building-and-recc-chat

[gleaming arrow]

wtf happened to the price of ram?!?

[crisp sun]

yea...

[fallen sphinx]

AI

[crisp sun]

RAM T_T

"Supply Chain Issues"

[gleaming arrow]

Back in my day ram was like 70$ a pack 👴

[crisp sun]

"""""""

https://tenor.com/view/quotation-marks-air-quotes-dr-evil-autstin-powers-mike-myers-gif-6227353

[fallen sphinx]

AI happened

SSDs are rising too

[gleaming arrow]

Sucks man

[fallen sphinx]

Yup

[icy hull]

ddr5 is back to early 2022 prices.

[gaunt dawn]

is it worth selling nonworking dd4 ram

[twin sedge]

prices have gotten so bad its now more worth just reusing parts from my old build than to sell it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dyLNRV

[gaunt dawn]

Is a dual tower, single 90mm fan too weak to cool 7500f?

[icy hull]

It would be better than a stock cooler. Unless you're using a case that's height limited I'd get a 120mm fan model though. The smaller fans are whiny.

[gaunt dawn]

Ight

[icy hull]

https://www.newegg.com/tools/combo-builder/6675 You can get a 9800x3d with a 360mm msi aio included. And like $35 or more off if bought with amotherboard. The asus b650e tuf plus at $160 looks like a good option. That would be like +$20 from what you had to get the 9800x3d plus a nicer motherboard. Aio is probably a sidegrade, it's an msi a15 isntead of a nautilus.

[twin sedge]

where are you seeing the cpu+aio

I only see the 9800 alone

o ok i see it now

[snow dragon]

Shits like 2018 all over again

Except rather than a true shortage they are just screwing over the consumer market

[wheat zealot]

what's the most you guys would pay for a 7500f?

New

[crimson zinc]

$130

[icy hull]

You can get a 9600x with a warranty and a 240mm aio for $195 so it would have to be cheap enough to make more sense than that.

[weary galleon]

Maybe a little more. Depends on current 7600/7600x/9600/9600x pricing

[pale dust]

you can get a 7500f on ali for around 120

[icy hull]

Shipped to the US for 120?

[wheat zealot]

I just checked the other day and it’s like $150 shipped

I can get it from somewhere else though for $160 2-3 day shipping or should I just do the 7600x for $211 (including Tax) + the free aio?

[icy hull]

Are you just getting a cpu?

[wheat zealot]

Yeah but I need 2

I was tryna cut expenses where I can but the 7500f just doesn’t seem cheap enough anymore

[icy hull]

If you're doing that I think the extra $10 for the 9600x is worth it. You can also just get a 7500f on newegg for 145. 3rd party seller.

[wheat zealot]

I’m putting in a budget board so I really didn’t see the point of the 9600x

[icy hull]

Are you using it or reselling it? It's a bit faster and uses less power.

[wheat zealot]

reselling

[icy hull]

People will pay more for bigger number and water cooling. You'd have to make those kinds of decisions yourself though.

[wheat zealot]

Yeah that’s why I was going to go with the Newegg deal but im indecisive af lmao

[sturdy crow]

Hey guys am gonna be upgrading my rig with a new motherboard, CPU, and ram memory.
Anything I need to do before I make the change? (First time upgrading the motherboard) I've build my pc and worry I might mess it up

[fallen sphinx]

This might possibly be the worst time to upgrade

[sturdy crow]

I've had the parts for a month and haven't gotten around to them yet

[crimson zinc]

What parts do you have/upgrading from

[sturdy crow]

ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO to ASRock B850 PRO-A AM5

Ryzen 7 2700X to Ryzen 5 9600X

[crimson zinc]

Just make sure your PSU is disconnected from the wall

Make sure you have all your connectors

[sturdy crow]

Psu?

[crimson zinc]

Power supply

[sturdy crow]

I haven't started yet I was wondering if I need to do anything software wise beforehand

Like anything in bios I would have to do

[fallen sphinx]

Just turn off igpu and turn on expo

[icy hull]

I'd reinstall windows when changing platform/motherboard. You don't need to but you can get weird bugs and driver conflicts carrying over a boot drive to a new system.
Also check rebar/Sam in bios, not sure if b850 will be default on or not.

[weary galleon]

I think Ryzen to Ryzen should be ok? It's usually swapping intel/amd that has potential issues (?)

[fallen sphinx]

It is totally fine

[icy hull]

If it was like 2700x to 5800x3d I might not bother. It's a completely different platform and I would be doing it. Doesn't mean you can't skip it and be alright. I view it more as a ripping off the bandaid sort of thing.

[snow dragon]

I went from 2600 to 5600x, and with a different motherboard

I just had to reactivate windows, nothing crazy

I also went from the 5600x to a 9600x and it still works

I do occasionally get the hardware config has changed popup

[patent jetty]

hello everyone, i am going to be building a new computer for the first time since the pentium II came out, i am trying to get something nice, but not redicilous, i am looking at this combo https://newegg.io/44c07100 and looking for any advice if anyone has some time to look at it

maybe i should clarify, building from all new parts since then, i have built junkyard computers, and done upgrades since,

[icy hull]

Just for gaming or what? The r9 for gaming really doesn't do anything over an 8 core, it's just $250 more for nothing.

[patent jetty]

some gaming, probably mess around with some VM's again, i do mess around with video some

[icy hull]

If you like playing around with vms, especially multiple at once then more cores never hurts.

[patent jetty]

that is what i was thinking as well, that and i probably wont upgrade for a while, so trying to go a bit overkill to make this last a bit. i havent looked at new hardware in quite some time, does what i have look like it is compatible ?

[icy hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6mF7fd I might change a few things. The 9950x3d comes with a 240mm aio on newegg, so does that x5 ram kit. So maybe end up with two and sell one to recoup a bit of cost? Maybe sell both and get a 360?
$150 for a 1tb is crazy even with how bad ssd prices have gotten recently. That's the thing I'd see as the biggest fault.
The pop air kind of sucked unless you need the 5.25 bays on the bottom. I'd probably get this corsair one or a meshify 3 if you can find a good price. They were a lot cheaper before the gamer's nexus video a few days ago. The non-rgb one is still pretty cheap and in stock.
If you're going to spend more for a nicer/quieter model of 9070xt I'd go for an xfx quicksilver or mercury instead of the gigabyte. Or go with a 5070ti instead. If you'll be doing much with adobe, especially premiere or after effects that could be a good idea anyway.
The be quiet psu is supposed to be really nice and silent. I just ordered one myself to replace my psu because the fan has been annoying me. Montech one is a bit cheaper, still good quality, still a 10 year warranty.
https://www.newegg.com/tools/combo-builder/6675 Motherboard and cpu discount for buying together.

[patent jetty]

thank you very much for all that info. i will be looking it over. much to go over, i very much apreciate it.

[severe hull]

Hey all looking to upgrade my sons cpu . Some games max out his cpu

[fallen sphinx]

What’s the budget?

[severe hull]

300 but more is fine if it can be the last cpu I need to buy for a bit !

[fallen sphinx]

You’re in the USA right?

[severe hull]

Yes !

[fallen sphinx]

And are you fine with buying used?

[severe hull]

No !

New it would be a Christmas gift

[fallen sphinx]

Hm

Idk if that’s gonna be possible

[severe hull]

Why ?

[stoic island]

Best in slot upgrade would be 5700x3d/5800x3d, but it'll be hard to get new since that's 3 generations old by this point

[fallen sphinx]

There’s not much you can upgrade to that would be worthwhile

5700x3d MAYBE but that’s not worth over 300$

[severe hull]

All the new stuff is ddr5 right that’s why it’s hard to find some thing for this set up ?

[stoic island]

Everything past Zen 3 has been on AM5 for AMD, it's a different socket

Best bet would probably be a refurb 5700x3d somewhere

[severe hull]

Makes sense

[severe hull]

How about adding a power wire to this ! I bought my dad an ssd but I need a power cable . Do I get a jumper and add it to the wire off of hdd or do I get a wire that goes off off bother board to ssd ?

[stoic island]

Sata power should be coming from the PSU, generally if you're only using one or two other drives, you can daisy chain off the same sata power connector

[weary galleon]

5600 shouldn't be holding back a 6700xt too much. Make sure it's properly cooled, ram is set to xmp speeds, and PBO is turned on

[gentle pollen]

Having been a kid growing up loving computers I think the kid would be ecstatic for a better CPU. Whether or not it was used prior probably won't bother him.

If you want new but not to expensive check out Newegg's refurbished section those are all functional CPUs and have the benefits of a new one (warranty, reputable vendor, etc).

https://www.newegg.com/p/274-000M-00219?item=9SIC3X5KNJ3558

5700x3D for $324 it should be about 23% faster then your son's 5600. While we don't recommend it from a value perspective it is however the best upgrade around your budget.

@severe hull

If possible we suggest saving up to around $550 to be able to do a AM5 upgrade with a 7600x, 1x16GB RAM stick, and a good but inexpensive board like the ASRock B650M HDV.

[severe hull]

The pc is running pretty good . Only once in a while I think it can use slightly better . I think I might hold off till it’s really time to upgrade and go this route ! Thank you

[icy hull]

You can look at GPU utilization on games. If it's consistently staying near 100% you're good and a CPU upgrade would do little to nothing, the further away it is the more headroom you have for a CPU upgrade to make a difference. That can vary a lot by game, settings, resolution so it's best to just check it first hand.

[weary galleon]

Gpu utilization percentage doesn't always tell the whole story though

Better to try and find cpu vs gpu frametime in-game stats

[severe hull]

So I don’t understand this why is the gpu running at 100% good ? I thought this ment I would need a bigger gpu

[weary galleon]

The idea is that if the gpu is at 100% it isn't being bottlenecked/held back by the cpu

[icy hull]

Exactly, and yeah it's more of an estimation thing.

You can go deeper into weeds with presentmon and looking at more detailed info. Just as a simple top line thing GPU utilization is what I'd look at.

[stoic island]

It's harder to determine how hard your CPU is getting hit since CPU optimization is harder to do

[hollow gulch]

Your gpu actually performs best at around 90% util, because youll get better frametimes/less latency

Thats exactly what technologies like amd antilag, and nvidia reflex do

[tawdry lance]

I am looking for a 1000$ prebuilt for general gaming purposes. What would you guys reccomend?

[wheat zealot]

Not sure how prebuilds are rn but I’d look for a 7600x + 9060 xt 16gb build

Occasionally you can find really good refurbished builds on Ebay or Woot

[hollow gulch]

do you live near microcenter

https://www.microcenter.com/product/698874/powerspec-g527-gaming-pc

[weary galleon]

7500X3D? 16gb 9060xt? 32GB ram?? Damn, microcenter

[frigid edge]

and yet they couldnt spare 5 bucks for a rear fan

[fallen sphinx]

HWAT?

Dude

Microcenter is so good

[fallen sphinx]

Don’t forget that ram is 25% of that cost

[weary galleon]

Honestly case fans tend to matter less than you'd think so I'm not gonna complain

Oh also it could be related to minimizing labor costs? Cause the rear fan would require seperate cable management? Idk

[languid nimbus]

Hep

I got new pc and no display and red light on boot on mobo

It pulled up at first, said it was going to download updates or something and it would take a bit, so I went to eat and when I came back it’s doing this

I’ve tried: plugging into different DP ports (all the ones in the GPU), unplugging and re inserting GPU and RAM

Made sure connections are secure

[weary galleon]

Cpu not compatible with bios version maybe?

[languid nimbus]

I’m not sure, would it pop up at first with display and then just stop if that were the case?

It just kinda shut off randomly

[weary galleon]

Yeah I'm not sure tbh

[languid nimbus]

Sucks dude, swear nothing ever goes right for me lmao

[icy hull]

No. You can try resetting cmos and you can try with no drive installed and see if it lets you into bios.

[languid nimbus]

It’s a 14700f so iirc it has no onboard graphics, if that’s the case I’m not certain if it’ll still let me into bios

Gpu is a 5070ti

Monitors pull up like they want to try to receive info but nothing comes up

[mental hazel]

windows said this or your motherboard UEFI?

[mental hazel]

is it a debug LED? ie does it have a set if labeled LEDs for CPU/DRAM/VGA/BOOT/etc.?

if so definitely check which one thr LED is hanging on

i'm assuming it's a boot issue since UEFI should not be able to download updates lolol

[languid nimbus]

Boot red

[icy hull]

Depends on the motherboard. There are some with that feature, terrible idea.

[mental hazel]

they do this from within the OS though, your UEFI shouldn't even have network access

[mental hazel]

yeah windows probably effed itself

[icy hull]

Oh I misunderstood you.

[mental hazel]

if you have a thumbdrive just grab a new windows ISO and try to repair your existing install or just start fresh with a new one (probably ideal for platform switch anyway)

otherwise... well get a thumbdrive haha. i guess if you have another working machine theoretically you could just clone your working install to the borked drive and boot from the clone in your currently borked machine

[languid nimbus]

So I just tried another ssd fresh out of the box and still nothing

[mental hazel]

do you have windows or an OS installed on the SSD?

[languid nimbus]

I do not

I guess I need thumb drive

[mental hazel]

that would be your issue then

yes you need an OS to boot to

otherwise you can't boot

[languid nimbus]

On this one anyways, the other one I should

[mental hazel]

ergo boot LED

[mental hazel]

ah

[icy hull]

It sounded like it wasn't posting at all to me.

[mental hazel]

yeah the original one is probably just effed up then lol

[mental hazel]

it's hung up on boot so they shooouuuuld be able to get into uefi

[languid nimbus]

Great

[mental hazel]

@languid nimbus restart and spam delete key constantly

see if you can get into uefi and change your boot priority options

it might not be booting to the correct drive partition. sometimes uefi is stoopid and doesn't grab the windows boot manager properly without user intervention

[frigid edge]

bro forgot

[mental hazel]

what did i forgor

[languid nimbus]

That windows sucks?

[mental hazel]

real

[frigid edge]

the automod

[languid nimbus]

Ok so… flash drive in pc everything hooked back up still no output and red boot light still on

[cerulean portal]

anyone have thoughts on what UPS to roll with?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C4QNXWG4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1

I was looking at this one, but all I can find on battery chemistry details is that it's "lead acid"

idk what sort of chemistry is best for a ups though

[hollow gulch]

APC has the best ones

Youre good with that

[cerulean portal]

I see others that are lithium ion

[hollow gulch]

I haven't used goldenmate but ive heard they are good, they sell li-ion ones for around that price

[cerulean portal]

I'm sure lead acid is fine, but I'm mostly just unsure if the lithium ion ones are worth the pricetag

they're more efficient and need battery replacement less often

but I guess people say fire risk & the cost means it's not a clear win

I do trust APC more than other brands though, ya

also looks like it has a data port to power down a pc by itself during an event

I am uncertain about wattage though

I have a 700 watt PC atm

1300 watt power supply

I might upgrade the GPU down the road for something like 850 watts total

I don't know how much my monitor pulls tbh

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/alienware-34-240hz-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw3425dw/apd/210-brrk/monitors-monitor-accessories

says up to 190 watts

but I'm just guessing around half that for normal use?

I'd like to future proof a bit

but say 900 watts maybe for the PC & monitor?

but I guess you're meant to multiply by 1.5-1.75 due to resistance & junk?

so that would be 1350-1575 watts

roughly in line with the 1500 watt rating I guess

just typing as I think, lol

idk if they can all generally adjust & push higher wattage if needed though?

if it's just a calculated thing based on the VA for loose system size recommendation?

idk what else i'd plug into a ups though

[frigid edge]

is it an nvme

[languid nimbus]

Yes it is

[cerulean portal]

maybe a lamp & my security cam + it's little NAS

[frigid edge]

what slot is it in

the main one or a different one

[languid nimbus]

Right above gpu

Main one

[frigid edge]

try putting it in a different one

are you able to go into bios?

[languid nimbus]

I am not

[frigid edge]

how

[languid nimbus]

No display

[frigid edge]

clear the cmos and use integrated graphics

[languid nimbus]

No integrated graphics

[frigid edge]

well try with clearing the cmos

and make sure everythings plugged in correctly

[languid nimbus]

Kk, I’ll try again. They’ve got a cmos jumper to clear it and the actual battery is like in an unreachable area, so dumb

[cerulean portal]

have you tried booting with one ram stick?

[languid nimbus]

I have not

[frigid edge]

Only error right now is boot, so it shouldn't be ram

[cerulean portal]

gotchya

[frigid edge]

at least its not under the vrm heatsink like ive seen on one board

[cerulean portal]

is the cpu fan header populated?

[languid nimbus]

Good call to try this but did not work unfortunately

[frigid edge]

try turning pc on without it in at all

you need to at least post to bios

[languid nimbus]

Uno momento

[cerulean portal]

it's 2025 & MB companies still won't add Q code displays...

why ;.;

[languid nimbus]

Still no signal

[frigid edge]

is your psu modular

[frigid edge]

make sure your gpu cable is all the way in on both sieds

[languid nimbus]

It is not

[frigid edge]

well make sure cable is in on gpu

what specs do you have anyway

[languid nimbus]

‘Tis

14700f 5070ti

[frigid edge]

Is that 12 pin an adapter or does it lead straight to the psu

[languid nimbus]

Straight to psu

I’m at a loss honestly

[severe lava]

got a problem going on where my pc cuts power and i have to power cycle it to turn it back on but it normally cuts out playing a game where i get hit with a flash bang and then powers off done playing arc raiders hit with jolt mine then powers off

[frigid edge]

either cpu is overheating or your psu is too weak

what is your cpu and cooler

[severe lava]

7700x with a 2 fan cooler

2 fan air cooled btw

[frigid edge]

yeah i think thats not enough

if those fans arent at 100% then its overheating

get an aio or something

[fallen sphinx]

what

a 2 fan cooler is PLENTY for a 7700x???

😭

what cooler is it

might just need to repaste

[frigid edge]

[weary galleon]

If it's a crappy single tower with 2 fans it might be throttling the cpu but it shouldn't cause an outright crash

[weary galleon]

This sounds more like a gpu or PSU problem to me

[severe lava]

im gona repaste and replace cooler and go from there i have another cooler from another pc so

[icy hull]

What cpu temps were you seeing?

[lunar cosmos]

Country: Canada
Budget: 2500ish
Use: Gaming as well as light ML training
Resolution: 1440p ig... not sure tho, but good graphics 😅
Aesthetic: Not a fan of all rbg st

My planned build, any recs or changes:
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MZyXgn

[hollow gulch]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qMsZkf

[lunar cosmos]

5070 TI or 9070 XT? Any thoughts. Thanks also!

[hollow gulch]

might be faster for machine learning, but in gaming theyre the same

if you think its worth the extra $130 then go for it

[hollow gulch]

if youre ok with a 1tb ssd for now i can also fit in a 9800x3d under budget https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gzQZkf

or use this list with a 7800x3d to stay under with the more expensive 5070 ti https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/DgGGWc

[gentle pollen]

Download HWInfo and run a stress test like Cinebench R24 and OCCT to stress the CPU and check for heat or power issues.

If you see the CPU going over 90c then it's likely heat. If it stays under 85 but crashes then it's likely power. To further test this limit the cpu's power draw and see if crashes or errors occur.

Do that to diagnose the issue and save yourself some money

[digital imp]

i'm currently running a 7900xt with a ryzen 9 5900x and was thinking of potentially upgrading, any recommendations or am I pretty good for now?

[languid nimbus]

I’d say you’re definitely solid for now

I’d wait till at least next gen

[digital imp]

ok thanks!

[icy hull]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/rVxcdb If you're going to do local ai stuff you're going to want nvidia.
https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/amd-desktop-processors/282428/amd-r7-9800x3d-cpu-gigabyte-b850-aorus-elite-wifi7-motherboard-t-force-32gb-d5-6000mhz-cl30-ram.html Sold out online but might be in stock at a local store if you have one.
https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/amd-desktop-processors/283326/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-cpu-asus-tuf-gaming-b850-e-wifi-motherboard-t-force-32gb-d5-6000mhz-cl30-ram.html $100 more, not quite as nice of a motherboard but still fine, in stock online.
And that ram you had is actually over $500, not $330.

[languid nimbus]

Following up to this request for help, still nothing unfortunately

Just in case anyone has anymore ideas

[mental hazel]

what have you done thus far?

[fallen sphinx]

The ram he put had a price change

[cunning spade]

whats the best cpu to go with this gpu

[fallen sphinx]

not getting that gpu, and then getting a 7500f

[languid nimbus]

So far,
• ensured all connections are correct and seated all the way in place
• reset cmos (have bios on flash drive)
• changed nvme to other slot
• tried new nvme (have windows on flash drive too)
• taken ssd out to try without it (cant try without GPU i have no integrated graphics)

[cunning spade]

i have a 5500 and i plan on upgrading it after i get a new gpu

[fallen sphinx]

i mean

dont get a 5060 though

[cunning spade]

whats the best gpu for 300$

[fallen sphinx]

9060xt

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4LFCmG/xfx-swift-oc-radeon-rx-9060-xt-8-gb-video-card-rx-96tsw8gba

[cunning spade]

https://a.co/d/i0R1uy4

not this one??

[fallen sphinx]

worse model for more money... wha

[cunning spade]

oh alr

what cpu would i get for that gpu, i have a 5500 rn

@fallen sphinx

[icy hull]

5500 probably keeps up fine. I'd just upgrade gpu first and then see how it feels or you can do some tests.

[cunning spade]

if i wanted to upgrade what cpu would it be

what other one should i get

[fallen sphinx]

uh

yeah thats fine

[fallen sphinx]

just that one

its pcie3 which is kinda eh...

[icy hull]

For something relatively affordable like a 5600 or 5700x or 5800x or xt. Depending on games/settings/resolution the 5500 could be fine though. If it's good enough to keep you gpu limited after the upgrade then a better cpu will do next to nothing. If you're more into single player high/ultra graphics sort of games I'd also consider the 9060xt 16gb instead of an 8gb. If you mainly play esports/shooters type stuff then 8gb is good enough but for some more demanding games you might end up on medium or something.

[fallen sphinx]

maybe likea 5700x or 5600

[cunning spade]

ill probably go with a 5700x

[icy hull]

Motherboard would also be a factor there. If it's not a b550 or z570 then it's pcie gen 3 from that too anyway.

Another point in favor of 9060xt over 5060 though.

[fallen sphinx]

good thing he didnt get the 5060

[cunning spade]

i got a b550

[fallen sphinx]

x8 on pcie3

😭

[cunning spade]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wnn674

[lunar cosmos]

Ended up getting the one that was in stock online! Thanks for the tips!

[cunning spade]

that would be my build after i get my new gpu

[lunar cosmos]

Awesome, thank you for the suggestiosn!!

[mental hazel]

are you able to get any output at all? ie can you get to UEFI or at least see the board attempt to enter UEFI?

bc usually boot problems occur after POSTing, they don't prevent a POST altogether

[quiet tartan]

whats a good gpu for a intel core i5 13600kf

[languid nimbus]

No, no output at all other than when it first booted

[fallen sphinx]

like a 9070/xt

[mental hazel]

does your board have bios flashback?

you can try using the flashback button to force a bios update if you have a reflash button on your board. most AM5/LGA1700/1851 boards do

[languid nimbus]

It’s got a button that says QFLASH_PLUS which I’ve pressed and nothing on that either

[whole forum]

just upgraded my CPU and GPU and now my audio sounds different, any idea why?

[hollow gulch]

np

[mental hazel]

read your motherboard manual, there is usually a process for this

[languid nimbus]

okay, I tried that as well, no luck....frick

this sucks dude

[snow dragon]

I got the paypal 20% cash back

9070 steel legend for 466

[mental hazel]

niceee

how did you swing that? i thought it was max $250 purchase?

[snow dragon]

Nah 1250

Oh i see, what ur thinking of is the max amount of cash back you can get

I got $116 of cash back points

[mental hazel]

ohhhh rip, i would have used that on my oled if i knew

i guess i just have to buy more stuff now

[frigid edge]

Yo I dm you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1443381973933359127/1445492116703809557/adtfpz.gif

[gentle pollen]

@languid nimbus red light indicates a issue in the CPU phase of the boot. I read you already tried reseating and swapping drive slots.

Which parts if any do you know work for certain?

For BIOS flash button it usually requires you to:

@languid nimbus
Install BIOS on a USB formatted in Fat32 -> rename the BIOS to for example MSI.ROM for MSI -> plug it into the designated Flash Bios USB port with the PC not on -> Press or hold the Bios Flash Button then let it do it's thing.

[languid nimbus]

Yes sir, that’s what I did. It’s a gigabyte mobo, so I did gigabyte instead of msi of course. I know for a fact the main m.2 slot works (the one above the GPU), because it worked when I first fired up the pc. After that it stopped. I haven’t gotten any further display since, no matter what I do

When I fired it up today for the first time after getting home, this was the light that was lit up. Then later on it swapped to boot.

[gentle pollen]

@languid nimbus was the PC working previously and did you add any new components?

[languid nimbus]

Only worked for a moment when first booting up. Then nothing. No new components since then

[gentle pollen]

Any power outages happen recently?

[languid nimbus]

No sir, just got PC yesterday and nothing since then

[gentle pollen]

Oh the PC is new?

[languid nimbus]

Yes it is

[gentle pollen]

Gotcha.

Do you have a spare GPU or CPU to test with?

Because it's showing a VGA light on your board.

@languid nimbus

[languid nimbus]

I do have a spare GPU, will just have to rewire everything. I wasn’t sure if GPU was the problem or not because this is what it’s saying 99% of the time

[gentle pollen]

@languid nimbus try your other GPU.

Don't worry about it looking nice just seat it all in, clear cmos and try booting.

[languid nimbus]

Kk will try when I can, will be tomorrow unfortunately

[gentle pollen]

Kay.

[dry tinsel]

wifi 7 card recommendations? anyone have any ideas?

[dry tinsel]

found this fenvi that looks good. PCIe unit. works on OSes other than specifically windows 11

[obsidian wigeon]

it uses an intel wifi card or chip

you should be able to get official intel drivers if you can track down the exact module

[dry tinsel]

yeah

if you get the M.2 ones it shows you the thing

but i mean it's hard to figure out if the M.2 style port on my motherboard for wifi is actually M.2

it isn't clear if it's mini PCIe which isn't the same, apparently

[cyan plaza]

Intel has a auto detect if your not sure https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html?iid=dc_IDSA

[jagged berry]

Hello Newegg fam. I need some advice on which case to use for my new build.

Components that I will be using:

GPU: MSI RTX 5080 Suprim Liquid
CPU: 9800x3D
Motherboard: MSI x870 Tomahawk
AIO: Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro 420

With those in mind, I need some advice about using Thermaltake CTE C750 pc case. The way the GPU will be mounted in this case, how will this affect the gpu pump?

[frigid edge]

Is there a specific reason you chose that case? Apparently it’s designed to hold the motherboard sideways

You would also be fine with a 360mm aio

If you switch the aio to a 360mm aio preferably from thermalright, the Corsair 3500X should be great

[jagged berry]

I like the versatility of fans and rads option of this case, especially having a front and side option. I also like using 140mm fans, since they move a little bit more air at a slightly lower rpm. The other case I was looking at is the havn 420 hs. I do plan on not having too many or to no RGB fans either. Really leaning more towards cooling and/or air flow efficiency.

I was actually looking at Corsair 3500x and the 6500d as well. It's been 7-8 years since I built a new PC, so I am not as up-to-date with AIOs. Which thermalright aio would you recommend?

[frigid edge]

Thermalright makes lots of good aios for great pricing

The aqua elite v4, aqua elite v6, and frozen infinity are all good ones

[icy hull]

Larger fans are generally worse for static pressure which is the important part for pushing air through a densely packed radiator or fin stack so it mostly evens out. Any 360 or even 240 aio is going to be way more than capable of handling a 9800x3d. A bigger radiator is just pulling the heat out of the water faster, a 360 can easily and near silently handle ~100W for a 9800x3d. The other factors like mount, cold plate, microfins/jet, pump will all be the same between the 360 and 420. If you were getting an i7/i9/r9 with a higher heat load that's when it could matter more, it still really doesn't make much difference though. Gaming workloads also don't push a cpu nearly as hard as something like rendering or encoding.
The lf iii was really good, arctic managed to screw up the pro version somehow though and it went from near top of the pack to bottom. I'd maybe get a nautilus or a galahad lite instead if you want a no frills high performer in the $100 range.
Top mount is the easiest and least likely to cause problems so I wouldn't get the cte 750 because of that. You'd also have to deal with the i/o ports being in a weird spot unless that is actually more convenient for you and your desk setup.

[jagged berry]

Noted. Although, I'm curious, how did arctic screw up the LF 3 series? Did you mean the top mount is the easiest and [most] likely to cause problems for the GPU pump?

What do you guys think of Lian Li's HydroShift and HydroShift 2?

[icy hull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTHCPsM5ECw
Top is the easiest and the least likely to cause issues with the pump failing or getting crackling from bubbles being suck where you don't want them.

[jagged berry]

The video is very informative!! Thank you!! I guess I'm just confused about your sentence on the "least" and "so I wouldn't get" part when it comes to the top mount

[icy hull]

If you have it mounted vertically on a side panel you have to pay attention to where the highest point is. If it's mounted on the top the highest point is always in the radiator, and not in a bad part of the radiator like the inlet/outlet. The cte 750 you'd have to do a side mount, I wouldn't get a case where you can't do a top mount.

[jagged berry]

I see. With a new AIOs in mind, Lian Li's Galahad, Corsair nautilus rs and CoolerMaster Atmos stealth, im gonna have to start looking into different cases.

[frigid edge]

they are overpriced tho

its like buying an rog astral instead of an asus prime for the same performance

all looks

thermalright aios arent cheap because theyre worse than the competition, theyre actually very competitive

[jagged berry]

Well, I am looking at thermalright as well, with Aqua or frozen.

[frigid edge]

yeah im just saying

[jagged berry]

What do you guys think about the Corsair 6500d case? The airflow one. The Corsair 5400 seems interesting too, but my gut is telling the 3rd chamber is gimmicky.

[icy hull]

I think it's huge. I'd just figure out the look you're going for. As long as you don't get something too closed off the airflow differences will be pretty minimal.

[frigid edge]

expensive and all the panels are mesh so itll be like slightly better in airflow than other cases

and yeah its large

[jagged berry]

I don't mind it being large 😀. My current case, pretty old and raggedy is thermaltake core x71 🤣

[frigid edge]

dang thats tall

[icy hull]

If I was buying a new one now I'd probably get a lian li 217 or something I wanted for aesthetic reasons. I really liked the inwin dubili in champagne and brass but it didn't have a psu shroud which was a deal breaker for me.

[jagged berry]

Geometric Future Model 5 Vent looks pretty interesting. I'm envisioning the build, with this case, to go like this:

-CPU aio mounted in top exhaust or front intake.
-Gpu aio mounted in top exhaust or front intake. (Inlet/outlet on rad facing down)
-3x 140mm bottom fans as intake.
-1 120mm fan rear exhaust.

Thoughts? 👀

[icy hull]

Are you getting a 5090? Aio/hybrid gpus are kind of pointless if not imo.

[jagged berry]

I was gifted a MSI rtx 5080 suprim liquid soc

[frigid edge]

bro what

do you know santa himself??

[fallen sphinx]

That’s quite a gift

[jagged berry]

Mrs. Santa, her I know.

[fallen sphinx]

Wow that’s gonna be a huge case

[jagged berry]

That's why I've been scratching my head about PC cases due to GPU having an aio

[fallen sphinx]

I’m guessing you have nothing except the gpu or everything except case?

[jagged berry]

I have CPU and ram too 🤣

[fallen sphinx]

So only those 3?

[jagged berry]

So far yes.

[fallen sphinx]

Do you want some help with all the other parts?

[jagged berry]

Sure thing!! For motherboard I was looking at the MSi x870 tomahawk. I've been reading so many motherboard manuals. I do plan on using at least 3 m.2 slots, and it seems like this one of the motherboards that doesn't affect pcie x16 if any of the m.2 slot is occupied.

[fallen sphinx]

Why 3? Or do you Alr have them

[jagged berry]

No not yet

[fallen sphinx]

I would just get 1 or maybe 2 bigger ones then 3

Besides the bigger ones usually have better $/gb

[jagged berry]

I either use 3 m2s, and no HDD for less cable. Or use 2 m2, 1 1tb for os, and 1 4tb for software and games installation, and 1 HDD for storage.

[fallen sphinx]

I would say 2 if you’re gonna dual boot, 1 otherwise

[fallen sphinx]

No need for seperate ssd for OS

[jagged berry]

Oh ok

[fallen sphinx]

Yeah just like

Wait do you Alr have that HDD?

[jagged berry]

No, but I was thinking of transporting my current HDD from old build. Nothing fancy, I think it's a 4tb hdd

[fallen sphinx]

If not then I’d probably just say get like 1 huge ssd or 2 medium ssds

[fallen sphinx]

Ah ok

Then yeah

1 big ssd and that hdd should be plenty

Do you have any budget for the parts?

[jagged berry]

Oh as far as for ram, I have the Klevv cras V 6000mhz CL30, which supports AMD expo?

It was the most inexpensive ram I found so i got it before price hikes up even more at the end of the year 🤦🏾

[fallen sphinx]

Yeah

Klevv is rly good too

That should be Hynix A die

So what are you gonna be using this pc for?

[jagged berry]

Ok cool!! And as for as for budget for other components, I guess it depends on the compoment

[fallen sphinx]

Well

Overall budget

For AIO + Mobo + storage + case + psu right?

[jagged berry]

Gaming, entertainment, and Mrs Santa might borrow it for occasional Photoshop editing if her PC has something else running

[fallen sphinx]

What cpu do you have currently?

[jagged berry]

Oh, no budget. My original budget was no more $3500 for overall build. But I did expect to be gifted with this gpu

[fallen sphinx]

Wait

Oh ok

[jagged berry]

Im using a 9700k with a 2080 GPU 👀. Please don't judge.

[fallen sphinx]

No you’re alg

[jagged berry]

Didn't expect*

[fallen sphinx]

You said you Alr had the cpu, which cpu is it?

[jagged berry]

Oh, I got the 9800x3d

[fallen sphinx]

Ahh nice nice

[jagged berry]

It was on sale for $399

[fallen sphinx]

Ooh that’s a pretty cool deal

[jagged berry]

But yea, I don't have storage, PSU, mobo, and case yet.

[fallen sphinx]

Alr

AIO too correct?

[jagged berry]

No aio yet

[fallen sphinx]

Alr

Is WiFi 6 good enough?

Or a 2.5gbps Ethernet port

[jagged berry]

I was originally planning on getting the arctic LF3 pro 420, but with @icy hull and @frigid edge help, I'm now leaning towards 360 AIOs from Lian li, cm, thermalright and corsair

I will be using direct connection. Though Bluetooth capability would be nice

[fallen sphinx]

LF3 pro is like 90$ rn for a 360

You can’t beat that

Higher end cooling at the lower end price

[jagged berry]

Oh... Hmm lol ok

[fallen sphinx]

Lian li is eh, cm idk, and thermalright is the deep4cheap stuff, corsair i would only consider titan rx but its kinda pricy for what it is

[jagged berry]

I see I see.

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZMCKyW this plus the case

And ima be totally honest, 9800x3d is design limited for thermals, you DONT need any better cooler realistically

Unless you want it to be flush with the case with a 420mm

[jagged berry]

Isn't crucial ending their consumer side business soon? 😩

[fallen sphinx]

Well

Oh

Wait it’s ssds too?

[jagged berry]

A reliable one that won't die in 3 years 👀

[fallen sphinx]

Hold up lemme go search again

[jagged berry]

Thoughts on Samsung 990 pro 4tb? Currently on sale on Amazon for 330

[fallen sphinx]

I mean

Eh

For pcie 4 nah

Nm790 is like 50$ less

[jagged berry]

Does 5.0 really make a big difference?

[fallen sphinx]

Well

Eh

[jagged berry]

I don't mind using gen 4 honestly

[fallen sphinx]

For anything but photoshop not really

Alr then

[jagged berry]

My goal for this build is to make it last, just as long as my current one has lasted me

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FjGwTM

Smth like this

[jagged berry]

Ohhh

Bookmarked*

Thoughts on Corsair rm1000x PSU? I've never used or heard of montech before

[fallen sphinx]

Montech PSUs are amazing

Corsair psus are overpriced

[icy hull]

Do you care about the usb4 ports? If you don't and you do care about support for more than 2 nvmes just get a b850.

[jagged berry]

What would usb4 be beneficial for other than high speed data transfer?

[icy hull]

That and displayport out on the igpu.

[fallen sphinx]

Honestly it makes a board worse by using up more lanes

[jagged berry]

Sorry I'm not familiar with the new things on motherboards 🤣

[icy hull]

So like a fast external drive or lots of monitors connected to igpu outputs.

[jagged berry]

If that's the case, the I do care more about more nvmes usage than usb4

So I'm reading the gigabyte x870's manual, and it says "M2B_SB (4x4) and M2C_SB (4x2) share bandwidth; M2B_SB will run at x2 if M2C_SB is occupied." Does this mean if I do decide to occupy all slots, does this mean one of them will run slower?

[gentle pollen]

Montech Century II power supplies are of equal quality to a lot of Corsair's higher end models without the price tag since it's a smaller company.

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vGjhRV here if you want the b850 instead

[fallen sphinx]

Also the 1200w century 2 (overkill) is 50$ less then the rm1000x

[icy hull]

That board has one gen 5x4 from the cpu lanes, one gen 4 x4 from chipset lanes and the option to split that into two separate gen 4 x2 from chipset lanes.

[gentle pollen]

@fallen sphinx
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2-atx-motherboards-amd-am5/p/2MG-000K-002K4?item=9SIADFRKDK3405

$99 Gigglebitty Gaming X v2 board.

[icy hull]

So yeah if you use both the secondary ones they'd be slower.

[jagged berry]

I see.

[gentle pollen]

3x M.2 and WiFi 6.

[gentle pollen]

@jagged berry if you want to save some money and want good performance/value I strongly recommend this.

[jagged berry]

Would b850s and 650 support zen 6 later on? 👀

[gentle pollen]

Yes.

[jagged berry]

Ohhhhh

[gentle pollen]

All part of the AM5 platform.

[fallen sphinx]

Well he want 850 and he’s not on a budget

[jagged berry]

It's my first Amd platform. And it sounds like heaven to me already

[icy hull]

That one is a used/refurbished one which is why it's cheap. The only difference between b650 and b850 is b850 the cpu connected m.2 is mandatory gen5 instead of gen 4 or 5, and nearly all b850 have a gen 5 gpu slot too.

[jagged berry]

The most i would spend on the motherboard I guess is $350

[icy hull]

That's not mandatory but there are only a couple that don't.

[gentle pollen]

To be clear you do understand that 800 series vs 600 series chipset is only a difference in Required PCIe 5.0 and USB 4.0 on higher end models?

Oh he just sent what I sent.

I need to go now.

Best of luck to y'all.

[icy hull]

You should always just look at the spec of an individual board. That's where the differences will be. The chipset is just laying out some rules for min spec and some possibilities for max spec.

[gentle pollen]

Buy smart.

[fallen sphinx]

if you want a b850 id get the one i sent

if you want a b650 get the one he sent

both will be great

[icy hull]

b850 gaming x wifi 6e is also where I'd be for a good value option.

[jagged berry]

I read something about that last night, where 850s are pretty much 650s. And 870s are just like 850s but with slight increase in lanes, and 870e is essentially an 870 but with more focused on usb4

[icy hull]

870e has two chipsets so 4 extra lanes available. x870 non-e is just regular single chipset board with mandatory usb4.

[jagged berry]

Ohhhh that I can understand.

[icy hull]

x670 and x670e also were double chipset boards. They shifted the naming scheme up for 800 series.

[jagged berry]

Oh and i found this comparison chart 2 days ago.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/htmlview#gid=1502922237

[fallen sphinx]

yeah id get either the b650 or the b850 i sent

for case

https://www.amazon.com/NZXT-Flow-Dual-Chamber-Mid-Tower-Back-Connect/dp/B0DQPPKNSS i dont like nzxt but WOW its a good case and decently cheap

[jagged berry]

Choosing between Gigabyte b850 gaming and MSI mag b850 tomahawk. Thoughts? 👀

Also, would there be a performance difference in gaming, since rtx 5000 series card support pcie 5.0 but these boards are pcie 4.0?

[fallen sphinx]

eh

just get the one i sent

tomahawk is eh

230$ for it is NOT worth it though

[icy hull]

The x670e tomahawk is about the same price for an upgraded model from that b850 gaming x.

[fallen sphinx]

just get the b850 gaming x for a higher end

[icy hull]

That's like lower midrange imo. Good enough but basic with no extra features.

[jagged berry]

Hmmmm

[fallen sphinx]

highest end needed for anyone but extreme overclockers

or some niche things

[jagged berry]

Question, I'll be new to pbo settings but I've read that there's some setting I can tweak to limit 9800x3d power to bring down it's temp without affecting fps

Is that a thing?

I'm referring to this video, at 9:25 mark

https://youtu.be/Cd3iwFTadoo?si=AhgIQbrcgTpTxIAk

[snow dragon]

You can cap the power but that can affect your frame rate if you go too far low or if you become more cpu bound

The better thing to do is use curve optimizer

Which he does set later on in the video

The stability of that will vary per cpu though

[jagged berry]

I see. So it's all in the CPU, and not much on the motherboards

[icy hull]

A tomahawk is pretty far from an xoc board.

It's like a reasonable upgrades but not into the paying for pointless stuff midrange board.

[jagged berry]

I guess for motherboards, I'm really looking forward to using all m.2 slots without sacrificing speed of each slot, though I wouldn't mind it affecting usb4 or other pcie slots (other than where the GPU is seated)

And I'm guessing all of these motherboards will have the capability of doing, whatever the guy did on the video, regardless of the brand.

[jagged berry]

Is montech titan good too?

[icy hull]

The psu? Yeah. Might be kind of expensive though.

[jagged berry]

It's 190 on amzn

Is power efficiency between plat and gold make that much of a difference?

If not, then I'll get the montech century

[icy hull]

It's about 2% less power wasted from the wall. The century ii or msi a1000gs are good value. The sale on the 1000W be quiet 13m ended or I would have said that. It was $112 a few days instead of $150 and I picked one up to replace my annoyingly loud psu.

[fallen sphinx]

Just get century II

1050w, 850w, 1200w, all will work for you

all great prices

[snow dragon]

Pretty much up until a certain point

Where the vrm on the board is so bad that it can hurt performance even in lighter loads like gaming

[jagged berry]

I'll do some more reading and watching tonight about the parts that were recommended and suggested here. Hopefully I can come up with a final build. Thanks guys!

[jagged berry]

is it better to pull air from rad, or push air through the rad?

or push-pull, though i know this setup has minimal effect to temp difference

[hollow gulch]

push pull will always be best

its just if your case can fit it with clearance

[hollow gulch]

theyre the same prom21 chipsets with minor tweaks

same with the x870

[wide drum]

Anyone know of a recent HP laptop that would be a powerhouse for Adobe creative suite workflows that would be suitable for an Enterprise environment?

[hollow gulch]

why HP

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PKXMnQ/lian-li-galahad-ii-lite-rgb-79-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ga2l36rb use this aio, its better than the lf3 pro

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YjqNnQ/asrock-x870-livemixer-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-x870-livemixer-wifi better board

[jagged berry]

Trying to avoid ASRock boards and Asus 👀

From what I've been reading so far, seems like the pump on the Galahad series tends to fail quite often

[frigid edge]

asus is perfectly fine

but you are right to avoid asrock mobos for high end am5

[jagged berry]

I'm now leaning with the Havn 420 Vgpu, It comes with the 5.0 gpu bracket and 2 fan hubs pre-installed.

[icy hull]

Most fans will have a bit better static pressure in push. You were getting 9800x3d right? I'd also be givign asrock a skip if so.

[jagged berry]

Yes that's correct, I have the cpu already. Had to get it while it was on sale, before it goes back to regular price XD

[fallen sphinx]

yeah get the gigabyte one then

[jagged berry]

So... i was scavenging through my "tech spare part" box. and i found an unopened box of 990 pro 1tb. i don't remember when and where i got this from lol. so this is a win i guess

[jagged berry]

Do all AM5 platforms' pciex16 bifurcate when an nvme slot is occupied/used?

[hollow gulch]

nothing wrong with asrock and asus

[snow dragon]

~9 months strong with asrock

[hollow gulch]

ive had customers buy pcs with them and theyve all been fine, same with asrock boards 90% of my builds use asrock

even if it does fail

you have warranty

dont lose anything

[snow dragon]

Not all boards do it but a lot do

I think most do

We love unused lanes

[hollow gulch]

only if you spend about $400 will you get a board that doesnt share lanes

[snow dragon]

yurr

[hollow gulch]

and still depends on the model because even expensive ones share lanes

[snow dragon]

If you have a card that uses 16 lanes and do not run out of vram, this should not be an issue at all

[hollow gulch]

unless you have a super highend gpu but even then its like a few % difference in performance

[snow dragon]

At the max pretty much

Only a 5090 is starting to saturate pcie 3

[icy hull]

What are you guys talking about? It's mostly the more expensive end with x870 and x870e that would take lanes away from your GPU.

[icy hull]

This is also wrong and backwards

[hollow gulch]

it will saturate gen4

[icy hull]

The main situation where you'll use more pcie badnwidth is if you're running out of vram. Which is more likely on the cheap 8gb cards.

[jagged berry]

Does the MSI x870 and x670e tomahawk Bifurcate?

[hollow gulch]

yes both

[icy hull]

Bifurcation in regards to a motherboard can mean a few different things.

[hollow gulch]

like i said if you want a motherboard to not share lanes when however many are populated you have to spend 2x as much

@jagged berry the asrock board i sent does not share any lanes with the top slot 5x16

[icy hull]

Can you have two slots running at x8 is called bifurcation. Can you have multiple devices on a single slot like a raid card or a splitter, that's also called bifurcation. The thing you were asking about with an m.2 slot or two which would knock the primary x16 for the gpu down to x8 I guess you could call that bifurcation but I'd call it lane sharing or somethin.g

[frigid edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205760412507840572/1382867848552124488/1x.webp

[jagged berry]

on the manual for tomahawk x870, it notes: "PCI_E3 slot will run at x2 speed when installing device in the M2_3 slot. You
can switch PCI_E3 slot to x4 in the BIOS, but this will disable the M2_3 slot."

Is this what bifurcating mean?

[hollow gulch]

yes

[jagged berry]

ahh i see

[hollow gulch]

it shares a lane with that other m.2

[hollow gulch]

the asrock i sent will disable 2 usb4 ports when m.2s are fully populated

if youd prefer that

[icy hull]

That's how the tomahawks do it too. r/msi doesn't have a list of people with dead 9800x3ds like r/asrock does though.

[jagged berry]

this x870 board doesn't seem to affect pciex16 then

[hollow gulch]

ive used about 40 asrock boards in builds to sell to customers and they are all fine

just make sure youre on latest bios

[icy hull]

am5 cpus have 24 gen 5 lanes to use and 4 gen 4. 16 have to go to the main gpu slot, 4 have to go to a primary nvme, 4 are at the mobo maker's discretion and the 4 gen 4 are the connection to the chipset.

[jagged berry]

asrock was nice until too many reports of dying 9800x3d started popping up. that kinda left fear in me ><

[icy hull]

Those discretion ones can be used for whatever, whether that's a secondary m.2, some usbs or whatever they want to put.

[hollow gulch]

@heavy surge @jagged berry

.

[icy hull]

They've said they fixed it before, twice before I think. I'd just take a pass on them.

[hollow gulch]

but like i said even if that does happen which is very highly unlikely, you have warranty

also its not just asrock https://www.techpowerup.com/328838/msi-releases-brief-statement-regarding-ryzen-7-9800x3d-damage-incident?cp=2

[icy hull]

True. It was just a lot higher prevalence on asrock.

Just like when it happened in the early days of 7800x3d it wasn't just asus or gigabyte. It was only mostly asus and gigabyte.

[hollow gulch]

idk man if ive used over 40 boards and none of them have died, it has to be a very very small sample size

people just make a big deal about it on reddit and shit

[jagged berry]

i totally respect it. I'll let it marinate and see if i can consider asrock. But for now, i'm leaning towards MSI X870 Tomahawk. I would've love to get the x670e Tomahawk, but i couldn't find one that is not refurbished or absurdly overpriced ><

[icy hull]

Supposedly they switched back to their old bios chip vendor and that had something to do with it.

I mean they switched back because of this.

[jagged berry]

didn't GN cover this awhile ago?

[hollow gulch]

theres also asus and giga boards reported doing it, it seems to be a bigger issue

[jagged berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9vLnNOBaSs

this

[snow dragon]

The odds of it happening are very low but asrock cases are still much more than the other boards combined

Odds are still very low though

[icy hull]

It's $235 on amazon which is cheaper than the x870 tomahawk. 3rd party seller though. x670e tuf plus wifi for $210 atbest buy is also one I'd consider if you want something nicer than the b850 gaming x.

[fallen sphinx]

honestly

just avoid them, better safe then sorry

[hollow gulch]

asrock boards are just so well priced

x870 with crazy good i/o for $189

[icy hull]

I do like the livemixer series now that they got rid of the graffiti.

[hollow gulch]

they sexy

[fallen sphinx]

wow thats one overkill I/o

[hollow gulch]

yuuup

[snow dragon]

I know, asrock boards look great

Even the cheap ones

[snow dragon]

[fallen sphinx]

but i mean... this is gigabyte and its still more than enough

[hollow gulch]

better image

[fallen sphinx]

and also no usb4

[icy hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6mCCmG/asus-tuf-gaming-b650e-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b650e-plus-wifi This is another good one with some upgrades for $10 more if you wanted to stay under $200.

[jagged berry]

i just watched the video. looks like burn was caused most likely due to user error

[hollow gulch]

yes bad/unsafe bios settings

usually the culprit

[icy hull]

Wendell had a good video on it too. He was buying some boards that had killed cpus and trying to kill another one. Some of the ones he bought the socket was mangled from people putting the cpus in wrong.

[hollow gulch]

or that

i would get the livemixer personally, i built with the x870, wonderful experience

i also built with b850

[snow dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[jagged berry]

ok fam here are my top contenders for motherboards to choose from, numbered in priority:

1. MSI x870 Tomahawk - $260
2. Asus x670e TUF - $220
3. Gigabyte B850 Gaming X - $160
4. ASRock x870 LiveMixer - $190

For PSU, my top picks are:

1. Be Quiet Power Zone 2 1000W - $150
2. Montech Century 2 1050w - $100
3. Corsair RM1000X - $170

[hollow gulch]

The centry is technically 1050w

[jagged berry]

thank you!! i forgot XD

[hollow gulch]

This one is on sale https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rtD7YJ/adata-xpg-cybercore-1000-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cybercore1000-bkcus

$90

[jagged berry]

never heard of 'em

O:

[icy hull]

It's good. Not atx 3 though.

[hollow gulch]

Its rated A+ on SPL

So the highest rating you can achieve

But yeah if you need 12vhpwr dont get it

[jagged berry]

i actually do need one

[hollow gulch]

The adapter is fine but the real connector is just better

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gDTFf7/sama-p1200-1200-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-p1200-bkpff001-us

This one is also very good

1200w platinum for $140

A Tier

Comes with dual 12vhpwr too

[hollow gulch]

Also i wouldnt get the gigabyte out of all those its the lowest quality

Meh board

[jagged berry]

So the things I currently have are:

CPU: 9800x3d - $400
GPU: MSI Rtx 5080 Suprim Liquid SoC - from Mrs. Santa, I think she got it on sale for $1400
RAM: Klevv Cras V 32gb 6000Mhz Cl30 - $290

Things I'm shopping for are:

Motherboard:
PSU:
AIO: LF3 Pro 420 or GA 2 Lite Perf
Case: HAVN 420 VGPU (most likely)
Storage(s):
Peripherals (Fans mainly):

[hollow gulch]

I would get the galahad i showed earlier performs better than the lf3 pro same price

[hollow gulch]

How much storage do you need

[jagged berry]

as many slot i can use on a board Lol

[hollow gulch]

What for

Also nand is in high demand so id stick to one ssd for now, and buy more when prices come down

[jagged berry]

though, @fallen sphinx suggested the Lexar nm790, which i think is nice since it runs cooler than any other SSDs currently

[hollow gulch]

NM790 is eh

I'd rather have the 990 pro for a bit more

[fallen sphinx]

its like a 50$ difference

not worth it

[hollow gulch]

When youre spending $300 on storage id like to have the best

[jagged berry]

oh i did find an unopened box of 990 pro 1tb, i mentioned earlier. I don't remember when and where i got it from, but i have it lol

[hollow gulch]

At least for a main drive

[fallen sphinx]

you can get a pcie 5 drive atp though

for "barely more"

so its just an endless cycle of spending more money

[hollow gulch]

You mean $100 more? Gen5 ain't worth it

[fallen sphinx]

50$ more

same price difference as nm790 and 990 pro

and WAY better

or even less of a difference

[jagged berry]

i'm more of a slap it in and forget about it type of storage guy. no gimmicks, just need good endurance, and good cooling capacity on an ssd.

[fallen sphinx]

if you got a GC or GE pro

[fallen sphinx]

well uh

[jagged berry]

XD

i know i know

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nZRnTW/teamgroup-t-force-ge-pro-airflow-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-50-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fg3004t0c133 what about a whole fan on the ssd

[icy hull]

That was the problem with the early gen 5 controllers. They were terrible.

Like 3-4W idling.

[hollow gulch]

Them mfs toasty

[fallen sphinx]

well theres a whole fan on this one so no heat issues

[jagged berry]

i've read 990 pros do run hot as well because of dram?

[icy hull]

That's about as desirable as the awful little fan they put on x570s.

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rx79sp this would be what id get

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sLMrzP get the century

[hollow gulch]

The sama is just nice bc the extra wattage and two 12vhpwr connectors

Platinum slight bump in efficiency

[fallen sphinx]

2 connectors doesnt matter its a single gpu

and the extra wattage doesnt matter its a 5080, 1050w is alr pretty good headroom

[hollow gulch]

You know not what the future holds there's already cards with two 12vhpwr connectors

Chad cards

[jagged berry]

lol

[fallen sphinx]

those cards will need a better psu than 1200w

[hollow gulch]

They're pulling under 1000w still

Actually well under

[icy hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rwxP2x That's where I'd be at. None of these are unreasonable though.

[hollow gulch]

Unless you go full xoc mode but that requires more cooling

[fallen sphinx]

2tb? for 162?

also nah not the msi one

[jagged berry]

I was considering the Flux pro and inwin's dubili.

[hollow gulch]

The flux is a great case

Can do 420mm too

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PqGNfd here

[hollow gulch]

Why we downgrading the board

Wtv

[jagged berry]

ohhhh meshify 3 xl seems nice too

[jagged berry]

No extreme overclock. It'll take me some time to learn how to OC on am5 platform since this is my first one.

[hollow gulch]

ram should be the first thing you tune

itll have the biggest impact on performance

[jagged berry]

That's the amd expo for right?

[cinder gulch]

This RAM is not available anymore? Was looking for it

[jagged berry]

I am not sure if Newegg even carried them. I got mine from another retailer. It was either Klevv cras v for $290 or the g skill flare x5 for $370. Just so happened the klevv was on sale

[devout ocean]

For those in the used market, where's the best place to get a used GPU? I see a used 5070 ti for 575 USD

[cinder gulch]

Yeah, Newegg never carried them was just looking for any availability where you did buy it

[jagged berry]

From Mc

[wheat zealot]

Just waiting on the cooler now

[frigid edge]

why did you get that gpu man

[frigid edge]

then get it

[wheat zealot]

only $100

[fallen sphinx]

You Alr have a 6800 though no?

[wheat zealot]

This isn’t my build

[fallen sphinx]

Ah

[wheat zealot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jnvLh7

I don't think I did too bad

tax is included

as well

[fallen sphinx]

Ram kinda stinks but that’s the market rn

[wheat zealot]

yup, I'll take free ram any day tho haha.

[frigid edge]

oh dang ok

how

[rustic imp]

can someone check this idk if its all good

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hxtbFZ

[fallen sphinx]

Super overpriced

What are you using this pc for?

[rustic imp]

like just gaming i think ima be real i have no lcue how to do this i just trhrew stuff together

[fallen sphinx]

Ok then

Do you want it to be white I’m guessing?

[rustic imp]

preferably but idrc if its black too

[fallen sphinx]

Do you want value or just high end

[rustic imp]

itd be good to get it cheaper but i just dont know how or like what is good to replace on the list or what

[fallen sphinx]

I’m making it for you dw

[rustic imp]

oh what tysm

i was so lost lol

[fallen sphinx]

Do you want like a fish tank case?

That’s the one with the glass in the front

[jagged berry]

For cpu, since you're getting the MSI Pro X870, MC has a bundle for it with 9800x3d + MSI x870 Pro for 479.99

[rustic imp]

yeah

[fallen sphinx]

Thats instore only though

[jagged berry]

oh yeah. forgot

[fallen sphinx]

Are you at all near a microcenter?

[rustic imp]

yeah

[jagged berry]

i'm about 40 minutes away from one location

[fallen sphinx]

Ok I’d get the uh 9800x3d he mentioned there then

Other things, maybe look for a 9070xt

[frigid edge]

what a name

[jagged berry]

nvm they changed the price :\

[fallen sphinx]

Oooh reaper is 580

[jagged berry]

and the mobo to x870e

[fallen sphinx]

I think

That’s a typo

Yeah it’s a code error

When you click on it it’s the rog one

[jagged berry]

yeah

BUT

with the cpu he wants 9950x3d with msi x870e pro for 749.99

[fallen sphinx]

He’s gaming

Don’t get the 9950

[jagged berry]

ohh

[fallen sphinx]

Honestly just get this

[rustic imp]

should i get like a 7800x3d

yeah that

[fallen sphinx]

You uh

Might wanna go a black and white build

And buy the ram like rn

[rustic imp]

why is it like on sale or smth

[fallen sphinx]

Well

Ram prices are horrible

And this is 40$ cheaper than any other option and it’s good ram

[jagged berry]

for RAM, maybe this https://www.microcenter.com/product/702581/klevv-cras-v-rgb-32gb-(2-x-16gb)-ddr5-6000-pc5-48000-cl30-dual-channel-desktop-memory-kit-5agu880-60a300j-brilliant-white

[fallen sphinx]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D8PN66PR?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[fallen sphinx]

310? Hell no

[jagged berry]

just trying to match the spec he had on pcpart

for slightly cheaper price

[fallen sphinx]

Yeah uh… he didn’t put good ram on there in the first place

Get the one I sent

[rustic imp]

whats good ram i thought just like the hrtz and cl matter and size

[fallen sphinx]

There’s a lot of things

But just get the one I sent, it’ll be your best bet

[jagged berry]

Idk about any specifics, but i've always had bad luck with corsair ram. so never again

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QnKRLc for the whole list here

[rustic imp]

so like is this better i kept both rams to rmemeber but added the one you sent

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dPGD6Q

oh what

tysm i forgot abt that

[fallen sphinx]

GPU/CPU/MOBO @ Microcenter

[cinder gulch]

Is the CL28 6000 on that ram link you sent for $272 not super fast or what’s the catch here

[fallen sphinx]

What ram

99.999% chance it’s oos

Also this ram can run that with some overclocking anyways

[wheat zealot]

The Newegg doorbuster deal

[weary galleon]

Wait a real person actually got one? Damn, thought it was all bots

[cinder gulch]

Vibes = bot lol

[wheat zealot]

Yeah I was so shocked, I got it on my phone too. Was about to leave for work and was like might as well try.

[cinder gulch]

Totally believe you 😝

[cinder gulch]

The Klevv link you posted just above. Click black instead of white, the CL28 6000mhz

[icy hull]

Klevv is hynix's brand and 6000 28 would even be a good bin.

[cinder gulch]

Yes, this one is faster than the white one in the link about by Quok? I believe 6000 also, but CL28 instead of CL30 like th link

Or is there a catch here, that I’m missing for $272

[icy hull]

Delivery is likely about a month out but other than that looks good to me.

[cinder gulch]

Ok I snagged it. Best deal I’ve found for that since starting of Black Friday

For that speed

[hollow gulch]

Hello Yumi

[fallen sphinx]

Not worth an extra 30$

[frigid edge]

danggg

[cinder gulch]

The $30 less one is a 5600 in black

5600 CL30

[fallen sphinx]

At 1.25…

Which means it can do FAR better super easily

[snow dragon]

[gentle pollen]

Not really. The voltage needed for each drop in a tighter timing is exponential for Hynix A and Hynix M, not linear.

The 6000cl28@1.4v can usually do 6400cl26 at 1.55v VDD but those below average bins will typically need 1.7v VDD to accomplish the same which is drastically harder to cool.

[fallen sphinx]

Well it’s 5600 cl30 @1.25

[desert phoenix]

I have no idea how to build a pc or even the best specs can anyone like help me build one?

[hollow gulch]

whats your budget and usecase

[desert phoenix]

My budget is like $2,000-$3,000

And what is a usecase

[hollow gulch]

Meaning what are you doing with the pc

Also what country are you from

[desert phoenix]

I’m from America. It’s going to be used for gaming specifically Fortnite and streaming

[jagged berry]

Mmmmm are you willing to build one or would you prefer buying a pre built?

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jChL6Q
https://www.ebay.com/itm/236320941652 https://www.ebay.com/itm/167980294553

Dram and nand is currently very expensive due to shortage thats why I gave used options

Down the line you can get another larger ssd once prices come down, or find a deal on a good 2tb depending on how much space you need

[desert phoenix]

Ok thanks a bunch

[hollow gulch]

Np lmk if you need anything else

[rustic imp]

was wondeing how this looked this is my first build and im kinda lost mighta made mistakes

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vsBJsp

[hollow gulch]

Nand and dram prices have skyrocketed due to ai demand, you should buy a used ssd and ram

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wh43Kq

[hollow gulch]

Use these ebay deals @rustic imp

[hollow gulch]

.

[rustic imp]

thank you

[hollow gulch]

Np lmk if you need anything else

https://tenor.com/view/yumi-tgc-yumi-tgc-the-group-chat-larrycroft-gif-12844036944410709987

[cerulean portal]

Hey y'all. My motherboard is a ROG Strix X870-A gaming wifi.

It has 2x SATA 6gb/s ports

I don't know what the name of the 6gb connector is though.

It looks like SATA power, but am sure it's not

[weary galleon]

Sata data cable

[cerulean portal]

I'm trying to connect 2.5" laptop drives. The data connector on those is smaller I think. What's the difference?

[weary galleon]

2.5" SATA has the same connector as larger 3.5" drives

Data left, power right

[cerulean portal]

Ya

[weary galleon]

Yup

[cerulean portal]

That's the same data connector as my motherboard? Really?

Seems way bigger on the mb

[weary galleon]

I mean if it's a normal SATA connector it should be the same size as the mobo

[cerulean portal]

Huh. Ok

Any idea how many I can connect to one port?

[weary galleon]

One drive per port afaik

Might be able to split but not sure

[icy hull]

If you need more get a pcie add in card.

[weary galleon]

Best bet if you need more SATA ports would be a pcie card

[cerulean portal]

I saw stuff talking about connecting multiple in raid. Ik my motherboard supports 0/1/5/10.

Only looking to connect them seperately without raid though

[weary galleon]

You can run them in raid but that's different than plugging them into the same port

[cerulean portal]

I have like 5 old laptop 2.5" drives to use though. Lol

Wouldn't you connect them all to one port if using raid?

[weary galleon]

Don't think so

This would add 4 more ports
https://a.co/d/cqfXsKt

[cerulean portal]

Thanks

Need to read my mb manual on whether that would cut into lanes used by my m.2 or gpu though

Was hoping to avoid that. Lol

[weary galleon]

Don't think it will since it's pcie 1x

Good to double check with your mobo specifically though

[icy hull]

The secondary slots will be through the chip set. It might be one shares bandwidth with an m.2

[jagged berry]

is the contact frame for AM5 platform purely for aesthetics, or does it actually help with cooling?

[hollow gulch]

Its useful for liquid metal applications too, the contact frame does pretty much nothing, maybe slightly better mounting pressure/eveness? But it wont change you temps more than margin of error. The contact frame for lga1700 was useful because of the cpu bending issue. Which doesnt apply to am5.

[gentle pollen]

A quality Contact Frame will help with:

• Even mounting pressure (makes a difference for overclocking/stability)

• Good contact frames come with a foam pad to make it much safer to apply liquid metals which do make a massive cooling difference.

• Secures the CPU into the socket much better than the standard ILM which helps with transportation.

[dense ridge]

So i bought a prebuilt from best buy. Asus GM700. It has a Ryzen 7 8700F, 32GB RAM, and a 5060Ti. The build has a 600W PSU and im just wondering if i should upgrade it to at least a 750w and if so, which one?

[stoic island]

Are you trying to upgrade something else in the build?

[frigid edge]

Unless you are upgrading the cpu and gpu then no, there is no need to upgrade the psu

[dense ridge]

not rn, since i just got the build

[dense ridge]

got it

[split cliff]

I have the main C drive of windows os installed on the m.2 in Blazing (the top one)

where do i install my 2nd m.2?
The middle? or the bottom section where it says Armor

2nd one is mainly used for games storage, i’ll be playing games from there

[icy hull]

Which specific board is it? Steel legend is a whole series.

[split cliff]

x670e

[icy hull]

All three of the other slots are gen4x4 through the chipset so it doesn't matter which. If it doesn't have its own heatsink use one of the bottom two.

[split cliff]

ah ok, ty!

also this broke off…. it won’t cause any issues with the GPU right?

[weary galleon]

Um

That's what like locks in the gpu pcie slot

[split cliff]

the piece will stay there if i put it back but it’s broken off

if i push in the GPU it “clicks”

so….

[austere quarry]

qustion, I have three systems I'm gonna convert to open air and looking at risers, have two asus b550s and one msi x870e, 5060ti and 5070 respectively, trying to decide what brand is best/reliable. I have used a thermaltake pci 3.0 riser in the past, but not sure what's good now

[icy hull]

Sometimes they are just held with little friction pegs and click into place. Sometimes they snap in half when you break them. It's not vital though no. If it's broken it makes a support bracket/stick for the gpu into an even better idea that it would have been.

[weary galleon]

In that case it may be the locking mechanism is ok and just the tab you press to unlock it broke

[frigid edge]

how did you do that

[frigid edge]

It’s supposed to do that to lock the gpu in

please go watch some quick pc building YouTube shorts

[snow dragon]

How bro gonna take it out

Oh I see

Well I guess you could push down on that part with a pencil or something else

With my other board I would push down with a pencil on the eraser side to take out my card because the tab was so small

[frigid edge]

@valid hollow Is that the montech XR in your latest build?

[valid hollow]

Yep!

[frigid edge]

How is it? decent case for the money?

any cool features?

[wheat zealot]

Montech always makes good cases

I built in a 903 max and it came so neat & super easy to build in.

[frigid edge]

pov you reply within the minute but the recipient dips

https://tenor.com/view/112263-james-franco-jake-epping-bridge-water-gif-11032622951672710892

them after responding ^

[wheat zealot]

😂

[valid hollow]

It’s prolly the best 60-70$ dual glass/fish tank case there is. Nothing stands out to make it great except the included 3x fans, two being reverse blade. Aside from that it just does what it needs to do with no real complaints.

But a case like the 89-99$ O11D Mini V2 stomps all over this.

[frigid edge]

Gotcha thanks

[icy hull]

It's okay. I'd probably go for a lian li v100r instead or spend more for something with bottom fans if you want some better airflow. Maybe thermaltake v290 if you think curved glass looks better than square.

[fallen sphinx]

If we had these prices rn and the TikTok code worked for that 9070xt I bet you could start to near 1000$ 9070xt build

[hearty wind]

i have a pc question. this is my first time ever encountering this issue. i just got a new pc and every time i restart my pc, not turn it off and on, restart. it stays on a black screen on my monitor, it says my hdmi isnt connected on my second monitor (like my gpu isnt outputting a picture), and the screen of my aio cooler goes off. i cant load into bios or anything. but if i turn the power off and on, it works just fine. also its not the graphics drivers. ive already rolled back my drivers and it didnt fix it. any ideas?

it almost seems like its having issues with booting from windows from my ssd, but that doesnt make any sense because it boots just fine when its turned on

[fallen sphinx]

OK I want a new 2TB ssd, currently looking at the 990 EP for 177, it’s gonna be used for Linux (maybe daily) and game storage, so dram not an issue, any other options to look at?

USA

[snow dragon]

I wonder how lexar is doing

ight

[fallen sphinx]

[snow dragon]

This market making samsung drives not look overpriced

Crazy shit

[fallen sphinx]

Yah

Any other good options I don’t really care about brand as long as it’s not like adata

[snow dragon]

There is the aorus gen 4 7300 for 150 and the spatium m461 for 150 as well

I don't know about the aorus though besides it has tlc

Incredible

[fallen sphinx]

Ooh

Cs3140 is selling again

[fallen sphinx]

That’s 5000/4200

Gigabyte one is

7300/6850

Cs3140 is 7500/6850

And dram

[fallen sphinx]

I believe the cs3140 looks the best

[snow dragon]

Oh both gigabyte and pny have dram

[snow dragon]

At this point it is a matter of which can hold out for longer without folding

And that idk at all

Probably doesn't matter either so pick whichever looks better to you

[fallen sphinx]

Hmmm