah

the pins are delicate but not so much that a q tip would damage it

just make sure to blow lint out

[manic cloak]

I kinda realized I had to backup my PC and shiz before swapping over.

😭

[mental hazel]

i've used paper towels before

[mental hazel]

just move ur drive from one board to the other tbh

[manic cloak]

I saw something about my windows key not working but then again there's the windows account so

i'm still looking into it

otherwise I have like half of the z790 assembled atm

[mental hazel]

when you go to activate windows in settings it will let you deactivate on the previous board's hwid and activate on the current one

unless it's an OEM key

if it is, you can get keys for like $7, or run a script to activate it another way

[manic cloak]

yeah I think it's an OEM key, it was a digital from windows

[mental hazel]

still, you'd just need a new key. not a fresh wipe. unless you have junk you want to clear

[manic cloak]

honestly I do & I don't

[stuck ledge]

whats the best pre built on the market rn?

[manic cloak]

You have to be kidding.

Does this mean the cooler was on too tight?

[manic cloak]

Find woot refurbished, what’s your budget though?

[stuck ledge]

1000-1500 tryna run heavy games better

[manic cloak]

ATP I would build your own, then again it’s all up to you

Don’t let the image above discourage you, that piece is 3.5 years old and hasn’t been taken care of since I first built my pc

[stuck ledge]

how much better is building your own

and i would need someone to help me pick the parts bc i dont know enough to do it right if ykwim

[manic cloak]

Of course

[manic cloak]

It depends, like you could find a deal of the century with some prebuilts (but they could be refurbished, maybe not) or if you were to buy one off the market randomly, it could be the biggest piece of crap for let’s say 1200

I assume you’re in the US right?

[stuck ledge]

yea

[manic cloak]

There’s so many videos out there on how to do it, if you literally sit down for 1-2 hours, you can figure out how to build one. Finding parts gets a little more in depth but there’s people for that

Do you live near a microcenter by chance?

[stuck ledge]

uhhh let me see

not really

2+ hours away

[manic cloak]

That’s better than a lot of people

Microcenter has amazing bundling deals, saves you a lot of money too atm for ram

By chance do you know which one you’re closest to

[stuck ledge]

in san jose

i tried using webistes for custom pc builds but always get 1600+ builds

[manic cloak]

Black or white build, RGB or no?

[stuck ledge]

preferablly white with small rgb but anything is fine tbh im not picky

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7tjV6B

Lmk if you want anything changed, the cpu ram, motherboard are a bundle at microcenter, the AIO comes free if you buy the gpu.

[stuck ledge]

no its perfect , thanks alot ill see when i can head down there

[manic cloak]

Yeah only buy the CPU set from microcenter, the 7600x3d bundle is what it’s called.

Otherwise everything else BUT the case is bought off of Newegg, and you don’t need to add the cooler into the cart, as long as the GPU is added you should be good.

[rare plover]

Why cant i post a vid wth

Thats weird

Why can a regular post vids but elite cant 😭

[lone flame]

Hello, I have a second 2TB ssd I want to install into my PC. My current storage is a single 2TB ssd which is the only storage in my entire pc. Is installing the second ssd as simple as just putting it in another m.2 slot on my motherboard? I don’t have to do anything related to where my PC boots from in bios?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah, you just add a second ssd to any of your m.2 slots available on the motherbosrd

I assume you only run one GPU, so none of the slots are disabled

The only thing you're gonna have to mess with software wise is to create a partition on your new SSD

That's fairly straightforward within windows

[lone flame]

Mk thank you, good to hear from you again foxy

[obsidian wigeon]

I always hang around here, so you'll always find me when you return to ask anything

[frigid edge]

you can make not us market lowercase

just sayibg

[rare plover]

nah they need to know

[rare plover]

better?

[frigid edge]

perfect man

people will look at you better now trust

[rare plover]

there

surely they will care

[manic cloak]

Anybody have recommendations on how to bypass “pin no longer available due to security changes on device” with no WiFi?

The drivers are nonexistent, my router is upstairs & I ain’t moving the whole setup up there at 2 am, tethering hasn’t worked unless I’ve done it wrong

I have these spare mx4200 routers, but one is OpenWrt’d and glitched atm, so internet to Ethernet isn’t working with them

[mental hazel]

it should give you the option to sign in via your microsoft account password, no?

[manic cloak]

Yeah I needed ethernet or WiFi though.

[mental hazel]

ah, truth nuke

[manic cloak]

The boards WiFi drivers were bugged, I got it plugged into ethernet atm

I’m 100% enabling WiFi tethering or whatever

[mental hazel]

yah iirc when i had this issue i lowkey just booted a different drive, grabbed my files off the original borked one, and did a fresh install

probably more efficient ways to do it tho

[manic cloak]

Cause I could of used my phone for hotspot

[mental hazel]

i cannot express how much i hate windows

[manic cloak]

Deadass it just changed to cancelling

Wtf

And yes I am hooked up to my tv 💔

Are we serious.

[fiery sable]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dmwWDw

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FSDT7VZR?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

so the Amazon listing is my sisters current computer and the list is a random build I had saved which I just removed the storage and gpu, cuz she already has a new ssd and she doesn’t do anything crazy so I think her current gpu should be fine but I want another opinion

I was thinking about keeping the case, but i have no idea what size it is

[crimson zinc]

STGAUBRON introducing me to CPUs I didn’t even know existed today

I’d still suggest getting her a newer gpu.

@fiery sable What’s your budget for her upgrade?

[fiery sable]

I’m not sure, but I’d say no more than $800

[crimson zinc]

Got it. Okay with used parts? @fiery sable

[fiery sable]

Yea when I saw it, I was like wtf is this

[crimson zinc]

Used or refurbs**

[fiery sable]

Yea that’s fine with me

[fiery sable]

Yea I’m cool with those

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YcJKBv

https://ebay.us/m/6XQ4uy

@fiery sable There you go

[fiery sable]

Thanks! I’ll send this her way and see what she thinks.

[crimson zinc]

The gpu should last her a while.
Lot of the other stuff is similar/better quality for cheaper.

You do not need that cooler you put in there. That’s overkill for an already cooler cpu.

[fiery sable]

Nice, oh lol yea I kinda just threw that in there

[crimson zinc]

All good lmao
If you need anything else, just shoot me an @

[fiery sable]

Will do, thanks again

[steel musk]

need to help someone out with getting the rest of the parts for a pc but no idea what to suggest

they didn't really give me an exact budget. they initially said like $500-$600, but every time i suggest something they don't want it because "im broke" (for reference, i suggested a 3060 for $200)

they need a CPU (and maybe a cooler if not included), SSD, and a GPU pretty sure. they already have the case, ram, and motherboard

[icy hull]

Would be best to start with finding out what specifically they are upgrading from and what games they like.

[steel musk]

it isn't really an upgrade, it's more like a new PC

and they just want something that would run any modern title

they sent me a listing of a 6600XT on FB Marketplace for like $160 and I said it was good, so might have the GPU covered

[icy hull]

They bought a motherboard before picking out a CPU? That's what made it sound like an upgrade.

[steel musk]

i know right

but they did buy ram before ai started, 32gb

It's an AM4 motherboard

They did suggest a Ryzen 5 5500 and I said yes to that too, but don't know what price of that is

[icy hull]

For something cheap and new the 5500 probably. The 5600 prices suck now it's like $150 or more.

[steel musk]

what about an SSD

2TB is really out of the question because of its price so it's really 1TB

[icy hull]

Maybe a p40 lite or a used one. I'm not really a big fan of used ssds but the prices now are really bad. Best buy restocks some samsung refurbs pretty regularly.

Something actually decent quality and 1tb is pushing $200 now.

[violet heath]

Guys I have a am4 board I tested with a Athlon am4 cpu and nothing words I tried turning on many times and nothing but I swapped to r5 3600 and it worked straight away, I notice now the Athlon has 2 burnt pins but I've never seen before is this from new board? Surely not if it wouldn't power up right there was no heat to cpu either

Just now worried r5 3600 may do it

IT boots bios fine w 3600

[frigid edge]

is it a b550 and what athlon

[icy hull]

Did it work before on that board? If not, what board and bios version?

[frigid edge]

ah the classic ask a question and run away from phone

[wide sparrow]

Hm

[mental hazel]

there is a 1tb pny gen 5 drive for $160 rn. just snagged one

pretty crappy price for the capacity, but if i'm going to pay the same amount for a gen 3/4 drive... might as well get something wicked fast for the hell of it

[split cliff]

I’m selling my PC (Almosf 2 years of normal use), how much should I price it at?

• AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor
• ASRock X670E Steel Legend ATX AM5 Motherboard
• Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT 65.57 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
• G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 48 GB (2 x 24 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory
• TEAMGROUP Cardea Zero Z440 Graphene 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
• XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card
• Phanteks NV7 ATX Full Tower Case
• Phanteks AMP v2 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
• A bunch of Phanteks D30-120 64.3 CFM 120 mm Fans

[languid nimbus]

I’ll give you $60

[cursive wharf]

Pretty much whatever is local price of second hand market. Sometimes things are close to actual market value and sometimes they are wayyy higher.

[surreal sable]

yo https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yvB4qd this is my build, just started playing a week ago and I've started seeing glitches on my screenm showing long skinny rectangles and lines showing up every 30 mins or so

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Deco-Gear-39-Curved-Ultrawide-Gaming-Monitor-2560x1440-1ms-MPRT-165-Hz-16-9-HDR400-4000-1/512492784

my current monitor

when I open games too, I see this shadow glitch lining on random open applications too

wondering if it's my monitor or power supply?

[obsidian wigeon]

Oof

That can be a lot of things

But firstly, verify the display cable's condition

[surreal sable]

Direct port cable is new too as well

[obsidian wigeon]

If swapping cables and/or ports on the gpu doesn't solve the issue

You will want to run a tool called DDU to completely uninstall gpu drivers, of which then you will be reinstalling your gpu drivers again after the fact

It can be safely obtained from techpowerup or guru3d

[surreal sable]

bet

[stoic island]

The monitor seems pretty iffy, any chance you could get an old monitor or borrow a monitor to test with?

[surreal sable]

Nvm, forgot I sold my last one

I'm thinking it's the monitor

[stoic island]

DDU is worth trying anyways but I'd lean towards it being a monitor issue

[surreal sable]

Yeah atm finished uninstalling drivers n trying to get outta safe mode

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah I agree tho, can be the monitor with how it looks

[surreal sable]

still experiencing the same problem after DDU

buying a new monitor

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pGXMnQ/acer-predator-x39-390-3440-x-1440-240-hz-curved-monitor-umtxxaa001

most likely getting this one

[manic cloak]

what was your old monitor?

wait nvm, I didn't see the link below ☠️

[mental hazel]

if you don't need an ultrawide that certified refurb 27inch OLED in #tech-deals is really quite excellent

i got one for my brother in law and it looks just as good as my higher end model i got on black friday

once you get past the cheap bandy panels oled is all mostly the same i find lol

[weary galleon]

He requested ultrawide in a different channel

[mental hazel]

@elder loom weird p0rn advertisement creature

[coarse obsidian]

what cpu should I be looking for to pair with an arc b570 on the intel platform? been looking at the 5600 on used marketplace

[mental hazel]

depends on your budget. 5600 is probably about as slow as I would go. my b580 ran games fine on my 5800x, did slow down a little bit vs my 7800x3d or 265kf in really CPU heavy loads though

[coarse obsidian]

I was looking at around 150ish

I had found an amazing deal the other day but couldnt get it because I dont get paid until this week
Ryzen 5800x
32ngbs ram
asus strix mobo
and an aio for 400

[frigid edge]

did bro ever sell that cpu motherboard ram combo

after dropping off the face of the Internet

[mental hazel]

i got really sick and kicked out twice. pretty sure it got lost in the sauce

but i'm happy and healthy now so we ball

[frigid edge]

kicked out?

[mental hazel]

yah. my mum is definitely unmedicated probably bipolar so she gets... interesting

[frigid edge]

yikes

don’t tell me you actually lost those parts

[mental hazel]

i was able to rescue my main desktop and my oled but that's pretty much it. i had most of my collectables (the Arcs and some boxes) already in the trunk of my car because i figured i'd have to dip soon ish, so those were safe

but my big box of junk with all of my fans, soldering bits and bobs, stock coolers, heatsinks, spare dram, etc. was lost, plus the WIP projects i had going

i swiped my DDR5 on the way out bc it's like $500 and fits in my pocket lel

[frigid edge]

dawg you gotta sneak back and reclaim it 🙏

[mental hazel]

well she's currently under investigation for fleeing the scene of a car accident, and my detective work suggests probably the reason she hasn't settled is because it's also a DUI (her attorney specializes in it and has been filing for discovery for the last three months), so i'm reaching out to the DA to see if i can help. bc she definitely had a drinking problem over the last couple years

main thing i'm hoping to get out of it is an avenue to file for partial custody of my siblings (oldest of the three is 11 :/)

[mental hazel]

for cpu only or for whole setup? if you don't already have AM4 gear i'd probably get a cheap used z690/b660 board and go for a used 12/13/14th gen CPU

should be notably faster and cost about the same

[coarse obsidian]

whole setup

[mental hazel]

if you can get a 5800x, board, ram, and cooler for $150 just do that

[coarse obsidian]

only thing im worried about is upgradeability and the fact I dont know much about intel cpus

[frigid edge]

good luck with that

[frigid edge]

am4 has great upgradability

[coarse obsidian]

exactly

[mental hazel]

AM4 won't upgrade beyond Ryzen 5000, and LGA1700 won't upgrade beyond 14th gen. and if you're on DDR4 you can't really keep that for a next gen system either. your focus should be on maximizing current value, not future value, because pretty much none of what you can afford will carry over to future builds anyway

[frigid edge]

except for the fact that there’s like one better option above the 5800x so you should get intel instead

14th gen is much more powerful than 5000 series

[mental hazel]

LGA1700 will get you a faster CPU now, and technically you can upgrade to somewhat faster CPUs, but kinda iffy if it would even be worth it. i'd argue it would make more sense to hang on to whatever you buy until you can upgrade to a 'current gen' CPU (whatever that is at the time) when you feel the need

[frigid edge]

A nice am5 platform

[coarse obsidian]

So if I just have the gpu, I should just go with intel?

[mental hazel]

$150 gets you a board and a cooler for am5

[frigid edge]

I meannnnn Intel cpu and gpu is kinda goated

[coarse obsidian]

see that would be nice except for the fact that would take months and I dont really need am5 for me rn

[frigid edge]

Full team blue

[mental hazel]

i would argue yes

[coarse obsidian]

any recs for cpus 150 or less?

[frigid edge]

I myself have the i5-13400f and Arc B580

[mental hazel]

to clarify though... you need a board, cpu, cooler, and ram for $150? or is the $150 just for part of that?

[coarse obsidian]

nuuu, that person was selling those for 400

[mental hazel]

12600k, maybe a 13600k if you're lucky

lemme see what's available

[coarse obsidian]

okay

[mental hazel]

cool, so $400 for full setup. one sec

do you already have ram you can reuse or are we getting new ram too?

[coarse obsidian]

not new but yes

this is my first pc

near me I can get 16gb 3200 for less than 100

[frigid edge]

everyone can

in America

[frigid edge]

If the 12600kf or 13600kf are cheaper get those

[mental hazel]

yah, was going to check

[frigid edge]

what do you think about the 250k and 270k

?

Not for her but in general

[mental hazel]

lol, z690 boards are the same price as b660's on ebay

[frigid edge]

In good or bad sense

[coarse obsidian]

is their a cheatsheat for intel cpus? like comparability to amd?

[mental hazel]

cinema, i really like my 270k. 250k is a neat option, i'd have to try disabling some cores on my 270k to see if i notice a difference with fewer P cores. i suspect prooobably not? a lot of my games just use my E cores anyway so as long as game thread is on a P core it's probably fine

[coarse obsidian]

also have to go to work so ping me so I can come back to this

[frigid edge]

We are the cheat sheet 🔥

[frigid edge]

of course bro has one

[mental hazel]

my only gripe is that now the $220 265kf deals are gone lol. if you have a Z series board that was way better value than even the K+ CPUs, bc it was the same silicon, so you just manually set D2D, NGU, and Ring, and boom, 270k with 4 fewer E cores for $220

i bought two of those at that price before i got my 270k. my fiance and soon brother in law got them haha

but with those deals going away I really like both of the K+ CPUs

[frigid edge]

Especially the 250kf I think was 190 and came with a free 750w psu

[mental hazel]

yeah that was a crazy good deal

for a while 265kf was available new in box for $250 with a 240mm aio and a free game

if you wanted one of the games available that was even better imo

bc practically $190 CPU (if you were gonn buy the game anyway) with a free cooler

i think those are gone now too

[frigid edge]

It’s still up this time it’s the 250k and an Asrock psu instead of rosewill

Dude I wanna buy so badly

But my current sell pc ain’t sold yet

13400f is just lacking…

[mental hazel]

@coarse obsidian 12600kf + gigabyte b660, 32GB DDR4 3200, and a 360mm aio (was only $20 more than pa120/se, but that's also a super great option if you wanna save the $20)

board - $80
https://ebay.us/m/kqEXab
cpu - $145
https://ebay.us/m/KBY1oW
dram - $107
https://ebay.us/m/YxkaUO
cooler - $55
https://a.co/d/0cB89cJr

should be a bit stronger than a 5800x, and you can upgrade to 13/14 gen

should be $387 when all is said and done

[icy hull]

That's less than a 10% discount from the new in box with waranty price on the cpu. It's $160 on amazon or $170 on newegg and comes with a 750W budget psu included there if that is needed.

[weary galleon]

Ram sold already

Guess I need to put mine on ebay instead of fbm

Ohhh it was 2x16 not 2x8 lol

[coarse obsidian]

youre awesome

so what cpus could I go with? like min and recommended?

[coarse obsidian]

what about xt?

I have someone selling 32gb 3600 and Ryzen 9 5900x for 450 together, is good deal?

[icy hull]

Not really. If you're just gaming then going past an 8 core with a ryzen doesn't really do anything. 5800x and 5800xt and 5700x are all basically the same cpu.

[mental hazel]

same CPU really. xt has 100mhz extra boost clock, doesn't affect performance meaningfullyp

[mental hazel]

5900x will be slower than 5800x in games

[coarse obsidian]

oki

[mental hazel]

gets you more multithreading if you're doing video editing or professional apps tho

but 12600k isn't much slower than 5900x for those

and much faster in games than 5900x

and a bit faster than 5800x/xt

[coarse obsidian]

Okayd

so what around should I look for like naming wise? I dunno the way intel does it

and yeah i would just be gaming rn

[mental hazel]

i linked you to a set of parts for your budget. you might save like $20 or smth if you dealhunt but realistically everything listed is right at or below market price at the minute

[coarse obsidian]

okay, and what the difference between k and kf cpu?

[mental hazel]

i think somebody said the ram sold. i'm out of the house rn but i'll find another kit when i'm back

[mental hazel]

k has an iGPU, kf doesn't

but you have a dGPU so it doesn't really matter

kf also has better average silicon quality

[coarse obsidian]

ahh okay, and from just the base cpu?

[mental hazel]

wdym

[coarse obsidian]

Like what is the difference between 12600 and 12600kf? or is 12600 not a thing

And what does the last 3 numbers dictate? I assume better performance but what specifically?

[mental hazel]

12600 doesn't have any E cores and is locked, K and KF have 4 E cores and are unlocked (can be overclocked), K has iGPU, KF has no iGPU

[coarse obsidian]

e cores?

[mental hazel]

last three numbers are their level in the product stack for that generation. higher number usually indicates more cores, but the specific SKU determines the actual specs

[mental hazel]

intel split their CPU design into two types of cores, P cores for lots of performance and high clock speed and E cores for lower performance and lower clock speed

the E cores on 12-14th gen aren't useful for games, but they can handle chrome tabs and windows updates and that sort of thing, so they're still nice to have

even for gaming, because it jusy means that your big P cores that you run your game on won't be used for other tasks as much

once you get to the core ulta CPUs the E cores can lowkey run games all on their own

they got really strong over the years

[coarse obsidian]

Ooo okay okay

Okay thanks, sorry if im asking too much

[mental hazel]

nah ur fine

[coarse obsidian]

what is the max I should pay for 32 gbs?

and anything else I should know?

[mental hazel]

i wouldn't pay more than $120, ideally closer to $100, but market is gonna do what market's gonna do

[gentle pollen]

If you can, look for D5 ram using dies/ICs (integrated controllers) from Hynix specifically A or M dies.

[coarse obsidian]

What does any of that mean?

[obsidian wigeon]

D5 ram is DDR5

And tbh, with such horrible pricing, ram is ram

I wouldn't worry about the chips on the stick

And we all wish 32gb of DDR5 is actually $100-120, but expect double that

The ram shortage is not coming down yet

[coarse obsidian]

Oh im looking at ddr4 system

[obsidian wigeon]

I wouldn't look at ddr4 with the platform you're looking to run, the performance loss you take by not running ddr5 is considerable

You'd be better off running am4 socket cpus

[coarse obsidian]

are those cpus not ddr4?

[obsidian wigeon]

12th gen intel cpus support ddr4 and ddr5

But naturally running ddr4 isn't the best choice

[icy hull]

If you're trying to not spend $300 on ram it is.

[frigid edge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-druski-gif-2006985137477142190

[obsidian wigeon]

I still wouldn't take a big perf hit tbh

[frigid edge]

Me neither

[obsidian wigeon]

AM4 is still a better choice since it's a ddr4 only platform

Running ddr4 on 12600k would make it perform like a 5700x on many games

https://www.techspot.com/review/3059-ddr5-vs-ddr4-gaming/

The techspot benchmark results however only compared the 12600K against the 7500F and 8400F, and the 12600K running ddr4 ends up being substantially slower than even the 8400F, which is the weakest AM5 cpu you could buy

Oh my bad, it's actually the 12400F here that's being tested

Disregard the 12600K comments above

Regardless though, you're looking at 20% less perf in games on average

[icy hull]

In cpu limited games.

[obsidian wigeon]

It wouldn't change my stance of going am4 imho

But at this point this is my own opinion, so take it with a grain of salt

[icy hull]

12600kf vs 5800x or similar is pretty fair in gaming. 12600kf is cheaper and with higher end in socket upgrades for however little that's worth. Looks like the newegg sale on the free psus with a bunch of different intel cpus ended today.

[obsidian wigeon]

Upgrading the CPU would mean a board swap since 13th gen and above ditched ddr4 entirely on the same socket

Wait- it still supports ddr4? That's a fact I skipped with pure assumption

[mental hazel]

they have a $400 budget, even used oem DDR5 is going to be greater than half of their totaly budget for board, cpu, ram, and cooler

they're stuck on ddr4

[mental hazel]

yah

they take a hit but it's not horrendous usually. tuned DDR4 gets pretty close to XMP DDR5 most of the time. in games actually it's a little fsster on average iirc

[obsidian wigeon]

Ah, my bad that I didn't scroll up before giving my two cents

[mental hazel]

may be mistaken on the last point, i forgor

nah, ur advice makes sense except that they're on a shoestring budget haha

[obsidian wigeon]

Fair enough

[weary galleon]

Looked it up and this seems to be true. Intel runs ddr5 in gear 2 which has a fairly significant latency penalty (bad for gaming)

[mental hazel]

AMD does too

it's not really an issue, i get sub 65ns latency on my 265kf's

[weary galleon]

I think am5 does gear 1 for ddr5

[mental hazel]

for DDR5 4000 maybe lol

[weary galleon]

Allegedly up to 6000mt/s

[mental hazel]

i'm almost certain the UCLK caps at like 2400 or something silly

because AMD has absolute crap bandwidth

because everything is desynced and the fabric is slow

UCLK =/= MCLK =/= FCLK

[weary galleon]

Seeing some people say AMD can do gear1 up to 6400mt/s

Idk if they're right though

[sharp wing]

Does it make sense to buy 16gb (2x8) of DDR5 until prices drop one day and make the upgrade to 32gb? I hardly play demanding Fps games and the only triple A title I play is “Where Winds Meet” and occasionally League but that’s more Cpu bound and doesn’t take too much to run especially since im getting a 7800x3d in this build i’m planning on putting together

[fickle bolt]

≠ son

[icy hull]

Isn't it at a 2:3:3 ratio now for ~6000 instead of the old 1:1:1? I haven't used anything am5 myself.

Iirc it's the fabric that can't get anywhere near 3000 and still craps out around 2000.

[icy hull]

Maybe. If you want to upgrade later then 1x16 is also an option if you don't have the extra $100 or so up front for a 2x16. Or maybe trim something else and get the ram. Do you have a list you're working on?

[gentle pollen]

AM5 can almost all do UCLK 3000. Some can do 3100 few can do 3200 and a very very very small sample does 3300.

@weary galleon

With AM5 you can also choose to use either G1 or G2. G1 I wouldn't expected above 6200 to work. G2 you can get into the neighborhood of 8k with some tuning and SR DIMMs.

I wish to emphasize this.

Do not buy 6400 Single Rank kit of ram for AM5 and expect it to run out of the box. Most cannot do 6400 but 6200 is pretty realistic with 6000 being basically guaranteed. Assuming G1.

@weary galleon

Also AM5 handles Dual Rank better then 14th Gen or Ultra series because it can use G1 instead of being forced to G2.

[weary galleon]

Yeah I only saw like 1-2 people making the 6400 claim so I assume they had a good kit

[gentle pollen]

Mine does 6400cl26 with GDM disabled on Dual Rank but I also have a very good sample.

[weary galleon]

Is this why 6000-6200 is the "sweet spot" for gaming on am5? Because past that it's switching to gear 2?

[gentle pollen]

Highest I've gotten to work is 6600 in G1 but that requires me to either delid or run the AC at 16c to maintain stability.

[weary galleon]

Or are most 6000/6200 kits just doing gear 2 at xmp

[gentle pollen]

Correct. Also the XMP kits are doing G1. The bios won't default to G2 unless the target frequency is really high or it fails training at G1 first.

So what happens is you end up with one of two scenarios

[weary galleon]

Sweet, learned something new

[gentle pollen]

1. You boot up 6400 G1 but it's not stable so you get random crashes

2. You boot up 6400 G2 but it performs way worse then 6000 G1

As for fCLK, just raise that to the highest stable frequency because it is completely desynced though people claim they found that by running fCLK at 2/3 of mCLK they had minor latency benefits though the bandwidth benefit outweighs any latency benefit you may get.

[gentle pollen]

@weary galleon

[weary galleon]

Interesting

[gentle pollen]

Intel overcomes this by running the memory at stupendously high clocks but because it's in G2 the performance of 8400 G2 is basically the exact same as 6400 G1 unless in a application where bandwidth is more beneficial then latency by a large margin

[weary galleon]

Typically workstation type stuff. Gaming just needs "good enough" bandwidth and then typically benefits more from latency iirc

[gentle pollen]

In G1 uCLK=mCLK 3000 is common. fCLK 2067 is fairly common as well.

[gentle pollen]

Bingo.

Exceptions to this rule being large data models and simulations.

[gentle pollen]

The biggest benefit for memory performance on AM5 is maximizing tREFI (how long before the memory needs to be refreshed) and minimizing tRFC (how fast the memory is refreshed).

Those two alone upped my memory performance by about 10%.

[mental hazel]

idk what i was remembering then. mfw i sold all my am5 gear

[mental hazel]

bandwidth or latency?

[gentle pollen]

What does mfw mean?

[gentle pollen]

Latency. Those affect how long data is stored and how quickly it tries to restore it which the later I guess could affect bandwidth. In VT3 and Karhu my speed score goes up significantly as a result.

[mental hazel]

i know what the timings are lol i've been screwing with dram since i was 13

on ARL it increases bandwidth too, but the ARL memory subsystem is just wildly better at passing data around so it makes sense

much wider pipeline

[gentle pollen]

Karhu measures in speed so I don't think it reflects bandwidth. VT3 maybe. Though I can't say for certain.

[mental hazel]

i got like 0.8ns from stock trfc/trefi but gained an extra couple GB/s in AIDA, which is an awful benchmark but sue me

i think right now my main bottleneck is that this motherboard absolutely shits the bed at >32 ngu/d2d and sometimes even at 32 if it decided to train funny

but i have a maximus in the mail so we ball

[gentle pollen]

I was getting about 310/s in Karhu FPU+Cache on my last ram tune.

that was 6400cl26 with terts and secondaries tuned with GDM on. I am working on tuning my timings on the new board at 6400cl26 with GDM off.

[mental hazel]

i'm at 8000 cl38. my board can kinda do 8400, but i error out after 20-40 minutes in testmem5 extreme

i think it's just a signal integrity thing with the BS fabric/memory training this board does

[gentle pollen]

I am on DR so G2 is a pita

[mental hazel]

bc the maximus should do 10Gb/s easily on 24Gb M die CUDIMMs, and 8400 should be totally find on regular DIMMs, ergo issue must be board

[mental hazel]

tragic

[gentle pollen]

Highest I booted was 7800 but I wasn't really trying to go for G2 since I'd need to get it to like 8400-8600 to beat G1 at 6400 with a good tune.

[mental hazel]

truth nuke

how does bandwidth scale with AM5? do you get more bandwidth but higher latency or is it just straight up worse until you get crazy high MCLK?

[gentle pollen]

Fairly linear I'd say. Higher the better. In G1 your latency is very low but in G2 you don't break even latency wise till you are like at least 8200 compared to a 6400 G1.

[mental hazel]

gotcha, so it's a bandwidth vs latency tradeoff until you simply outscale the increased latency

[gentle pollen]

bingo

[mental hazel]

i hope Zen 6's better interconnect fixes memory bandwidth

[gentle pollen]

Some reports last year were hinting at Zen6 being able to maybe do 7600 G1 but I kinda doubt it.

[mental hazel]

i don't see why not, they'll be using a new IOD and the chiplet interconnect is basically EMIB but other and more different

should be radically higher throughput with way better integrity

[coarse obsidian]

okay yes I know that, but this is a budget build and my first, im not spending that much on ram

[coarse obsidian]

not 400 totallll nuuu, it just depends honestly I can totally go more, the 400 was what that one seller had priced the gpu, mobo, cooler, and ram at

[mental hazel]

what would you like to spend and what type of experience are you looking for? also what GPU?

[coarse obsidian]

intel arc b570

I already have that

[mental hazel]

i mean i'd probably stick to budget gear with that GPU anyway

personally i wouldn't change anything

[coarse obsidian]

so im looking for a cpu that doesnt bottleneck it and go from there

[mental hazel]

if you wanted to go higher end you can get a 250k Plus with board, cooler, and DDR5 for $$550-600. but whether that's worth it depends on how long you want to keep the system

[coarse obsidian]

I mean I dont see myself updating for a few years

[mental hazel]

250K plus comes with a free PSU right now too, so if you still need a power supply that will save you some money

[coarse obsidian]

what is a 250k?

[mental hazel]

Intel CPU

[coarse obsidian]

ohhh

[mental hazel]

it's one of the ones with the really good E cores that I mentioned to you the other day

[coarse obsidian]

ohhh yeah

but I mean, why would I go that high?

especially as a starter/first pc

[mental hazel]

if you plan on keeping the system for a long while it may be worth it, as you'd be able to upgrade your GPU and keep your CPU, board, and RAM without bottlenecking too badly. but as your system currently stands you'd have a much stronger CPU than you really need

[coarse obsidian]

Also, with my graphics card what should the total budget be without any bottlenecks?

[mental hazel]

the 12600kf setup i linked you to the other day would work fine. you just wouldn't have a great upgrade path

[coarse obsidian]

I meant keeping as in not really needing to upgrade, im not looking to play every game in 1440p ultra, I am coming from a gaming laptop tbf

[coarse obsidian]

but by the time I want to upgrade I would have more options no?

[mental hazel]

i guess the way i would put it is this:

will you upgrade your GPU to something significantly faster in the next 3 years? spend more on a 250k, it will save you money in the long run

will you hold on to your current GPU for 4 or more years? just go 12600kf, you won't benefit from a bunch more CPU grunt with a GPU of that tier

[coarse obsidian]

oki I see, i mean, the arc b570 is much faster than what most pc gamers run, and from my understanding, it wont become irrelevant for a while

[mental hazel]

for current and future releases it is very entry level. but for games that are already out (barring some of the most demanding ones that have released recently) you'll have a quite excellent experience

if you mostly play online/esports games it'll last a loooong time. for AAA gaming you're mostly stuck with existing and near-future releases

[coarse obsidian]

so with that build what would the first thing to upgrade be?

Yeah, also I still havent played a good amount of the triple a games over the past few years because of school and not having an adequate system/money for one

so Its not like ill be playing black myth wukong or something

probably heavily modded minecraft, apex legends, Elden Ring, games like that

[mental hazel]

which one? if you went with the 12600kf i'd probably just start from scratch in however many years. if you go with the 250k, just upgrade GPU

[mental hazel]

12600kf will be more than enough for this

[coarse obsidian]

I mean, couldnt I upgrade to like am5 or possibly am6 and then to a new gpu? instead of just starting over, or would that be too much of a difference

ah thinking abiut it...

nevermind that was a dumb question yeah

[mental hazel]

you could go AM5 for the same price as 250k, but get a slightly weaker CPU. this would give you a cheaper upgrade path, but slower CPU in the short term

would still be $600-650 though, and no free PSU

[mental hazel]

the alternative would be like a 7500f or maybe a 9600x, which is a little slower in games, and much slower in multithreading. but you'd get to keep your motherboard AND RAM, instead of just RAM whenever you upgrade

[coarse obsidian]

7500f?

[mental hazel]

weird chinese market Ryzen 5 7600 rename, but without an iGPU

if i were in your shoes playing thr games you play i'd just grab the 12600kf and do a fresh start in 5 years or something

[coarse obsidian]

thank you, thats pretty much what I wanted

[mental hazel]

my fiancé had a very similar system (5800x and b580) and she plays similar games. she didn't even notice a difference when i put her on a 265kf and a 4060 ti 16GB lol

so you'll probably be plenty happy with the 12600kf and b570

[coarse obsidian]

since I know I wont be buying everythimg all at once,
cpu- 12600kf
ram-32gb ddr4 3200 or higher
Mobo?
psu?
I have 2 ssds 1 terabyte and half a terabyte

[mental hazel]

the funny thing is she DOES notice a difference between her PC and mine... so now i have to get her an Rx 9070 haha

[coarse obsidian]

oh okay so a b570 mobo?

[mental hazel]

storage is probably fine. as for board, i can shoot you a link to one or just tell you what specs to look for if you want to shop on your own. just lmk

[coarse obsidian]

both please

[mental hazel]

b570 is the GPU, no?

[coarse obsidian]

ohhh sorry I dumb

you right

so many numbers and letter

[mental hazel]

motherboard :
https://ebay.us/m/kqEXab
what to look for:
any working DDR4 B660, Z690, B760, Z790. Also technically H610, but these are usually so terribly built that i wouldn't even trust a 12600kf to not blow it up

[icy hull]

You can ge the ayw b760m wifi in the combo builder on newegg for 90 if you're buying something else there too. $100 otherwise.

[mental hazel]

is it a ddr4 board?

and what exactly do you need to bundle? they also need a PSU that could be sourced from newegg

[icy hull]

https://www.newegg.com/tools/combo-builder/6675

[mental hazel]

seemingly not anything useful but either way i'd pay $20 for a much nicer brand new board

[coarse obsidian]

And the differences in these mobo?

[mental hazel]

board:
https://www.newegg.com/asus-b760m-ayw-wifi-d4-ii-micro-atx-motherboard-intel-b760-lga-1700/p/N82E16813119744?item=N82E16813119744

[mental hazel]

the more expensive one is new with a warranty, much better vrm cooling, and better io among other quality of life things

and it's only $20 more so might as well

[coarse obsidian]

what does io mean?

[mental hazel]

for PSU, these are great i have like four of them. they're $71 open box and will last forever. very good unit, high power rating so you can hang onto it for future higher end build
https://a.co/d/0cjuKVWs

[mental hazel]

ports. usb, m.2, etc.

[coarse obsidian]

ahhhh okay

I would like three m.2 but idk if that is realistic

[mental hazel]

not too many of those boards have 3 slots, and the ones that do are considerably more expensive

the asus one above has 2

[coarse obsidian]

Okay got its, so I should just upgrade to multi- terabyte ssds in future?

[mental hazel]

ig this one is only $10 more
~~https://a.co/d/09K393Dn~~

three m.2

oh wait it's ddr5

sadge

yah i think ur stuck with the asus one

[icy hull]

The ayw is pretty consistently the only only halfway decent ddr4 lga 1700 left in stock.

[mental hazel]

mhm

[icy hull]

At least until they get so expensive that you might as well just get a cheaper ddr5 board and more expensive ddr5 ram.

[mental hazel]

yah

[mental hazel]

yah, probably would just swap the 500gb out for a 1 or 2tb or something in however many years. 1.5tb is still plenty of storage imo. i barely use half of my 1.5tb

[icy hull]

I have a 2tb installed and another one sitting around I've been too lazy to put in. If you have good internet then downloading a game only takes a few minutes.

[coarse obsidian]

Ooo oki oki!!

wait should I go with mini micro or atx?

[frigid edge]

do you want full size or slighly smaller than full size

[coarse obsidian]

good question

prob micro?

wait

[frigid edge]

micro atx is a happy medium

do not get mini itx

[coarse obsidian]

Okis

[frigid edge]

atx is biggest and easiest to build

if you get a roomy case then micro atx isnt too much more difficult

mini itx is only for people who want something really portable

[coarse obsidian]

okii

[coarse obsidian]

would 4x8 3600 be good?

[frigid edge]

Memory?

[coarse obsidian]

yah

[frigid edge]

What cpu did yall choose

[coarse obsidian]

12600kf is what im looking at

[frigid edge]

Then yeah that’s good as long as you get an lga1700 ddr4 motherboard

[mental hazel]

that board only has 2 dimms i think

yeah you'd need a 2x16

unless you go with a different board

[coarse obsidian]

im guessing that would be more expense?

[mental hazel]

about the same

sometimes less if it's not an oem 2133/2400/2666 kit, and you'd probably want a 3200 minimum since it's all about the same price

[coarse obsidian]

okay, well I dunno if I am going to be getting that but nonetheless good to know, and would probably want more than just 2 dimm slots anyway

[coarse obsidian]

ones im looking at are minimum 3200, and some are 3600

[mental hazel]

if the 3600 is only a little more expensive get that, otherwise the performance difference is pretty minimal with XMP settings

[formal mica]

I just installed a new aio and moved some fans around now it wont post and solid red on cpu and yellow on dram. MSI motherboard. Any reccs what to do

[mental hazel]

reseat the pump/block and make sure you peeled the peely off of the coldplate

probably bad pressure or instant overheat. make sure also that the pump is plugged in properly, if the water doesn't flow you can hit tjmax and insta shutoff before the board has time to POST

[formal mica]

Thanks for reply, apparently it some memory training thing I took all my sticks of ram out and just left the 2 slot ram in and then it posted then turned it off and put the other ones in and now it works also clear cmos which could also been the reason.

[mental hazel]

interesting

if it's an MSI maybe it was a weird mismatch between the bios settings and having the pump header attached. i haven't had an MSI board since Coffeelake, but back then you could only increase the CPU power limit (and actually it would do this automatically) if you had the aio pump header plugged in because "you need water cooling to run the CPU at >stock PL" or something

very silly stuff

[wide sparrow]

9800x3d or 9850x3d

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https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-6291937884935153335

9850x3d

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👍

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are u gonna buy it

[wide sparrow]

Soon

[formal mica]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PRntv3 any reccs only thing new thats not on the list i got a aio and another 32 gb of ram so all ram slots are taken.

[mental hazel]

are you buying this or is this your current build?