building-and-recc-chat

[tame kindle]

you mean

notice pixels right

[plucky timber]

yes

[tame kindle]

wait so

[tame kindle]

would a 21 inch 1080p monitor, look just as good as a 27inch 1440p monitor?

[plucky timber]

ehhhh

yeah

?

[tame kindle]

you know downsampling ?

[plucky timber]

in theory if the ppi and viewing distance is the same

[tame kindle]

do you think like downsampling to 1440p on a 1080p monitor would make a difference

[plucky timber]

then yes it would "look" as good

[plucky timber]

???????/

[tame kindle]

????

[plucky timber]

what are you trying to accomplish by this?

[tame kindle]

like if lets say in games you see some pixels, and if you downsample to 1080p, would that make a difference

[plucky timber]

from what?

what are the parameters?

are you on a 1440p monitor?

[tame kindle]

noo 1080p

[plucky timber]

are you rendering an image at 1440p

and then outputting it at 1080p

[tame kindle]

okay so

lets say im playing stellar blade, i notice pixelation-y at the edges and hair, and now monitor is 1920 x 1080, now if i downsample it from 1440p, would that make a difference

[plucky timber]

so are you rendering the image at 1440p

and then outputting it onto a 1080p display

[tame kindle]

yes

[languid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-tom-and-jerry-impatient-walk-around-circles-gif-20355711

[plucky timber]

you can do that with the resolution scaler

and there's a very simple reason why people don't do that

it's inefficient

Anti-aliasing is far more efficient

or just upscaling the image in the first place

you can use dlss or fsr to upscale a 1080p image to 1440p

with far less performance penalty

[tame kindle]

whats that ?

[plucky timber]

it sets the scale of which your image is rendered

[tame kindle]

so like, would doing that downsampling, make the pixelation in the edges and hair better?

[plucky timber]

what downsampling?

are you referring to upscaling using dlss

[tame kindle]

rednering 1440p then outputting to 1080p

[plucky timber]

...

I've just explained why it's a bad idea

[tame kindle]

And also you can do that?

[plucky timber]

yes

that's the whole point of dlss and fsr

[tame kindle]

i meant like using anti aliasing + doing that

[tame kindle]

how ?

[plucky timber]

it's an upscaler

[tame kindle]

isnt dlss like, rendering at 720p then upscaling to 1080p

[plucky timber]

it upscales the image

[plucky timber]

it's an upscaler

you can upscale from whatever resolution

[tame kindle]

so like you do that in nvidia geforce settings somewhere? i've never saw a game natively have this kind of setting

[plucky timber]

Can't help you there

I don't use DLSS

[stoic island]

That's the difference between DLSS performance, balance, and quality, it renders at different native resolutions then upscales then

[tame kindle]

yeah but no option to go above native

[stoic island]

If you want to render at a higher resolution and downscale, that's DLAA

[tame kindle]

so if its 1080p then DLAA renders at 1440p something?

[stoic island]

Afaik if it's 1080p, it takes the rendered 1080p image, upscales it to say 1440p, and uses the data from the upscaled data to improve the original 1080p image

[stoic island]

There's also the older DSR that just renders at a higher resolution and downscales, but since you're actually natively rendering at a higher resolution, it's a big performance hit compared to dlaa

[tame kindle]

so what does DLAA exactly do

[stoic island]

Renders at native resolution, upscales it like DLSS, then downscales that DLSS image for a better image

Afaik

[tame kindle]

so dlss dlaa actually improves quality ??

or is rendering at higher and then lowering that render image, is that whats anti aliasing ?

[stoic island]

DLSS improves quality relative to the lower rendered resolution, loses quality relative to running at the original resolution natively

DLAA improves quality relative to the original rendered resolution, loses quality relative to running at the higher resolution natively

[rare plover]

guys for the same price what would you say is more worth it, 7600 16gb or 9060 8gb

both being pulse cards

also are b580 drivers still bad

[crimson zinc]

These questions were answered in another chat ^^^

[fickle bolt]

Is it possible to get rgb light strips with an ARGB or 4 pin connector?

[crimson zinc]

I’d assume so.

[tame kindle]

anyone here ? help me uninstalling my gpu drivers

what do i need to do ?

[plucky timber]

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[rare plover]

On the 9060xt 16gb or 8gb there be a major quality difference between playing a game in 1440p native and in 1080p upscaled to 1440p?

And what would the vram difference be

[polar void]

you have twice the vram

and no need to upscale to play 1440p

[rare plover]

what about in the 8gb

[polar void]

just dont buy the 8gb

[rare plover]

easier said than done

"just dont buy the 8gb" 🥀

[polar void]

that stupid rose emoji

[polar void]

save a little more itll be worth it

no one should get an 8gb card

[rare plover]

yea youre not helpful

bye

[weary galleon]

The difference would be that 8gb is sometimes not enough to run games at 1440p or even 1080p>1440p upscaling

[polar void]

everyone else will say the same lol

[weary galleon]

And more and more games are requiring 10+ gb these days

If you exclusively play 1080p (no upscaling to 1440) you might get away with an 8gb card but I would not buy one for 1440p

[rare plover]

still a good card if youre planning on playing games that dont need more than like 7 gb

[polar void]

mhm in 1080p

but when anything related to more than 1080p comes up

16gb

[weary galleon]

If you're only playing Minecraft and Fortnite/eSports games you could get the 8gb for a 1440p rig but I'd really reccomend just going for the 16gb

[polar void]

in fact you could get 12 and be fine, i can play some nice games at 1440p with my b580

[rare plover]

arent the drivers kind shit

[weary galleon]

AMD has made a lot of progress on that front

Now Intel has the bad drivers

Makes sense though cause they're very new to the gpu market

[rare plover]

other than acer nitro and asrock i cant find any other brand that isnt some third party chinese one for the b580

[jaunty blaze]

I recently bought a gigabyte 4080 and a cooler master 850 w. My gpu and everything else is currently in but I only have 2 pcie cables for the gpu. The gpu comes with an adapter but it takes 3 cables and I only have two.

[plucky timber]

Fake product

I bet it only exists to bump up the price of the 16GB

[polar void]

bro gunnir is good trust me

[snow dragon]

Tru

[fallen sphinx]

honestly it depends ont he budget

the 8gb card is better value

[rare plover]

What about sparkle and maxsun

Could only find those locally

[crimson zinc]

Sparkle isn’t bad

[rare plover]

Between these what would you say is the most reliable

Also imagine maxsun icraft is also there

[polar void]

The asrock steel legend is really good

[rare plover]

theres also a maxsun for like 1320

cheapest out of all of the b580s

[polar void]

I’m not 100% sure about maxsun

it can’t be that bad

[rare plover]

Ive heard theyre a pretty good brand, but im not sure, would a white gpu fit in a black pc?

ig i could use a white A3 since there isn’t a price difference anyways

White lianli a3 and 3 fan card with black 360mm aio, mb, psu and ram

could be pretty nice with minimal rgb

[polar void]

imo it looks good to contrast

but its personal preference

dont build based on looks recommended by others

build based on looks that you yourself want

[rare plover]

Their gimmick of having m.2 slots in their gpu also looks nice especially for matx boards with like 1 or 2 m.2 slots

[rare plover]

Was planning on getting a 7500f, but since intel cards are pretty new should i go for a 7600x instead? So i can have graphics just in case something happens to the gpu

[polar void]

7600x is priced very well right now and will pair great with a b580

[rare plover]

Ignore us prices bliz

But yea

[polar void]

?

How much is a 7600x for you right now

[rare plover]

Like 266 usd

Which is still a good price for a cpu here

7500f is 225

[polar void]

Oh

At that price comparison to the 7500f yeah get the 7600x

[rare plover]

ig this could be a good looking build

almost 1400 usd

1400 could get you a good 1440p build in the us market tho

[polar void]

yeah

[rare plover]

need at least like 2000 here

[polar void]

what is that ssd?

[rare plover]

or

1700 usd actually

[rare plover]

crucial

whats wrong with it

[polar void]

idk it looks green

probably fine

are you sure you want to go with 5200 mts at cl40

[rare plover]

green pcb

oh wait that

oops

didnt see

[polar void]

whats the pricing on 6000 mts cl36

[rare plover]

was gonna try getting a 2x8 pack

but

yea thats bad

[crimson zinc]

Maxsun is a well known Asian market brand @rare plover

[polar void]

do not get 2x8 ddr5 lol

[rare plover]

fixed

put a 2x16 flare x kit

6000 cl36

[polar void]

w

last recommendation

[rare plover]

and replaced the cooler with a 360mm corsair nautilus

[polar void]

are you sure you want a corsair aio with no lights

[rare plover]

wanna keep it minimal no lights

oh wait nvm i sent it with the corsair

[crimson zinc]

Go thermalright

[rare plover]

had a coolermaster one prior to that

[polar void]

thermalright makes well priced 360's that are better looking and probably cost less

[rare plover]

cant find any

or well

i can actually

but theyre uh like twice the price of the corsair one

[crimson zinc]

Hm

[polar void]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Frozen-Infinity-360-LGA1851/dp/B0D73CDLK5/ref=sr_1_16

they are???????

[rare plover]

im not buying from abroad

[polar void]

but us amazon is legit fr

[rare plover]

but im not from the us so us amazon is irrelevant

and my father has a tax return thing soo

[polar void]

oh

[rare plover]

this could work ig

[polar void]

yeah that looks good

and looks like itll look good

[rare plover]

kinda want the rgb to be like only from the gpu and a bit from the mb (if it even has rgb)

well thank you google that helped me so much 😭

[polar void]

LOL

If theres no shiny light looking things on the image'

[polar void]

like the image here or where youd buy it from'

like this

[rare plover]

what if i save some by getting am4

[rare plover]

would this work well with the b580?

[polar void]

i mean its not gonna not work

but its old

[rare plover]

not worth it to save 30 bucks

[crimson zinc]

It’s not worth

Stick with am5

[rare plover]

alr

[nimble dew]

hey can someone recommand me gpu cpu ram, and motherboard for $750USD, I want to use it to play fortnite valorant cod gta6

[stoic island]

already have cooler case psu and gpu?

[nimble dew]

I had mistype for gpu but I want to buy a gpu, I already have a really good case and a 750W 80 gold thermaltake psu, and I have one of the best 360mm aio from corsair

[stoic island]

what case, what PSU, and what AIO

[stoic island]

need specifics

[nimble dew]

wym need specifics?

[stoic island]

Which exact case, which exact PSU, which exact AIO, need to know them then for exact specs, for what your case can fit, for if the PSU has the right cables, for if your AIO has the right mounting kit for the socket, and other details

[rare plover]

Valorant 🥀

Shit has more control over your pc than you

Dont play valorant bruh 😭

[nimble dew]

CASE-Cooler Master MasterBox TD500, PSU- Thermaltake Toughpower 750W 80 PLUS Gold Modular Power Supply, AIO- Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT, 360mm Radiator

[nimble dew]

your talking about the anti cheat and how its has highest level of permission on your pc right

[fickle bolt]

Yea

[fickle bolt]

Reason I never got it

[nimble dew]

too bad about that but I cant do anythign about it

[fickle bolt]

Uninstall anti cheat

[snow dragon]

Idk vanguard goes really deep

Its drivers are active before windows fully initializes

[fickle bolt]

I smell malware..

[snow dragon]

You’re probably gonna need to shred the data on the drive to get rid of it and flash your bios lol

Idk how deep it really goes but it is deep

Or maybe just a format is good enough

[fickle bolt]

I imagine you can only get rid of it if you uninstall val?

[snow dragon]

No

[fickle bolt]

(Legitimately ofc)

[snow dragon]

Are you able to return the power supply

And the aio

Im not sure which toughpower you got but it is probably the new one with swapped parts

And you can save some by getting a different aio

[nimble dew]

wym thats what I had for 5 years I cant return it and the AIO I had for a while so I cant return it

why would I need to change those things?

[snow dragon]

You didn’t say you had it for that long until now

I was under the impression that you just bought that now

But that means you have the old one so thats good

Nvm then

What are you upgrading from @nimble dew

[stoic island]

gonna hope it's td500 mesh, but something like this should do, a little bit over, and it would be better if you could spare another ~$20 on top to get slightly better board and ram
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MgFhpK

[snow dragon]

The teamgroup cl30 kit is low 80s

nvm 87

[nimble dew]

so that gpu is good then? and why micro ATX for the motherboard

[stoic island]

Yea that's part of the penny pinching, would've chose that kit if it didn't go over budget

[stoic island]

Penny pinching to get it closer to $750

[nimble dew]

im fine with it being off it was just a base price

[stoic island]

mATX is functionally the same, just looks slightly off in an ATX case

[nimble dew]

I have a wifi card that id like to instal on it and it doesnt seem like it has an extra slot, and it would look weird on my case with it being smaller

[stoic island]

It already has an internal wifi chip

[nimble dew]

any other motherboards I shoud use thats atx

[snow dragon]

Yeah mine was over 800 because of the ram and atx board

[stoic island]

B650-s wifi is $10 more, also has internal wifi chip, is full ATX

[snow dragon]

The prime?

[stoic island]

Nah MSI

[snow dragon]

Oh I see

135

[stoic island]

The first 135.84 listing is from a wack seller, second is Amazon lol

[plucky timber]

That's a X3D capable board innit

[snow dragon]

Asrock b850 pro a looks amazing

[stoic island]

Its weird

[plucky timber]

Asrock tho

[stoic island]

ASRock is fine for everything but x3d until they clear it up

[plucky timber]

Yeah I'd go for non asrock because

[snow dragon]

Lets see

[plucky timber]

I'd rather go for an X3D capable board in the same price range

[snow dragon]

I have seen some people have their cpu die after 6 months

[plucky timber]

I mean it's only X3Ds

[snow dragon]

One more month to see if my board will kill mine

[plucky timber]

But still

[snow dragon]

If only you didnt kill cpus...

Its like a siren

it has 4 m.2

[desert lark]

anyone know of any "cool" pc cases that are not just a big glass box

[snow dragon]

best to use the 990 evo plus with this

[snow dragon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rXnXsY/lian-li-lancool-217-atx-mid-tower-case-lan217x

https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/1lza8lq/shiny_snake_l400/

Smaller guy

https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/1jtd909/shiny_snake_l300_not_a_bad_case/

[desert lark]

Its clean

[versed current]

Can someone make me 6.5k usd built with a monitor?

[fickle bolt]

9800X3D+64GB+2TB+4090

[low path]

AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 8-Core Processor TUF GAMING A520M-PLUS WIFI 32gb of ram, with a 6700XT this build is full ddr4 I think anything I should upgrade for my bros build? Or should I upgrade it all to ddr5

Can I use any of these parts in a ddr5 build

Or is there a good ddr4 build in

[plucky timber]

You can use the gpu

[polar void]

Do you still want a list

[versed current]

Yea

[polar void]

Alright i will make one now

[versed current]

It’s not for me

Thanks

[polar void]

Will the user be doing benchmarking and intensive workloads or is this a gaming pc

[versed current]

Idk prolly not

[polar void]

So a gaming pc?

[versed current]

Yea

[polar void]

Do they want to game at 1440p or 4k

[versed current]

Prolly 4k

If it’s at 6.5k

[polar void]

Alr

[versed current]

Or like an oled

[polar void]

Is a fishtank case preferred or a normal one

[versed current]

Idk :p what ever u want

[polar void]

alrighty

[versed current]

I like fish tanks

Cuz they look cleaner but it’s not by build

[polar void]

do they want black or white

[versed current]

Black prolly

[polar void]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cGN6Wc

saved some money too

[versed current]

W

[polar void]

9800x3d, 5090, 64gb ram, 2tb

[versed current]

That’s insane

Who can even spend more then 2k on a pc

[polar void]

no idea

wait i forgot to add fans

[versed current]

I didn’t send it to them yet

[polar void]

good lol

[polar void]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mxQPpK

there

4k 240hz oled monitor

[versed current]

Ty

[polar void]

I can also help with the building process if the builder does indeed go through with the list

[versed current]

Ok I’ll try to keep u posted

And I have a question

[polar void]

Whas up

[versed current]

I built my friend a pc that had a 9060xt and it runs worse in Minecraft than mine with a 7600 non xt

And they have am5 1440 and I’m am4 1080

[polar void]

What cpu do they have and what cpu does the 9060xt pc have

[polar void]

ok wait who has what

[versed current]

Ima find the build list

I have the 1080

[polar void]

1080p with 7600xt?

And they have 1440p with 9060xt?

[versed current]

No xt

[polar void]

Ok so you have 1080p with 7600 and he has that ok

Are they running intense shaders

And what cpu do they have and what cpu do you have

[versed current]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zpTJdb

[versed current]

I have a 5600x

[polar void]

Solid build

[versed current]

Wait no

Yea?

[polar void]

Well ok so you said you're running minecraft better than him right

Their system should be able to breeze through high fps in minecraft at 1440p

And yours should be fine as well in 1080p

more than fine

[versed current]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BbV6Bq

[versed current]

Yea I get like 2k fps on hypixel

And they can’t run atm 10 without it skipping frames

They didn’t let me set up drivers so that’s it?

[polar void]

Did they vaguely just say their framerate cuz they are probably trying to run a very high shaderpack

[polar void]

Orrr that might be it lol

[versed current]

Nah it’s just nods

[polar void]

Tell them to install AMD adrenalin

[versed current]

I did

I’m unsure if they actually did

They are that kind of person yk?

[polar void]

yeah that kind

[versed current]

I told them all the drivers they needed

But they don’t think they do

[polar void]

tell them its literally so simple

[versed current]

I did!!!

It’s so quick

[polar void]

https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adrenalin.html send them this

[versed current]

Alr

[polar void]

tell them their pc will not work properly without it

[polar void]

make it sound bad idk

[versed current]

Bru

They said that

Mb 😭

The 6.5k guy

Do Yk anything about those?

I have not a clue

[polar void]

The 6.5k said this

?

[versed current]

Yea

[polar void]

Oh in response to my list

Ask if they want intel or if they want the 9950x3d

and ask what monitor they want

and ask how much storage

i gotta know

[versed current]

They said intel?

They prolly don’t know much

I would think intels good at that kinda thing yea?

[polar void]

It is

And alrighty

What about storage and monitor type

[versed current]

12tb

And they said what ever u prefer

They said high

[polar void]

a high monitor

gotcha

high resolution or refresh rate?

[versed current]

High res

They said a “small nasa pc”

And high referesh rate

[polar void]

itll have to be full size to have the most performance

[versed current]

Yea I think they mean like

A nasa like pc

[polar void]

Alrighty a 1440p can get really high refresh rate

[versed current]

And they have built before

[versed current]

Alr

[polar void]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B3GPpK here we go

1440p oled 480 hertz

and 12tb of gen 4 storage

[versed current]

Alr

[polar void]

whats he think of it?

[versed current]

Idk yet

[versed current]

They like it

But they said to check out https://buildcores.com/

[polar void]

They want me to virtually build it?

[versed current]

Idk

Don’t bother

They’ll be fine

[polar void]

Ima try anyway looks fun

[versed current]

Alright xd

[polar void]

it didnt place the aio and put the fans in the wrong slots lol

but its def gonna look really good

[versed current]

That’s good

[plucky timber]

Ironically a NASA PC would not be very good at gaming

[versed current]

Hmm

It prolly run alright

[plucky timber]

They're not really designed for gaming

Different purpose entirely

[snow dragon]

[crimson zinc]

Hey @polar void dm

[rancid lodge]

9070XT worth it around the current 700-750 USD price range?

[snow dragon]

Imo nah because they actually used to be cheaper

Asrock steel legend used to be 660

[rancid lodge]

well yeah it launched at 600$ MSRP but it was only for like 30 mins (I was asleep

[snow dragon]

And I think the gigabyte was 630

[snow dragon]

Yeah 600 was temporary but after that they went up a little, and then went up again

Steel legend was at 600 i think

Then went to 660 and then 700

[rancid lodge]

I havent seen that

Ive been tracking it decently, not been able to find them lower than 700$

ik they were lower initially but again it was constant OOS

[gentle pollen]

Check Newegg Refurbished yet?

You can usually find below MSRP and fully functional with those.

[rancid lodge]

Ive seen some yeah, I try to avoid refurb when I can though

ive had really good open box/refurb and ive had real bad

always feels like a gamble 😅

[gentle pollen]

Newegg Refurbs are safe. I have had far worse luck with new on multiple accounts. At least the refurbs are tested before being sold.

Open Box and Refurb are different just to be clear.

[rancid lodge]

like I got my lian li O11DXL open box completely intact with everything included zero damage for like 60$ below its running price back in 2020, that mightve been one of my best scores

[rancid lodge]

yeah fair

[gentle pollen]

The Newegg Refurbs are tested either by Newegg, the manufacturer, or a partner of Newegg's to be functional before being listed for sale and comes with a 90 day no questions asked return policy.

Whereas Open Box are usually not tested and have no warranty.

[rancid lodge]

yeah, just no good refurb values on the 9070xt so

[gentle pollen]

R.I.P

[rancid lodge]

again nothin below 700$

[gentle pollen]

I saw 7900xtx for $800 a couple weeks ago as Refurb.

Might be worth considering.

[rancid lodge]

yeah thats what im seeing on most of the refurb, the real premium models going for a lot more than what I could get for a new base level card

I'm eyeing the mid tier XFX one (the quicksilver) cause I like the look and Ive never had any issues with any of their cards all the way back to the 580 8gb in 2017

[polar void]

ye

[rancid lodge]

I mean I've seen it trades blows in some cases with the 5080, and mainly competes with the 5070ti (and the lowest price for the 5070ti seems to be that 750-800 range) so I'm thinking it's my best bet

[polar void]

that 580 was goated for my first gpu

but upgrading to my b580 has been awesome

[polar void]

unless you want that raytracing and dlss js get the 7900xtx

[rancid lodge]

580 is actually an awesome card, was pretty damn good value on release iirc too, but yeah I was looking at the 7900xtx but it tends to be considerably more expensive than the 9070xt still

even refurb still like 50 USD more

[polar void]

then get the 9070xt

i've heard the rt is great and you get 16gb vram

it would be quite the upgrade from your current gpu

[rancid lodge]

yeah

[snow dragon]

Yeah I still say to get the 9070 xt

Because even with it being over what it’s supposed to be, it’s still cheaper than xtx

Plus you get fsr 4

Also in rt games it is faster than the xtx

And if you want, you can undervolt overclock the card to get even closer to the xtx

[rancid lodge]

yeah I heard it has serious OC potential

[rare plover]

are antec p12 pwm fans good enough for budget rgb less building

antec tranquils are like 2x the price, is the price difference really worth it

[crimson zinc]

Yeah

P12s are good for budgets

[rare plover]

gonna get a 3 pack of p12s and a 360mm aio

[rancid lodge]

any 120mm fan recommendations btw, I had one of seven of my AR 120s die just yesterday, and another has been whining for a bit now (Case is O11DXL). Will probably replace all 7, including the ones on the AIO.

preferably RGB, with an available controller so I can control all 7

The issue with my current setup has been 3/7 of the fans being stuck on 100% power for the past five years (funnily enough the fan that just died was not one of those 3) so I'm definitely not repeating that mistake

[timber saffron]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VtKcDj

Thoughts and suggestions?

[plucky timber]

Wtf

Is that us prices

Why is a 5600x $300+

[timber saffron]

It says $160 for me

[plucky timber]

Yeah that's still good awful tbh

[timber saffron]

Any suggestions?

[plucky timber]

Do you need the 990 pro for any particular reason?

[timber saffron]

I just picked whatever I’m not gonna lie

[plucky timber]

Just a first draft

Gonna fix it up more

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x2jJ3w

Still cheaper than original list

[timber saffron]

Yes definitely

[plucky timber]

Don't go am4

[timber saffron]

These could run triple a games decently?

[plucky timber]

Errr

At what resolution and settings?

[timber saffron]

I’m talking 1080p high settings probably

Above 120 fps

[plucky timber]

Maybe?

I'll look at some benchmarks

These days you never know with AAA

[timber saffron]

Thanks I appreciate it

[plucky timber]

Studios don't even bother to optimise anymore

[timber saffron]

Yeah I’ve checked out some benchmark videos and seen that the fps fluctuates a lot

[plucky timber]

You should be able to run most games at 1080p 120 if you lower settings

Just don't run it at ultra

[timber saffron]

👍

Thanks

[plucky timber]

@timber saffron the motherboard can take an X3D so you have that upgrade path in the future

[snow dragon]

I range from 120 to 150 in bf6 with 9600x

Medium

[plucky timber]

Oh nice

I was pretty sure the 9060XT was capable enough but you never know with AAA slop these days

[snow dragon]

Cpu at 100% though

[plucky timber]

I want to say 1440p capable

[snow dragon]

Oh also at 1440p

[plucky timber]

But AAA slop might not wanna run at 120fps

It's certainly possible if settings are lowered

[snow dragon]

Yeah battlefield is the exception

[plucky timber]

I mean they have to

It's a multiplayer fps

[snow dragon]

Def not getting 120 on jedi survivor

[plucky timber]

They want more people on the game

[snow dragon]

[plucky timber]

So they actually have to try to optimise it

Instead of throwing upscaling slop at it

And frame gen is out of the question because... Well comp shooter

[dusty orbit]

Will this PC run league at 200+ fps?

i5 9400f
16gb ddr4 ram
rtx 3060 ti 8gb
500 w power supply

[weary galleon]

Bro I was at 100-110 on a 5700x3d 😭 I hope there's a little optimization done before launch

[snow dragon]

I forgot to mention I was using fsr

[weary galleon]

Shouldn't matter if you're cpu bound

[snow dragon]

Native taa was like 120-130

[weary galleon]

Unless it was frame gen

[snow dragon]

Surprisingly it still went up even though it was pegged

[weary galleon]

What gpu

[snow dragon]

I was averaging 140

9060 xt

[weary galleon]

1440p?

[snow dragon]

yeah

[weary galleon]

You probably weren't cpu bound even though it was showing 100%

I have a 4070 and the 5700x3d was 100% the bottleneck

The in-game fps counter shows both cpu and gpu fps

[snow dragon]

Yeah my cpu is just a little behind the gpu

Majority of the time it was almost equal

I never went below quality so I wonder if I could have gotten a little more if it was even lower

3700x recommended my ass bruh

our cpus are like what, 50% faster than that?

Yall always say the same shit

Are you even real

[rare plover]

would this be a good buget build (imagine the gpu is a b580, T1000 is just there for the price sum to be correct)

[weary galleon]

Pretty good, I’d aim for slightly better ram (6000cl32 or 6200cl30). Also not sure about availability but thermalright c12c fans are great and cheap

[rare plover]

not in budget and not available

[weary galleon]

Ok

Might be able to tune the ram latency down a bit

[fallen sphinx]

@weary galleon what do you think about this for a setup

2 27" monitors, one 16"

16" would act as a tablet too

[weary galleon]

Seems good as long as you have enough room to your right so your elbow doesn't hit the L desk

[polar void]

at 1080p medium settings sure

maybe higher settings

[icy thunder]

What's the best bang for your buck $300 or under white gpu?

[crimson zinc]

B580

[icy thunder]

Wow I really wasn't expecting an intel recommendation

I'll definitely look into it.

I haven't heard much talk about them

wow it does look good

bro getting it in white doubles the price

oh i found one for a good price

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-steel-legend-b580-sl-12go-arc-b580-12gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814930132?Item=N82E16814930132

[crimson zinc]

Looks good.

[icy thunder]

much appreciated on the recommendation. Didnt think of intel at all

[crimson zinc]

Just as a reminder, intel still does have its issues. But they’re relatively alright most of the time.

[plucky timber]

I'd recommend a used gpu

[small juniper]

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/list/hTvNb2 hi so i have made some (many) modifications to my build, hope it is better now in some way

[crimson zinc]

Is a 9070xt available near you?

[small juniper]

nope and it is 200 plus dollars more than a 5070

[small juniper]

if it was at a good price i would have had that one

[crimson zinc]

Sad

[small juniper]

i know, like the cheapest 9070xt is 800 dollars

in my country

[snow dragon]

[delicate rivet]

anyone have any good monitor suggestions with a vesa mount

[rare plover]

League of legends 😭

[rare plover]

https://tenor.com/view/romania-gif-scream-if-you-love-brock-lesnar-loves-brock-lesnar-gif-8607013991961401757

5070 pretty bleak from what ive heard, everyone hating on it

9060xt or 5060 ti 16gb are also nice cards

[fallen sphinx]

depends what you want

[fallen sphinx]

12gb vram is meh

9070 is also 10% faster with more vram and 10% more

[rare plover]

I mean still good but yea

[small juniper]

if the 5070 is better than the 5060 ti 16gb then i will take the 5070, i do not care so much that i has 12gb of vram, now i have 4gb

[snow dragon]

Can’t believe nvidia is the one doing -50

What a timeline

[small juniper]

haha very funny

[snow dragon]

Sotru

[fallen sphinx]

not at all for the price

[fallen sphinx]

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/product/ZdHp99/xfx-swift-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx-97tswf3w9 get this

like sub 20% more for a LOT better of a card + it matches the build

[snow dragon]

The xfx cards are huge

But the fans are very quiet with a tune

Mine is very quiet

[fallen sphinx]

should fit

[small juniper]

thanks, i will see if it is still discounted when i buy everything

[snow dragon]

The stock curve is pretty aggressive but when you lower it, it is really really quiet

[small juniper]

i wanted to initialy

[fallen sphinx]

ask for a brand new list when you actually get your stuff

markets change a lot

[small juniper]

yup i made a list so i can make a budget and pick out some parts i want to use if ther is a better deal or so i will change it

[snow dragon]

Yeah I’m just saying that because it is huge, the fans should be really quiet with a curve

Mine is smaller and is still really quiet

When the psu is off, probably the loudest thing is the cpu fan or coil whine

When cpu is lower probably coil whine is the loudest till the psu kicks on

[small juniper]

i will keep this in mind but i think i will stick to the 5070,thanks anyway

[fallen sphinx]

dont

[small juniper]

okey??

[snow dragon]

You said the 9070 is cheaper by a lot right

Like 20%

[fallen sphinx]

its similar price

[snow dragon]

Oh ok

[small juniper]

so maybe i do not really know much but why on the site is 14 percent off but when i put it in my cart it is full price?

[stoic island]

might take a coupon code that's listed on the site

[small juniper]

it is a promotion from what i can see

a discount

[tawdry lance]

I am upgrading a family members GPU and getting back a 3080 fe that I had passed down. I was thinking of making a small form factor pc with the 3080 fe for another family member. What parts would you guys reccomend?

[polar void]

what case do you want to use

and by small form factor you mean a mini itx build, correct?

[snow dragon]

Yes

Although technically there are some matx sff cases

But 95% of the time it is itx

[polar void]

so he has a 3080 fe

and needs everything else

for an itx build

[polar void]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8wy3Yd heres a smol matx build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z8bxBq and mini itx build

@tawdry lance these are some concept builds i put together

the top one is larger and stronger and the bottom one is a smol boi

less power but quite small

[plucky timber]

I'd avoid the 8400F

It's pretty bad silicon for how much it cpsts

[plucky timber]

What is your budget?

[snow dragon]

Not sff

[plucky timber]

I mean

sff cases are pretty crap

at least if we're talking about sff in terms of

this

[snow dragon]

Hold on there are matx cases under 20l

Damn its not on pcpp

[plucky timber]

It's only the A3

that's under $100

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KhYqZc

kinda mediocre but like

can't really get cheaper than this

at least without severely cheaping out

on vrms

well technically the psu can be cheaper but like

not that much saved

I wonder if this motherboard can fit an x3d

ehh

8+2+1

maybe it's possible

probably is fine on an x3d tbh

probably wouldn't go over a R7 non X3D tho

I was going to do an intel list

but then I remembered that it's going to be a hotbox if I put a 13/14600K in the list

The case could probably fit a full RK120

[snow dragon]

It can

If nr200 can it can too

[plucky timber]

Yeah idk why I have the 90SE in there

problem is we don't know how long their card is

nor the budget

nor much of anything really

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8ZGNb2

can't really optimize it beyond this

unless we have more context

[snow dragon]

I actually just recommended that board to a friend

Last night

[plucky timber]

It's a solid board

it's got decent vrms

[snow dragon]

Seems to be good

[plucky timber]

for matx

[snow dragon]

Ya

[plucky timber]

I'm not sure if you could put an X3D in it

but it can definitely run a R7 fine

[snow dragon]

Cheapest you can go without going asroxk

[plucky timber]

yeah

well

there is the B650M-P

but that's out of stock

like it's not a good board

but it's still better than the B850M-X

Don't know why asrock released that

that thing's hot garbage

actually it's only slightly better

💀

jesus christ you really can't find cheap vrms

All the $100 boards are really mediocre

really just not worth cheaping out

like you save $20-30 but your vrms are hot garbage

hmmmmm

oh gigabyte has a couple boards

no white tax too

these aren't bad tbh

gaming x is $10 more for slightly better vrms

2x5 instead of 2x4

$150 seems to be the sweet spot

[tawdry lance]

Whatever budget to get parts that pair well with 3080 fe. Likely will never get upgraded again based on who I am giving it to.

An all-around pc is basically what I am looking to build that is small form factor.

[plucky timber]

Do you have a ballpark figure?

what is the use case?

gaming?

need more context

If we're looking at the most absurd budget

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rBRynp

I can optimize the list given more context

[tawdry lance]

That is probably a good enough baseline. I can ask if they have a specific need and relay as needed.

[plucky timber]

It's not supposed to be the baseline

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8ZGNb2

this is

the 7800X3D scenario is assuming an unlimited budget with an actual need for it

If they don't need a 7800X3D I'd recommend going for the 7600 instead

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KnvhzP
Or this as a middle ground

If it's a purely gaming machine the 7700x won't really be that much better relative to the 7600x in gaming

at least on average

X3D can be substantially better but that's $200 more

[snow dragon]

7800x3d uses no power

9800x3d uses like double but in games it is not much more

[plucky timber]

Oh so it actually runs cooler? (The 7800X3D)

[snow dragon]

Well it is still hot considering how little it draws beacuse of the vcache blanket over it

But it doesnt draw much power

[plucky timber]

I mean

[snow dragon]

I think ppt is under 80w

[plucky timber]

Probably still draws less than a 13700k

[snow dragon]

Like 75 or something

[plucky timber]

Oh wtf

Isn't that less than an i5

[snow dragon]

I actually do not know

I never looked at intel ppt

[plucky timber]

Zen 4/5 is probably still better for... Limited airflow applications

compact pcs and... nzxt

[delicate rivet]

I need some good monitor suggestions, can anyone help?
Needs a vesa mount and to be flat

I have a 9070 XT

[snow dragon]

When it is in pl1 yes

13400f goes from 140 to 65

13600k 181 to 125

It will use less in games though

But the temperature of 7800x3d will still be warm because of the cache blanket over the cores

So its not hot in the sense of pumping power

Rather because of poorer heat conductivity

[stoic island]

budget?

[snow dragon]

Oops 75 is not the default

You can set it to 75 but it is not the default

The default is 88w

[delicate rivet]

idrk how much monitors cost

probably like 400?

[stoic island]

just a bit short of oled panels then
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D682HF6R

[stoic island]

or a random cheap flat IPS panel
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-pg27qft1b-27-qhd-180-hz-ips-black/p/N82E16824946003

[delicate rivet]

Does this ahve a vesa mount?

also if I were to move my budget up to like 500 would that make a big differnce or no?

Im fine with spending some extra money if itll make a big change

[stoic island]

It's best to see it in person if you can check out some oled panels at best buy or microcenter to see if the difference is worth it to you.

OLED is a lot better in many aspects, but how much of a difference it makes for you is up to you

[delicate rivet]

I just moved back to college so theres not really many options for me

If theres just a good bang for your buck you reccomend

[stoic island]

Safe bet is the $150 1440p180 ips panel

[delicate rivet]

Dont you think I should spend more than $150?

[stoic island]

The only upgrade over it that's worthwhile imo is going to OLED, which again, is $450 rn

miniled can be worthwhile too but that's also up to you

[delicate rivet]

And these fs have a vesa mount? Thats the entire reason I need a new monitor anyway

[stoic island]

For the asrock IPS one

for the AOC OLED one

The manual isn't super clear on how to mount it but it does include this bit

and also apparently this in the box

[delicate rivet]

awesome thank you so much

just got it

[stoic island]

fyi that doxxes your location

be careful screenshotting amazon

[delicate rivet]

Holy shit thank you for pointing that out

Im on my aunts account 😭

[stoic island]

lol

[delicate rivet]

I was abt to buy it on hers

[stoic island]

I'm just going to delete it for you

[fallen sphinx]

https://www.newegg.com/p/2NY-008V-000F3 im buying today this is the best i found

any other suggestions

[plucky timber]

eh?

16" on that resolution?

Guess they don't make oled for 1080p

kind of a stupid product if you ask me

[fallen sphinx]

They do

[fallen sphinx]

Why it’s high ppi

[plucky timber]

it's 16"

if it was 21" yeah sure

2880x1800 is a stupidly inefficient resolution to have on a 16" display

On my 16" display I have to lean my head in at around 5-7cm from the display to even start seeing pixelation

and that's on 1920x1080

[fallen sphinx]

Inefficient?

But ppi 😦

It doubles the PPI of my current monitor + OLED

[fallen sphinx]

I’m also using this for work and college

I’ll find like an easy detach vesa adapter or smth to take it off easy

[snow dragon]

He is trying ti say that the ppi is pointlessly high

[plucky timber]

a 1080p on 16 inch is already high ppi

[snow dragon]

But tbh the other ones that are coming up are basically the same price

So its not a big deal ig

[plucky timber]

To be fair I don't see many OLED displays that's 1080p

[snow dragon]

Might as well take the ultra retina display

[plucky timber]

It makes sense if you're looking at from the sense of buying a portable oled display

The resolution is still really stupid for the size of the display though

The only thing that really makes sense is the OLED really

[snow dragon]

It would be nice if there was a lower res and maybe refresh rate of that but cheaper

[plucky timber]

Yeah it's all IPS

[snow dragon]

Oh its already 120hz

[plucky timber]

My IPS portable monitor was like $40 lmao

[snow dragon]

So maybe if that one had 1440p for cheaper

[plucky timber]

1440p is still kinda high for 16"

It'd be better

Probably won't even notice the ppi drop

I'd argue even a drop to 1080p isn't noticable

[fallen sphinx]

There’s 2K 144hz for similar prices i think

But not OLED

[snow dragon]

Yeah

[plucky timber]

I'm tempted to go on an unrelated rant about marketing terms

[snow dragon]

I was tryna say like

[plucky timber]

Yeah it's good if you only consider the oled aspect

[snow dragon]

If they made a 1440p version of that monitor for cheaper that would go hard

[plucky timber]

If oled is the key requirement here

It's perfect

[plucky timber]

1080p imo

Mostly for efficiency reasons

[snow dragon]

True but they aint making that

Must pixelmax

[plucky timber]

Yeah it's effective for the consumer

But not cost effective for the manufacturers

I'd rather have a 1080p display that eat up less power and costs less power to drive

On that size it's pretty hard to take full advantage of all the pixels

At least before you get eye strain

[fallen sphinx]

It’s one of them

Also want it to be small and portable

[plucky timber]

I'd personally go for ips if you don't care for refresh rate and oled

They're way cheaper on AliExpress

If you do care

I'd still look on AliExpress

[fallen sphinx]

Min 120hz and I want OLED

[fallen sphinx]

Not allowed to buy off of

[plucky timber]

US thing?

[fallen sphinx]

Dad thing

[plucky timber]

Bruh

Dad issue

It's the same crap ja

Just marked up on Newegg

[fallen sphinx]

Yup

[fallen sphinx]

He made building my pc take weeks instead of a day

Since I was forced to wait for him to do anything

[fallen sphinx]

My mom fell asleep I have to wait till tomorrow to buy it 😭

I should have gift cards though

And the sale ends on Newegg

[plucky timber]

Imagine having to pay the markup

💀

NO WAY

IT EXISTS

Based China

[fallen sphinx]

I saw that on Amazon I think

But Newegg is better to buy off of my parents are anti Amazon

[plucky timber]

huh

[fallen sphinx]

I can’t rly buy off Amazon

Heavily preferred not to

[plucky timber]

I have to buy off amazon because I can't afford to pay the markup

Unless AliExpress is cheaper

[fallen sphinx]

I have a decent bit of money in gift cards so

[marble dune]

Why does this guy get so hot

I can cook an egg on the backplate

[snow dragon]

The ref cooler isnt that great and rdna 3 was also not efficient

[marble dune]

Hmm

[snow dragon]

Like how the 30 series used a lot of power, so did rdna 3

[marble dune]

Oh does it

Idles over 150w

Avgs 300+

[snow dragon]

40 series was pretty damn efficient

And rdna 4 is too

[marble dune]

Its in a case with 13 fans too

[snow dragon]

7000 moment

That got fixed with rdna 4

[marble dune]

Is there anything I can do about the ref cooler

Do I just let it cook

[snow dragon]

I would recommend you try undervolting

[snow dragon]

[marble dune]

Thank you

Idrk how to undervolt

I did the auto undervolt

Didn't do anything

I been overlooking since I was a lil jit but I never rly messed with undervolting

[snow dragon]

https://youtu.be/2aCCaIx5Kk0

Oh he has some profiles you can download

[snow dragon]

Yeah it is very conservative

Basically does nothing

[lunar bone]

Hey, could anyone help me with what configuration of case fans I should do? Currently the psu and gpu are acting as intake and cpu cooler as an exhaust

The case is a jonsbo d31 mesh

[plucky timber]

My god

💀

Those fans are doing all the work

I'd say you could do 2-3 in / 3 out

Going from bottom to top/rear

[lunar bone]

yeah it works with this case, temps are fine 😄

[lunar bone]

what size fans would you recommend?

[polar void]

looks like it takes 120mm

never get 140mm unless your case states it can take them

so get one 120mm for the back to blow out, two reverse blade ones to intake from the bottom, and three normal ones to blow out the top

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-M12Q-Daisy-Chain-Infinity-Lighting/dp/B0F6T6CBWN/ref=sr_1_4

you can get any fan

this one I personally recommend but it all depends on your budget and style

[plucky timber]

The cheapest

That's not dogcrap

Thermalright C12C are generally pretty good

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kMqrxr/thermalright-tl-c12cw-s-x5-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-5-pack-tl-c12cw-s-x5

The 5 pack is $17

Great value

[lunar bone]

I think I'm gonna go with
Be Quiet Pure Wings 3 120mm PWM

Nothing much cheaper (and thats not dogcrap) seems to be available in my country

[polar void]

thermalright is so majestic

[plucky timber]

Good

You just want air flowing

Don't overspend on fans

[snow dragon]

Pure wings 3 aren’t bad

I have one

[plucky timber]

Yeah they're great fans

[snow dragon]

Looks nice and is decent

[lilac tinsel]

does anyone have one of those premade pc part picker lists for around 1000 usd, i already made one for local prices and i wanna see how it compares

[fallen sphinx]

premade dont exist

prices fluctuate a lot

whats your country

[lilac tinsel]

romania but 70% of stuff probably wont be available so ill find alternative sites or products

also would rather go to like 1200$ to get a 9060 xt in there

than going 7600

[plucky timber]

A list of local sites would be helpful

We can't really help unless we know what the market is like

[lilac tinsel]

vexio.ro, forit.ro, and pcgarage.ro which i believe is the only one pcpartpicker shows

the prices here are pretty cooked for most stuff except for 9060 xt probably

[plucky timber]

What's the budget in your currency

[lilac tinsel]

4500 max

[plucky timber]

I'd look for used parts

[lilac tinsel]

did you see the prices are fried? also second hand market is just as bad and empty

[plucky timber]

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/list/y2jxBq

this is really bad for $1000

[lilac tinsel]

yeah ofc lol

also is that psu any good? i was thinking a 2025 corsair but that's like 20% more

[plucky timber]

which corsair?

unless it's a RMx

the MSI is better

[lilac tinsel]

it was rm650e

[plucky timber]

meh

I wouldn't spend 20% more for a 650w

[lilac tinsel]

yeah alr

also for the price of the 5600 i can get a 5700x tray

so i guess that's a lil better

but am5 mobo and cpu prices are just too dumb rn

[plucky timber]

I'm pretty sure the 5700x is slightly weaker in ipc

it depends on the use case tbh

oh wait the x

[lilac tinsel]

since im going am4 would intel be an option here lol? you can get a 14600k cheaper than a 7600x

[plucky timber]

yeah I think the X actually is slightly better

[plucky timber]

nope

motherboard price gouging

[lilac tinsel]

actually it was around the same

or i think cheaper for intel

[plucky timber]

yeah but that's well in the 5500 range

just barely under 5000 with ddr4

[lilac tinsel]

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/list/gLfBBq

4900

and as much as im willing to stretch it probably

[plucky timber]

I wouldn't cheap out on vrms that much

[lilac tinsel]

i was thinking of a micro atx build with the jonsbo d41 and there's not many options that aren't more expensive than the cpu

[plucky timber]

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/list/376zVF

[lilac tinsel]

is that not a decent mobo

but side note would you go with intel even if it's on a dead platform if it outperforms the 7600x and it's cheaper

[plucky timber]

errr

6+2+1

[lilac tinsel]

7600x would only be like 40$ more but you're getting a worse cpu

[plucky timber]

what do you mean it's a worse cpu

if you're pairing it with ddr5

which you will have to

it'll outperform the 14600k with ddr4

[lilac tinsel]

i guess if you put it that way

but then yeah i guess ddr5 prices