building-and-recc-chat

[weary galleon]

There's this for $1250 with a better gpu, but only 16gb ram :/

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$1300 for 9600x 32gb ram and a 9060xt 16gb
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1234.05 after the 5% off

[south cliff]

its for my mom she does photo editing she dont need nothing crazy i wanted to get the 14700f because of the core count

[weary galleon]

Fair enough

Depending on how heavy her editing is she could probably get by with something a lot less powerful, maybe a laptop even

[south cliff]

shehas a laptop currently she said she wants a desktop she had the laptop for liek 6 years with a a 1650

[weary galleon]

But with current ram prices both of those 32gb ABS prebuilts are honestly pretty good value

[south cliff]

give me some options if you would please

[weary galleon]

For laptops?

[south cliff]

so i can send her and see what shes willing to do

laptop and or desktop

[weary galleon]

(open box) 32gb, 16 core cpu, laptop 5060

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-tuf-gaming-f16-16-fhd-165hz-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-14650hx-32gb-ram-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5060-1tb-ssd-jaeger-gray/JJGGLH8LZ5/sku/6629421/openbox?condition=1&sb_share_source=PDP&ref=app_pdp&loc=pdp_page

[south cliff]

Oh i was just looking at this laptop

[weary galleon]

New, 16gb, 8 core, laptop 5060

https://www.ebay.com/itm/297778435393

Could also look into something with integrated graphics, they're pretty good these days

[south cliff]

ehh i always prefer dedecated graphics

[weary galleon]

r/laptopdeals is a great resource

[south cliff]

where is that at

nvm dont awnser that

[fallen sphinx]

I found a 288v 2TB storage + 32gb ram for like 1k the other day

That would be great for photoshop

[rare plover]

What should i expect average desktop idle temps to be with a 5700x and a dual tower

[pulsar onyx]

What would this be worth if I swapped the rx7600 for a rx7800xt?

[icy hull]

Amd's 'idle' temps tend to suck so I wouldn't even bother looking at it and just look at the temps in game or whatever your typical most demanding use is. Or in a stress test like prime95 if you want a worst case for your cooler, if it can pass that then it's good enough for anything else you throw at it. A dual tower also shouldn't have any trouble with a 5700x unless the paste/mount is bad.

[gentle pollen]

What are load temps? Idle is very dependent on fan curves.

[rare plover]

70-80 degrees

[rare plover]

Was like 70 on fallen order maxed out

[gentle pollen]

It's a bit warm but within reason.

[gentle pollen]

How hot is your ambient?

[rare plover]

Wdym ambient

Oh

I’d say around 20-24 degrees

I usually have the ceiling fan on at medium too

[gentle pollen]

Yeah it's bit warm for that but within spec.

[rare plover]

Eh its an matx brick anyways

Thought of making lots of holes in the bottom front plastic but that would definitely ruin the warranty

[rare plover]

For better bottom air

Flow

[rare plover]

Since anted decided that the only real intake this case deserves is 8 screws meant for storage drives

How bad of an idea would it be to cut a matching rectangle for the plastic i removed and put mesh there

I mean idle is already about 10 degrees lower maybe i should just put a net here

[icy hull]

Do you really care about the warranty on a case? The only thing that can break is the fans and they'd probably just send you a new one.

[rare plover]

Maybe i’ll print a front panel and put gaps for a mesh

[rare plover]

what do you think? i made some slits to slide in the mesh

[cyan plaza]

is this even decent although i would switch some stuff around?

a friend wants a prebuilt to start with his first pc thats why

[crimson zinc]

No

That’s awful

[cyan plaza]

sorry been busy so not caught up on the overpriced stuff right now 💀

[crimson zinc]

What’s your friends budget

[cyan plaza]

1K it seems

he is aware of the ram issiues

i'm looking right now as well to build one unless your up todate and faster then me

[crimson zinc]

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[cyan plaza]

thats way much better

[crimson zinc]

It’s the 16GB 5060ti as well

It’s a little more expensive

But worth it

[cyan plaza]

not by that much $1,100.00 vs $1,250.00

$150.00 more about

[crimson zinc]

Yeah
You’re also gaining 400mhz
A much better gpu
A whole platform upgrade

[weary galleon]

Not sure what you mean by 400mhz

But yes a 14700f with 6400mjz ddr5 will stomp a 5700 with ddr4

It's not even a 5700x 😭

[crimson zinc]

I was referring to one I posted then deleted

[weary galleon]

Ah

[gentle pollen]

Looks good though I'd suggest making the holes larger and ditching the mesh to allow optimal airflow.

[rare plover]

i made a wooden design with a rail for sliding a mesh

[rare plover]

something like this, changed a couple things tho

its already seperated into parts so

[gentle pollen]

gotcha.

[gentle pollen]

I can't remember, does the Intel B460M platform have a backplate?

I am looking at this and I feel like I am missing something that this board comes with.

[frigid edge]

looks normal to me

[gentle pollen]

Sell my old hardware so I am trying to avoid selling anything that doesn't work.

[frigid edge]

how much u selling that combo for?

[gentle pollen]

$100 for either this combo or my R7-5700G + B550M DS3H.

[frigid edge]

and yeah idk what you mean backplate that looks like a normal motherboard

[frigid edge]

oh dude i can buy that

pair it with this 3070 i found and 16gb ram makes w pc to sell

[gentle pollen]

DM me if your interested.

[foggy stag]

I have a corsair 4000d frame case and I finally got my 360 aio in. What is the optimal placement for that? I'm thinking of putting 3 fans in the front as intake. the rad up top as exhaust. With one fan in the back as exhaust.

[snow dragon]

Nice

[icy hull]

That's what I'd do.

[gentle pollen]

Do these prices seem fair? I am selling my old hardware on facebook, I am trying to match it to the US market which would make it less expensive than the market here in mexico.

• 5700G+Gigabyte B550M DS3H (2200mx)

• 10700F+Asus Tuf Gaming B460M-Plus AC (2200mxn)

• 2x8GB DDR4 3200cl16 (1900mxn)

• 2x16 DDR4 4000cl18 (3700mxn)

• MSI X670-P Pro WiFi (2800mxn)

• MSI X670E Gaming WiFi (2900mxn)

• 7950x (6300mxn)

2000mxn is roughly 115 USD.

[weary galleon]

The 3200mhz ram is overpriced for US market. I think 16gb ddr4 is going for ~$70 used

[gentle pollen]

I see. I will probably be better off selling it locally then.

[icy hull]

Cpu + board combos seem like really good deals for someone.

[gentle pollen]

Locally 16GB 3200cl16 is selling around 2000-2200mxn

[weary galleon]

Yeah both the cpu mobo combos are priced well

[gentle pollen]

Thoughts on the rest of the parts? @icy hull @weary galleon

[weary galleon]

Seem reasonable as far as I know

[gentle pollen]

Just got messaged for the 10700F combo.

[frigid edge]

Put aio on top with the tubes coming out of the pump either to the left or downwards

[long dust]

Hey - question....I've never heard of the Intel Core Ultra processors. I currently have the 5800x3D from AMD, and I want to know how good the Intel Core Ultra 7 265F is compared to my current CPU and if it's even worth getting in the first place. Price to performance included.

[crimson zinc]

https://youtu.be/9RcYrliKgvg?si=hk0MdtsUWMo4tFCX

[long dust]

Also, if one doesn't want to build their own PCs and wants to buy prebuilt, where's the best source to buy them? Preferably (but not necessary) somewhere where they can customize the PC on the website itself and have it delivered prebuilt. Similar to Cyberpower PC. I know Best Buy isn't really the best, especially price to performance. Any suggestions?

[frigid edge]

Meta pcs is reputable and lets you build custom and theyll ship you it if you are in the US

@crimson zinc Also does custom builds

I would say newegg but they don't do customizable builds

Like amazon, newegg sells prebuilts from other manufacturers

[long dust]

Which of all these would you say offers the best bang for you buck?

[frigid edge]

Well I wouldn’t know as I haven’t used either but I say if you get a quote on a pc from both I can tell you which is better

The best of the best bang for buck would be building yourself however

[crimson zinc]

I only charge a $59 build fee

Buyer pays shipping

@long dust

That’s all I charge
You tell me everything you need, any specific needs or aesthetics, etc, and my time to build is about 1-2 weeks(parts coming in and testing included)

[frigid edge]

And use code TITAN at checkout

[crimson zinc]

[weary galleon]

Can't say poopoo word in Newegg discord but mod can advertise his business 🙃

[crimson zinc]

Say the word

I was responding to info

[weary galleon]

shit

Oh is that one off the banlist now

Coulda sworn I was getting censored for that a few weeks ago

[crimson zinc]

Nah

F word is

[fallen sphinx]

Honestly if you already have a 5800x3d don’t upgrade

It’s a really bad time to upgrade

[long dust]

I'm not upgrading. I was asking for a friend that was looking at getting a PC

I told him about the RAM shortage tho

[fallen sphinx]

It’s a lot more than ram

Basically everything is up

[weary galleon]

Ram, ssds, and GPUs

CPUs and motherboards seem alright

Oled monitors are low too

[frigid edge]

except cpu and mobo

[fallen sphinx]

Rams up 200%, ssds up 100%, gpus up anywhere from 100-500$

[frigid edge]

more than 200%

[fallen sphinx]

It’s up 200%

Ish

It tripled in price

[frigid edge]

oh right up is different from is

[snow dragon]

50% worse than 2018

[vale epoch]

I think i saw a prebuilt brand called andromeda insights with good deals on reddit

[long dust]

why is this only $1,189?

AMD Ryzen 7 8700F 4.1GHz, GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 8GB, 16GB DDR5, 1TB PCIe 4.0 SSD,

so cheap

[crimson zinc]

It’s not cheap
That’s not really a solid deal

[long dust]

since when did amd release the 8000 series??

and the F in the end? lmaooo

[obsidian wigeon]

8000 series is a cut down version of 7000

despite what the naming might suggest

the 8000 series has half the cache since that space is usually occupied by an igpu

[crimson zinc]

AMD with their lovely naming schemes

Can you find him a better deal foxy

[obsidian wigeon]

F suffix means well.. the igpu is disabled

i'll try, kinda busy rn

[icy hull]

The pcie lanes are messed up too. Fewer and only gen 4.

[crimson zinc]

@long dust budget?

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883360528C?

4070, 32gb of ddr5

[obsidian wigeon]

i think of 8000 series to be laptop cpus rebranded

they literally have leftover acpi stuff lmao

that amd later then patched out

since it caused some issues in a desktop config

mostly power limit related stuff i think

[fallen sphinx]

bad cpu, bad gpu, like really bad gpu, really bad ram, ssd wtv

[crimson zinc]

@long dust get this

[long dust]

Is the GPU not weaker than the 5070ti I sent earlier?

[snow dragon]

All of their desktop apu chips were from laptops I think

[crimson zinc]

You sent a 5060ti

Which is much worse

[long dust]

yeah that one, my bad

worse than the 4070?

[crimson zinc]

Yes

5000 series really did not improve on 4000

[long dust]

lol I remember when NVIDIA advertised the 5070 as being "the same performance as the 4090" but it ended up just being AI added frame generation lmao

[snow dragon]

fr

[crimson zinc]

Yeah it’s not great lmao
But get this one @long dust

[obsidian wigeon]

well i entirely zoned out

the refurb abs cyclone looks to be the best though for prebuilts in this budget

[icy coyote]

is the 9850x3d worth the 100 dollars in difference over the 7800x3d?

[obsidian wigeon]

ehh not really to me, unless you're chasing the absolute fastest gaming performance

7800x3d is still very fast

[icy coyote]

Gotcha. I'm just wondering because I'm looking to try and future-proof. I just bought a 5070 and was wondering if a 7800x3d would bottleneck, say, a 6080 or a 6070 ti in the future.

[gentle pollen]

Do you guys think the 8+2+2 VRMs on the Gigabyte B850M Force WiFi V2 is going to be an issue for my 9950x3D? I have seen it pull 300w in CineBench with a OC and slight overvolt.

[gentle pollen]

@obsidian wigeon

I forgot how to measure the power capabilities of VRMs.

[obsidian wigeon]

i doubt nvidia would be generous enough to give a gpu that's a lot faster than the current offerings, so you should be fine

[icy coyote]

Damn.

[obsidian wigeon]

VRMs feed the cpu with current, since cpus don't really need high voltage

check your current draw

wattage is just a result of voltage+current

the unit is in amperage

[gentle pollen]

Is a safe assumption that if each CPU VRM is rated for 80 amps, that each one can handle 80w at 50% load? @obsidian wigeon

[obsidian wigeon]

should be, especially if the VRMs are cooled properly with heatsinks

[gentle pollen]

It'd be receiving air from the AIO on the side as intake. Warm albeit good pressure and actual flow.

[gentle pollen]

What is considered good and reasonable temps?

[obsidian wigeon]

well, VRMs are designed to run up to their limit

so there's no worry as long as there are enough phases

[gentle pollen]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B850M-FORCE-WIFI6E-V2

This is the board I am looking at getting.

[obsidian wigeon]

the board in question has a healthy amount of cooling too

[gentle pollen]

Appreciate you helping me with my sea of questions.

[obsidian wigeon]

feel free to ask more if you have any

[gentle pollen]

Did I ask for your opinion on airflow for the Dan A3 yet?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

you have

[gentle pollen]

Okay ignore that then.

I will be able to afford the case and motherboard swap tomorrow so my mind is all worked up on this.

[flat cliff]

What is mini requirements or spec for gaming laptop to run multi player games and strategy games for like 144fps

[gaunt dawn]

yo what gppu should i be looking at for $4500 build

all new parts

is this deal worth it

[gentle pollen]

Price is decent. Specs are good though I don't like how it doesn't specify the ram's cas.

[gentle pollen]

Have you bought any parts? Do you need peripherals/monitor and are you in the US?

[gaunt dawn]

No peripherals i believe rn but ill have to see

[gaunt dawn]

I can check it, its listed for sale individually

https://www.buildcores.com/builds/RAKg7ZQ1j?share=true

this is what i have so far

its for work so they don't want rgb

i left some room in case they do want peripherals tho

[gentle pollen]

Does the work actually benefit from multi-thread?

[gaunt dawn]

i told them that...but they wanted to spend the money anyways

they said its the family / work pc

[gentle pollen]

Here is my list, much more practical. give me a sec.

[gaunt dawn]

thanks

wait

sorry i forgot to tell u

it has to be an all microcenter build

bc they want me to build the pc today (in a few hours)

westbury NY location

[gentle pollen]

Oh.

Can you check if you have these parts in stock?

[gaunt dawn]

the case and aio idrk bc i was going to ask them partially from an aesthetics standview

[gentle pollen]

f I need to remake the list gimme a sec

[gaunt dawn]

sure

sorry : (

tysm really appreciate it tho

[gentle pollen]

@gaunt dawn is this a kid or adult?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m4C2Qd

Here all that for $2100 is good. the AIO needs to be mounted to the side as intake. the PSU mounted to the side as well.

For the GPU, I am not sure what MicroCenter is charging but a 9070xt would be my recommendation, or if you guys have it within budget a 5080/5090.

[gaunt dawn]

adult

[gentle pollen]

you can fit up to a 4 slot gpu at up to 400mm in length with the config I sent you for the AIO and PSU.

[gaunt dawn]

ight ty

preciate it

so the deal wasn't worth it right

or atleast those parts were overkill itself

[gentle pollen]

I have better parts listed with lower prices.

@gaunt dawn you will likely need to remove the heatsink on the 5.0x4 drives which on PCpartpicker are cheaper than the 4.0 drive at a slightly higher price.

[gaunt dawn]

ye thats cool

was that ram bad? just curious

[gentle pollen]

slower frequency, higher cas, and worse heatspreader. As far as ram goes it's okay but not good by any means.

[gaunt dawn]

preciate the find

[gentle pollen]

And Corsair locks the voltage or sometimes limits the voltage on their ram.

Meaning no proper overclocking can be done

[fallen sphinx]

you do know the p510 isnt actually pcie 5 speeds right

[gentle pollen]

It's slow

but still faster than most 4.0 drives and the cheapest 2TB option at the time of looking.

[fallen sphinx]

could quite literally get a 4tb pcie 4 drive

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ckX9jn here, saves a lot

[gentle pollen]

Good eye mate.

[gentle pollen]

@gaunt dawn _Quok found a solid 4.0 SSD at 4TB for less than the two 2TB 5.0 drives.

[fallen sphinx]

uhhhhh

buy the 9950x3d from msi

a LOT cheaper

lemme see if any other mobo has that bundle

the pro a has it too, id get that

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QRvwt3 here

https://us-store.msi.com/Motherboards/AMD-Platform-Motherboard/AMD-B850/PRO-B850M-A-WIFI this bundle

[gentle pollen]

they are buying only from MicroCenter. idk if microcenter price matches

[gaunt dawn]

The issue is that they want their pc rn all microcenter....

[fallen sphinx]

all?

[gaunt dawn]

Yea

[fallen sphinx]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5007274/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d,-msi-x870e-p-pro-wifi,-crucial-pro-overclocking-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle this and ask to swap the board to a matx one, since this board is 300$ from mc you should get a good one

[gentle pollen]

the MPOWER is the best MATX board if you don't need two pcie slots or 4 dimm slots though.

[fallen sphinx]

they legit just said they wanted microcenter

[gentle pollen]

Oh wait yeah

🤦‍♂️

Feels weird buying everything from one place.

[gaunt dawn]

So the ram is ight?

[fallen sphinx]

yeah

[gaunt dawn]

Ight that was the original idea

[fallen sphinx]

it literally tells you the cas latency

idk what alphas talking about

[gaunt dawn]

lol

[flat cliff]

What is mini requirements or spec for gaming laptop to run multi player games and strategy games for like 144fps

[obsidian wigeon]

which games are you planning to run specifically?

there are a lot of different games that have very different min reqs

[flat cliff]

Lol and apex and like this similar

[weary galleon]

For eSports stuff you could probably get away with as low as a 3060

[icy hull]

Keep in mind that not all laptop gpus are created equal. They have a range of power limits/targets, so there can be a crappy 30W 4060 in one model and a full power 110W 4060 in another model. That's up to the laptop manufacturer to decide and they don't always advertise when you're getting ripped off.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-LOQ-15-6-FHD-Laptop-Ryzen-7-250-16gb-512GB-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-5050-83JG006RUS/16557169822 Lenovo's loq series is generally the best of the cheap models from any brand, budget pricing and midrange build quality. If you're trying to get something cheaper than this I'd look into used/refurbished options.

[gentle pollen]

@snow dragon love the crane lmao.
#build-pics message

[weary galleon]

Not my pic lol. But I actually do have that same set

[gentle pollen]

Accidentally pinged the wrong person there. My bad Steve.

[weary galleon]

No worries

[flat cliff]

So i have to go with 4060 and above?

[fallen sphinx]

4060 laptop prolly won’t hit that fps on apex

[weary galleon]

1080p low settings it should easily

[fallen sphinx]

In 1440p all low I was struggling to hit above 120 on my 3060ti

Idk about easily

[fallen sphinx]

(In the firing range, not a game)

[icy hull]

I wouldn't expect a 4060 or 5050 to have any trouble with it at 1080p. https://youtu.be/ihJRJryQXTE?si=HuQn_WH6wd0B7FqD&t=186 And that's on max graphics instead of competitive settings.

[fallen sphinx]

what cpu tho

apex is mainly a cpu game

those are bothj i7-13650hx

it looks to be a good bit better

[weary galleon]

what CPU?

[fallen sphinx]

3600x

[weary galleon]

yeah that was likely the bottleneck. Apex is surprisingly cpu heavy and the firing range is moreso I believe

[fallen sphinx]

its a bit slower then the r7 250 but it has DOUBLE the l3 cache

[snow dragon]

Not mine

[gentle pollen]

Ahh okay

[icy hull]

I didn't get into apex but isn't the firing range just an empty map with some targets? An actual match would have a ton of other players and action going on, that all adds cpu work for the cpu to keep track of.

[fallen sphinx]

Yup

[icy hull]

You always need both but once you have a cpu good enough to let the gpu max out adding a better cpu doesn't do anything and it's not like these are top shelf gpus that need a great cpu to keep from holding them back.
Main downside of the one I posted was single stick of ram which is fairly expensive to upgrade nowadays but that's going to be the case on pretty much any budget laptop unless you find a good deal on a nicer used one.

[weary galleon]

there are CPU/bots which I believe increase cpu load

I may be misremembering though

[icy hull]

If the bots move around and especially if they react to you or each other to choose how to move then it would. I only ever touched that game briefly for a bit of benchmarking and I remember there being targets that just go back and forth on a track or pop out of cover or something like that.

[weary galleon]

yeah they updated the range a while ago so it isn't just the popup/sliding targets

but I might be misremembering that the new range is cpu heavy

[icy hull]

I could certainly be wrong lol.

[fallen sphinx]

Games are FAR more cpu heavy

i have overhead now but on my old pc its like 120-130 in firing range, but stuttery 90 in games

i have a couple hours lmao

[severe hull]

Hey all , how do you confirm a gpu went bad. My son was playing and the pc shut down . When it opened up only one screen works , cant change higher then 720. No gpu in bios no gpu in task manager and when I try to use amd to update it says it can’t because of an issue with gpu. I have two other gpus in the house can I simply remove and install to confirm? Don’t want to ruin the other pc’a

[frigid edge]

yes remove and try another gpu

with the pc off of course

[severe hull]

Thank you will try tomorrow ! I definitely do think it went bad that gpu has had a ton of hours on it lol

Any recommendations for something better than a 6700xt

He’s still on am4

[fallen sphinx]

whats the budget?

[severe hull]

650ish

[fallen sphinx]

new or used

[weary galleon]

Probably a 9060xt 16gb

[severe hull]

Had that in mind

[severe hull]

New

[weary galleon]

May end up a little cpu limited in some games (just eSports where you'll probably be seeing good fps anyways) but idk if there's a cheaper new option that's worth it

[icy hull]

Do they already have a 6700xt? That's a pretty marginal upgrade imo.

[weary galleon]

6700xt is presumably toast

[icy hull]

Oh, I had to scroll up a bit further.

[weary galleon]

Though the 5600 doesn't have an igpu right? So the 6700xt is working to some limited capacity

[icy hull]

Not unless they meant 5600g. Ryzen didn't have igpu standard until 7000 series.

[severe hull]

No e sports mainly shooting games

[severe hull]

Yes 6700xt is the gpu we think went bad

[severe hull]

I believe so . He does not have a g model gpu. The pc almost seems as if it’s running inn safe mode but it’s not . Second screen won’t work . Can’t change to 1440 and gpu does not pop up

[icy hull]

Did you try ddu and reinstalling the drivers to check for driver issues/corruption?

[severe hull]

I believe we tried updating drivers using and adrenaline from the amd website . After download it says there is an issue with gpu

[broken lake]

guys, does anyone know if my ram is toast?

[gentle pollen]

... what did you do to it?

[frigid edge]

looks cooked

you can try gently scrubbing with toothpaste

[gentle pollen]

1. Bad contact between the gold fingers and the pins in the DDR slot.

2. To much voltage was used.

In anycase, if there is still gold there, try to clean it and seat it carefully

[broken lake]

nothing…

[broken lake]

tragic

[gentle pollen]

I hope this wasn't DDR4 or DDR5

[broken lake]

4…

[gentle pollen]

Well damn.

[broken lake]

I don’t new ram money right now with these ram prices 😭

[fallen sphinx]

Can you RMA it?

[broken lake]

I’m certainly gonna try

[severe hull]

This worked ! Any idea how this happened ? Mid game ? Do drivers get downloaded automatically causing problems ?

[icy hull]

That's the go to first step for gpu issues that present like software since amd and nvidia's built in tools for it suck. The can't change resolution, looks like it's in safe mode stuff sounded like software problems. Why do drivers develop issues over time? Couldn't tell you. It seems to be more common if you hold off on updating for a long time then skip a bunch of version though.

[weary galleon]

glad to hear ddu fixed it and you didn't have to shell out for a new gpu

6700xt is solid even 5 years later

[snow dragon]

Windows probably broke the driver

many such cases

in fact

right now my adrenalin on windows has some features removed after an update

cant record anymore

[obsidian wigeon]

i believe they're snapped off

there doesn't seem to be any mounting hardware

[icy hull]

Take the side panel off so you can see inside. There should be a lever, they don't use screws like a normal case. And the covers are knockouts yeah.

[icy coyote]

I’m getting a high pitched humming sound from my new build

Could it be my fans or coil whine? I can upload a video but I don’t have perms :/.

[snow dragon]

Is it a buzzing sound

[icy coyote]

Yeah

[snow dragon]

Buzzing is coil whine

[icy hull]

You can just gently poke the fans to stop them spinning and see if they're making noise.

[icy coyote]

Would I be able to post the sound?

It’s my first build I’m worried I did something horribly wrong xd

[icy hull]

Could be something as simple as not tying a cable out of the way and a fan is hitting it.

[icy coyote]

Am I allowed to dm?

[icy hull]

You can send me it and I can post it if you want.

[icy coyote]

Thanks!

[icy coyote]

Sent.

[snow dragon]

Sounds like turbulence

Swap the orientation of the fans so they are pushing through rather and pulling through

[icy coyote]

I’m assuming I’d have to swap my front panel fans as well?

Since they’re all oriented to pull

[snow dragon]

No

[icy coyote]

Oh gotcha

[snow dragon]

Wait

[icy hull]

The cpu fans are on backwards.

[snow dragon]

Yeah

Yeah the front is backwards too

[icy coyote]

I was told to orient them that way because of my front panel fans xD.

[icy hull]

Air comes out the side with the grille/spokes unless it's a reverse bladed fan, which aren't very common. You'd want everything blowing the same direction, usually front to back.

[icy coyote]

Oh gotcha

Damn I have to cable manage again

😫

Thanks so much for the help guys

Is the pc like usable for now if my temps are all fine?

[snow dragon]

Not entirely starting over, for the cpu fans you can just rotate them if needed or just tuck the cables

Probably also just need to rotate the front fans if necessary

Unscrew them and flip them

[icy coyote]

Yeah I think I need to.. are the front fans on backwards as well?

[snow dragon]

Yeah, just that you'll have that interference from the blades being too close to the fins while sucking through the fins

Just noisy but still works

[icy coyote]

Ahh gotcha.

[icy hull]

They look like it's currently doing this. You want the cpu fans and the rear one blowing to the left too.

[icy coyote]

Wait

I thought I had them oriented pushing from right to left

[snow dragon]

Oh that's interesting

I thought the front fans were backwards because of the logo

But they are oriented correctly actually

Ok then so just the fans on the tower need to be flipped

[icy coyote]

Hmm

[icy hull]

These two are blowing to the right. Unless they are reverse bladed which would be strange. I don't think there is a peerless assassin or other cooler with reverse blade fans. Usually the only reverse blade fans are case intakes on some nicer models. That puts the pretty side facing in.

If you want to be sure take a picture of the blades when they aren't spinning.

[icy coyote]

Sent u a pic

[snow dragon]

Yeah just have those two have the nicer side showing and that's it

[icy coyote]

I’ll flip them

[icy hull]

They look normal but I can't be 100% with the blurry glass in the way.

[icy coyote]

Ahh.

So all in all you guys think it’s just turbulence?

[icy hull]

Maybe. They might not have the rubber vibration dampers on the both sides of the fan frame too. That could be it. Or the fans are just maxed out for some reason so it's loud. It can be hard to tell where specifically a noise is coming from even when you're right next to the pc and listening with both ears. If it's still doing it after then just try slowing the fans or manually stopping them one by one.

[icy coyote]

Gotcha, thanks so much!

Will do exactly that.

[versed current]

I’m having an issue with my pc black screening after I had to force shut down it by holding the power button and one of the chassis fans isn’t working. Can someone look at this video and tell me to fix it

If I exit this everything goes black again and my pc turns on and off 3 times then comes back to here

I reset my bios via f1 an the fan still isn’t working. Should I re enable xmp and all the other stuff later?

[stoic island]

The fan not working is more likely to be something with the physical connection

probably came loose

Leave xmp off if you're suspecting instability leading to crashes

[versed current]

Now it’s working and turning on normally but when I turn it on my keyboard and mouse flicker and the fan still doesn’t work. I’m prolly gonna check the fan tmmr

[stoic island]

almost sounds like there's a bad usb device that's doing something weird, but the fan not turning on is a separate thing, more likely the connector just came loose

[icy coyote]

so there's less of an audible humming noise now, but it still exists. I think it was my fans but the fact the noise is still there freaks me out @icy hull @snow dragon

[snow dragon]

fan speed is pretty high then

since it is quieter then you wont need to turn it down as much

[icy coyote]

gotcha, I'll try and play with the fan rpms until the sound goes away. Thanks so much guys.

[snow dragon]

[unique sand]

Do I absolutely need to do a fresh install on a new PC instead of just moving the old boot drive over for a while
I'm really not looking to spend $200 per TB on top of whatever else it would cost for a Win 11 license, and I don't have a lot of time for a new install right now

It would likely end up costing me an extra $500 with all the software I'd have to replace

[frigid edge]

yes

windows key is 15 dollars

cant say much her ill dm you it

[unique sand]

thanks

[frigid edge]

installing doesnt take long either

[unique sand]

yeah it's reinstalling all the programs that I'd need to use that would take forever 🙁 I don't have keys for office or adobe any more

[frigid edge]

ah that makes sense

for windows if you change pcs and the old one is confirmed to be deactivated you can have microsoft support swap your old key to the new pc

its pretty cool they do the remote connect thing enter a bunch of codes in a place you didnt know existed and then boom

[unique sand]

oh cool

Does it make sense to put the OS on a smaller ~250 nvme and everything else on an older sata SSD

oh god those are just as expensive now too

I think I should not have let my friends talk me into building a whole new rig

[weary galleon]

If your cpu is the same (intel-intel or amd-amd) it isn't the worst

Still nice to do a fresh install though

[unique sand]

it's amd to amd yeah. Ryzen 5 to 7

[fallen sphinx]

No

That’s for the times when storage drives were slow

[unique sand]

What size would you recommend, then?

[snow dragon]

back then it was mainly an expense thing. I had a 128 gig boot ssd and it costed as much as a terabyte hard drive

Actually it was a little cheaper but still

[snow dragon]

Do u have a parts list

[unique sand]

It's still an expense thing, if I want a 2tb SSD it's gonna cost me $400

[snow dragon]

What’s your storage situation rn

[unique sand]

Right now I have an SSD for the windows boot drive, everything else is on HDD

[snow dragon]

What games you play and how big is the drive

How full is it

[unique sand]

The boot drive? It's about half full

I don't have many games yet, most likely I'm not going to be maxing anything out though

[unique sand]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fccvwY

[snow dragon]

Nah the hard drivr

[unique sand]

I've got a 12, and an 8

[snow dragon]

What’s all in your current system?

[unique sand]

Processor AMD Ryzen 5 1400 Quad-Core Processor 3.20 GHz
Installed RAM 32.0 GB
Storage 12.73 TB HDD TOSHIBA MG07ACA14TA, 932 GB HDD WDC WD10EZEX-00BN5A0, 7.28 TB HDD WDC WD80EFBX-68AZZN0, 233 GB SSD Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB
Graphics Card AMD Radeon R5 200 Series (2 GB)

[snow dragon]

Also get a used graphics card and ram

[unique sand]

yeah all those parts I got used at a good discount

[snow dragon]

Oh nice

So all you need then would be storage right

[unique sand]

yeah

Just not sure what size I can get away with, since they're super expensive now

[snow dragon]

What kind of games are you playing

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yGTp99/sk-hynix-platinum-p41-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-shpp41-2000gm-2

[unique sand]

I was thinking of picking up Metal Gear Solid Delta and City of the Wolves

[hollow gulch]

Dm

[severe hull]

Good afternoon all , pc had crashed . Gpu stopped working . I did I believe what’s called ddu and after new drivers . Pc started working just fine . A week later or happened again . Specific reasons this keeps happening ?

[stoic island]

What driver version are you on? Might be driver specific issues

[dawn thistle]

my mag x870e tomahawk wifi got 2 cpu cable connectors?

do i need to put both

im also running 5070ti shadow oc with it

[dusky hearth]

Some boards are optional but best to put both if you can

[ruby yew]

anyone here familar with steelseries gg

been using it for it's ai voice cancellation and I've noticed my mic is delayed sometimes like it wont cut in till I talk long enough and my audio on my headphones is muffled

[obsidian wigeon]

i have no issues myself with gg's ai noise cancelling

[dawn thistle]

need help asap

my fans are blasting, the lianli 217 fan hub

and its not detecting in hardware monitor in msi mag bios

[dawn thistle]

nvm found the cn1 4pin cables

[umbral veldt]

Need help building or finding a prebuilt for around 2k ish.

[weary galleon]

I'd do something along these lines

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jzLgXf

[umbral veldt]

Thanks

[icy hull]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4853650 If you are planning to order today you can get a combo deal for the cpu, motherboard, ram for about the same price but a much nicer motherboard and a cpu upgrade.

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KWjMn2
that psu is not great for any gpu except ones with 12vhpwr, also cheap mobo + aio

[weary galleon]

Thanks for the tip on the psu

Royal Pretor is pretty much equal to 360mm aio but if you prefer the aio asthetic for $10 more it seems fine

[icy hull]

It has 3 8pins which is as much as you'll ever need.

[fallen sphinx]

unless you need more

which is not off the table at all

no reason to get it when other good psus that dont have that big downside exist

[gentle pollen]

Does anyone know what will happen if I put say a prior gen nvme like say gen 3 into a M.2 slot set to gen 4/5?

[fallen sphinx]

it runs at gen 3

[gentle pollen]

Gen 3 speeds but fully functional?

[fallen sphinx]

yeah

[gentle pollen]

Gotcha

[gentle pollen]

Any idea on how bCLK might affect a x2 vs a x4 slot?

[fallen sphinx]

i mean

the x2 will just be slower

but why would it be down to an x2 slot?

[gentle pollen]

My board has a 5.0x4, 4.0x4 and 4.0x2 M.2 slot

My boot drive is on the x2 slot.

[fallen sphinx]

are you trying to use all the slots?

[gentle pollen]

Yes, I have 3 nvme slots though I could probably reduce down to two if I put my games on the same drive as my work drive.

When I raise bCLK to high the x2 slot can't detect my boot drive.

I did not have the detection issue on my other board with bCLK but that was a x4 slot.

[fallen sphinx]

are you like saturing all your pcie lanes?

[gentle pollen]

Currently every lane except for the 4.0x4 x16 PCIe slot.

[fallen sphinx]

what board is it again

[gentle pollen]

Gigabyte B850M Force V2 WiFi

[fallen sphinx]

unless im reading this wrong, i dont think youll have any issues with lane sharing, but you dont have 3 NVME slots?

[gentle pollen]

There is no lane sharing.

[gentle pollen]

There is no lane sharing.

I have 3 M.2 slots but one of them is 4.0x2 from the chip set (the one the boot drive is on)

[fallen sphinx]

so

thats a different mobo entirely

what is google doing

[gentle pollen]

Lmao yeah that is different

[gentle pollen]

@fallen sphinx seems by setting the PCIE mode for the M.2 slots to auto solved the boot issue

I am currently in windows with bCLK 102

[dusty stag]

Anyone willing to take a look at my current pc's parts list and recommend some upgrades?

[gentle pollen]

Sure.

[unique sand]

Question

I'm putting an m2 in my mobo

I think I'm missing a screw

Or am I supposed to move that little cylinder up?

[crimson zinc]

You can buy one of the m.2 screws for like $1 at any electronics store

[dawn thistle]

doesnt it come with a m.2 screw?

[crimson zinc]

It should

[dawn thistle]

my p510 came with one

[unique sand]

It didn't sadly

Will any m2 screw work?

[stoic island]

Any will work, usually it comes in a small baggie with your motherboard

[unique sand]

Thanks

[icy hull]

Looks like you need a standoff too. They aren't always the same, there are different heights and threading but they might be the same across asus.
If by cylinder you mean that, I dont' think that's the same thing. Pretty sure that's just for the stock heatsink to screw into. If it was removable it shouldn't be round like that.

[stoic island]

Can't really tell in the photo but it doesn't look like you need a standoff, just check if the SSD lays flat when pressed down, if it looks like you're starting to bend it, you may need a standoff, if it lays flat, you won't need a standoff

[unique sand]

It's not flat, sadly. I'll have to buy a standoff too

Wish I'd read this before going to the store and back

Oh wait there's some in the kit

[dawn thistle]

bruh

[unique sand]

Do I use these cables to connect the gpu? Loks like to goes in the 12v 2x6 holes

The gpu is 2nd hand so there's no manual

[frigid edge]

This is for an nvidia gpu which you do not have

do you have any other cables that look like that

you gpu uses this type

[unique sand]

Ahh, thanks

[drowsy zodiac]

thinking of upgrading my gpu, i have a ryzen 5 5600 and a rx6600 currently thinking a rx7700xt or a rx9060xt what route would be better i do alot of gaming, music production and alot of multi tasking

been having issues with my screens flickering and cutting my audio out they come back on but amd has a driver timeout or some shit ive done a DDU even did that amd cleanup tool thing nothing works i notice its when i tab out of a game, ive updated my bios aswell nothing seems to fix it

no overheating issues aswell i should add

ive even bought new display cords

[gentle pollen]

Does reducing your GPU's clock speed and it memory speed help? Sounds like degradation.

[drowsy zodiac]

ill give that a try

i notice it happens more when im playing black ops 7 if that matters lol

[gentle pollen]

horribly optimized game

[drowsy zodiac]

been thinking that

ahhaha

[frigid edge]

9060xt 16gb

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/T2H7YJ,CsvD4D,ZMxxFT

[frigid edge]

are you planning on upgrading your motherboard only?

[manic cloak]

Yeah to DDR5

[frigid edge]

in that case you should also switch to AM5

[manic cloak]

I only need the board upgraded unless there’s smth new coming

Oh

[frigid edge]

i see you have a 13600k, what is your current mobo and ram?

[manic cloak]

Z690 asus tuf plus + ddr4 3600

[frigid edge]

how much ddr4

[manic cloak]

32gb

[frigid edge]

k

32gb of ddr4 is worth about $120
your mobo is about $150 maybe more if theres no other listings
your cpu is about $200-220 depending on other listings

i dont think thatll be enough for a decent switch

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YwqKH3

could try getting used ddr5 like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/397584513563

but you'll need cash on top

ddr5 market is ahh rn

[manic cloak]

Well, I already have the ddr5.

I’ve had it since before the market crash 🧍

[frigid edge]

ohhh great lol

just get the cpu and motherboard then

[frigid edge]

if you want a better cpu then go for a 9700x or 7700

[frigid edge]

holy deal

[manic cloak]

My question is why a 96/700x though?

[frigid edge]

even back then thats insane

[manic cloak]

Cause imo the switch to that from a 13600k doesn’t seem worth it imo

[frigid edge]

am5 has a much better upgrade path than lga1700

[frigid edge]

9600x would be about the same and 9700x would be large jump

[hoary wraith]

Noob here anyone can answer a few pc related questions?

[manic cloak]

I see

[frigid edge]

its just to get on the am5 platform where you are able to get a much better cpu in the future like a 9800x3d

[manic cloak]

And anything on am6? I haven’t been in the loop

[frigid edge]

not even out yet

[dawn thistle]

9700x not even worth the extra 120$

just go for 7800x3d atp

or settle with 9600x

[icy hull]

For what?

[frigid edge]

jump in performance from their current cpu

[icy hull]

In games or doing what?

[frigid edge]

everything

13600k might outperform in core count needing tasks

but am5 is worth it for the upgrade path

[icy hull]

Something heavily multithreaded it would be noticeably better than a 9600x. Games they'd be about the same.

[icy hull]

Upgrade path? 'Buy a new motherboard and cpu now. It's good because you might not have to buy one later if you upgrade your cpu again.'

[icy hull]

At least one more generation of am5, probably around late this year. Jedec hasn't even laid out the spec for ddr6 yet, though they did do lpddr6 last summer, but desktop is still 2+ years away still. If you already have the ram for cheap then finding a decent lga1700 ddr5 board isn't hard, they're actually a lot more common than the ddr4 ones now.
Are you doing stuff where you're being held back by cpu/memory performance? It can make a decent difference if you need it but it can also make no difference if you don't.

[manic cloak]

Well I’ve noticed weird things where my CPU just jumps to 100% on idle, booting up steam, or even struggling to operate any browsing system

My board has a few bent pins from microcenter a few years back, they bios upgraded my board, kept everything inside, didn’t see it until I took the cpu out that day

I know the pins bent are ground pins but I’ve just found it weird, I’ve been meaning to upgrade aswell to ddr5 for gaming but apparently there isn’t much of a difference

[icy hull]

There can be. Somewhere in the up to ~20% range isn't uncommon. If you're gpu limited in the games you play already then it's more like 0% though. Not all games care as much as other about memory bandwidth too so there is a lot of variance even when it does matter.

[manic cloak]

I will say I have a 4070tiS plugged in, I haven’t updated my name yet

I will say, what’s a good price now for a 7800x3d/7900x3d?

[icy hull]

That doesn't mean much. If you are playing CS and Valorant then you're not pushing the gpu as hard as it would be in Cyberpunk or Indiana Jones. Resolution also matters, cpu doesn't care if you're playing in 720p or 4k, that only affects the gpu.

If you're seeing 100% gpu utilizaiton or near to it in games consistently then a cpu/memory upgrade won't do much for you. If you are going to swap to am5 then getting an r7 x3d is what I'd do. I wouldn't bother with the 12 core ones.

[manic cloak]

285$ for a 7800x3d seem alright?

[icy hull]

Used? Sounds like a good deal but not suspiciously cheap.

[manic cloak]

Yeah

Otherwise they have a 250$ 7600x3d if that does fall through

[weary galleon]

Have you checked your CPU cooler

Poor contact or paste issues can potentially cause temp spikes like that

[manic cloak]

To 100% usage?

[weary galleon]

Maybe? If the CPU isn't being cooled it can't boost and therefore will hit high utilization faster

If you haven't checked the cooler mounting and paste it's worth a shot before buying a new cpu, takes maybe 5 minutes

[potent prairie]

Heya, I'm adding a GTX 980 to a secondary homelab pc, do folks know if this is one that can be powered with just 1/2 pcie cable? My psu does not have two GPU cables

I have a Ryzen 3600 and cx450 power supply for reference

[stoic island]

Most of those will take 2x6/8pins

[inland cloak]

Cooler and cpu stuck together

Dam

Bent two pins because it was stuck togsther

Fmlllll

[crimson zinc]

Send it to me

I’ll fix it

Won’t give it back but still

[snow dragon]

That's not bad you can just bend them back with a razor

Next time twist the cooler to avoid this

Oh shit

Rare spire cooler sighting

[dawn thistle]

am4?

[inland cloak]

Yes

[weary galleon]

Twisting always sketches me out cause what if I just shear off all the pins 🙈

I do a gentle twist but if it doesn't budge I run another cpu bench to warm the paste more

[snow dragon]

It’s not that stuck to it

You could also run cinebench or something

You can get it loose by going back and forth too

[odd venture]

or use ptm7950 instead of paste

or just use a different paste

[stoic island]

that's just the behavior of the stock paste with the stock am4 coolers lol

[tough matrix]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/236633041617? Used CPU for BIOS Update (can sell or scrap after the mobo has finished its updates)
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-challenger-b580-cl-12go-arc-b580-12gb-graphics-card-double-fans/p/N82E16814930131 GPU
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4853300&Source=socialshare&utm_campaign=snc-typereplacer-_-sr-_-combo.4853300-_-datereplacer RAM, Mobo, SSD
https://www.newegg.com/tools/combo-builder/6675?cm_sp=keyword-_-redirect-_-combo-up-savings&Tpk=combo Case, 3 Fans, CPU, Cooler (free air blower cleaning tool)
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-pro-series-atx-3-1-compatible-650-w-80-plus-gold-certified-power-supply-black-pro-650g/p/N82E16817955024 PSU
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Keyboard-Windows-Optical-Full-Size/dp/B003NREDC8 Keyboard, Mouse
https://www.amazon.com/AOC-22B2HM2-Adaptive-Flicker-Free-Eco-Friendly/dp/B0CXZW42CD?th=1 Monitor
https://www.bestbuy.com/product/hyperx-cloud-stinger-2-wired-gaming-headset-for-pc-black/JJG2RWXXJ8/sku/6518171?utm_source=feed&extStoreId=167 Headset with Mic
https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-MX-4-Compound-Micro-particles-Durability/dp/B0795DP124?th=1 Thermal Paste

priced out a PC under 900 for a friend, does this look ok

$879.64 +$30-35

the extra charge is sadly a used old CPU because the 16gb ram 1tb ssd deal has a 450

so i would need to update the bios before the 5500 is recongized

other than that the 5500 is pcie 3 anyways so it shouldnt matter

the perfs arent the best

but i use the same keyboard for years and its fine

and the monitor is 100hz

[tough matrix]

this is after tax too

anyone have any advice to shave more money?

and no he refuses to go to a b570, he wants the two extra gb of vram because hes afraid GTA6 will be like the indiana jones game and wont even boot on an 8gb card at 1080p high settings

he also distrusts used things, he is going to scrap the 1600 as soon as hes done with it

also i know the ram is cl22, but it shouldnt cause stutter right

[crimson zinc]

Lot of unpack here

Hold

[weary galleon]

Just FYI the b580 will likely be a 30fps (with aggressive upscaling) experience in gta6

Gta6 also won't be on PC for a while right?

Might be best to just buy a console tbh

[bitter mason]

wait so why do you need a temporary CPU for BIOS update? some boards don't even need CPU to update BIOS

[tough matrix]

this is a b450m

old board

supports 5000 but the bios it comes with doesnt

[crimson zinc]

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-tech-pulse-11335-04cpo-radeon-rx-7700-xt-12gb-graphics-card-double-fans/p/N82E16814202475?

Use this gpu instead

[tough matrix]

it has to be under 900

and its already pushing it

hes gonna resell the used cpu to stay under

[tough matrix]

^

1st part too

[crimson zinc]

Hm

[tough matrix]

also intel fixed their cpu issue

so its not as bad as a few months ago

also new XeSS update today i think

trust me if it were up to me hed get a 9060xt 16gb or a 5070

but unfortuneatly he has a chornic case of being poor

terminal

sadly

[bitter mason]

why not get B550?

[tough matrix]

not apart of the combo deal

for an SSD, mobo, and ram

200 for 1tb nvme and 16gb ddr4

and a mobo

cheaper for the used CPU to be resold

[crimson zinc]

Same

[tough matrix]

then you understand my strange choices

with his specifications

ive seen a few benchmarks recently of the 5500 b580 combo

[crimson zinc]

I’m using a 2007 cm stacker 831 case for my pc

So I understand

[tough matrix]

and its not bad

cpu heavy games are a bit on the low end

but the only "unplayable" one is rust

and tarkov

and he hates those games

[weary galleon]

Wait $200 for mobo+ssd+ram?

[tough matrix]

yes

[weary galleon]

You can easily fit a 9060xt 16gb then

[tough matrix]

thats +150 dollars

it has to be under 900

and we're at the brink already

[weary galleon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kk9TW9

[bitter mason]

ooo I think this is bdie cuz flat 16s https://shopgoodwill.com/item/255496605

[tough matrix]

after tax

monitor keyboard mouse mic headset included

[bitter mason]

you can get a super cheap ass keyboard/mouse combo & replace it later?

[tough matrix]

already

15 dollars for both combined

[weary galleon]

That list is $816, plus a little for a cpu if needed to update bios

[tough matrix]

mk120 from logitech

[tough matrix]

before tax

and no perfs

[weary galleon]

Ok how much is tax? 7%?

[tough matrix]

yes

870

30 dollars for every single perf

and the cpu

[crimson zinc]

Msi has their forge set for $20

Mouse and keyboard

[weary galleon]

Ok so the PC comes in just under 900 after tax, not much room for peripherals but tbh you could get a free keeb and mouse to use for a while

The jump from b580 to a 9060xt 16gb will be noticeable

[tough matrix]

ill see this

[tough matrix]

he doesnt have "free"

if he had free we wouldnt be buying a keyboard and mouse :3c

[tough matrix]

thanks thats a pretty good upgrade he'll like it

[crimson zinc]

I’ve personally used it

It’s not the greatest
But it’s fine for even a non kb&m user

Like myself

[tough matrix]

peronsally im rocking the k120

and the g502 hero

mfw the mouse is more expensive than the keyboard

@crimson zinc @weary galleon @bitter mason
apprciate all your help

and trust me, if i could fit a 9060xt in there i would

[bitter mason]

the umm

G305 I think

pretty decent mouse for decent price iirc

[tough matrix]

ty

[bitter mason]

btw if you live near a Microcenter, you may want to explore that option before you commit

[tough matrix]

he does not

he lives 4 hours from his nearest one

[bitter mason]

ah heck

[crimson zinc]

Highly suggest also using onn(Walmart brand) for anything cheap. It’s not bad quality, but it’s not great

Better than Temu

[tough matrix]

we looked there

[crimson zinc]

Like a mic or headset

[tough matrix]

best buy had the better deal

unless i missed a listing

his irl friend got scammed and didnt know it until i told him

[bitter mason]

lol you're doing scrapyard wars rn

[tough matrix]

so i want to try and help him

so he doesnt end up like his friend

[bitter mason]

which reminds me, you might check if there are any nearby electronics recycling places nearby

[crimson zinc]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/18681119979?conditionGroupCode=3&sid=56524552-d03c-4a78-b8c4-ce91b00b6bd4
rig 300s for $7

[tough matrix]

(friend of friend paid $1000 for a 6500xt 4gb, 5500, 16gb 2666mhz cl20, 1tb nvme gen 3 with a b550m in an ATX case)

[crimson zinc]

That’s ass

[tough matrix]

he has a 1440p monitor too

[crimson zinc]

Brother

[tough matrix]

i know

im helping him too

[crimson zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-tapper-jake-tapper-i-dont-understand-the-decisions-being-made-i-dont-understand-the-decisions-being-made-jacob-paul-tapper-jojorbbit-gif-19772556

[tough matrix]

they dont know tech

and just read

GAMING PC

and get blinded by the RGB

[weary galleon]

Recycling centers, offices, etc often have basic peripherals they'll give for free or like $5

[tough matrix]

very true

[crimson zinc]

Or schools

[tough matrix]

however he already distrusts used

he will call me crazy if i say

"hey bro go to the dump"

[crimson zinc]

Does he trust open box

Or refurbished

[tough matrix]

no

[bitter mason]

Micocenter is on Amazon now? https://www.amazon.com/stores/MICROCENTER/page/20FEAE8C-FA0E-45AC-82AF-84F46544B28D?

[tough matrix]

no

[tough matrix]

ooh

[weary galleon]

It's just a cheap keeb till he can afford a better one, not a critical PC component

[crimson zinc]

Nah but get that forge combo, hard to beat for $20

[weary galleon]

Also, gta6 is so far out he could honestly invest the $900 for a little bit and let it grow lol

[tough matrix]

ive tried telling him that used is fine

[tough matrix]

i also tried telling him that $1400 is the sweet spot

he just is tired of being a console bro

[tough matrix]

30 sadly

but i let him know

[weary galleon]

What console does he have

[crimson zinc]

People on r/hardwareswap have a bunch of new stuff they’ll let go for a discount

[tough matrix]

xbox

[weary galleon]

One or series X or series S?

[tough matrix]

genuinely dont know, never asked him

[weary galleon]

The reason I ask is because the b580 will basically be a sidegrade to the series X

[tough matrix]

his breaking point was when the next xbox was revealed to just be a $900 computer

(hence the pricepoint)

[weary galleon]

The next Xbox will perform better than a $900 PC rn

[tough matrix]

ive tried telling him that he should spend even 100 more

he wants it under 900 and he wants it soon

so i might as well do my best so he doesnt buy a iGPU prebuilt

[weary galleon]

Ok well if it helps you can tell him a (knowledgeable) internet stranger thinks he's a bit of an idiot

[tough matrix]

no he would probably just get mad

[weary galleon]

Poor financial decisions...

[tough matrix]

though the b580 is decently solid

so for what we're working with id say its a decent choice

[weary galleon]

It's a bit slower than a 6700xt which means it's pretty dang close to an Xbox series X / PS5

[tough matrix]

it gets 100fps on arc, bf6, bl4, and rivals

so i dont think he'll mind

[bitter mason]

if you do the like build your own PC thing on newegg

it'll make bundles easy

[tough matrix]

yeah i did that, combined with other websites and other deal hunts

this is as low as i could go

[weary galleon]

I dunno if the 5500 will get 100fps in bf6, it's really cpu heavy just fyi

My 5700x3d gets around 120fps

[tough matrix]

benchmarks ive seen with the 5500 and 580 gets about 80-100 depending on the map

low ofc

no XeSS too

[weary galleon]

Xess does nothing if you're cpu bound

[tough matrix]

prob why the benchmarker didnt put it on

[weary galleon]

But yeah at low settings I could see it doing at least 80

[tough matrix]

60 fps 1% lows

not bad

:nodders:

[bitter mason]

damn b580 up $50... no surprise ig

rough time to build a PC

[tough matrix]

ik

its sadge

i built my current rig in december

right before the crisis got crazy

i think i got out good

i wanted to spend 300 on ram regardless

but instead of the 48gb cl30 7200mhz kit i was eyeing

i got a 32gb cl32 6400mhz

still cant complain

anyways i appriciate you all

much good advice

[bitter mason]

damn what about newegg refurb 3080 for $400 lol

[bitter mason]

tbh keep an eye on shopgoodwill & you might get a decent deal on something

[bitter mason]

great for AM5

[tough matrix]

i know which one you're talking about

[bitter mason]

if you can force 1:1 UCLK:MCLK

[tough matrix]

it was barely above 320 when i saw it

raised price :C

[bitter mason]

6400 is a little ambitious on AM5 at 1:1

[tough matrix]

ye faired me well

i spent 2000 dollars

and i got

b850
9800x3d
5070ti
corsair 1000e
thermalight phantom spirit
gen 5 dram 9100 pro samsung 2tb
gen 4 dram 990 pro samsung 2tb
gen 4 dramless sn7100 wdblack 1tb

the ram ofc

and my case was the okinos 7

came with 6 fans pre installed :D

[bitter mason]

5070ti prices are going way up cuz rumor is production on it is going down

[tough matrix]

its not rumor

companies have claimed no stock

[bitter mason]

yo those okinos cases are underappreciated

[tough matrix]

just because nvidia says they still make it

doesnt mean its rumor

the companies dont have them

[bitter mason]

I have a system in the Air Cross & it's a pretty damn good case ngl

[tough matrix]

there is no stock

[tough matrix]

ye

aqua 7 is great

back panel is flimsy

perfect for my shitty wiring job

bows before hoes

[glossy narwhal]

Yoo I need help I just built my pc and I went to test it the fans moved but stopped

[tough matrix]

POST failure most likely

[bitter mason]

haha ya but it's what? like $89? the Air Cross came with uh, five fans iirc?

[tough matrix]

check the ram

[tough matrix]

got mine on sale for 70

[bitter mason]

it does that every time you try to start it?

[tough matrix]

alot of the time we just dont push hard enough

(dont break your mobo)

[glossy narwhal]

This is my first time turning it on and I didn’t link it to monitor

[tough matrix]

well you should do that

[tough matrix]

im more happy about my SSDs

[bitter mason]

ya you got a heck ton of storage fr

[glossy narwhal]

Ima push the ram in harder it clicked the first time

[tough matrix]

i got the gen 5 for 120
the gen 4 samsung for 200
and the gen 4 wdblack for 100

120 for a 2tb gen 5 ssd

not a fake one either

[bitter mason]

I'm kinda mad at the board I just got cuz it runs x8 on PCIe slot if you populate two of the M.2 slots like wtf

[tough matrix]

ye rip

[bitter mason]

you got really good storage too

[tough matrix]

which one

[tough matrix]

my old build was laughably bad

[bitter mason]

ASUS X870E Crosshair Apex

[tough matrix]

bruh

that much money

and that is a problem

[tough matrix]

b350 pro 4

broken nvme slot

4x4gb of 1086mhz ram

[bitter mason]

it came with a 32gb 6400c32 kit & a 240mm AIO. I could probably recoup like half the price of the board in this market lol

[tough matrix]

two of the sticks caught fire at some point

as when i refurbished my old pc as a gift

[bitter mason]

you upgraded like exponentially fr

[tough matrix]

there was ash

not dust

ash

3060 12gb

2600

2 corrupt breaking 128gb sata SSDs

2 3tb HDDs

best part of my build was the psu

[bitter mason]

3060 12gb was a decent GPU

[tough matrix]

EVGA 650 psu

forgor what model specifically

[bitter mason]

it made the 3070 8gb look really stupid in hindsight lol

[tough matrix]

just knew evga ands 650 watt

[tough matrix]

to be fair nvidia was doing the right thing

8gb was enough back then

and crypto miners focued the lower end card

instead of the higher end

[bitter mason]

lol I'm trying to get this stable & it's probalby a fool's errand

[tough matrix]

now its inexcusable

[bitter mason]

my 3070 paid for itself mining ETH

especially once someone figured out how to break LHR lol

[tough matrix]

only mines i go into are the ones in hoxxes iv

[bitter mason]

oh man I miss mining

ya it made things really suck I know but like

better than massive memory shortage none of us ordinary people can capitalize on lol

[tough matrix]

(hoxxes iv is from the game DRG, i did not mine a shitcoin)

[tough matrix]

blackwell 6000's perform about as good as a 5090

https://tenor.com/view/chains-houston-payday2-payday-the-heist-pdth-gif-21547951

[bitter mason]

I got my 3080ti from mining

which was a stupid purchase in hindsight. 3090 was so much better

ya but aren't those like $6-8k?

[tough matrix]

(the gif is from the trailer for the popular hiesting game payday 2)

[burnt stratus]

i got my gpu from a store

i got my 3070 from ebay

that gpu crashed a lot

lol

i dont remember the last time i bluescreened now

[tough matrix]

[the joke is theft]

[tough matrix]

{i am very funny}

[bitter mason]

lol that's the only way to get a blackwell 6000 fr

[glossy narwhal]

My pc still doesn’t work so you know where I can get someone to inspect it or how I can fix it

[burnt stratus]

store

do you know what the problem is?

is it that it wont boot?

[tough matrix]

did you reseat the ram like i said

[glossy narwhal]

Whenever I turn it i see the fans move a bit then it stops

[bitter mason]

I beat up my 3070 so bad. I have 248 subs on hwbot with that GPU lol

[glossy narwhal]

Yes

[bitter mason]

but it still works great. It's in my son's PC rn actually

[burnt stratus]

sounds cpu to me

[tough matrix]

did you plug in the CPU power

or is your psu too weak

[bitter mason]

did you plug in both parts of the 24-pin to the PSU? some people only plug in one sometimes

[burnt stratus]

i remember watching a pc tech guy deal with that

guy forgot to plug in cpu power on the mobo

[bitter mason]

could try to force reset CMOS with the header

[glossy narwhal]

Yeah

[bitter mason]

if none of that works & all your cables are connected, you should probably reseat the CPU

[tough matrix]

what are your parts

[burnt stratus]

thats what i would do

[tough matrix]

and is anything used

[burnt stratus]

its used now

haha

get it

since

hahaa

[tough matrix]

yes

[bitter mason]

try just one RAM stick in B2

[tough matrix]

(2nd slot)

[glossy narwhal]

Ok

I have bad specs

[tough matrix]

not that they are bad

i want to know if you may have BIOS issue or PSU issue

[bitter mason]

my 3070 was pretty good. I still have No. 3 best Firestrike score on hwbot lol

[tough matrix]

very nice

my first gpu was a 1070ti

upgraded it to a 3060 with 8gb more ram for tarkov