building-and-recc-chat

[analog hearth]

Probably wait a few more minutes if you're patient enough lol. Put the battery back in, and then power the PC back on

[fallen sphinx]

Also by unplugged you mean psu off and no cord connected

[analog hearth]

Both

[fallen sphinx]

Ok

[analog hearth]

because why not lol

[fallen sphinx]

I’ll try that once I go upstairs

[analog hearth]

Yeah good luck. I have to run some errands and I'll probably be gone for the rest of the day lol

God Speed solder 🫡

[fallen sphinx]

Thanks for the advice

[topaz rose]

Did you fix it

[fallen sphinx]

I talked to some other people and that has a risk of damaging my board even more beyond warranty

[topaz rose]

What

Removing cmos and putting it back has no risk

[fallen sphinx]

I’m 99.9% sure my board is bad

[fallen sphinx]

Wasn’t what he said fully draining the psu

[topaz rose]

No he littelry said turn it off

[fallen sphinx]

But you drain it or am I misreading it

[topaz rose]

Flip the switch

[fallen sphinx]

Idk man

I’m like 100% sure my mobo is broken in some way

[topaz rose]

Make a bootable usb

Test on other pc

The. Broken one

[fallen sphinx]

USB causes bootloops too

[topaz rose]

Show video

[fallen sphinx]

I did

^

[topaz rose]

Throw out pc

[fallen sphinx]

I’m taking it to microcenter

In… 2 weeks

[topaz rose]

Honestly

Would it hurt putting gpu in old pc

[fallen sphinx]

Old and low wattage psu

[topaz rose]

Hear me out

Old psu on everything but gpu

New psu powers gpu

Easy

[fallen sphinx]

[topaz rose]

It would workkk and you can enjoy your new gpu atleast

[fallen sphinx]

No

[plucky timber]

I wouldn't be so sure yet

If it's a first build there's a high chance it's just something you've missed

[fallen sphinx]

Like what

I’ve done

20+ hours of troubleshooting this weekend

[plucky timber]

That would depend on how you built your pc

[fallen sphinx]

Like… normal

[plucky timber]

You see

The first build never works

What do the debug LEDs say?

What motherboard and cpu do you have?

Also have you tried clearing the cmos as motor said?

[fallen sphinx]

Yes

[fallen sphinx]

Aorus b650 elite ax and 9700x

[fallen sphinx]

Yes

[raven prism]

do yall know a good 60 dollar case

[plucky timber]

But what do they say

Which ones light up?

[plucky timber]

Please give a text description

[fallen sphinx]

Idk what else to say

[snow dragon]

Starts at bottom left and goes to the other lights

[plucky timber]

what is the label of the led(s) that lights up

[snow dragon]

Then repeats

Maybe its the board

[plucky timber]

I'm thinking that too

Could be an outdated bios version

Have you tried updating bios?

[snow dragon]

Because he did ram troubleshooting too

Did you try different ram tho

[plucky timber]

I'd refrain from that first

[snow dragon]

If not that then its probably the board

[plucky timber]

One thing at a time

It'd be pretty strange if he's gone all this time without someone telling him to update the bios

Considering that it's a 9700X on a B650

Board should have flashback

Source: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-10-11#kf

[fallen sphinx]

It’s fully updated

[plucky timber]

Is it?

You've updated it?

[fallen sphinx]

Yes, F33

[fallen sphinx]

Yes

[plucky timber]

What debug leds light up when your pc turns on

[fallen sphinx]

All of them

It’s a pattern

[plucky timber]

Describe the pattern

[fallen sphinx]

Dram, to boot, to vga to cpu, repeat every bootloop

I think

[plucky timber]

What ram troubleshooting steps have you tried?

[topaz rose]

What ram troubleshooting steps have you tried?

[dusky hearth]

What ram troubleshooting steps have you tried?

[barren flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GD3brM monitor any good?

Bro that jawn goin for like 3 bands

[plucky timber]

pardon?

[fallen sphinx]

Each stick in each slot in every way

[plucky timber]

Each singular stick?

[fallen sphinx]

Yes

And 2

[plucky timber]

Oh mein gott

Might want to consider testing with another kit

[fallen sphinx]

Don’t have another

[plucky timber]

Could also be a motherboard issue

[fallen sphinx]

Psu is interesting, 5080 is MAJOR over pay, monitor is overpriced

[fallen sphinx]

I’m 99% sure it is

[plucky timber]

Might want to swap out the board

[fallen sphinx]

I can’t

[plucky timber]

Get a new board, test it

If that's the issue

Return it

[fallen sphinx]

That’s 200$…

I’ll just wait till microcenter

[plucky timber]

I don't know what to tell you

[crimson zinc]

Philly speak

[crimson zinc]

Can probably find retail for 1.9

[plucky timber]

Ah

[crimson zinc]

Seller has hundreds of sale in the last few days

[plucky timber]

That's a 4070S

[crimson zinc]

Ah shiz

[plucky timber]

The 4090 is $4000

actual scam wtf

Why does the 4070S cost $2000

[crimson zinc]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/376085777187

now here’s something that’ll melt your connectors

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226567874140

$2.4

[barren flint]

It’s actually wild bro

I’m boutta just get 4080 super for 1.2 at alibaba or 1.6 at Newegg

[plucky timber]

Wtf

That is a ripoff

Average 2025 scam market

[manic cloak]

2020-2022 gpu market lookalike rn 💔

[fallen sphinx]

Also I got the microcneter bundle so I’d need to return cpu mobo and ram

[topaz rose]

Oof, call and see if they can replace the board

[fallen sphinx]

I’m going up this Saturday thankfully

[topaz rose]

Call ahead of time to see what you need for a replacement

[fallen sphinx]

I mean… idk 100% if it’s broken but I’m pretty damn sure

[grave crescent]

Just ran it and of restarted not sure if it blue screened or just crashed bc I wasn’t watching. This is what the log shows and idk what it means

[stoic island]

haven't been using 0.13, gonna guess it's just logging which cores are being used, P for Processor, CC is probably cycle complete, if it doesn't log you ending it or an error, check event viewer and see if it crashed before it could log the error

or if the crash was unrelated to tm5

[wary tundra]

Would anyone know why my old computer will boot sometimes but then it will refuse to boot. I get stuck on the windows screen but it doesn’t have the loading wheel.

I’ve changed ram, changed drives, cleared drive and redownloaded windows, cleared cmos, changed sata cords.

[tall shard]

should i buy a 6650xt for 240 or save for a 7600 at $280?

[snow dragon]

Get a 6700 xt

[tall shard]

thats 320+

i wont be playing such demanding games

[snow dragon]

What

I see 6700 xts for under 300

I guess it varies

I guess prices went up after I got mine

[tall shard]

im talking tax and shipping included

nothing 300 and under

[mossy lion]

i need some help with my GPU as of today whenever i play anything the usage will jump from 0% to 99% not sure why it is doing that. I am have a AMD Radeon RX 6800

and CPU is AMD Ryzen 9 5900x 12-core Processor

[snow dragon]

Have your frame rates gone down

To me it seems like your graphics card is being properly utilized

[mossy lion]

i did not keep a logged so am i not sure how i would know what it was before today

[snow dragon]

What games you play

[mossy lion]

so rn running warframe and i about 171 fps

[snow dragon]

What settings

And where in the game

[mossy lion]

high

[snow dragon]

Resolution

[mossy lion]

just booted it up

[snow dragon]

Where was this screenshot taken

[mossy lion]

in the options setting i click to show FPS and this just as soon as i log in

[snow dragon]

I mean the screenshot with the frame rate

Or is that in the ship too

[mossy lion]

in the ship

[snow dragon]

Oh turn vsync to the off option

[mossy lion]

so by doing that it did lower the usage

[snow dragon]

Well here is what I get at 1080p with a 6700 xt 1080p high. When I look out the window its like 230 or something

So I see nothing wrong

[snow dragon]

True but there is nothing wrong with the graphics card being pegged

Just means it is being fully utilized

[mossy lion]

ok so i thought this was an issue because if want to watch say a stream or a video in the background there was a lag in the feed

[snow dragon]

And when you go into a grineer mission for example, or solo mission, gpu usage will go down

Playing with other people seems to be more demanding

[snow dragon]

Like there would be a hitch in the youtube video or what

[mossy lion]

staggering same with netflex and it was not like before today

more netflex then anything

[snow dragon]

Did you do any updates

[mossy lion]

i would see a show and i would see and hear the pauses

[mossy lion]

last time my GPU had an up was in March

it was done with the AMD Software

through there i have set to performance

[snow dragon]

Is it happening while you are playing

[mossy lion]

yes

[snow dragon]

Could be happening because the card is at 100% while playing both so there is a hitch here and there

I dont watch while I play very often at all really but I think I do remember a hitch here and there

In the video and not the game

[mossy lion]

any ideas why this could be happening

was not doing it before today

yesterday i did the same as i always do and no issues then

[snow dragon]

Hmm

[mossy lion]

actually its more Netflix i have yet to see a hitch in you tube even when i have a video at 1080p

[snow dragon]

Maybe its netflix then

What res are the netflix shows being watched at

[mossy lion]

so i would have it run on my top monitor and it is a older monitor HDMI connection to the GPU 1920x1080

refresh rate is 75hz

the monitor i game on is 2560x1440 refresh rate of 100hz DP connection

i also have a side monitor that is 1080x1920 that DP connection 100hz as well that i just use it for web search and answering messages since its connected to my phone

temp use i do not see it going over 60

[snow dragon]

Set a frame rate cap

Should go away with a frame rate cap

[mossy lion]

what should i set the side one to?

[snow dragon]

Oh my bad I meant in warframe

[mossy lion]

what should i set it to

[snow dragon]

What options are there

[mossy lion]

currently have it set 180hz

[snow dragon]

Does it show 100

[mossy lion]

nope

this is the monitor i use https://a.co/d/5yMuOhP

[snow dragon]

Oh you said 100 but its 180

Whats the step below 180

[mossy lion]

sorry here it says 100hz refresh rate

[snow dragon]

What the hell

[mossy lion]

sorry for the confusion

[snow dragon]

Maybe the cable yoy are using is not letting you go to 180 hz

[mossy lion]

i was referring to this screen

it is a dp cable

[snow dragon]

Oh oh I see

That screenshot is the secondary monitor

Set a frame rate cap of 165 hz in warframe if you can

It could be that because the gpu is maxed out that some frames are dropped from netflix

So with the cap it would leave some room for other things

[mossy lion]

here is the screenshot of the main monitor

[mossy lion]

you were correct

[snow dragon]

Ok cool

[mossy lion]

set it to 165 and its not at 99% any more

[snow dragon]

Makes sense

[mossy lion]

between 91-95

[snow dragon]

Try playing something now and see

[mossy lion]

yep that did it

but all in all i should not be that concern like you said right

[snow dragon]

Yeah

[mossy lion]

i just noticed it today i do not typically use Netflix when i game

mostly youtube and no issues there

so i shouldn't worry that my GPU might be breaking more like i am using to much of it?

[snow dragon]

So what I think is going on is that the other times you were playing, the gpu wasnt maxed out while the videos were playing so you never had the issue. But when in the ship, which can be gpu demanding, you notice it because there isnt headroom for the card to deliver a stable feed, but putting a frame rate cap gives it headroom to play videos because the cap is not letting it perform to its highest

Because there are scenarios where warframe can be cpu limited too

I remember leveling up in hydron and my gpu was at like 60% usage when I checked

Then i go to another tile set and it is at 100

But in the ship my cpu usage is very low and gpu usage very high

[mossy lion]

so is a general rule of always have vsync off then when i put settings on games i just put the highest and do not mess it after that

[snow dragon]

And if you ever do have any problems you can put a frame rate cap on

So yeah dont do vsync

[mossy lion]

ok thank you for explaining all that

now i understand a bit more

[snow dragon]

[mossy lion]

really means a lot

[snow wasp]

Hello, what is the current best SSD 4TB+ for both M.2 or normal SSD, I need it for mainly installing games and storing some files such as gameplay videos? I need a reliable one that will last long time.

[analog hearth]

Just get something like a Crucial P3

[weary galleon]

There's also this which has a pretty good review from 2023, though techpowerup notes there are multiple versions so it could be the newer ones are cheaped out

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CX3NnQ/kingspec-xg7000-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-xg-7000-4tb

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1492767-kingspec-xg-7000-pro-2tb-pcie-40-nvme-ssd/

[fallen sphinx]

4tb for 200$ is like

Really good

Esp at those speeds

[weary galleon]

Issue is it could be a switcheroo with worse components. I'd probably find a newer review before buying.

Allegedly uses the same components as an mp44

[obsidian wigeon]

Hm

I still wouldn't trust it

[stoic island]

Until they are found to be using a different controller or different nand, it's fine

[covert vapor]

There is one XG7000 entry saying QLC and a different controller

The XG7000 Pro entry also says a different layer count for the TLC but that could be because the pro entry is older than the others

[weary galleon]

This would personally make me pass tbh, thanks for pointing that out. Probably a much cheaper model

[obsidian wigeon]

im mildly concerned about the firmware quality imho

when it comes to cheap brands

cuz nand is nand, but firmware matters

[snow dragon]

Damn thats something nobody talks about

[obsidian wigeon]

we've seen samsung mess it up enough times

[weary galleon]

Right but that LTT forum post used one and was fairly detailed in their testing, not just theoreticals. However if they tested the high quality tlc version the cheap qlc one could be much worse

[obsidian wigeon]

okay, that's a bit assuring

[weary galleon]

My Samsung OEM pm981 wants to burn up and die

[obsidian wigeon]

tho as long as you use it for storage or games

it shouldn't be too different

[snow dragon]

My 970 evo plus goes hard

[obsidian wigeon]

a cheap nvme ssd is always faster than sata

a bit too broadly generalized but hey

[covert vapor]

To be fair, the entry for QLC says it is only a variant of the 4tb

[obsidian wigeon]

hmm

[covert vapor]

https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/kingspec-xg7000-4-tb.d2337

[obsidian wigeon]

avoid 4tb ig

i'd assume it's to do with density reasons

[weary galleon]

The guy wanted a 4tb drive tho

[obsidian wigeon]

and cost

ah, i see

[weary galleon]

If it was 2tb I'd probably have just reccomended a cras c910 or mp44whatever

[snow dragon]

mp44l

that drive seems to be pretty good

[weary galleon]

I always forget Q vs L

[obsidian wigeon]

i have mp33 myself

[stoic island]

the only known map issues have been fixed

[obsidian wigeon]

plenty good for gaymez

[stoic island]

there were some map + 232l ymtc issues but fixed through firmware updates

[covert vapor]

It seems the cheaper brands sometime sneak QLC into 4tb models

[obsidian wigeon]

that's perfect

[snow dragon]

Im still on pcie 3 nvme

[snow dragon]

Yeah

[stoic island]

anyways since there's a known qlc 4tb version, don't get it

[snow dragon]

It hink it was the mp44 that does qlc on the 4tb

[weary galleon]

Probably why it's the cheapest 4tb lol

[stoic island]

Team clearly marks it as mp44q

separate from the mp44

no known qlc mp44

[snow dragon]

Oh

So its the q

[obsidian wigeon]

that's nice ngl

makes it easy to distinguish

[stoic island]

team naming is relatively decent for now

q for qlc

l for lite

[weary galleon]

Ah

So 44l is a downgraded 44, but still uses tlc

[stoic island]

and then s for small for the 2230 stuff

ye worse controller worse nand and lower rated speed

[sterile path]

hey i just made this build the cpu, mobo and ram come in a bundle and the currency is cad$ so does anyone have feedback on it and how i could make a better computer for cheaper? https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/x7PKMC

[stoic island]

try to see if that bundle comes with other ram kits lol

[weary galleon]

That bundle doesn't seem great

$500 for 9600x, mobo and vengeance ram

[stoic island]

360 usd isn't bad considering microcenter doesn't exist in canada

[sterile path]

theres also this one, the ram is better

[stoic island]

definitely

[weary galleon]

Could do ~$130 7500F, $150 mobo, $80 ram for under $400

[stoic island]

6000c30 is better than 6000c36

and you won't be stuck with corsair and locked pmic

[weary galleon]

Ohhhh wait that's cad not usd

[sterile path]

ye so like 360usd

[weary galleon]

Ah ok lol that's much more reasonable

[sterile path]

and according to tom's hardware pretty hard to beat the 9600X in value to performance

[weary galleon]

7500F is great. But with that bundle the 9600x seems pretty good

[stoic island]

I mean Intel 13th gen is getting pretty cheap now, and there's stuff you can get on aliexpress for pretty good value, and usually 7600x bundles are better priced than 9600x bundles

it's good but there can be better value depending on the market

anyways canadian GPU prices still looks pretty bad, 7800xt isn't optimal but doesn't look like you have a much better option anywhere else, backordered 5070 is theorhetically fine but probably too much work and too much added headaches until Nvidia fixes the current driver issues, 9070s are quite overpriced

[delicate rivet]

Is it normal to have 2?

Something has to be wrong with my gpu and I have no clue what

Just got this new pc and its been having issues since bootup

[stoic island]

what CPU do you have

[delicate rivet]

7700

[stoic island]

that's the iGPU being listed

[delicate rivet]

so its fine

[stoic island]

like this except AMD doesn't really name their iGPUs like Intel does

yea

[delicate rivet]

Idk what else to do with this pc

its been the biggest headache ever

Its either the blurry Fortnite or the screen effects

[stoic island]

blurry fortnite is 95% game settings and/or display settings in general

[snow dragon]

Thats probably taa

It becomes normal after you stop moving

Like a half second

[stoic island]

and the other screen effects I still don't really see it, unless it's the artifact looking thing that makes me think it's your display cable

[delicate rivet]

ive switched it and its the same thing pretty much

[stoic island]

iirc turning off tsr and other upscaling methods and changing 3d resolution did help a lot

oh and prob want to try vsync and/or gsync

[stoic island]

also the easiest way to figure out if it's software or hardware would be to just record in-game footage with any capture software, if the recording looks fine, it's monitor settings, if recording looks wrong, it's in-game settings

[stoic island]

would swap display cables for that

[delicate rivet]

yeah I did that yesterday, still doing it just not as bad

[stoic island]

may be monitor issue with the port then

anyways you can record with instant replay on adrenaline, once you enable desktop capture and window capture, go in-game, do something that causes artifacts and fortnite looking weird, record it, and check the recording and see if it looks weird on the recording or not, can go frame by frame there to see if what the game is giving you looks right or not

[delicate rivet]

what should I do abt the fortnite settings

[stoic island]

do whatever you have right now or what looked best so far

what we don't want on in general:
motion blur, TSR, FSR, DLSS, anything super resolution, anything upscaling, anything 3d resolution below 100%, anything resolution below monitor resolution, TAA, anything frame generation

[delicate rivet]

are there some optimal settings I could put on?

LIke I just dont understand why this is happening to my pc

It should be all new

[stoic island]

optimising performance is going to be separate from testing this

[stoic island]

blame game developers being lazy

[delicate rivet]

Is it because its too nice??

[stoic island]

every game now wants to have upscaling and framgen so they don't have to do optimization

so that it looks 'good enough' when you can't get that performance natively

[delicate rivet]

should I look up 9070XT settings then?

[stoic island]

what

[delicate rivet]

for fortnite

[stoic island]

just do medium settings, disable anything upscaling or taa or whatever and go from there

the point right now is not to get optimized settings yet, you can do that later once the game looks good

[stoic island]

you can look around r/f TAA to see some of the stuff that happens with TAA and some with upscaling and how that affects image quality

would link it but server filter

[stoic island]

anyways first record gameplay and check the recording, that way you can isolate if it's something to do with the monitor or actually just game settings, go from there and either mess with monitor or game settings

those are still the most likely possibilities

[delicate rivet]

It looks fine right now ish

playable

I dont inderstand why i couldnt look up best fortnite 9070 xt settings

shouldnt it be the same??

[stoic island]

Best is gonna be subjective and you really shouldn't be looking at what other people likes without figuring out what you don't like first

like for example framgen plus turning down 3d resolution is going to get you the best fps possible but it looks terrible

You can look at and try other people's settings but don't be surprised if something in their settings makes it look bad in your opinion, and just be prepared to change that setting, after you figure out what you don't like

[delicate rivet]

I just dont want it fuzzy anymore

[plucky timber]

Why are you trying to hyper optimise for a specific gpu

[weary galleon]

We've already told him how to make it not blurry but I guess reading through each Fortnite option is too much

[broken barn]

anybody got a good pc link for gaming nearly 900 bucks

nothing more

[weary galleon]

This with a used gpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TPWB9C

cpu link
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mO24moL

Can swap case if you prefer a diff aesthetic

$330ish for gpu probably means a 6700xt

If you can stretch budget for a $400-450 gpu you might be able to snag a 3080/6800xt/7800xt

[dusky hearth]

Fuzzy? Sounds like you have like fsr performance enabled

[weary galleon]

We've already told him to turn of any TAA, TSR, DLSS, XESS, FSR, and set resolution to 100%

[dusky hearth]

[snow dragon]

9600x for 180 or 9700x for 245

hmm

Boy what the hell boy

[obsidian wigeon]

what the hell

430 for a 7600xt

[snow dragon]

Who made that listing

[obsidian wigeon]

cuz

[snow dragon]

Get another employee to fix this please

[obsidian wigeon]

demand for basically ANY gpu

[naive latch]

With a 6700xt should I go 1440p or a 1080p monitor

[fallen sphinx]

What games do you play

[naive latch]

Tarkov rust elden ring cs2 and a lot of other stuff

Those are the main games though

[fallen sphinx]

So would you say mostly competitive games

[naive latch]

Yeah

[fallen sphinx]

What’s your budget for a monitor

[fallen sphinx]

?

[naive latch]

Around 130

[fallen sphinx]

Oh

1080p

[naive latch]

Seen the acer nitro 1440p for around that didn’t know if I should get that or a 1080p though

[crimson zinc]

You want a monitor with a high refresh rate for competitive games

Anything north of 144hz

[naive latch]

Okay thank you

[upper ore]

Is upgrading to 4000mhz even worth it when I have 3600 ram?

[crimson zinc]

Most people won’t notice the difference.

[snow dragon]

It seems there isn’t much of a difference between cl30 and 36 but the guys showing the difference did not show 0.1% lows

[rocky gull]

This is my build would having the 5800XT make a significant improvement than the one I currently have ?

[tawny violet]

No, not really

Besides a 5700X3D would probably be cheaper

And provide a bigger uplift (assuming you also upgrade the GPU/

[rocky gull]

@tawny violet I was told it would if I wanted to game & stream so i figured I'd ask you guys first

Yeah i plan on upgrading my gpu today as well just dont know what yet

[tawny violet]

The 5700X3D would be a significantly better pick for you

The 5800XT is just a slightly binned 5800X

The 5700X3D has 3d Vcache which is godlike for gaming

[rocky gull]

What would be a better uplift to go with for GPU?

[snow dragon]

Yeah 5700x3d is still able to do quite a bit more multi core compared to the 5600x despite the lower clocks

Would be better overall

[snow dragon]

What monitor you got rn

[rocky gull]

I think he was saying it because of the price

[snow dragon]

Damn thats real cheap

X3d is like 250 right

[rocky gull]

240Htz

[snow dragon]

240hz what tho

[rocky gull]

I know i looked and i was like... 😭😭😭

[snow dragon]

1080p?

[rocky gull]

Yeah sorry!

[snow dragon]

Honestly 6700 is good then

In my opinion

[rocky gull]

To stream and game ?

[snow dragon]

I got a 6700xt and it is at that 200hz area, until I go 1440p and the frame rates go down

[rocky gull]

I always drop frames when i try to stream and game at the same time

[snow dragon]

What are you using to stream tho

Cpu or gpu

[rocky gull]

Sometimes my game will crash

GPU

[snow dragon]

You aren’t giving enough headroom for your graphics card to do both gaming and streaming properly

So you need to set a frame rate cap

[rocky gull]

How do i go about that

[snow dragon]

It is in the game settings but you have to know what frame rates you typically get so you can lower it

So lets say you get 170 fps

[rocky gull]

Oh yeah that I already do

And I'll even go as low as 120

[snow dragon]

Damn son

[rocky gull]

Im saying 😭

[snow dragon]

Are your stream settings too demanding?

[rocky gull]

Its DeadbyDaylight so i dont really like to think so lol

[snow dragon]

My bad I meant stream settings

[rocky gull]

Oh i misread

[snow dragon]

Bit rate, encoder quality etc

[rocky gull]

Possibly

But my stream comes out blurry if i tweak it down

Which i understand that would be more on the internet speed

[snow dragon]

Ooo I didn’t account for that

What upload you got rn

[rocky gull]

40 and thats all my internet provider offers with their top speeds☹️

[snow dragon]

Have you ever checked task manager while streaming to see if you are hitting that limit

[rocky gull]

I always have task manage up when i do and my GPU will always be 100% and CPU sometimes gets up there as well

[snow dragon]

Damn if the cpu is getting pegged then maybe that could be what it is

[rocky gull]

So would you say this wouldn't be a bad option?

[snow dragon]

Imo internet shouldn’t be a problem because streams aren’t too high of a bit rate

[snow dragon]

I know its a banger deal but I still think you should consider the x3d

How much more is it

[rocky gull]

What about for GPU with the specs that I have?

[snow dragon]

Like 100 right

[rocky gull]

Yeah 100 more

[snow dragon]

Well how much are you willing to spend? In my opinion I think its ok for what you have

[rocky gull]

1500

[snow dragon]

Well you can resell the 5600x and then spend roughly the same amount as the 5800xt ya feel me

Oh damn I thought you were tryna get something for as cheap as possible

1500 is a whole pc

[rocky gull]

Yeah i want to get a 50 series or 9070 XT

[snow dragon]

Stock for those kinda brutal rn

[rocky gull]

Otherwise i might buy this 4070 super that my cousin has

[snow dragon]

I can make a list for you in a bit

[rocky gull]

Hes checking the dimensions for me if it'll fit in my case

[snow dragon]

Maybe someone else might beat me to it

[weary galleon]

this could be a play if he'l sell it to you for a reasonable price

[rocky gull]

Okay

[weary galleon]

with $1500 I'd probably go for a new am5 build rather than upgrading your am4 build

[rocky gull]

So getting a new mobo and get ddr5?

[weary galleon]

yeah

1500 usd right?

[rocky gull]

Whats a solid am5 build

[weary galleon]

probably something like this, plus whatever (likely used) gpu you end up finding
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HLby9C

might be able to get a 7700 for cheaper via aliexpress, used, or a bundle somewhere

[snow dragon]

You can find a 9700x for $245 on ali

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807897918683.html?

Nutty link

[weary galleon]

everything after the ? can go

[snow dragon]

In games it is not much faster, but it is in other workloads

So encoding for example

Oh fr

Oh wow

Yeah that goes hard

[upper ore]

@obsidian wigeon idk if you remember me but i got new ram because my pc wasn't posting. It's not posting still 😵‍💫

Corrupt windows file or maybe Nvidia or something?

This was my old post if anyone else can help. Idk if foxy is around: So i am completely stuck and don't know what to do anymore. So pretty much I gave my girlfriend my old pc to play her games on while I do my own thing. I had it working and she was playing on it. On Monday she was playing on it on and off all day. Probably turning it on and off everytime she would stop playing it. She called me the first time saying that windows was saying her pin was wrong when it was exactly right to login in. So she changed it and got in and started playing it. Then a few hours later she turned it off again to take a nap. After the nap she tried to get back on and it wouldn't even post and the keyboard and mouse wouldn't turn on. I reset the cmos and I got it to post into the bios. But right after the bios goes away it goes black again.

Could it be a cpu problem? 🤔

[weary galleon]

if there aren't any important files on it I'd probably just wipe and do a fresh windows install

[upper ore]

Is that my only option? Because idk what all i have on here still.

[weary galleon]

maybe a windows repair via usb or something? not sure

the combination of the pin issue and it not going past bios just makes me think windows is cooked

[snow dragon]

What you can do is take the drive out and put it in an enclosure to pull out whatever is on there

[upper ore]

Do you also think it's windows?

I just thought about it. And I don't think i have anything I need on it. I haven't used it for over a year now.

I might just wipe it

[snow dragon]

Ok

If it does not work let us know

[upper ore]

It's just crazy that the keyboard or mouse isn't lighting up either. Would windows be causing that aswell?

[snow dragon]

That is certainly strange

So were you able to go into bios more than once after that

If you can repeatedly go into bios then it might be windows

[upper ore]

I have to reset cmos to get into bios. Otherwise it won't post

[snow dragon]

So you have to do that every time to go into bios

It might not be windows then if that is the case

[upper ore]

Yes pretty much

I'm so stumped and completely out of my depth rn. Lol 😅😮‍💨

[upper ore]

Would one of my ssd be bad?

[snow dragon]

I dont think so because you would not have to reset cmos all the time

If you had a bricked drive it would probably not boot into windows or if it would it would be crashing constantly or in read only mode

Try this

[upper ore]

I don't think it's the cpu or motherboard because it wouldn't turn on at all if they were bad.

[snow dragon]

Reset the cmos again but go into the ram settings and make sure that you are running at base speeds

[snow dragon]

Depends. It could turn on but wont do anything

Depends on what is broken

[snow dragon]

Show memory speed option

[snow dragon]

What is the speed of the kit

[upper ore]

3600

[snow dragon]

Ok try that

[upper ore]

Do I need to do anything else?

[snow dragon]

Lets just try that for now

[upper ore]

Alright

[upper ore]

Save changes and reset?

[snow dragon]

Acutally hold on

Go to boot

[rocky gull]

Brand new 4090 Super for 650? 👀

Good deal or v

[snow dragon]

I guess that 120 drive is the windows drive

[upper ore]

Yup

I've had it for a long time

[snow dragon]

Show csm and secure boot

I mean that stuff is probably on already but just to be sure

[snow dragon]

Alr boot and see what happens

[upper ore]

Where did you see secure boot?

[snow dragon]

It was below csm

But I assume its on already

Since thats the default setting anyway

[upper ore]

Why is the OS type saying other? Not windows?

[upper ore]

It looks like i can choose it

[snow dragon]

Interesting

Choose that and see

[upper ore]

Boot now? Lol

[snow dragon]

Yea

[upper ore]

It looks like other OS disables secure boot if I'm reading it right.

Going for it

That's a nope

[snow dragon]

Nutty

[snow dragon]

Ok so

What if you reset cmos and just try to boot without going to bios

[upper ore]

What now?

[snow dragon]

Yeah try that

[upper ore]

Pressed F1 and it took me right back to here

[snow dragon]

So it still does it

Really weird how default settings dont work

Ok what if you try putting the ram in different slots

[upper ore]

What if i do this?

[snow dragon]

Just does a reset

But thats what reseating cmos does

[upper ore]

No way!

I mightve gotten it

If i did the discord settings and went straight into it

Like if I didn't save the settings

[upper ore]

Weird I wonder what setting was messing things up.

[snow dragon]

Thats real odd

Go into task manager and see what ram speeds you are at

[upper ore]

Haven't seen this post before. Are they forcing me to go to windows 11 now?

[snow dragon]

Nah just do remind me later

Then another will come up and pick skip for now

[upper ore]

2400 lmao

[snow dragon]

Ok so I guess the ram speed is what is triggering it

You said you got new ram

Are both kits 3600

[upper ore]

Yes

[snow dragon]

Ok well now that you are in windows

Download the new bios update for your board

[upper ore]

Both say 3600

[upper ore]

I'm scared I'm gonna mess things up. So I need to have a buddy hold my hand now ig. Lol

Yes I've done this before but not taking risks lol

[rocky gull]

Anyone know if ASUS 4070 super for $650 is a good deal?

USD $$

[upper ore]

Uh actually I don't remember this part at all. Lmao

[upper ore]

Well it looks like i haven't updated my bios since 2022 😅😂

[upper ore]

Welp it keeps saying this and idk why... so I'm gonna go to bed now.

[snow dragon]

Sorry I was gone

You put that asus b450 file on a fat32 drive and update it

Maybe it didn’t flash because of the drive format

[snow dragon]

Be like that sometimes

Mine is old too

Like year and a half

Bot removed it too fast I couldn’t read it

[upper ore]

I hate it with a passion!

Lol

Well I'm going to bed so I'll have to figure out the drive situation the next time I'm free.

I don't remember what I said but it was probably something like that

[snow dragon]

Nah thats pretty brutal

[snow dragon]

All good

[grave crescent]

Update on the rig that loves crashing as much as I love Dr Pepper. I finally had some time so I updated bios to the latest from msi for the x670p WiFi and ran some Apex Legends. It was fine for a bit but I changed the option for Vsync from triple buffered to off and after I applied it my pc froze and crashed with a millisecond flash of a blue screen 2 seconds later, then I got a solid white VGA light on with no boot. Any ideas? Is it my gpu crashing and blue screening my pc?

I did buy the gpu used supposed to be excellent condition from a supposedly trustworthy seller but still i think its a reference model of something from power color so its got to be old

[grave crescent]

PowerColor Rx 6700xt reference gpu

All I did was right click on my background 😭

[versed current]

Can someone help me with a 400$ pc build

[weary galleon]

For gaming?

[versed current]

Yea

1080p 165hz

[weary galleon]

Your best bet will likely be a used office PC that can fit a gpu

[versed current]

That’s what I thought

[weary galleon]

Or maybe just a used build off of fb marketplace or craigslist

Issue with the office PC route is that you're often limited to a gpu that doesn't need a pcie plug

[delicate rivet]

Is this a monitor issue or pc issue?

[stoic island]

no more rgb/fan control software for a while lmao
https://youtu.be/H_O5JtBqODA

[stoic island]

record it and see what's on the footage

if it shows up on the footage, software, if not, hardware

either way most likely monitor

[delicate rivet]

Yeah it doesnt show up

SO do I need to get a new monitor now :/

[stoic island]

I'd borrow a different monitor and cable from someone to test with

or get something you can easily return, or bring the PC to someone with another working monitor and test it there

[fickle bolt]

i recognize the comic in th background of the thumbnail

[stoic island]

classic xkcd

[fickle bolt]

yeaa

dude i love xkcd

i have most of his books

[manic cloak]

Do I invest?

[snow dragon]

Did you try rma your i5

[manic cloak]

I did get the RMA started, no message back though

[snow dragon]

How long has it been

[manic cloak]

4 days sadly

I might just do another RMA

[snow dragon]

Damn bruh they aired yo ass

[manic cloak]

Ikr 😭

[snow dragon]

What I was gonna say was they would swap it out for you and then you can sell the new cpu

Then swap over

[manic cloak]

Tbh

I might just sell the whole thing

Board, cpu and ram

[snow dragon]

Are you on ddr5

[manic cloak]

Ddr4 😭

[snow dragon]

Ah

[manic cloak]

That’s kinda why I want to switch

[snow dragon]

Same situation as me

[manic cloak]

If I invest into ddr5 on intel

Might aswell buy am5

[snow dragon]

Im not on intel but am4

Gotta sell all 3 when I upgrade

[manic cloak]

Mhm

What I could do is sell my gpu too

And try getting a card at microcenter

[snow dragon]

7800 xt is a good card, good enough to wait for prices to drop to upgrade later

Probably 9070 in the future

[manic cloak]

Well I’d like to sell it now cause people are always trying to find a used card at a good price, I could sell it for what I got basically

[snow dragon]

But the new card would cost more

Unless you have stock in micro center

[manic cloak]

My microcenter has a 700$ 9070xt

19 in stock, as rock white

[snow dragon]

Goes hard

Yeah you have the smarter play then

Mine is oos

[manic cloak]

This deadass sounds like a scam but I could literally ship you one

I work at UPS lmao

[snow dragon]

Nahh I don’t have the budget for it

I appreciate it

It is great value but I don’t play the newest games. I don’t really need it

Even a 9060 xt would be very fast for me

[manic cloak]

😭

They have a 7900xt for 600$ if I buy a CPU but

It’s out of stock, 100$ more for something that’s close to 2x performance

my microcenter has the b650 gaming X AX V2 for 81$ open box, there’s like 8 of them that are like that saying “incomplete”. I could buy a used 7800x3d for 350$, and buy 6000 cl36 for 60$, totaling to 497.75 after tax, or I just buy all brand new for 541.86

[steel gulch]

Is anyone willing to review my build list and tell me if the parts are compatible and what else I will need with it?

[plucky timber]

yes

please post parts list

[steel gulch]

Do you want a picture or the link?

[plucky timber]

please post the link

that would be much easier to work with

[steel gulch]

https://newegg.io/305db97

[plucky timber]

that is uhh

tell you what

what's your budget

and what are you going to use the pc for

and I'll whip up a new list for you

[steel gulch]

Just general use. I will be using it for normal people stuff, home automation, security, as well as possibly some entry level gaming. I’m not looking to go crazy at all. Just need a pc that is decent

[plucky timber]

what is the budget?

and what would "entry level gaming" involve

[steel gulch]

Budget less than 1000 would be great but 1200-1500 is doable.
I really wouldn’t be gaming on it any time soon so gaming isn’t really needed. I could always build another if I want to do that.

[plucky timber]

ok that makes things a lot easier

the current market for graphics card is...

very stupid

cards that used to be $300 go for $500-600

[steel gulch]

Wow

[plucky timber]

what would the normal workload be like?

[steel gulch]

Normal would be just using it to work along with homepass and such. My 3d printer. And I may use it to go back to school if I decide to go back to further my degree

[plucky timber]

may I suggest a laptop?

[steel gulch]

I have one

I would use this for streaming as well

[plucky timber]

what will you be streaming?

[steel gulch]

With like Emby. Some stuff would be in 4k

[plucky timber]

hmm

so an intel cpu would be a good idea

[steel gulch]

I was looking at 12th gen i7’s

[plucky timber]

so it's more of a home server kinda machine?

[steel gulch]

Exactly

[plucky timber]

well

the thing is

a 13600KF would have more cores

oh wait we don't want KF

[steel gulch]

Okay

[plucky timber]

14600K at $212 has 14 cores around the same price as a 12th gen i7

so if you're say

running a proxmox server on it

you'll have plenty of cores to run vms

[steel gulch]

Okay

[plucky timber]

how many 3.5" drive bays would you prefer?

[steel gulch]

2 or 3 would do the trick but would it be better to go with 2.5 for the SSD’s?

You are the smart one here lol just a thought

[plucky timber]

how many SSDs are you going to have?

I'd go with NVMe ssds

[steel gulch]

I would start with just one but I’ll probably end up with 2

[plucky timber]

I'll select a case with two 3.5" drive bays

the motherboard has enough slots for 3 NVMe ssds

[steel gulch]

Okay

[plucky timber]

possibly more

and that would be

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YbYq9C

$658.57

it's actually practically identical to your first list

but half the price

[steel gulch]

Oh dang that’s much better lol

[plucky timber]

plus you get more cores

oh yeah there's no gpu

I've also delibrately selected an intel cpu with an integrated graphics

since Intel's QSV is very efficient at encoding/decoding video

great for streaming

[steel gulch]

Okay, so no gpu needed?

[plucky timber]

unless you want to game on it

[steel gulch]

Nope that’s good for me.

[plucky timber]

would you be running the pc 24/7 actually

I might swap out the power supply if that's the case

[steel gulch]

Yes it could be on for long periods of time

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CjMrLc

here you go

[steel gulch]

You’re the best. Now what extra stuff will I need?

[plucky timber]

that should be all

you don't need to pay for windows

[steel gulch]

No wires or thermal paste or anything? That would do it all

[plucky timber]

the cooler should come with pre-applied thermal paste

if not, a tube

[steel gulch]

Okay

[plucky timber]

we could make the build smaller if you'd like

[steel gulch]

Nope I’m cool with that. That’s a great price and it sounds like it would work well

[plucky timber]

yeah

good choice

[steel gulch]

All the wires come with?

[plucky timber]

since you get to install more SSDs with that Z790 motherboard

[plucky timber]

yes

[steel gulch]

Okay cool. How do I get around paying for windows?

[plucky timber]

well that's the best part

you don't have to do anything

you just download the ISO from the official website

install windows as normal

and just not activate it

you'll have a watermark in the corner but there are ways to get rid of it

[steel gulch]

Okay awesome. I pm’d you. I will let you know how the build goes. I really appreciate the help

[plucky timber]

oh ok

Good luck with your pc 👍

[steel gulch]

Thank you

[steel fox]

Hey quick question: should the assassin spirit 120 evo be enough cooling for a ryzen 9 7950x3D? Looking for a second and third opinion because i'm getting mixed feedback.

[fickle bolt]

Get aio

[steel fox]

Its too late i just need to know how important itll be to upgrade

[lean thistle]

yo

i need some help

i have 5 thermalright c12 fans that use up about 0.2 amps per fan. i have a gigabyte x ax mobo and was wondering i require a argb hub as i dont wanna overload the headers

[lean thistle]

the motherboard has teo argb headers

[night aspen]

I have been trying my hardest to do research for the perfect pc and got great recommendations from here, but a couple people recommended this build to me, what do you guys think?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rj2NDj

(Previous two builds I had saved)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PF8wpK (Should be first build concept)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MJffGJ (Should be second build concept)

[stoic island]

Need to know which exact mobo, there's many x ax models, but generally it's 1a per header, so if you have 2 headers you'll be fine

[versed current]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sFY7db

How can I make this 350$?

I’m building it for a friend and the eh have a tiny budget

[stoic island]

Looking at the first list, it's generally fine, a good number of places where you can save money without losing much, like north xl is a good but very expensive case, if you like the looks and are willing to pay, it's fine. You can save ~$50 on the mobo without losing much, you can get a 850w core reactor ii and save $40 there, etc

[stoic island]

Go used lol

[versed current]

They want a new part custom build 🥲

Mistype

[stoic island]

AliExpress maybe

[versed current]

Idk

U should look at the list

And see if there’s anything I can get for cheaper

[stoic island]

Having a budget in that range makes anything new not very good value lol

Used or AliExpress parts is gonna be how you get good value

[versed current]

Yea

[stoic island]

One option might be just going iGPU only

[versed current]

Like cloud gaming?

[stoic island]

Current gen AMD igpus are decent enough for light games

And then you can use cloud gaming for anything intensive

[versed current]

The most intensive game they want to do is cod

[night aspen]

please take your time on responding since you are also talking with someone else and I am in no rush, but as long as it is within budget i am fine with it, so other then savings here and there you think it looks good?

[stoic island]

Cod ain't gonna work well on iGPU so I'd try to get something used local if you could, maybe look around for something refurb

[versed current]

I live in the middle of no where

[stoic island]

A lot of part selection is going to come down to what offers better value for the price, but in general just be very careful with making sure you get a GPU at a reasonable price

[versed current]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VVGRRV

[lean thistle]

shoot i forgot to mention i have a 3 fan argb aio

also thermalright

[versed current]

Anything I can make cheaper

I’m ok giving up performance

[hollow gulch]

The 580 isn't even driver supported anymore

[stoic island]

9070xt at MSRP ($600) is incredible value, but the only real ones in stock online are gonna be ~$900 and not worth it

[versed current]

Does it work ?

[hollow gulch]

The ryzen 5 3600 would be a better pick

[lean thistle]

aqua elite v4b

v4

[versed current]

Alr

[night aspen]

I have been told that as well, thank you. One final thing, I was told that this build is about same power (giving up like 10% cpu power), but a couple hundred cheaper, could you recommend it over the previous one I gave?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MCDNDj (New cheaper list)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rj2NDj (Previous list you looked at)

[versed current]

It’s not zen3 and it’s only 1$ less

[hollow gulch]

It will work but with any newer games you will likely have some bugs/performance issues, just what happens with these really old gpus now. So I'd recommend getting a better gpu, RX 6600 would be a good cheap option

[hollow gulch]

3600 has gen4 pcie and 16mb more cache

[versed current]

Budget is meant to be 350$ and it’s for older games

[versed current]

So it’s better?

[hollow gulch]

The 5500 is the one of the worst zen3 chips, on average 3600 beats it

[stoic island]

Assuming bundled deal, it's just a matter of what bundles are available at any time, there's some 9800x3d bundles out there too, look around at microcenter if you live near one

[night aspen]

Yeah thats what they recommended, I live about 2 hours away from one but if the deals are seriously worth it I would be willing to drive that far

[weary galleon]

the 5500 has like 1/2 the l3 cache which really hurts it. The 3600 is better

[hollow gulch]

And no gen4 for drives and gpus

5500 only good for memory OC since it's just a cut down 5600G

Monolithic

[stoic island]

On average 5500 is still better, it's a whole step below anything Zen 3 and it loses to 3600 in some benches, but it still better on average

[weary galleon]

$140 rx580 is also not good at all. I'd grab a 5700xt for $100-120

[hollow gulch]

No mesh shader just get rx 6600

[stoic island]

2hrs isn't terrible, look around for bundles available at your specific store with 7800x3d/9800x3d

[weary galleon]

those are more expensive and this dude is trying to spend $350

[night aspen]

yeah alright

thanks a bunch

[stoic island]

If there's no 9800x3d bundles and there are good 7800x3d bundles, then yea going 7800x3d makes more sense

[hollow gulch]

$350 is console money

[stoic island]

But if there's 9800x3d bundles within like $100-150 of 7800x3d bundles, it's more of a toss up of what you want

[hollow gulch]

Just save at least $500 can easily get a console killer that is worth it for that much

[versed current]

https://www.newegg.com/kingspec-512gb/p/0D9-000D-00149?item=9SIB1V8HP68399&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googlemkp-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googlemkp-mobile-_-pla-kingspec+official+store-_-solid+state+disk-_-9SIB1V8HP68399&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid+shopping&utm_campaign=knc-googlemkp-mobile-_-pla-kingspec+official+store-_-solid+state+disk-_-9SIB1V8HP68399&id0=Google&id1=21649961656&id2=166862305579&id3=&id4=&id5=pla-1902774322789&id6=&id7=1024543&id8=&id9=g&id10=m&id11=&id12=CjwKCAjw8IfABhBXEiwAxRHlsCgg0vJiSUwvvOnP55bP6rMdCw9y7_QnR2yaTvjm0RFKYVgs3VT7URoCIJ8QAvD_BwE&id13=Y&id14=Y&id15=&id16=711670910114&id17=&id18=&id19=&id20=&id21=pla&id22=454026778&id23=online&id24=9SIB1V8HP68399&id25=US&id26=1902774322789&id27=&id28=&id29=&id30=2430147975971201192&id31=en&id32=&id33=DA&id34=US&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD-YhmO20Z6WK3q6S4Yk5ggY-b1gV&gclid=CjwKCAjw8IfABhBXEiwAxRHlsCgg0vJiSUwvvOnP55bP6rMdCw9y7_QnR2yaTvjm0RFKYVgs3VT7URoCIJ8QAvD_BwE

[fallen sphinx]

7800x3d bundle is 500$ rn 👀

[versed current]

Should I make this the dotage

Storage

Or is it not compatible

[stoic island]

Trying to play cod and only having 500gb of storage....? I don't think that's going to end well

[versed current]

Idc lol

They said mabye cod

I just need it to be below 375$

[fallen sphinx]

9800x3d bundle is 650-700 rn, not worth it imo

[stoic island]

I'm just gonna leave it up to them and what bundles they have available to them at their local microcenter

[versed current]

How do I add that drive to the build

It’s not coming up when I look it up

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9sVTDj can someone add a motherboard and ssd that keeps the price under 375?

A little above is fine

U can also change the case or any other parts to save

[snow dragon]

Yup at best it is a 3600

Strange addition really

[weary galleon]

I think this is the absolute lowest you can really go. You're far better off buying used
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bN2NDj

[snow dragon]

Below 375 def gotta go used

[versed current]

Ok I’ll look into used then

[fallen sphinx]

What game are you trying to play

[versed current]

It’s for a friend and it’s mainly Minecraft Fortnite rocket league

And they said cod but that’s not doable in this budget

[fallen sphinx]

I’m ngl you might just wanna go console

It’s gonna be much much better

[weary galleon]

cod is totally doable if you buy used

or a console yeah

[versed current]

They have one so I’m not sure why they want pc

Other than to do Minecraft Java

[fallen sphinx]

I’d ask

Cause like…

[versed current]

I will tmmr

[fallen sphinx]

I really wouldn’t get a pc at that low of a budget

It’s possible yeah, just will be worse than console

[plucky timber]

in 2024 sure

not in 2025

the market is so screwed you can't get cheap builds like that

[fallen sphinx]

Yeah

[weary galleon]

I dunno if lowend used market is really that bad tho'

[versed current]

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-002D-00071?item=9SIAZBDJN64848&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googlemkp-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googlemkp-mobile-_-pla-mxz+pc-_-gaming+desktop+pcs-_-9SIAZBDJN64848&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid+shopping&utm_campaign=knc-googlemkp-mobile-_-pla-mxz+pc-_-gaming+desktop+pcs-_-9SIAZBDJN64848&id0=Google&id1=21763684727&id2=168367255853&id3=&id4=&id5=pla-2100330206540&id6=&id7=1027744&id8=&id9=g&id10=m&id11=&id12=CjwKCAjw8IfABhBXEiwAxRHlsMoZVlOH-G1x3GO6xRYTTvVwJl5uOEt-mgvHrZd4kHcOHh3lOvPfTxoCuwcQAvD_BwE&id13=Y&id14=Y&id15=&id16=716032170617&id17=&id18=&id19=&id20=&id21=pla&id22=410252212&id23=online&id24=9SIAZBDJN64848&id25=US&id26=2100330206540&id27=&id28=&id29=&id30=8036485481429339504&id31=en&id32=&id33=&id34=&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD-YhmN0w1il0WL0WXFghM9_uXAWa&gclid=CjwKCAjw8IfABhBXEiwAxRHlsMoZVlOH-G1x3GO6xRYTTvVwJl5uOEt-mgvHrZd4kHcOHh3lOvPfTxoCuwcQAvD_BwE

Or do I just tell them buy this?

[plucky timber]

even at peak 2025 it's difficult to get a $400 build t tbh

[fallen sphinx]

No

[weary galleon]

trimmed link https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-002D-00071

[fallen sphinx]

No no no no

[plucky timber]

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-002D-00071?
shortened

[versed current]

I have no clue what the cpu is

[plucky timber]

4100

[versed current]

A ryzen 3?

[fallen sphinx]

Not good

[versed current]

Yea I thought

[plucky timber]

there's also an A320 in there so

not like it can run much better cpus anyways

just stick with console really

budget builds is one thing

budget builds in 2025 is another

[fallen sphinx]

^

[plucky timber]

it costs no money

to stick with console

[fallen sphinx]

He alr has one

So

[plucky timber]

but if you get a pc this budget you're wasting $300 for console-like epxrience which

is quite literally a waste of money considering you have a console

[fallen sphinx]

A 400$ pc is gonna be worse than a decent console

[plucky timber]

Nah

[fallen sphinx]

New Gen console yeah

[plucky timber]

nope

It's totally possible

but not in current market conditions

[fallen sphinx]

I mean in current

[plucky timber]

well it is possible in current market conditions tbh

but there's going to be a lot of corners cutting

so much that I'm not going to recommend it

[weary galleon]

I lowkey don't think used lowend is that affected

[fallen sphinx]

A 400$ pc can beat a series x?

[plucky timber]

absolutely

[weary galleon]

no lmao

[plucky timber]

with all used parts

[fallen sphinx]

Isn’t series x like good tho

[plucky timber]

it's not that good lmao

[weary galleon]

series X is roughly an rx 6700

[plucky timber]

see it's possible it's just extremely annoying to find the parts

if you can find a 5700XT for $160 or so

[fallen sphinx]

Yeah no way a 400$ pc is beating that

[weary galleon]

a 5700XT is not close to a series X lol\

[fallen sphinx]

I’m seeing it’s equal to a 6800 and a 3700x

[weary galleon]

nah, the gpu is closest to a 6700 non xt

[fallen sphinx]

Ah

[plucky timber]

RTX 2080 might be possible

will have to gimp the hell out of the main pc

used 6700 might be around 2080 price tbh

[weary galleon]

actually series X might be closer to 6700t and ps5 is non xt

[plucky timber]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/205423293178?_skw=rtx+RX+6700&LH_ItemCondition=4
https://www.ebay.com/itm/186382892541?_skw=dell+precision+e5+26&var=694433137987

insanity build

dead end platform

pretty sure that cpu is gonna get destroyed by zen 3

multi thread it still kinda holds up

but single thread it'll get absolutely screwed

[weary galleon]

and even then, 200+250 is not 400

[plucky timber]

I'm just showing how it's possible

[weary galleon]

also the $200 dell is only 256gb

[plucky timber]

it's not meant to be an actual recommendation

it just shows that if you browse the used market enough you may find a combination of parts that may resemble the performance of a console

that would depend on a lot of luck

but it's not impossible for $400

[weary galleon]

not the most scientific but this shows that intel getting pretty whooped by the 3600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azdJWYRiBmE

[plucky timber]

that's not the point

It just shows that it's possible to get a console-ish experience for $400

not that the specific parts I chose were actually viable

[weary galleon]

I'd believe 450, definitely 500

[plucky timber]

As I said again

It's possible it just involves a lot of luck

[weary galleon]

plus now that i'm looking at ebay listings, there are $350 series X consoles

[plucky timber]

facebook marketplace might have better results but that's a very regional based market