building-and-recc-chat

[honest knot]

afterwards make sure to download this game ready driver here: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/details/245673/

[dusky hearth]

Me when <dd~ReleaseDateTime>

[sacred holly]

sorry for the delay @honest knot

[honest knot]

looks good

just need to install newer drivers and thats about it

[sacred holly]

installing the link you sent

are there any ither drviers i need t get?

[honest knot]

i gotta check your board again

[sacred holly]

alr

[honest knot]

custom

[sacred holly]

shoukld i perform a clean installo?

[honest knot]

yes

once installer is completely finished restart the pc

and make sure to check display refresh rate again before heading to the control panel after restart

[sacred holly]

dirver is installed

any other drivers, or are we good?

refresh is 200 btw

[honest knot]

you got the latest chipset driver installed?

[sacred holly]

yes

i think all of thos were installed with the auto driver thing

[honest knot]

ok

last couple of things you need to do is
-Enable Gsync
-Enable Hags

so head over to your control panel

nvidia control panel

[sacred holly]

im here

[honest knot]

there should be a gsync tab or something

maybe in display settings

i need screenshot

[honest knot]

hmm no gsync tab

whats your monitor model?

[sacred holly]

kooroui g2411p

[honest knot]

ok it doesn't support gsync

only freesync

freesync is for AMD

[sacred holly]

soo am i good?

[honest knot]

close nvidia control panel > type graphics on search bar > click advanced graphics settings > and enable these two

if variable refresh rate is greyed out forget about it and toggle gpu scheduling if available

and thats about it

[sacred holly]

i dont have a vrr

[honest knot]

thats fine you can skip that

just enable gpu scheduling and thats it

you can also enable this if you want

ok that should be enough

no more recommendations

enjoy gaming

[sacred holly]

thank youuu

[honest knot]

no problem, and thank you for learning through this process

https://tenor.com/view/pc-master-race-gif-26269310

[sacred holly]

of course

[tender cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWbNjn getting incompatability warning for ryzen 5600x tray chip but not for the box version. they should be the exact same right?

[stoic island]

5600x and 5600xt are different chips, 5600xt needs a more recent bios version, 5600x doesn't

[fallen sphinx]

What he said, also that psu is iffy

[tender cedar]

Oh right the one I'm ordering is just the tray chip of 5600x anyway so shouldn't be a problem

[tender cedar]

How so

[fallen sphinx]

It’s only a C on the psu tier list… which is not good. You want like a minimum of B or higher

[tender cedar]

What difference will that make

[weary galleon]

Reliability

Imo that PSU seems fine for that build

[tender cedar]

Yeah I thought so

[tender cedar]

This won't affect this build in particular then?

[weary galleon]

With a 5600x and 6600 you're not going to be getting anywhere near 650w

So yeah

[tender cedar]

Oh so the closer you get to the max power consumption the more unstable it can become that's why it gets given a c ratin

[weary galleon]

There's multiple factors going into the tier list rating, idk what exactly they are

[tender cedar]

Alright i guess I'll just stick to that psu but if there are better options around the same price I can change it

[weary galleon]

$80 is a bit pricy for a c tier 650w so there might be a better option

[tender cedar]

I forgot to change the location for the link im in Finland so that probably narrows the options a bit

[weary galleon]

Ah

[snow dragon]

What about that bronze 650w msi mag psu

That used to get recommended a lot

[tender cedar]

Msi mag A650BN?

[weary galleon]

Is Zach's tech turf the current tier list?

Or is it still cultists

[tender cedar]

Yeah thats same price as the Corsair one maybe gotta check the psu list to see if its actually better

[weary galleon]

Ok I can't load Zach's anyways (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[tender cedar]

I mean both Corsair cx650w and msi mag A650BN are in the C tier so im not sure it would really make a difference

[snow dragon]

Oh I thought it was cheaper

I guess its different over there

Over here its like $30 cheaper

[tender cedar]

unfortunately is not here

[hybrid lynx]

Can anyone help me find a build on Newegg (prebuilt) that’s around $1000 and it can run games pretty good-great?

[fallen sphinx]

good-great with a prebuilt 1k budget... thats not gonna go well

best im seeing is 4060ti

but thats refurbished with a bad cpu

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hTCmHW

this and a gpu will be so much better

[honest knot]

probably the best refurb prebuilt under $1000: https://www.newegg.com/msi-gaming-desktop-pc-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-intel-core-i5-14400f-32gb-ddr5-1tb-nvme-ssd-codex-r2-a14nud5-258us-black/p/N82E16883151628?

[hybrid lynx]

would it bge able to handle COD decently?

[honest knot]

Which COD?

[fallen sphinx]

Is that 8gb or 16gb ti

[hybrid lynx]

BO6/warzone

[honest knot]

Imma guess that's it's probably the 8gb variant

[fallen sphinx]

Ugh

Isn’t cod vram heavy

[honest knot]

Ikr

[honest knot]

Under 1080p you should be fine

Do you want to game at 1080p?

If at 1440p the GPU might cause some stutters due to insufficient vram

12gb or more is needed for 1440p

[fallen sphinx]

No it will

I’m pretty sure cod is semi vram heavy

[honest knot]

Bro better put textures on low

Lol

[fallen sphinx]

Yeah

[hybrid lynx]

1080p is fine

[honest knot]

I actually saw a 5060ti build on eBay but it was paired with a 5th Gen Intel cpu

Wtf

[honest knot]

Ok good

[fallen sphinx]

Then it should be ok, just don’t expect all settings maxed

[honest knot]

^^^

https://youtu.be/s2-83m4j_3w?si=GP1I6dibl7-xrikf @hybrid lynx

just to give you an idea

[hybrid lynx]

ah ty

[honest knot]

np

https://youtu.be/EANJbiiBXcw?si=GDG0gEakx3KOsN4G

[weary galleon]

It's not too bad, they still optimize for lower end systems. 8gb would get you medium textures pretty sure

I've had ram issues with it before though 😅 (16gb)

Just can't have a bunch of other things open

[manic cloak]

Should I buy a aftermarket 12pin connector for a 4070tiS? I have a EVGA 750 GT & it doesn’t have a cable or dedicated port for it

[stoic island]

It should've had an adapter in the box

The 4070ti that is

[rain bloom]

Can I post two laptops for comparrison?

[fickle bolt]

Sure

[rain bloom]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-yoga-7i-2-in-1-16-2k-touchscreen-laptop-intel-core-ultra-7-155u-with-16gb-memory-1tb-ssd-storm-grey/6571369.p?skuId=6571369
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-15-6-touch-screen-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-7730u-with-16gb-memory-1tb-ssd-black/6610629.p?skuId=6610629
School requirements are 16 GB of ram and I5/equivalent or higher

I previously used a lenovo yoga for many years

[weary galleon]

the intel one is a little slower singlecore (~10%) but will probably be more power efficient ((if I'm remembering correctly about the new intel chips)

I have a very similar Dell and it's pretty nice. Main downsides are no backlight keyboard and an all plastic frame

what school related stuff do you need to do on the laptop? any specific programs?

[rain bloom]

Ironically when I was younger I had an older model of Inspiron lol

I’m going to medical school so probably like anatomical modeling and maybe some research stuff I need to be able to do on the go

[weary galleon]

the qualcom snapdragon chips are cool but you gotta make sure any programs you want to run will work on ARM

[plucky timber]

What's this?

Work laptop?

[weary galleon]

read up

[rain bloom]

That’s kinda what I was thinking, I’ve heard great things about them but I’m just more familiar with amd then Intel. My Lenovo was an i5-8250u

[rain bloom]

School

[plucky timber]

Do you need anything other than taking notes?

[rain bloom]

Finally got into medical school and they slapped me with a. 16 GB Ram requirement

[plucky timber]

Here's an idea

Try installing linux on the 8250u

See how it goes

Since that's totally free

[rain bloom]

So the problem for me is they’re also requiring an iPad so I’m not sure what the laptop needs to do specifically

[rain bloom]

Still not enough Ram unfortunately

[plucky timber]

I've got an 8250u as my daily uni carry

[weary galleon]

might be worth asking IT

[plucky timber]

What you need the ram for?

[rain bloom]

Oh I sent a message but alas the holiday deals die today

[weary galleon]

I see

30 day returns at best buy

[rain bloom]

I wish I could tell you specifically. I know the school is tech focused but I just don’t know what specifics yet

[plucky timber]

Surprisingly this craptop runs fine for notetaking

My uni offers remote solidworks so

I don't need anything more powerful but your case would be different

If it's just for notetaking and such

And you already have to get an ipad anyways

It might not be a bad idea to try to sit on the 8250u laptop

The only real hardware issues I've had with this thing is running blender renders

But that's going to bring most laptops to its knees anyways

If your laptop has non soldered dimms

You can probably just upgrade the ram

[rain bloom]

I’m gonna be honest the laptop itself is starting to struggle as it’s 8 years old. Part of that is windows but it’s lagging during updates and all that jazz

[rain bloom]

Do you think the power efficiency and design of the lenovo are worth the price upgrade? Or maybe the dell if I might need an iPad anyways?

[plucky timber]

It'd really depends if you need windows

If you don't need windows at all

You would quickly find that Linux just runs a whole lot smoother

[weary galleon]

As long as you can live without the backlit keyboard I think the dell is a much better deal

[plucky timber]

I'm only really promoting this option because doesn't really cost much money aside from a ram upgrade

[rain bloom]

Oofda, windows 11 required. That shuts that down

[plucky timber]

Yeah that's an oof

I hate when unis do that

[rain bloom]

I like 11 enough but you’re right it’s basically shutting my old device down

[plucky timber]

Yeah that's why I have to use linux on my work laptop

I don't like perfectly good hardware being wasted

😞

The funny thing is that the NT kernel they got underneath that is solid

It's just that MS doesn't care about making windows run well on lower end/older hardware

[rain bloom]

Like this isn’t terrible but it is limiting

[plucky timber]

I wonder if a used macbook would be better at this rate

Then again used macbook pros go for a premium

[weary galleon]

Bro

[plucky timber]

Because of apple tax

[weary galleon]

Macos is not windows

[plucky timber]

I'm wondering if their uni allows macs

[weary galleon]

Oh it does say windows specs

[plucky timber]

Yeah that's what I'm wondering

Although it'd be difficult to find a decent macbook pro with 16gb ram for cheap

So that's probably a stupid idea

[weary galleon]

I doubt a used MacBook would be more woth it than a windows laptop

[rain bloom]

It does say windows machine, would I have to sideload windows or something?

[plucky timber]

Ehhhhh

Yeah these specs are a pain

Definitely not a macbook

Are you willing to get refurbs?

[rain bloom]

I might just go with the lenovo because I’m used to that model and whatnot. School’s expensive enough lol, might as well have a good laptop

[rain bloom]

Never tried it

[weary galleon]

I wouldn't buy based off of model

[plucky timber]

You might be able to get a pretty solid laptop for a lot cheaper just by going refurb

[plucky timber]

This

[weary galleon]

ooh

[plucky timber]

The quality isn't consistent from one year to the next for a lot of models

[weary galleon]

there's soem deals on ryzen ai 340 laptops, it seems to beat both the 7730u and 155u

only 6 core but that seems fine for a laptop tbh

[plucky timber]

That's well enough tbh

I think power efficiency is more important

Is it 2p/4e tho

Ehhhhh

[rain bloom]

The one on bestbuy unfortunately only has 512 of storage

[weary galleon]

https://www.staples.com/hp-omnibook-5-16-2k-laptop-copilot-pc-amd-ryzen-ai-5-340-16gb-ram-512gb-ssd-16-75-hours-battery-windows-11-home/product_24634978

[plucky timber]

Ryzen's probably better

Is the storage soldered

[weary galleon]

512 is honestly not bad if you aren't downloading big games

[plucky timber]

Yeah I run like a 256gb ssd on my 8250u laptop

Nvm it's 512

[plucky timber]

I'd definitely go with ryzen

Having only 2 p cores can hurt a lot on certain cases

I'd be more comfortable with 4 p cores

[weary galleon]

this is 16" which is kinda big but it's also 2k

[plucky timber]

More of a workstation laptop innit?

Could probably scale it down to a R5

[rain bloom]

This is that same laptop right?

[weary galleon]

still looks pretty thin to me

[plucky timber]

Even a zen 3 7000 series would be decent

This is not a mac no

[weary galleon]

no, that's different I think

similar though

[plucky timber]

I'm a bit mixed on HPs

As long as you're not going to upgrade it they're fine

They hate people messing around in them

But if you don't do that you're good

[fallen sphinx]

@plucky timber yo

Uh

I’ve never made pcs with this high of budgets

[weary galleon]

I believe this has the exact same specs but it's a 2-in-1

[rain bloom]

Oh!

That make sense

[plucky timber]

Ok

You gotta ask him to wipe that "the best" mindset off

It's more cost effective to just upgrade the gpu every couple years

While spending the same amount of money over a longer period of time

And he'd get better performance at the end of it

[fallen sphinx]

He just doesn’t know ANYTHING about pc

[plucky timber]

Ok so

Golden rule

The "best" pc is something that will last you a while

And not in the "future proofing" sense

In the sense that you can easily upgrade it

What is the use case?

[fallen sphinx]

Gaming

[plucky timber]

4k on a gaming pc?

Bloody hell

[fallen sphinx]

Well it’s a whole setup I think

[plucky timber]

Bloke's got too much money

Eh?

I'll say 3k then

That's way more than enough

[fallen sphinx]

Monitor, kb, mouse, etc

[plucky timber]

What games does he play?

Wtf

Mfs at thermalright made the RK120 cheap

They can't keep getting away with this

[fallen sphinx]

apex, fortnite, cod, soon to be gta6

[plucky timber]

Oh

Typical

So no need for stupid amounts of ram

[fallen sphinx]

hes also upgrading from a ps4

[fallen sphinx]

also he doesnt really care about looks

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nKLJHW

[fallen sphinx]

hes buying end of summer

[plucky timber]

oh

nvm

disregard that list

he should ask the list when he's ready to buy

the market changes a lot in even a week

[fallen sphinx]

well to give him something around what he wnats

[plucky timber]

$1.8K to $2K

it might be cheaper at the end of summer

which is...?

when?

Is that September in the northern hemisphere?

[fallen sphinx]

uhh

ish

[plucky timber]

yeah the market's going to change a lot

this list would not really represent any thing realistic

example: the ram

I'm recommending 6400CL32 because it's the cheapest kit atm

[fallen sphinx]

he wants smth to have like any understanding

[plucky timber]

it was not the case a couple weeks ago

I mean

[fallen sphinx]

its not

[plucky timber]

the thing is

[fallen sphinx]

6000mhz cl30 is 86$ rn

[plucky timber]

the 6400CL32 $74.99

[fallen sphinx]

shows 91.99 for me

[plucky timber]

vendor issue

it is technically the cheapest kit at this moment

[fallen sphinx]

also

[plucky timber]

oh

I see

9800X3D it is

[fallen sphinx]

however

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rXq4v4

[plucky timber]

eh

AIO is unnecessary

[fallen sphinx]

asrock board so no 9800x3d

[fallen sphinx]

my guy he has 3k

[plucky timber]

I thought looks weren't necessary?

[fallen sphinx]

i mean it is a good cooling upgrade

[plucky timber]

meh

thare are cheaper aios even

[fallen sphinx]

wait

my eyes are bugging

i didnt see 90$

lemme go get smth thermalright

[plucky timber]

yeah that thing is overpriced for what it is

forzen prism is $61

aqua elite is 50

[fallen sphinx]

tbh better to get frozen infinity for 57

[plucky timber]

fair

[fallen sphinx]

he needs everything though

[plucky timber]

you know what

swapping the case

since motherboard

usually I just wouldn't go with the X870

but the bundle

wait is that asrock

ehhhhhhh

[fallen sphinx]

yeah thats why i didnt put 9800x3d

[plucky timber]

I'd just not get an asrock

you can get away with a b650

[fallen sphinx]

bundle is locked

[plucky timber]

with a different 9070XT

[fallen sphinx]

he does want a white build btw

[plucky timber]

sigh

[fallen sphinx]

oh nvm

[plucky timber]

oh

[fallen sphinx]

black build

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2TTBdb

~$2100

[fallen sphinx]

that says 2300 for me

[plucky timber]

eh?

your pcpp's a bit funny

do you have everything locked to amazon

[fallen sphinx]

maybe?

OOPS

[plucky timber]

this is probably the best perf/$ rn

5080 still around 1.7x the price of a 9070XT

it's going to be radically different around september

That's the one thing I'm sure about in this crapfest market

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WXzYzP
what im thinking

he says "looks dont matter but just not ugly"

also he needs kb/m

[plucky timber]

6400 CL32 is cheaper no?

it's a whole $10 cheaper

[fallen sphinx]

the one look kinda ugly

[plucky timber]

what

ok

[plucky timber]

my advice is for him to go to a shop and test all the keyboard switches out

keyboards are highly subjective

[fallen sphinx]

those DONT exist around here

[plucky timber]

oh right

I'd look for something with red or brown switches

those are generally decent

Keychron makes decent keyboards

that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head

#peripherals-and-displays might be able to help more

[fallen sphinx]

is a k70 pro mini good

[plucky timber]

highly subjective

depends on preference

oh wait it's corsair

no

overpriced crap

[fallen sphinx]

only ones i found with the stuff you said

[plucky timber]

pcpp isn't good for for keyboards

[fallen sphinx]

what about keychron k10

wait no thats wa too big

[plucky timber]

highly subjective

[fallen sphinx]

k3 v2 ultra slim?

[plucky timber]

depends on preference

[plucky timber]

.

[fallen sphinx]

well is it in some way objectively bad

[plucky timber]

no

golden rule with keyboards

[fallen sphinx]

ok ima just do the k3 v2

[plucky timber]

don't buy from mainstream brands

[plucky timber]

there might be better options

keychron was just the first one I can think of

[fallen sphinx]

well this is a template remember

[plucky timber]

I'd ask #peripherals-and-displays

[fallen sphinx]

its for end of summer

[plucky timber]

eh sure

I can't help with mice

since It's not really an area I've really looked into

[fallen sphinx]

well

hes left handed

wait are there left handed keyboards?

[plucky timber]

I'd imagine you use a left handed keyboard the same way

you just have the movement keys binded differently

[fallen sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4yzYzP
i cant find a mouse rn

i just sent him this

ill just finalize it when hes actually buying

[plucky timber]

You'll need a completely new list by then

[teal dome]

What should I do when I tested my ram using memtest and there were like 50 errors and it was not even 2 tests yet, should I just buy new ram or just stick with it since it works fine besides some crashing with some applications?

[stoic island]

Best to mess with it and tune it until stable if possible

[rustic terrace]

What’s best budget keyboard 50-80 max

[weary galleon]

razer viper v2 pro is $80 rn

[rustic terrace]

I meant keyboard I just typed it wrong lol

[fallen sphinx]

Ok so general overview -
Glass mouse pad ($?)
Light wireless mouse ($?)
Keyboard (~100$)
Yard sale desk (10$?)
Chair ($?)
Pc (1650-1700$)
Monitors (350-450$)

I think that’s good no?

[weary galleon]

with that budget get oled

[fallen sphinx]

Yeah I said 220$ for a 1440p 240hz or if you can find a deal for a 350 OLED get that

[weary galleon]

at that budget I'd still get an oled even if it's 4-500

or get a cheap 1440p panel and use that while waiting for an oled sale i guess. But with tarrifs and stuff i dunno if we'll see sales for a while

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1772478-REG/acer_um_hxxaa_001_predator_x27u_27_gaming.html

[teal dome]

How can I go on about tuning and stuff, I haven't really messed with settings for any of my parts

[fallen sphinx]

He decided he is

[plucky timber]

I don't think I'm the person to ask for peripherals

[fallen sphinx]

nvm

[restive halo]

USA
Wants to do all black and white
Needs to stay under $1000
Wants to play Hogwarts, Skyrim, and Game of thrones kings road.
1440 is nice but will settle for 1080p whichever is doable in the budget
Prefers to be new but used if need be

[next furnace]

if I have b550 m pro 4 motherboard and I want to add a new 2 tb ssd, which one should I get?
i plan to put it under the m.2 armor heat sync to be my main ssd. But would putting an ssd with a heatsync under the other armor heatsync bad

[restive halo]

Anyone have time to help with a lost

List

@calm dove ?

[fickle bolt]

Sure

What you got

[restive halo]

@crimson zinc USA
Wants to do all black and white
Needs to stay under $1000
Wants to play Hogwarts, Skyrim, and Game of thrones kings road.
1440 is nice but will settle for 1080p whichever is doable in the budget
Prefers to be new but used if need be

[weak flint]

Thats golden with with

Keebs, Mice, IEMs, Speakers, and uh what else

[hallow glen]

Yo. Need a laptop for college, and these are the min specs

i5/ryzen 5 or higher, >=2023

=32gb ram
=1tb ssd
Nvidia/amd GPU >=4gb vram dedicated

Budget ~2k

[weary galleon]

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/omen-max-gaming-laptop-16-ah0097nr
$2080 after code LEVELUP20

It's direct from HP as well so you'd get like $60 in rewards points

[manic cloak]

microcenter re-released the 7600x3d again & I’m wondering if it’s even worth to get it compared to the 7800x3d

I mean whether I pair with a 7800xt, 9070xt, or 4070tiS, I could compare their current sell price but there’s used on marketplace, 7600x3d for 250$, 7800x3d for $300

[weary galleon]

I'd probably spend the extra $50 for the 7800x3d. 6 cores isn't bad these days but 8 is likely more "future proofed" (ikik not the best phrase but if you're intending to use it through multiple gpu upgrades $50 is probably worth for the extra 2 cores)

[plucky timber]

The 7600x3d is in that weird middle ground

Where if you're spending that much on a cpu already

It's probably not a bad idea to just spend the extra for 7800X3D

[snow dragon]

Yeah too little too late

Seems cool but in practice its not as good as you would think

[plucky timber]

Yeah the price makes it ehhh

3D V-cache is nice and all but like

The price makes it kinda mediocre overall

I'd rather have the cores and the vcache

[manic cloak]

Well hopefully I can sell my CPU soon

[tender cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YHCwXR Rx 7600 went on offer and now it's basically the same price as 6600 where I am so does this build work?

[manic cloak]

USD?

[manic cloak]

Nvm you’re from Finland, the build works completely.

[tender cedar]

yeah i am idk how you knew but thanks

[manic cloak]

I looked at previous chats lol

[tender cedar]

no euros it's on 20% discount on german amazon and i get free shipping from there

[manic cloak]

Hmm how much is it to get AM5?

Like go onto aliexpress and see the price of probably the cheapest 7500F with most orders, then German amazon for the ddr5 board and ram

[tender cedar]

probably quite a bit more im getting the tray chip version of ryzen 5 5600x its a lot cheaper its like 99 euros for the chip and then 140 for the box already

[manic cloak]

Ohhh gotcha, the 7500F is also just the tray + chip

[tender cedar]

oh thats nice

its 152 rn its on offer

aliexpress

[manic cloak]

Oh ya nvm then, I do see some 5600/5600x for 95-103 euros

[tender cedar]

am4 will still be fine for a while right?

[manic cloak]

Oh ya for sure, it’s still getting some support + new chips here and then

[tender cedar]

some other person said before that the power supply has a low ranking so its not going to be as good. do you think that would make a difference in this build?

[manic cloak]

Are you getting your psu off of Amazon Germany?

[tender cedar]

no im getting it off of proshop.fi a finnish site its 57 euros currently down from 72

the corsair cx650

[manic cloak]

You should be fine with the amount of power you’re going to draw, if you can find anything else within that price range send it here & we’ll see if it’s possibly any better or not

Just with no modular psu’s, one cable goes out you have to replace the whole thing

[tender cedar]

is that a common issue

[weary galleon]

Cx650 is alright

[tender cedar]

alright so no bad history with cables going out?

[weary galleon]

That's more of a 12vhpwr issue

What cpu and gpu are you gonna have?

[tender cedar]

ryzen 5 5600x and rx 7600

[weary galleon]

you'll be fine

[tender cedar]

alright thanks

[feral nymph]

#build-pics message
@gentle sigil very nice, how is the Winwing side stick? Is it worth getting, or do you think I should go with the TM one?

[stoic island]

I have a winwing ursa minor fighter stick, it's all plastic given the price, but it has all the buttons you'll need. Works pretty well for the price. Be careful with shipping, they stopped shipping globally to the US, only available from their US storefront now.

[gentle sigil]

Oh its 1000000 times better than the TM one the Captains Pack came with. The TM side stick is junk imo. It has a crap potentiometer for the twist z-axis that goes bad, making the plane completely unflyable. I would have to tear the thing apart every 4-5 months to clean it which helped some, but never fixed it. Then got to the point where no matter what I did, it would twitch and crap....so dumped it. The Winwing is better built quality wise, super accurate, and a bonus, using the SimAppPro from Winwing, it will sync with the sim and vibrate during ground roll, spoiler extension, etc. just adds some tactile feedback.

[feral nymph]

I will have to check it out then, thanks

[fast tinsel]

Will an 850w power source work with a 5070, x870 mobo, and a 9800x3D?

[barren summit]

https://newegg.io/f8a2f99

im new to pc building and was wondering if all these parts are compatible, also if you have any suggestions i would greatly appreciate it (Budget is $1600 Canadian)

[tulip dragon]

howdy

i need some help

i have a b650 gaming x ax v2 board and it only has 4 sata slots. i need at least 3 more would a sata controller work in it?

[gentle sigil]

Sure will! I have the 9800X3D/RTX 5080 Astral/x670e mobo with an 850 and I am well below utilization even at load

[manic cloak]

I know this might be an obvious question but somebody who’s selling a 7800x3d either wants $350 cash, or my 13600k + $200 on top of that, probably a bad deal right?

[weary galleon]

Considering it's $385 new rn (and I think has been $350 new fairly recently), yeah that's bad

[stoic island]

Your main options are either grabbing a pcie sata card or putting them all in enclosures and using them as external drives via USB

[hard badge]

Decided to finally put SteamOS(Official, not Bazzite) on my HTPC. was pretty easy to install and it'd be pretty easy to build PC's like this for console gamers trying to go to PC. Assuming they don't want to play games with Anti Cheats.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mGxQ9C

[snow dragon]

Not all anti cheat games are bricked on linux

[hard badge]

Well yeah, but the bigger console games, Cod, Apex, and Fortnite I believe are.

Valorant and R6 Siege as well.

[snow dragon]

Yeah siege is really scared of linux

Ironic considering the cheating problem

[hard badge]

Thats why all of them blocked linux

Apex used to work on Linux but they blocked it earlier this year.

[fallen sphinx]

I’m happy for that

The cheaters almost all died

[crude onyx]

Question: motherboard dram light turned orange but it still boots. I was having issues with the PC not posting but now it works and bios works

Should I still replace it?

[crude onyx]

ok now CPU is marked red but only for a split second

HOW BAD IS THIS PLS

[weary galleon]

I don't look at my motherboard lights unless something's wrong

[plucky timber]

This

the debug legs light up on boot

unless soemthing's wrong

it's completely normal

[crude onyx]

sweet

[craggy dawn]

hello

[little osprey]

Can someone please help me in finding a certain tpm chip for my motherboard?

[vernal kayak]

what wiring do i need for rtx 3050, i7-4790, and dell motherboard 06X1TJ (SOCKET 0)(OEM) for my psu

[fickle bolt]

check dell's website

[vernal kayak]

can u send a link to the page

[fickle bolt]

idk what pc u have

so i cant give u specifics

but

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us this might help

[vernal kayak]

ty

[plucky adder]

if I wanted a mini pc for gaming but my budget is around 200, which would be my best option?

[plucky timber]

Do you really need a mini pc?

[plucky adder]

ehh i dont know if i want to buy a whole pc

[plucky timber]

See

I don't know if you can even get a gaming capable mini pc for that budget

[plucky adder]

can I get gaming capable pc for this budget?

[plucky timber]

It generally costs quite a bit more to have a mini pc that can game as well

[plucky adder]

Im just in my college dorm and cant take my pc from home

[plucky timber]

Depends on your games

You can look around on the used market

$200 is pretty tight but not undoable

You won't be able to play newer and more graphically intensive titles

But older games should run

GTA V can probably run on a GT 1030 level gpu

https://ebay.us/m/jYG0Bz

Something like this wouldn't be bad

[fallen sphinx]

i mean itll play like retro games and like... super super low end games

[plucky timber]

Nah

That's an exaggeration

[plucky adder]

could this run valorant low graphics or rematch at all

[plucky timber]

Err

No idea what those are

[plucky timber]

You can at least run GTA V on medium

Thing's got an RX 5500 for some stupid reason

[plucky adder]

that would work graphics wise

[plucky timber]

Even the igpu can run GTA V at low

[languid nimbus]

Crazy how that works

Yet Ark can’t get a stable 60fps on even the best gpu 💀

[manic cloak]

Well I’m going to be waiting for awhile but

Should I hook up my PA120 RGB to my built in fan controller on the back of my case? Originally I had it separate, cycle through “modes” to eventually have it sync’d

[manic cloak]

I did this & the RGB just decided to not work, love Lian li 😭

[frigid jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677740802277113858/1379288775045156864/20250602_182952.jpg?ex=683fb245&is=683e60c5&hm=2759a05575090857a95517572bd82ab3818afc3cb9b76b3a3bbfa2df05c4233e&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677740802277113858/1379288775573901352/20250602_182946.jpg?ex=683fb246&is=683e60c6&hm=88beb09655c485c67ce2d37c47b8086f1b691c1eb6cd1ebaef61ccf840a969fc&

What could I order to replace this?

can I order a singular one of those nut things

the one thats missing on the top left

[manic cloak]

Is that for the cooler or the nut for my the cpu holder?

[frigid jackal]

pretty sre its for the cooler

like the bracket that you put under the mobo and then attach the things on the front and then the b rackets and then the cooler

ykwim

[manic cloak]

ya do you know what brand?

for the cooler, could probably order a replacement kit off of amazon

[frigid jackal]

nah I'm not sure, its for my bud and we got the mobo from one of our other friends who got it from one of his friends who got it from one of his friends

But if those nut things and the thing behind the mobo all come with a cooler then I'll just order a whole new one that fits the mobo and the cpu

[severe lava]

Anyone wana give a hand left my computer on last night woke up to a speaker making funny noises no display gpu fans arnt turning upon restart gpu fans still don’t turn and cpu and dram debug lights stay on

[obsidian wigeon]

Take out the ram and reseat them

[severe lava]

I took them both out and only put one back in and nothing changed

[obsidian wigeon]

Try to clean the sticks

If that doesn't work, do a CMOS reset

[severe lava]

I just don’t understand how it killed itself this bad in the middle of night running

[severe lava]

I can’t even get the damn cmos battery out there rubbber or something stopping me from getting it released

[obsidian wigeon]

You can short a header actually

Mobos have a cmos reset header

It depends on your board, so tell me about the board you have

[severe lava]

Asrock b850m-x

[obsidian wigeon]

Hold on, gimme a sec

[obsidian wigeon]

So you wanna find the cmos reset header by looking at around bottom right of your board

The header is labeled CLRCMOS1

You'll want to short it with a metallic object

[severe lava]

Short it while of is unplugged right

[obsidian wigeon]

Yep

You need to unplug your pc and turn it off

Short it for 5-10 seconds

Then you should be done

[severe lava]

Try booting after

[obsidian wigeon]

Mhm

[severe lava]

Still same bs

[severe lava]

Unless it didn’t actually clear but I used a Philips head so it shoulda

[obsidian wigeon]

It should

Okay so try each stick of ram on every slots

[severe lava]

Ok this mobo only has 2 slot

Still nothing

Think it could be cpu

[obsidian wigeon]

CPU is usually least likely

I'd suspect the ram or board

You can't really verify without having a different set of ram however

[severe lava]

I did buy a aliexpress 7500f so figured

I can have a buddy bring me over his ram

[obsidian wigeon]

Most of the times it's the ram

Worse can happen but ram is the first suspect

[severe lava]

I’ll have a buddy bring some ram sticks over

[simple nova]

is it worth to build a pc now or its expensive

[severe lava]

Nvm he don’t have what I thought he did

Any other suggestions to try or just start unloading the parts cannon

[obsidian wigeon]

Uhh..

Well

You can always buy something

Keep the packaging in one piece

Parts cannon is the only way with PCs

[crimson zinc]

It is worth

[manic cloak]

Do you live in the Us?

Like have access to Amazon?

If you do, just buy this for now, if it isn’t a ram issue you could always return it. https://a.co/d/ihDhTj9

If it’s a CPU issue that’s a different story sadly

Actually wait it might not be a cpu or ram problem

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1ke58uc/asrock_b850mx_wifi_and_amd_ryzen_7_9700x_mobo_and/

I’d start a warranty claim with Asrock, if you look into more of the Asrock subreddit there’s a lot of people complaining about their boards randomly dying, same scenario as you @severe lava

And some are non x3d chips which apparently have more of an issue? Not to assume or anything but either Asrock has had a bad batch of boards released, or their recent BIOs version slowly killed their motherboards. Did you update in the past 2 months or bought the board recently?

[snow dragon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1kx0r7f/comment/mullm25/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

is this true chat

I just need my cpu to not die during this summer semester

After that, idc that much

Itll be a hassle but I wont be doing anything super important

[snow dragon]

Im putting my old parts together and getting some new ones to complete the build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rCmgxg

Thoughts

Im gonna buy this used sf750 for myself and then put my current unit into this build

[manic cloak]

It's not proven that the CPUs are dying yet, just the root cause is the motherboard

[snow dragon]

Yeah its whatever settings they have in their bios

[manic cloak]

It could make sense that the CPU dies yes, but after shut off or something like that?

[snow dragon]

Something is sending too much voltage

[manic cloak]

The guy above in this chat is having the same issue

& it looks like an only AM5 problem atm

[snow dragon]

The cpu was in sleep

[manic cloak]

oh that mode nvm then

[snow dragon]

I use sleep all the time but I dont use windows

But it is their bios because some people have or fix black screens after updating/rolling back

Im on an old revision, curious to see what thats gonna do

3.15

[manic cloak]

Ya no sleep messed with my old 6650xt drivers, I mean the 6650xt was buggy asf but sleep just instantly ruined it

[snow dragon]

As long as it doesnt die for the next two months, i dont care

[manic cloak]

I wouldn't update honestly

Cause it's only seen on am5 atm

nothing for am4

[little osprey]

Dang

[manic cloak]

unless i've missed posts in r/asrock

[snow dragon]

Yup I am hoping that this version has some change that makes it behave differently than the newer ones

From what I see 3.20 is not a good revision

[manic cloak]

somebody's Asrock PC died on 3.10

I'd honestly undervolt

[snow dragon]

Yeah I am on -50 rn and locked my soc

[manic cloak]

that's good

[snow dragon]

The soc voltage is super stable when its manual btw

Kinda impressive ngl

I had hwinfo open for 8 hours and vsoc did not move at all

Not even 0.001

[manic cloak]

damn that's insane

Honestly it might be CPUs dying, I thought it'd be the motherboard frying itself or the socket atleast

[gentle pollen]

Any known issues with MSI 600 chip set boards currently?

[snow dragon]

Almost as if these asrock boards have some hidden voltages that cant be adjusted by us or something

[snow dragon]

Nah its almost exclusively an asrock thing

[gentle pollen]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/asrock-confirms-its-bios-settings-are-killing-ryzen-cpus-is-fully-committed-to-fixing-any-damaged-motherboards

According to this article you guessed right

[snow dragon]

Nah this was their pbo cope

They were saying pbo was causing this

[gentle pollen]

I am wondering about the boards because my 9950x3D arrives on Monday.

[snow dragon]

But lets see. I have a very aggressive undervolt and locked vsoc. I think there is something the boards are doing that we cant control

Unless these boards people buy are enabling pbo by default

But that doesnt make sense to me

Pbo must be manually turned on, because even though its not by much, the cpu is still running out of spec

I assume most asrock posters do not have pbo on because they dont mention it. Not everybody uses pbo, and I think most people dont

[gentle pollen]

Interesting

[snow dragon]

They say their pbo limits are in spec, but still aggressive. Why would the limit amd specified be killing cpus? Pbo only increases clocks by 200 max

[gentle pollen]

Iirc the 9950x3D can be cooled down a lot better because they flipped the V-cache or something like that?

[turbid stump]

I think you could say, 'not stonks'

[snow dragon]

You would expect their pbo settings to be out of spec if they are killing cpus, otherwise amd would have a lower limit for those settings

So I think asrock is trying to cover their ass rn

They are trying to fix the issue without being public about it

[gentle pollen]

Annoying but that makes sense from a corporate view.

[snow dragon]

But like they arent trying to be malicious

They will help you rma

They have good support but are trying to keep this stuff down

Probably to not scare the normies or something idk

[gentle pollen]

I am so fed up with having to do RMAs for CPUs at this point I really don't want to start worrying about the boards....

[snow dragon]

Yeah just avoid asrock for a bit

[manic cloak]

Speaking of cpu RMA

[snow dragon]

Or probably a while idk when this will be fixed, because there are no updates on this stuff

[manic cloak]

Does this mean intel sent me a used CPU?

[snow dragon]

I think good just means that it works

Like pass/fail

Idk though

I have never done rma before so I am just guessing

[gentle pollen]

I have never had to RMA an Intel CPU so I don't know.

[gentle pollen]

Does it work? If so then personally I wouldn't worry about it.

[manic cloak]

I’m honestly debating on keeping my 12600kf in 😭

I’ll probably rip it out later tonight though

Just it runs so smooth with no issues on the degrading blah blah blah so

[gentle pollen]

Are 13/14th gen chips still degrading???

[manic cloak]

If people don’t update to the latest bios

But I’m not even 100% if the new bios stops the degrading

[simple nova]

why GPUs are so expensive nowadays :/

[verbal quarry]

hello trying to make a compact pc but can seem to find overall good case for it. link below is the setup i made. any tips or changes would be awesome

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tKgVTM

[plucky timber]

alright

you got a case?

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B7x6VF

this includes a case

and a much better cpu

for just slightly more

here's the thing about compact pc builds

A system in a well designed MATX case really is a lot cheaper

while still being reasonably compact

The only thing I've kept is the gpu which I assume you have a way of getting at that price

[manic cloak]

Sexy 😛

[reef steeple]

Yo is this the chat to get help

Idk if i have my psu thing correct

[crimson zinc]

Yes

[frozen solstice]

Hi!

I accidentally ordered 6400 CL36 RAM instead of the 6000 CL30 RAM (2 dollar difference on Amazon) for a 9800x3d build. Is it stable at that speed or should I just return this and get the 6000 CL30? Thanks!

[severe lava]

Sorry just seen this I do live in us and the pc was built earlier this year all parts were ordered in January cpu is a 7500f havnt had a problem with anything till now

[gentle pollen]

If it isn't stable you can go into bios and reduce the speed down to 6200 or 6000 with about 60s of time.

[snow dragon]

Yeah and adjust the timings accordingly

Although

I think in that case 6000 cl30 would still be faster

If it was 6400 cl32, then I would get it and see if it runs, and then downclock if the cpu cant run it

[plucky timber]

yeah cl36 is mid

Even for 7200

[severe lava]

And mobo recommendations replacing my b850m-x that I think crapped itself

[stoic island]

would recommend just getting it RMA'd

[simple nova]

FantasTech worth to wait for it?

[manic cloak]

just send some of the "in your budget" ones here & we can get it figured out. Your CPU may be dead though, don't take my word for it

[calm tinsel]

Anyone free to help with a first time pc build?

I have some extra cables that I’m not sure where they go

[severe lava]

The cpu is from Ali express szcpu I did plan on upgrading it soon anyway

[grave crescent]

Can anybody give me tips or something rq

My pc was running fine after I had to replace my mobo but now i will randomly have the screen go black and after a few seconds the pc seems to restart with no video output and nothing but my keyboard turning off

I hear the windows launch sound but never see anything and I have to restart it myself to use it again

I thought it was my gpu overheating again but it just happened while I was idle watching a video on undervolting

Already updated gpu drivers and reseated the card

[stoic island]

Anything show up in event viewer?

[stoic island]

Send pictures or describe them

[grave crescent]

Well I was getting ready to check and it just happened again it’s never happened within a few minutes of each other before

[stoic island]

First thing to check is anything software, either drivers or some other piece of software crashing

[grave crescent]

Ok now it’s happening without actually getting in to windows

[deep spruce]

So my Ma gave me her old Laptop an I'm not sure if I can Upgrade the 250 GB HDD to a 1 or 2 TB SSD. I know I can upgrade the Ram from a 3GB to 8GB.

[stoic island]

Is it crashing while in bios or...?

[stoic island]

What laptop is it?

[grave crescent]

I would see the asrock logo then right after it would go black and boot without video

I’m in now looking at eventvwr

And I can’t get in to safe mode because it claims there’s an issue with my pin and have to set it up

[stoic island]

Weird

Is secure boot on? Try turning that off and it might let you

[grave crescent]

Oh yeah it is enabled because I think valorant made me turn it on or something

Sfc scan found nothing

[calm tinsel]

The problem now is the graphics card is not fitting (after assembling everything else)

I was recommended parts here from some veterans and they all came together from partpicker so I’m wondering if this was expected and I have to open to back fan wall or if it was a mistake

And these are the cables I couldn’t find homes for

@stoic island

[grave crescent]

The speaker one is unneeded unless you’re doing diag

[calm tinsel]

It really sucks, I was following guides and the graphics card was always last so I find this out at the very end 😅

Also taking out the back wall is a pain and hard to reach the screws

[calm tinsel]

@earnest olive

@deep skiff

Idk if you guys remember me but I was here like 6 months ago

[calm tinsel]

Hello..?

[stoic island]

Looks like the GPU fits as long as you get it into the lip there

[desert sigil]

I always put a speaker in my systems 😂. Could be a 4K$ and I'll still put one in for the lolz.

[stoic island]

From the first one there, first is a small speaker, second is sata, third is front panel cluster, idk what fourth is showing, a fan? fifth is argb, sixth I can't tell alone, need more context

[calm tinsel]

The 2 1 prong I couldn’t get to fit in the only 2 1 prong on the mobo. I couldn’t find a fan cable for the case, it seems to just go directly to the chip on the case and to the fans, nothing to mobo.

None of these are essential, right?

[stoic island]

sounds like it's probably just using sata power? but wdym 2 1 prong

[calm tinsel]

Curious about this one too

[stoic island]

That looks like 3 pin argb there

[stoic island]

can you take a picture from further away so we could see where it's coming from?

[calm tinsel]

What is it for?

[stoic island]

argb, lighting

actually if both of those cables came from the same place, top is 3 pin argb, bottom is 4 pin pwm, it's for the fan hub thing in the case

it will likely also take sata power from your PSU

[calm tinsel]

Comes from this back side chip

For the tower

So these spots?

[calm tinsel]

Looking for help still - new pc build won’t start

[stoic island]

Anything come on?

[calm tinsel]

Nope

Realllly frustrated

Spent so much time on this

[stoic island]

first check 24pin on the right and eps12v on the top left

[calm tinsel]

And this mini case that was recommended makes it all

Worse

[manic cloak]

Everything’s plugged in supposedly

[stoic island]

check that the PSU switch on the back is on

[snow dragon]

Im trying to find what is making it not at least turn on but it seems that all cables are seated

[manic cloak]

We were in #general-chat tryna help too

[calm tinsel]

I have pressed hard on everything

[manic cloak]

Are you booting using the start button or are you pressing a screw driver against the mobo pins?

[calm tinsel]

Let me check this power sw one more time

Maybe it’s loose

[manic cloak]

Nono

Make sure it’s on correctly

[stoic island]

if you're using the case button, check to make sure the pwr switch is plugged into the right position in the cluster

test it without the case button plugged in and jump the 2 pins labeled as the power switch too

[snow dragon]

Yeah he sent a pic and there are 5 pins on the bottom so it seems like its in the right spot

Top 2 right

Top 2 left is pled

[stoic island]

test jumping these two pins with a screwdriver or anything metal

case buttons are sometimes faulty

[snow dragon]

Brutal if true

[calm tinsel]

GOT IT

It’s on haha

[manic cloak]

Was it flipped by chance

[calm tinsel]

The +- was backwards

[manic cloak]

Yup 😭

[snow dragon]

[calm tinsel]

Crazy that tiny cable controls everything

[manic cloak]

Kinda

Just your power lmao

[calm tinsel]

Now…what do I do

[manic cloak]

Ya boot into bios

Find the usb dongle/stick that’s inside your pc

[calm tinsel]

What do people to do get OS nowadays?

[manic cloak]

And download whatever OS

[calm tinsel]

There’s a stick inside?

[manic cloak]

Well you need to have a usb stick/dongle/flash drive with windows OS on it

Mb

Do you have that done?

[calm tinsel]

No I don’t

Looks nice and runs super quiet

[manic cloak]

That’s good

Do you have an old pc or a laptop

[calm tinsel]

Both

[manic cloak]

Either or

Do you have a usb flash drive

[calm tinsel]

Well laptop for now, pc is unpligged

Yes

[manic cloak]

How much storage is on it?

If it’s over 8gb then that’s fine, go plug it into your laptop, clear everything off of it

Then probably downloading for windows, just type in windows 11 (or 10) download

[calm tinsel]

Clear everything as in running in background?

[manic cloak]

Nono clear everything off the usb stick

If there is anything on it

[calm tinsel]

Oh

It’s a free download these days?

[snow dragon]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

I recommend iso because when you download the installation media you have to wait a while for it to install itself

With the iso you download it from the website and thats it

[calm tinsel]

Ok, iso it is

X64 is still what we use?

@snow dragon

[snow dragon]

Yeah

[calm tinsel]

Ok I’m downloading it

Next step?

I imagine it’s Boot

@snow dragon

There’s Tool —> Instant Flash

It’s saying the file is too big which makes no sense

It’s a 64 gb usb

There’s nothing on the flash

@manic cloak

[manic cloak]

You should have it downloaded inside the USB if possible

Otherwise compress it, then drop it in, then uncompress it

[calm tinsel]

I changed the format, now it’s downloading

@manic cloak what do I do once I have the download?

[manic cloak]

Ya plug it in into your new pc and try to download the OS on it

[calm tinsel]

Well yeah but I’m not seeing the inputs

Tool flash drive?

[deep spruce]

Acer 7741-6445

[stoic island]

It might be easiest to take it out to see the size, doesn't seem to list it anywhere, there's a decent chance it's a 2.5in hdd so you can just grab any 2.5in ssd

[deep spruce]

Thats what i throught as well cause all Laptops is 2.5

[stoic island]

Sometimes it's in a thinner form factor, sometimes it's the normal 15mm or whatever thickness, sometimes it's the full 3.5in, not listed in the manual so best to open it up to check

[deep spruce]

Ok I'll do that when I get home an I can safely say I can get a SSD instead of a HDD?

[stoic island]

The two things to check is the size and the connector

First to check it's standard 2.5in with whatever thickness it is, and then to check that it uses normal sata connectors

If you're not sure, take a picture and we can try to eyeball it

[deep spruce]

I might just do that instead

[grave crescent]

So I’m no longer getting any video output whatsoever outside of sometimes in bios. I have a spare nvidia gpu I can put in to test if that’s the issue but my current card is an AMD. Will I still be able to boot in to windows using the nvidia card?

[stoic island]

Check if you can

[grave crescent]

I can unfortunately I still can’t get in to safe mode for some reason but I ran ddu and I’m installing nvidia drivers and I’ll test to see if that’s fixed it tomorrow

If so that means I got screwed out of 260 bucks I guess

Already spent extra bc I got screwed on my motherboard and then forgot my ssd on the board when I returned it

[analog hearth]

Weird question. I don't think this question exists on Google anywhere, otherwise I wouldn't be asking here. I have a 13700K with a very meh motherboard. It's some H610 motherboard with meh VRMs. Idk if it has a way to limit the power of the CPU. But if it does, I'd probably limit it to 65W

My question: would this help keep the motherboard from taking a dump on me (given its VRM configuration)? What about for cooling the CPU? I'd probably get an AIO for the CPU anyways, but I thought I'd ask about cooling the CPU anyways

Please ping me when answering, as I’m not always on Discord

[plucky timber]

In theory yes. In terms of CPU coolers, there are actually a bunch of coolers that are designed in a way that allows for some airflow over the vrms (e.g. Liquid Freezer II)

Adding some cheap heatsinks on the vrms might help a bit too

In terms of limiting the CPU, I've only done it on Linux and on a Ryzen laptop on windows but I'd imagine there's software that can limit the power the CPU can draw for intel platforms

[analog hearth]

If it helps, this would be going into a Cooler Master NR200P V2. I’ve been thinking about setting the AIO to intake, given that there wouldn't be much airflow going from the bottom up into the case

[plucky timber]

Ehhhhh

[analog hearth]

It'll be on Bazzite OS. Idk if that's an option

[plucky timber]

The thing is

You're putting the vrms which are already pretty stressed

Into a case with sub-optimal airflow

[plucky timber]

Yeah you can probably just run a script

I use auto-cpufreq to limit my cpu freq

[analog hearth]

I have kind of a fallback solution anyways. I have an AMD bored, which I'll probably get a 5700X3D to go with it. Still better than the 12100F that’s currently in the system

[plucky timber]

Well I'm more worried about everything combined

If you had ideal airflow

You could probably get away with it

But with this case?

I'm a bit skeptical

The airflow is already restricted in this form factor

[analog hearth]

It's just kinda hard to have proper airflow lol. Small case lmao

[plucky timber]

And the cooler master NR cases aren't that good thermally

Even for their size

[analog hearth]

Unless I just jump to the 5700X3D option. I have another mITX AM4 bored and plenty of DDR4

[plucky timber]

Does it have decent vrms

[analog hearth]

Idk

I'd have look around for the motherboard model name

[plucky timber]

Hmm

[analog hearth]

But it's another basic A520 board, so probably not

[plucky timber]

Does it at least have a heatsink

[analog hearth]

It would probably handle a 5700X3D better than the other board and a 13700K

[plucky timber]

Over the vrms

[analog hearth]

Ngl idk about that either

[plucky timber]

Ehhhhhh

[analog hearth]

I need to get ready for work. I'll probably just explore my options when I get to work. I want this Bazzite build to work properly. Maybe even be a family gaming machine

[plucky timber]

Here's a couple things you should consider when you have free time:

-VRM configurations of the motherboard (Is it good enough to handle the CPU)

-VRM cooling (Does it have a heatsink, can you help cool the VRMs by other means, such as a CPU cooler that provides a bit of airflow over the VRMs)

-CPU demand on the VRMs

-Case airflow (VRMs are going to get toasty if the CPU draws a lot of power and the airflow is sub-optimal)

[weak flint]

Another important thing is too see how a VRM responds to given load, the better the vrm the smoother it responds to voltage changes

as far as i know the only way to test this is by just looking online for someone whos done it

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fwz9Lc

This is a pc part picked list I made for a friend, originally he made his & it was about the same price, just AM4, buying mostly all brand new.

He had the gpu in his list too, but this doesn’t. Now we’re trying to figure out which GPU to throw in, not going over $350, originally we both had planned the 6600 & there’s an open box at my MC for $176 (before tax) but that’s been thrown out of the question

We have either a 5060 for $240, or a 9060xt 16gb for $295. (All before tax)

Resolution is at 1080p, I’ve looked at videos from gamers nexus & various people, performance is just everywhere.

[snow dragon]

nr200 airflow is pretty good

Same goes for most popular itx cases

You can also fit a thermalright evo cooler in it

If you want some vrm cooling you can get those mini towers

Part of the fan will be under the fins

[weak flint]

isnt the cooler cooling the vrms arswell>?\

[snow dragon]

The one in the pic?

[weak flint]

yeah

[snow dragon]

Probably a little bit but it is pretty tall

Most of the air is gonna be going towards the power supply because that one is set up as a rear intake

Although if you use the 5700x3d, I wouldn't worry about vrm temps because that cpu doesnt use that much power @analog hearth

[analog hearth]

That’s what I’m thinking

Plus an AIO would be cheaper. I wouldn't need a (surprisingly expensive) 280mm. I could just get a normal 240mm

[snow dragon]

https://a.co/d/f5ksNYv
https://a.co/d/dKNPUXP

Or maybe you can spend a little more and get a thermalright aio

[analog hearth]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zBn8TW/asrock-a520m-itxac-mini-itx-am4-motherboard-a520m-itxac
motherboard btw

[snow dragon]

Oh thats like my old b550 but with a different chipset

[analog hearth]

Idk about cooler clearance. I have an NR200P V2. The GPU is vertically mounted

[analog hearth]

I’m worried about VRMs

[snow dragon]

There are a lot of vrms on that board lol

[analog hearth]

Nothing to worry about?

[snow dragon]

yeah

[analog hearth]

I’ve been building PCs for years and I’ve never taken the time to understand VRMs lol

Also, motherboard if going Intel
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M6t9TW/asus-prime-h610i-plus-d4-csm-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-prime-h610i-plus-d4-csm

[snow dragon]

Brutal 4+2

[analog hearth]

Lmao

What if I went with something like a 14400F or 13400F? Cheaper than a 5700X3D and I could probably get away with using the same cooler I already have

[snow dragon]

Whats the cooler

[analog hearth]

Noctua NH-L9i-17xx

[snow dragon]

Oh I see i thought you already had the ryzen

Yeah if thats cheaper then get the intel

[analog hearth]

I have two routes I could go, given that I have mITX boards of both platforms

[snow dragon]

Oh ok

[analog hearth]

Originally wanted to go Ryzen (like loooong ago) but that didn’t work out so I ended up switching to Intel

[snow dragon]

Yeah you could get the 65w and then orient the cooler so the fins are parallel to the vrm to get some air over there

[analog hearth]

Hmmm okay

[weak flint]

are you tryna overclock the cpu to its limits? is that why you care about the vrms soo much?

[analog hearth]

I coolers aren't expensive either if I find that I have to upgrade anyways

[analog hearth]

Just a Bazzite OS build

[snow dragon]

Nah its cuz the intel board has few vrms and he has a 13700k

[analog hearth]

Yeah that was my original plan 💀 obviously not the best plan

[snow dragon]

If you use that lp and the 65w then that should be ok

[weak flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuPH9pCCK-E

...

[analog hearth]

Maximum turbo power is 148W 😭 I guess we'll see

[analog hearth]

Would have to be mITX. It's going into an NR200P

[weak flint]

man i used to know this youtuber that would make the best videos on vrms

gosh i cant find him

[weak flint]

the most important metric for a vrm its is response, i doubt vrm type changing based on motherboard size should relate pretty well

[snow dragon]

I wonder if the board has some options for low power mode or disabling max turbo or something about c state

[analog hearth]

If I kill the board, oh well. I guess I was bound to get a 5700X3D anyways lol

[analog hearth]

It might? I'd have to check

[snow dragon]

But it wont go to 148 gaming

Thats when you run cinebench

Or render something that hits the cpu

[analog hearth]

I might get a 13400 instead of a 13400F just for the iGPU. When I blow up the board, I can still use my ATX Z790 motherboard with this CPU for self hosted projects

I’m pretty sure I can limit the power on that board

(I also don't know how to run headless servers yet, so graphics are a must in CPUs for me rn lol)

Ooooh plus 0% APR financing with Amazon

That’s a bet

Arrives Thursday. I leave to go out of town that day 🫠

[snow dragon]

[analog hearth]

(And yes I have the motherboard updated. I updated it like two days ago)

[snow dragon]

At least it has a heatsink