building-and-recc-chat

[dusky hearth]

https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/releases/download/v4.6/rufus-4.6p.exe
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 (scroll down to the bottom for iso)

(download both things first, and prepare a usb drive)

1. run rufus
2. connect usb drive and select it in the device in rufus
3. boot selection select "disk or iso image", then click select and pick the location of where the iso is downloaded to
4. make sure partition scheme is set to GPT, file system NTFS
5. click start
6. a window should pop up, and you should select "remove requirement for online microsoft account", "disable data collection", and "Set a local account with the same name as this user" (or if you want, you could just check all of those boxes)
7. click ok and wait till it's complete (may take up to an hour depending on how slow your usb stick is, though usually more like 15 minutes for the average usb drive nowadays iirc)

[violet nexus]

Thank you so much, I’m so frustrated by this pc at the moment, it’s so slow and I just need it to be in the SSD and not HDD I’m crashing

[drifting pebble]

Use the media. Reaction tool

Creation

[dusky hearth]

the media creation tool is kinda meh

[snow dragon]

a620i lightning back in stock a couple days ago

[snow dragon]

Insane
https://a.co/d/2emRRpw

[potent portal]

That's just the motherboard and CPU too

An older model at that, but still quite competent

[snow dragon]

Its as fast as a 9900x in cinebench while consuming 100w

Pretty ridiculous

[tawny violet]

And there is an X3D variant in case you wanna play games

2.5g LAN, two 2.0 Type A, two 3.2 Gen1 Type A, one 3.2 Gen2 Type C with DP Alt
HDMI 2.1 + DP 1.4
Two 4pin PWM headers, front USB 3.2 Gen1 header
Two SO-DIMM slots too

It looks pretty competent lmao

Rear IO

I mean sure you would probably want to use the Type C for some sort of USB hub to have more ports, but it's definitely not bad

goes for 680 euros for the EU with free shipping for the X3D variant

[snow dragon]

Yeah there isnt a lot of usb really but very good for what it is

[snow dragon]

Bro what where

Oh on their own website

Thats just ridiculous

[plucky timber]

mini pc?

👀

I honestly want a ryzen or intel one

with a crap ton of cores

(leaning intel because core count and qsv)

I'm currently running a 4c/4t haswell

😔

that's not a lot of cores when I want to run multiple vms

honestly I just need raw core count

N100 is like $120-$150 for 4c/4t

honestly not bad

they're speedy cores but sadly only quad cores

looks like for raw core count/$ it's still better to go for older platforms

sad

price on coffee lake is kinda mid ngl

getting close to the 8 core ryzens

💀

decent one

although shipping kills it for me

the coffee lake quad cores might be better priced

[tawny violet]

that one is a 16 core

you can make like 4 VMs with a quad-core each

[plucky timber]

wait what?

wtf??

how much is it?

[tawny violet]

the Minisforum one

[plucky timber]

680 euros?

that's not even bad

[tawny violet]

500 USD

[plucky timber]

It costs more to build a pc

with an older architecture

[tawny violet]

it's without memory or storage tho

so that's BYO

[plucky timber]

nah that's like dirt cheap tho

imma try to make a cheap list to see how it compares

is it 16c/24t or 16c/16t

[tawny violet]

okay uhhh

the X3D variant is 750 USD from Amazon

[plucky timber]

eh

not a big deal

depends on the use case tbh

X3D kinda not worth it

[tawny violet]

non-X3D for 463 USD with a 16 core Zen 4

https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-motherboard

[plucky timber]

uh

that's 8c/16t

[tawny violet]

No

It's 16

Amazon's listing it wrong

[plucky timber]

oh

I got embed trolled

for $463 that's a steal

[tawny violet]

it's the same processor as the SCAR 17 X3D had

from Minisforum directlyy

600 for X3D
465 for non-X3D

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MCqFxg

this is the cheapest I could do

without compromising too much

I wonder how much the final price for the non X3D is

cuz it's just ram and ssd right?

shouldn't be that different in price

• it consumes less power

[tawny violet]

SO-DIMM memory, storage, case and PSU

[plucky timber]

to be fair it's not a full mini pc so

[tawny violet]

and a GPU if you wanna game

[plucky timber]

it'd probably cost around the same tbh

[plucky timber]

oh

that kinda depreciates the value a bit

leaning more towards cheap intel tbh

[tawny violet]

Depending on what you wanna do

But for a gaming rig, that is like

[plucky timber]

homelabbing basically

[tawny violet]

almost unbeatable value

[plucky timber]

oh yeah for gaming it's a beast

ryzen has a massive advantage

hmm

I wonder how good it would be as a gaming server host

Ryzen would be better for that

[tawny violet]

probably quite well

[plucky timber]

it's efficient too

you can have a cluster of these

[tawny violet]

it can take up to 96 gigs of memory too

[plucky timber]

running minecraft servers or whatever

[tawny violet]

2 SSD slots

[plucky timber]

run an entire server farm in your closet

[plucky timber]

wtf?

in that form factor?

based?

[tawny violet]

ye

dual PCIE 5.0

[plucky timber]

the fact that it's on par in value to the intel is amazing

and I cheaped the hell out of that intel list

20 cores but obviously slower cores

just depends on use case really

faster cores vs more cores

honestly can do both with the minisforum

16 cores is plenty

14th gen does have the disadvantage of having only 8 p cores

[tawny violet]

That board is kinda nuts

[plucky timber]

wait

[tawny violet]

2.5g networking, BT5.3 and Wifi6E, 16 cores and X3D for 700 bucks

[plucky timber]

IS THAT A FULL PCIE x16 SLOT

WTF

[tawny violet]

Yes!

[plucky timber]

based?

[tawny violet]

Two PCIe5.0 x4 SSD slots AND a full X16 5.0 PCIE

[plucky timber]

hmm

would be cool if it has bifurcation

[tawny violet]

It'd be stupid not to ngl

[plucky timber]

It's amazing the amount of power you can get in these modern mini pcs

like

these days you're almost always going to have an excess of bandwidth

not like a small excess either

MASSIVE

[tawny violet]

I kinda wonder what the smallest gaming PC is that you can make with it

[plucky timber]

can it cool passively tho

[tawny violet]

it is a standard ITX case

[plucky timber]

could probably use the igpu

or

briefcase pc

would be a hell of a sleeper

plugs in briefcase

9070XT power

[tawny violet]

it looks like no bifurcation tho

[plucky timber]

AND it can run a server in the same rig

[tawny violet]

Which is STUPID

[plucky timber]

oh what?

that's actually dumb

[tawny violet]

okay Reddit seems to think it does

[plucky timber]

do we trust reddit tho

[tawny violet]

it's a question mark but I'd be shocked if it didn't

Would be a massive own goal

[plucky timber]

yeah like

this thing is perfect for home lab users

[tawny violet]

apparently release bios didn't have support, but a later one enabled it

[plucky timber]

they'd be shooting themselves in the foot

[tawny violet]

cuz it's like

a power limited 7950X3D in there

[plucky timber]

interesting

[tawny violet]

except both CCDs are X3D iirc

[plucky timber]

but like with this limited amount of expansion

you'd think that bifurcation would be a must

[tawny violet]

I mean yeah, they probably got yelled at by users and added it later

[plucky timber]

lmao

I wonder if it can be cooled passively tho

[tawny violet]

I don't believe so

[plucky timber]

aww

[tawny violet]

although...

the board seems to come without a fan

(?)

[plucky timber]

I mean it is a mobile cpu

and this heatsink is massive compared to what goes in laptops

[tawny violet]

Ut doesn't appear to come with a fan

But there is a bracket to mount one

[plucky timber]

It's a 55w tdp cpu

[tawny violet]

Maybe?

[plucky timber]

it is possible

tdp doesn't say much but like

you can probably run it passively

maybe underclock and undervolt it a bit

[tawny violet]

it's between the 7900X and the 7950X in synthetics

stock

[plucky timber]

wtf?

I want that mobile silicon

[tawny violet]

but ye

it doesn't come with a fan but it has the brackets included

I guess that means it does run passively

[plucky timber]

honestly possible to run it passively

[tawny violet]

might get more OC headroom if using fan

[plucky timber]

I'd honestly love one of these

even if I have to underclock and undervolt it slightly

[tawny violet]

it's 600 USD

[plucky timber]

having a silent server would be great

[tawny violet]

you can just order it

[plucky timber]

yeah

I don't have 600 usd sadly

gonna save up

maybe I'll get the next minisfourm

whenever that comes out

[tawny violet]

that board with a Reaper 9070 XT and a 750 SFX would be like incredible

[tawny violet]

CH160 would make for a solid case

even has a cute handle

but yes

Briefcase build can be real

[plucky timber]

I'd love to make a briefcase homelab machine tbh

that way I can consolidate my nas and mini pc host into one

[tawny violet]

sadly no SATA on the board

Buuuuuuuuuut HBAs exist

[plucky timber]

that kinda sucks for compact builds

but at the same time

🤷‍♂️

not a dealbreaker

I might keep the nas separate anyways

not a fan of moving hdds around anyways

considering how portable machines usually means that they'll be occasionally plopped down

or shaken around a bunch

still tho

briefcase homelab

like what linus did with his editing server

[tawny violet]

but ye

that board is based as hell

[plucky timber]

I'm a huge fan of compact stuff like this

This is my entire homelab

[tawny violet]

neat

[plucky timber]

Yeah I might add a second mini pc

Or not

I am eyeing up coffee lake

But they're pretty pricey

living that no HT quad core life

[analog hearth]

DAS or NAS? How much storage?

[tall shard]

do i need all my motherboard standoffs

[velvet hatch]

yo could anyone help me out with reviewing this budget gaming parts list. £1000 total budget for whole setup not just pc. cheers 🙏
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CYfWPJ

[mossy venture]

this is right on 1000, gives you better upgradability and 20% better cpu perf https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nyLZrM

one sec, gonna make a second option

also 1000, better monitor and psu, cpus still better than the 5600x https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LTjzWc

cpus as good as the 5600x, still get a better case https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/gv2dgn

bit cheaper than your inital list

also more ram

[velvet hatch]

thanks man, really appreciate it, is there one out of the first two you would recommend more than the other? hes upgrading from essentially a potato so any upgrade is gonna be massive

[mossy venture]

the am5 list with a good psu like the 750w in the second list would give him a lot of room for upgrading

though the mobo isn't fantastic either

oh i meant to change the case for the first list too

this is a decent bit over budget, but if he feels like spending for the extra upgradability https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/MyQ4GJ

can drop in a 9800x3d on that mobo without issue, or whatever amd releases next gen, and almost any gpu on that psu

[velvet hatch]

ill speak to him and see what he wants, thanks a lot man youre a lifesaver 🙏

[mossy venture]

np

[velvet hatch]

i spoke to him and he wants to spend a bit more for upgradeability and hes sitting at around £1030 but he also needs to buy a keyboard too. is there any way to cheapen this list a bit while still having good upgrade path?

[plucky timber]

NAS, 8TB

[mossy venture]

1st option
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/HbDYwY

Cheaper, you either need to downgrade motherboard which will affect upgradability, or downgrade to a single 16gb stick of ram and add a second stick of the same ram later on

Actually here, this mobo is just as good, just needs a separate wifi card which i included
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/KrX8XR

Cheaper
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2pp6mC

[molten ferry]

Not sure what chat to ask this in but I have a red and yellow light on my motherboard and my pc isn’t showing a display

[molten ferry]

I have take my ram out and re set it same with my cpi and my gpu all nothing

Tried resetting the cmos that didn’t work

[potent portal]

What motherboard and CPU? It might need a BIOS update

[molten ferry]

B650 tomahawk and a and rizen 5 7600

7600x I believe

Have had it for about 2 years

How do I get to bios with no display

[potent portal]

https://youtu.be/iTkXunUAriE?si=0CuRaWzbflnx0piy

[violet nexus]

Using Rufus to make a usb but I don’t see a spot to change MBR to GPT, file system NTFS

I’m not sure what to do

[violet nexus]

The only one that lets me change it is when I change the IOS option to Non bootable

[potent portal]

You need to select an image first

[violet nexus]

What do you mean by that?

[stoic island]

it lets you change the options in order, need to select something first

[potent portal]

Click where it says "Disk or ISO image (please select)" and tell it Windows 11

[left wing]

can someone suggest some pc building tutorials

assume im a complete beginner and know nothing about it

[violet nexus]

Is it supposed to say windows 11?

I am watching a video Ben

Brb

[potent portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1fxZ-VWs2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8LMML_EiMg

[violet nexus]

Okay so it was downloading and now I think it finished?

The bar is fully green am I okay to take it out of the pc to finish tomorrow?

That’s the fully downloaded file on the usb stick

What are my next steps to making my SSD my boot drive?

[chrome nest]

Fire video

[vague oracle]

The verge

[merry turtle]

Does anyone have any recommendations for a decent-good pre-built gaming desktop, preferably has 2 tb ssd but 1 would be fine. Budget of 1k-1.2k?

[drifting pebble]

USA?

https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiO0dPEz7OMAxUMY0cBHUFeJt0YABAbGgJxdQ&co=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw16O_BhDNARIsAC3i2GDNXPKxS29ZI4ptxllqdPXih-7DugXuvMW7h6D3Tai7IzsgdBvQVhgaAo7zEALw_wcB&ei=syzqZ6zXFP3l5NoPnbm_sQ8&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESeOD23Lf1ami806y7xV62DFdq0qRMDsE7IZUbOx48dZxDxNxazbbEKCpwJfDkHnbOSQSfyfKwWUXo2LPrbw3CEQrlcMpF6qtkDquZ3jfgZbZohR_957yfQEIJ9JcLq6MkxQ3YRaT7kZzYrowR-hvhK99xkgf28FcvcA&sig=AOD64_0EnNpPgIBSxL9yKLyXeVNvYJ5Zaw&ctype=5&q=&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjs_M3Ez7OMAxX9MlkFHZ3cL_YQwg8oAHoECAYQYQ&adurl=

[snow dragon]

The hell

Did brotha man link an ad

[drifting pebble]

It leads to the prebuilt

[merry turtle]

@drifting pebble yeah the usa

[tawny violet]

@vague oracle I need you to explain this to me https://ssupd.co/products/accessories-extender-bracket

TF do it do?

and can I combine that with the 360mm bracket to have like

all the IO AND the rad outwards?

oh wait

I see it now

it's meant to allow for extra thicc internal 280

[plucky timber]

What is the meaning of this

Stop collecting my data

[snow dragon]

[wide drum]

A 4060 would beat a 3080 right?

[mossy venture]

No

4060 loses to the 3060 ti

4060 ti matches or loses to the 3070

[wide drum]

ah ok, that makes more sense i guess. i saw some 4060 prebuilts at costco yesterday for 1k

[hollow gulch]

It's not even close no the 3080 is a lot better, including the mid 10gb model

[hollow gulch]

You are better off building, are you open to receiving guidance?

[wide drum]

I didn't pay attention to the 4x models so wasn't sure how big the jump was. Still feels weird that my 3080 build might be worth 1k-1200

[merry turtle]

@hollow gulch Unfortunately it's for my brother who doesn't have much time and has 3 kids in the house so he can't build it

[hollow gulch]

Dm, i could also help you find a prebuilt if not

[snow dragon]

Its so brutal man

Not even faster than the ti model

At least that man

[cyan ravine]

Wait until you see the 5060 get basically 4060 ti performance

Can predict it from a mile away lmao

[stoic island]

Wait for 4060ti to beat 5060

[snow dragon]

I found it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1158105811604754493/1328584929520386169/image.png?ex=67ec1763&is=67eac5e3&hm=57054a71eeae50cdbaa8bf0ceb4649e1b3ad676b234b97a303e1d9894c5a1244&

Yeah I guess like 4060 ti basically

[drifting pebble]

3800 build guide https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7WCGHW

[mossy venture]

No.

[drifting pebble]

Why

Best productivity and gaming combo

[stoic island]

you end up getting best of neither lol

ccd to ccd latency makes it slightly worse than 9800x3d in gaming

the extra money could've been spent on a better GPU

the case is overpriced and not good at the same time

the mobo is way too overpriced

[analog hearth]

The best decision on that list is the fans lol

[hollow gulch]

this... is not good

[hollow gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bNhVC8 assuming gpu msrp, no one should pay the current prices

[snow dragon]

Only sometimes

A lot of the time it is a little bit faster

In some other workloads it is faster than the 9950x somehow

Core parking issue is more or less fixed now

[stoic island]

It's still slower on average from that kicking in once in a while, the base and boost clocks are lower too. It's still barely behind 9800x3d.

[snow dragon]

Hmm

Gn showed it be behind or ahead by a couple % depending on the title

I still think its worth for people that need it

Its not like last gen

[stoic island]

still behind on average

[snow dragon]

Interesting

[stoic island]

it has its wins here and there, like ahead in bg3, stalker 2, and starfield, but with very small margins

[rigid oracle]

installed a new network card in my PC, i can connect to a network but not the internet

i’m on linux so idk it could be a driver thing but the drivers for the card are built into the kernel

so idk

might return the card if i can’t get it working

[plucky timber]

What does ip link say?

[rigid oracle]

network card is up, i have an IP and a MAC address

just no internet connection

booted into another linux distro and my connection worked fine tho

[plucky timber]

Sounds like a config issue

[rigid oracle]

is there a way to reset my config

i also dont have dhclient could that be it

[plucky timber]

Perhaps

[rigid oracle]

installed that, tried to get a new lease, nothing

also nuked my network-manager configs and reinstalled network manager

nothing

explodes

wait i got it

i think it was some iptables thing 💀

[rigid oracle]

after days of banging my head against a wall it was as simple as that 💀

lol

[plucky timber]

💀

Average linux networking experience

[foggy walrus]

got a build qq

I purchased this build last year and the case does not allow me to add more fans. I have three in the front and an exit fan. I am running around 90c when I game heavy. I have no clue on a new case with cooling system that I should buy.

Operating System: Windows 11 Home
CPU: Intel Core i9 13900KF 3.0GHz (5.8GHz Turbo Boost Max) 8 P-Core, 16 E-Core, 32-Thread
GPU: Gigabyte RTX 4090 Windforce V2 with support for DLSS 3.0 - AI-Powered Performance
Motherboard: MSI Z790 Edge Wifi
RAM: TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB DDR5 6000 MHz (2x16GB)
SSD: MSI 2TB NVMe SSD
CPU Cooler: TT 360MM RGB AIO Liquid Cooler
PSU: ABS 1000W 80+ Gold ATX 3.0
Case: ABS Tempest V350 Snow White
Dimension: 18.70" x 8.66" x 18.15"
WiFi: Yes
Bluetooth: Yes
VR Ready: Yes

I purchased:
TRYX Panorama 360 ARGB White 360mm AIO 6.5'' AMOLED Curved Screen 3D Anamorphic Effect Display

But it did not fit the case so I returned it.

The question: Should I buy a new case with a new cooling system or is 90C pretty normal....

Appreciate the help in advance

[plucky timber]

As long as it's not thermal throttling

90c under heavy load is normal

[mossy venture]

Have you updated bios and or redone thermal paste?

[hollow gulch]

its a hot chip, 90c is too hot for the 13900k

[foggy walrus]

yes and yes

[mossy venture]

Alr

[foggy walrus]

it only runs that way on POE2 game

all other games it is fine

[foggy walrus]

yes

[foggy walrus]

what should it be?

[foggy walrus]

What does ALR mean?

[hollow gulch]

whats the voltage at while doing this

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yZpQzy/sama-3509-atx-mid-tower-case-3509w

[hollow gulch]

do you know how to look

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rzbRsY/sama-sv01-atx-mid-tower-case-sv-01-white

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cMWJ7P/montech-sky-two-gx-atx-mid-tower-case-skytwogxw

There's more options if you're not a fan of any of those

Using pcpartpicker to sort by compatible cases with a 360mm aio, your mobo and your gpu added

[foggy walrus]

This is what I see right now. Havent tested the V while it is at 90 c

[mossy venture]

Gotta dm him or me the pic

[foggy walrus]

well, can't post a picture of it

[mossy venture]

Can't post any till you level up

[foggy walrus]

lol

[hollow gulch]

😭

[mossy venture]

If its over 1.35v that's probably the issue

Woohooz knows more than me about voltages and undervolting though

[foggy walrus]

just sent both DMs

[mossy venture]

Download hwinfo64

[hollow gulch]

yeah idk what the guy sent is but use this

https://www.hwinfo.com/

[mossy venture]

Lmao got it confused with systeminfo64

Mb

[foggy walrus]

both links go to the same place

[mossy venture]

?

[hollow gulch]

yeah?

wdym

i meant i didnt know what u were using @foggy walrus

[foggy walrus]

got it

what do I do next?

[hollow gulch]

well do what u were before

with it at 90c

and look at core voltage in sensors on hwinfo

[foggy walrus]

Ok cpu core voltage?

1.43

[hollow gulch]

and whats your cpu temp at

[foggy walrus]

85

[snow dragon]

Nah thats normal

[foggy walrus]

lol ok

so I am ok?

[hollow gulch]

i mean no, for a desktop chip thats hot

[foggy walrus]

what would you recommend?

I am an old man gamer

so any help is appreciated

[hollow gulch]

i mean you said 85 thats not as bad, and your cpu voltage is a bit high but its within normal range, undervolting would help with that though

[foggy walrus]

that's BIOS work..I can do that

Thanks for the help.

I'll come back after I try this, if it doesn't work.

[violet nexus]

Hey! I got windows onto the usb, what would be my next steps to put windows fresh on my pc with my new boot driver as my SSD nit my HDD

[nocturne ravine]

Hello, i got a question, when the pc beeps alot like 2 times what does it mean?

[hollow gulch]

make sure in bios its #1 boot priority

then just let the pc boot into it

[violet nexus]

Am I just restating it? I’ve never done this before. Or is there a good yt video I can watch

[violet nexus]

I have the boot priority as the usb that has the clean windows on it

Is this correct to make it install the new windows?

What would I do next to make sure my HDD no longer gets used so I can use my SSD instead to run the way I want it to

I feel bad for bothering this chat a lot but I’m not sure what to do

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[tawny violet]

AM5 chips are designed to run at 95°C 24/7 for their entire lifetime

So like 85-90 CAN be okay depending on the architecture and such

[weary galleon]

For anyone curious:

https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/ryzen-7000-series-processors-let-s-talk-about-power-temperature/ba-p/554629

[manic cloak]

So I recently "undervolted" (1.25v) my 13600k and everythings been going great except for Helldivers 2 atm

I used to have about 144-180fps with my settings before frame gen, currently i'm barely getting 60fps WITH frame gen

I don't know if there's a fix to this?

[hollow gulch]

Doesn't mean it's good for them. It's less than ideal

[tawny violet]

I mean
If they're designed for it
Lower temps are kind of just a flex

Besides
AMD designed these chips to boost TO 95°C

As per AMD itself:

In short
It pedantically doesn't mean it's good

However it's NOT bad for them because they WANT to be there to perform the best

For enthusiasts, getting a Ryzen 7000 chip below 95 is like a sort of bragging rights thing

[jagged ember]

They were literally designed for constant operation at that temperature

Is fiine

[jagged ember]

Like watercooled SSDs

[tawny violet]

PCIE Gen5 SSD might unironically need it lol

[jagged ember]

We've come full circle lmao

[tawny violet]

it's kinda crazy tbf, but in a way sensible

there is a LOT of power flowing through that little SSD when going full bore

like 5.0 SSDs can literally thermal throttle

[drifting pebble]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XDMJRV

[fallen sphinx]

NZXT case 👎
Overpay for psu
What’s with those ssd

And why is that mobo so expensive 😭

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z2n3db

[crimson zinc]

Get this @drifting pebble

[hollow gulch]

It's within spec, doesn't mean it's good for it, once again, degradation is about multiple factors time, temperature, wattage, amperage etc.

[hollow gulch]

They will perform better at a lower temperature

[tawny violet]

That's misinformation

Again if you read the blog post

[hollow gulch]

It's not but alright

[jagged ember]

I don't know if that's necessarily true?

[tawny violet]

These chips BOOST TO 95°C because that is where they perform the best safely

[mossy venture]

Depends on the specific cpu and load

[tawny violet]

AMD spelled it out

[jagged ember]

At some point cooling is just diminishing returns until you pump up the voltage and overclock it

[tawny violet]

It's really not that difficult

[mossy venture]

7800x3d performs within 3% of itself when compared between an amd stock cooler and a phantom spirit 120

[hollow gulch]

I can do nothing but adjust my fan curve, 100% fan and pump speed on my aio and that will score better than my curve everytime. It's also about the extra performance you'd be able to squeeze out overclocking, having a lower temperature will help.

[jagged ember]

But then you could argue overclocking is bad for it too

Since it's running beyond spec

[hollow gulch]

Undervolting isn't a bad thing

[jagged ember]

You never mentioned undervolting until just then

[hollow gulch]

Most people would use PBO

Assuming zen4/5

[hollow gulch]

It's apart of overclocking as well?

[jagged ember]

we all know pbo is still not overclocking tho

[tawny violet]

I mean when you come with degradation as an argument it kinda ridicules itself considering Intel managed to make a CPU that's entirely eager and willing to destroy itself on the first boot BEFORE you install windows and before you can do anything to stop it unless you flash the bios BEFORE first boot

[hollow gulch]

Yes it is

What

[jagged ember]

Okay that's a really valid point Lmao

[tawny violet]

Like

[jagged ember]

Pbo just makes the cpu boost for longer

[tawny violet]

It's not complicated

[hollow gulch]

That's overclocking lmao

You just described

The word

Overclocking

[tawny violet]

No?????

[jagged ember]

No??

[hollow gulch]

Oml

[tawny violet]

That's just a lie my guy

[jagged ember]

That's running at max frequency for longer Lmao

Overclock is going beyond the frequency limits

[tawny violet]

Overclocking is INCREASING the max frequency

PBO just gets THAT SAME freq for longer

[jagged ember]

Or voltage or whatever

[hollow gulch]

Amd counts it as overclocking, if you use pbo it voids warranty, as does static oc, but they could never know

[tawny violet]

No?

They were slapped for ever saying that

[jagged ember]

That's for the consumers sake they call it that lmak

[hollow gulch]

Any raise in frequency would be an overclock, it may not fit your specific term

[jagged ember]

Then yeah they got crapped on

[tawny violet]

It's not raising the frequency tho?

[jagged ember]

Cause they tried to oversimplify to the point it's technically misinfo

[tawny violet]

It's giving you THE SAME frequency for more time

Undervolting is more overclocking than PBO ever was

[hollow gulch]

Bro what?? You realize there is a 200mhz+ override

[mossy venture]

PBO is overclocking

[tawny violet]

Objectively speaking

[hollow gulch]

Pbo is overclocking

[mossy venture]

Precision boost overdrive

It is ocing

[hollow gulch]

You are just wrong

Idk how this is an argument

There's a clockspeed increase

[jagged ember]

Is it?

[tawny violet]

So then the same undervolting
That you CHERISH so much

Is even MORE overclocking

Can't have it both ways

[mossy venture]

Its an automatic OC, yes

[hollow gulch]

Mind blown

[tawny violet]

If you consider OC bad
And undervolt is good.
Then you're just bullcrapping

[jagged ember]

My understanding is it must go beyond factory set frequency limits

[hollow gulch]

It does

[jagged ember]

For it to be overclocking

[hollow gulch]

By 200mhz

[jagged ember]

Last I remember it just keeps it at factory max for longer

[tawny violet]

Because again
What you seem to not realize

Is that with PB2
Lowering the voltage INCREASES frequency. Automatically.

[hollow gulch]

There is a 200mhz override my guy

As o said before

I*

[tawny violet]

You can gain way more than +200mhz with undervolting

[jagged ember]

Hmmmmm

[hollow gulch]

Depends on the chip

Pbo on my 9800X3D did absolutely nothing

[tawny violet]

So
By your own definitions

What you consider to be GOOD (undervolting) is VERY bad for chips (overclocking)

[hollow gulch]

Static oc actually improved performance

[tawny violet]

Because that's what you said

Can't have it both ways

[hollow gulch]

Overclocking is a good thing done properly

I never said anything about it being bad

[tawny violet]

Can't call PBO overclocking when undervolting is a WAAAAAY more overclock than actual OC

[hollow gulch]

Just if you are overheating

[tawny violet]

I guess you never said this then

[hollow gulch]

Pbo is overclocking, it may not be as good as static but it's a clock increase

[tawny violet]

You brought up degradation and voltages

[hollow gulch]

How am I wrong?

[tawny violet]

While entirely forgetting the self-nuking Intel chips that manage to immolate at STOCK voltages

Before anyone even looks at it

It's like

You seem to fundamentally not understand this

With the most respect possible

[hollow gulch]

I do you clearly do not get it

[mossy venture]

Can we calm down please

I feel like a misunderstanding led to an argument

[tawny violet]

You're going around in circular, self-debunking arguments and it's honestly getting in my nerves at this point

[hollow gulch]

Dude what?

[tawny violet]

With that

I am
Disengaging.

Please don't ping me

[hollow gulch]

You said pbo isn't oc. Please don't talk to me

[jagged ember]

"What PBO does not ever do is boost the frequency beyond the advertised CPU clocks, which is a major point that people have confused. We’ll quote directly from AMD’s review documentation so that there is no room for confusion:"

[hollow gulch]

It does look up 200mhz override

[jagged ember]

That's what GN had to say about PBO

https://gamersnexus.net/guides/3491-explaining-precision-boost-overdrive-benchmarks-auto-oc

[hollow gulch]

You can achieve 200mhz higher with pbo

[jagged ember]

"The effect on CPU clock speed is indirect, and PBO will never boost the CPU past the advertised clocks."

I'm no expert so I'm thus deferring to a generally recognized one

[hollow gulch]

But it's not in spec. Intel has a real problem and it's due to more than just voltage as well.

[mossy venture]

You're thinking of autooc

Different from pbo

Pbo still counts as ocing though

[hollow gulch]

You will constantly see new bioses giving out insane settings

[tawny violet]

That's pretty arguable

[mossy venture]

Pbo changes the power profile

[hollow gulch]

It's apart of the pbo menu

[tawny violet]

Technically PBO doesn't increase frequency targets and whatnot

[tawny violet]

Doesn't make it PBO tho

AutoOC is a different but related feature

[jagged ember]

AutoOC is entirely different

[tawny violet]

Just because it's in one menu doesn't make it the same thing

[jagged ember]

At least as far as I can see

[hollow gulch]

It changes pbo so yets it's apart of it

[mossy venture]

Precision Boost (PB) - AMD's boost algorithm, decides core clocks based on power (voltage&current) and temperature. Can only boost to max stock clocks.

Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) - Increases the power that can be provided to the CPU by the VRMs, doesn't change clocks.

AutoOC - Increases the value of the max clock by 200Mhz. DOES NOT mean the CPU WILL now boost to max clock+200Mhz, just that it CAN if Precision Boost (PB) decides there's enough power and thermal headroom to do so.

[mossy venture]

No it isnt. It is a separate setting you enable

[jagged ember]

“Precision Boost 2,” “XFR,” “Precision Boost Overdrive,” which is different from Precision Boost, and “AutoOC.”

[mossy venture]

Turning pbo on doesn't automatically enable autooc

[jagged ember]

Yurr that's what I member

Oh I see now, yeah my definition hinges on clockspeed going further than factory

if increasing power draw counts as OC then yeah

[tawny violet]

Either way you count it
Undervolting is significantly more overclocking than traditional OC is with AM5

[jagged ember]

And for the 7090xt, now that you mention it

[tawny violet]

Theoretically if your chip is good enough
You can gain nearly a GHz with undervolting

5× the gains depending on lottery

[hollow gulch]

It changes pbo. Therefore it's apart of it, yes you have to enable it it's not something that is auto enabled

[tawny violet]

It's a separate feature tho?

I believe you can turn on AutoOC in itself (not that you'd want to)

[hollow gulch]

It's in the same menu, it changes how pbo functions, that's all im trying to say

[tawny violet]

I mean is Big Mac sauce part of the term "hamburger" because it's changing one specific name brand burger?

[fallen sphinx]

7090xt 🗣️

[hollow gulch]

Nothing above 4x seemed to improve anything, 10x gave same performance

Nvm I thought u mean scalar

[tawny violet]

I wanna lol

[tawny violet]

I was talking about undervolting's effective frequency gain yes

But my question is

Do you consider undervolting to be a bad thing?

After all, it IS overclocking with Ryzen

[hollow gulch]

Why would I, I said it was a good thing

[tawny violet]

Then you DID just call overclocking a good thing

I mean it is

[hollow gulch]

I said that as well?

[tawny violet]

Free performance

[hollow gulch]

You didn't understand then, I said both were a good thing

[tawny violet]

But ye let me put it this way
Ryzen is designed to never go above 95°C while wanting to be at that temp forever

Like I believe that the system will just shut itself down if the temp is exceeded

[hollow gulch]

I'm aware but I would never call that acceptable

[tawny violet]

To protect itself

[mossy venture]

It shuts down around 105c or 110c

Pretty sure it depends on mobo

[tawny violet]

I mean AMD seems to disagree with your assessment and they make the chips

I've been the same way

Felix can attest

[hollow gulch]

Unless you are doing all core on the 7950x/9950x i don't expect you to reach that, if it's happening in games that's a problem

[tawny violet]

I was freaking the heck out when I first saw my own 7600X shoot up to 95 degrees during stress tests

Hell you can read it back, we talked in the server in public channels about it

[hollow gulch]

I'd immediately replace the cooler, but you can do whatever

[tawny violet]

Regularly hit 95 playing EU4

On a 7600X

To be fair

It is a grand strategy simulator basically running on CPU

You don't want to look at temp other than "Is it at 95 under full load? If no, cooler overkill lol"

[hollow gulch]

9800X3D with a static oc above what it normally is dynamic vcore I still don't even touch 90C in all core

[tawny violet]

It's all in the clock speeds

[hollow gulch]

Did you attempt to undervolt then

[hollow gulch]

......

[tawny violet]

Honestly not really

My mobo is utter trash

[jagged ember]

Honestly that's kinda how I assess my coolers

[hollow gulch]

But then that'd help? With bad vrms

[tawny violet]

It doesn't actually apply the values I tell it to
So no point

[jagged ember]

Only reason I swapped from stock cooler on the 3600

It got to 95 and sometimes higher

[tawny violet]

Again, my mobo is trash and it just doesn't apply the undervolt value

[hollow gulch]

Any dual tower thermalright cooler for $30 will keep most am5 chips at bay even under all core so

[hollow gulch]

Is it locked or

[tawny violet]

I'm supposedly running a -25 and yet it's drawing stock power at below stock clocks

It's actually stupid

AM5 Prime boards are just awful

[jagged ember]

Maybe it just needs encouragement

Take it for a nice dinner or something

"Please may you just do the thing I told you to do"

Nuh uh

[hollow gulch]

did you try doing a traditional UV and not through PBO, i have had pbo undervolt do absolutely nothing before

[tawny violet]

Yeah I went to the proper menu and all

Hard set the voltage
Nothing

[plucky timber]

Forms the Holy Roman Empire
CPU blows up

We should have a wegg EU4 game some time

We have quite a few people here who play EU4

[stoic island]

weggu4

[plucky timber]

Me omw to invade China to secure the GPU supply

[manic cloak]

They took every component but the motherboard and case mounted stuff 😭

[potent portal]

Make them a low-ball offer for the remains lol

[cyan ravine]

That mobo prolly bent pins

I'd tell them it's worth like 130 for all of it new then offer 110

It's actually worth more like 300 if intact but they wouldn't know

[weary galleon]

the arm and retaining thing is still down. I wonder if maybe the aio was just mounted with no cpu under it?

but i guess then you'd expect the socket cover to be on there

I go into the mall Target sometimes just to look around and every once in a while there will be a new keeb on display, come back a few weeks later and the caps will all be gone lol

[cyan ravine]

And people wonder why stores use locked cabinets now

[plucky timber]

There are locked cabinets for deodorant now

Because stupid monkeys won't stop opening them

[cyan ravine]

Dammit alfred

[plucky timber]

Like seriously just buy it

[cyan ravine]

We don't have that here fortunately

[weary galleon]

I've heard it's cause people straight up steal em

[plucky timber]

Deodorant of all things

[weary galleon]

my local Fred Myers (kroger) has a seperate section for personal care products. One gate to get in & out, and an employee puts your stuff into a paper bag with a label and seals it

[plucky timber]

I'd steal meat

[weary galleon]

giftcards can't really be stolen *from the store

[rain carbon]

Don't they have to be activated?

I forget how it works lol

[weary galleon]

yep

[plucky timber]

Yeah that's why I deleted it

[left fox]

I need a 4090 gaming rig for about 3000usd this has to be anew rig who can build it link up

[cyan ravine]

Just gaming?

[mossy venture]

The 4090 is $2000+

[cyan ravine]

Not to mention discontinued so new isn't possible

[left fox]

i see amazon with a few for 3600

[mossy venture]

And that's in the used market

[cyan ravine]

Just a gaming pc

Or is it something else

[mossy venture]

So how are you fitting a $3600 gpu (should not be more than $2200) in a $3000 budget

[left fox]

Its gaming

[cyan ravine]

You don't need a 4090 for gaming

The market is incredibly expensive rn for gpus

[left fox]

So should i just wait

[cyan ravine]

Yep

[left fox]

on prices to go down

[cyan ravine]

Come back in a month or two

By then the prices should be lower

No promises

But if they are then they'll be by quite a bit

[left fox]

Add me if you can get this done build boy

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4771429&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-Combo.4771429-_-04012025

Just buy that

Psu and case are a bit overpriced

[cyan ravine]

That works

[mossy venture]

But best way to get a high end nvidia gpu atm

Aside from used ofc

[cyan ravine]

Next choice would be 620$ 9070xt

[left fox]

i was told to get the 4090 so thats what im working with

[cyan ravine]

Who said that

[left fox]

My gaming friends

[cyan ravine]

4090 is overkill for anything that isn't a huge 4K tv

[left fox]

its a samsung 57inch monitor

so it can handle the power

[cyan ravine]

Ok if you want that monitor specifically you really should wait

[mossy venture]

Full list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BnVq74

[left fox]

ii have that monitor

[mossy venture]

1440p or 4k

[cyan ravine]

It's that silly dual 4k one

[mossy venture]

Oh Jesus

Gaming is going to be an issue

[cyan ravine]

If you're not playing like, only fortnite you're gonna have trouble getting any reasonable fps on any gpu period lmfao

[mossy venture]

^

Even the 5090 struggles to do over 60 fps with maxed settings in some games

[left fox]

i play cod

[cyan ravine]

So yeah you gonna need to wait until prices improve

[mossy venture]

And that's regular 4k, not ultra wide dual 4k

[cyan ravine]

At dual 4k you need more than 16gb vram

[left fox]

i have an ark2 as well

[cyan ravine]

You've basically put yourself in a corner where you can only use 24gb+ cards

Which are unicorns rn

[left fox]

lol

[cyan ravine]

Not worth building rn, come back in a couple months

[left fox]

As i said add me ill be waiting

[cyan ravine]

Just come back to the server in a few weeks

[mossy venture]

With the 5090 release normally last gen xx90 would've gone down in price (used,) but because nvidia is nvidia the opposite is true

[cyan ravine]

My dms are closed cos otherwise I'd be too in demand to help anyone

[left fox]

ohh

[cyan ravine]

(This has happened more than once before)

[cyan ravine]

Nvidia is artificially inflating the market by discontinuing old cards and barely making any new ones

It's a whole huge issue @left fox

[left fox]

i see

[cyan ravine]

If you can return the monitor and go for something more reasonable the 5080 link above would work

Or 9070xt

Both will run cod well, not at dual 4k tho

[left fox]

Naw i had that monitor over a year

[cyan ravine]

Dual 4k is a difficult at best on a 4090/5090

[left fox]

running ps5

i think i want a cpu now

[mossy venture]

.

Can buy a cheap gpu as a temp card

Not exactly cheap but
https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-rog-strix-rtx2080ti-o11g-gaming/p/N82E16814126263T?Item=N82E16814126263T

Or
https://www.ebay.com/itm/116518446441?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=I8ORr0BxSt6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

2080 ti can prob push cod at 60+ fps low-medium settings with your monitor

Maybe 100+ not sure

[left fox]

i am waiting on the 4090

i was gona buy a ps5 but i dont think that makes any sense

ps5 pro

[mossy venture]

Figured since you said you want cpu now, you'd want a temp gpu until you can buy a 4090/5090

[left fox]

Naw ill wait

[cyan ravine]

4090 will barely get 60fps on that typically

[left fox]

So what rig you guys have

[cyan ravine]

Source I own one

5090 not much better like 80 ish

[left fox]

right now the screen is like in the middle

i want the full screen

[mossy venture]

Lmao cheapest 5090 is $3000 bundled with a mobo right now
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4772198&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-Combo.4772198-_-04012025

[foggy walrus]

how are you getting barely 60 FPS with 4090

[mossy venture]

4k

[cyan ravine]

On a dual 4k?

How am I not you barely get 4k120 at high settings on normal 4k

[foggy walrus]

im sitting at 180 FPS right now on mine

[cyan ravine]

Ok are you using dlss

[mossy venture]

4090 can't do 60 fps in multiple games with max settings including rtx, not including frame gen

And that's regular 4k, not dual 4k

[cyan ravine]

Dual 4k is easy to math out, it's twice the pixel rate so half the speed

[mossy venture]

Personally spending $2000 on a gpu, im not planning to turn any settings down lmao

[left fox]

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/57-odyssey-neo-g9-dual-4k-uhd-quantum-mini-led-240hz-1ms-hdr-1000-curved-gaming-monitor-ls57cg952nnxza/

thats the monitor

[mossy venture]

Jesus $2300

[cyan ravine]

Yeah that will average about 60 at native

5090 will do about 80

This is not specifically cod btw this is the general take

Cod itself you'll get more if you use comp settings (though spending on all that monitor then not cranking is a bit...)

[left fox]

i think getting a 4090 will serve me a few years

[foggy walrus]

not sure

[mossy venture]

Worst case scenario you just swap monitor later

(Or just sell it now, but thats not my business)

[cyan ravine]

Any dlss, frame gen, specific settings or just a singular game can very easily go to 180 fps

[foggy walrus]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-ultragear-45-oled-curved-wqhd-240hz-0-03ms-freesync-and-nvidia-g-sync-compatible-gaming-monitor-with-hdr10-black/6530356.p?skuId=6530356

I use this guy

[mossy venture]

Thats 1440p

[cyan ravine]

That's wide 1440p

[mossy venture]

Not 4k

[cyan ravine]

So like

[mossy venture]

Like 1/5th ish as demanding as dual 4k

Thats a rough guess I'm not sure what the actual math is

[cyan ravine]

It's a halfway house to native 4k

So where you'd get around 240+ at native 1440p

And 4k you get around 120+

180 fps is basically exactly as expected

You're probably not using dlss but depends on the game you're referring to

[foggy walrus]

POE2

[cyan ravine]

That game will do 180 pretty easily on a lot of gpus

It's also a dice roll for stable fps

So odds are it's nvidias scaler

The default is nis iirc

Which isn't dlss afaik

[foggy walrus]

you guys make me want to keep my day job in finance/banking. You are too smart for me at this stuff..lol

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[mossy venture]

Lolol I remember feeling the same way towards felix and pato

[cyan ravine]

It's about 4.9mill pixels vs 16.5mill btw

[mossy venture]

Ah so about 1/4th

[cyan ravine]

So about 3.5-4x slower ye

[foggy walrus]

visually, this monitor works fine for me on any game...

[mossy venture]

100%, it's a great monitor

[cyan ravine]

Well yeah cos 4090 is good for wqhd

[mossy venture]

4k is very overrated in our opinions

[cyan ravine]

4090 is fine at wqhd

[foggy walrus]

no game requires 4k

[mossy venture]

1440p looks great as is

[foggy walrus]

i guess it preference or as you say, overrated.

[mossy venture]

I'd much rather the higher fps and settings

[foggy walrus]

same

[cyan ravine]

Agreed, but they have owned the monitor for a long time so we're gonna suggest on the criteria

[left fox]

https://www.amazon.com/acer-Predator-i9-14900HX-GeForce-Accessories/dp/B0F23T19M5/ref=sr_1_49_sspa?crid=2RHUA4FOCFBAJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9._WVMMbGe97oDWhEdWYY53fKTHG4QLZquNg0TH1-lxyb-vLRr0XRFNTJrPqCCw8-Qeh-MGHUcG5axd1Toev-0dtOMgqe84s7byvRiemztdIHsSVNfMMEjf8_y3pq6beWhhhIY-HIBQAs0SJyOjsJdDilugi6VA6_5LMdA9CJR3Sbmd13DQgVLWgXDw3Lz6zRP.XDqc2hVd0AbL-MMtClcbEshaE2qwsRFhb6KPPvWCqrI&dib_tag=se&keywords=4090%2Bcpu&qid=1743552047&sprefix=4090%2Bcpu%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-49-spons&xpid=pjR1rCqxRRYNy&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9idGY&th=1

[foggy walrus]

this thing is hot enough...

[cyan ravine]

And really only the 90 cards make sense

[mossy venture]

No

[left fox]

or should i just get a gaming laptop

[mossy venture]

Xx90 laptops are not your friend

[cyan ravine]

To use the monitor nah

[left fox]

ok

[mossy venture]

First off the 4090 mobile loses to a 4080 desktop if i remember right

[cyan ravine]

90 laptops are 70ti/80 tier basically

[mossy venture]

Second it'll be hot asf

Third its just terribly priced lol

[left fox]

ok

[cyan ravine]

Yeah those high end ones are not fun

Very loud

Very demanding

Not really a best of both worlds, more a compromise of both

[mossy venture]

My 3050 ti laptop gets hot enough, I can't imagine what a 4090 sounds like lmao

[cyan ravine]

I can tell you my 1080 laptop was like I had a car idling in the room with me

[mossy venture]

Lmao

My laptop fans kick on simply using chrome

I need to repaste it but I absolutely despise opening laptops

[cyan ravine]

The newer ones are better imo but they still get quite loud

[mossy venture]

Every time I've tried (with older/mostly worthless laptops) I've broken them

[cyan ravine]

The clamshell is really the only annoying part

[mossy venture]

I've got a tuf a15, if I ever start gaming on it more I'll probably need to

[cyan ravine]

That's literally mine

[mossy venture]

The mux switch also doesn't work annoyingly enough

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[mossy venture]

6800u/3050 ti

[cyan ravine]

The clamshell is annoying af

6800h btw

No u variant in a15

[mossy venture]

Oh huh

[cyan ravine]

Good laptop

But the clamshell is cancer

Beware lmao

[mossy venture]

Got it as like a $25 upgrade from a 1240p mx550 laptop lol

[cyan ravine]

Pretty easy to repaste tho

[left fox]

amazon has 4090 rigs for 3600

https://www.amazon.com/Velztorm-Praetix-3D-Prebuilt-Bluetooth/dp/B0F24CW11R/ref=sr_1_28?crid=24F5DNOGUQ35M&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.LCi5CROYzaSWedioXNWZeTqdp3A8Vd-l2Q84vUHbnnj-IKGfoWHV8TPnnACh9Av6Q1AhAP5fLHeCV2kSPZMtLpa8QkNymic-aJ_60h9WVyPZw1tkwltp1jt4ev7-2m5qO0i0knXMV-HtGkD5sfp9EG6_kQp-bGf65Gi-mFC1EKeghbj3r-ulMh1MIInyob6HLqLJL6Udd6rKolAFjyhlowHfP6LB3SNZeFMA32mAo0A.395f71Th_5wKvKt7hFmYyKlyhakdUBFMf5zPOydUOPM&dib_tag=se&keywords=4090%2Bcomputer&qid=1743552386&sprefix=4090%2Bc%2Caps%2C243&sr=8-28&xpid=49whssKHbJF7e&th=1

[cyan ravine]

That's still pretty excessive

[plucky timber]

$3600 is the price of 3 computers

[cyan ravine]

Put it this way, if the market was normal, you could get a 4090 pc for under 2200

[left fox]

ohh wow

[cyan ravine]

Yeah that's how bad nvidia prices are rn

If the monitor wasn't in the equation we'd suggest you something that's almost as quick for about 1500

[plucky timber]

Even at msrp the performance/$ could be better

[cyan ravine]

So yeah it's really bedlam out there for 90 class gpus

[plucky timber]

Oh wait 4090 not 5090

That's way worse wtf

[cyan ravine]

I really would just wait a couple months imo

[left fox]

Ok wait i will

[cyan ravine]

You'll save definitely hundreds if not a thousand or two

It's been trending down for a couple weeks now afaik

So if that keeps up then it'll be savings daily

[manic cloak]

The glass display is missing too

[drifting pebble]

5070 or 9070 xt

[cyan ravine]

Whichever of the two is msrp

If both are msrp, 9070/XT > 5070

[snow dragon]

Honestly you can squeeze 4 in there

[drifting pebble]

5070 is better for ray tracing i thought

[cyan ravine]

Only 3%

It wins outright with any other type of gaming involved

And that's only because of black myth wukong

If that game wasn't basically made with only Nvidia API the 9070 is better in every metric

3% you'd never notice

On the other hand you'll definitely notice 10% fps otherwise and 4gb more vram

These things also overclock really well compared to nvidia this gen

[plucky timber]

Nvidia A(P)I

Without the P

[drifting pebble]

the unreliable source was right

see you can use technical city

@wide sparrow

i was given misinformation

daniel owen is a reliable source

[wide sparrow]

👀

[cyan ravine]

Why are we suggesting technical city

Idk why I even made the effort to read that site it's all over the place

False

They refute themselves 3 times on the page over this

They use passmark as a basis for the performance

Can we not suggest this as a main source

[mossy venture]

Technichal city is better than something like ubm, but still very wrong very often

[cyan ravine]

Let's level something rq

The 5070 and 9070 at msrp are both good

But the 9070 does have advantages for gaming

It's the better card for general use

Unless you spend your life in blender

[mossy venture]

In the US, I've been suggesting the 5070 more since it's $550 vs $682 atm. But compared at msrp it's a very easy choice for the 9070

[cyan ravine]

In which case the 5070 wins

[mossy venture]

I'd even spend an extra $50 or so for the extra vram and raster the 9070 has

[plucky timber]

9070 at XT MSRP is crazy

We live in a post-MSRP society

[cyan ravine]

5070 at 550 is not a bad card btw

[mossy venture]

100%

4070 super at $600 wasn't terrible

[cyan ravine]

In terms of nvidia cards it's one of the best value

But 9070 is competitive and at times better

[drifting pebble]

if i see a 5090 for 400 by a 5 star seller i'm buying it

idc if their name is UKU AKUBANA

[mossy venture]

Good luck with that chief

[plucky timber]

Isn't 550 below msrp?

[mossy venture]

Nah it is msrp

[plucky timber]

Oh

It's not $599?

[mossy venture]

5070 is $550 but most models are 600+

[plucky timber]

That's solid tbh

If at msrp

[drifting pebble]

5070 is the best graphics card for 550

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n9cBD3/msi-shadow-2x-oc-geforce-rtx-5070-12-gb-video-card-rtx-5070-12g-shadow-2x-oc

[plucky timber]

If it's at $550

[drifting pebble]

I don't know who's paying 550 for a 7800xt

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gCvD4D/powercolor-fighter-oc-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx7800xt-16g-foc

[plucky timber]

Didn't the 7800XT dip below the $400 mark at one point

Or am I hallucinating

[mossy venture]

Crazy that this $500 7800xt is $80 more than you paid for your 7600xt

[cyan ravine]

I'd have bought one if it did

[plucky timber]

$450?

[mossy venture]

And its a whole 35-40% better

Yeah down to $440 at one point for the asrock challenger

[plucky timber]

Wasn't the 7700XT at $300 something

Oh it actually was?

[mossy venture]

7700xt got to 360ish

[cyan ravine]

370

[plucky timber]

Oooo

I miss the old market

[mossy venture]

I miss $340 new 6800s

And $300 6700xts

[plucky timber]

We live in a world where last gen cards are at the msrp of current gen cards

At least if we compare 7800XT to 5070

[mossy venture]

3080s have gone up in price used since 50 series launch lmao

[plucky timber]

wtf?

[drifting pebble]

i love how happy geeka what is

[plucky timber]

Rat market

[mossy venture]

2080 ti and 6700xt are still under $300 which is nice

[snow dragon]

Bro I frogot

[plucky timber]

The rats are raising the prices

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-11g-p4-2281-kr/p/N82E16814487418T?Item=N82E16814487418T

$280 ^

[drifting pebble]

1000 dollar 9070 XT build! casually shows all my teeth

geeka what

[cyan ravine]

6700xt is the one gpu I wish I dailied longer

[mossy venture]

Are you ok

[plucky timber]

We used to be able to do really good 1-1.5K builds

[cyan ravine]

U alright dude

No one said anything

[plucky timber]

Now we have to throw in a used gpu

[mossy venture]

We had $1500 7900xtx builds

[plucky timber]

What does "geeka" mean

[mossy venture]

With $830 xtx

[plucky timber]

I am not up to date on the lingo

[mossy venture]

Idk man

[drifting pebble]

thats the channel name

[mossy venture]

Gen alphas tweakin

[plucky timber]

????

mein gott

[vague oracle]

This is why I hate kids

[snow dragon]

https://geeka.media/

Embed failure

[plucky timber]

sus link

[mossy venture]

No little German boy, don't use discord!
Ach nein, wtf is "skibi toilet"

[plucky timber]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[mossy venture]

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