building-and-recc-chat

[pearl gulch]

I have
2x
NF-A12x25 PWM 120 mm premium fan
and the cpu cooler was...
1x

I think, from looking up the number on the fans 210227KC

[manic cloak]

most random question, does your monitor power on when the pc attempts to turn on? so any no display signal, etc?

[potent portal]

Ok that's not their best fan but it should still be better than the thermalright ones

[cyan ravine]

PC off ofc

[vale birch]

yes, the monitor is powered on (not showing no input popup) and psu plugs I think are all connected

[manic cloak]

Have you tried motherboard’s display/hdmi (ik you put new ram in, but were searching for issues,) tried only one stick from the Lenovo in each slot, you could also reseat your cpu but I don’t think you should until there’s “no answer” after troubleshooting for a bit

Probably the last thing you’d want to do considering ripping out your cooler, repasting and etc just to be at step 1 again

[pearl gulch]

what's the best way to make sure my memory won't have clearance issues in my build? We talked about this briefly last night I think and they said I 'should be ok'
but I'll be scavenging parts from my current PC to finish this new one and don't want to spend more than 1 day down a computer.

[manic cloak]

Are you doing an air cooler?

[pearl gulch]

yes

[manic cloak]

Which one, your ram model, and what’s your case?

[pearl gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CGpkWc

I'll be figuring out the PSU next, just worried about the clearance warning.

closing in on the final steps before I can go buying all my parts.

[manic cloak]

Do you own the noctua cooler?

Or yet to buy it

[pearl gulch]

yea, I'll be taking it off my current pc

[manic cloak]

Is it a small cooler or does it hover over your current ram

Because it’s only 123mm tall

[pearl gulch]

let me double check....

[manic cloak]

And your new case or current, idk yet has 165mm clearance

[pearl gulch]

it does not

[manic cloak]

Oh your perfectly fine then

The only “Issue” I saw was if it did hover over your ram, you’d have to slide the fan higher up on the tower

But you’ll be perfectly fine cause it seems like it won’t

[pearl gulch]

figured a picture would be better.

[manic cloak]

Ya that should be fine but is that by chance a 90mm fan?

[pearl gulch]

uhhh the cpu fan?

[manic cloak]

Yes

[pearl gulch]

not sure, but they came with the one on my list i linked

[manic cloak]

Not 100% but I think that’s a smaller tower cooler with a small 90mm single fan

And I don’t think those can cool a 9800x3d under decent load, I could be wrong somebody fact check me

[pearl gulch]

Size 92x92x25 mm

https://noctua.at/en/products/fan/nf-a9-pwm/specification

i know almost nothing about cooling, i used to just get stuff and hope it works.

is there a number somewhere that they say 'needs this much cooling at load'?

[vale birch]

wdym about the mobo display/hdmi? I've still been doing the 2 factory cards in 2 slots but will try 1 card 1 slot next (if that works then what?) Not pro enough to be comfortable reseating the cpu...I thought the ram wa going to be a cake walk, at least has been a handful of times in the past for me

[manic cloak]

Your cpu (7900/x?) should have graphic capabilities, I’d just like to see if you can plug in your display/hdmi cable into the motherboard instead of the gpu, just in case the pcie on your motherboard went poof or something

It’s just my short idea of figuring out whether it’s the motherboard or some other part that went to blitz after the ram was inserted

[vocal hare]

I mean 92mm hella low prfile coolers are used in ssf build no?

i swear half the 9800x3d ssf builds use a Thermalright AXP90

i recognize if because its a very distinct looking cooler

hard not to with those colors

[vale birch]

Got it. It is a 7900 but not seeing how I could hook in the hdmi

[manic cloak]

I’m just not 100% cause 3xd’s like getting hot, plus who know if the sff under volt or not

[vocal hare]

but really arent most low profile air coolers like 92mm fans?

i mean i gusess it depends on what you define as decent load

[manic cloak]

Uhhh that’s an intel b660 lenovo board, I’m guessing yours doesn’t have a hdmi port on the motherboard? Like where the rest of your usb ports are

[vocal hare]

most people with a x3d chip probably arent doing much over gaming

[pearl gulch]

So my cpu cooler (Noctua NH-U9S) comes with 2x NF-A9 PWM fans.

FAN Specification
Static pressure 2,28 mm H₂O
Static pressure with L.N.A. 1,53 mm H₂O (Low-Noise Adaptor) ** Did I use this when I installed the fan? How to I know?

The 9800X3D requires... (haven't found this out yet)
Default TDP 120W

So I just need to figure out what cooling / static pressure I need to cool 120W TDP, right?

[manic cloak]

It should be an external port btw

[vale birch]

no none there

[pearl gulch]

so unless I'm doing some crazy multitasking (I tend to make my gpu pretty hot, but I've never really checked my cpu), I think I should be ok.
Pretty sure I used the LNA

a lot of it depends on the ambient temp and my room is annoyingly cold a lot, so I'd say I'm on the lower end of worrying about ambient temps...

[manic cloak]

If I’m reading this right, this is saying your max memory capacity is 32gb out of all 4 slots, not 32gb per slot

I could be completely wrong though, have you tried rebooting with the OEM ram?

[vocal hare]

i mean looking at hub in their gaming test its like 93w

[vale birch]

I think they mean 32GB total but Crucial and some others online say its actually 128GB. I'm currently booting with the factory ram in the configuration it was in before I started this mess

[manic cloak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/yuwj2x/going_over_the_ram_limit/

[plucky timber]

Is it DDR5

[manic cloak]

It is

[plucky timber]

The issue with DDR5 is using more than two slots

[manic cloak]

He’s already memory trained

But he’s on a prebuilt motherboard from lenovo

And the screenshot I sent like 5 minutes ago state that his models motherboard supposedly supports a max of 32gb

[weary galleon]

It's not-quite-tua

[manic cloak]

So I think his system is stuck on a boot cycle

[vocal hare]

ugly as sin cooler

[manic cloak]

Cause the memory channels are overloaded and can’t match with so and so, just reading from that Reddit comment afterall

[weary galleon]

Pretty sure they have silver/black ones as well lol

[plucky timber]

Black is overrated

Copper all the way

[manic cloak]

Ehhh I’d stick with what the lenovo manual says, I can link it to you if you’d like.

[plucky timber]

OEMs can be very annoying with non-supported configurations

[manic cloak]

It does say the max memory is with Lenovos memory offerings, but it’s their board. They can easily limit how much memory it’ll take

It’s either reseating your CPU with the original memory in, get a new motherboard, or keep troubleshooting and find a way out of an endless boot cycle without using the system itself

[rain carbon]

It depends on the build, but i do prefer copper, general noctua coloring and just softer browns on pcs, gives it a very rustic look i like

[vale birch]

I have it. I even chat with Lonovo sales prior to purchasing the additional ram and they confirmed it would be able to handle / compatible with DDR5-5600 cards. I've seen others on reddit having similar issues some have gotten it workinng though I'm not reproducing their results obv

[manic cloak]

Well yes I’m sure they said it’s compatible with other sticks of ram, but they’re talking about the motherboard.

Cause what I’m thinking is that they thought you were replacing the ram sticks from the prebuilt with new ones, not adding an additional 32gb

[vocal hare]

yeah mix matching kits is not the greatest

[vale birch]

could just 1 attempt to boot with the 4 sticks cause the mobo to bust?

[plucky timber]

Especially if they have different dies and bins

[vocal hare]

plus cpus are so sensitive to ram now

[plucky timber]

In ideal conditions mixing should be the same die, same bin, same CL and same frequencies

Which...

Might as well just buy the same kit

[plucky timber]

Plus DDR5 shenanigans

Does XMP work with four sticks?

[vocal hare]

i mean mobos are so finnicky

I don't doubt a oem mobo skimps out

[plucky timber]

Yeah

[vocal hare]

oem parts are always a gamble

[plucky timber]

DDR5 is plug and play until you decide to use more than two sticks

And with OEMs

Well

💀

[vocal hare]

or you wanna go past 600mhz

6000*

support is so poor even on higher end mobos

[plucky timber]

6000+?

On intel maybe

Good luck doing that on ryzen

[vocal hare]

like i remember like so many x870 boards failed 8000mhz

[plucky timber]

(intel runs worse even with better ram 🤦‍♂️ )

[vocal hare]

from thehub roundup

[plucky timber]

Yeah this is not a good year for tech

The year of jank

[vale birch]

yea, I don't think it can even clock over 4400. don't really need the speed just the memory. I'm probably just taking her to best buy tomoorrow

[plucky timber]

I mean

[vocal hare]

you do need the speed

[plucky timber]

4400 is atrocious for ddr5

[vocal hare]

ryzen is hella memory sensitive

thats why everyone throws around the 6000mhz cl30 sweetspot

[plucky timber]

That's more of a ryzen thing

Intel can run a bit higher

[vale birch]

I upgraded the gpu from the 4070ti to a 4090 and the power to a 800w block but it still craps out on some basic stuff

[vocal hare]

i mean its a b650 board no?

[plucky timber]

But generally 6000 C30 kits are well priced enough

[vocal hare]

you what

[plucky timber]

Sometimes there's well priced 6400

[vocal hare]

6400 cl32 is close enough sometimes

[plucky timber]

What do you need the ram for?

[vocal hare]

depends

[plucky timber]

AI?

[vocal hare]

800w for a 4090 and a 7900 is a lil close aint it?

[vale birch]

yea, I'm training model checkpoints and had some shards that need merging which should be a simple ram process but kills every time

[plucky timber]

So

What's your current configuration again?

In terms of memory

[vale birch]

the 4090 needs 400 but rarely uses that

2x 16GB

[plucky timber]

Same kits?

[plucky timber]

It's more vram intensive so I'm not surprised

[vale birch]

thats the factory kit and purchased another 2x 16GB crucial

all same 1.1v

[plucky timber]

For larger models the 4090 gets bottlenecked to hell by vram

[plucky timber]

Yeah...

DDR5 is already janky with four dimms

Mixing memory probably contributes to the instability

[vocal hare]

isnt a FE 4090 like 450 and a 7900x like 170 w?

plus like 50- 100w for everything else

[plucky timber]

Well I mean

If the gpu doesn't run at full load

I'm not sure how the power consumption looks like on a 4090

[vocal hare]

fair but some aibs chug more no?

[plucky timber]

But if it's being choked by vram it might not run at 100%

[manic cloak]

This is likely “OEM” 4090 btw

[vale birch]

the gpu was pulling 150-300 tops when running at 99%

[vocal hare]

i mean idk what the wattage for the usage case

[plucky timber]

I think you might be better off getting something like specialised AI hardware

But anyways with your current configuration

There is a chance that getting a matching kit would help stability

I wouldn't count on it

[vocal hare]

$$$

[plucky timber]

Especially considering the OEM motherboard

[plucky timber]

Well with how much he's spending on it already it's not too far off

[vocal hare]

true

[plucky timber]

But then again

[vocal hare]

i just shudder looking at things like h100s

[plucky timber]

It's only $3000 for a something like this

[vale birch]

I mean they're really trying to box out consumer gpu for AI

[vocal hare]

oh the new lil box nvidia showed off?

[plucky timber]

Yeah

[plucky timber]

Yeah with how limited you are with vram

You'll really struggle with larger models

Consumer grade hardware is really handicapped for AI applications

If you're running smaller models they're ok

[vocal hare]

digits has 128gb of unified memory

[plucky timber]

Yeah it's a lot less constrained

With consumer grade hardware

Even if you somehow cluster 2 5090s

It'll cost more than a single digit

Yes it'll have more processing power but the vram is going to bottleneck it to hell for larger models

[vocal hare]

i mean a aib 5090 almost cost as much as one now

[plucky timber]

Oh yeah

AIBs are way above msrp

😭

[vocal hare]

astrals are what like 2800+?

[plucky timber]

Thanks nvidia

[plucky timber]

For JUST the gpu

The digit is an entire computer

[vocal hare]

i mean asus astral is frankly a crazy overcharge

asus is nuts

[plucky timber]

Well I doubt it'd be $3000 for the whole thing tbh

It says starting at $3000

But still factoring other costs a ssd

Still destroys any gpu in terms of value when it comes to AI use cases

[vocal hare]

specialized hardware is just kinda hard to beat

[plucky timber]

*for larger models

Even for smaller models tbh you can probably run several off a single digit

Tho I wonder if the availability is good

With the whole AI craze

[vale birch]

a craze thats just gonna get crazier

[plucky timber]

Eh

I don't think so

[vocal hare]

deepseek about to buy 2 billion worth and say they spent couple mil

[plucky timber]

I'm more leaning towards smaller and more efficient models

Than large and brute force models

[vale birch]

oh yes, they're coming. devs in china got our backs lol

[plucky timber]

I'd say in a couple years we'll be seeing smaller models that can do a lot more than the large and resource intensive models of today

Because if the goal is mass adoption

[vocal hare]

i mean the race is pretty heated rn and there is a lot of money flow

[plucky timber]

That resource requirements has to come down

[plucky timber]

I mean on the hardware side

[vale birch]

just thinking that in a year or so if you can't build a product of your own then your job might be choopped

[plucky timber]

Eh

[vocal hare]

suuuure

[plucky timber]

That's fear mongering

I don't doubt the usefulness of AI but I don't overestimate it either

[vocal hare]

think we're still a while away from it being effective enough to actually replace that many jobs

unless you're unitedhealthcare and wanna use AI for processing

[plucky timber]

AI can get rid of bloat in a company

But I don't think it'll be going after the higher salary jobs that requires a more diverse skill set

[vocal hare]

yeah I just dont agree with AI use in processing insurance claims

[vale birch]

salesforce just cut a huge chunk and plans for more...idk. not trying to stoke fear, but we're also dismantling every safeguard we have atm

[plucky timber]

Well that's sales

A lot of sales is telemarketing

[jagged ember]

That's what we envisioned AI to replace anyway

[plucky timber]

I mean with the advent of the internet

[jagged ember]

Tedious monotmous work

[plucky timber]

A lot of traditional marketing has been deemed obsolete anyways

It's just the nature of that industry

[vale birch]

fair

[vocal hare]

highly doubt we'll have ai doing intensive surgeries any time soon

[plucky timber]

Technology is very disruptive in that sector

[jagged ember]

Ai might assist in surgeries

[plucky timber]

I'm more interested in AI in rescue robots

[jagged ember]

But only on the imaging front as far as I can tell

[vocal hare]

assist maybe

[plucky timber]

Accessing terrain where it's dangerous for a human

I might get into robotics tbh

Sounds like a good career

[vocal hare]

kind of competative aint it?

[plucky timber]

I'll literally be the terminator of jobs

[plucky timber]

Well it's also booming

Along with the AI craze

[vocal hare]

that is fair

probably hard to break into though

[plucky timber]

But very lucrative

Robotics can be many things

[vocal hare]

i mean working at nvidia is lucrative

[plucky timber]

Manufacturing is one of them

There will always be need for manufacturing

$$$$$$

[plucky timber]

I don't like nvidia's business practices but it seems like a good place to work at for engineers

[vale birch]

project management, data + market research, product development, marketing are depts I'm already seeing shaved down to minimum teams

[plucky timber]

Depends

[vale birch]

ooop the tower just just shut itself off

[plucky timber]

It depends on what kind of project it is

[vocal hare]

aint over half of them millionaires

[plucky timber]

More simple and monotonous jobs can be shaved down by AI

Something like keeping track of the budget

That can be automated

[vocal hare]

damn

nvidia has a turnover rate of 2.7%

crazy

[plucky timber]

I bet most of them aren't engineers

[vocal hare]

i mean yeah not all 30k employees would be

amazon germany has the 7900xtx rn

delivery date of early march is rough

[plucky timber]

is XTX scarce now?

[vocal hare]

yes

in the us

[plucky timber]

I should've bought one

💀

[vocal hare]

same

[plucky timber]

I don't even have a desktop but who knows if I would need one couple years down the line

[vocal hare]

my plan on 5080 launch was that i'd go for a 7900xtx if i couldnt get one

but i was real sick and needed sleep after a class thing

[plucky timber]

Probably dodge a bullet with the 5080

[vocal hare]

and in hours poof

[plucky timber]

With the whole 12vhpwr shenanigans

[vocal hare]

they were gone

[plucky timber]

💀

Germans clock on quick

[vocal hare]

i mean seems like a 90 series thing

sub 900 for a xtx isnt bad

but idk how good the tuf is for the xtx

[plucky timber]

The XTX cards are generally well built across the board

[vocal hare]

i know the reference had some weird issues

I was really hoping for a 830 saphire

[plucky timber]

Sapphire reference?

Sapphire is generally really solid for pulse and nitro

[vocal hare]

nah just a pulse

[plucky timber]

I've never seen them release a bad card

[vocal hare]

but the tuf is the only one on sale

if the xfx magnetic was in stock and a smidge cheaper i'd like that

i mean thats just amazon in germany yeah?

christ its a chonker

quad slot is certainly something

[vale birch]

thoughts on trainium?

[vocal hare]

@plucky timber what do you think

[plucky timber]

hm?

[vocal hare]

i throw my hat in on the tuf

if I can manage to get a saphire before the tuf ships I guess I can just cancel

hmm with a possible month of wait maybe not

[cyan ravine]

Tuf is one of the best ones

Not the highest vbios tho

It's kinda like

A nitro+ but less power

Halfway between pulse and nitro?

[vocal hare]

so what go for it?

[cyan ravine]

Idk how much is it

900-ish?

[vocal hare]

880

[cyan ravine]

Solid

[vocal hare]

but it is coming from germany

[cyan ravine]

If you got nothing cheaper that's an excellent one

[cyan ravine]

Amazon buyer security tho

[vocal hare]

true

who knows if i'll be up or available during the next wegg drop

[cyan ravine]

You could sneeze on it and they will refund

Movieee tiiimmmeeee

👋

[forest lava]

My computer crashed yesterday while playing Hellblade and now my computer does not recognize my GPU whatsoever

I wanted to ask what steps I should take to address this problem before trying to mess with it

[analog hearth]

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[analog hearth]

Follow that guide

[tawny violet]

@cyan ravine is a 6900XT that's confirmed to have an XTXH core (Asrock Formula OC one here) actually capable of hitting 6950XT performance?

[weary galleon]

seems like if it could, they would have sold it as a 6950xt

[tawny violet]

I mean ASRock didn't sell a 6950XT to my knowledge

Wait they did

Okay then what the hell is the difference between a 6900XT and a 6950XT???

Same core, same VRAM, just an overclock

The XTXH core of the Formula OC can do the same bloody OC for crying out loud

Like the price difference feels pretty important in that case

@rain carbon you have a GRE
How does it compare to a 6900XT?

[rain carbon]

Lemme buy a 6900xt rq and ill tell you

[tawny violet]

Other than the power draw, I know the 6000 series needs more power to get the framerates

But that's a trade I'm willing to make

[rain carbon]

Yee thats a big one

In turn i also get better noise and cooling

Albeit its got mad coil whine lmao

I mean its got more gimmick and gizmo lol

Will have longer driver support

Its on navi 31 as well

In pure rastor gre doesnt lead much

Its like an 8% performance jump?

5 to 8

[tawny violet]

And the GRE is way more expensive than it really should be at this point

[rain carbon]

Well i mean not when i bought it

Used 6900xt wasnt too far off

[tawny violet]

16 gigs VRAM I mean yeah is a bummer
But that's applicable to the GRE too so it's not like that's a handicap

So like

That 6900XT is kind of singing to me

[rain carbon]

16 is more than enough for the gre

[tawny violet]

A siren song if you will

[rain carbon]

But 6900xt is an easy great card

[tawny violet]

It's telling me go buy rn

[rain carbon]

Both cards are good at reasonable prices NOT WHERE YOU LIVE

Where you live gre is ASS

Not even a competition

[tawny violet]

Yeah almost double the price

Cuz new with warranty

I AM THE WARRANTY

[rain carbon]

Breaks card

Gre has more rops, more memory bandwidth, higher mem clock, twice as many transistors, smaller manufacturing, twice as many tflops, more rops, everything else is pretty similar

[vocal hare]

GPU market has me so sad rn

[rain carbon]

Yeah 6900xt is still very prevalant lmao

[tawny violet]

For reference
A new 7800XT costs more than the used 6900XT

[vocal hare]

its really dependant on what you want from it

[rain carbon]

Not a hard competition imo

Unless the price is close

Then 7800xt might genuinely be worth it

7800xt is still an amazing value card

[vocal hare]

driver support is important too

[rain carbon]

Yurp

Hence why id recommend it there

[vocal hare]

though both are pretty good about keeping old gpus alive somehow

[rain carbon]

Its got higher end components that might be worth the extra

If its between new and used it gets wirey

[tawny violet]

That's my new card in consideration actually

[vocal hare]

I mean new game ready drivers still have 700 series

not that you can get much out of a 750 ti now

[tawny violet]

It's either a used 6900XT or a new 7800XT

[vocal hare]

if its close enough

[tawny violet]

IDK if the 7800 will age worse tbf

[tawny violet]

The problem is that it's really not that close

The 7800XT is 50k HUF more (180k vs 225k)

[vocal hare]

I personally prefer my parts new but some people dont have the luxury

[tawny violet]

It's not a very close match @rain carbon

[vocal hare]

plus used market is doodoo rn

[tawny violet]

And my guess is that the 6900XT is going to remain viable for longer

At least until drivers are supported

[vocal hare]

why would you say that?

[tawny violet]

More raw horsepower (Allegedly)

[vocal hare]

i mean look it up

[tawny violet]

I will after I rested

Though to be honest

[vocal hare]

not quite the same but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMYDg_ALWM&t=1111s

6950xt

[tawny violet]

I might just go for the new card anyway

Cuz then I can give my sister an upgrade too later

Y'know

Waste not, want not

Except I want badly lol

[vocal hare]

looks like the 6950 xt edges it out

but idk the difference between the 6950xt and the 6900xt

[cyan ravine]

Yrs

Yes

The only thing that stopped OCF hitting it always was the driver lock on the ram

6950 had an unlock, meaning it always had a slight advantage

[vocal hare]

@cyan ravine bro i still havent touched my build since friday

[cyan ravine]

You haven't got the card yet tho

No rush

[vocal hare]

no I havent

i mean i still have my 3080

but yeah I rather just slap the new card in there

[cyan ravine]

Yeah lol

I'd keep with that tbh

Just hang tight and relaxxxx

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-deflating-take-nose-off-gif-16140863

[vocal hare]

if I do snag a 7900xtx that comes in like within the next week i might just sell the rm850x to my brother and lose out 20 dollars and nab the core reactor 2

give myself that extra piece of mind

because he'd be the one getting my 3080 likely and a nicer never 850w that isnt multirail might be better for him

still have books on that side panel though

loool

and ngl still nervous about the slight scuff on the pcb but as you've seen from the pic its like genuinely a non issue

if anything before the picture I made it seem way worse than in actually was

but I guess since I just finished my exam I could use a bit of my time seting up the new pc

i stilll have to scour my current one and see what i need before i pass it off

[cyan ravine]

RMx units can basically be used like +200W overspec for years and they won't die

They're intentionally overbuilt af

[vocal hare]

because like its a fresh start i'm not bringing any of the old drives over

ikik

just extra piece of mind for like a couple dollars aint too bad

[cyan ravine]

Fair ok

[vocal hare]

honestly i would prefer getting like a shift

[cyan ravine]

GV1000 is usually pretty cheap

[vocal hare]

now that the case im using has normal mounting

[cyan ravine]

GV1000 is like the best 1000W and it's stupid cheap

[vocal hare]

because I hate taking out psus

[cyan ravine]

It's similar quality to rmx shift

[vocal hare]

to plug in cables

and i didnt plug any pcie and or 12v because I still dunno what card im ending up with

[cyan ravine]

'tis fine lol

Just hang tight and see

This be the chill build

[vocal hare]

i did place that order on the german 7900xtx but i'm hoping an oppurtunity arises before then so i can just cancel it

[cyan ravine]

The island of frames

[vocal hare]

I got so disappointed by the fake 4080S drop on nvidias website

i thought my rat race was finally over

"sorry there was a problem on our end"

but yeah I gotta figure out my important stuff

like my nand backups for custom software 3ds

damn do i look at a3 builds sometimes and go if only

[cyan ravine]

Oof I'd never use those power adapters though

Never in hell

They always melt

[vocal hare]

crazy that a3 can just handle a full sized 160 like that

yeah 90 degree one i always feel have the largest issues

[cyan ravine]

The best 90 degree ones are full cables with terminals

[vocal hare]

oh wow thats a 2024 1000x too based on the grate pattern

clean cable management

i imagine itd be worse witha 360 on top though

[cyan ravine]

It is

It's hard af to manage

But it is possible to get good runs

[vocal hare]

you'd have to shift the psu like 2 slots down yeah?

[cyan ravine]

2 or 3

[vocal hare]

i mean i guess it depends on rad size

artic probably 3

with their thick rads

[cyan ravine]

3 is typical

2 is possible with a lot of effort on standard rads

[vocal hare]

feel like if its a x3d going over a 240 is probably a bit extra

even if a 360 isnt that more expensive

the psu management just seems like itd be easier

[cyan ravine]

360 can make a tiny bit of sense with an overclocked 9800X3D but yeah you're right

[weary galleon]

or 280mm if the case is wide enough

[cyan ravine]

For the most part a 240 or dual tower is fine

And for older 7800X3D a single tower works well, even a stock cooler

[vocal hare]

dual tower seems like a hassle to work around in the case

[cyan ravine]

Stock cooler is like 3% slower than a full aio

[vocal hare]

i mean i already find it a hassle in full size builds

[cyan ravine]

A3 unfortunately isn't

[vocal hare]

honestly even if its not needed to be that low profile I wouldn't mind the 92mm termalright cooler

its just a matter of vrm clearance

[cyan ravine]

https://youtu.be/lgiBcD7bBaw

[cyan ravine]

Axp120-x67 does 200W

Tall af clearance too

[vocal hare]

they just seem easier to install too

idk if you could tell, im not a fan of working with dual towers

[weary galleon]

the value of thermalright dual towers is just kinda nuts

[vocal hare]

i swear when im mounting it always gives me trouble with the mounting screws

like i think im threaded and doing it properly but im just not

[cyan ravine]

The value of an A620 SE is insane tho

The amount of cooling in $30 is pretty wild lol

[weary galleon]

yeah any decent dual tower for $30 tbh

[vocal hare]

flat top too

looks cleaner than the thermalrights

that is just a clean look

ima be real though

i hate the fan mounting

[weary galleon]

thermalright does have the royal knight which is a similar flat top look. $6 more expensive though

[vocal hare]

i'm so ocd about it

and the clips just kinda hurt when you're readjusting for the 5th time

[weary galleon]

the one thing I do prefer on my hyper 212 vs my assassin x is the fan clips

they're attached to the fan so they dont fall off

[vocal hare]

even thinking about the scrape bothers me, even though ill never see it and realistically that area is built for slight scuffs

[weary galleon]

though I would guess you could get those clips elsewhere and attach them to some thermalright fans

[vocal hare]

i hate being like this

its always like this for me with anything new and over a $100

when its fresh in my mind it wont leave but a month down the line i'll probably forget it exist

actually im like that with cheap things too

like screen protectors

i'm so damn obsessive over perfect installations

[vocal hare]

right i wish more had that clip design

but I uh may have broken the clips on a very old 212 evo

[dusky hearth]

nah

nothing worse than a bad screen protector installation

i effed up one and took it off and put a new one on lmao

[vocal hare]

yeah but sometimes you get it perfect and months down the like alike a hair somehow gets under it

because of a tiny lil gap someewhere along the edge

[vale birch]

Update on the ram swap no post issue. Went to Best Buy and the tech there did some tests. Installed 64Gb of ram and got the computer to post with the 4090 removed, and also got it to post with a diff 4090 they had in store. Its still under warranty so I can send in for RMA but I still feel like it seems odd. I only lifted the 4090 out once to reset the cmos

[dusky hearth]

no POST but also no lights?

i think i saw you ask about this yesterday or such

[vale birch]

no de-bug lights

[cyan ravine]

It posted without the 4090 and a diff 4090

Interesting

And back in it won't post?

[vale birch]

That's what the tech was saying

[cyan ravine]

That would suck

But also maybe the pcie slot isn't preferred in gen 5

Some cards are like that

Want forced pcie gen modes

Others also have issues with cables not giving enough to 12v power to have it run

It sounds pretty conclusive though yeah

I woulda asked the bloke if you could trade 4090s

If the one you have works in another pc

[vale birch]

I should have had him test this one in another pc

[cyan ravine]

Yeah cos then you can rule out the card being bad and instead it's some sort of bad handshake with the parts

It reset the bios correct?

They always do with ram changes it's rhetoric

So maybe lenovo had a certain setting enabled to run the 4090

Hint hint

[vale birch]

I don;t know if I got the hint. lol.

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[vale birch]

There wouldn't be a scenario where just pulling the 4090 out of the slot would fry it?

[cyan ravine]

Go test the card in another pc

And then if it works

Go find if you can from lenovo

The default bios settings for your computer

Cos a reset bios will not be using the lenovo spec

Lenovo would have changed things around

And those little things may be what you need to get the 4090 to work

[vale birch]

So get it running on another gpu and update bios

[cyan ravine]

Recover settings, not update, update will reset all settings again

The settings lenovo used were very likely not default

[vale birch]

got it

[vocal hare]

your best buy just has 4090s just chillin?

[forest lava]

I ddued in the past on three different occasions now and my problems have persisted, this is the first time it's reached this point though

[crimson zinc]

Some tech stores keep them on hand for problem solving issues/tech tests/etc

[pearl gulch]

So I'm pretty close to done here, but my cpu cooler came into question last night.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rVpPQd
Someone was worried it wouldn't cool enough, so I'm about to replace the Noctua NH-U9S with a NH-D12L, unless people here disagree.

I think the only question would be, does the change in my width/depth affect my RAM clearance. looks like it is 30 mm larger in width and 18mm larger in depth?

I'm also being recommended to use a graphene/graphite pad instead of thermal paste.

i changed the psu and case from the last conversation, and my friend thinks my gpu's thermal wear and tear may warrant me replacing it (after hearing that with a single game running, I'm sitting at around 84 celsius, and idle im at 64 celsius), but that it may also be my current computer's case.

[vocal hare]

X3d chips just don’t get that hot that I’d be worried

Especially if you’re just gaming

As for the gpu, I mean 1080 ti is the goat but it’s definitely on the way out

[pearl gulch]

I don't know what 'just gaming' means, but I tend to overdo it a bit

[mossy venture]

ehhh

on the way out is a bit of an exaggeration imo

it's not far behind the 4060

[pearl gulch]

right but baseline aging out would affect performance, right?

[pearl gulch]

example, I often have 2-3 games running at once, while watching some kind of media.

I'm also a wannabe game dev (need to deal with some rendering or cad-like software on occasion).

[vocal hare]

I mean it’s not far off the 3060/4060 but it lacks the extra features, instead it has more ram

Like it’ll still work, it’ll still game but it is comparable to cards that are sub 200

Which is fine if that’s all you want from a card

[pearl gulch]

I mean, for me it's a placeholder.

I'm using it until I find what I want

[mossy venture]

?

[pearl gulch]

then there's the fact I might not need to upgrade the gpu

[pearl gulch]

gpu's can wear and tear over time, right?

[mossy venture]

yeah but they're more durable than you'd think

(pls do not throw your gpu)

[pearl gulch]

oh no, I wouldn't do that. I would just put it in another computer 😛 not my main pc

[mossy venture]

if you haven't replaced pads/paste on it that'd probably be a good idea

[pearl gulch]

I didn't even think that they were built in a way to allow you to perform maintenance on them

mine is 4 years old and probably due some maintenance

and it might have been used when it landed on my lap

[mossy venture]

yep 100%, personally i didnt with my 3060 ti because i feel like I'd break something

I've got very unsteady hands

but following a tutorial, everyone says it's pretty simple/easy

[vocal hare]

Ok considering the rest of the build I figured

[pearl gulch]

maybe I'll do that for my 1070 ti's as well

I'll have an army of lil' 1070 and 1080's small form factors eventually... doing nothing? hmm...

[mossy venture]

lmao

[pearl gulch]

https://www.newegg.com/p/2MB-001D-00037
And I was just looking for one more stamp of approval before this. I like the idea of using this as a replacement to thermal paste, but it sounds like there's a bit of a 'that's blasphemy' community around this

oops. replaced link.

[mossy venture]

you need paste and pads, but felix and fal know a lot more about this than me

you need the right size pads for your card too

[pearl gulch]

yea that link is for am5

and my 2 other friends say you don't need paste AND pads, but the paste can help keep them in place

[mossy venture]

you need both

afaik

@cyan ravine

[cyan ravine]

What's this going into

[pearl gulch]

uh AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 4.7 GHz 8-Core Processor
Noctua NH-U9S 46.44 CFM CPU Cooler or NH-D12L

[cyan ravine]

Don't need it

[mossy venture]

I thought you were putting them in your 1080 ti?

[cyan ravine]

Just use mx-6

Use kryosheet for something like XTX

I would use the larger of those two btw

Offset mount if you have it

[pearl gulch]

oh no, but i did think about it. friend mentioned that I shouldn't because he doesn't know or use them that way.

[cyan ravine]

You don't need kryosheet for anything less than an XTX

[pearl gulch]

what is xtx

[cyan ravine]

Nothing below that or even above it needs it

[pearl gulch]

I mostly wanted to use it because it's less maintenance

[cyan ravine]

Amd 7900XTX

That's not-

You'll be changing it again later

Lol

Take it from the guy in chat with ptm

It's not as peachy as it sounds

Temps are good, it's not cheap

[pearl gulch]

darn. peachy is what I was looking for

[cyan ravine]

But it's still essentially paste

Lol

The navi 31 gpus are basically the only cards that truly want them

Due to heat density

Any less is useless

But for anything else, good paste is just fine

Go and get a tube of MX-6

Here's something for a bit of context

On a stock cooler, vs a full aio or even water

A 7800X3D improves a whole 3% under full power

[pearl gulch]

I mean, it was more of a , 'how stupid is this' question over 'how cost efficient is it'

[cyan ravine]

Now the 9800X3D, has a little bit more to give with pbo, but we aren't talking stock coolers here

Well hang on I'm getting round to it here

[pearl gulch]

lol

[cyan ravine]

A noctua cooler, especially two of which known to be fine with 120W cpus

You won't see much if at all change on a 9800X3D with kryosheet

AM5 is infamous for having very little cooling needed due to the inefficiency of it's design

So really the result will be, you'll try the kryosheet

Improve like, 4°?

Which sounds cool and great

[pearl gulch]

but then

[cyan ravine]

Until you realise you're at 72C anyway

So it made no difference

$7 tube of MX-6 is peak 👌

MX-6 lasts a long ass time

I went two years with zero temp changes on MX-6

It's the best paste I've owned to date

You can expect that out of a kryosheet

[pearl gulch]

depends on if you were scarred 8+ years ago by ruining a computer because you couldn't apply thermal paste

so alternative options make you wet

[cyan ravine]

There's no silver based pastes anymore

You don't have to worry about damage

[pearl gulch]

that is something we talked about

[cyan ravine]

No conductive pastes

[pearl gulch]

the appeal was still there because of what happened, but yea, I hear your point

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[pearl gulch]

added the mx-6 to my list 😛

[cyan ravine]

You can dunk a whole pc in a new age paste and it'll turn on lmao

[covert vapor]

Did they finally discontinue Arctic Silver?

[pearl gulch]

so basically, thermal paste is now dummy proof.... just a little bit after I dummied a computer

[cyan ravine]

Yeah you're fine now

I think the only conductive left is obviously liquid metal, but also cooler master had a diamond one

I believe it's "semi-conductive"

It's not like dangerous but it's advised to be careful with it

Liquid metal on the other hand, extremely conductive, avoid using the stuff

For the truly insane/elite/no just actually insane tbh

[cyan ravine]

I'm not sure tbh. They likely long have but you still see it appear from time to time

MX-6 is just always better tho really

[pearl gulch]

man, it's a good thing I'm asking so many questions.

hopefully it's not annoying

[pearl gulch]

well, only thing my friend says is that he has the kyro-whatever on 4 of his computers and doesn't use thermal paste with it and basically uses it so he doesn't have to ever clean up the solution to re-apply.
You mentioned it isn't as peachy as it seems. any context on that?

I'm already sold on keeping to thermal paste for the cost efficiency, but just looking to hear more. I do not like cleaning up and re-applying paste, but now there's the conflict of 'you need paste with it' and then my friend using it without paste.

not to mention whatever makes them 'not as great as they seem'

[cyan ravine]

Never clean up? What

I'm pretty sure kryosheet is identical to any ptm

And ptm I've cleaned a LOT of in the past

It's not special in that regard

It's great for temps and longevity

However my point is it makes no sense in what you need it for in which good paste should be ample

Buy once for like $35 every few years, or buy once for several years at $7

Considering the degree of difference this would make to the pc it's really not worth it

Let alone kryosheet alone basically being ptm and you can get ptm for way less in much more quantity

A good paste will last as long as ptm/kryosheet as long as the heat density isn't ridiculously high, which is exactly what this 9800X3D situation is lol

Let's keep things in perspective here. You had a 10900K or something like that right?

That was just shy of 5 years ago

If in 5 years you say "No I'm still never upgrading again" you may have made that worth it with kryosheet/ptm

But if in 5 years you say "It's time for me to upgrade" you're changing cpu and cooler again lol

MX-6 I can pretty strongly warrant it has at least 2 years of non-stop life in it, 2.5 is easily doable

[pearl gulch]

sorry, you keep saying ptm, what dat

[cyan ravine]

So the difference is you are basically avoiding 1 paste change in your upgrade cycle for $28

[cyan ravine]

It's what kryosheet is based off of

The original is called honeywell ptm

A 2.5mm sheet of phase change thermal paste

[pearl gulch]

i was told this one didn't phase change, hmm

[cyan ravine]

They perform identically but you can buy it from like joyjom or even LTT store for way less

I need to also point this out

[pearl gulch]

rip

[cyan ravine]

Lol

Like I'll admit there's a market for this kinda thing

But 9800X3D is not that market

Lol

[pearl gulch]

copy copyt

[cyan ravine]

Here's mx-6 vs kryosheet

And PTM is comparable

MX-6 in this test btw is not cured, neither is kryo

MX-6 will drop off a little then settle in

Kryo and ptm both can "cure"

They improve with weeks of time

Kryonaut btw, never buy

Useless paste

I bought loads of it, 6 month repaste cycle

MX-6 is as good and lasts way longer

But if you want something that's a halfway house of both, PTM is good, and not conductive

LTT store is currently the only source I know for guaranteed ptm

It's also a pita to apply

But I strongly encourage MX-6 here

If this was something else like a 14900K, XTX, even a 5090 tbh

Really high heat chips

High density loads

That's where this better stuff really shines

For normal stuff MX-6 just rocks

It holds up tremendously well with time

(unless ofc you get a bad batch, like a faulty product of anything else, it happens rarely)

We used to have Joyjom as a source of genuine 2.5mm ptm. It worked really well and cost like half or less than half of kryosheet

[jagged ember]

Really, kryo is actually bad??

Thats wild

MX6 for the win lol

[cyan ravine]

I bought a LOT of kryo over the years

I even did the stupid and bought extreme at the end of it thinking it'd be better

And it was, for like, 2 weeks

Then I learned the painful truth about paste and kryo

Lmfao

Extreme was evaporating literally in days

[dusky hearth]

[cyan ravine]

Truly extreme paste

Extreme evaporation

[pearl gulch]

How would I downgrade a hyper m.2 into an ultra m.2 so it reads my ssd? I'm in bios now trying to figure it out, but no luck

There's another ssd in m2_1 that isn't being detected. If I swap the ssds, the detection issue remains in the same spot. Someone said I might just need to change the setting on the m2

[plucky timber]

What is a hyper m.2

That's not a thing

[pearl gulch]

Look man, I don't make things up... it says hyper...

[plucky timber]

That's marketing

It doesn't actually mean anything

Where is the drive not recognised?

In windows?

You probably just need to initialise the drive

[pearl gulch]

Well, I'd get you more info, cept, im In my uefi

Initialize? It's not being recognized in uefi

[plucky timber]

What pcie slots are occupied?

And what motherboard is it?

[pearl gulch]

Z590 phantom gaming 4
p1.90

[plucky timber]

Which m.2 slot is the klevv occupying?

[pearl gulch]

Only slot used is GPU

The m2_1 slot

[plucky timber]

What processor are you using?

[pearl gulch]

And the m2_2 slot, I've never seen.
Cpu is an Intel 10th gen. We already identified that it doesn't support 4th Gen ssds, but can still run them at half speed

[plucky timber]

That explains it

The slot would not work at all

You'll have to use one of the other m.2 slots

If you have any available

[pearl gulch]

Damn, so that's a hard no.... the m2_2 is the e key wifi slot (seems wrong but I can't find it otherwise)....

[plucky timber]

You could get a m.2 to pcie x1 adapter

There are also adapters for m.2 wifi cards

[pearl gulch]

Nah. This was just supposed to tide me over until I finished the new pc... I'll just wait

[plucky timber]

Oh ok

Yeah you'll just have to wait a bit sadly

[pearl gulch]

Was mostly using as a learning experiencd

[golden viper]

Looking to upgrade to am5. Is it really worth the price to get the ryzen 7 9800x3d instead of the ryzen 9 9950x?

I mainly game and that's about it. Very rarely do I use the pc for anything else.

[plucky timber]

Anything that is not an x3d isn't worth over ryzen 7000

I'd either just get a Ryzen 7000 or go all in on the X3D

Ryzen 9000's value is abysmal aside from the X3D

You barely get any performance uplift

[golden viper]

Which ryzen 7000 would be best for gaming? And somewhat future proof?

[plucky timber]

Depends on your budget

[golden viper]

Well I'm looking at the ryzen 7 9800x3d currently a dumb it's like 600$ which is ridiculous

[plucky timber]

For the whole pc?

[golden viper]

I have a whole pc. I'm looking to upgrade

I'm upgrading mobo, cpu, and ram to ddr5

[plucky timber]

What do you already have and what's the budget for the whole upgrade?

[golden viper]

My pc is...
I9 9900k
7900xt
prime Z390-a
750w psu
3tb m.2
2tb hdd
32gb ddr4

I was about to spend 1k. But I have ram and mobo picked out.

Just didn't know if it was worth going 9800x3d or if I could get away with another am5 cpu that's good for gaming.

[plucky timber]

Do you need a new cpu cooler?

[golden viper]

No

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hkTYJn

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vr8KMV

[golden viper]

So just go 9800x3d then

[plucky timber]

If it is within your budget

[golden viper]

I have my mobo and ram picked out already

[plucky timber]

You can easily fit a 9800X3D in a 1L upgrade budget

The cpu is very pricey at the moment

Hence why I included the 7600 list too

[golden viper]

Just didn't know if there was a good option that wasn't 600$ forna cpu

[plucky timber]

So you could decide if the X3D is worth it

[plucky timber]

The Ryzen 7 7700X is practically the same in gaming as the Ryzen 5 7600

So the 7600 would be the best value pick if you want to go cheaper

[golden viper]

Hmmm I'm not opposed to paying up for good parts. Just thought 580 for that 9800x3d was wild.

[plucky timber]

It is

It's pretty inflated in price

[golden viper]

Well looks like I have a decision to make lol

[plucky timber]

The msrp is $480

So you're paying $100 more

[golden viper]

That's wild

[plucky timber]

Yeah I personally wouldn't buy it at $580

But it is well within your budget

[golden viper]

What about the 9950x?

[plucky timber]

How much is it?

[golden viper]

Decent cpu?

3 something.

[plucky timber]

I mean it's... Decent

But I wouldn't buy it as a gaming cpu

Over cheaper options

You won't be seeing much performance uplift relative to how much more you're paying

[golden viper]

So that 7600 or 7700x would be better?

[plucky timber]

In performance/$ in games? Absolutely

[golden viper]

Ok for sure. You think the 7700x is somewhat future proof?

[plucky timber]

Eh

Nothing is future proof

Considering how this entire generation is a stagnation yeah ryzen 7000 still holds up really well today

[mossy venture]

7800x3d is $370 on aliexpress atm

Or 7700 is $160 something

[plucky timber]

It's like Ryzen 9000 never happened aside from the 9800X3D

[plucky timber]

What about tariffs?

[mossy venture]

No clue

[plucky timber]

I'm a bit hesitant to recommend AliExpress cpus these days due to tariffs

[mossy venture]

The links are in #tech-deals if you feel like looking

[plucky timber]

But it is a good option to explore

[golden viper]

I'd love to go 9800x3d

[mossy venture]

Worth looking at what the price comes out to, I'm pretty sure the list price would be higher if tarrifs were affecting them

[plucky timber]

You're paying almost double the price of a 7800X3D if that aliexpress deal is legit

[golden viper]

No clue how to.figure out the tariffs

[plucky timber]

Or at least 50% more

[mossy venture]

Just add one of the cpus to cart and go to check out

[golden viper]

And how do I know it's legit without paying up lol

[plucky timber]

I mean legit in terms of the price being the final price

[mossy venture]

The seller is legit, I checked them for all three links I posted

[golden viper]

There was an Amazon listing for 333f for 9800x3d but I got scared because it was a new store front with 0 items sold.

[mossy venture]

7700 at $164 is fantastic btw

[mossy venture]

Yeah nah

Fake

[plucky timber]

Yeah amazon has just as many scams as AliExpress imo

[mossy venture]

Oh also

7500f at $130 or the 7700 at $164 with plans to upgrade to a 9800x3d or equivelant later is a good plan too

Can resell it for as much if not more than you paid for it

[plucky timber]

If you think about it like this

Getting a 7500f now

And then waiting for 9800X3D to drop in price

[mossy venture]

7500f is a 7600 without an igpu btw

[plucky timber]

You might not have to pay more money than what you will be paying now

For an X3D

That is, assuming that the X3D will drop in price

[mossy venture]

7500f goes for $160 plus on the US market

It'll maintain most it's value at least lol

7700 is probably somewhere around $190-200

[golden viper]

Hmmmmmm

[mossy venture]

I'm talking used btw

[plucky timber]

Considering how Ryzen 9000 is abysmal

[mossy venture]

7500f can't be found in the US other than the second hand market

[plucky timber]

Ryzen 7000 will definitely keep its value for a bit

[golden viper]

The 7700x id like 270 on Amazon

[plucky timber]

Nah

Too much

[mossy venture]

Ye i mean used

[plucky timber]

$270 is wayyy too much imo

Especially as a gaming cpu

[mossy venture]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807706639691.html :p

[plucky timber]

In games you won't be seeing much uplift relative to how much more you're paying

Those cores are useful

Just not as much in games

ooo that's a decent price

[golden viper]

Got the link to that 9800x3d on ali?

[mossy venture]

7800x3d is $370 but no 98 sadly

[golden viper]

Ohhh i thought it was a 98

[plucky timber]

Yeah 9800X3Ds have been going through price shenanigans

I haven't seen a single MSRP chip

[golden viper]

Same

Even used is wild

[plucky timber]

Not since launch

It's been months and I've yet to see a reasonably priced 9800X3D

[golden viper]

Well guys i appreciate the help. I have some thinking to do and a decision to make. Love my phanteks case BTW

[plucky timber]

Phanteks user?

👀

Pog

[mossy venture]

W

I've got a p360a (that I kinda hate)

[plucky timber]

Good luck on your deal hunting

[golden viper]

P500a love it

[plucky timber]

I used to have an enthoo pro 2 until I had to sell it

One day I'll buy one again

[mossy venture]

I wonder if 9600x3d is coming

[mossy venture]

Dayum

Are you upgrading that cpu or a diff build?

[golden viper]

Upgrading. It's a z390a mobo and i9 9900k

[plucky timber]

Oh snap

Is that one of those giant pokemon cards

[golden viper]

I have the mobo and ddr5 picked out just need to male a decision on cpu

Yeah lol

[plucky timber]

Yooo

[golden viper]

Stole it from my son. It's a mewtwo

[plucky timber]

I had one with charizard

Don't know where it went

[mossy venture]

mind if I ask which?

[golden viper]

Asus x870 and Gskill z5 trident6000

[plucky timber]

6000 c30?

[mossy venture]

could I suggest some alternatives?

[golden viper]

Yup

[mossy venture]

unless you need the pcie lanes x870 doesn't really offer any benefits

[golden viper]

Trying to stay white build

[plucky timber]

Oh white build

[mossy venture]

32gb ram?

[golden viper]

Yes 32gb

Yes white build to go with the case

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QzP8TW/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ctcwd532g6000hc30dc01

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zfmnBL

[plucky timber]

This is a pretty good kit

[mossy venture]

yeah either kits fine

[plucky timber]

ohh rgb

Forgot about that lol

[mossy venture]

or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vHNscf/asrock-b850-steel-legend-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b850-steel-legend-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4jKscf/msi-x670e-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-x670e-gaming-plus-wifi

they'll all provide the same experience really

[golden viper]

I was looking at that asrock

[mossy venture]

the steel legend is one of the best b650/b850s under $250

fantastic board

that said there's $120 boards that can handle a 9800x3d w/o issue

these have a fair bit more features/ports and nicer aesthetics tho

[golden viper]

I tried to avoid this ram kit.

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fxdG3C/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-rgb-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdh

otherwise back to g.skill https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q6Jp99/gskill-ripjaws-m5-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040f16gx2-rm5rw

assuming you want rgb anyways

also you're not planning to do 4x16gb right?

[golden viper]

The rgb is meh. Don't care if it's there but has to come at the right price.

[mossy venture]

this'd be good then https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ypRwrH/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdg

[plucky timber]

The teamgroup kit is pretty aesthetically pleasing imo

Kinda reminds me of those nzxt motherboards

Here's a picture I stole from someone else

[golden viper]

Not going to lie i saw this and didn't choose it because I was un familiar. I'm going to try to stick to G.skill just because I'm familiar with it.

[plucky timber]

They're a lot better than corsair

They're all using...

Micron was it?

[weary galleon]

Under the heatsink they're all pretty much the same

[plucky timber]

Hynix?

[mossy venture]

Silicon power is good, same warranty as g.skill too. It's your money/pc so I won't tell you what to buy, but I have recommended their ram hundreds of times and only one person has told me they had issues with them, and no quality control is perfect

[plucky timber]

It's either micron/hynix memory dies

[mossy venture]

6000c30 is all hynix

[plucky timber]

SP and TeamGroup have pretty good quality control

Way better than corsair

Ok to be fair that's a low bar

But still

They're fairly good

[mossy venture]

Corsair is corsair

At least their psus are good, and they don't even make those

Your rm750x will hold up great

[golden viper]

I'll eventually upgrade it too.

With that asrock board, my 7900xt will work fine?

[plucky timber]

Yes

[golden viper]

I don't need the lanes from the 870?

[plucky timber]

Asrock makes better mid range boards than asus on average these days

[plucky timber]

With the cpu lanes alone you probably have excess

[golden viper]

I don't like the asus tax either.

[plucky timber]

It's more that they're just not that good in quality in general

At least for the low end to lower mid range

Their higher end boards are good but overpriced

[golden viper]

I only picked that asus 870 board because I liked it's looks plus it had all the things I need.

[plucky timber]

Funny how Asrock used to be a joke a couple years ago

[golden viper]

There solid!

That's what brand my gpu is.

[plucky timber]

ooo nice

I remember back in the 2018 pcmr era

People used to make fun of asrock users

Rightfully so a lot of times

Their boards used to be... Not so good

They've really stepped up their game in recent years

Especially with AMD boards

They were one of the first vendors to offer bios versions for newer AM4 cpus

Extremely based

[golden viper]

I'll probably grab that asrock board. Thi k I'll have to bios update to make it current?

[rain carbon]

I have an am5 asrock

[plucky timber]

Not sure

Depends on what cpu it is

[rain carbon]

Literal only thing i dislike about it is its whine and rgb stuff sucks

[plucky timber]

And when that batch was released

[rain carbon]

Was 100 bucks

[golden viper]

White is my build choice and rgb doesn't bother me

[plucky timber]

Gonna check if it has flashback rq