building-and-recc-chat

[jolly dune]

my phone might be able to

[obsidian wigeon]

you'd have to get a usb drive and an otg adapter lol

and some software creativity

(assuming you're using android)

[jolly dune]

I infact am

would a really old laptop be able to?

Asus x405U

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

you just need to plug a usb drive into it

download and run media creation tool

it'll download the windows iso and make the usb drive bootable

[jolly dune]

okay okay

any sites you recommend to get a windows product key for a price which isn't £100 on the Microsoft site?

and should I get win 10/11/11 pro?

[obsidian wigeon]

uh

i can't disclose third party outlets

rules and all

but you don't need to buy a key

there's ways to remove the watermark

[jolly dune]

ah I see

[jolly dune]

could you in DM's since I asked for them?

[untold vessel]

anyone have a link to a cheap 60hz 1080p monitor?

[wary laurel]

All over Amazon. I’ll dig one up tho

[wary laurel]

https://a.co/d/fBefMnX this is the cheapest on Amazon at this moment in time

[fallen sphinx]

That’s not 1080p

[wary laurel]

https://www.anmliquidation.com/products/sansui-monitor-22-inch-ips-panel-1080p-cracked-screen-for-parts?variant=45535297306724&country=US&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21220328094&gclid=CjwKCAjw_pDBBhBMEiwAmY02Nshrpj4l0UOpVVSSOQ0rtOOIph72xI3dXCYNEASZfT_N5sIkd_MU0RoCO8cQAvD_BwE

[fallen sphinx]

“For parts”

[wary laurel]

My bad

[jolly dune]

uh what apps should I install once I fully build my pc?

[weary galleon]

There's this but it's probably going to be pretty terrible quality

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8pTmP6/planar-monitor-997640400

this one will be better panel quality and is also 100hz

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dbqrxr/lg-24mr400-b-238-1920-x-1080-100-hz-monitor-24mr400-b

The real play is to get one used locally

[wary laurel]

https://youtu.be/xNLIprYJWW4?si=K93Nhe6S4ekS2Mor

Please watch this!!!! It’s extremely useful when setting up a new pc!

[jolly dune]

okay 🙂

[dry urchin]

Hello… i was recommended to come in here because i am having a problem getting my bluray player to run

I am using a capture card for this i guess i dont quite know how to setup the capture card…Can anyone help?

😃

Anyone please…thanks

[slender furnace]

I dont think youd be able to for piracy reasons lol

[dry urchin]

Me?

[slender furnace]

Yes

Anyone

Yes

[dry urchin]

Piracy? Just trying to hook up my capture card so i can run my bluray player

Little complicated for me

[mystic dune]

@wide drum hi can i use your PC on our social media pages

[languid nimbus]

Ya that’s a gorgeous build

[stoic island]

are you just trying to do bluray player -> capture card -> tv/monitor?

[languid nimbus]

Wish mine didn’t look like a turd that sit underground for 50 yrs

Ol dinosaur pc

[dry urchin]

YES…. Just trying to do bluray player> capture card> monitor

[stoic island]

Plug bluray player's output into input of capture card, plug monitor into the output of the capture card, check if you need to flip any switches on the capture card to enable passthrough, and plug usb or whatever it uses from the capture card into a computer where you want the recording to go

[dry urchin]

I’ll try that right now

Usb is in the computer…Only 1 HD port on the monitor, which i have plugged into the GPU

[mystic dune]

post pics and ill post them

[languid nimbus]

But

[stoic island]

are you trying to use the bluray and the computer at the same time?

What other ports are on the monitor?

[dry urchin]

Yes…bought a bluray that wont play without a capture card…its only one other port on the monitor and thats VGA

[languid nimbus]

Won’t play without a capture card? That’s odd

[stoic island]

I mean one option is only plugging bluray into the capture card, and then plugging usb into PC, while PC is still connected to monitor. You wouldn't be able to see the bluray footage directly but you would be recording it and theorhetically able to just play back what's being recorded on the PC lol

[languid nimbus]

Yeah that’s counter intuitive

[dry urchin]

RIGHT

The pc doesnt see the bluray player without the capture card

I think what i need is an HDMI splitter… i plug the splitter into the GPU, then plug the monitor and capture card into the splitter?

[stoic island]

best option is a hdmi to vga adapter

[slender furnace]

Hmm

[dry urchin]

Yep

[slender furnace]

Ive been untime outed?

[stoic island]

problem with trying to use splitter with 2 inputs into 1 output is that the monitor has no way of figuring out what is from what input, you'd have to get something like a kvm switch and that gets expensive

[slender furnace]

5$-6 was the

Ignore that iphone glitch

That was the fastest hour ive ever seen

Reggie get a new dvd plauer

[dry urchin]

Ok…that sounds right…just thinking that last night… monitor may get confused while plugged into a splitter

So ill look a VGA/HDMI hybrid connector…THANKS!!!!

Thought about a new dvd player… this is a new build… dont want to spend more money on another

[slender furnace]

Man

Show us what ur build and dvd player looks like

[dry urchin]

Everything works perfect… fastest pc i ever owned

[slender furnace]

What am i looking for

Show more pics

Show pics of everything

[dry urchin]

That the bluray

Bluray and capture card

[slender furnace]

Yea, your not gonna be able to do that lolz

It probs has anti piracy

[dry urchin]

So in other words, ill need a new player.

[slender furnace]

No

In other words, you wont be able to do this with anything

[dry urchin]

A USB/HDMI/DP player will work… but i will still try a VGA/HDMI connector

[slender furnace]

Ok unc

[wide drum]

Absolutely

I can take better pics with different RGB colors if desired

Just ping me 😀

[plucky timber]

I'd just get a optical drive

You get the highest quality rip straight from the source

[dusky hearth]

Blue ray ripping is a little finicky though afaik

There's specific models that you should be using to rip

[plucky timber]

generally the 5.25" blu ray drives are cheaper

[mystic dune]

ahh okay thank you !! let me check

[sacred holly]

hey @plucky timber sorry for the @, before I order the rest of my comps, is this the correct build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sdRsgn

[fallen sphinx]

How come 3060 and 9600x

[weary galleon]

I think he got a good deal on a used 3060 maybe? Don't quite remember

[fallen sphinx]

Also wtf that mobo is way too expensive

[weary galleon]

$150 for am5?

Doesn't seem that bad to me

[sacred holly]

Yes yes, good deal on a new one

[fallen sphinx]

You can get cheaper

[sacred holly]

Yea it’s also so I don’t have to update bios or anything

[sacred holly]

Pc parts said there could be a compatibly issue

And it’s about $10 more than what I was gonna get

B650vsB850

[sacred holly]

And the 9600x I thought was a good deal, came with a free ssd as well

[weary galleon]

Define good deal

[sacred holly]

$250 on a new trio fan 12g

[weary galleon]

Not terrible I suppose

Probably could have gotten a used 2080ti

[sacred holly]

Ik I coulda got anything better but

It is what it is

[fallen sphinx]

That only means you need to update bios

[sacred holly]

Way too much work

[fallen sphinx]

… you have to do it anyways

[sacred holly]

Nuh uh

Then should I go cheaper and save a lil ?

[weary galleon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/1kjwmqc/just_tested_the_heat_absorbing_abilities_of_the/

[sacred holly]

Lmao what😭

Does the Minecraft build solidify by choice

[weary galleon]

literally just sumbled upon that and was like wait that mobo seems familiar

it's a pretty good board. If you need wifi this would be the cheaper option
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/b8P8TW/asrock-b650m-pg-lightning-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pg-lightning-wifi

[sacred holly]

😭😭

Idm the small increase tho, my mom will be funding me a little bit so I have some extra cash

[weary galleon]

kinda sad vrm heatsinks on the pg lightning though

[sacred holly]

So 850M micro w WiFi?

[weary galleon]

yeah

[plucky timber]

Ehhh

I'd go with better vrms

[weary galleon]

The one he already has was the one I said yes to

850m pro rs

[plucky timber]

I think I recommended him the 650m pro rs wifi

$139

[weary galleon]

Yeah that's only $10 less than the 850 model

[plucky timber]

Vrm wise it's solid

[weary galleon]

Same or very similar vrms, looks like 850 has a full lower pcie slot vs the 650 has a half

[plucky timber]

I think the 850 is more of a "nice to have"

[weary galleon]

Seems worth it for $10 more

[plucky timber]

I'm a bit iffy on the PG lighting wifi

Imo it costs a but too much

For what it is

[weary galleon]

Yeah it has no heatsinks on the vrms, don't think it's worth the savings

[plucky timber]

The vrms themselves are pretty mediocre too

[weary galleon]

Oh it does have a (small) heatsink on the left ones

But yeah compared to the pro rs they're not great

[plucky timber]

6+2+1 vs 2x4+2+1

It's on the low end of boards

Should be under $100 if you ask me

Same with the B850M-X

[sacred holly]

Yeah you did, but the 850m was a lil higher in price but seemingly better, also I don’t think I could order the 650 rn

[plucky timber]

It should function more or less the same

So you're good there

[sacred holly]

Is it at all better

[plucky timber]

I mean

For most scenarios

You probably won't be able to tell

It does look better

And it's on a newer chipset

You have 4 gen 5 lanes

But at this point it's not like you can tell the difference between gen 4 and gen 5 ssds

Especially if it's just for gaming

But hey more lanes

[sacred holly]

Fair

I have two ssds so

[torn mesa]

$2500 white build for gaming?

[sacred holly]

$2500 and budget in the same sentence 🫩😔💔

[torn mesa]

my bad gang 💔

i meant a budget of 2500

[weary galleon]

Nned wifi or no?

No wifi doesn't save too much anyways

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7fCy74

This plus whatever gpu you end up snagging. Market's pretty bad rn

Could bump the cpu to a 7800x3d if you wanted

Case is mostly preference

[plucky timber]

Might be able to fit a 9070XT and a 9800X3D

I say might because white tax on gpu

[fallen sphinx]

Isn’t his budget double that

[plucky timber]

Not including gpu

If you put in a 5080 it goes overbudget

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6GnHKq

You know what

This works

Not a fan of the motherboard and gpu prices

But white tax

[fallen sphinx]

Just get a 5080 atp

[plucky timber]

Ahahhahaha

No

They're double the price

[fallen sphinx]

They usually sell for near msrp

[plucky timber]

If you can find one

Then yeah

5080

Remember it has to be white too

[plucky timber]

Went for X870 because an all white motherboard

And also it costs the same as the B650/B850 all white boards

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6fnHKq

Forgot the psu

Went for a RM because....

Well that's some very expensive hardware in there

Better safe than sorry

[fallen sphinx]

115 for 850???

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KPCbDj get a 1000w atp

[plucky timber]

Eh

That psu is worse

No point

Just because you can doesn't mean you should

Nevermind

The vetroo is better

Forgot that RM isn't RMx

Still there's no reason to get a 1000w

[snow dragon]

Well at least the fan wont kick on

[plucky timber]

850w is plenty for the system

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hHw6db

$2360

That's probably the most I can go before compromising on aesthetics or performance

Alternatively

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pXTBJn

Black psu because you can barely see it through the shroud

That brings it down to $2335

[manic cloak]

5800x for 100$.. good pricing?

[snow dragon]

Yeah thats really good

[tender cedar]

If I'm getting Ryzen 5 7600 is necessary to get like Peerless Assassin 120 SE cooler or is the wraith stealth cooler of the cpu enough

[snow dragon]

Wraith stealth is not gonna treat it too well

Other people would recommend a cheaper cooler but I am a fan of overkill cooling

Plus the pa120 is like 35-40 so its not a dealbreaker or anything

I would still get it even though you could technically get away with less

[tender cedar]

Aight problem is I live in Finland so it's hard to get cheap parts here I'm just ordering on Amazon de but its 1400 rn I'm tryna cut costs

[snow dragon]

How much is the peerless assassin for you

[tender cedar]

Actually yeah you're right it's only 45 not much difference but I was thinking Radeon Rx 7800xt but it's 600 that's a lot I saw rx 7600xt for 394 maybe that's better value?

[snow dragon]

Both are kinda brutal ngl

But I guess thats how pricing be like over there

[tender cedar]

Yeah it's not nice

Maybe I can put the parts into pcpartpicker and you can tell me if it's fine?

[snow dragon]

Sure send the link

Can look for alternatives on there as well

[tender cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DWmksp

[weary galleon]

SSD overpriced, I'd grab a klevv cras c910 or similar (~$50/tb)

unless you're editing 4k/8k video then the 5.0 might be worth

there might also be a combo deal on newegg for a 9600x or 7600x

[tender cedar]

unfortunately don't think newegg ships to finland where i am

[feral bobcat]

Hello

[gloomy root]

3080 12 gb vs a 5070 12 GB is.it worth upgrading?

Have the 3080 already and can get the 5070 for cheap but just not sure

[weary galleon]

Depends how cheap

[stoic island]

It's only about a 20% improvement, base the decision off of that and the price, it is most likely not worth it

[sacred holly]

@plucky timber, on the build you made with the MONTECH XR, mid tower case, it has three pre-installed fans, should I pop in three more or would I be chillin?

[weary galleon]

3 is likely fine. If you want more, a 3 pack of thermalright fans is like $14

[plucky timber]

No

That is very unnecessary

You have decent enough airflow

Installing more fans will be more of an aesthetic change

You won't see that much benefit performance wise

If at all

[sacred holly]

That’s what I had in my cart but if I can skip the extra $14 and all the work then good

[sacred holly]

Perfect thank you

The mobo just came in td w the ram and the power supply

Stuffed it all in one box w the mobo on the bottom😭

I love neweeg, one day delivery for free

[sacred holly]

@plucky timber aren’t mobos supposed to come w hardware, screws and such

Or is that not the case for a micro atx

Ik they come w the case but I thought mobos had smth too

[plucky timber]

No

The only screws they come with are m.2 screws

[sacred holly]

IO shield must be built in

[plucky timber]

?

[covert aspen]

chat is this a good pc, i saved up about 500 bucks for a pc (im going to upgrade it later on when i have the cash on me) but im still convered if its a good pc because i am not a pc expert, heres the link of the pc https://www.newegg.com/ipason-gaming-desktop-amd-radeon-vega-7-amd-ryzen-5-5600g-16gb-ddr4-1tb-ssd-black-white/p/3D5-001U-000Z3

[plucky timber]

I would suggest getting a used pc instead

[old sedge]

is this good? I already have all parts from my other pc except the cpu and mobo https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kWqbDj

[plucky timber]

absolutely not

cpu is pretty overpriced

[old sedge]

oh really?

[plucky timber]

the 14400 is not worth $176

[old sedge]

what one should i get then?

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ykM39C

this would be better for your money

[old sedge]

would it be good for 3d work?

[plucky timber]

what software are you using?

[old sedge]

blender unity maybe ue5

[plucky timber]

is gaming not a priority on this pc?

alright

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KHyxjn

this would be better

[old sedge]

hm ya ok do i have an upgrade path?

[plucky timber]

not really

alternatively

you can get this

$50 more
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nWQR6Q

but it's pretty much one of the best cpus on am4

not sure how much your specific workload benefits from 3d cache

[old sedge]

is intel not good?

[plucky timber]

is it bad? no

is it the best value for money?

also no

[old sedge]

should i just wait and build a new pc?

[plucky timber]

going to ddr5 would be beneficial yes

for both intel and amd

[old sedge]

any cheap way i can get there?

[plucky timber]

define cheap

[old sedge]

uh

[plucky timber]

well the thing is

since you're replacing the cpu and motherboard anyways

the only extra thing you have to spend money on is ram

[old sedge]

ya i guess thats true upgrade mobo cpu and ram then?

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LJKh8Q

also

I wouldn't recommend that ryzen ddr4 list anymore

turns out 13600kf is more cost effective

well not more cost effective

but with more performance/$ for your use case

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWkwZc

here's two lists

one with ddr5 and one with ddr4

both are good since you can just upgrade the motherboard and ram at later date

[snow dragon]

I would spend more on ddr5

[plucky timber]

this

you will have to upgrade the motherboard eventually anyways

it's more cost effective to just get it out of the way

[snow dragon]

It would be better to do ddr5 because you would keep that configuration for longer

You would upgrade later

[plucky timber]

you can keep the ram stick too

[snow dragon]

Yeah exactly

[old sedge]

so like 373 usd for ddr5 and 309 usd for ddr4

hmmm

[plucky timber]

it's well worth it

you're getting more performance out of the 13600kf

because LGA 1700 is a dead end platform anyways

just like AM4

[snow dragon]

Yeah more to cough up now but it will save you in the long run because you will have a stronger platform. Might as well get the most out of this platform before having to upgrade

[plucky timber]

although in this case

Intel is definitely better for performance/$

since it's a workstation rather than a gaming pc

13600KF is surprisingly good

for these types of loads

[snow dragon]

Its like 50 bucks more than the amd build but the cpu is much more powerful for work and gaming

[plucky timber]

blows Zen 3 out of the water

[plucky timber]

depends

5700X3D can be pretty good in gaming

however

gaming isn't the main focus here

[snow dragon]

Yeah even 12th gen intel can beat 5000 series

Well

Before x3d came out

[plucky timber]

I'd say the 5700X3D is toe to toe with 14th gen

with ddr4

3D cache obviously being the selling point

[snow dragon]

Yeah but it falls behind on work

[plucky timber]

but since it's a non gaming use case

the 13600K just destroys it

[snow dragon]

Yup

[plucky timber]

ESPECIALLY with ddr5

sadly no cheap 7200MHz sticks

but oh well

[old sedge]

wait what about that micro code thing with the 13s?

[plucky timber]

it's been fixed

as long as you update the bios you're good

[old sedge]

ah ok

wait 1700 is dead what came after it?

is

[plucky timber]

LGA1851

for core ultra processor

don't get them tho

right now the performance /$ isn't better than 13-14th gen

not just performance/$

performance in general

[old sedge]

oh

[snow dragon]

Ok so you can make core ultra fast but it takes some cope to do it

[plucky timber]

these cpus are overpriced as hell

[snow dragon]

Isnt there the ultra 7 combo on newegg

It has ram and two games I think

[plucky timber]

wtf?

how much?

[old sedge]

well i mean its better to get ddr5 right?

[snow dragon]

Actually nvm its still more out the door

Its 300 I think

[plucky timber]

ehhhhhhhhhhhh

no motherboard?

wait

i7 at $189

oh wait it's alder lake nvm

[snow dragon]

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-ultra-7-265k-arrow-lake-lga-1851-processor/p/N82E16819118506#IsFeedbackTab

Yeah nvm

[plucky timber]

doesn't even come with a motherboard

wait

how much is the ultra 5 bundle

[old sedge]

oh dang wait i need a cooler.....crap

[plucky timber]

there is a cooler on the list

[snow dragon]

Ok so I guess that 13600k list it is then

[snow dragon]

No bundle

[plucky timber]

wtf

245K is $299

scam

[snow dragon]

Oh i just see this right now yeah

Lmao

Why would they do this

[plucky timber]

actually you know what...

[old sedge]

i dont see one https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pCx9pK

[plucky timber]

I might be crazy

[snow dragon]

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-ultra-7-265kf-arrow-lake-lga-1851-processor/p/19-118-507?Item=19-118-507&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

[old sedge]

am i blind lol

[plucky timber]

265K might be good

[plucky timber]

wrong list

[snow dragon]

Ok so he forgot it hold on

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pCx9pK

[snow dragon]

Oh nvm

[plucky timber]

wtf

where did the cooler go

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LJKh8Q

[snow dragon]

Who took the cooler

[plucky timber]

linux clipboard shenanigans probs

probably pasted the wrong list

ok ok cloud

hear me out

oh wait

nvm

don't hear me out

[snow dragon]

[plucky timber]

I rounded the price down to $200 instead of up to $300

rookie mistake

I thought the bundle was good for a sec

although

are there any 14th gen bundles

[snow dragon]

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-14600kf-core-i5-14th-gen-raptor-lake-lga-1700-desktop-processor/p/19-118-472?Item=19-118-472&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

[plucky timber]

that's a ssd deal

eh

[old sedge]

im sorry the coolers not showing up or at least for me its not

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LJKh8Q

please tell me the clipboard pasted the right link this time

[snow dragon]

Yes

[snow dragon]

True

[old sedge]

ok yup

[plucky timber]

another thing to watch for

the power supply

it's C tier so it won't blow up

but I'd probably consider upgrading it in the future

It's not that urgent

but it's still a lower quality unit

[old sedge]

ya i saw that lol

[plucky timber]

but you're not stressing it that hard with a 2070s

so I'd say it's fine

but if you ever do a gpu upgrade with a more power hungry gpu

you might want to consider swapping out the power supply

[river radish]

Hey all, I'm building a PC, but it won't boot. Is this the right place to ask for help?

[snow dragon]

I mean even a 9070 xt wont stress that

[plucky timber]

unless you have a sapphire

then you do have to swap it out

because no 12vhpwr

[old sedge]

oh this is the case im using now can i reuse it? https://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/spec/getspec.aspx?n=CAS&g=1&sid=CAS&pid=CS_CPONYXIA&v=Cyberpower ONYXIA Mid-Tower Black Gaming Case w%2F USB 3.0%2C Front %26 Side Tempered Glass

[snow dragon]

Does it post

[plucky timber]

I mean the airflow is terrible

but it's not the end of the world

[snow dragon]

Brutal case

[plucky timber]

not ideal but 🤷‍♂️

especially on intel

[snow dragon]

Oh there is a side intake

[plucky timber]

thank god you got the thermalright in the list then

is that radiator even getting any air?

jesus I hate SIs

[river radish]

No, it powers up, but it's got a light on the mobo that says it's unhappy with the cpu

[plucky timber]

what motherboard?
what cpu?

[snow dragon]

What board and cpu you got rn

Maybe the bios is out of date or something

Have you reseated the cpu

[old sedge]

ya was a prebuilt i got form 2019

lol

[river radish]

Gigabyte Z790 aorus elite ax with an i7

[plucky timber]

would be funny if there's no flashback

i7...?

[snow dragon]

Which i7

[snow dragon]

[old sedge]

i7 8700k

[plucky timber]

well it's not AMD so

🤷‍♂️

[river radish]

I7 14700k

[plucky timber]

wait what

oh I got confused

I was like

[river radish]

I've tried reseating, and I hit the flash bios button

[plucky timber]

coffee lake??? the hell?

but have you flashed the bios

the board officially supports 13th gen

so it could just be an out of date bios

[stoic island]

that board has the flashback button on the board itself, not on rear io

[river radish]

Yeah, the box says 14th Gen though

[plucky timber]

that should be a newer revision

[river radish]

And the website

[plucky timber]

probably not the cpu then

sigh

[snow dragon]

Interesting

The listing says 12th and 13th

[plucky timber]

please post full specs, and explain everything you've done up to this point

[stoic island]

either way it's a good idea to update the bios, Intel pushed another microcode update to "finally" fix the 13/14th gen instability issues

[river radish]

Yeah, hard to know what's broken

[snow dragon]

What if you got an old board that doesnt have the newer version but is in the newer box

Gigabyte trolling

[plucky timber]

Is this your first build btw

[river radish]

It's says rev 1.1 on the mobo, so I think it's the newer one

No, not my first, but it's been a while

[plucky timber]

ok good

[snow dragon]

Wait how do you know its 1,1

[plucky timber]

try reseating ram first

[old sedge]

is the Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE good its like 17 usd?

[plucky timber]

ehhhh

that's pushing it

for a 13600kf

[snow dragon]

Yeah that 13600 gonna melt

[plucky timber]

the 13600kf is a very hot chip

[river radish]

I tried booting with no ram, same deal

[stoic island]

it's good enough for low power chips, wouldn't use it for a 13600k

[old sedge]

dang xD

[plucky timber]

the thermalrights are the cheapest you can go

they're damn good coolers too

[snow dragon]

Well thats gonna happen because there is no ram

Try one stick

[plucky timber]

it could be improperly seated ram

ram is really fussy

[stoic island]

Anyways either way I'd try to do flashback (Gigabyte calls it q-flash plus) and flash the latest bios version, Gigabyte generally uses the revision system for hardware revisions not to tell you it has updated bios, like rev 1.1 on b550 aorus elite was them changing vrm layouts iirc for reference

[snow dragon]

[river radish]

I'll try, but I've already tried in several different configurations with the ram

Even without ram it should get to bios

The light that's on says cpu, but I'm more inclined to think it's a mobo problem

[old sedge]

hmmm little over 400 usd not great but not to bad

[plucky timber]

you benefit more over time

wait how did you get $400

ddr4?

[old sedge]

cutting out storage and psu https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LJKh8Q

[plucky timber]

ah

[old sedge]

and well gpu too

[plucky timber]

cuz you already have those

I see

[stoic island]

That doesn't really work nowadays, need ram to get to bios, I'd flash a new bios on with flashback and/or reseat the CPU again

[river radish]

Good to know

[old sedge]

this is what i have now im going to be getting the 2070s in soon tho https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JPthXk

[plucky timber]

oh yeah you're gonna see quite a big jump

going from 8700k to 13600kf

[old sedge]

good was hoping so

lol

was going to use the 2070s just for now until i get up the money

that would be fine right?

[plucky timber]

use the 2070s for what?

are you not keeping the 2070s?

[old sedge]

in the build i have now

[plucky timber]

I mean

if you don't have to spend money on it

I don't see why not

[old sedge]

ok cool cuz i dont have money rn XD

[plucky timber]

yeah that's our whole deal here

we make pc builds for performance/$

you get the most out of every dollar you spend

[old sedge]

ty for help btw

[plucky timber]

np

[edgy cape]

I got a 4070ti super and was wondering if this cable is fine? Or if I need a dual 8pin?

I have the Corsair RM850x

[snow dragon]

Is that the cable the rm came with

[edgy cape]

Yeah

I’m just stupid paranoid so just wanna triple check

[snow dragon]

You good then

[edgy cape]

Gotcha ty boss 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[snow dragon]

[zenith cargo]

pc died

booted up normally and got this

[snow dragon]

Do you have any undervolts or overclocks

What cpu

Also, is it a different stop code each time or is it that acpi one coming up a lot

[zenith cargo]

OC for gpu only

ryzen 7 9800x3d

[snow dragon]

What board you got

[zenith cargo]

b650m pro r

es

rs

[snow dragon]

Ok

[snow dragon]

How long have you had it

[zenith cargo]

Upgraded like 2 months ago

or 3

[snow dragon]

Damn it I was gonna say to run sfc /scannow after some bios changes, hoping nothing was corrupt

How old is your drive

[zenith cargo]

New as well

bought it christmas time

sn850x

I have another ssd in it

just storage tho

windows is on the sn850x

I can boot in bios

i’m in bios rn

[snow dragon]

Hmm I wonder whats gonna happen if you press f1

Nah I think its more so windows now rather than the asrock stuff

Ok well you rebooted I guess

Try again and see if you can go into safe mode

[plucky timber]

mfw windows

[snow dragon]

[plucky timber]

yeah if it was asrock it wouldn't boot at all

[snow dragon]

Yeah he would get that cpu light

[plucky timber]

could be the annual windows suicide

[snow dragon]

I am kinda paranoid ngl

I made my soc voltage static but still

[plucky timber]

Windows Suicide affects millions of people per year worldwide, to see how to prevent this phenomenon from affecting your computer, please refer to https://www.linux.org/pages/download/

[snow dragon]

Although, the b650 boards seem to have less failures

[plucky timber]

It seems like the biggest issues are with the 9800X3D

the easiest fix is to not get an asrock for X3Ds

gigabyte makes decent mid rangers

I haven't really seen other cpus die

aside from the 9800X3D

not sure about the 7800X3D

[snow dragon]

People had other 9000 cpus die but it was pretty uncommon

[zenith cargo]

trying rn

[snow dragon]

If not you gotta go into the installation media and try to recover from there

[zenith cargo]

takes me back to this screen

[snow dragon]

Oh wait

[plucky timber]

I think it's more because the 9800X3D uses enough power to expose the manufacturing defects

whatever that might be

[snow dragon]

I forgot already

[plucky timber]

it's kinda like intel degradation

[snow dragon]

Press f1 and see what happens

[snow dragon]

Nah its their bios

[plucky timber]

< 13/14600K aren't affected by degradation because they don't use enough power

[snow dragon]

Something they have in there is overvolting

[plucky timber]

hmm

really?

I'm leaning towards a hardware issue but if it's just software

that's a lot better

[snow dragon]

When the recovery mode doesnt recover

[plucky timber]

when has recovery mode ever worked

[snow dragon]

I mean idk just try at least lol

Ok so now installation media time

[zenith cargo]

i mightve used a setting the boosts cpu performance

within bios

[snow dragon]

Hmm

pbo?

Turn that off and see what happens

[plucky timber]

did you overclock ram btw?

[zenith cargo]

no

[plucky timber]

ok good

[snow dragon]

[zenith cargo]

just the xmp thingy or whatever

[snow dragon]

oh my god

[plucky timber]

oh

it's straight up corrupted

[snow dragon]

Bro

[zenith cargo]

bro yall scaring me 💀

what

[plucky timber]

I mean

[zenith cargo]

💀💀💀🥲

[plucky timber]

it's not uncommon

[snow dragon]

Thats that 1995 screen dawg

[plucky timber]

windows likes to kill itself

I'm leaning towards some stupid update breaking the whole system

[zenith cargo]

bro this windows is like 2 months old too

[snow dragon]

Do you have the installation media

[zenith cargo]

it’s freshly installed

[zenith cargo]

I have flash drive

[plucky timber]

see

[zenith cargo]

should I pull out anything and put it back in?

[plucky timber]

I don't even know if 2 months is enough for windows to die

[snow dragon]

Ok boot to the installation media

[plucky timber]

with how ms is messing with windows these days

[snow dragon]

Should be a lot longer

[zenith cargo]

but it doesn’t have windows

[plucky timber]

no

[snow dragon]

Alright so you dont have it

[plucky timber]

but it does have the installation media

oh

so you don't have the installation media

[snow dragon]

Go to another computer and download the installation media

[plucky timber]

you can probably use the installation media to repair it

[zenith cargo]

I don’t have access to it 💀

[snow dragon]

Or you can do the iso image

[snow dragon]

[plucky timber]

you need another computer

[zenith cargo]

wait so it’s fs windows then?

windows suicided

[plucky timber]

maybe

did you do any tweaking?

[zenith cargo]

ceases to exist

[plucky timber]

at all?

[zenith cargo]

nope

[plucky timber]

recently?

no?

[zenith cargo]

my normal shut off and on

i turned it off to shower

[plucky timber]

windows strikes again

[zenith cargo]

and barely turned it back on rn

[plucky timber]

I hate microsoft

[zenith cargo]

it booted up

[snow dragon]

He said he turned on some cpu boosting thing in the bios which I am assuming is most likely pbo

[zenith cargo]

but the loading took long

[snow dragon]

Did you turn that off

[plucky timber]

PBO shouldn't destabilize the OS tho

[zenith cargo]

my pc was on but the screen remained black

so I started turning it on and off

it was prob me the killed windows

[plucky timber]

ok

that is legit a skill issue tbh

you shouldn't do that on any OS

[zenith cargo]

bro my screen wasn’t turning on that’s why

[plucky timber]

yeah but you don't turn it on and off

that's one way to corrupt your OS

[zenith cargo]

there’s power indicators ok the side of my mb should I look into those b

[plucky timber]

It's more like that it's just the OS that's corrupted

[zenith cargo]

oh

dang

[snow dragon]

Well the acpi stop code is related to the acpi settings in the bios

[plucky timber]

I mean

[snow dragon]

But the missing kernel file means windows decided to cut itself and then bled out

[plucky timber]

PBO's also not the only thing that can cause it

[snow dragon]

Yeah memory can too

Although it is rarer

[plucky timber]

or just

the OS being corrupted

which considering the context

is probably what happened

[zenith cargo]

should I look at anything in the bios?

[plucky timber]

when did you turn on PBO?

[zenith cargo]

I didn’t

it’s off

[snow dragon]

Yeah its just that the other variables weren't ruled out yet. Still most likely bricked bios

[plucky timber]

no like

when did you turn it on first

[plucky timber]

could be either

[snow dragon]

But you said you turned something on

[zenith cargo]

it’s for the same reason. I didn’t wanna mess with my cpu settings to avoid any issues

[plucky timber]

?

[zenith cargo]

yea like power related

lemme check

[snow dragon]

Ok let us know

[plucky timber]

ok

that is a very important detail

[zenith cargo]

zen5 gaming optimizations

[plucky timber]

eh?

what does it say?

in the description

[zenith cargo]

🤷

[snow dragon]

The hell that even mean bruh

[zenith cargo]

and agesa default

[snow dragon]

Ok turn it off and see what happens

[plucky timber]

probably just some mobo gimmick

[snow dragon]

Yeah

[zenith cargo]

na wait hold on

[plucky timber]

maybe it prioritises single thread or something

I hate marketing

[zenith cargo]

I turned on SAM

[plucky timber]

please do not turn on anything

[zenith cargo]

the re sizable bar thingy

[snow dragon]

Sam is not power related

[plucky timber]

yeah

sounds like you just corrupted windows then

[zenith cargo]

ooof

csm is off too

[plucky timber]

yeah happens to everyone

it's just that usually windows corrupts itself instead of the user corrupting it

[zenith cargo]

dang

[snow dragon]

Ok so you dont have any other pc right now

[zenith cargo]

lemme try and turn on my brothers pc

has windows 10 and in urgent need of updates 💀

[snow dragon]

Great, and windows wont let you do anything while it updates

[plucky timber]

in urgent need of updates

more like

delay updates for 5 years

[snow dragon]

Ok well is it just saying that or is it actually updating rn

[zenith cargo]

no not going to update it rn

just saying it’s slow as shi

[plucky timber]

oh

you need upgrades

[snow dragon]

Ok so its not one of those where it does it automatically

[plucky timber]

not updates

[zenith cargo]

like iphone 6 speed

[plucky timber]

the devil is in the details

upgrade generally refers to a hardware upgrade
update generally refers to a software update

semantics

bla bla bla

[zenith cargo]

alr he’s turning it on

[snow dragon]

Ok on that pc I want you do download something called ventoy, and download the iso image for whichever windows version you have, so probably the w11 iso if i had to guess

[zenith cargo]

bro I had windows on the flash drive but I needed to update my monitor trying to fix the horrible color banding so i had to erase the drive

but I had it installed

[snow dragon]

Plug in the flash drive and format with ventoy, then move the iso to it

[snow dragon]

Brutal

[zenith cargo]

i can’t grab it from their website?

[plucky timber]

you can

you grab the iso

[zenith cargo]

it’ll be easier on mu end

[plucky timber]

and you put it on the ventoy usb

[snow dragon]

Thats why I got a thumb drive at the cashier area in micro center when I got somehing there so I can have another drive for other stuff

Yeah to to microsoft and get the iso, then get ventoy

Format the drive using ventoy and put the iso on it

That thumb drive will be your iso image thumb drive

[plucky timber]

the beauty of ventoy

is that you can put more isos on it

like a better OS

[snow dragon]

[plucky timber]

to be fair I'm jabbing at windows too hard here

[snow dragon]

Linux user moment

[plucky timber]

It's not windows' fault... this time

[plucky timber]

I've swallowed the linux pill

and then had 5 more

now I can't go back

[snow dragon]

[plucky timber]

the tiling alone is enough to keep me here

Linux is so much faster

and I'm not talking about performance

tiling wms are so quick to work with

[snow dragon]

No you must go through 20 year old menus for some obscure setting that nobody talks about

[zenith cargo]

bro

i can’t find the usb drive..

💀

[snow dragon]

Those old setting menus that nobody touched for years but updated everything else

[snow dragon]

Cooked

[plucky timber]

the windows ones?

[snow dragon]

Yeah

[plucky timber]

you mean the 3 different settings apps?

why did ms decide to make windows defender have its own program

and STILL haven't merged settings and control panel

multi million dollar btw

versus the unpaid KDE slaves

[snow dragon]

There is still more

There is the setting app with the red boxes

[plucky timber]

what are all these menus

[snow dragon]

Windows

[plucky timber]

I want to work for microsoft

get paid to do nothing

[zenith cargo]

the vga and vram light up red

[snow dragon]

As you can see at the end there are two firewall settings

[plucky timber]

what now?

🤨

[snow dragon]

There is also windows firewall and advanced firewall

[plucky timber]

does the pc not boot?

[snow dragon]

The plot thickens

[zenith cargo]

yes

actually

no

[plucky timber]

so nothing's changed

[zenith cargo]

if i hit the power button again, it will send me to the recovery page

[plucky timber]

debug leds just turn on

when you turn on the pc

if there's no fault with the pc

[zenith cargo]

this is how the problem initially started

wouldn’t boot

[plucky timber]

then there might not be a problem

[zenith cargo]

black screen

then i restarted it

[plucky timber]

I thought the monitor didn't turn on

[zenith cargo]

which it then took me to the windows recovery page

[plucky timber]

so you're saying there's no display output

[zenith cargo]

that’s why

if it hit it again

[plucky timber]

but was the monitor on

so the monitor was on

there just wasn't any display output from the pc

that's a massive difference

from what you described

[zenith cargo]

hold on

lemme get this straight

okay

sit down

hit power

pc lights up

monitor doesn’t

starts getting worried

okay still waiting

monitor off

okay turns off pc

still black screen

holds power button

[snow dragon]

Ok wait hold on

[zenith cargo]

sends me to recovery page

[plucky timber]

that still doesn't eliminate windows

[snow dragon]

So nothing came up at all when you turned it on? Was the monitor turned off?

[zenith cargo]

yes

[plucky timber]

ok

[zenith cargo]

nothing came up

[plucky timber]

the question we're asking is

[zenith cargo]

slrrr

[snow dragon]

The monitor should still show like a little no display window or somethng, then says it geos to sleep

[zenith cargo]

yes

[plucky timber]

Do you mean that:
The monitor was TURNED OFF
or
There is no display out out FROM the computer

[zenith cargo]

actually no

[plucky timber]

massive difference between the two

[zenith cargo]

afterwards

when i turn it off

and try to turn it

on

[plucky timber]

turn what off?

the comptuer?

[zenith cargo]

yes

[plucky timber]

it sounds like you're not describing a monitor being off

you're describing there being no display output

it's very different from the monitor not being on

[zenith cargo]

correct

[plucky timber]

that's another crucial detail

[snow dragon]

Which one is correct

[plucky timber]

now that does hint to a hardware issue

show a picture of your computer

focus it on the gpu

[zenith cargo]

monitor is on but there’s no output

[snow dragon]

He did say he had a gpu oc

[plucky timber]

That is not the computer

that is the monitor

[zenith cargo]

i’m

i’m

ik

i’m tryna show u the power indicator is on

[plucky timber]

please focus more on the cpu

gpu*

[zenith cargo]

the gpu lights up n all

even the red light from the gpu isn’t on

[plucky timber]

from this pic I can eliminate physical damage

from sagging

[zenith cargo]

💀

[snow dragon]

Yeah that is very straight

[zenith cargo]

yea but i think the screw is stuck forever

[plucky timber]

I'd still just try to reinstall windows first

[zenith cargo]

from
the back

[plucky timber]

and then DDU?

[plucky timber]

that's irrelevant

[zenith cargo]

i’m

just saying lol

[plucky timber]

shouldn't make the gpu not boot

[snow dragon]

Ahhh you did the screw trick

[plucky timber]

so

[zenith cargo]

lmao

[plucky timber]

does the pc boot

to the recovery screen?

[zenith cargo]

if i were to turn it off yes

[plucky timber]

is it guaranteed to do that every time

[zenith cargo]

yes

[snow dragon]

No thumb drive

[plucky timber]

without black screening?

[zenith cargo]

yes afterwards

[plucky timber]

after... what?

[snow dragon]

Rebooting ig

[zenith cargo]

i’m able to do black screen rn because it turned off from being idle for too long which i was able to replicate the problem from the start

[plucky timber]

WHEN does the black screen occur in the boot process

past the bios?

[zenith cargo]

yes

[plucky timber]

before? during?

that could be hibernation/fast startup shenanigans

[zenith cargo]

I’m guessing after it turns off from being idle

fast start up is enabled

in bios

just saw

rn

i remember turning my off

it*

[plucky timber]

I mean in the windows settings

[zenith cargo]

o

[plucky timber]

I always turn hibernation and fast start-up off

It can cause issues

[zenith cargo]

okay i’m going to hold the power button rn

it’s going to take me to the blue screen

[plucky timber]

so

what you need to do is

1. Get the windows iso on a thumb drive via ventoy/rufus
2. boot onto the installation media and use that to repair the os
3. if that fails, reinstall windows

[zenith cargo]

i see the boot screen from asrock but it instantly sends me to the repair screen

[plucky timber]

so it does post

[snow dragon]

Yeah

[plucky timber]

it sounds like an entirely software issue

rather than hardware

[snow dragon]

Gotta find that thumb drive

[zenith cargo]

it just turned off

[snow dragon]

Or get a cheap 32 gig

[zenith cargo]

I didn’t touch it and turned off

[plucky timber]

I have way too many flash drives

[zenith cargo]

prob to save power

[plucky timber]

probably because it doesn't work

[zenith cargo]

ima try go look for it

the usb drive

[snow dragon]

[zenith cargo]

I have it here somewhere

[plucky timber]

half of them have some linux ISO

ventoy doesn't always work for whatever reason

I don't think it was ventoy I think it was the iso

[snow dragon]

I repurposed my really old 128 gig patriot nvme from my first build into a ventoy drive

[plucky timber]

something about copying the isos from NTFS to EXT4 corrupting the permissions

[snow dragon]

Wait what

Why not use exfat on the drive

[plucky timber]

no

the drive was fat

I copied the isos over to an ext4 partition

and then to the drive

those isos don't work

[snow dragon]

Oh