building-and-recc-chat

[tame kindle]

well i tried messing with image sharpening but it still made the pixels same visible just more or less sharp, and also after i enable hdr it doesnt allow me to change sharpness gamma contrast or any other monitor osd settings

[fickle bolt]

Hdr won't really help with that

[fickle bolt]

Wierd, what's the other end? Usbc?

[loud oxide]

The one in my hand?

[fickle bolt]

Yes

I wonder if it's a charging cable lol

[fickle bolt]

....it has two usb a headers?

Weird.

Probably isn't necessary

[loud oxide]

What

[tame kindle]

i assume its just a 1080p thing then, my i712700k should be fine if i go 1440p, but will my arc a580 be able to handle 1440p?

[loud oxide]

The one on the left is the one I plugged into the ups

[fickle bolt]

I would upgrade, you'll be running under 100 fps consistently

[fickle bolt]

Oh, maybe plug that into the mobo

The right cable

[tame kindle]

even with xess framegen, i won't be able to get at least 120~fps on avg ? i mean probably not in something as unoptimized as clair obscur but what about most games

[loud oxide]

What’s the “mobo”

[fickle bolt]

Shorthand for motherboard

[fickle bolt]

I mean maybe. I didn't even know it had framegen, much less upscaling

[tame kindle]

it shocked me too, i was thinking an rtx 3080 would be nice until i figured it doesnt even have framegen, so if counting framegen my arc a580 somehow does more fps than rtx 3080

[fickle bolt]

Impressive, in that case 1440p would run pretty well

@loud oxide you have a usb with windows iso right?

[loud oxide]

Okay I just finished putting the monitor together

[loud oxide]

Well I have a hard drive and my friend said it has windows 11

[fickle bolt]

Ok

Hard disk or ssd?

[fickle bolt]

Oh thats a thumb drive

[loud oxide]

That bad?

[fickle bolt]

Everything plugged in? Power switch on?

[fickle bolt]

Huh? Not bad you just messed up the terminology a bit, ur good

[tame kindle]

so, in that case i can consider getting a 1440p monitor now right ?

[fickle bolt]

Probably

[tame kindle]

or what would oyu personally suggest ?

[loud oxide]

I need help with the monitor cables now

[fickle bolt]

I mean if possible I would suggest getting a new monitor then a new gpu

[fickle bolt]

What's up

[tame kindle]

yeah im planning on upgrading both, sso im thinking of which to upgrading first only

[fickle bolt]

Does the cable look like this

[loud oxide]

Sorry I was looking for it

Yea it does

[fickle bolt]

Given how cheap monitors are now relative to gpus, I'd go gpu

Alr

[tame kindle]

Uhhh

[fickle bolt]

Okc

[tame kindle]

in my country shipping+other fee increases price of monitor and gpu by around 40%...

an rtx 5070 is around 830$ for example

[loud oxide]

Does it matter which hdmi goes into which one?

[fickle bolt]

Hot dang

[fickle bolt]

Nah

[tame kindle]

and a good monitor at 1440p is no less than 320$ , or thats the cheapest i found

[loud oxide]

Nvm they look different

[fickle bolt]

Dang, in that case there isn't really a good option

[fickle bolt]

Alr nw plug one end into the gpu like so

[tame kindle]

oh well just have to pay extra, if prices were as low as it is in the us i could've gotten both now, so that's why for now im thinking whether to upgrade monitor or gpu first,i'll ugrade other one later in a few months i think

[fickle bolt]

And then the other end here

[loud oxide]

Done

[fickle bolt]

In that case gpu, you'll get much better performance while you wait for monitor.

Even if it is a little low res

[loud oxide]

Done again!

[tame kindle]

yeah, and if i go monitor first then i'll have to suffer while i have to wait for a new gpu

[loud oxide]

Can I flip the monitor so it faces me now

[fickle bolt]

Alr now find monitor power cord

[fickle bolt]

Yea

[loud oxide]

Found it

[fickle bolt]

Wait it's plugged in lol I'm blind

Ok

Now this is super important

[loud oxide]

Only the monitor is plugged in

[fickle bolt]

Well make sure the pc is plugged in too, then flip this switch

The "I" should be pressed in

[loud oxide]

Everything is connected to the ups

But it does say that any watts is being drawn from it

[fickle bolt]

Idk

Wdym

Also, if ur ready, we can start setting up windows i think

[loud oxide]

Give me a second

I’m just being cautious here

[fickle bolt]

Wsp?

[loud oxide]

Okay I think I’m ready

[fickle bolt]

Alrighty

[loud oxide]

Nothing will explode right

[fickle bolt]

That's the hope

[loud oxide]

So what’s next

[fickle bolt]

Push da button

Assuming you switched it on

[loud oxide]

I just did

And I think everything is fine bc the second that I did, my keyboard light went on

(Green)

[fickle bolt]

Alr, ur monitor is on too right?

Has light like this?

[loud oxide]

No

I don’t know how to turn on the monitor

[fickle bolt]

Should be a button around this corner

[loud oxide]

I did it

It says no hdmi signal ?

[fickle bolt]

Ok that's fine

Turn the pc on and film it🔥

[loud oxide]

Uhh I’m not sure if this is what you mean

But it does turn on, then says no hdmi signal and turns off

[fickle bolt]

This is after turning the pc on?

[loud oxide]

Wait am I supposed to turn on the pc ? Cuz the fans aren’t moving

[loud oxide]

No it’s off…

[fickle bolt]

Yes lol

[loud oxide]

How long do I hold the power button ?

[fickle bolt]

Should only have to press once

[loud oxide]

Ups says no power is being drawn?

[fickle bolt]

Weird...

What's the pc look like?

Are the fans on

[loud oxide]

Wdym if they’re on?

[fickle bolt]

Spinning

[loud oxide]

No

[fickle bolt]

Uhh it looks like it might be a problem with your ups

[loud oxide]

Do I turn the power supply on and off?

[fickle bolt]

No

[loud oxide]

Yea it could be

But it doesn’t make sense bc the monitor is drawing power from it

Since my phone is charging from it

And my keyboard turned on and it’s connect to the case

Case and monitor are both connected to my ups

[fickle bolt]

You might just try plugging it into a power strip for now and figuring out the ups later

Unless your area is prone to outages

[loud oxide]

I don’t trust strips

I will in a second, I need to find one

[fickle bolt]

I might not be able to help you finish this, i really need to be getting to bed soon

[loud oxide]

I did smth just now

And now there’s like a noise coming from the ups

[fickle bolt]

?

[loud oxide]

That’s alright

I’ll just do some research on the ups

[fickle bolt]

Good idea

[snow dragon]

Just plug it into the wall for a second

[fickle bolt]

If you want, I can help you out tomorrow or cloud here can probably help

[loud oxide]

What if it like fries or smth

[snow dragon]

After the computer posts then turn it off

Wont happen

[loud oxide]

Alrighty

But is it safe to unplug the power supply ?

[snow dragon]

Yeah

[loud oxide]

Should I turn it off first

[snow dragon]

You can but it doesnt matter

Sometimes I turn mine off when I work, sometimes I just unplug it

or sometimes both

[loud oxide]

The monitor onto the strip too?

Or should I just keep it on the ups?

[snow dragon]

Might as well

[loud oxide]

Maybe I didn’t connect something?

[snow dragon]

I am not sure if you plugged in your front panel connectors

Cant find anything about that scrolling up

[loud oxide]

These haven’t gone anywhere

[fickle bolt]

Well that makes more sense now that i think abt it...

[loud oxide]

Still have these left too

[snow dragon]

Great

[snow dragon]

Not all cables that come with a power supply will be used

[loud oxide]

But did I miss anything?

[snow dragon]

Yeah those cables on the right

[loud oxide]

That one?

[snow dragon]

Here is where they go

You dont need jfp2

so forget about that

The one with two rows is the one you want

[loud oxide]

In the power supply?

[loud oxide]

I don’t even see a jfp1

Wait I found it

It’s on the motherboard

[snow dragon]

Yeah it shows it is on the bottom right corner

If you want you can just put a screwdriver on the first two pins lol

Just for a one time thing

But yeah the manual also shows the orientation

The powersw connector will have a + and -

And line that up with the top left two pins

first one is + second is -

[loud oxide]

Which side should be facing up?

[snow dragon]

Have the letters face down

In that first picture reset is at the top left but the manual shows it at the bottom right, so the second picture is right

[loud oxide]

This is hard

[snow dragon]

Yeah it sucks

All the case manufacturer had to do was put a little plastic shroud over those so you dont have to put each one in

Probably like 2 cents or something

This guy 3d printed his own lol

[loud oxide]

I got the bottom ones in finally

Now it’s the top part

Bruh it came off

[loud oxide]

I did it bro

What’s next!

There’s still these btw

It turned on

But 4 fans aren’t spinning

[small juniper]

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZqZDgn hi i am planing my first ever pc build and i was wandering if it is okey, it isnt in usd

[polar void]

yeah that looks good

[polar void]

that means they're not plugged in

you need to find their cords and plug them into the motherboard

[polar void]

These plug into your motherboard

[small juniper]

thanks

[polar void]

And then try to find this cable somewhere, there might be multiple

plug them into these motherboard connectors

@loud oxide

Then after that you need to connect this cable to your power supply

[loud oxide]

It’s too early for me

[polar void]

Into one of these three inlets

[polar void]

Ok well come back and read everything when you are ready

[loud oxide]

I’ll work on it 6 hrs and 30 mins from now. After I get home from school

[polar void]

then one of the other ends of that cable will plug into this

[loud oxide]

Oh yea there’s a problem, i plugged in a cable into my monitor and onto the gpu but no thing showed except “hdmi no signal”

The cable looks a hdmi but it isn’t one

[rare plover]

is the clanka actually right this time

[stoic island]

kinda but you should not be comparing scores from different benchmark versions lol

[rare plover]

Was just wondering how my (probably) new processor will be compared to the ones in my other computers

That Poor 6700

[polar void]

What you plugged in is a displayport cable

It is preferred to use that rather than hdmi with pc to monitor connections

On your monitor when it turns around change the input to displayport, or dp

1 or 2 whichever one is connected

[weary galleon]

the 6700 is significantly worse than both the others

here's the passmark comparison

[topaz rose]

for?

[crimson zinc]

Rivals scoreboard

[loud oxide]

Hello I’m back

[loud oxide]

I can’t seem to find this on my motherboard

[polar void]

There should be some somewhere

[loud oxide]

This is what it looks like rn

[loud oxide]

Oh my motherboard is the MSI Pro B650S WiFi V1

Idk if it’ll help you

This is the only one I could find that looked like the photo

[polar void]

there appears to be one here

[polar void]

those arent needed

[loud oxide]

I have smth connected there

That goes with the cooler

[polar void]

Oh

[polar void]

what about this one

[loud oxide]

Should I take it off then?

[polar void]

No

[loud oxide]

This is the one that you said wasn’t needed

[polar void]

Oh shoot i saw only the bottom pins my bad

[loud oxide]

So I use that one?

[polar void]

Yes

[loud oxide]

Which of them?

[polar void]

Once one of the cables is plugged into it, they should be able to daisy chain and plug into each other

Connect the green one to that motherboard slot you just found, then connect the reds to each other

[loud oxide]

You want one of them to in it and the other inside

[loud oxide]

Ohhh okay

[polar void]

After that find the rest of your power supply cables

This one, find it

then plug the 6 pin end into your power supply

[loud oxide]

It’s normal for the green one to resist a bit right?

[polar void]

yes just make sure its lined up

[loud oxide]

Just to confirm

[polar void]

yeah find that cable when you're done

[loud oxide]

This one?

[polar void]

correct

needs to plug into your power supply

[loud oxide]

Which one?

[loud oxide]

Done!

[polar void]

nice now go back to the other cable i circled in blue

[polar void]

this

[loud oxide]

Got it

[polar void]

that needs to plug into one of the cables you just acquired

[loud oxide]

Which one should I plug it into?

[polar void]

any

[loud oxide]

Alrighty

[loud oxide]

Done

[polar void]

ok now uh

[loud oxide]

Will I use that cable again or can I zip tie it?

[polar void]

dont do anything for now

so the 3 pin cables you plugged in earlier lead to your case fans, and control the rgb

the lighting

the fans should have another cable coming out of them

should look like these

[loud oxide]

I found these

[polar void]

this is gonna take forever

[loud oxide]

This 17 hr of it so far

[frigid jackal]

what is that for?

[polar void]

was there another male connector split off from anything here

[polar void]

the argb connectors

[loud oxide]

Male?

[frigid jackal]

https://tenor.com/eLjtFExC6gL.gif

wish I didn't get any rgb

shit was a pain in my dookie hole

[polar void]

meaning the one that has pins sticking out versus the female the one where pins go in

[polar void]

can you route this cord back into the back of the case then down the side to the bottom right of the motherboard

[loud oxide]

I don’t think so?

[polar void]

in order for the lights to work they all have to be connected one way or another

you need to find a way to do this on a slightly larger scale

[frigid jackal]

what's a ts82

[polar void]

short for TitanSlayr82

[frigid jackal]

ohh

what is that

is that ur name

[polar void]

what do u think

[frigid jackal]

idk

https://tenor.com/eLjtFExC6gL.gif

it could be some pc company

[polar void]

yes its my name bruh

[frigid jackal]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[frigid jackal]

my bad heh

trhats so loud

[loud oxide]

I can take the fans off?

[frigid jackal]

im like you now

oh nvm

I cannot change my nickname on this server 🤓

[polar void]

you might not have to, just connect everything

this is a part where i cant really point and say connect this and that

you have to think and hone your cable management skills

[loud oxide]

Do I need the rgb?

[polar void]

if you have to disconnect things in order to reconnect them in a better path thats more organized then do it

[polar void]

no, the pc will function without it

itll just look blank

[loud oxide]

I don’t need it or want it

I just wanna play games

[polar void]

then skip the 3 pins

[fickle bolt]

MY HEADPHONES BLEW UP WTF

[loud oxide]

Can I turn the pc on and test to see if the fans flow now?

[polar void]

yes

[loud oxide]

Oh yay they work

[polar void]

good

[loud oxide]

But this guy is bright for some reason

Woah 3 of them are now

[polar void]

lets see it

[polar void]

the heck

the middle front fan's connectors are somewhere

and you have to find the pwn connectors for all of them

and connect them all

[loud oxide]

Btw don’t worry abt the back ground noise

It’s the washing machine

[loud oxide]

I found some stuff

I found these 2 guy

[polar void]

alr good those are pwn fan cables

they power the fans

[loud oxide]

Okay where do I connect them?

Should I turn pc off beforehand?

[polar void]

always

[loud oxide]

Okay done

[polar void]

whichever one of these blue ones they are closest to

[loud oxide]

I’m making a sandwich

[loud oxide]

But the block box end only has 3 holes?

[polar void]

thats fine

[loud oxide]

I’m done

Should I test it now?

[polar void]

sure

[loud oxide]

I was gonna say only 1 from the right side is spinning but as I was taking the video

I noticed the middle one without like is spinning too

I got 2 of them to spin now

On the first image, the middle is spinning but no light

The fan above it has the lights on but no spinning

On the second image, the fan on the left is now on with light and is spinning

This is the one for the fan but idk where to plug it in

Cuz there’s no more spot

These are the remaining ones

Oh and this from behind

Alright I got them all to spin

But the light for the middle won’t turn on

[loud oxide]

Only the middle right won’t light up but everything spins

[tame kindle]

I'm about to buy a RTX 4060, I've seen this card get hated a lot, so asking here if anyone can tell me why I shouldn't

[fickle bolt]

It's fine

[tame kindle]

Why is it so hated though ?
Also remember I said rtx 3070? I changed my plan to 4060 instead

[plucky timber]

It's bad because of the price

3060ti outperforms it

[tame kindle]

Framegen+ dlss4?

[plucky timber]

Unless it's substantially cheaper than a 3060ti

It's still a 4060

[tame kindle]

I can get a rx 6700xt or 3070 but yeah

[plucky timber]

Fg and dlss isn't black magic

[tame kindle]

One is amd, other doesn't support framegen nor dlss4

[plucky timber]

fg and dlss isn't going to make up for the lackluster performance

I give it a $120 valuation at most

That's when it'd be worth buying

[tame kindle]

but then, rtx 3070 will still fall behind fps if we include fg, and 6700xt, I can't get that because fsr is so bad

[tame kindle]

I'll pay I think 300$

For the 4060 I'm thinkiing

[plucky timber]

Brother just get a used 3060ti

And use dlss

[tame kindle]

no fg

dlss2 only

[plucky timber]

It's still a faster card no?

[tame kindle]

Not if we Include fg

now a days without fg you can hardly hit 120+ fps in a lot of games

[plucky timber]

Ok I am biased tbh

[tame kindle]

Also

[plucky timber]

I don't play games that run like crap

[tame kindle]

B580 has MUCH better performances than 3060 ti and 6700xt I'm pr sure

[plucky timber]

Ehhhhh

I'd wait until drivers mature

[tame kindle]

I've been using Intel GPUs for the past year, just their driver and software are so bad I can't recommend it

[tame kindle]

Software is shit, drivers are good but in some games it's just no

[plucky timber]

I've never really had to use fsr and dlss

Mostly because I don't need it

I don't support studios that use FG and DLSS to make slop

[tame kindle]

Like doom the dark ages just won't launch on my arc a580 ever after driver update,it's been months

And when it did launch before this update, it was at 50% utilization

[plucky timber]

Matter of principle

But yeah it sucks that you need dlss and maybe fg to run a game decently nowadays

[tame kindle]

Agree for fg part, I think dlss is nice, and fsr is only good if 9000 series since that can do fsr 4

[plucky timber]

DLSS is good

[tame kindle]

fsr 3 or less is unplayable for me

[plucky timber]

FG is good

The tech is good

What the devs do with the tech isn't

[tame kindle]

I literally notice so much pixelation and blocky ness

[plucky timber]

I don't really use either so

[tame kindle]

so you don't recommend like me getting an amd ?

[plucky timber]

Can't really offer anything useful

[tame kindle]

I thought most people would just bash me and say amdamdamd

[plucky timber]

Look

It depends on the games you play

It's never black and white

That's a stupid opinion to hold

AMD can be good in certain scenarios

And absolutely trash in others

Especially when you throw anything at them that's not gaming

If you need a nvidia specific feature

You need an Nvidia

[tame kindle]

Like crypto mining ?

[plucky timber]

What? No

That's not profitable

Not in 2025

Even nvidia wouldn't do well

[plucky timber]

absolutely anything that would require cuda

[tame kindle]

Like raw performance ?

[plucky timber]

Cuda is the industry standard

Not exactly

If we're talking raw performance

Radeons can get pretty close

But once you start adding cuda to the equation

Ehhhh

[tame kindle]

Also the thing with Nvidia is
They have a new feature called dlss4 override, you can basically force any game that doesn't have native dlss to force enable dlss, it is so good

[plucky timber]

That's why radeons are only really good for gaming

so it's just fsr

But better

[tame kindle]

I'd say radeons are better in raw performance

[plucky timber]

Debatable

[tame kindle]

Nvidia beats out in ray tracing and features

[plucky timber]

They're not as efficient

Better performance/$ sure

Which is what people usually care about anyways

No point paying $100 more for an nvidia when the radeon performs the same

[tame kindle]

why did you recommend 3060 ti btw

[plucky timber]

Although these days you can find 9070XTs around 5070ti price

Might as well get the 5070ti

[plucky timber]

You can get it used under $200

[tame kindle]

don't you find fsr unbearable ? And the features in Nvidia seems so good too

[plucky timber]

Do I find fsr unbearable?

My answer would be

[tame kindle]

yeah

[plucky timber]

I don't care

[tame kindle]

you don't use them enough to

[plucky timber]

I use my igpu for half my games

[tame kindle]

but you know the difference between them right ?

[plucky timber]

I barely use my 3070

And even then I've never turned on DLSS

Or had the need to

[plucky timber]

DLSS offers better image quality on average

It's significantly better than fsr

[tame kindle]

Do you play any high quality new games

[plucky timber]

Define quality

I'd say it's all slop

Runs like crap

[tame kindle]

It's just I dont really like the pixelation

[plucky timber]

Plays like crap

Nothing special

[tame kindle]

Graphically good

Like clair obscur

[plucky timber]

Ok

[snow dragon]

Not true

[plucky timber]

That is ONE good game

[tame kindle]

expedition 33 is graphically good, really good game too

[stoic island]

In general, I would not recommend using either upscaling method when you're after actual image quality

[snow dragon]

You can use dlss 4 on that card and even turing

[plucky timber]

Well that brings into my other point

[tame kindle]

But runs so horribly

[plucky timber]

Don't got time really

Most of my time and money is invested into my servers nowadays

[tame kindle]

Really?

I thought dlss 4 was locked to 4000 and 5000s series

[plucky timber]

So what you're saying is that the 4060 is absolutely dogshit value

$150 3060ti all the way

[snow dragon]

Lmao

[snow dragon]

naw

You will have a larger performance hit though

[tame kindle]

Where's the catch on using dlss 4 in 3070m

[snow dragon]

Because the older cards do not have as much ai compute

[tame kindle]

So they're much less efficient and such ?

[snow dragon]

You will still get more fps over native but not as much as the older model

[plucky timber]

less efficient when it comes to ai compute

[snow dragon]

At the same time though

[tame kindle]

framegennn isn't supported in 3000s series

[plucky timber]

It's also half the price

[snow dragon]

The new model is better, so you can cope by reducing the resolution scale further if needed

[plucky timber]

Yeah it doesn't have frame gen

But it's half the price

[snow dragon]

Do you really want frame gen though

[plucky timber]

You can apply that principle and probably get a 3080 for the same price as a 4060 or something

[snow dragon]

Oh wait

Lossless scaling

[tame kindle]

Yeah like really.

[tame kindle]

Wouldn't go that high, 400$ for a 3080 if I'm lucky, gpu prices are really high here

Best I could is maybe 3070 or rx 6750xt

[plucky timber]

No ti?

[tame kindle]

3070 ti?

[plucky timber]

Yes

[tame kindle]

that's like 495$ on avh

Avg

[plucky timber]

That is a scam

[tame kindle]

I'd just add 5$ more and get 3080

while at it 4060 ti 16gb

[tame kindle]

Gpu prices are 50% higher here on average

[plucky timber]

Unfortunate

If you really need framegen then you don't have a choice

If it is an absolute necessity

[tame kindle]

for a lot of games to get 120+ fps, again I really do need framegen

[plucky timber]

Then you have no choice

[tame kindle]

Lossslessscaling over dlss?

[plucky timber]

Doesn't XeSS outperforms DLSS

[snow dragon]

No for frame gen

[snow dragon]

Which games

[plucky timber]

Oh wait frame gen nvm

[tame kindle]

But it has fg too?

[tame kindle]

Cyberpunk, doom the dark ages (??), expedition 33

[snow dragon]

Lossless scaling has its own frame gen yes

[plucky timber]

oh wait it does?

[snow dragon]

Yeah it can do 4x if not even higher

It wont look good though

But at least it can do it

[plucky timber]

Have you gotten lossless scaling working on linux

[snow dragon]

I have never bought it

[plucky timber]

I'm gonna use upscaling on tf2 so I can run it on my igpu

Oh

Sadge

[tame kindle]

whaa

[snow dragon]

Pretty sure you can though

[plucky timber]

At 300fps*

[snow dragon]

What you have rn

[plucky timber]

Tbh my igpu probably can run tf2 at 100+

[tame kindle]

then if I was considering 4060 over 3070 just for framegen, then...

[tame kindle]

current gpu ? Intel Arc A580, didn't build it myself that's why Intel gpu

[stoic island]

lossless scaling framegen is gonna be available for any hardware and prob going to look worse than both fsr and dlss

[plucky timber]

I'd take that a580 tbh

[tame kindle]

If fsr's pixelated ish look then it's really bad

[plucky timber]

Need that qsv for transcode

[tame kindle]

Get a a750 for like 5 bucks more

[stoic island]

Which FSR version?

[tame kindle]

3

Fsr 4 isn't supported unless 9060xt or 9070xt

[plucky timber]

A750 requires a 6 pin no?

Oh wait

[snow dragon]

Fsr 3 quality varies per game but overall it is not good

[plucky timber]

The a380 is the lp one

[tame kindle]

I've never seen any game that can use fsr without pixelation

[snow dragon]

Some games have some decent looking fsr, forgot which but you can count them on your hand

[tame kindle]

I hate the sharp edges pixelated look

[tame kindle]

Only game that uses fsr and I didn't saw a single pixel is genshin impact

from my experience

[stoic island]

FSR 3.1 had some issues with movement mainly

[tame kindle]

Do you think fsr 4 will be supported in 6000 or 7000 gens ? If so then I really will consider amd

[stoic island]

unlikely

[tame kindle]

But Nvidia did it with dlss4 so why can't they

[snow dragon]

There is a janky workaround in linux that emulates fp8 for rdna 7000

[stoic island]

You can do it right now but it's not official

[tame kindle]

Elaborate

[snow dragon]

But the gains over native are small

[snow dragon]

6000 not at all because it does not have ai compute

[tame kindle]

7600xt ?

[stoic island]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/105892/fsr-4-running-on-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-is-possible-but-performance-takes-big-hit/index.html

[tame kindle]

Wait amd 6700xt can use xess right ?

[snow dragon]

If you want to use linux, yes

But like I said the gains over native will be small

[tame kindle]

I doubt it's gonna be as efficient as my Intel arc a580s xess

But should be better than fsr

[snow dragon]

If the game supports it or if you use optiscaler to inject it into games that dont use it

[tame kindle]

yeah

[tame kindle]

optiscaler is annoying to use

[snow dragon]

It wont be as good as xess on arc but still better than fsr

[tame kindle]

Only game I've used it f is stellar blade

[tame kindle]

yep

Also

On rtx 3000s I'm pretty sure you can do framegen right

Xess framegen specifically

[snow dragon]

Not dlss but yeah

If not, you have lossless scaling to help

[tame kindle]

Only if xess was as supported as dlss, then wouldn't hesitate for it

[snow dragon]

All of this upscaling slop

[plucky timber]

7600xt is a pretty bad card

[tame kindle]

Is lossless scaling really that big of a deal? hard to imagine some software made by company is gonna be able to compete against the brand's own dlss

[snow dragon]

How about they make games that run well

[plucky timber]

Just don't

It's a radeon and a crap one at that

Don't expect it to be good at anything

Even in perf/$

[snow dragon]

Lossless scaling is made by one guy i think

[tame kindle]

raises my doubts further then

[stoic island]

biggest advantage of lossless scaling is that it's independent and therefore can support hardware from any company

[plucky timber]

What if it went foss

That would be dangerous based

Either that or valve acquires them

[stoic island]

guy wouldn't be able to make a living off of it prob

if valve picks it up that'd be huge

[tame kindle]

Also means it can break things at times, bugs, highly doubt its xess dlss level ?

[plucky timber]

If valve picks it up

Then it's coming to linux

[tame kindle]

I'm quite intrigued by this

lossslessscaling

[plucky timber]

It's gonna be a massive boost for steam decks

[stoic island]

haven't really seen it break anything

[tame kindle]

but then again, Nvidia already made their own version of it to some extent

[tame kindle]

Dlss4 override works on any game

[stoic island]

and tbh I mainly use lossless scaling for its original purpose, scaling older windowed games lol

[plucky timber]

Does it work as a generic upscaler

For say

A jellyfin server

[snow dragon]

wtf

[plucky timber]

reddit moment

[snow dragon]

Age verification?

Is that why

[stoic island]

lol

[tame kindle]

pull up your id cards and start verifying lol

[plucky timber]

Oh crap there's a jellyfin upscaling plugin

[tame kindle]

You don't lve in UK right

unlikely to be age verification then

[snow dragon]

Companies are trying to do it everywhere now

More data more datacenters

We need more data

youtube now has that ai thing that will read comments to estimate your age and if it thinks you are under 18 you need to prove it

[plucky timber]

This is why I hate microsoft

[snow dragon]

Trying to see lossless scaling linux stuff

[plucky timber]

Windows 11 is a data mining operation

[snow dragon]

Ok so you can use it on linux

https://www.protondb.com/app/993090

[plucky timber]

https://github.com/Kuschel-code/JellyfinUpscalerPlugin?tab=readme-ov-file#-installation-guide

oh crap

it's a drag and drop plugin

[dreamy lichen]

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor

Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler

ASRock B650 PG LIGHTNING ATX AM5 Motherboard

Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory

MSI SPATIUM M480 PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 PCle 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive

ASRock Challenger OC Radeon RX
9060 XT 16 GB Video Card

MSI MAG FORGE 321R AIRFLOW ATX Mid Tower Case

Montech CENTURY II 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

How does my build look?

[stoic island]

What budget, what country, and what's the purpose?

[dreamy lichen]

$1,500 USA, gaming, photography and video editing

I am unsure if my cpu has a provided cooler. It says it does not come with one even though it says boxed, which in my research means a cooler comes with it

[lyric thistle]

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-ryzen-7-7000-series-raphael-zen-4-socket-am5/p/N82E16819113793

Looks like they don't come with one

You can verify by checking your order whether it does, but I expect it doesn't based on that

[stoic island]

7800x3d does not, only 7900, 7700, 7600, 7500f and 7400f include coolers

You can check AMD's site

[lyric thistle]

You've ordered a cooler so you're good I guess

[stoic island]

Sounds like you'll likely benefit more from dropping from 7800x3d to 7700x and using the extra budget to try to fit in a 9070

In general, I'd start by using
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[lyric thistle]

My bad I misread, not ordered yet?

[dreamy lichen]

I have everything picked out from PC part picker

[plucky timber]

Please link the list

[dreamy lichen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mMXQWc

[plucky timber]

Do you need that specific case?

[dreamy lichen]

I liked the airflow it talked about.

Is it too big?

[plucky timber]

No

It's just overpriced

There's similar cases that cost way less

[dreamy lichen]

For the cpu cooler, how do I know if it comes with one? Or should I automatically just buy that cpu cooler since it has so much power?

Is there a cheaper case that has nice RGB while having excellent airflow? I won't use liquid cooling as I am afraid of leaks

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FZZTcx

I'd save money on the cpu

That money is better used for say a 9070 XT if you have the spare budget after the savings from thisblist

[dreamy lichen]

How much lower fps will I get? What are the RGB outlets labeled as? I would like to put 9 fans in my pc

Rgb too

[stoic island]

3pin argb for most argb fans

usually don't need that many fans though

especially with something like the montech x3 mesh with 6 included preinstalled fans

[stoic island]

for games, the upgrade to 9070xt is going to gain you a lot more fps than the CPU drop

[fallen sphinx]

380 for a 16gb is ugh

[stoic island]

the $300 deal one is gone now afaik

[dreamy lichen]

I would like positive pressure in the case. Would the 6 fans do that?

[plucky timber]

unless you can find something better

that's the best he can get

[fallen sphinx]

i mean its fine but overpriced a bit

well fine compared to other gpus overpriced compared to 8gb pricibg

[plucky timber]

that's just 2025

nothing you an do about it

[fallen sphinx]

trues

if 9070/5070 can fit in budget id do that

[plucky timber]

My personal approach to this situation is just to not buy anything

[fallen sphinx]

yeah get budget for 9070

[plucky timber]

I personally wouldn't pay a penny over $300 for a 9060XT

$200 for the 8GB model

[plucky timber]

eh

If he has the budget yes

[fallen sphinx]

compared to the current 16gb pricing 250$ for the 8gb is fine

[plucky timber]

Throwing money at the problem doesn't really solve it

[fallen sphinx]

true

[plucky timber]

It's only $250 because it's a stupid product

It shouldn't even exist

[fallen sphinx]

i agree

[plucky timber]

at least not as a 60 card

9050XT yeah

or 9060 non XT

[fallen sphinx]

but compared to other new gpus its fine for a 1080p card

[plucky timber]

It's only fine because it's the least worst option

In an ideal world $250 is a ripoff

you can't really price/perf max in 2025

[fallen sphinx]

except i did since im so cool

and then went and overspent on looks

[plucky timber]

I mean

🤷‍♂️

If you can afford it might as well

[fallen sphinx]

i can

multiple times over

[plucky timber]

I'm not a fan of 9070XT rn

depending on the week

[fallen sphinx]

my system rn is 1322, couldve been as low as 1150-1200

[plucky timber]

it could either be decent... because the 5070TI is out of stock

[fallen sphinx]

it can be found for ~650 on newegg

[plucky timber]

or the 5070TI is straight up better

meh

I mean

that's reasonable I suppose

[fallen sphinx]

rn its 700$ on pcpp vs 780-790 for 5070ti

[plucky timber]

yeah when it touches $700

that's when it becomes ehhhh

imo $650 should be the max you have to spend on a 9070XT

+10% is reasonable

after that the value starts diminishing if 5070TI comes into play

[fallen sphinx]

its not rly worth like 11% unless you only play with raytracing or you stream

[plucky timber]

lowest is $612 vs $749 (both out of stock)

I disagree

with the way the games industry is headed

DLSS and FG may not be that bad of an investment

Which brings me to my real point

the market and industry is stupid

dlss and fg slop everywhere

[fallen sphinx]

fsr4 redstone MIGHT, MAYBE, HOPEFULLY, even or come very close to dlss4

[plucky timber]

but that's not confirmed

I don't work with rumours

[fallen sphinx]

thats why i said the same thing in caps 3 times

[plucky timber]

still

[fallen sphinx]

obv dont go off that for a buying reasoj

unless you like gambling

and gambling is fun

[plucky timber]

Radeon's not that appealing once you get past the 9060XT tbh

at least in this market

if the 9070XT was a bit cheaper sure

right now it just costs too much

[fallen sphinx]

at 650 id argue the value is most def there

[plucky timber]

at 650 yes

[fallen sphinx]

sub 700 and that range

[plucky timber]

above that

ehhhh

I'd be fine at $675 even

the closer you get to $750

[fallen sphinx]

well i only see 780+ 5070ti

[fallen sphinx]

750 no.

[plucky timber]

you only see $780 today

[fallen sphinx]

720. Eh??? if you like amd then yes do that

[fallen sphinx]

trues

[plucky timber]

this is what I really hate about this market

nothing is constant anymore

it's even spread over to motherboards

half the decent boards are out of stock

the other half are asrock

and the prices keep fluctuating

in my opinion a $650 9070XT is on par in value with a $750 5070TI

$100 savings for not that much tradeoff

but using today's prices as a reference

you don't get any of those

2025 moment

[fallen sphinx]

eagle ax is super cheap rn

”cheap”

[plucky timber]

it is

$139 for an X3D board

There is ZERO reason to buy slop vrms

[fallen sphinx]

lowk image my setup costed 1150 thatd be sick

like wtf

[plucky timber]

to be fair

[fallen sphinx]

1150 for high end asf components

[plucky timber]

you could probably match that in late 2024 more or less

with a 7900XTX

[fallen sphinx]

my friend bought a 4060 and 1440f for 1100

[plucky timber]

actually no

not with an x3d

[plucky timber]

what

[fallen sphinx]

yup

[plucky timber]

ok not even in the worst parts of 2025

[fallen sphinx]

i told him id sell

[plucky timber]

would that be a reasonable price

that is a skill issue

[fallen sphinx]

my 3600x + 3060ti for 650

[plucky timber]

I've seen better prices during feb-april

when prices were in the gutter

[fallen sphinx]

with a free mouse + keyboard + 6tb hd

[plucky timber]

that's thing not even worth $800

on the market

[fallen sphinx]

not even close

[plucky timber]

$550 in terms of price/$

$750 if you sell to idiots on ebay

[fallen sphinx]

whats mine worth then

i think 650 is fair for allat

[plucky timber]

x3d and 9070xt

you can

oh

hmm

[fallen sphinx]

the other one

[plucky timber]

eh

ddr4 and zen 2

what's the rest

I give it $550 in price/perf

realistically you can sell it for $750

[fallen sphinx]

b450m, 650 watt like C+ tier?, and then the other stuffs

[plucky timber]

b450m what?

[fallen sphinx]

uh

[plucky timber]

can it take an x3d?

if not

$550

[fallen sphinx]

hdv r2 smth along those lines

[plucky timber]

wait

$500

[fallen sphinx]

it has a 2x2 power connector 😭

[plucky timber]

my brother in christ

that is a glorified a320

[fallen sphinx]

Yup

but

[plucky timber]

it is one of the worst AM4 boards

period

[fallen sphinx]

650 is reasonable to get

[plucky timber]

not just on b450

I wouldn't even put a 3600x in there

[plucky timber]

$600

max

[fallen sphinx]

with a g502 hero, meh 65% keyboard and a 6tb hdd?

[plucky timber]

get rid of the peripherals ja

I don't count those in prices

[fallen sphinx]

i need to get rid of mine

so im including them

[plucky timber]

er

I give $50 for peripherals

still $600 really

sure you got the hdd

[fallen sphinx]

i can upsell that for 650 to some random kid lmao

[plucky timber]

but that's better sold sparately

the hdd is worth more separate than in the system

[fallen sphinx]

not mine to sell seperately

[plucky timber]

I mean

yeah you can upsell it to $650

but it's worth $500 + 50 max

[fallen sphinx]

they wont know that

[plucky timber]

see

[fallen sphinx]

100$ is like a pretty busy day at work

[plucky timber]

the issue I have is mostly that motherboard

[fallen sphinx]

yeah it sucks

[plucky timber]

I wouldn't even use that thing in a prebuilt

[fallen sphinx]

theres a reason i upgraded

[plucky timber]

In fact even prebuilts don't go that low... usually

[fallen sphinx]

it was a prebuilt

i wasnt allowed to build my own system

[plucky timber]

hence usually

[plucky timber]

ok so

whoever built that system

should be executed

[fallen sphinx]

wait

you havent heard the worst part about it yet

[plucky timber]

on principle alone

[fallen sphinx]

💀

uh

the ssd was held in by tape

[plucky timber]

It is morally reprehensible to pair THAT motherboard with even a ryzen 5

[plucky timber]

was it an nvme

[fallen sphinx]

yup

[plucky timber]

yeah sounds about right

[fallen sphinx]

like

wasnt mentioned at all

[plucky timber]

whoever built that system does not have a good moral character

yes I'm going there

that's how much the pc pisses me off

[fallen sphinx]

just adhesive and a broken off screw in the nvme socket

[plucky timber]

it is not only a bad product

[fallen sphinx]

it was nearly 800 btw

[plucky timber]

but actually has a real chance of self destructing just because of how poorly the part selection and assembly was

[plucky timber]

it'd be an insult even if it was $650

at least msrp

with THAT quality

[fallen sphinx]

ONLY decent thing abt it

the gpu has an lcd screen

[plucky timber]

...

[fallen sphinx]

🙂

i put a one piece gif on it

[plucky timber]

the screen's not gonna fix your vrm temps

a cherry on top of a turd is still a turd

[fallen sphinx]

yuh huh

[plucky timber]

the funniest thing is

compare your current pc to that

even after your splurging

it is still miles better even in perf/$

[fallen sphinx]

500$ more for like 4x the perf

[plucky timber]

there is no comparison really

[plucky timber]

and with real vrms

that motherboard triggers me every time I see it

💀

paying $800 to get a ssd held together by literal tape is insane

[fallen sphinx]

yup

[tame kindle]

rn i can get 7700xt, 6800 or 3080 or a 5060 for the sameish price, which one do i go with ?

[plucky timber]

What are the requirements?

[tame kindle]

wdym

[plucky timber]

what are you using the gpu for?

on paper the 3080 is the most powerful card

[tame kindle]

gaming

[tame kindle]

at 1440p ultra ish, only 62 fps, in the testings i saw, in cyberpunk

[plucky timber]

source?

[languid nimbus]

doesn’t sound too far off tbh

note there is a 10gb and 12gb version of the 3080

[plucky timber]

I mean

just don't play at ultra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0jjxWRcp_0

[tame kindle]

but then again a 4060 ti with framegen would give me double the fps

[plucky timber]

3080 is the best performer overall

[tame kindle]

even though 3080 performs the best

[plucky timber]

then get the 4060ti

[tame kindle]

do you think the 3000 series will ever support FG

any hope?

[languid nimbus]

nope

[plucky timber]

I don't really look into that area of tech

It's not really a key area of interest for me

I cannot say with any degree of certainty

but given that it's nvidia

no

[tame kindle]

if only most games didnt need framegen to be good

[plucky timber]

eh

just depends on the game you play

If your games need framegen

you need framgen

[tame kindle]

every single game thats coming out

needs fg to some degree

[plucky timber]

right

[tame kindle]

they are THATunoptimized

[plucky timber]

I'm glad I haven't bought a single AAA title in years

[tame kindle]

like what do you mean a rtx 3070 at medium graphics at 1080p only gives 57 fps in clair obscur

its not like the graphics is something insane either

[plucky timber]

all I can say is

you play AAA

you get AAA performance

that's just how the AAA scene is

nothing you can do about it

[languid nimbus]

it’s unfortunate but yeah devs just don’t care about performance lol

[tame kindle]

the only new "aaa" game that's well optimized is stellar blade

[plucky timber]

the only way to win is to not play

[tame kindle]

i was honestly thinking of a ps5 for it but oh well

[languid nimbus]

also also worth noting pls don’t get the 4060ti 8gb version lol

[plucky timber]

unironically a ps5 might be decent value

[tame kindle]

it's fine

[plucky timber]

in this market

[tame kindle]

im planning on upgrading to 1440p, so for now since im on 1080p, the 8gb version will be okay

[plucky timber]

what's your monitor size btw

[tame kindle]

24inches at the moment

[plucky timber]

💀

that's on the 1440p range tbh

[tame kindle]

by the way, my i7 12700k, should be fine right ?

[tame kindle]

what no way, 24 inch is like the standard 1080p FHD size

[languid nimbus]

I can’t imagine there’s a significant price difference in 8gb and 16gb, but it’s quite literally double the vram and a ton of games are pushing the limits on it already

[plucky timber]

should be fine doing what?

[plucky timber]

disagree

[tame kindle]

27 inchis on 1440p

[tame kindle]

HOW

[tame kindle]

on 1440p?

[plucky timber]

doing what at 1440p

gaming?

depends on the game

[plucky timber]

pixel per inch

[tame kindle]

is there any game the i7 12700k wouldnt be able to take in 1440p

[tame kindle]

pixel count stays the same doesn't it ? just less pixels per inch

[plucky timber]

the pixels are physically larger

[tame kindle]

even if its like 27 inches or 21 inches, it's still gonna be a 1920x 1080

[plucky timber]

the pixels themselves are physically larger

to the point that it starts to become noticable

that's why a 15 inch 1080p display may "look" less pixelated than a 24 inch display

[plucky timber]

oh you can DEFINITELY notice a 27 inch 1080p display

[tame kindle]

does that effect performance?

[plucky timber]

...

[tame kindle]

absolutely