#building-and-recc-chat

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plucky timber
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Whereas a custom build would factor in upgradability in the parts selection, making it cheaper in the long term to own even if it costs more initially (custom builds almost always cheaper)

hazy drift
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its a single stick ๐Ÿ˜”

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ohhhh

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I got a 2TB ssd, and the PSU is 850 watt

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tysm for this link, so upgrading too much rn isnt worth it due to the motherboard?

plucky timber
plucky timber
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that's actually a good thing

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if it's a 6000mhz stick you could potentially just get another 16gb stick

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save yourself 40 bucks

hazy drift
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Yess its 6000 mhz

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it took me a sec to check ๐Ÿ˜ญ

plucky timber
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hmm

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do you have more information?

hazy drift
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its t force brand

plucky timber
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do you know the latency?

hazy drift
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you mean ddr4 or ddr5?

plucky timber
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?

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no the cl

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would be extremely based if a prebuilt came with 6000c30

snow dragon
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You can check by going to the memory oc section in your bios or downloading cpu z

snow dragon
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I think this is what amd wanted

plucky timber
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At least they're filling in the low mid range now

hazy drift
plucky timber
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eh

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not too bad tbh

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it's not optimal but not that bad

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at least it's not 5600 cl38

hazy drift
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sounds bad ๐Ÿ†˜

plucky timber
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what color is the dimm?

plucky timber
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It's just mediocre

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if it was below 6000mhz then it would be crap

hazy drift
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Alright thank god ๐Ÿ˜ญ

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OMG

plucky timber
hazy drift
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Sorry, which one is that?

plucky timber
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your ram stick

hazy drift
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Oh its red

plucky timber
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well that's annoying

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they don't sell them in singles

hazy drift
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Damn

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So it would just be better to get this one?

plucky timber
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yes

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it's got lower latency too so

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you spend more money but ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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can probably get some moeny back from selling the stick

hazy drift
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I was thinking the same

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Ill just upg my ram for now. Then whenever I can build a new pc i can use the ssd and ram I have

plucky timber
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you could potentially reuse the cpu

hazy drift
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Really?

plucky timber
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yeah

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it's relatively bad... but it's not the worst thing in the world

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OEMs hate selecting good parts

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I say relatively bad

hazy drift
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Yeah they always have the weirdest combinations

plucky timber
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but that's only relative to other am5 cpus

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it's still a decent enough chip

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you can upgrade to a better motherboard and put an x3d in it

hazy drift
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but if i upgraded my gpu would any bottleneck happen?

plucky timber
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eh

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bottleneck is relative

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it's different for each use case

hazy drift
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ahh

plucky timber
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I wouldn't worry about bottleneck that much

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it measures how much potential performance you're not getting

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but if you have to spend $500 to get that extra bit of performance

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is it really worth it

hazy drift
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yeah honestly nah

plucky timber
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it depends on the specific scenario tho

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but the thing is you're at this awkward mid point

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where you're not getting the worst performance

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but upgrading is a pain because well

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you're spending a lot of money but for not all that much performance gain

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I'd keep the cpu for now

hazy drift
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Got it

plucky timber
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a gpu upgrade would be possible within the $500 budget

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although the power supply would limit the options

hazy drift
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850 is too little?

plucky timber
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is it a 850w?

hazy drift
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Ye

plucky timber
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wtf?

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on a 4060 system?

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are you sure it's 850?

hazy drift
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let me just double chec

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ya its 850

plucky timber
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the hell?

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are you sure it's not the same model pc that has a more powerful gpu?

hazy drift
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Nope ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ

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I got the 4060, I bought dis exact one

plucky timber
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do you know the specifics of the psu?

hazy drift
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Ye the company is high power which im assuming is basically no name

plucky timber
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errrr

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sus

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I wouldn't push it

hazy drift
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Prob unreliable?

plucky timber
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prob a bomb

hazy drift
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๐Ÿ˜ญ well that wouldnt be good since i sleep close to it

plucky timber
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it could be an oem unit

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I need more information

hazy drift
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would a pic be helpful?

plucky timber
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yes

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@sullen spoke could you please give this person a role?

hazy drift
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belgh

plucky timber
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thanks

hazy drift
plucky timber
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hmm

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does it have any more info

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oh wait

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found it

hazy drift
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Ye all the other sides are just black

plucky timber
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nevermind

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wait

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huh

hazy drift
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Is that bad !!

plucky timber
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er

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one moment

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here's the thing

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I'm either looking at a bomb or actually a solid unit

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I think it might actually be a good psu?

hazy drift
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I had the pc for like 11 months now so Ig its somewhat reliable

plucky timber
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well

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that's not a good indicator

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it haven't really been subjected to load

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a bad psu always have the potential to blow up

hazy drift
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Hmmm

plucky timber
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but anyways

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you're either looking at a bomb or a good unit

hazy drift
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Probably better I dont use it for a custom build then?

plucky timber
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well here's the thing

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if it's a good one

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you can

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that's what I'm trying to figure out

hazy drift
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Ahhhh

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Is it cus its unusual for 850 watts to go with a 4060?

plucky timber
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from what I can see here their 80+ gold units are genenrally good

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from the limited information I can see

plucky timber
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this might actually be a good unit wtf???

hazy drift
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rare prebuilt W xd

plucky timber
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it is

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you have no idea how lucky you are

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due to the uncertainty I wouldn't really push a 6950XT

hazy drift
plucky timber
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there's usually no point spending more money on an nvidia if you just play games

hazy drift
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Yewah that makes sense

plucky timber
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they're pretty overpriced these days

hazy drift
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we're in a world where the 1080ti is as good as the 4060 ๐Ÿ’”

plucky timber
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eh

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I'd argue that the 4060 is a pretty garbage card

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at least relative to the 3060ti

snow dragon
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Nah 4060 is faster

plucky timber
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ok I call bull

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oh you mean relative to the 1080ti?

snow dragon
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Its similar to a 3060

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yea

plucky timber
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yeah ok lol

snow dragon
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1080ti is like a 6600 xt

hazy drift
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O dam

plucky timber
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it's a bad card because it's a bad product

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not because the performance is bad

snow dragon
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6600 is in between a 1080 and 1080 ti

hazy drift
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i heard someone say no nvidida card is bad, just the prices

plucky timber
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welllll

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I'd argue any 60 tier card with 8GB is crap

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for BOTH nvidia and AMD

hazy drift
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thats fair

plucky timber
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for how much they usually go for on the market 8GB is outrageous

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the 9060XT 8GB is under $300 which... is still stupid that a 60 tier card is 8GB

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on the other hand it's under $300 and there's not that many options aside from refurbs

snow dragon
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When the rx 480 from 2016 had 8 gigs

plucky timber
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hey it's a duopoly

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what you gonna do

hazy drift
snow dragon
plucky timber
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I use arc btw

snow dragon
hazy drift
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woaw

plucky timber
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that was a reference btw

hazy drift
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Are intel gpus actually good?

plucky timber
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I don't actually use arc

hazy drift
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oh LOL

plucky timber
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it's a play on words

plucky timber
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I'd buy one just to use their encoder

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but not for gaming

snow dragon
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You can expect a few crashes but overall they seem to be pretty decent now

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They have been improving really quickly

plucky timber
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intel is the new radeon fr

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damn

hazy drift
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Its interesting to see

plucky timber
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refurb 6700xt isn't that much of an upgrade

snow dragon
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They are improving their cards way faster than radeon

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That is also true

plucky timber
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yeah it's ehhhhh

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would a 9060XT be an upgrade compared to a 4060 I wonder

snow dragon
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Not sure the best gpu upgrade, i guess 9060

plucky timber
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hear me out tho

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500 budget

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don't upgrade the ram

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get a gpu

hazy drift
plucky timber
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depends

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on which model

snow dragon
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You can get a 9060 xt and ram for just about 500

plucky timber
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is that so?

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16gb?

snow dragon
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Yeah the challenger is 370

hazy drift
snow dragon
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Pulse is 370-380 or smth

plucky timber
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I wonder what's for refurb then

snow dragon
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But all open box is dry now, people are keeping their cards

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Both micro centers in my state have no open box 9060 xts anymore

hazy drift
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When the time comes im gonna try and sell my 4060

snow dragon
plucky timber
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yeah

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it's actually a really good time to sell

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the low end market is desperate for gpus

snow dragon
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Nvidia cut supply from their consumer cards

plucky timber
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it's a crap year to buy gpus

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which goes both ways

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selling is good

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use that to your advantage

hazy drift
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Aaah

plucky timber
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how much is uhh

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the 9060XT 16GB again?

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oh there's literally nothing cheaper

hazy drift
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I think the msrp is like 350

snow dragon
hazy drift
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Woaow

plucky timber
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wtf

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is the price under control now

snow dragon
hazy drift
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AMD is really the goat rn

plucky timber
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how does it compare to the 7700xt again

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oh wait more vram

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yeah that makes it better by default

snow dragon
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7700 xtx basically

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But way less power draw

plucky timber
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so like

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4070?

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I really should get one silent keyboard

snow dragon
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Oh wait xtx means more cores lol

hazy drift
snow dragon
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No its just a 7700 xt with more vram

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4070 still faster

plucky timber
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hm

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honestly not bad

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it's not double but it's a sizable gain

snow dragon
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Wait in those games it actually is slightly faster

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lol so it is a 7700 xtx

plucky timber
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fits within the budget

snow dragon
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Then you do the undervolt and gain even more

plucky timber
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before accounting for the sale of ram and gpu

snow dragon
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I think I gain like 8% over stock no kidding

plucky timber
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Might get it down to the $300-370 range after selling the 4060

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hmm

snow dragon
hazy drift
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๐Ÿ™

plucky timber
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let's say $150 for the 4060 and $40 for the ram

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eh not $40 it's used

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$30

hazy drift
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ye its still 16 gb after all

snow dragon
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150 is extremely generous

plucky timber
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hmm

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$120?

plucky timber
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market is crap

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exploit the hell out of it

hazy drift
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WHATTT ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ

snow dragon
plucky timber
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DO IT

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$200+

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BASED

snow dragon
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Dude honestly

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250

hazy drift
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250 for a used 4060 feels like robbery

plucky timber
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it absolutely is

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take advantage of it

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let's say $230-250 for the 4060

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$30 for the ram

snow dragon
hazy drift
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Ive never actually sold a pc part before but, do I need the box or something for it?

plucky timber
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you're looking at $260-280

hazy drift
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Since it came in a prebuilt

plucky timber
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that's half the upgrade paid for

plucky timber
snow dragon
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ohh yeah you gonna need pack it

plucky timber
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tons of bubble wrap

snow dragon
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wrap it in newspaper and get packing peanuts or whatever they are properly called

plucky timber
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what you could do is

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you could use the box from the new gpu

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and add more packaging material to fill up the space

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and then put it inside another box

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that's properly packed

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ram is a lot more annoying so

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tons of bubble wrap

hazy drift
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I seee yeah I dont want them complaining

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I'll try to sell it local too tho

plucky timber
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local is less hassle

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yeah

snow dragon
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correct

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just learn how to deal with facebook marketplace npcs

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they are certainly an interesting species

hazy drift
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๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚

plucky timber
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so $465-230

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$235

hazy drift
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I was just about to ask for the link omg

plucky timber
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honestly that's a massive upgrade for $235

snow dragon
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Oh yeah the big guy card for 380

plucky timber
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well

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$235 net expense

snow dragon
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I think you can gain like 10% over stock if you oc it to the max

plucky timber
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yeah

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you have a bunch of oc headroom too

snow dragon
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Adrenalin will let you go to 200w

plucky timber
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assuming that the psu is the good high power

hazy drift
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woaoww

plucky timber
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goated

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I've been shitting on the market but this is one of those times where the crap market saves someone money

hazy drift
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Should i buy a 1440p monitor atp

plucky timber
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I mean

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you can

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the gpu's capable of 1440p ye

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up to you really

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you could also start looking at saving money for a better cpu

snow dragon
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I think it would be worth as fsr 4 matures

plucky timber
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although that'd be an x3d so that's a significant financial commitment

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I'd just keep the cpu really

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it's mediocre but upgrading it is not that cost effective

hazy drift
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People ALWAYS love to hype up 2k, but I dont want it to be a situation where i spend bread on a 1440p monitor and it to not be that different from 1080 ๐Ÿ˜ญ

plucky timber
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well

plucky timber
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that depends on the size of the monitor

snow dragon
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what monitor you got rn

hazy drift
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most id go is 27 in

hazy drift
plucky timber
snow dragon
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27 inch 1440p still has more pixel density than 24 inch 1080p

plucky timber
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that you'd have to spend a fat chunk of money to get better performance

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so I'd just keep the cpu for a couple years really

hazy drift
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yeah honestly

plucky timber
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it's not bad just relatively bad

snow dragon
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I have 25 inch 1440p

plucky timber
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you want a monitor that's big enough that you'll see the difference from 1080p

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anything bigger than 24 inch would be good

snow dragon
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So I am kinda close to a larger monitor 4k density but still closer to 27 inch 1440p. Pretty close to being retina imo

plucky timber
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27 inch is actually the max I'll go tbh

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that's before you get into the 4k sweet spot

hazy drift
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Hmmmm

snow dragon
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The ones that monitor geeks splurge over are 24 inch 1440p monitors, but those are rare

plucky timber
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I'd argue a 27 inch 1440p would look "better" than a 30 inch 1440p

snow dragon
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Yeah 30 and over is 4k territory

plucky timber
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24 is decent but like

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I'd just go a bit higher

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to get the most out of the purchase

hazy drift
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I just feel like 27 inches would be too big xd

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pause..

snow dragon
plucky timber
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depends on your ideal monitor size really

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25 would be good

hazy drift
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25 inches at 1440p is noticable going from 1080 at 25?

plucky timber
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definitely

hazy drift
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Betttt

plucky timber
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I wouldn't buy a 27 inch 4k monitor but it's almost big enough for 4k

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I like how we went from ram upgrade to an ram + gpu + monitor

hazy drift
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I could never get a 4k MONITOR ๐Ÿ˜ญ

hazy drift
plucky timber
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yeah the prebuilt is mediocre but

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the psu was a welcome surprise

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assuming that it's the good unit

snow dragon
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which cpu

plucky timber
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8700F

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It's the weakest R7 but like

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it's still AM5

snow dragon
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Yeah

plucky timber
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not that cost effective to upgrade honestly

hazy drift
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ye upgrading that for now would prob be a waste

plucky timber
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indeed

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you can sit on that for a couple years

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it's not just the cost of the cpu too it's the motherboard as well

snow dragon
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Especially if you actually do go up to 1440p

plucky timber
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I'm pretty sure you need a new board for an X3D

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unless next gen AMD releases a R7 (non X3D) that's stupid powerful

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still tho

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$280 net cost for the upgrade

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insane value

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god bless nvidia tax + crap market

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how much did the prebuilt cost I wonder

hazy drift
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When i bought it, it was like 1.1k before tax

plucky timber
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oh

hazy drift
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def a horrid deal but ay

plucky timber
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I mean

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relative to 2025 prices

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yeah it still is tbh

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but after overhauling it...

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1.4k I'd say

hazy drift
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Yeah its not too shabby

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It came with a decent cpu cooler and case too

plucky timber
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it's not that bad tbh

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it's not great but it's signficantly better in terms of perf/$ comapred to the original

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probably better than some custom builds out there

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If you were to build something like it today this is what it'd look like

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oh wait

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hold up

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lol I got an X3D in there

hazy drift
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jeez a prebuilt at this price in 2025 would suck sooo bad

plucky timber
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it absolutely would

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although this is pretty unbalanced

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you wouldn't pair an X3D with a 9060XT

hazy drift
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the cpu is too good?

plucky timber
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no

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it's just that you'd probably get a weaker cpu and a better gpu

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to get the more performance/$

hazy drift
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ooohhh

plucky timber
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$1533

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or if I minmax

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$1434

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so yeah this is just for fun

hazy drift
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a $700 gpu is scary

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def a beast tho

plucky timber
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yeah but if you look at the over all price

snow dragon
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It was supposed to be $100 cheaper though

plucky timber
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it costs the same as your pc if you upgrade the ram and gpu

plucky timber
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see what I mean about prebuilts being overpriced?

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๐Ÿ’€

hazy drift
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yeah ofc

plucky timber
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but still

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1.4k is pretty good considering that it's a prebuilt

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if you compare it to custom builds it's not very good but it'd destroy any prebuilt at 1.4k

hazy drift
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100%

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im excited to work on this pc to make it better

plucky timber
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wtf is this

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5200mhz

snow dragon
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fr

hazy drift
plucky timber
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the irony is that it's not

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16GB of vram is going to be a constraint for running any serious AI models

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that goes for most consumer gpus tbh

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ok damn the prebuilt market isn't as bad as I thought

hazy drift
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last time i checked its just filled with 5060s

plucky timber
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nvm this is dogcrap

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why is this 1.1k

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this isn't 2024

hazy drift
plucky timber
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actually last year a 1.1k pc would probably have a 7700XT or a 7800XT

plucky timber
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shenanigans

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the gpu market was a lot better last year

hazy drift
plucky timber
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er

hazy drift
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idk if this website is trustworthy but dammm

plucky timber
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don't use that site

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~ubm

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!ubm

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hazy drift
plucky timber
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snow dragon
hazy drift
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i had a feeling when the 5060 was their best user rated gpu

plucky timber
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I usually look for reviews from gamers nexus or hwub

hazy drift
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Got it, ubm tries so hard to defend theirself so i thought it was alr to use

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rare plover
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Whatwould you guys say is better, sapphire pulse or gigabyte gaming

sullen spoke
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Idk much bout gpu but everyone seems to hate gigabyte after some of the incidents theyโ€™ve had

obsidian wigeon
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thermal glue leakage incidents

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it's harmless tho, but just stupid how it happened at all

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either way sapphire pulse is the better one

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polar void
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snow dragon
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# fickle bolt What is a taco

Ah, the taco! A culinary marvel that transcends the ages and unites palates across the vast expanse of this world! A taco, in its most splendid form, is a delightful creation consisting of a folded or rolled tortillaโ€”be it corn or flourโ€”imbued with a veritable cornucopia of fillings that may include seasoned meats, fresh vegetables, zesty salsas, and an array of delectable toppings such as cheese, guacamole, and sour cream.

The origins of this delectable dish can be traced back to the ancient civilizations of Mesoamerica, where the humble tortilla served as both a utensil and a vessel for sustenance. Imagine, if you will, the noble warriors of yore feasting upon tacos after a long day of battle, their spirits lifted by the savory flavors that danced upon their tongues!

In the modern age, tacos have evolved into a myriad of variations, each more tantalizing than the last, from the classic carne asada to the innovative fusion tacos that incorporate flavors from distant lands. Truly, the taco is a testament to the creativity of humankind and a celebration of the culinary arts!

Now, dear inquirer, what other queries or musings do you wish to explore in this grand feast of knowledge?

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fickle bolt
still roostBOT
# fickle bolt Is it still a taco if I use naan?

Ah, what a fascinating inquiry you present! The essence of a taco lies not solely in the specific type of tortilla employed, but rather in the harmonious union of ingredients that create a delightful experience for the senses. While the traditional taco is indeed crafted with corn or flour tortillas, the use of naanโ€”a glorious bread of Indian originโ€”can certainly be viewed as a bold and innovative twist on this classic dish.

In the realm of culinary exploration, one must embrace creativity and the fusion of cultures, for it is through such endeavors that we discover new and exciting flavors! Thus, should you choose to envelop your savory fillings within the warm embrace of naan, you may very well create a delightful concoction that could be affectionately dubbed a "naan taco."

However, let it be known that this creation may not adhere strictly to the traditional definition of a taco, yet it shall undoubtedly be a delectable experience worthy of admiration! So, I say, forge ahead and indulge in your culinary adventure, for the world of tacos is vast and ever-evolving, much like the tales of knights and their quests for glory! What other culinary conundrums or inquiries do you seek to unravel?

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languid nimbus
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Banning this bot

lyric thistle
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do it

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expeditiously

rare plover
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Please d

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O

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Nobody likes mee6

gleaming arrow
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any recommendations for like a full setup at like 1.5k

plucky timber
gleaming arrow
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Gaming and schoolwork

plucky timber
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What kind of schoolwork?

weary galleon
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Schoolwork ๐Ÿ˜

plucky timber
lyric thistle
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Homework folder

plucky timber
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And audiophile headphones

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Peak "homework" experience

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does anyone know monitors

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I'm just gonna have a $200 placeholder

gleaming arrow
plucky timber
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define regular

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are you going to be running any software in particular?

gleaming arrow
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it's not for me but no it's just like, canvas lol

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also my bad the budget is more like 1.2k ๐Ÿ’€

plucky timber
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Not flexible I assume

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here's two lists

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one fits the budget one doesn't

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regarding the peripherals (monitor, keyboard, mice) they're just placeholders

gleaming arrow
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The 57/800X3d arenโ€™t worth?

stoic island
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only when your budget is high enough where you can fit in a good GPU before trying to fit in a x3d chip

gleaming arrow
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Gotchu

valid hollow
pseudo pollen
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Yo guys, I have a PC I was going to use for a Minecraft server, but I was wondering if it's also possible to run a photo server (immich) on it

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And if it is possible without too much of a performance hit, would I need a gpu for encoding and facial recognition

weary galleon
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Encoding can be done on cpu I think, facial recognition almost certainly need a gpu

polar void
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first

stoic island
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@near nacelle What exact application do you use for music?

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I would also still prioritize more storage first since I have 2tb+4tb and don't have that much to spare

polar void
near nacelle
near nacelle
polar void
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now you're talking

near nacelle
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Cuz the fans I already have are white, no need for rgb stuff

polar void
near nacelle
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But that's not a demanding app

stoic island
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Doesn't look like there are great benchmarks for fl studio or ableton, just going to assume 7600x and 9600x performs close enough as with most other cases

near nacelle
stoic island
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one advantage of 9600x is noticeably faster av1 encoding and rendering

stoic island
near nacelle
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Ram can be white

polar void
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it can be either, we gotta make sure you like it lol

stoic island
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personally I would not pay much attention to the color of your ram, it occupies very little of the total space and won't contribute anything unless you want rgb on it or it stands out from the background color

polar void
near nacelle
stoic island
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white ram on black mobo may look odd, and switching to a white mobo is going to increase the costs by quite a bit

near nacelle
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Lets do black Ram

polar void
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aight

near nacelle
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That will blend in, the bigger parts can stand outโœจ๏ธ

polar void
# near nacelle That will blend in, the bigger parts can stand outโœจ๏ธ
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same price different brands

stoic island
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just remember that you're mainly going to be looking at it from the top

polar void
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and the side yeah

polar void
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bigger one will run cooler

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and that one has light up logo

near nacelle
polar void
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alrighty

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Note: this is with the same model of storage upgrade as Mr1111's list but it is 2tb instead of 4tb

stoic island
polar void
polar void
stoic island
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Nothing really wrong with it when the color matches the background of the case

polar void
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trust me its noticeable

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plus the bottom cables will be sticking out more

stoic island
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I did have a matx board in an atx case before lol

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It's fine if you use the cable management gromets in the case

polar void
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then what is the builder's preference @near nacelle

near nacelle
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Give me just a moment to look and compare, I'm actually at work rn caregiving

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Let me swap with someone

polar void
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๐Ÿ‘

stoic island
near nacelle
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Oh this website is dope, I've never seen this before!

polar void
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lil comparison i made

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the motherboard will look like its floating lol

near nacelle
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There's no specific performance differences between the atx and micro atx, it's just a preference and potential to change to different cases?

polar void
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yeah and usually more stuff can fit in/on an atx case

stoic island
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The second x16 slot on mATX boards is rarely ever needed, and is still available if you need it

near nacelle
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I think my last question would just be between the cpu performances. The price between the two is around 30sum, and @stoic island does the 7600X and 4tb, vs slightly higher cpu and 2tb storage?

stoic island
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From TPU

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173fps to 177fps is a 2% difference for games on average

polar void
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yeah i guess 7600x is fine

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the only thing i disagree on is the motherboard but if thats preferred then i recommend it along with him

stoic island
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Oh and btw @near nacelle if money is more of a concern, in the end, you can always change the 9070xt for a 9060xt 16gb to save the couple hundred, and that'll also give some more room for cosmetic changes if you'd like

polar void
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oh yeah that can be done too

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9060xt is less performance of course but still should be a solid upgrade and work well with your monitor

stoic island
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Actually at that point you can reuse the 3060ti

near nacelle
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Lmao

polar void
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i suggest not reusing it

near nacelle
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Thank you both for the help and suggestions so far btw. Money shouldn't be hard to save a pinch more for the 9070xt

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Just having trouble deciding and comparing while on break rn

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My shift is done in just a bit and I'll have more time to compare, I've built a friends pc that had the micro atx once a couple years ago

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Just imagining for things like ports for my capture card, and if it's better to do more storage and 7600x or 2tb with 9600x and upgrade it later

polar void
lyric thistle
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Seems like the only thing they put on boards is x1 or x16

stoic island
stoic island
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Anyways in the end all of the design decisions are going to be up to you, pick around what looks good to you since you're going to be the one looking at it anyways. We can help you make picks for price and performance, but everyone's idea of aesthetics is slightly different.

stoic island
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Like when they have 3 x16 slots but they end up running like x8-x4-x4 if you actually want to use all of them

gusty pasture
fallen sphinx
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aio matches the color, cheaper ram/board/case

polar void
fallen sphinx
polar void
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and mr1111 insisted on the xg7000

polar void
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its all personal preference

snow dragon
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fr

fallen sphinx
polar void
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to you

fallen sphinx
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better to just go full white atp

polar void
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nah

fallen sphinx
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or black/white mix

polar void
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yes

fallen sphinx
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white b650e 150$ rn

polar void
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no

snow dragon
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white inside black can look good if you dont add too much white

fallen sphinx
snow dragon
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I think aio will be good

polar void
polar void
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i respect the builders decision of white aio in black build

fallen sphinx
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Oh the price increased

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rip

snow dragon
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I have black inside white

fallen sphinx
snow dragon
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a mix of black and white inside of white

gusty pasture
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Lul

plucky timber
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What is the problem here

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Aesthetics are subjective no?

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Especially if they specifically asked for it

snow dragon
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I wonder if x4 and x2 would still knock it down to x8

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Not sure if anyone tested that

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Prob depends on the board

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Whether it uses the spare lanes for m.2 or not

plucky timber
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AMD moment?

gusty pasture
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Pcie x12 isnt a thinf

snow dragon
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Some boards though have some leftover lanes that could be used for m.2 but I guess either way it wont matter

polar void
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does anyone here have experience with the paypal ui, specifically the web browser version

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this says this

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and yet

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there no button

weary galleon
polar void
manic cloak
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Iโ€™m building a pc for a friends brother & he does like long movie editing. Like 1-2 hour long etc, the questions are does he need 256gb of ddr5 (heโ€™s upgrading from ddr4) and what ram timings would he need?

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Heโ€™s got a z790 Elite Aorus AX and I see itโ€™s only 192gb max, I donโ€™t know if thatโ€™s enough for something like that?

analog hearth
manic cloak
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very helpful โ˜๏ธ

stoic island
manic cloak
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But i'm guessing the usual or higher ram tunings is what would be best for video editing?

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Then whether it's 2x64gb or 4x32gb

stoic island
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like the spec was written before 48gb sticks came to market so it was never updated

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12900kf only officially supports 128gb but is running 192gb from MSI's screenshot

stoic island
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the usual guidance of 6000c30 is geared towards at max like 2x48

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4x48 you're going to have to lower your expectations

weary galleon
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PayPal is my passion

manic cloak
stoic island
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Expect 5200c whatever to work, hope 5600c whatever to work, rarely you might be able to get 6000c whatever to work

manic cloak
stoic island
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lower your expectations to that so you won't get dissapointed

stoic island
manic cloak
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good to know, probably will have to find him a good ass GPU too considering he only has a 3070

stoic island
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You're generally going to be bound by your CPU for video editing anyways

plucky timber
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mfw 6400c32

manic cloak
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I mean it'll save $100 but that's also at the cost of using all 4 lanes.

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But the selection for the 2x64 sucks.

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I have no clue what he has for storage, word for word he has "2.5tb of nvme, 2tb of hdd, 8tb of externals, 3tb of ssd"

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hopefully it's enough power though?

plucky timber
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Context?

snow dragon
plucky timber
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If ram capacity is more critical than speed

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Then it's not necessarily that bad of a tradeoff

manic cloak
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I think ram capacity is probably what he wants best over speed

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I mean, he's only running 32gb of ddr4 at something slower than 3200.

plucky timber
manic cloak
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He originally wanted 256gb of ram

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Then I told him how much thatโ€™d cost & he kinda switched up

plucky timber
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That's not that specific tbh

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It also depends on the complexity of the edit

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Does he actually need the ram tho

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Is he running out

snow dragon
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if he is using 32 i do not think he needs 256

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probably 64

valid hollow
near nacelle
polar void
near nacelle
sharp crater
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Sooo I'm building a new pc for borderlands 4 and also so I can do Content Creation, I'm looking to get the parts over time for my build as my current pc might actually run bl4 but I wanted to make a new build so I can actually be able to play bl4 when I get a new 1440p monitor

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3VD6zP

I already have the ram and I'm gonna be going with bazzite Gnome for my OS, heres the list down below if you don't wanna click the link.

โ€ข CPU - Ryzen 7 9700x
โ€ข GPU - RX 9060 XT XFX Swift OC
โ€ข MOTHERBOARD - Gigabyte X870 Gaming Wifi6 ATX
โ€ข RAM - Corsair Vengance 16x2 DDR5 6000 (Bought!)
โ€ข CASE - Montech King 65 PRO
โ€ข STORAGE - SK Hynix Platinum p41 2tb m.2 & 1 - WD Gold 4tb HDD
โ€ข CPU Cooler - Montech Hyperflow ARGB 360 Liquid CPU Cooler
โ€ข CASE Fan - Ones included with the Case
โ€ข PSW - MSI MAG A750GL

plucky timber
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Bruh

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it just had to be vengeance ๐Ÿ’€

sharp crater
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I got it for free, my room mate bought it for her pc but she didn't know her pc didn't support ddr5

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so she gave it to me

plucky timber
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eh

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that's fine then

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It's still pretty much the worst kit but if it didn't cost any money

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๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

sharp crater
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why is it bad?

plucky timber
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pretty much every kit on the market is better

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even the cheaper ones

sharp crater
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the clocks are bad on it?

plucky timber
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it's a corsair specific problem

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they just don't make good ram kits

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It's not as bad as ddr4 vengeance

snow dragon
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Their timings are slower than other kits and they cost more

sharp crater
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I don't believe the performance of the ram is gonna affect performance of my pc that bad, if thats the case i could buy a different kit

plucky timber
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so ddr5 is just a really bad kit for the price rather than being a really bad kit

snow dragon
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So not bad, just mid

plucky timber
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if it was ddr4

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I would've probably told you to swap it out

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ddr5 is just extremely mid for the price

sharp crater
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but I got it for free

plucky timber
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I know

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but you should still keep that in mind for the future

sharp crater
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I shall

plucky timber
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do you need the AIO for aesthetic purposes?

sharp crater
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if any instability happens I'll buy another kit to replace it, besides the ram any other thoughts on the other parts? I did my research on the parts

sharp crater
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but my current pc is kinda donkey anyways

plucky timber
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what's the price

sharp crater
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everything in total?

plucky timber
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the aio

sharp crater
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90 on amazon

plucky timber
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christ

sharp crater
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Nothings really cheap, I could go for an air cooler

plucky timber
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nah

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you can get a thermalright for $50

sharp crater
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whats its cooling performance compared to the montech aio?

plucky timber
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There's no direct comparisons

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but you'd see around similar temperatures

sharp crater
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well if it's cheaper I'll consider it then

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also would I need a usb drive for bios updates and stuff?

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or if i bought the mobo and cpu I could just put it in and it works outta the box

plucky timber
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you need to install windows

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or the os of your choice

sharp crater
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I'll be going with Bazzite for my OS

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I already have a drive thats ready to install it

plucky timber
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Case also aesthetic?

sharp crater
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I really like Montech's cases

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yeah

plucky timber
sharp crater
plucky timber
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It's $40 cheaper

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9700X is only a couple percent faster

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absolutely NOT worth $40

sharp crater
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oh ok

plucky timber
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gonna check if there's a cheaper case

sharp crater
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I think im gonna stay with the same case

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: )

plucky timber
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right

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It's kinda overpriced but it's not really my decision to make

sharp crater
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i think it'll be better then my current pc regardless

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it's such a mess

plucky timber
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what is your current pc?

sharp crater
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a hodgepodge

plucky timber
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and what is the "hodgepodge"

sharp crater
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โ€ข CPU - Ryzen 5 5600x
โ€ข GPU - RX 6600 XFX Speedster
โ€ข MOTHERBOARD - Asus Prime B550 M-K
โ€ข RAM - G-Skill Ripjaws V Series 8 x 2 DDR4 3200
โ€ข CASE - Asus R.O.G STRIX GDK-10 Stock Case
โ€ข STORAGE - 1x Crucial P3 PCIe gen 3 m.2 & 1x Toshiba 1TB Hard Drive
โ€ข CPU Fan - Ryzen Wraith Stealth Cooler
โ€ข CASE Fan - 1x120mm fan that came with the case
โ€ข OS : Bazzite-Gnome

plucky timber
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ok yeah that's not really worth upgrading

sharp crater
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Yeahhhh

plucky timber
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motherboard alone kills the upgrade path

sharp crater
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which is why I'm going with a newer pc

plucky timber
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you can keep the ssd

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and hdd

sharp crater
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oh

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the HHD is dead

plucky timber
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you can keep the ssd

sharp crater
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because I was a dummy

plucky timber
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If you don't need the AIO for aesthetics reason you can go down to a RK120 for $29

sharp crater
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I used to be on kubuntu and then a issue came up with my N3dsxl and I had to save it, I didn't make a dual boot so I had to uninstall and reinstall windows 11 and i ended up encrypting the HHD

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HDD*

plucky timber
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really doesn't matter in terms of performance

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the RK120 can cool an X3D fine

sharp crater
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its also gonna be easier to install too

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I just need to get thermal paste

plucky timber
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the cooler usually has paste pre applied

sharp crater
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I was gonna use my trusty ol Kryonaut tube i have but after learning of it's degrading over time stuff I decided to switch

snow dragon
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Mine was not but it did come with a tube of paste

plucky timber
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or that

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also

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note that the gpu is a 3 fan model

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rather than the original 2 fan

snow dragon
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The thermalright paste is not bad either

plucky timber
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literally the same price

snow dragon
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tf7

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its actually good

plucky timber
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motherboard is

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well

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you don't need an X870

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The B650 Eagle AX can take an X3D

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updated list

sharp crater
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also noticed that

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Was about to ask why

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Doesn't B650 not have pcie gen 5?

plucky timber
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you have a gen 4 ssd

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I wouldn't really worry about pcie speeds

sharp crater
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oh, okay then

plucky timber
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It's not as big of a deal as you might think it is

sharp crater
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not even for gpu?

plucky timber
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even a 5090 barely saturates gen 3 x16

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and that's a 5090

sharp crater
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oh

snow dragon
plucky timber
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wait really

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the eagle ax has gen 5?

sharp crater
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Uh

snow dragon
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Yeah

sharp crater
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My PC just died

plucky timber
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oh sweet

sharp crater
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๐Ÿ™

snow dragon
plucky timber
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It still shocks me that there are practically no motherboards in that price range

snow dragon
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I think b650 is supposed to have pcie 5 m.2

plucky timber
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It's either the eagle ax or asrock

sharp crater
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Yeah... My PC is dead

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I think my power supply died just now or something

plucky timber
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oh wait

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b650-S wifi is back ins tock

snow dragon
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But the 5.0 x16 is not on b650, unless you roll back your gigabyte bios version

plucky timber
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so we have two motherboards in the sub $170 range

sharp crater
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I can't believe this

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I can't even post because I'm not level high enough to post images lol

snow dragon
sharp crater
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Oh well.. But yeah these new recommendations are great, thank you guys for the help ๐Ÿ™‚

plucky timber
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@snow dragon

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I wonder if these have blown up an X3D

snow dragon
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Not sure

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I have not seen a failure with those

sharp crater
plucky timber
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vrms are solid tho

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here's the thing

snow dragon
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your odds go down with a b650

plucky timber
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wait really?

snow dragon
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but 800 boards go up

plucky timber
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asrock's vrms are generally solid

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but ya know

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they blow up x3ds

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that's the annoying part really

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most boards at that price range are either asrock

snow dragon
plucky timber
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or the B650-S

snow dragon
plucky timber
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I'd maybe trust an x3d in this

snow dragon
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Was this a different click

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Like a bad sound

plucky timber
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probably not tho

sharp crater
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It's not turning on any more:(

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I think it died jim

plucky timber
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ok

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looking at it a bit more

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the b650M-P could probably take a non x3d tbh

snow dragon
sharp crater
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Wait it's because I think of my God dang usb fan

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What the heck

plucky timber
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I'd probably upgrade the B650-S to X3D tier tbh

snow dragon
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or tripped

plucky timber
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vrm config is quite similar to the eagle ax

sharp crater
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I can post images now and I found the culprit

plucky timber
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ok

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why exactly was that plugged into a computer

snow dragon
plucky timber
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is that a swamp cooler

sharp crater
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Because it gets hot and I wanted to be cooler

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No it's a usb fan

plucky timber
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a usb fan should NOT kill a computer

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would be extremely funny if this thing somehow sent a crap load of current back into the usb port

sharp crater
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Well my current PC is garbage anyways but it was leagues better then my dumpster laptop and my first gaming desktop

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Old picture of it but it's literally the same as it is now, the case has no airflow so I have to have the side panel off

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This was almost a year ago

plucky timber
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AHAHAHHAA

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ON THOSE VRMS

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AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

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๐Ÿ’€

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I love prebuilt scams

sharp crater
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My brother got scammed

plucky timber
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It's like it's impossible for these people to design a good product

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jesus christ poke a hole in front of the pc

sharp crater
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1800 dollars from a rent to own

plucky timber
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...

sharp crater
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I upgraded it

plucky timber
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my brother in christ that's worth less than $700

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...2 years ago

sharp crater
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It used to have a GTX 1650 super and a r5 3400g in it and only 8 Gbs of ram

plucky timber
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oh

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Is THAT why there's a 5600x running on those vrms

sharp crater
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Yeah

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It gets the job done

plucky timber
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ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

sharp crater
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It could be better I know

plucky timber
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B450M-K you say

sharp crater
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But believe me this is way better then my dumpster laptop

plucky timber
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oh jesus christ it's a 4 phase

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with no air flow

sharp crater
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Mhm

plucky timber
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ughhhhhh

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I wouldn't even put a 5600X on it

sharp crater
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I am sorry if my mistakes are triggering u

plucky timber
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's what killed the pc

sharp crater
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My new set up is gonna look way better anyways, I have it in sorta beta atm

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I recently switched to bazzite gnome but these photos are of my set up currently and yes it's scuffed but I literally just moved across like 5 different states and didn't have money to get stuff so most my stuff is from Facebook market place or my roommates

plucky timber
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it's functional no?

sharp crater
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It works

plucky timber
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I usually don't really judge aesthetics

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As long as it works it's doesn't matter if it's a rat's nest

sharp crater
plucky timber
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trust me

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the anime figurines are a bigger assault on my eyes than anything else in the pic

sharp crater
plucky timber
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still not worth $700

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ok you know what

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$700 in 2023

sharp crater
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the plushy is mine ๐Ÿ™‚

plucky timber
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for 6600xt and 5600x

sharp crater
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if the motherboard was better id say it could be 700 dollars

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for everything

plucky timber
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no

sharp crater
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?

plucky timber
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it's $700 for a 6600xt

sharp crater
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oh i misreaded

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my b

plucky timber
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yeah that was my mistake

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I remembered that it was a 6600 after i typed that

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that is a nice desk btw

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wait are the sides coming off nvm

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slightly-less-nice desk

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I am biased because I usually prefer functional setups

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I live by the rule of "You stare at your screen not your computer case"

sharp crater
plucky timber
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oh was it cheap?

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nvm

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good deal then

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can always have that fixed up

sharp crater
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i got it for free

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i got a lot of my stuff for free

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chair, free from a school

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Tv? not free, got it for 25 dollars, works great for the consoles : )

snow dragon
sharp crater
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I have a list of my peripherals if you're interested

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โ€ข MONITOR - Samsung Odyssey G5 Series 27' 1440p 144 Hrtz
โ€ข HEADSET - Corsair HS 80 MAX Wireless
โ€ข SPEAKERS - Logitech Multimedia Speakers Z150
โ€ข KEYBOARD - Evga z15
โ€ข MOUSE - Logitech G502 Wired Gaming Mouse
โ€ข MOUSE PAD - A old laptop case because I lost Mine when I moved lol

plucky timber
stoic island
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free is free

plucky timber
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that invalids all your arguments that the setup looks scuffed

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free is free

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in fact

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It's an AMAZING setup for free

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We here at newegg loves value

sharp crater
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oh cool ๐Ÿ™‚