building-and-recc-chat

[crude onyx]

unless i need mounts and stuff

[formal girder]

Thermalright C12C would do ya well

[crude onyx]

i was considering these instead

ARCTIC P12 PWM: 0.3 sones so around 15-12db

be quiet! Shadow Wings 2: Second option, expensive but appealing cause quiet

the C12C seems loud

[tawny violet]

@vague oracle I just got a stupid idea

Meshroom S V2
ATX mobo
big GPU
280mm rad internally
360mm with their funni external mount

Well big

it's small in size but big in power (because watercooled)

that being said, the riser might have a hard time going through to the GPU

[shrewd gale]

I hacked my way

[jagged ember]

WIndows is freeware

They literally let you use it without a license perpetually

[plucky timber]

Adware more like

they make so much money from selling your data it's straight up more profitable for them to make it free so more people would install it

[frank frost]

Hi, a friend is asking for a build including monitor for under $1500

What GPU would be worth at that price

4060?

[teal dome]

U can do better I think

[frank frost]

What would you recommend

4070/5070/5070ti, 9070/9070xt are impossible to get at MSRP

[teal dome]

That's true but it's possible to get them msrp, just build whenever you can buy the gpu imo

[fallen sphinx]

A 1300$ custom build should NOT have a 4060

[hollow gulch]

so full pc with monitor for $1500?

what res, 1440p?

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8239XR
gpu: https://www.ebay.com/itm/167426550440
cpu: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807897785967.html

[forest lava]

@cyan ravine Forgive the ping- I've returned to tackling the issue with my PC, and I have some info that might help with troubleshooting

It's gotten really bad lately, and my PC does the full shutdown more regularly than it ever has before. Sometimes having a smaller window on screen will cause it, other times just gaming normally with no signs of overheat or stress causes it

But I've done testing and it's definitely not graphics. The shutdown occurs immediately, with no prior sign or cue, and even shuts down fan activity (which is odd because in the past the fans would go overdrive when this happened), keyboard (including rgb), and every other device connected to the pc

[hollow gulch]

You can get their aqua elite v4 240mm aio for $43

[forest lava]

Which means it's not my drivers/graphics being iffy, but rather something else wrong entirely

I'm gonna take the entire pc apart today

[vague oracle]

Yeah with an ATX board you need like a 200mm riser cable iirc

[forest lava]

What can I use to wipe off old paste if I don't have alcoholic wipes?

[undone maple]

Should I sell my 1650 super and spend a lil more for a 4060

[stoic island]

Anything that won't flake off or leave debris

[hollow gulch]

Get a used 3070

Seen them for $260

[undone maple]

I seen a 4060 for 200

[tawny violet]

v2 has that iirc

Female Reverse 200mm PCIe 5.0 Riser Cable

[hollow gulch]

Show me lol

Cuz they aren't that cheap

[forest lava]

Currently redoing my paste and swapping the cpu cable

also gonna try booting the pc with a single stick of ram

[undone maple]

Sent it to u

[hollow gulch]

There's no price

[vague oracle]

Mine came with a 135mm

[tawny violet]

Yeah that wouldn't work

but the longer one would

I do wonder tho

can you still watercool if you have an ATX board?

or it'd take up too much space

[vague oracle]

Wait I'm fully lying i got my cables mixed up with a different case

[tawny violet]

Wait, their own riser ain't that long 💀

That's so dumb

[vague oracle]

I mean, using that long of a riser with an ITX board would be an actual pain in the ass

[tawny violet]

Tru

[frank frost]

Yep

[frank frost]

They didn't tell me but i wouldn't use 1080p in that budget

[tawny violet]

Unironically I might just
Forego the custom loop initially and just 360 AIO the 9800X3D
Leave the GPU air-cooled
And custom loop it if the AIO dies or I have excess income

I mean there's not that much of a point to custom loop

[frank frost]

I don't think they'd be willing to buy on AliExpress or a used GPU since it's their first build

[tawny violet]

Even 5090s are really good aircooled and I can do static OC on the 9800X3D with an AIO

Keep watercooling as like a prestige project and go straight to hardline

[hollow gulch]

Used gpu is like the only thing u can get rn, and that's fine you can still get a 9600X for around $200 not on aliexpress

It's also a lot better than what you had suggested, 6900 xtxh beats the 4070 super

[snow dragon]

Nah you know bruh

[tawny violet]

@vague oracle you reckon that going hardline right off the bat if watercooling is smart?

Or should I try soft tubing first (though arguably it'll never look as good as a proper hardline setup

Okay is he getting automodded or he's just deleting every message after pinging me?

Like I'm just curious

[snow dragon]

Brotha weird like that fr

Making us look crazy

[tawny violet]

Alright screw this

[snow dragon]

Its probably gonna suck a lot

And I think soft tubing doesnt look bad really

[tawny violet]

You can technically like just do a fitting for every bend

But that'd be expensive as heck

[snow dragon]

I think these look really cool

[snow dragon]

Typically I only see these where the tubes are black but there are white ones too

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-thats-hot-looking-telescope-will-smith-gif-14760309

[snow dragon]

[tawny violet]

I don't like soft tubing

[lone flame]

i used to think soft black tubing wasnt that good looking but i think ive changed my mind

[tawny violet]

It looks wonky

[lone flame]

obv hardline looks way better

but soft tubing can look clean

[tawny violet]

It looks wonky, cheap and lazy to me

And in something like the Meshroom S v2

You kinda need very squared away runs to clear things

[snow dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-trvth-nvke-true-spongebob-gif-11533801592547853323

[tawny violet]

To be honest though

Hardline scary

[stoic island]

wonky cheap and lazy becomes
easy to bend, cheap to replace, easy to maintain

[tawny violet]

IMO a well planned loop can still be very much easy to maintain

It's not like a soft tube loop isn't also a pain in the ass to maintain

You still need to disassemble everything to clean it up

[stoic island]

no matter what, it's going to be a bit harder to drain the loop with hardline tubing rather than soft tubing

[tawny violet]

Y'know like scrub the blocks and res

[stoic island]

just need to run new distilled water

[tawny violet]

Unless you can use one of those killcoils with distilled water and just leave it in there

[stoic island]

whatever coolant you are using should not be leaving any sediment behind

or bacterial or algae growth

if it is, you need to change coolants

[weary galleon]

Wait I'm not supposed to be using creek water?

[stoic island]

lol

[tawny violet]

Lmao

[snow dragon]

Beer pc

[stoic island]

where's the boris vodka pc

[tawny violet]

But yes
Distilled water and a killcoil SHOULD be long term maintainable

[weary galleon]

I was boutta say lmao

[stoic island]

don't need killcoil

[snow dragon]

Yall remember the post malone build jay made

[tawny violet]

Broke iirc

[stoic island]

the new one broke iirc

[snow dragon]

I dont remember if he used real bud light or not

[stoic island]

old one ran for a while

[weary galleon]

https://youtu.be/4LQeY3T66eM?si=YjBS49IpDzXURclR

[snow dragon]

The condensation rig

[stoic island]

yea that's the new one

[tawny violet]

Anyhow
What's wrong with killcoils?

Isn't their purpose to keep growth away?

[stoic island]

I'm just against anything solid inside the loop

[tawny violet]

It can sit in the res and never bother anyone

Might even look cool

[snow dragon]

You dont need the coil just add a lil bit of some additive

[tawny violet]

Coil is cool tho

And it's gonna last way longer than the additives probably

[stoic island]

should just use something like alphacool's coolant mix thing, nothing to break off or damage things from inside

[tawny violet]

Even the clear mix has particles in it tho

Like most block mfg keep saying not to use premix stuff cuz it'll clog the blocks

And yet EVERY mfg sells it

[stoic island]

It's water with propylene glycol to prevent corrosion and growth and some ph stabiliser, there's nothing else added in the alphacool mix

[dusky hearth]

aren't kill coils just like

metal like copper or something

[stoic island]

btw which block mfg does

[snow dragon]

Yeah they can cause issues depending on the materials you use

[stoic island]

bykski literally tells you in the block manual that it's meant to be used with a specific premix coolant

alphacool doesn't say anything about not using premix

[frank frost]

Alright thanks I'll let him know!

[vague oracle]

Mixed metals bad and good coolant already has bacterial growth inhibitors

Just get DP ultra coolant and you'll be set

[vague oracle]

My first build was hardline but I'm already fairly mechanically capable so it wasn't that difficult, it's definitely doable but soft tubing is the easier way to go

Especially in a SFF, soft tubing makes life a bit easier

[upper ore]

So PC is turning on and everything looks fine. But keyboard, mouse, and monitor aren't displaying and turning on. Should I reset the CMOS?

[languid nimbus]

Ayyyeee happy birthday man

[stoic island]

:)

[plucky timber]

Happy birthday!

[stoic island]

Thanks

[crimson zinc]

Might meed to update drivers, replug everything in, then if that doesn’t work, clear cmos and report back

[upper ore]

Will do

[wide drum]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/s2417dg

What's one of these monitors worth these days?

I am considering throwing it in with my old build when I try to sell it:

Lancool 2 Mesh
5900x
evga 3080 ftw ultra
x570 tomahawk wifi
gskill trident z neo 32gb dd4 3600 cl 16

All someone needs to do is add a PSU and m.2 and theyre ready for 1440p gaming.

[upper ore]

This is so weird I normally just have the option for xmp but I don't have it. I just have docp

Do I need to do anything else? Like what's up with the BCLK frequency?

[tawny violet]

Alphacool I remember immediately

[stoic island]

I don't see them saying that anywhere

[tawny violet]

from their own shop page

[stoic island]

It has to do with other manufacturers adding particles for their colored coolant lol

in pastel liquids specifically

nothing to do with premixed in general

especially not premixed clear coolant

[tawny violet]

I'd rather just do distilled

much cheaper

I can get a 5l jug of distilled water for the same price as a liter of premix

[lone flame]

@cyan ravine I got my new PSU in yesterday, coil whine is completely gone now I love it

I went in with the mindset I was going to try and properly manage my cables too and I think I made it worse

It’s such a rats nest back there I don’t have the patience or skill to properly manage that mess

[stoic island]

I mean you can buy proplyene glycol bulk for relatively cheap and mixed it with distilled yourself

think alphacool sells a jug or smth like that

[forest lava]

70 degrees is normal for a cpu under AAA gaming load right?

And 80 for my gpu?

[plucky timber]

Yes

[stoic island]

70c on CPU is fine, I'd be worried if you're hitting high 80s on GPU though

Default temp limit for Nvidia is like 85c iirc

Tjmax is like 90

[plucky timber]

ohh gpus throttle that low?

[stoic island]

yea nvidia does

amd slightly higher

I think still 110 hotspot

[plucky timber]

I see

Imagine having no airflow tho (NZXT case scenario)

GPU just getting absolutely choked

[snow dragon]

Yeah I think amd gpus were also around nvidias limit until rdna came out

When rdna came out thats when they said over boiling temperature is perfectly ok

[molten ferry]

hey, Had to move my pc today for the maintnece to work in my room. Im getting no display from my graphics card when i plug an hdmi cord into it tried multiple monitors dosent work. i have it on now plugging into the motherboard when i use device manager and look at the device status it has no driver updates and says that its working properly. any help would be appreciated

[molten ferry]

fixed it

one of my ram sticks wasnt in all the way

[snow dragon]

Be like that sometimes fr

[languid nimbus]

At least that’s all it was, glad to hear

Hate moving pcs something always messes up lol

[grave crescent]

Need some help I just built my pc and it was fine for a little bit I had time to download discord and synapse and Radeon drivers but now it keeps freezing and giving me different errors

I had some random OneDrive error, then it blue screened with CRITICAL_PROCESS_ERROR, then had the error FileCoAuth.exe - Application Error, then it came back on for a few seconds before freezing and giving me atieclxx.exe - application error, the same blue screened again, now it’s booted into the recovery screen saying windows didn’t load correctly

[snow dragon]

Looks like the driver did it

Get ddu and reinstall the amd driver

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[snow dragon]

Also run command prompt as administrator and run: sfc /scannow

[grave crescent]

It only stays on for a few seconds

[snow dragon]

sfc /scannow will look for and repair corrupted files if it comes across any

[snow dragon]

Ok boot into safe mode with networking and get ddu that way then

You can do this by holding shift and pressing restart

[grave crescent]

It’s running for now maybe it will stay long enough idk

[snow dragon]

Safe mode will turn off the driver

[grave crescent]

I turned xmp back off to see if that helped

[snow dragon]

atieclxx.exe is from the amd driver

[grave crescent]

Ah ok

[snow dragon]

So go into safe mode with networking and download ddu to uninstall the radeon driver

[grave crescent]

Did it and now I’m locked out because it said pin isn’t available give me a minute

[grave crescent]

It literally won’t work in safe mode

Every work around I’ve tried leads me back to needing my pin and it for some reason isn’t able to sign me in with my pin in safe mode

I could just be dumb though

Ok did it just did It without safe mode hopefully this works

[snow dragon]

Did what without safe mode

[grave crescent]

Ran did

Ddu

It seemed to be fine for a little bit but it just now blue screened on me

Says windows recourse protection found and repaired corrupt files

[snow dragon]

Oh did you run that sfc command

[grave crescent]

Yup and it still crashed again

Just now

Critical process died

[snow dragon]

Damn bruh

You said you just installed windows right

[grave crescent]

It runs for a little bit and then all of a sudden hovering over stuff and clicking on stuff doesn’t work while visual things are still running (video or whatever it may be) and then it crashes

Yeah I just did

Built this pc 3hrs ago

Just got that atieclxx.exe application error again

[snow dragon]

Which driver version did you get

[grave crescent]

Latest

[snow dragon]

Try the previous version

[stoic island]

Nvidia? roll back to 566.36

assuming not 50xx

[snow dragon]

Nah amd

Ngl I think its the windows install

[stoic island]

dism and then sfc

[snow dragon]

Sfc didnt fix anything

[stoic island]

do DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

and then run sfc again after that

[grave crescent]

I was curious and let it run just watching yt after running ddu and it blue screened again after acting weird

Had a black square in my screen

[stoic island]

what was the error code?

[grave crescent]

Same thing critical process error

[stoic island]

yea you should do dism then sfc, then check drive info with crystaldiskinfo or hwinfo64 or equivalent

[grave crescent]

Says it found corrupt files again

Not sure what I’m looking for on crystaldiskinfo but it says drive health is good 100%

[stoic island]

good enough

grab occt or furmark or 3dmark or equivalent and run GPU stress tests and see if anything happens

[grave crescent]

For fun I just ran sfc scannow again and it claims to have found corrupt files again

[stoic island]

you have run dism right?

sounding more like windows is just borked and best to clean install at this point

[grave crescent]

Yeah I typed in that command exactly as you sent it

Would it be a bad idea to reinstall using the same drive as before

[stoic island]

you should make a new installation media

same physical drive is fine, just should make a new install just in case

[grave crescent]

I don’t have another usb can I just reuse it and have the new media creator reformat the drive

Ok

[stoic island]

download the media creation tool again before doing it if you haven't already

[grave crescent]

After I do that how do I go about the clean install

[snow dragon]

When you run it there should be the option to wipe the drive and install it again

[grave crescent]

Ok

Hey on the bright side so far leaving it running doing absolutely nothing hasn’t crashed it!

[forest lava]

I've made quite a bizarre development on researching the issues with my pc

My PC has been randomly doing a full crash while playing certain games. In the past, this happened with Shadow of Mordor, the Modern Warfare II campaign, Senua's Sacrifice, and Battlefield 1, but has since expanded to Warzone and COD MP and gotten so bad that I could not even play a match without the entire PC full crashing. This crash comes with no cue- no lag, no irregular temps, no strange sounds or smells, just an immediate screen blackout and keyboard rgb shutoff, and my PC ceases all activity except for fan rgb.

(I've explained this before but just going over it just in case the info helps).

I recently realized however that sometimes, smaller windows (non fullscreen windows) may occasionally cause my PC to start lagging REALLY badly, I'm talking less than 1fps. And this can happen with a web browser, video player, clipping software, or practically any other app. Recently I've found that it can also lead to the same exact crash that happens while gaming. I did some testing and tried running a long gaming session without any windows open in the background (only letting medal and discord run in the background), and I didn't have a pc crash once

Now my questions are:

• Why would something as simple as smaller or split windows kill my PC?
• Why do frames on other apps fail to update properly when a game is running in the background?
• Why does this crash happen during full gameplay (i.e. in a match), but not in the firing range? Why does it happen in the aforementioned games, but not in Overwatch?
• What components would I even look out for at this point?

[stoic island]

Graphics drivers would be the most likely problem

secondary to that is monitor/graphics settings, gsync/freesync/vsync, bfi, that kind of thing

[upper ore]

So i am completely stuck and don't know what to do anymore. So pretty much I gave my girlfriend my old pc to play her games on while I do my own thing. I had it working and she was playing on it. On Monday she was playing on it on and off all day. Probably turning it on and off everytime she would stop playing it. She called me the first time saying that windows was saying her pin was wrong when it was exactly right to login in. So she changed it and got in and started playing it. Then a few hours later she turned it off again to take a nap. After the nap she tried to get back on and it wouldn't even post and the keyboard and mouse wouldn't turn on. I reset the cmos and I got it to post into the bios. But right after the bios goes away it goes black again.

[obsidian wigeon]

Intermittent issue.. hm

Try to boot without the cmos battery

Remove it from the board

[upper ore]

Removed and starting but not posting

[obsidian wigeon]

Have you tried swapping psus?

Or verifying cable connections

Tho no post.. I'd suspect ram myself

Worth a try to boot with one stick

[upper ore]

That language mod bot is bugged. I didn't say a single bad thing.

[obsidian wigeon]

rip

[upper ore]

Well one sec let me re type that out...

So I don't have another powere supply. But riddle me this i recently lost my old power supply cable during a move so I bought one on Amazon. Would that be messing anything up?

[upper ore]

Removed one and no post

[obsidian wigeon]

Try a different slot

[upper ore]

So had it on 2,4 now I'm doing 1,3 and nothing

[upper ore]

Should I have the battery still out because I put it back in

[obsidian wigeon]

Oof..

Well, that either confirms that the ram is ded

Or that all mobo ram slots are ded

Ram being dead is more likely tho

[upper ore]

I just changed the ram back to my old set because the newer ones were dead 😵‍💫

[obsidian wigeon]

Do you have a diff mobo to test the ram in?

[upper ore]

I have a different pc yes in worried I feel this pc is cursed lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

I just hope it's not the board that's ded here

[upper ore]

But I might need to work on this after work tonight. I have to get ready for work and leave soon.

[obsidian wigeon]

That's ok

I'm here all the time lol

[upper ore]

Could the new cord have fried anything?

[upper ore]

.

[obsidian wigeon]

I don't think so

As long as you made sure it works with your exact model of the psu

But if not.. there's a chance

It wouldn't even turn on tho lol

If it fried smth on the board

It's on, but doesn't post

[upper ore]

https://a.co/d/5fo3jMd

[obsidian wigeon]

Usually a dead giveaway of dead ram

Yeah, that stuff is standard

That wouldn't be my concern

[upper ore]

Fair well I'll try some more stuff tonight

Thank your for the help so far

[obsidian wigeon]

You're welcome

[upper ore]

Any ram suggestions? I just had 2 kinds of G.skill ram die on me and I'm losing faith in their products. Lol

[obsidian wigeon]

You can find a teamgroup kit

They're cheap but also reliable

[grave crescent]

I genuinely just blue screened while reinstalling windows

It’s got to be hardware somehow

[grave crescent]

Might have found the culprit

[grave crescent]

I think the mobo might be bad or something

Started getting red light for cpu and cleaning mobo and reseating cpu didn’t work so I reseated connections on mobo and it worked long enough to reinstall windows, drivers, and 2 games. Tested 1 game for 5-10 mins and then downloaded the other and ran it and maybe 5 mins in the pc just shut off entirely

Then I turned it back on and tried the game again but before it even had time to launch I got critical process error bsod again and I’m getting yellow lights for ram now on startup where I was getting green before

[urban oyster]

it means you need more ram for the game possibly?

[urban oyster]

@grave crescent

[grave crescent]

I have 32gb 2x16 6400mt/s cl32

Patriot viper ram

[urban oyster]

but your also getting a red light on cpu?

[stoic island]

Xmp/expo off?

[grave crescent]

First game I had it off but I did turn it on maybe 5 mins before the pc shut off entirely

To the 6400mts profile

[turbid charm]

I want to upgrade my 10yr-old pc. What components should I upgrade? Or should I just do them all?

[weary galleon]

What are your current specs? You may be able to keep some stuff but a fresh build might also be a good idea

[stoic island]

Do all testing right now with it off

[turbid charm]

my mobo is Asus M5A97 LE R2.0; my gpu is Asus GTX660; I've got a 2TB HDD and two G.Skill 8gb RipJaws

[stoic island]

Would recommend starting over again assuming budget allows for it

[turbid charm]

I'd like to allow for it

[snow dragon]

What cpu you got

If ryzen its probably because it cant run the 6400 speed

[crimson zinc]

What budget do you have?

[turbid charm]

well, I'd like to stay around $1000, and use the same cooler master haf 922 case that I've got

I'm not sure what the cpu is, but I'm sure it ain't great

[hollow gulch]

probably not but its most likely low quality

[stoic island]

What are you trying to use it for?

[hollow gulch]

thats quite outdated..

[turbid charm]

playing minecraft and editing videos

the case is outdated? as a mid-tower, wouldn't it still handle new components?

[stoic island]

cooling is a bit wack but it'll fit everything still

half of your front intake is blocked by drive bays when comparing it to more modern cases

[turbid charm]

oh, okay, I see

[stoic island]

Single front intake, up to single top and single rear exhaust

something a bit more recent, td500 mesh for example, triple front intake, up to triple top mount, single rear exhaust

[hollow gulch]

with 1k total you could easily get a $70 case

[stoic island]

if you need all of the drive bays, more recent cases typically only have ~4

[stoic island]

any particular editing software?

[turbid charm]

no, I certainly don't need all those drive bays, most of mine have been empty.

it's probably stupid, but I've only ever used Blender to edit videos.

[stoic island]

Blender is one of the few places Intel still has the advantage in for current gen, if you plan on staying with using blender for what you're doing

[stoic island]

can't really find any reasonable cheap GPU so just plopped in a 7600 just as an example, but here's an example for what could be done keeping the same case and mostly focusing on blender performance
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/34dkRV

[turbid charm]

that looks good, do you know if those parts are all compatible with each other? that's what I worry about the most.

[stoic island]

pcpp does most of the automatic checking

but there's not much you can do if coolermaster doesn't tell you how tall of a CPU cooler your case supports

all I can tell you is the cooler in the list is 154mm tall and you may have to eyeball it or measure the inside of your case

[turbid charm]

I would have to know how the motherboard sits in the case, as well, wouldn't I? to figure out the space I've got to fit the cooler?

[naive latch]

Should I buy a 7600 rn I’m assuming gpu prices aren’t going down anytime soon

[fallen sphinx]

Why intel

More importantly why core ultra

[hollow gulch]

you can most likely get one used for cheaper

[stoic island]

blender

[naive latch]

Where should I look for a used one

[stoic island]

I wouldn't actually buy a 7600 new rn, it's just there as a placeholder in the list

[naive latch]

Where should I look for a used one at they’re all sold out on newegg and idk when they’re coming back

[stoic island]

Blender is the one place where core ultra has a measurable advantage lol

[stoic island]

generally the best deals are local through facebook marketplace, ebay is fine but generally higher price but also with better buyer protection

[naive latch]

Or is there any cards you’d recommend to get new that aren’t crazy expensive that can run games good

I seen that 6700 and 6600 are pretty cheap but I’m not sure how well they’d run the games I play

[stoic island]

What exactly do you play outside of minecraft?

wait wrong person

what do you play?

[naive latch]

Tarkov and rust mainly but I play a lot of games those are the most demanding games though

[stoic island]

tarkov would be the most intensive, 7600 would do fine for 1080p med for tarkov, would get an upgrade if you want to do 1440p though

[hollow gulch]

id try and get a decent gpu with 12gb of vram at least, youd be set for awhile

6700 xt cheapest youll get with 12gb

close to $300 used last i checked

[naive latch]

Would that be near a 4060

[hollow gulch]

its better than the 4060

[stoic island]

wouldn't be too worried with vram with cards of this tier, wouldn't run over 1440p with them anyways

4060 is around a 7600, 6700xt is ~10% better

[naive latch]

I’m not too familiar with amd I’m and nvidia user

Okay I’ll look for a 6700xt thank you

[upper ore]

Nvm I'm dumb

🤣🤦‍♂️

But are these reliable? They seem extremely cheap

[stoic island]

3600c18 is just gonna be random die, it won't oc well at all

[upper ore]

I don't plan on doing anything to it. It's gonna go in my old pc for my girlfriend to use. The old sticks of ram died and I need replacements. If there's something better for cheap I'm willing to get something else.

[naive latch]

Is this deal too good to be true

[grave crescent]

Should I try updating bios as well? Not sure how risky it is if something hardware wise is actually faulty. I have a x670p pro WiFi with a bios flash button

[stoic island]

it'll do fine for that

[stoic island]

Do some testing before updating bios, it may help in the way of agesa update helping with stability, but kinda sounds more likely that ram is unstable at xmp rn

[upper ore]

Like minecraft, balders gate, rivals and games like that.

And maybe genshin lol 😆

[stoic island]

pretty reasonable as a used card, take the usual steps to be safe buying used, ask for evidence of it working

[stoic island]

none of them are that demanding on the ram lol

[naive latch]

Okay and it says returns accepted does that mean it has eBay protection or that the seller accepts returns

[stoic island]

oh and btw, MSI Mech tends to run pretty hot, keep that in mind

[stoic island]

for ebay? generally both

[naive latch]

What brand would you recommend

[grave crescent]

I’m on my knees begging for something to work rn for real

[stoic island]

try not to go by brand whenever possible, every brand makes good and bad models

mech just happens to be a bad model

[naive latch]

I might buy it just because it’s only 200 and all the other used ones are going for like 285

[grave crescent]

Sfc found no integrity violations so I’m running Minecraft right now and it’s constantly failing to load chunks

Giving me an error that’s constantly quickly cycling through a bunch on different chunks that it’s failing to load

Xmp disabled btw

[weary galleon]

It's a little sus, I'd expect 6700xts to be closer to 275

[naive latch]

That where most of them are this ones protected by eBay so I’m debating on buying it or not right now

[grave crescent]

Ok can I send pictures in here or no

[weary galleon]

You should be able to

[grave crescent]

Tried to launch hwmonitor because my gpu feels warm and everything started bugging again but differently this time

This is repeatedly popping up

Before it blanked the background taskmgr also gave me an error like this

[weary galleon]

Have you tried running the ram at base speed

(turn off xmp/expo)

[grave crescent]

Currently am as mr1111 said to

Wait now my gpu fans aren’t spinning

[stoic island]

makes me want to blame CPU

GPU fans turning off while idling is normal

[grave crescent]

Not turning while at 53c though?

I restarted windows and it had cooled to 53c by then but still

[stoic island]

relatively normal still

[grave crescent]

Wait wtf

Is it normal for the left side of my gpu to be able to come out of the mount

I’m gonna say no

[fickle bolt]

Uhhhhh what brand of motherboard you got there, chief

[grave crescent]

Bc the other slot doesn’t do that

Bruh wtf there’s no way they properly remanned this mobo

This is why I want to blame the mobo so bad

A clip on one of the ram slots was half broken and there were metal chips where my m.2 mounts

And now this

And all these issues

[naive latch]

6700xt and a 3070 are going for about the same prices 6700 has 12gb of ram which one should I go with

Used prices

[fickle bolt]

6700,3070 prob isn't worth it in 2025, imo

[naive latch]

Well I found a good deal for a 6700xt but I’m scared it might be too good

[fickle bolt]

U got a Pic?

[fickle bolt]

What marketplace is that on?

[naive latch]

Ebay

It does have eBay protection

[fickle bolt]

Hmm

[fallen sphinx]

Damn

[fickle bolt]

I'd say it's cheap but be cautious, look at reviews from the guys other stuff, and make sure you're able to refund it if necessary

[naive latch]

I can refund it I’m pretty sure and all his reviews are good but none of them are tech products

[fallen sphinx]

Isn’t nvidia miles better for blender

Like incomparably better

[grave crescent]

Woah

Wtf

I’m literally running Minecraft what happened

[grave crescent]

All of a sudden out of nowhere it jumped from 70s to 110 and the fans turned all the way up

Wondering if I should repaste the gpu but I’m not sure why it would need that it couldn’t be that old

[hollow gulch]

pcie slot? no lol

[hollow gulch]

yeah that needs to be repasted

or the cooler mount is messed up

[grave crescent]

Yeah that’s what I meant I might have to build the pc out of the case because I’m not confident the left side is seating properly but the other slot holds it a lot better at least

This mobo has a second reinforced slot

[hollow gulch]

110c isnt safe

[grave crescent]

Yeah I’m wondering if my issues are actually multiple things. Ram instability and gpu overheating combined in to one mess of issues

[hollow gulch]

u want to use the topmost x16 slot though

[naive latch]

Opinion on a 3070\3080 rn or should I just go for a 4060 for a little more used

[hollow gulch]

if you want the 3080 get the 12gb model, not the original 10gb crap one

6700 xt would be your best value

[naive latch]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/286472220480?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=0SI7QbYrRWG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=hineonlar_i&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[naive latch]

Thoughts on this seller

[snow dragon]

Id say go for it

6700 xt is a good card

[naive latch]

I’m trying to but chase has other ideas😒

[snow dragon]

Especially when undervolted

Mine uses like 130-140w

[naive latch]

You think it’ll pair good with a 5800x3d

[snow dragon]

Oh yeah

[grave crescent]

Repasted the card and now hot spot peaked at 87c with only 1333rpms

[zenith cargo]

is there a solution to color banding?

every monitor I've owned I constantly see those poorly gradient squares

its annoying

[obsidian wigeon]

sounds like your monitor is compressing its output

[zenith cargo]

starting to think its my gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

check display settings in your gpu drivers control panel

and also check windows display settings

[zenith cargo]

what should I look for?

?

[hollow gulch]

Oled

[zenith cargo]

already have it yet here I am 💀

[stoic island]

Nvcp on the page where you set refresh rate there's a drop down menu of compression settings

[zenith cargo]

im on amd

any way to change it on radeon software?

[stoic island]

It's in there somewhere, I just remember where it is for Nvidia

[stoic island]

here

[zenith cargo]

I've had it on that option, but now that I turned off DSC, 10bit wont enable

[stoic island]

Likely the refresh rate you're setting is too high for the cable or the port

Set a lower refresh rate and then do standard RGB with 10 bit color

[zenith cargo]

nvm found the prob

damn

those damn squares

still see em

doesn’t look as bad as the pic but they’re still visible

[snow dragon]

Are you using hdmi

[zenith cargo]

no

display port

the one included with my monitors

[snow dragon]

What refresh rate and resolution

[zenith cargo]

monitor*

lowered it down to 60hz

using 1440p

maybe it’s a bad gpu 🤷‍♂️

bought it off ebay

[snow dragon]

what card is it

[zenith cargo]

2 years ago

asus tuf

6900xy

xt

the aliasing is horrible in games too

my 1080p monitor with a 3060 looked sharper than this

[snow dragon]

Have you tried a diff cable

[gentle pollen]

yes.

a 7900xtx performs about as bad as a rtx 3070.

[snow dragon]

Thats that amd advantage 🦾

[gentle pollen]

huh?

I just noticed.

My rank changed

[snow dragon]

They need to fix up rocm

Like its about time bruh

[gentle pollen]

But yeah if someone does Blender or 3D design in general, AMD is not recommended imo.

https://tenor.com/view/tt_0120-thuantran-gif-18989288

I don't know why I felt the urge to post that.

[zenith cargo]

I did but with my previous monitor, results were the same

[stoic island]

Are you sure dsc and any other possible compression features are off?

And try just native 8 bit color

No dithering or anything like that

Half the time the 10 bit option is 8 but with dithering

[plucky timber]

Yeah I use the intel igpu

💪

[zenith cargo]

read some posts on asus's web and it seems like other ppl are having the same issues

looks like the issue is being ignored judging by the threads

[analog hearth]

Why not? I do 3D printing. I only use TinkerCAD when designing my own things but I don't have many issues with it (tried with AMD, Intel, and even on my M3 MBA and M4 Mac Mini)

Slicing is a bit different

[gentle pollen]

I don't have experience with TinkerCad so I can't speak to that but in my experience and based on google Radeon cards don't perform well in Blender..

[analog hearth]

Oh for Blender

[wide drum]

Anyone able to give me an idea of how much I could try selling this for? Would just need a PSU and storage, and maybe a new AIO.

Lancool 2 Mesh
Noctua NF-P12 case fans
ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 (5 years old)
AMD Ryzen 9 5900x
EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra 10GB
MSI Mag X570 Tomahawk Wifi
G.SKILL Trident Z Neo 32GB (2x16) DDR4 3600 CL16
Acer Predator XB271HU 27 inch WQHD IPS 144Hz

[obsidian wigeon]

Considering the absolute state of the pc market rn

It's easily worth 1k+

[analog hearth]

At least

[obsidian wigeon]

(a 4060 prebuilt is 1k+ new, without monitor or any peripherals that aren't e-waste)

so yeh, a 5900x pc with 32gb ram, a good board and a 3080 WITH a monitor included

will definitely be able to fetch more cash

[naive latch]

Any good cheap motherboards that’s am5 and has WiFi

[obsidian wigeon]

gimme a sec

depends on which cpu you wanna pair it with

but most boards should handle even a 9800x3d

[naive latch]

It’s a 5800x3d

Building it for my gf pairing it with a 6700xt

[obsidian wigeon]

that's an am4 cpu

lemme find an am4 board

[naive latch]

Is it fr

I’ve thought it was am5 this whole time

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

5800x3d is on am4

[naive latch]

Good am4 boards are cheaper

Means I have to get ddr4 ram right

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Vb3mP6/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-ax-v2-atx-am4-motherboard-b550aorus-elite-axv2

this is good for the 5800x3d

and yes, you need ddr4

[naive latch]

One last question I got the red dragon 6700xt and I know it’s a big card you think it’d fit in a mini or should I go for a mid

For the case

[hollow gulch]

Yes. I got an x570 for $80 on ebay

Don't buy new am4 boards, waste of money

[naive latch]

That’s where I’m looking rn

[hollow gulch]

👍

[obsidian wigeon]

used would be wiser indeed

i missed that part

as for ram i'd probably shop used too tbh

cheaper that way

[hollow gulch]

Well ram prices are pretty normal still

[obsidian wigeon]

if new

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

this would certainly do decently

[naive latch]

Thank you guys

[hollow gulch]

That's the best new kit yeah

Used you could get a good deal,

less likely. The board you can easily save money on

[hollow gulch]

So they won't rma?

[wide drum]

Build Boi said the build was $1-1200 before I added the monitor, just not sure what to start it at. I don't want to go to high, but don't want to sell myself short either.

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd agree with him myself

so with monitor i'd probably expect 1.3-1.4k?

[wide drum]

I guess I could start it at 1400 and see, worst that will happen is annoying comments

[weary galleon]

@plain cobalt I have a very similar build and I actually found that the gpu runs cooler without the case fans under it.ight be worth trying if your gpu temps are high

[snow dragon]

Oh yeah the fans are directly below it

Almost touching it

Yeah when its like that its better to not use them at all

Becomes a bunch of turbulent air

[upper ore]

Is there an app where it can check the life of some of my pc parts? 🤔 That would be cool to have for my old pc.

[dusky hearth]

there's not really any accurate method of checking the condition of any pc component
especially not in software

even drives with SMART data, the "drive remaining life" is just an estimate and the drive can fail even if it still says like 99% life remaining
or it could continue working for years after it says that the remaining life is 0

[upper ore]

I had a feeling I just thought it would be sweet to have! My older pc is getting up there but I don't know what all is going out. So having something like that would be awesome!

[dusky hearth]

most likely things to fail first would be the fans and the drives

everything else should be fine generally

if the mobo or psu is over 10 years old, those may be the next to go

though more modern mobos have better caps that might not fail as fast as the older boards

[naive latch]

What psu wattage would you recommend for a 6700xt and a 5800x3d

[obsidian wigeon]

650w would be plenty

[naive latch]

Check this out on @Newegg:Crucial Pro 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model CP2K16G4DFRA32A https://www.newegg.com/crucial-32gb-ddr4-3200/p/N82E16820156326?tpk=1&item=N82E16820156326

What do you think about this ram

And what’s a good 650w psu

[stoic island]

Kyber is well priced rn

[naive latch]

For the psu?

[stoic island]

3200c22 is relatively pretty slow

Ye adata xpg kyber

[naive latch]

What’s a good ddr4 ram

[stoic island]

For a 5800x3d?

[naive latch]

Yeah

Can only find the kyber in the 850 version

[stoic island]

If you want it to be cheap, 2x16 3600c18 is fine
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087XHN92L

[stoic island]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CW3VVHTF

[naive latch]

Thank you

[grave crescent]

I have to do more testing to see if I’ve fixed my blue screening but do you reckon if I’ve fixed it I could push my ram to xmp profile 6000mt/s cl30?

[stoic island]

Can mess with it later

Prob just have to set some manual io voltages

[grave crescent]

I saw someone say reseating their m.2 drive fixed their critical process died bsods so I did that but haven’t had more than 30-60mins to test and in that time it was fine

[stoic island]

There's always a good number of possibilities for every failure, just have to guess and check

If it works, great, if not, try something else

[wide cobalt]

Anyone have thoughts or recs on these pc specs (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nRtvv4) This is meant to be a semi budget option mainly intended for video editing with a bit of gaming

[stoic island]

What's the reasoning behind the ram choice there?

[wide cobalt]

Nothing in particular, mainly familiarity with corsair, but the 64gb is based on the ceiling on budget

open to other suggestions

[stoic island]

I can't really recommend Corsair for ram, but the speed and latency on that kit is also very slow, do you need 64gb or can you go lower?

2x24 is generally easier to run and enough for most people

[wide cobalt]

Oh, ok what are some better brands? 64 isnt mandatory but 32+ is prefered

[stoic island]

For ddr5 ram, anything but Corsair, Corsair locks pmic voltage while every other manufacturer doesn't

[wide cobalt]

is G.skill decent? Ive been wary in the past from some recommendations but i could be wrong

[stoic island]

Now that I look again 2x24gb prices aren't as good as I remembered, best to stick to 2x16/2x32 for now

G.skill is fine, about as average as you get

[stoic island]

This is well priced rn
https://www.newegg.com/patriot-64gb-ddr5-6000/p/N82E16820225339

[wide cobalt]

ok thanks, does the rest of the build look decent after this change?

[stoic island]

You can save $20 on the mobo without really losing anything, and are you set on getting that case?

[wide cobalt]

Thats the one the person Im helping build it picked out, but they are hard sold on it yet

[stoic island]

Unless you really like the aesthetics, a $90 case that doesn't include fans isn't that well priced

I need to double check what the alternative fish tank options are but in general you can get better priced cases that do include fans

[wide cobalt]

Oh thats my bad

[stoic island]

..?

[wide cobalt]

I meant to put the argb version, its 5 dollars more for 3 fans at the front

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CZV1KPXL?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

Still not sure if its the best but I picked the wrong one on the list

[stoic island]

Yea that's a bit better, do you like the fish tank look?

[wide cobalt]

Thats what they picked, so i guess so

[stoic island]

Cases are a lot about the aesthetics, pick whatever you like best, but some cheaper alternatives include
https://www.newegg.com/black-thermaltake-view-380-tg-argb-mid-tower-chassis/p/N82E16811133544
And
https://www.newegg.com/black-sama-sv-01-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-009W-00063

[wide cobalt]

Got it, Thanks

[naive latch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DhQmRV what yall think also if you wanna help me fill in the blanks

[stoic island]

Some case alternatives in general include
https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-000Z-000D6
And
https://www.newegg.com/black-sama-matx-atx-micro-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-009W-00047

[fallen sphinx]

I’m guessing you’re Alr on am4?

[naive latch]

yeah its my old cpu building this pc for my gf

doesnt have to be super over powered just want it to run all games decently

[stoic island]

990 Evo is kind of a wacky ssd

[naive latch]

i know but i already had one

[stoic island]

It performs like a very early gen 4 drive

[naive latch]

got it on sale like 2 years ago for 50 dollars and never used it

[stoic island]

What do you already have then?

[naive latch]

cpu gpu and ssd

[stoic island]

Can mark as purchased lol

[naive latch]

i didnt know that

[wide cobalt]

Thanks for the help

[stoic island]

Gear wheel next to each part, enter price, mark as purchased

[naive latch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MYk2Zc

there its updated

[stoic island]

Smth like this should work fine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6Jc9XR

You can swap back to the a620 if you like the look of it but pa120 performs effectively the same

[naive latch]

okay thank you

also i have the red dragon version of the 6700xt you think itll fit the case

its a big ass card

[stoic island]

That case fits up to 345mm

Not the biggest

Can swap case if your card is longer

[naive latch]

okay thank you

[upper ore]

@stoic island So ive been curious for awhile now on how everyone here that helps people get so knowledgeable when it come to trouble shooting problems with computers and mid maxing pc builds for everyone. Like i can build a pc and solve basic problems with it. But i would like to become more knowledgeable in everything computers.

[stoic island]

Red devil? That card is 320mm

[stoic island]

Experience and a lot of exposure to this stuff

Lots of videos and articles out there

[upper ore]

Any tips? lol

[stoic island]

Look at lots of reviews, lots of news articles

[upper ore]

For parts or problem-solving?

[stoic island]

Knowing more about parts helps you with troubleshooting

Keeping up with news helps with knowing what problems are there

[snow dragon]

[naive latch]

would the montch x3 mesh be a good case cant get my new egg to work for orders so i got on amazon and its teh same price

[stoic island]

That should work fine too

[naive latch]

says the bios could need updated for the motherboard

The MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard supports the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor with BIOS version 7C95v2A. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, updating the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.

thats what it says you think itll be fine

[stoic island]

pro vdh wifi has flashback if needed

but the chances of needing to do it is like 10% considering it would have to be stock older than early 2022

[naive latch]

just ordered it all thank you so much for your help bro

[grave crescent]

I think something in my gpu is buzzing when games are running

I’m going to stress it with aida64 rq bc it might be why I’m blue screening

[stoic island]

coil whine is generally not related to stability issues

[grave crescent]

Yeah I’m going insane with this

Hotspot is peaking at 99c while being stress tested while global is at 73c and there’s actually less buzzing with the stress test than I had before

It’s still more stable than it was since the gpu was also overheating g before but I’m so lost about this bsod. I’ve been got this thing built outside the case now just to make sure nothing was shorting on the case and that the gpu was fully seated

[stoic island]

coil whine is generally correlated with fps, stress tests are usually only really like 60fps, games where you can hit 200+ is where it becomes more obvious

[grave crescent]

Ah ok

I just was able to play 2 rounds of fn and the second one the game started freezing and stuttering and dropped to like 2fps and audio was stuttering too before my screen just went black and keyboard and mouse turned off

Pc just restarted no blue screen or anything

[grave crescent]

Now it’s gone no boot after it restarted from a windows memory diag test

Resetting cmos didn’t work

[formal girder]

@fallen sphinx really clean build and nice cable management and to top it off you had used a white/clearish zip ties to blend it in very nice choice

[fallen sphinx]

Ty ty, you don’t wanna see the inside but yeah 🙂

[formal girder]

Can’t be worse than mine lmao, it’s the reason I got a 5000D hidden cable compartment

[fallen sphinx]

I’m too lazy to unscrew part of the case

[formal girder]

You can see through, that’s 200% better

[plain cobalt]

mostly for the AIO above. 9900X is pretty toasty. 70C-ish in CB23 with MCE disable, power package around 165W. But burst to tjmax at 95C when enable MCE.
Only results in 200-300mhz more with power limit lifted. (240W-ish without power limit)

[weary galleon]

Keep in mind that Ryzen am5 chips are designed to sit at 95C under load, but yeah I suppose feeding that aio more air is good

[grave crescent]

I have a ram stick reporting a high of 250C in HWMonitor while I’ve been stress testing

Not sure when it happened or for how long but It doesn’t make sense because it’s sitting at 42c rn

[obsidian wigeon]

error in reporting would be most likely

if it was 250c it'd be smoking

[dusky hearth]

If you have more than one software monitoring sensor values, sometimes it's an error

Most of the time even

[grave crescent]

What I figured but I’m wondering why mostly because at this point I’m chasing every lead that might mean something

Next steps are buying a couple flash drives so I can run memtest86 and update bios but my bios is a 2024 version so I don’t see why it couldn’t handle anything I’ve got but still worth a shot I guess

[wide cobalt]

Can someone recommend some good motherboards for either Intel® Core™ i7-14700K or Intel® Core™ i5-14600K and a xfx swft 319 rx 6800,
Currently we have thison the list https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BZT9YDT8?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1 or the option to buy this used https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Z790-Motherboard-Supports-Processors/dp/B0BHCJ1QK8/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2EGJ1ULBFMYA2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.b6t0jzCe8LplcFhsbs1rB1PsvMx6BIRVhf3HtT1Y3ICv7kSVIteR6uTMUAJezb6WbWjrh3XLoakoKG6SMucUY7TDQV3X5i6zYiS4YqCsSXrgWa2SDuZJwWhA-zr8aGVSdyVthV1JQSw4D7LFCzfDO5FIzn959HB5pzlP_lA9gii2G0Hyn_n8LJpVHiW6vdDPt54TxJnvujgYoMx2ykSjSKeD42QsF5apNPTUHxMHyVAmg-YqjViZj_60Ut0o9iPaFtVAdhCCr5gXjtd1RsAZAyVj7W7lQ-cYDzoONQbAdUQ.Mi0M_y2PfgoOnJI4KzRCfGRhWpBCrARJ1-OgmtxwXIU&dib_tag=se&keywords=msi+mpg+z790+carbon+wifi&qid=1744383171&s=electronics&sprefix=msi+mpg+z790+carbon+wifi%2Celectronics%2C139&sr=1-2, for reference they are offering th last motherboard and the Intel® Core™ i7-14700K together for 450 used, where we were planning to buy Intel® Core™ i5-14600K new on amazon for 200 and the other motherboard for 179, any thoughts?

[mystic dune]

<@&1344087154988421151> i think this is the right techie that you can get some help from

[fallen sphinx]

I wouldn’t go with Intel

[wide cobalt]

I know, but for the price point these are the best options i could find and they are local

[fallen sphinx]

You also need a much better cooler than amd CPUs, depends on what you do but I really wouldn’t go with Intel

[naive latch]

Any good cheap 1440p monitor suggestions

[chrome nest]

I got u

Got it for 180$

[naive latch]

Just ordered that one like 45 mins ago😭

[chrome nest]

Actually?

💀

[naive latch]

Yeah

[grave crescent]

Could my ssd possibly be causing random bsod and windows to stop responding sometimes? My ram has passed memtest86 and nothing is overheating as far as what’s being reported to me but my drive has been failing to get through chkdsk c: /f /r /x

It won’t run with windows on but when I open it in the advanced options before booting to windows it fails at step 4 with a couple errors

Brand new Klevv CRAS c910

[stoic island]

Run testmem5 with anta777 config for ram testing, SSD being dead is possible but generally less likely

[shut rampart]

What does this mean

how do I fix this

[stoic island]

Run chkdsk with the /r flag to try and repair

[shut rampart]

ran chkdsk /f & /r and restarted both time both took less then 2mins to finished but still errors

[forest lava]

If your GPU were to just suddenly disconnect, could that cause your PC as a whole to just shut down?

Like

Not shut down, but go completely blackout, with all peripherals losing lights, with only the case fans remaining on

I'm theorizing that my issues are coming from my GPU having a potential connection issue

[stoic island]

anything not meant for hotswap being disconnected can cause it to shut down

[forest lava]

That's what I expected. I'm theorizing that I keep getting full system failures because there could potentially be something wrong with my GPU connection. I noticed one time during a COD DX12 crash that my refresh rate dropped to 60, matching along with what happens whenever my pc switches to my igpu

I also sometimes hear the windows disconnect sound randomly during productivity use, shortly after a full screen frame freeze

[stoic island]

If your monitor is plugged into your GPU, there's nothing that can swap it to the iGPU

But uh the symptoms in general just sound like bad drivers

[forest lava]

That's... Even odder then. I've had times where my windows settings doesn't recognize my dgpu after a system failure and drops my refresh to 60hz

[forest lava]

I'm not sure how I'd fix this. I've DDUed my PC who knows how many times at this point

Even updates since November hasn't fixed the issue

[stoic island]

that sounds like driver issues once again, you may notice that after DDU and restarting, before installing drivers again, refresh rate will reset and it won't be recognized as whatever it is, likely show up as "microsoft basic graphics adapter" or something of that sort

What GPU is it?

[forest lava]

RX 6800

[stoic island]

Don't think there are known issues on current driver versions, but it's still possible that it's a driver issue, I'd try to roll back drivers to what you last remember being stable

[forest lava]

I've had these issues since building it. I rebuilt it using different cables the first time I noticed it but nothing's fixed it so far

[stoic island]

I'd try reseating your CPU then

[forest lava]

Wish I did that when I repasted it yesterday

am5 can be seated wrong?

[stoic island]

there can be weird things with bad contact on CPU leading to weird stuff if some of the pins responsible for the PCIe bus don't have good contact, it has mainly showed up on lga1700 with contact frames

[night aspen]

Im new to this server and building PC's, I asked two friends who knew a decent bit and one made me a list of parts he thinks is pretty good but he said I should double check somewhere like here, is this the right channel to do something like that in this server?

[plucky timber]

Yes

[night aspen]

Alright

CPU:AMD Ryzen 7 9700X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken 360 78.02 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (He said that this one might be water cooled which can be somewhat high maintenance which I don't exactly want if possible)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B650-PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5200 CL40 Memory
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card
Case: CORSAIR 6500D AIRFLOW Mid-Tower Dual Chamber PC Case OR Fractal Design North XL ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply: MSI MAG A650GL 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

This is the full list of parts that we picked out

[plucky timber]

oh boy

[night aspen]

I was told by another friend it should have 2+ fans, and gen 5 m.2 lane on the motherboard (unsure what this is)

[plucky timber]

the choice of parts is understandable

but far from optimal

[night aspen]

Do you have any recommendations?

[plucky timber]

I'll revamp the list and explain the differences

[night aspen]

Alright, thank you a bunch

Also, my budget is 2.6K but keeping it around 2-2.3K would be best

[plucky timber]

You'll be surprised with the final price

[night aspen]

I am excited to see it then

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dN63jn

I'm not happy about the gpu price

I'd look around for a better priced gpu but in this market it's pretty difficult

But anyways

I've swapped the 9700X out for a 7700 because for some reason the 9700X is at $319

which, for the marginal gains, is not worth the extra cost

the CPU cooler is completely unnecessary, and if you do prefer a liquid cooler for aesthetic reasons, I could provide some recommendations for that if you'd like

The memory is a huge one

1. DDR5 5200 CL40 is... pretty bad by DDR5 standarsd

2. It is corsair vengeance, which is pretty much the WORST memory kits you can buy

for the GPU I just swapped it out for a better priced one... still not optimal but the current gpu market is on fire

I've kept the case

Final price $1588.81

outperforms the original list

for quite a bit less

[night aspen]

Yeah I would prefer no liquid cooler if it is unnecessary

[plucky timber]

there are advantages to both

I'd say you run the risk of the pump dying with liquid coolers

but generally that's not a concern

[dusky hearth]

More points for failure

[plucky timber]

but for the 9700X/7700X it's completely unnecessary

they're very efficient chips

props to AMD

[plucky timber]

got any GPU recs aside from the $699.99 5070?

the market gets worse every week I swear...

[dusky hearth]

I haven't kept up with the market since 2022 lol

[plucky timber]

It's a nightmare to keep up these days

with the constant price changes

[dusky hearth]

I gave up back then (since I already upgraded and bought everything I needed

)

[plucky timber]

at least msrp was still a thing back then

honestly I'm surprised there is $1.5k options in 2025

[dusky hearth]

Real (ish)

[plucky timber]

so the market is sorta... fine

ish...

with one gpu...

[dusky hearth]

Scalping still existed in 2022

Less than 2021 TBF

[plucky timber]

yeah but it wasn't as bad back then

you could at least get... something

without all this price inflation

[night aspen]

I dont know much, but I had heard some complaints about the 5070, are any of them reputable?

[plucky timber]

hmm

I've heard more complaints about the 5080 and 5090

[night aspen]

Other then that though, of course I do not know much but it looks great

[plucky timber]

I genuinely wouldn't recommend those

[dusky hearth]

What type of complaint

[plucky timber]

but the 5070 is solid in price/performance in 2025

[night aspen]

I never looked much into PC building until now, but it uses ai and that it isnt much better then the 4070 super

but i seriously dont know if that is or is not true

[night aspen]

I will take your word on it then, thanks

[dusky hearth]

Ahh

[plucky timber]

ehh?

I'm gonna double check some numbers

[dusky hearth]

Technically true but the AI is a feature only on some games

And you can disable it

[plucky timber]

the 5070 is roughly equal to the 9070 right?

someone fact check me

[night aspen]

ah ok, so it is of no issue

[plucky timber]

at $699 it's not ideal

I'd look around for better priced gpus tho

oh it's not available

wtf

[night aspen]

do you know when it may become available?

[plucky timber]

in this market?

who knows

[night aspen]

rip

[plucky timber]

2025 is a very bad year for gpus

[night aspen]

are there other alternatives you could maybe recommend just incase it isnt available for a bit?

[plucky timber]

not for $699

unless you are able to find any gpus for a similar price/cheaper

do you have access to a microcenter?

[night aspen]

im not sure

i planned on shopping on newegg for the parts

[night aspen]

about this, anything in specific you could recommend for me to look for when looking?

[plucky timber]

RTX 4070 TI
RTX 4080
RTX 5070
RX 7900 XT
RX 7900 XTX
RX 9070
RX 9070 XT

they vary in performance

current market sucks

[night aspen]

hmmm alright

[plucky timber]

You may also want to consider a used graphics card

[night aspen]

ill save those

[plucky timber]

Sounds stupid I know

but the market is so bad that we're seeing 1k+ pcs with used graphics cards

[night aspen]

well with your build, its already 500-700 beneath the price i want to keep it around

if I do have to spend a little more I can afford it and am fine with it

[plucky timber]

well the thing is

It's not worth that much (the gpu)

the market is just stupidly inflated because of various reasons

that 5070 I wouldn't recommend under ordinary prices

but the current market is so bad that $699 is somehow decent

[night aspen]

unfortunate

[stoic island]

going by MSRP, the 9070xt would be the exact same price as the 5070 in the list, but by current in stock prices....

[plucky timber]

yeah they go for $1k+

sometimes double the msrp

[stoic island]

some stick around for hours at ~800 on amazon sometimes

[night aspen]

hmm, well overall the pc looks great but I will keep an eye out for any of the gpu's you recommended at a decent price

Thanks a bunch for the help, and hope you have a good day or night

[plucky timber]

Good luck with the gpu hunt

[night aspen]

thanks

[obsidian wigeon]

9070 is a bit better

[plucky timber]

Hmm

[obsidian wigeon]

and the gap is even further shown when there's games that uses up more than 12 gigs of vram

[plucky timber]

Sadly the price shot up

Couldn't even find 9070s at $699 anymore

We live in a cope market

$699 gpus are the norm now

Reminder that $699 was the msrp of the 1080ti

[lean thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/26MPh7 hows my list

[crimson zinc]

Maybe just change the nvme to a little cheaper, and you’re fine

[velvet hatch]

when plugging in cpu fan rgb header, does it matter which motherboard rgb header you plug it into? also if the motherboard only has one 3-pin rgb header do i need to daisy chain the cpu fan rgb with the case fan rgb?

[obsidian wigeon]

you can buy a hub

but daisy chaining also works

you wouldn't be able to get different rgb effects tho

it'd sync with the case fan

[tawny violet]

IIRC even with a hub it would sync

Unless it's a mfing Corsair hub but then you have iCRINGE

[barren flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2VDPnp can someone please rate this build

And possibly help me improve it?

[fallen sphinx]

What the…

[hollow gulch]

👎

What's your budget

[stoic island]

What's your goal for it and do you already have any of the parts?

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bMKPh7 idk where the 4080 super is coming from so

[fallen sphinx]

Why is the ssd so expensive for 2TB

[hollow gulch]

Theirs was even more expensive

P41 one of the best gen4 drives

[plucky timber]

wtf

$89 for a unifan

[plucky timber]

What is your budget and what are you using the computer for?

[grave crescent]

never got any errors when testing ram but it wouldnt get further than partway through pass 2 on testmem5 so i pulled a stick and did it again and it crashed, so i switched sticks and so far good results. My best guess for this is bad ram stick? its branmd new but not unheard of i guess

dude wtf no lie right after i sent that i tried to open task manager and my pc froze and restarted itself

[stoic island]

you can check the log.txt in tm5's folder if it just disappears when you get back to it, and it'll log if it had any errors

[barren flint]

3500-4000 for just gaming

[barren flint]

Gaming I have none of them wanted a review of it before I bought anything

A friend made it for me and I honestly wasn’t very trusting of it

[stoic island]

IF you are sure you want 4k oled, and you like the fishtank look, this would be a start
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yffM2x

the 9070xt is a placeholder, GPU availability and prices are terrible rn

I'd recommend going 1440p oled, but it's up to you

You'll prob want a slightly better GPU for 4k oled, there's $1500-2000 of budget left for the GPU, wouldn't really recommend 4090/5080 in general, but there's not exactly any other options at the top end rn

[crimson zinc]

I’d think going 4090 would be a safer bet, due to pricing difference in the 5080

[plucky timber]

Rightfully so

Above $3000 in current market conditions will get you little to no performance per $100 spent over a certain threshold

Even if you had the money

I wouldn't spend over $2000 on the pc (not including monitor)

Maybe $2500 max

I'd go with Mr1111's list

GPU would be the trickiest part

The current GPU market is absolutely bonkers

[raven pebble]

Will this be an okay way to mount an aio? (I know the brackets are on upside down rn cause cpu is still in transit)

[stoic island]

Nothing wrong with top mount

[raven pebble]

How the pump would be mounted on cpu most are on right but since I have an astral card I'm trying for there not to be a lot of slack where top fan on gpu is which is why I put the pump lines on the left side

[topaz rose]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zYgXZc is this good for my friend, he uses his pc for VR, he runs a 3560x7120 VR

he alr got the ssd and stuff

[stoic island]

that's fine

doesn't matter too much where the tubes come out

[hollow gulch]

Budget?

This is an odd build...

[raven prism]

GUYS

sorry

does anyone have any good recommendations of pc cases i can get size of the case mid tower im trying to build my first pc for my bday

and not trying to mess it up lol

just need one thatll keep my parts well over time

thoughts opinions appreciated thanks

oh wait is this wrong chat

[topaz rose]

It doesn’t exist 😭😭 end quote

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hFrHQd added his ssds

[grave crescent]

If I replace my motherboard what brand would be safest to go with? I was thinking about a msi b850 tomahawk max or some AsRock motherboard for a little more affordable option

I’m just not confident in this sketchy reman msi x670 board

[barren flint]

I don’t really want anything from the build my friend just made it and wanted to know if it’s any good if things need to be replaced with what you think is better I’d greatly appreciate it

[fallen sphinx]

wtf

[topaz rose]

my friend has... alot of money for his very expensive VR hobby

he makes 16gb vram.. not enough

[fallen sphinx]

Damn

Also I have bad news

My pc is broken

😦

[analog hearth]

uh oh

what happened?

[fallen sphinx]

Bricked motherboard or ram

[analog hearth]

bruh

how'd that happen?

[fallen sphinx]

Great question

[analog hearth]

What's the PC's behavior?

[fallen sphinx]

Bootloop with no ssd or usb in

I troubleshot for 20 hours this weekend…

[analog hearth]

I mean it's not going to boot without storage lol

[fallen sphinx]

Bios

[analog hearth]

Do you have a bootable USB?

[fallen sphinx]

It reset bios every single time I turned it on, and when the ssd or usb was in it boot loops

[analog hearth]

hmmm

[analog hearth]

I mean the POST screen shows up for a split second. Have you tried spamming the BIOS key?

[fallen sphinx]

I can get into bios

This video was after I selected the boot drive

[analog hearth]

Oh gotcha

uhhh

That's odd behavior

[fallen sphinx]

I’ve tried quite literally everything…

[analog hearth]

Pull CMOS?

[fallen sphinx]

Yup

Wait

You mean reset?

[analog hearth]

(PSU off during this btw) Take the battery out, leave the computer unplugged, press and hold the power button (PC will be on for like a split second, wait for it to turn fully off, then let go of the power button)

[fallen sphinx]

I don’t believe I’ve done that