#building-and-recc-chat

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plucky timber
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I'm going to look for a 9600x bundle hold up

snow dragon
plucky timber
midnight heart
lyric thistle
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Approximately 2000 miles

plucky timber
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What is the use case for this pc?

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if it's a gaming pc it'd definitely benefit more from the gpu than the cpu

snow dragon
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The gigabyte card has good cooling

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Especially vram

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Id even say its great

plucky timber
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it was the cheapest 9070XT

midnight heart
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its a first build

plucky timber
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what cad software

midnight heart
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like Autocad and such

plucky timber
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what is "and such"

midnight heart
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idk ,depends on what my uni uses next

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should be strong enough i think

plucky timber
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Some CAD software prefer CUDA

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You're going to have to be very specific regarding software

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That affects the gpu choice

gentle pollen
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Especially if he's not sure what his University is going to use next.

plucky timber
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Some cad software is also more cpu than gpu intensive

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Although

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It depends on how intensive the task you're doing actually is

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It might not even matter

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9070XT might be fine

midnight heart
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isn't 5070 OC good?

plucky timber
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You have two choices here

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The 5070 is weaker than the 9070XT overall

snow dragon
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How much slower would the 9070 xt be in apps that prefer cuda

plucky timber
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But it may outperform the 9070XT in very specific scenarios

plucky timber
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On a lot of things

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How much CAD will you be doing?

midnight heart
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110$ worth ?

plucky timber
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110 what

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less? more?

midnight heart
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cad

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more

plucky timber
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for the 5070?

midnight heart
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for the 9070

plucky timber
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yes

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it is worth it

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in gaming at least

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here's the thing

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are you going to use the pc more for gaming or for cad

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let's say for AutoCAD

midnight heart
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cad most of the time idk much pc games prob modded MC

plucky timber
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Assuming that cuda performs better,

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right

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so what's the priority

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so gaming is an extra rather than a main goal

snow dragon
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Sounds like majority work then

plucky timber
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alright

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9070XT going in the trash

midnight heart
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not to mention i started with a budget of 1400 😭

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but now its at 1800 lol

plucky timber
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wasn't it at $1800 when you started

midnight heart
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nah it was 1400 a week ago

plucky timber
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Do you want a 1400 list

midnight heart
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nop im fine with 1800

plucky timber
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Alright

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Actually

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Can you link the 7800X3D bundle?

midnight heart
plucky timber
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I want to see if that might be around the same price

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Oh that has the GPU too

lyric thistle
midnight heart
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i wish i could have gotten some parts from new egg

plucky timber
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Hold up

midnight heart
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but i just can't wait any longer or else im going to waste my summer

plucky timber
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That might be cheaper

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Is it just me or does nobody wait for shipping these days

midnight heart
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i ordered a prebuilt when i was 3 days reserch in and now im refunding it xd

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already waited 2 weeks no more waiting

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building it this weekend

plucky timber
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oh it's the same price as the 7600x build wtf

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what is this bundle

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The ram's CL30 too

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ok this is actually a bargain for $1800 CAD

plucky timber
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so this is closer to the original list

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with some price shavings

midnight heart
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question is having the ram and storage the same brand help?

plucky timber
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yes

midnight heart
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i see that u changed it so it matches

plucky timber
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the link on the cpu is the only one you need to buy

midnight heart
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would i need more fans?

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people tell me it might not be enough

plucky timber
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no

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those people have no idea what they're talking about

midnight heart
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lol

plucky timber
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the airflow's good enough

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spending money on extra fans is a massive cliff of diminishing returns

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you'd practically be paying a lot of money for almost no gain

midnight heart
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the power supply looks really good but i don't think i can wait for it to be shipped

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is it fine to get a msi mag a750gl

plucky timber
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I'd just wait for the shipping

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it's cheaper

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and it's better in the long run

midnight heart
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2 whole weeks of waiting for 15$....

plucky timber
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It's not just $15

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it's $15 less and an upgrade

midnight heart
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the build takes no more than 600 watts tho

plucky timber
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you also should take into account what you might want to put in that pc in the future

midnight heart
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i think it should still be plenty if I only upgrade the gpu

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can i replace the psu?

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like in the future?

plucky timber
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yes

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but you'd be spending another $100

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might as well just buy it now

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I really don't recommend sacrificing a deal like this over shipping

midnight heart
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that is true

plucky timber
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And besides if just in case you wanted to slot in a 5090 for whatever reason

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you can do that

midnight heart
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but i dont want my friend to wait for me for another 2 weeks just for the pc since he asked for a months already

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so ima just get the 750w

plucky timber
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ok

midnight heart
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oh and is there a case thats better or close to 115$ since im not getting it from newegg

plucky timber
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I don't recommend it but it's your pc

gentle pollen
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Tried checking other vendors?

midnight heart
midnight heart
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crazy

gentle pollen
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Another option is if your going to spend more, just check for a better PSU with faster shipping.

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Vs spending more for less

midnight heart
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every part should be here on friday night i will start building on weekends

plucky timber
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that montech 850w is the cheapst psu

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period

gentle pollen
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Hmm fair.

plucky timber
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unironically it's the cheapest thing that doesn't blow up

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the next best psu is well

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the MSI A750GL

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in terms of pricing

gentle pollen
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That's a decent PSU as well yes?

plucky timber
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there's this

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but I'm not sure what the shipping time is

snow dragon
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The sama unit is good too

plucky timber
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also this

midnight heart
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thats still more

plucky timber
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but it's around the same price

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🤷‍♂️

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no significant savings

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the Montech is the only one that actually saves money

gentle pollen
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Sooo

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Maybe?

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Wait, I might be thinking of gamemax

snow dragon
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Wait what

gentle pollen
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Double checking

plucky timber
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It's funny how the pcpp page goes to bomb to top tier

midnight heart
plucky timber
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is it cheaper

midnight heart
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around same

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for me

plucky timber
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It's up to you

gentle pollen
plucky timber
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both cases have decent airflow

gentle pollen
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I got them mixed up

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Gamemax entire listing = E.

snow dragon
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Yea its like b or something right

gentle pollen
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Sama listings are mostly B with some C and 1 E unit

midnight heart
plucky timber
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np

midnight heart
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have a great night everyone

gentle pollen
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Both are A tier but which would you guys consider better?

plucky timber
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the montech is a massive troll

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enters the market

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cheapest psu

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850w

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100 cad

gentle pollen
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DF2 1200W
Century II 1200W

snow dragon
plucky timber
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refuses to elaborate

gentle pollen
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DF2 uses 2x8pin to 12vhpwr

plucky timber
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it's not just the cheapest psu either

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it's cheaper than most 650ws

lyric thistle
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zamn

gentle pollen
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Both are A tier and same price after shipping.

plucky timber
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isn't the DF2 a bomb

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or was it the other one

gentle pollen
plucky timber
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the hell

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I swear one of them was a bomb

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oh it's the XT

gentle pollen
plucky timber
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I'd get the cheaper one tbh

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My methodology is

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up to 5080

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I don't see the 5090 as a real product

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scam card

gentle pollen
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50 cents difference between the two

plucky timber
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hmm

gentle pollen
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Only real difference is one has native vhpwr but less 8pin while the other has an extra 8pin but uses 2x8pin to 12vhpwr

plucky timber
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DF2

gentle pollen
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At least from what I can tell

plucky timber
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It's tuned better

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according to ZTT

gentle pollen
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Gotcha, that's the one that uses 2x8pin to the 12 Volt High Failure Rate Plug.

plucky timber
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for the montech

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like they're both good

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the DF2 is just slightly better

gentle pollen
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Noted, DF2 has half the shipping time as well

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My plan is to purchase it sometime next week and then get a 7900xtx or 5080 end of next month

plucky timber
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It's amazing what we do in this channel

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micromanaging price/perf to the nearest cent

gentle pollen
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Lmao yes

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Odd question.

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Do you know if 2x24GB dimms are able to do 1:1 easier on AM5 compared to 2x32?

plucky timber
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you might want to ask Mr1111 for that

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He's more knowledgable on memory

gentle pollen
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Gotcha.

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Was curious because my 9950x3D is game and idle stable at 6600 1:1 but not bench stable.

plucky timber
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you can run 6600?

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wtf

gentle pollen
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I got super lucky with this IMC

plucky timber
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Nice silicon you got there

midnight heart
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@plucky timber is a 46$ cooler enough to cool a 2k pc? it just feels wrong

plucky timber
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cooler price doesn't scale with performance

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the PA120 is the best price/perf cooler out there at the moment

gentle pollen
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I am currently running 6400cl26 1:1 with Nitro 1/2/0 and fCLK 2133 stable. Plan to tighten timings more before raising fCLK any higher

plucky timber
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nothing beats it

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except well

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well not in the canadian market

gentle pollen
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1.195v for SOC

plucky timber
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the Royal Knight 120 is slightly cheaper but that's in the US market

midnight heart
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kk

plucky timber
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Generally for AIOs you're paying more for aesthetics than you are for performance

gentle pollen
plucky timber
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CL26?

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that's pretty sweet

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I want to get a build with a 7200 cl34 kit just to run it at 6400 cl26

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the ram kit doesn't cost that much more

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then again that also involves silicon lottery with ryzen...

gentle pollen
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With a fan, some voltage, and a bit of impedance tweaking I am sure it doable

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Assuming Hynix A/M

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I found that running a frequency you know is not 100% stable makes it the easiest to test for impedance.

plucky timber
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I'm still waiting for 8000 on consumer platforms

gentle pollen
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If impedance is better matched, the test runs a lot longer

plucky timber
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Intel can do 7000+ but like

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Intel is kinda meh this gen

gentle pollen
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1:1?

plucky timber
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I think so?

gentle pollen
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I haven't been keeping up with what Intel chips can do.

gentle pollen
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So like if you can't do 6200 1:1 but can do 8000 2:1 you should opt for that

plucky timber
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Honestly I lean more towards intel

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It's like a nvidia scenario

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where they just fit my use cases better

gentle pollen
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Fair

plucky timber
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QSV, extra cores

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tho 3D V-Cache is another story

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we'll see tbh

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next gen will be interesting for sure

gentle pollen
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What is QSV?

plucky timber
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Quick Sync Video

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Intel's hardware encoder

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you need an igpu to use it

gentle pollen
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Oh okay.

plucky timber
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it's relatively efficient

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nvenc outperforms it these days

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but it's pretty nice to have

gentle pollen
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I disabled my iGPU to change my cpu's Bank Swap Mode to APU for better memory performance

plucky timber
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especially if you have a radeon gpu

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not really an essential feature

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It's just a niche thing that happens to fit my use case

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the Dgpu can generally encode fine

gentle pollen
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Gotcha. I definitely agree though, right tool for the right job.

plucky timber
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well nvenc might be better in certain scenarios

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so it really depends on the hardware pairing

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if a radeon gpu is chosen the qsv is a bonus

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if it's a nvidia

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ehhh

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that's a mixed bag

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for some reason the cpus with igpus can cost a lot more

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so there comes a point where you should just get the F instead

gentle pollen
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What are your thoughts on 7900XTX vs something like a 5070 TI or 5080 for Blender, Premiere, AE, and Photoshop?

plucky timber
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I'm biased against Radeon here

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Hmm

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It's last gen radeon vs current gen nvidia

gentle pollen
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I have a 3070 which simply just is not pleasant to work with in Blender due to slow renders, stutters, etc

weary galleon
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Pretty sure blender still prefers Nvidia pretty hard

plucky timber
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5080 will destroy the 7900XTX tbh

gentle pollen
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I occasionally see a 5080 PNY Verto show up for $1050 on Amazon.

plucky timber
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Only downside with nvidia is vram

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But most productivity software are biased towards nvidia

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Generally nvidia will be better

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Especially since it's a last gen radeon vs a 5070ti/5080

gentle pollen
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Hmm noted, so I guess my best bet is to go 5070 TI or 5080.

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Planning to upgrade my GPU finally after 4 years next month if all goes well.

plucky timber
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3070 to 5070TI/5080 will be a pretty decent jump

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Especially with the generational improvements

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Software wise

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And hardware wise as well

gentle pollen
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Agreed. And my CPU will finally get properly utilized in games lmao.

little osprey
little osprey
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How's this for the remaining parts

stoic island
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the extra maintenance just isn't really worth it since better performing LM and other thermal solutions have come out since then

little osprey
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I'll probably end up getting hydronaut extreme

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And I have thermal at home

stoic island
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I'd just use the mx-6 that'd come with the lf3 lol

gentle pollen
gentle pollen
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@little osprey so the 9800x3D will be easier to cool and tune but it is technically slower as it's max boost clock is 5.25Ghz whilst the X3D CCD on the 9950x3D defaults to 5.45GHZ but since it draws a lot more power you will want to make sure you have a good cooling solution in place. I personally strongly recommend PTM7950 with a good 360mm AIO.

little osprey
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The liquid freezer iii 360 pro is one of the best I can find for am5

gentle pollen
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I use a LT720 in Push/Pull.

little osprey
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I've used nzxt krakens for all my builds, so theyre all I know

gentle pollen
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My temps with no power limit drawing 200W is around like 50-60c during gaming.

little osprey
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Despite the 200mhz boost, the 9950x3d performs roughly the same in gaming

gentle pollen
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PTM7950 again is strongly recommended. What I do is I take the PTM7950 from ThermalGrizzly then stick the whole thing onto the center of my AIO's coldplate before pressing onto the CPU. since it is not conductive, there is no worries regarding it moving off the chip a bit and in my testing has helped temps slightly by spreading the heat pulled from the cpu across the coldplate a bit more.

gentle pollen
little osprey
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Is that addressable without shutting off one of the ccds?

gentle pollen
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If I recall people like to use CPPC, Process Lasso, or one other program I do not remember the name of.

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I personally use Process Lasso but haven't had any problems regarding CCDs for a while.

little osprey
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Oh I forgot

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I think you can address cores in task manager. Idk how well that works

gentle pollen
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never tried

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But anyways, 9800x3D for the easy choice.

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9950x3D if money is not an object and or if you do any sort of work that can use such power

little osprey
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I don't often use that much processing now, but it would be cool to have it for later

snow dragon
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You do not want ptm on a cpu

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Ptm is not as efficient as traditional paste when it comes to moving heat

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The reason it works better for gpus is because of their cooling solutions

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Gpus do not have integrated heat spreaders

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Ptm fights the pump out issue that comes with gpus

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to the point where even though it moves less heat than paste, it still performs better because it does not pump out

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But because that does not happen with cpus, you would get worse thermal transfer because they dont have this issue, unless you are on something like a laptop

snow dragon
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But if it does not you can always use some program like lasso

gentle pollen
snow dragon
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Because people dont really see a difference

gentle pollen
# snow dragon Because people dont really see a difference

I get my PTM7950 from ThermalGrizzly, now something to note is that I have a TG Contact Frame installed with a foam piece to prevent any PTM7950 from ever going below with IHS. Now with that said, what this did was it gave me the idea (that has shown to work) is I intentionally use the entire PTM7950 sheet on my AIO's coldplate and when it phase changes I have observed that it will wrap around the side's of the IHS ultimately giving me coverage on the side and top of it rather than just the top.

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I wish I took a picture when I repasted but my 7950X, the PTM7950 filled all the gaps between the notches on the cpu. This is a picture I grabbed off the web to show the notches I speak of.

7950XtitleNTVzk6cR95BeD6.png
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When I removed the 7950X from my pc to install the 9950x3D, the 7950X looked like it had an notched umbrella on it lmao.

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I have been debating trying the Kryosheet though.

little osprey
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Doh

gentle pollen
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Damn.

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Also my gosh that's a lotta money

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@snow dragon so I just ran CR24, CPU avg power consumption was 220 with a peak of about 260. Peak temp was 82.3c with an avg of 81.5c.

Note the scores are lower because I have some stuff for work open In chrome and other apps.

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Waiting for CR24 Single Core to finish then I will upload a screenshot.

little osprey
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The psu is in my area and they're delaying it for "severe weather"

manic cloak
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Anyways, this week with UPS a few packages will be delayed due to severe weather that happened earlier this week, with severe weather that’s on going now, and todays a federal holiday.

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Expect like a 1-2 day delay cause of that

midnight heart
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If I can get 7600x + 9070xt + gigabyte board + 32bg ram for 1500$ cad
Or
7800x3d + 5070 OC + asus tuf board +32gb ram for 1400$ cad
Which wins

weary galleon
midnight heart
weary galleon
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Both are gonna be overkill for what you're doing

midnight heart
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How much overkill

weary galleon
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Both those GPUs are aimed at 1440p or 4k AAA gaming

midnight heart
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I got a 1440p monitor

weary galleon
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9060xt might be a better bet for you

winged prawn
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How safe/reliable is buying open boxes in neweeg, even though the gpu is relatively new such as the 5080

acoustic bridge
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is this a good 800 budget build

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uh

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how do I send photos

mystic dune
little osprey
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It made it. This case is old so all the covers in the back and somewhere I can't remember

snow dragon
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Nice

midnight heart
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Is dual chamber better for a beginner

little osprey
little osprey
# snow dragon Nice

Everyone gave me shit for buying this MSI psu and it actually has some of the best stock cables I've ever felt

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Very silky feeling and pliable

snow dragon
little osprey
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Ohh

snow dragon
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The second chamber is where the power supply goes

little osprey
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Yeah, those were interesting the first time I saw them

snow dragon
little osprey
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Mines MPG. It's above the mag. I almost got one

snow dragon
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Yeah I forgot msi naming tiers

little osprey
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But, lian li made that evo dynamic or whatever

snow dragon
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But we are thinking of the same one

little osprey
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It was cool, but now it's super played out

snow dragon
little osprey
snow dragon
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Plus super popular, they are everywhere

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And look the same

little osprey
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I will buy atx mid towers until I die

acoustic bridge
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hi

fickle bolt
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Why the voice msg

midnight heart
plucky timber
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oh wait CAD

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eh

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pricey but sure

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tho there are still better priced cases

midnight heart
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by 60$

plucky timber
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I mean

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Those fans also aren't anything special

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the fans are pretty overpriced in the first place

midnight heart
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more the better!

plucky timber
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well

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is it?

midnight heart
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its just over 1550 usd for pc + key + monitor wouldn't say its pricey no?

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would be closer to a 1300 build

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which is like low-mid

plucky timber
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It's pricey because overspending on the case provides no benefits

midnight heart
plucky timber
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yeah alright

verbal quarry
stoic island
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The big advantage is the x47 being well, 47mm and the heatsink being that much bigger than the Noctua l9a heatsink plus fan at 37mm

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With any money saved there, I'd look at changing your storage situation

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Personally I'd do a single 2tb SSD over a 512gb and a 1tb, while storage costs are still pretty low, you can get a lot and still have the slots to get more in the future

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On the GPU side, I'd encourage you to look into trying to get a near MSRP 9070xt to fit in the case

crimson zinc
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I second that ^

snow dragon
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That cooler for 60 is insane

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Also you can save like $10 if you get the teamgroup tcreate instead

snow dragon
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Cards closest to msrp are oos

stoic island
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the full copper thing is an acquired taste but it does perform a bit better

snow dragon
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Perhaps this

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I think the cooler master units are noisy so I would recommend doing an undervolt and lower the power limit on the gpu, unless you don't care then it doesnt matter

frigid jackal
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starting around 24hrs ago my pc was kinda tweaking on startup, today it was tweaking again so I turned off every startup app I had (only 4-6 apps) and then restarted and when it came back it was still performing poorly. I updated my nvidia drivers, restarted, boom insta bsod and then it looped and looped so I reverted all of my bios back to their original settings and then it began an automatic repair process and said my pc failed to start properly or something so I restored to an earlier point and now everything is fine, startup is smooth, nothing seems out of the ordinary and I can't find anything in eventviewer about the bsods 💔
does anyone have any idea what might've happened? Maybe i isntalled something wack?

snow dragon
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Did you do a windows update

frigid jackal
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The last time I had a windows update was on the 12th

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that's a lie

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on the 19th I had one

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I don't really do the updates manually, i just let them do my dirty whenever I decide to restart my pc or start it up in the morning

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WAITTT I didn't see this but
The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x000000c4 (0x0000000000000062, 0xffff958dbf848f38, 0xffff958dbd87a780, 0x0000000000000001).

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Riot Games's Vanguard BSOD loop 🤣

snow dragon
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Ah yes

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The rootkit

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Wow color change

surreal finch
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could you guys rate my Pc part picker list

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i only have a 1000$ to spend

crimson zinc
surreal finch
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thank you

crimson zinc
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Are you open to refurbished/used goods?

surreal finch
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no

crimson zinc
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Okay, so brand new. Got it.

surreal finch
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i just dont trust used

crimson zinc
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I’d suggest getting a 7500f from aliexpress, but that’s up to you. Saves $70-80

snow dragon
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Ali tax is over?

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135

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hmm

weary galleon
snow dragon
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Thats more like it

plucky timber
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almost at the $1000 mark

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Even cheaper with 7500F

crimson zinc
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I forgot to factor in 6 core

fiery nova
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i want more fps

crimson zinc
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None
You’re pretty set dawg

fiery nova
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i get bad fps in d2 :/

crimson zinc
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You can go to a 9800X3D

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Skill issue

honest bronze
fiery nova
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yeah idk what to do

honest bronze
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Would it be better to build this?

crimson zinc
crimson zinc
honest bronze
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Hmm, its my first time tho so i am very scared about it getting messed up

crimson zinc
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I’ll tell you the same thing I tell other people

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It’s like legos

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Everything has a place

honest bronze
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Technic legos

crimson zinc
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Basically

honest bronze
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And the Operating system is what im scared

crimson zinc
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The bios is less scary than what people think
Just turn on xmp and chill

honest bronze
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Dont even get me started on the Cables yo

crimson zinc
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The OS is also fine, you can set it up automatically with a win10 license

honest bronze
crimson zinc
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There are

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You should be alright. jensen2

plucky timber
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What's with people building $2000 pcs and then skill issuing into getting bad performance

plucky timber
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in a market where the price in uncertain there are times where a laptop or prebuilt may be better value

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Building is better most of the time (especially now)

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but not always better

fiery nova
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im kinda dumb and want to learn more so

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idk what im doing wrong to get bad performance

plucky timber
#

See

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In order to elaborate

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I would have to know what's going on

calm tinsel
#

Looking for help with upgrading a 3 year old PC

snow dragon
#

I think he is having issues after reinstalling adrenalin

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Idk how I remember that

fiery nova
#

pretty much i think

calm tinsel
#

I’ve been getting blue screen and power failures

snow dragon
crimson zinc
#

You give me the gpu, and replace the rest

fiery nova
#

the only game i play is d2 so idk

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i get like 120 in cyberpunk

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in dense areas

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on high-ultra

snow dragon
fiery nova
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i think thats normal idk

crimson zinc
#

D2 has issues sometimes with performance @fiery nova you’ll never get more than 200+ on most planets due to the game just being ass-coded

plucky timber
fiery nova
crimson zinc
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@calm tinsel what’s ya budget

fiery nova
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i used to get like 165 all the time so idk what i did

calm tinsel
#

No real budget, just need it to work

crimson zinc
#

It’s booty

snow dragon
fiery nova
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1440

snow dragon
#

Yeah thats about right

crimson zinc
calm tinsel
#

Do most mobos support most psus? If so, can most builds use any gpu?

snow dragon
#

This guy is getting 180 in 1080p

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So thats good

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Its just d2 then

crimson zinc
#

@calm tinsel the only thing you really need to focus on is the gpu upgrade and cpu upgrade
Maybe some ram upgrade if needed

calm tinsel
#

It’s a prebuilt so I feel like some parts are pretty shit

snow dragon
#

Idk if this will do anything but I would try verifying game files or maybe do a reinstall if that doesnt do anything

calm tinsel
#

I linked above

plucky timber
snow dragon
#

Maybe a reinstall would be better but try verifying

fiery nova
crimson zinc
calm tinsel
snow dragon
fiery nova
#

ight

plucky timber
#

To be fair windows alone is a performance hog

calm tinsel
fiery nova
#

im on windows 10 still if thats hindering me

plucky timber
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No no no

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Stay on there

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Do not upgrade

snow dragon
plucky timber
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True

snow dragon
#

Also bungie is really scared of linux

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You will get banned if you play on linux

calm tinsel
#

It’s this PC

plucky timber
#

At least he's on win 10

crimson zinc
fiery nova
#

i had this on the middle setting i just changed it idk if thatyll help

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crimson zinc
#

That’s… not good

plucky timber
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Huh

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Is that a desktop

calm tinsel
#

Why?

plucky timber
#

Why does that slider exist

snow dragon
#

Idk some windows things do nothing

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I do not think the power modes do anything on desktop

fiery nova
plucky timber
#

I swear on my old win 10 install that didn't happen

crimson zinc
fiery nova
#

ya desktop

plucky timber
#

Oh it's the weird not-control-panel settings menu

calm tinsel
#

It’s also been failing on me. It’s 3 years old

crimson zinc
#

@calm tinsel you’ll need a whole new rig tbh

calm tinsel
#

Bought it for 800 back then

plucky timber
#

WHAT

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That is a scam

crimson zinc
#

I’ll need like a general budget from you

plucky timber
#

It's not worth $800 back then

calm tinsel
#

Why though?

plucky timber
#

It's worth even less now

snow dragon
#

Honestly you could just get some more ram and a used gpu

plucky timber
#

I'd pay $600 max

crimson zinc
#

@calm tinsel I can make the same pc, with 64gb ram, a 8x better gpu; and a better cpu for the same price

plucky timber
#

Back in the day

crimson zinc
plucky timber
#

Not back in the day

calm tinsel
#

I just want this one to be usable and decent lol

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I am planning to build a new pc for gaming

crimson zinc
snow dragon
plucky timber
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No seriously

calm tinsel
#

Doesn’t crash playing basic games or browsing

plucky timber
#

Right

calm tinsel
#

Will last a while

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A few hundred I guess? I dunno

plucky timber
#

Define "last a while"

calm tinsel
#

I want to diagnose the crashes mainly

plucky timber
#

How long? Doing what?

plucky timber
crimson zinc
plucky timber
#

Do a fresh installation of windows

calm tinsel
#

Ram is already upgraded

plucky timber
#

If that doesn't fix it then it's likely a hardware issue

crimson zinc
#

@plucky timber make him a list for like $800

plucky timber
#

No

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Too premature

snow dragon
calm tinsel
#

32 gb

crimson zinc
plucky timber
#

Let's figure out what's actually wrong with the thing

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Before telling him to spend 800 entire dollars

calm tinsel
#

Yeah most components should be fine

snow dragon
#

It may be the power supply

calm tinsel
#

How do I run tests for this?

plucky timber
#

Process of elimination

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There is no set procedure

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It's on a case by case basis

#

I'd do a fresh install of windows first

calm tinsel
#

Give me 1 task and I’ll do it

#

I did that already

plucky timber
#

Right

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Could be several things

calm tinsel
#

All normal updates and windows diags are normal

#

Drivers updated

plucky timber
#

Actually

#

Did you reset windows

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Or did you wipe the entire partition and installed a brand new instance

calm tinsel
#

I tried to do this actually but it kept making me reinstall from a cloud version, it had no saved files or anything

plucky timber
#

Very important distinction here before resetting windows does not necessarily fix the issues with the OS

plucky timber
calm tinsel
#

Should I delete the entire partition with windows on it?

plucky timber
#

Ideally yes

calm tinsel
#

Then which partition do I install the new on?

plucky timber
#

If you want to completely eliminate windows being the issue

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Make a new one

calm tinsel
#

Basically I installed the new version on the old version partition

snow dragon
#

Or rather

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It wipes it and does a fresh install

calm tinsel
#

I think that’s what I did

plucky timber
#

provided that you don't click the "upgrade existing install"
option

plucky timber
calm tinsel
#

Yup

plucky timber
#

from partition outside of the os environment

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did you use a usb thumb drive?

calm tinsel
#

I mean you guys are telling me and everyone else has as well that the parts are shit

#

So it’s most likely something failing after 3 years, right?

plucky timber
#

Not necessarily

calm tinsel
#

Usb yes

plucky timber
#

right

snow dragon
#

The 3050 is low end but that doesnt mean it fails quicker

plucky timber
#

I'd say you did it properly

#

what's your memory configuration if possible

calm tinsel
#

And I have the kernel errors. Isn’t there just a simple error report that can tell us?

plucky timber
#

a hwinfo screenshot would be ideal

plucky timber
#

The next thing I do want to eliminate is unstable memory config

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whether by mixing memory or the memory being faulty

calm tinsel
plucky timber
#

er

calm tinsel
#

Hwinfo, that’s a program?

plucky timber
#

yes

calm tinsel
#

Ok. What do you need?

plucky timber
#

memory

snow dragon
#

Call me crazy but try updating the bios

calm tinsel
#

I did that as well (I think)

plucky timber
#

Did you?

calm tinsel
#

Walk me through?

IMG_3546.jpg
plucky timber
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click the dropdown menu

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for memory modules

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take a screenshot of that

calm tinsel
plucky timber
#

right no mixed memory

#

I'd lean towards the motherboard or psu

snow dragon
#

rocket lake had avx 512?

plucky timber
#

wait

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wtf

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💀

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Unrelated but jesus christ

calm tinsel
#

Guessing not good?

#

What do we see?

plucky timber
#

It's bad but it's not causing the issues

#

so it's irrelevant

#

right

#

the most likely suspects are the psu and motherboard

calm tinsel
#

This would be really help to me - what is the way to test:

  1. gpu health
  2. Cpu health
  3. Psu health…
    Etc etc
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I’m guessing none are simple otherwise it would be obvious

plucky timber
#

Indeed

#

it's not that simple

#

Here's the part where I tell you that you have to spend money

calm tinsel
#

Even with error reports and all this

#

I mean I’m fine with spending money, I just want to spend it right

#

And not replace something that’s working

plucky timber
#

Well here's the thing

#

Sometimes you just have to take the plunge

#

C'est la vie

calm tinsel
#

So is that the end of diagnostic procedure?

#

No info?

plucky timber
#

no

#

You have to diagnose by replacing the parts

snow dragon
#

What power supply is in the computer

plucky timber
#

wait what

#

wtf are these prices

calm tinsel
#

Lol

#

That cannot be the only way

plucky timber
#

c'est la vie

#

you can make an educated guess

calm tinsel
#

Alr well which parts need upgrading most

plucky timber
#

not upgrading

#

replacing

#

but at this rate...

#

with these motherboard prices

calm tinsel
#

I need a whole new mobo??

plucky timber
#

and/or a new power supply

#

see here's the thing

calm tinsel
#

I thought gpu or power, maybe even cpu or hard drive

#

Would be the causes

plucky timber
#

a decent motherboard on LGA1200 costs more than a LGA1700 or AM5 for some god damn reason

#

It might be a decent idea to do a system upgrade at this rate

plucky timber
calm tinsel
#

I am working on that but it’s also been difficult as someone recommended a tiny case

plucky timber
#

the motherboard and psu are just the most likely culprits

calm tinsel
#

And my first build

plucky timber
#

ok so

#

what's going on here

calm tinsel
#

I actually built the entire PC and it worked for 2 weeks then stopped working

#

The graphics card was so massive that it barely fit and also couldn’t be screwed in

#

Waiting on a new case to come in

plucky timber
#

do you need this pc working

#

the one with the 11400f

calm tinsel
#

I mean…ideally

snow dragon
#

Yo

calm tinsel
#

I paid a lot for it

snow dragon
#

What psu you got

plucky timber
#

at this point it's more of a question of cost effectiveness

#

I'd go for a used b460 motherboard on ebay

calm tinsel
plucky timber
#

hmm

#

Yeah that points it towards the motherboard even more

calm tinsel
#

I plan to keep this one as a backup PC

#

But obviously it can’t be failing

plucky timber
#

keep in mind

#

we're not ruling out anything

#

just finding the most likely suspect

calm tinsel
#

I think I upgraded this psu long ago

#

To this one

plucky timber
#

jesus christ

#

how much money did you spend upgrading that

#

💀

calm tinsel
#

(I think)

crimson zinc
#

I’m thinking it’s the motherboard

plucky timber
calm tinsel
#

And the test for that is..?

#

It’s a 560

#

B560m-C

plucky timber
#

look for something decent

#

doesn't have to be the exact same mothebroard

#

(the mobo they give you in prebuilts are usually dogshit because system integraters have a resistance to giving you a good pc that lasts)

calm tinsel
#

So all that matters is that…the mobo works with the psu?

plucky timber
#

It's not that kind of prebuilt

calm tinsel
#

And the psu can power the gpu properly?

plucky timber
#

it's not proprietary

#

it will work

#

this looks decent

#

oh wait it's a ds3h

#

ehhh

#

lower end board

calm tinsel
#

What causes problems with compatibility is what I’m asking

#

What are the main issues?

plucky timber
#

compatibility with what?

calm tinsel
#

All the parts

plucky timber
#

?

#

what compatibility issues are you having

calm tinsel
#

None right now

#

This is just for my education

plucky timber
#

That is a very broad question

calm tinsel
#

Well I’m buying parts for a pc

#

And I want them to work

plucky timber
#

still way too broad

calm tinsel
#

I’m asking what determines compatibility

#

Not for a build

#

Like what do I need to look out for

plucky timber
#

too many things to list

calm tinsel
#

Can I slap a 4k dollar gpu on any old mobo?

plucky timber
#

you need to be specific for me to provide any sort of answer

plucky timber
#

the motherboard wouldn't be the problem here

calm tinsel
#

What would be?

plucky timber
#

that depends on the rest of the computer

#

again

#

specificity

#

please be specific

calm tinsel
#

I don’t have specifica

plucky timber
#

what gpu? what are the specifications of the rest of the computer?

calm tinsel
#

And I don’t need them, just a general idea of what causes issues

plucky timber
#

the general answer is

#

there is no general answer

calm tinsel
#

I think it’s pretty simple what I’m asking but ok

#

Nevermind

plucky timber
#

It's a simple answer if we had more details

calm tinsel
#

😂 I don’t have details, I’m wondering generally what causes compatibility issues

#

In parts picker

#

It shows me this

plucky timber
#

that would really just depend

calm tinsel
#

And I can’t quite understand what it’s meaning

plucky timber
#

Parts may not fit together

#

the cpu cooler may get in the way of the ram

#

or the case is too small

calm tinsel
#

Right but then the whole point of parts picker is to show compatible parts

#

It’s a bit confusing

stoic island
#

pcpp shows you what it can easily check with scraping data off websites

plucky timber
#

pcpartpicker doesn't tell you everything

stoic island
#

some stats are hard to scrape

calm tinsel
#

And even when I put in the mobo, it barely filters anything at all

stoic island
#

because it's not listed on the product page

stoic island
#

PCIe is a pretty universal standard

calm tinsel
#

What does cause restrictions?

#

Other than mobo

stoic island
#

every part restrict a little bit of something else

calm tinsel
#

Or has restrictions rather

stoic island
#

mobo restricts a bit of what CPU and ram you can put in

#

mobo sometimes restricts what case

#

case restricts what GPU

#

case can restrict what PSU

#

GPU can restrict what PSU

#

ram can sometimes restrict what CPU cooler

#

case restricts what CPU cooler

plucky timber
#

this is why I started recommending the RK120 over the PA/PS120

#

ram clearance is handy

calm tinsel
#

Let me try to build my current pc in parts picker

#

So you guys can see plainly

plucky timber
#

I assume restrictions do not refer to bottlenecks

#

because that's a whole other can of worms

stoic island
#

tbf you're not going to run into ram clearance issues with most ram unless you're grabbing some ridiculous looking ram :p

#

or corsair

plucky timber
calm tinsel
#

Parts picker not even finding my gpu

#

Rtx 3050

stoic island
#

Uncheck compatibility filter and see

calm tinsel
#

Which one?

IMG_3551.png
#

This is what I’m trying to upgrade/improve. Any obvious upgrades?

#

@stoic island @snow dragon

gusty walrus
#

yo, i am planning on installing 3 fans at the top of my pc. My motherboard already has a hub on the back where everything plugs into. I only have space for 2 more fans as it says led-4, fan-4, led-5, fan-5. The fan ones are 4 pins and the led ones are 3 pins. I bought some 3 to 1 splitters to make room for the last fan and i realized that the part that plugs into the hub has 4 holes and the part where the 3 fans are supposed to connect are different. Only one of the ports is 4 pins and the other 2 are 3 and it looks like one is missing. Can I make these work or do i need to buy more splitters meant only for fans?

stoic island
# gusty walrus yo, i am planning on installing 3 fans at the top of my pc. My motherboard alrea...

3 pin ARGB is completely different from 4 pin pwm, they aren't electrically compatible or physically compatible, there should be a small plastic lip thing that stops you from plugging it in. The fan-4 and fan-5 headers should be 4 pin pwm, and led-4 and led-5 should be 3 pin ARGB (unless the hub is 4 pin RGB, completely different too)
When you're using 4 pin pwm splitters, often times, only 1 of the split output has all 4 pins, and the others have 1 pin missing, which is the pwm pin, since pwm data from only one fan could be sent through the pin.

stoic island
gusty walrus
random rapids
#

Can someone help me I have a rog strix x570-e moederbord trying to instal the Bluetooth drivers on windows 11 bud it just won’t install the damn drivers. Tried older drivers and it still won’t work

honest bronze
#

can u guys help me with GPUs

#

my budget is 600$

snow dragon
#

Well it would be nice if the 9070 xt was actually 600

honest bronze
#

hey mane

#

us femboys can only wish huh

#

as in US

snow dragon
#

Unfortunately amd has other plans

honest bronze
#

i gotta be a prostitute for this gpu market yo

covert vapor
#

🤨

snow dragon
#

fr

honest bronze
#

ur gonna be #1 client

covert vapor
#

Sus

snow dragon
honest bronze
#

is the 5070 12GB better than the 5060 ti 16gb chat?

honest bronze
snow dragon
honest bronze
snow dragon
#

By just a little bit, but there are many 5070s for 550

honest bronze
#

hmm

snow dragon
#

But if you are the type to keep the gpu for a while, this should last longer

honest bronze
#

im prob gone switch every generation or 2-3 years so not too long lol

#

can i make a part list and send it to u and see if its good enough for 1440p gaming? in triple AAA games and is it future proof?

covert vapor
#

Every gen is going to get expensive quick

honest bronze
#

ill figure it out, yk how i be

#

they called my big blow back then bro

covert vapor
honest bronze
#

is this good?

snow dragon
#

What the hell 5070 ti for 625

#

nvm misread

#

was far away from screen

honest bronze
#

Lol

snow dragon
covert vapor
#

Silicon Power has a set of RAM, looser timings but CL 30 and $10 cheaper

weary galleon
#

Techpowerup has the 5070 at 40% faster

#

The 5060ti is a dookie card

covert vapor
#

The SK Hynix Platinum P41 is also $10 more expensive and has DRAM. If you are going to go entry level on the SSD, really go entry level with the cheaper ones like Silicon Power

#

Better yet, the Spatium M461 is 99.99 for 2tb

spring hedge
#

can someone send me a good pc list for like $1500 max price?

honest bronze
#

Hmm Bett thanks! Paired with a 7800X3d is it good?

honest bronze
#

@weary galleon

plucky timber
#

Around $40 cheaper for practically the same thing

#

@honest bronze

covert vapor
#

Keep in mind there is a $10 mail in rebate, so if you go with that case remember to do that

plucky timber
#

I changed the case again whoops

honest bronze
plucky timber
#

Actually

fallen sphinx
plucky timber
#

$1507

#

I just got here

#

Can he afford a 9070XT?

fallen sphinx
#

if you get a 9600x youll be at like 1400 with it

honest bronze
#

budget is 1500$ and it seems like its good right?

plucky timber
#

True

#

It is kinda stupid that there's an X3D in there

covert vapor
#

Is that 1500 before or after tax

honest bronze
#

prob before

fallen sphinx
plucky timber
#

Mine is cheaper

fallen sphinx
#

depends if you want aio or not

#

also case

plucky timber
#

From a functional perspective they don't really add much

#

Personally I wouldn't spend the $40 extra

fallen sphinx
honest bronze
#

i mean ay mane, if its ugly. I got a hardwood floor that i can place that bad boy on

plucky timber
#

$1462 vs $1428

fallen sphinx
#

case

#

the case you choose is 10$ cheaper

#

oh

#

nvm youre talking combined

plucky timber
#

Yeah ofc I'm talking combined

#

From a performance perspective they'll perform the same

#

So that's $34 entire dollars saved for the same thing

#

Plus this is a 9600x

#

And if you still wanted to go for an X3D

#

The cooler can handle a 9800X3D fine

honest bronze
plucky timber
#

No

#

If you wanted to go 64GB

fallen sphinx
plucky timber
#

Get two sticks

fallen sphinx
#

1 4 sticks
2 corsair

#

3 cl36

plucky timber
#

DDR5 is unstable with four dimms

honest bronze
#

ik lmao chill im joking

plucky timber
#

And also corsair vengeance are pretty much the worst kit on the market

honest bronze
honest bronze
fallen sphinx
plucky timber
#

What

#

English please

fallen sphinx
fallen sphinx
covert vapor
#

Ymmv for after tax numbers, but if I bought that the tax is 9.75%, so Boomer's is $1567.35 and quok's is $1605.24 after tax if at 9.75%

plucky timber
#

But they're still by far the worst kits

fallen sphinx
plucky timber
fallen sphinx
#

btw do you know about water cooling stuff

plucky timber
#

Depends

fallen sphinx
#

ggood aint on

plucky timber
#

I know about how they generally perform

fallen sphinx
plucky timber
#

Not that kind of water cooling

#

I'm mostly an AIO person

fallen sphinx
#

oh

plucky timber
honest bronze
#

so do you guys think that the 9070 XT 16GB is better than the 5070 12GB model? atleast for long term (3-5 years till upgrade)

plucky timber
#

Cheapest 6000CL30

plucky timber
#

Unless you're talking about ray tracing

honest bronze
#

is DLSS worth it? to go over to Nvidia or will FSR Suffice?

plucky timber
#

I mean

fallen sphinx
plucky timber
#

Depends on the games you play

#

I don't play AAA slop

fallen sphinx
plucky timber
#

So I use the igpu most of the time without DLSS/FSR