building-and-recc-chat

[pearl gulch]

test as much as you want 😛

[cyan ravine]

I'll demonstrate

Ok

I wanted to demonstrate

My network has gone down lmao

[pearl gulch]

all good, I'm running an extreme test now and going to try to go to bed again.

hope ur network revives itself.

[cyan ravine]

Correct vs. not correct

[nova coyote]

any particular reason why the 70 version than the others?

[cyan ravine]

I had to go and so I typed the first card I could think of lol

If you want 1440p consider 7700XT minimim

3070 can do it but there are a lot of games wanting more than 8gb vram now, it's not impossible but it's gonna be a bit annoying

You could kinda use a 5600X with a new gpu but it'll be a little strained in more modern titles

Just because it's the way they are made

4070 super, 7700XT, 7800XT, 7900XT, 7900GRE if you're lucky, but 5700X3D is probably the easiest cpu side upgrade you could do

Slap a $30 A620 SE dual tower on top of it if the 5600X has no custom cooler

Fairly straightforward

[pearl gulch]

looks like my memory test had no errors but i didn't know it could go higher than what the freq was set to after booting (like my settings are 3200, but the test says it went to 3792)

[cyan ravine]

That's the cpu clock

[pearl gulch]

oh derp

next up on my chopping block is a debloat script then

[cyan ravine]

Yeah if your ram is fine I'm thinking bloated install af

Full drive wipe (again, NOT RESET) with a debloat might be a much bigger jump

Food for thought

[mossy venture]

Did you run an sfc/scannow and dism?

dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealth

dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth

dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

[real flicker]

Anyway I could get more fps without changing socket? Running 5800x3d, 6950xt, 32gb ram 3600x cl16

[mossy venture]

Gpu ocing

Maybe ram tuning

[real flicker]

Never been very good at gpu ocing usually let the software auto oc😬

[pearl gulch]

i haven't in a while, but I'm working now, so I'll worry about cleanup of my OS after that 😛 I do more maintenance on my work PC than I do on my personal 😦

[dusky hearth]

All you basically do is adjust some settings
Do stability testing
Adjust depending on if it's stable or not

[mossy venture]

Sounds good, running an unstable xmp and mess with windows so it's a good idea

And that can definitely affect loading times

[somber hemlock]

Time to do MPT

[pearl gulch]

well, DISM completed with no errors, sfc scan running, then chkdsk, then i find this cleanup script and compare it to the one I use at work and run that

[calm dove]

MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 for a 6800 xt good ? @mossy venture @cyan ravine 🙂

good psu ?

[mossy venture]

Yes def

Great psu

It can handle almost any gpu, the exceptions being maybe a 7900xtx/3090/ti/4090/5090

And honestly a 4090 is probably fine on it with a low enough power cpu, like the 7800x3d or 7600

[calm dove]

yeah just asking about the quality

you know hhh

[mossy venture]

Understandable

[calm dove]

wait

be quiet! System Power 10 750W 80PLUS Bronze found this

10$ cheaper

msi is 110$ /bequiet 100$

[calm dove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DvqVmC

can i save 50$ and go 5600x/5600 ?

bequiet bad ?

[languid nimbus]

Nah bequiet is usually pretty good, there’s psu tier lists you can look up

[mossy venture]

The AGL is better

[mossy venture]

Yes

[calm dove]

so 8/16 useless

?

[mossy venture]

Within 1-3% in almost every game

[calm dove]

yeah

you are right

[mossy venture]

12600k/kf 13400f/7500f would be a bit better for games

But overall would cost a lot more especially for the 7500f

[calm dove]

7500f is 180$

32 ddr5 160$

[mossy venture]

You could do 7500f with a cheap mobo and 16gb ddr5, and add a second stick later

[calm dove]

mobo minimum 130 $ bad one

[mossy venture]

Specifically 1x16 not 2x8

It's abt 20% better than the 5600 for gaming, but I understand the extra spending is very off putting

[little osprey]

Oops

I always forget

[calm dove]

yeah budget is 1000$ max

[little osprey]

I just found an Intel i3 the other day in a near 2010 laptop

[calm dove]

thats why

[manic cloak]

@calm dove did you buy anything from your list?

[calm dove]

nope

[manic cloak]

And any preference to RGB/build color?

[calm dove]

dont care about rgb

[manic cloak]

👍

[mossy venture]

Theyre from north Africa

[mossy venture]

I'd still say use the stock cooler w the 5600 instead of buying one tho

And did the b450-plus have bios flashback?

[calm dove]

its tray version but there is a 10$ cooler

[mossy venture]

Ahh

Whats the cooler?

[calm dove]

now looking for a better mobo

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

[potent portal]

No

[calm dove]

Arctic Alpine 23 10$

or maybe i will search for a used amd version under 10$

[mossy venture]

Oof

[manic cloak]

Oh!

[weary galleon]

Yeah this isn't gonna be better than stock. I'd either try to find a stock cooler for $0-5 or buy a thermalright assassin x 120 for ~$17

[calm dove]

thanks for info

[little osprey]

https://www.chillblast.com/all-gaming-systems/chillblast-the-vantage-core-i7-rtx-4070-super-edge-gaming-pc-1?cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=21654680103&cq_con=172007157534&cq_term=&cq_med=pla&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_pos=&cq_plt=gp&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADxAu8RXoOeGHZPW4R2hetqiqzI3X&gclid=CjwKCAiA5Ka9BhB5EiwA1ZVtvCA7utFtgm_wsyty0yGSdlrVp3UFkDozzM6yloaz33IdRkXMxtacDBoC0zIQAvD_BwE#container-fluid-product-tabbed-content-default_1674754095733

does anyone think switching the cpu out and getting this PC is good?

im not good at building

so looking at pre builts

[mossy venture]

No

[little osprey]

best place for pre builts uk?

[mossy venture]

You can buy parts and pay someone to build it locally, like a pc shop. Otherwise @fossil cedar knows the UK market a lot better than I do

Awd it or whatever that site is has some decent pre built deals at times

[calm dove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bGRM4p

i think this is final ?

changed to Cooler Master G Gold 750 V2 750 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX

[mossy venture]

Looks good, only thing is the mobo not have bios that supports 5000 series

Without bios flashback you need an older cpu to update bios

[calm dove]

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-b450-plus/helpdesk_cpu?model2Name=PRIME-B450-PLUS

support 5600x

[calm dove]

a store will buid it for me for free

i think they have old cpus

[mossy venture]

Yes, with the correct bios version

Oh probably

[fossil cedar]

Yeah I'd go AWD-IT with a bit of customisation for prebuilts in the UK, what's your budget? And what will you be using the computer for?

[little osprey]

3600, streaming and gaming

[fossil cedar]

3600? Jesus you sure that'll get you the top of the line, honestly i wouldn't spend more than maybe 2.5k as the value really rolls off

Lemme have a look though

[little osprey]

2.5 then haha

[fossil cedar]

Fair enough gimme a min

[little osprey]

cheers pal

[fossil cedar]

Little bit more because of the stock being a bit crap atm but here's a really nice system, gave it mods to have 32gb ram and a 7800x3d instead to go with your 5080, they didn't have any good 64gb ram options unfortunately, if you're comfortable I'd get the base ram option and buy another set yourself and install that (it's the easiest part of building a pc) but if you're not bothered then I'd go with this
https://www.awd-it.co.uk/awd-it-3500x-rgb-ryzen-7-7700x-8-core-nvidia-rtx-5080-16gb-next-day-gaming-pc.html?config=38529-425229,38532-517750,38535-425247,38538-519885,38541-479614,38544-425292,38547-476173,38556-425577,38562-425628,38568-425712,38574-425736,43009-469387,43132-470944,44119-477619,44404-479620,45957-492573,45960-492660,47520-509812,48376-517309

[little osprey]

thank you 🙂

[fossil cedar]

Obviously you could swap it to the white case/fans/cooler etc

No problem

[little osprey]

yeah yeah

[near garden]

For bios update do you guys recommend to strip down mobo or can I flash it already built ?

[potent portal]

Either way is fine

[mossy venture]

For an example of what it's cost to DIY
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/k6ND74

[fossil cedar]

could have gone cheaper with an xtx build tbf but for streaming would still prefer nvenc/av1

tbf with simlar specs youre not saving thattt much https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YRq92x

[languid nimbus]

Is it truly worth going for a 5080 over a 4080/ti?

(Genuine question)

[shut rampart]

No

Tho I’m not an expert

[vocal hare]

if its available its better

stock is doodoo rn so you like kinda dont have many options

[shut rampart]

ugh I hate lian li mobo psu cable its too long, pause, and I tried to use my old psu cable but it doesn't fit since its two different holes pause again.

[vocal hare]

you what

[pearl gulch]

oh man, all the troubleshooting I did led to this much of an increase in performance. Haven't checked if it's enough to make me happy:

oh wait, that's 1gb and 2gb... gotta rerun...

well, numbers were basically the same vs 1GB, so yea, big increases in performance over the last few days

[jagged heath]

should i get a CPU: Ryzen 5 5600GT 3.6GHz (4.6GHz Turbo) 6-Core 12-Thread , brings faster response time to easily handle multi-threaded tasks.
GPU: AMD Radeon Vega Graphics(CPU Integration) , which enables you to play 1080P mainstream games at gaming-quality frame rates.
RAM: 16GB DDR4 3200MHz
SSD: 1TB M.2 NVMe PCIe4.0
Power supply: 550W (80plus bronze)
Cooler: AMD air cooling + 3 X 12cm RGB FANS ensure low noise and sufficient heat dissipation

[crimson zinc]

No

From someone who has used an igpu for a few months

No

What’s your budget @jagged heath

[jagged heath]

or a i7 6700 + 1060 gtx

[jagged heath]

the cheaper one looks better

its 200 dollars cheaper

[jagged heath]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356555077981?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20230811123856%26meid%3Ddf82db02ce2040e3b6fbc06d24a92333%26pid%3D101770%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D356555077981%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DRecentlyViewedItemsV2WithMLRPboosterAndUpdatedFeatures_BP%26brand%3DIntel&_trksid=p4375194.c101770.m146925&_trkparms=parentrq%3Af3108f301940a8cfb3589a92ffffc4f4|pageci%3Aca63366d-e828-11ef-ab21-beb5e90408d9|iid%3A1|vlpname%3Avlp_homepage

[crimson zinc]

Nonono
What is your monetary budget

[jagged heath]

like 450

[crimson zinc]

Lemme do some digging

[jagged heath]

alright thanks

[crimson zinc]

Do you need to stay on Newegg?

Or can I look other places?

[jagged heath]

i can go anywhere

ebay new egg

[crimson zinc]

Okay

[jagged heath]

the ebay build isn;t good?

[crimson zinc]

@jagged heath is $450 a hard limit? Or am I fine looking up to $500?

[jagged heath]

450 is best

[crimson zinc]

Okay

[jagged heath]

yeah i have exactly 450

but i also wanna save so i can get a 240hz montior

cuz i only have a 75 hz montior rn

so no point in getting a good pc that can run all these games if

i don't even have a good monitor

[crimson zinc]

https://www.jawa.gg/product/58142/1080p-gaming-pc-i5-8600k-and-nvidia-gtx-1080-and-32gb-ram-and-15tb

This is probably the best in your budget range without building it yourself

If you can build it yourself, I can give you some items to look for

Building is not as complicated as it looks

[crimson zinc]

Leave that for later, Facebook marketplace is always a good place to look for monitors cheap

At your price range, a 75hz monitor is fine for now

https://www.jawa.gg/product/57630/amd-mid-tier-gaming-pc

honestly, if you get this, and upgrade the gpu, you’d be set for a while
A 5600x is a great cpu

@jagged heath

[jagged heath]

ngl for 200 dollars more this is not good

[mossy venture]

yes it is

cpu is about 15-20% better and gpu is a good 30-40% better

7700/1060 wont keep up with modern games

8600k/1080 should handle 60 fps+ in everything

the cpu is a lil on the low end, but it should be alright

end of the day it's your pc and your money

[crimson zinc]

This would even be good
The 570 would need upgraded, but a 5600x is a great cpu from the AM4 generation

Both would be a large upgrade from the listings you’ve chosen.

[jagged heath]

so i should get this

[mossy venture]

if you feel like upgrading the gpu reasonably soon, sure

the 570 is about on par with a 1060

[crimson zinc]

That’s my personal recommendation

[jagged heath]

this preforms similliar to the ebay one

[mossy venture]

no, it does not

what are you looking at

[crimson zinc]

A 1060 and a 1080 are vastly different in performance

[mossy venture]

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/3502vs3548/GeForce-GTX-1080-vs-GeForce-GTX-1060

35% difference between the two

[jagged heath]

yeah your right

is the ebay listing a good deal?

[crimson zinc]

I’d say no

[jagged heath]

honestly i could just buy a new graphics card in the next 2 months

[mossy venture]

you can look at facebook marketplace, but id say no

[crimson zinc]

I’d get this, and plan a good upgrade to the gpu

A 5700xt is about $100-120 and a good upgrade

[jagged heath]

what about a 2060

or 2090

idk much abt pcs

or whatver the 2000s graphics card is

[crimson zinc]

The 2000s series is still a bit pricy used

If you want, a 2070 super is a solid gpu

[mossy venture]

if you want an nvidia gpu, 1080, 1080 ti, 2070, 2070 super, 2080, 2080 super, etc

[jagged heath]

yeah im gonna get a 2070 super

from my local micro center

[crimson zinc]

So to recap

What pc are you getting today

[jagged heath]

this

[crimson zinc]

And you’re gonna upgrade to a 2070 super

Sounds like you got a gaming pc my guy

[mossy venture]

if its around 170 or under thats solid

[mossy venture]

also wait

with microcenter you can prob build a gpuless pc and add a gpu in a bit

and you can have them build it

[crimson zinc]

That might go over budget for him

[mossy venture]

id have to check

[crimson zinc]

$450 hard limit

[jagged heath]

thank u for your help

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gqyRYd

Mc has a bundle, 7600x mobo and 16gb for $300

[crimson zinc]

@jagged heath

Might be expensive to upgrade, but at least you’ll be on modern generation

Add a gpu later

[mossy venture]

A better case isn't a bad idea

[crimson zinc]

Sama time

[jagged heath]

that doesn't have a graphics card right

[crimson zinc]

The 7600x has an igpu, but it’s much much better than the one you had selected

[jagged heath]

im js go with this

[crimson zinc]

Jawa also has a joining offer

[jagged heath]

bc i don't want to build

[crimson zinc]

For creating an account and buying something

[mossy venture]

mc can build it for you

its also very easy using a tutorial

[mossy venture]

i think it's $50-100 depending on location tbf

[jagged heath]

i think its best if i buy this

https://www.jawa.gg/chat?users=379460&users=370189&productId=57630

[mossy venture]

you do you

[crimson zinc]

@jagged heath let us know when it gets there

[jagged heath]

ok chill

[mossy venture]

?

[jagged heath]

alright add me on discord

[mossy venture]

its your money lmao

[jagged heath]

alright

[jagged heath]

how much will this run fortnite and valorant and minecraft at all low fps

[crimson zinc]

We can’t see the chat you’re talking about

[jagged heath]

the jawa pc

[potent portal]

What you linked was a private chat message from what I can tell

[jagged heath]

oh ye my bad

[jagged heath]

https://www.jawa.gg/product/57630/amd-mid-tier-gaming-pc

[crimson zinc]

It’ll run them probably under 60 fps until you upgrade the gpu.

Basically, the pc has the blueprints for a good build.
But the gpu needs upgraded and lags behind the other parts.

[jagged heath]

alright than its best if i don't get it

im not trying to use something unplayble until i put more money into it

[potent portal]

"Mid-tier"
Yeah that was mid tier in 2020

[crimson zinc]

It’s the best option you’ll get for the price point.

It won’t make it unplayable.

[potent portal]

That GPU only has 4GB of memory so it'll stutter like crazy when it fills up

8GB is getting to be too little these days, even at 1080p

[jagged heath]

honestly i think im better off getting the ebay pc

[crimson zinc]

You will not be

Me and Bacca have told you it’s not worth getting

It won’t do any better than the 570

[jagged heath]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356555077981

i rather have a 1060 and than upgrade it

[mossy venture]

The cpu is far worse

You'd be cpu limited once you swapped gpu

[potent portal]

It also doesn't specify if it's the 3GB 1060

[jagged heath]

ill just upgrade both

[crimson zinc]

@jagged heath actually, the 570 beats the 1060

[mossy venture]

Bruh

[crimson zinc]

So it would be a significant downgrade

[potent portal]

In order to upgrade the CPU you need to upgrade the motherboard and memory too

[crimson zinc]

https://www.jawa.gg/product/57630/amd-mid-tier-gaming-pc

get this

When you got some extra cash, get the new gpu

[jagged heath]

but u said that'll only run 60 fps on most games

[crimson zinc]

And a 1060 will run 40

[potent portal]

At the price you're looking at that's about the most you can hope for

[jagged heath]

no way a 1060 will run 40 fps on minecraft at low graphics

[crimson zinc]

The 570 outperforms the 1060 on Minecraft

[potent portal]

Especially if that's a 3GB 1060

[crimson zinc]

Depending on the quality chosen, it’s anywhere from 40-100 frames

[jagged heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGTP1O_fpgI

[crimson zinc]

@jagged heath the 570 will beat that

[plucky timber]

8GB?

Tbh I'd take the 4GB 570 anyways purely because of extra GB of vram

[potent portal]

4GB

[sick parcel]

hey so I'm going to microcenter for my birthday and I need a build so Ik what to get there

my budget is 1k

mainly for gaming

[little osprey]

What are you looking for in a pc

[sick parcel]

something fast for gaming

[little osprey]

Just gaming or will you be using discord at the same time orrr?

[sick parcel]

discord at the same time

[little osprey]

Hmm

[sick parcel]

I have a 3 monitor setup

[little osprey]

What's your preference, amd or intel

Amd is much easier for first timers

[sick parcel]

I like both but I prefer amd

[little osprey]

Well okay, so generally I think you'd be good on 16gb of ram, a 4 core, and then choose gpu and motherboard

Do you want to be cheaper for the storage?

[sick parcel]

if I go cheaper for the storage am I going to get less

[little osprey]

Only if you get HDD

It doesn't really matter tho, SSD will do almost as fine as an NVMe slot

[sick parcel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/JARHEAD__GAMING/saved/#view=bfP7vK

would that build be good

sometimes the link doesn't work

I can ss it if you need me to

[little osprey]

You have the ASrock motherboard right?

Idk if I'm looking at my own pc parts picker

😂

[sick parcel]

yeah

[little osprey]

Yeah you're good

And it looks like you're saving 200 bucks too

[sick parcel]

nice

thank you

[analog hearth]

Bruh

[little osprey]

Is the parts available?

For the motherboard and gpu

When you're there

[analog hearth]

Thank you for picking Thermalright and not any other AIO

[sick parcel]

most likely

[little osprey]

Cowering rn

[sick parcel]

if not I'll get something similar

[analog hearth]

But also, you don't need an AIO for that CPU

[little osprey]

I may have gotten the corsair

[analog hearth]

Wait nvm

Just looked at the TDP

[little osprey]

Looks cooler 🤷‍♂️

[analog hearth]

Don't listen to me

[analog hearth]

AHHH DONT LISTEN TO ME

[little osprey]

LMAO

@sick parcel first time build?

[analog hearth]

Anything above 100W I'd put an AIO or a nice air cooler on it

"It's just 5W above 100W" yeah idc

[sick parcel]

yeah basically

[little osprey]

Very good man

[sick parcel]

I had help from my cousin with it

[little osprey]

I'm still studying how to throw together a proper pc

My first once I went overboard thinking ima do a lot but I didn't 😭

[sick parcel]

I figured I could start with that build and upgrade it overtime

[little osprey]

Spent 1.2k on just extra stuff I didn't need

[sick parcel]

damn

[little osprey]

Is that asrock motherboard available anywhere?

I love it

[sick parcel]

I'm looking rn

they have it where I'm going

[little osprey]

Ima have to head to microcenter then

Bad part is they're 1 hour from me

[sick parcel]

there 6 hours away from me

😭

[little osprey]

Holy, at least I'm not that far

[sick parcel]

I'm going to the one in pa

I'm in ny

don't really want to go to the city

[crimson zinc]

Philly?

[sick parcel]

yeah

[crimson zinc]

@sick parcel

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pXNFb2

Saved you a few bucks

Get a 3080 used on eBay

Better than the 7700XT

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pHj7GJ

Slightly different

[sick parcel]

thanks

[thorn mural]

how does a 5800xt cpu compare to like a 12600k/f?

I've never heard of it before, but saw it in tech deals

[marble delta]

So question, what are good reasonable monitor right now are good for rtx 4000 series like I have 4070 ti for example

[tawny violet]

cheapest 1440p OLED

[rain carbon]

https://computers.woot.com/offers/new-cooler-master-tempest-27-qhd-oled-monitor?ref=w_cnt_wp_0_87

Also i disagree

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1784672-REG/acer_um_hxxaa_302_27_wqqhd144hz_va_monitor.html

This miniled is def the best performance for money

[calm dove]

https://my.aoc.com/product/Q27G4F is this free sync compatible ?

[rain carbon]

The mini led i just listed is better value overall

[rain carbon]

Here

[calm dove]

just asking

[rain carbon]

It should be

Most modern ips are

Also

You have a nvidia gpu

So just use gsync

[calm dove]

because its not mentioned on specs

no i have amd gpu

[rain carbon]

Ah gotcha

Yeah it should run freesync fine

[calm dove]

okey thanks

[mossy venture]

12600kf is a bit better for gaming, 5800xt is going to be harder to cool

[rain carbon]

im honestly not aware the gaming difference between a 5800xt and a 7600x

[potent portal]

The 7600X is comparable to the 5800X3D so it should be at least 10-15%, sometimes 20%+ better than the 5800XT

[rain carbon]

im surprised its that big of a diff tbh

5800xt is 2024 chip right?

[potent portal]

It's basically a factory overclocked 5800X

[rain carbon]

gotcha

that explains it more lol

[marble delta]

Is this monitor is g sync compatible?

[potent portal]

yes

[marble delta]

Cool

[rain carbon]

does this monitor is freesync, and from my knowledge gsync has no problem working off it

[potent portal]

It's all standardized now. If it's not explicity certified by Nvidia you can still tick the box to enable it anyway.

[rain carbon]

yurp

i think freesync is the same with that

if its gsync compatible

[potent portal]

Yes it all follows the VRR standard. It used to be that it wasn't cross compatible, but that is no longer an issue.

If you get a gsync monitor from like 2015 then it won't work with freesync though

[rain carbon]

thought so

dunno why i mentioned panel tho lol

[marble delta]

So now Monitors with free sync after 2015 or 2016 they made it g sync compatible overall no problem depend on the brand right? Like Alienware or Asus.

[potent portal]

I'm unsure of the specific year of that change but it was around the time when Nvidia stopped using hardware gsync modules

[rain carbon]

waiting for nvidia to be all software at this point 🥹

[potent portal]

Anything sold as new right now that supports either freesync or gsync will be cross compatible using the Variable Refresh Rate standard

[rain carbon]

buy your 10090 with cloud service subscription

[potent portal]

Nah they're making bank off AI right now. If anything they'll just ditch the gaming market.

[rain carbon]

true true

i thought of the gaming segment as a subsidiary of that

well i mean even now

[weary galleon]

Nah

AI makes wayy more money than gaming/consumer cards

[tawny violet]

How much is it?

Cuz mini-LED HAS to be cheaper than OLEDs

Considering that OLEDs are just vastly superior image quality and motion

Like at least

15-20% cheaper for it to be better price to experience

Cuz OLEDs are just an entire new league

[rain carbon]

if you click the link, its 190 and the oled i sent is 370

both are really good for the price

but the miniled carries in terms of value

[tawny violet]

Okay yeah that's a fair one

I still think saving for OLED is worth

But it's not like the miniLED is awful or anything
I'm just biased towards OLED

[rain carbon]

fair. i think the oled is only worth if youre arent witheld by budget

id rather have a 7900xt and the miniled than a 7800xt and an oled for example

thats me tho

[weary galleon]

The other thing is that cooler master model has had some firmware issues; I don't know if they've been resolved yet

[potent portal]

I'll probably save up for an OLED as my next major upgrade instead of a GPU

Because GPUs are just... yeah

[rain carbon]

lol

[potent portal]

Not worth the effort

[rain carbon]

im accounting for when the gpu market doesnt suck

[potent portal]

So next year

[weary galleon]

Don't jinx it

[tawny violet]

Kinda debatable

7800XT already does 100+ fps at 1440p

[rain carbon]

its not debatable when im biased to my preference

for other people it might be

7800xt is still a great card ofc

really great

[potent portal]

It also heavily depends on what you play. If it's latency sensitive the monitor could be the upgrade that gets you a better K/D

[tawny violet]

And that OLED would legitimately give you a bigger growth in experience than the ~20-30 frames you get from a 7900XT

[rain carbon]

i think the oled would be more worth in competitive settings yeah

[tawny violet]

Not to mention incredibly amazing motion performance

No

Just
Outright

Competitive AND singleplayer

The colors, the perfect blacks, the motion performance all combined

It's such a big deal

[rain carbon]

well, ✨ to each their own ✨ , obviously the oled is better than miniled. i think the 7900xt was a bad example, i just meant that money is better put elsewhere on a budget

[tawny violet]

Going even from a mini-LED IPS to an OLED is a literal paradigm shift

[tawny violet]

Now that I can agree with
Always upgrade what you feel holds you back or annoys you the most

[rain carbon]

fair enough

[tawny violet]

For me it's ironically my controller and not having enough storage rn

And my monitor, maybe

[rain carbon]

i have an oled screen on my phone and my parents have a miniled tv. i would be more than happy with either

visual wise

performance wise i wouldnt be too bothered by miniled's shortcoming

[tawny violet]

Depending on whether the order I made for a 1080p IPS actually went through

If it didn't
I might just move straight to 1440p instead of 1080p

Tho my 6700XT would probably cry if I did

[rain carbon]

i lucked out so hard getting a 50$ 180hz 1080p LED in january

[tawny violet]

Yeah that's cool

I think I can get one for like

75 bucks

Or thereabouts

[rain carbon]

its a weird jump with duel monitor from 1440p to 1080p but if you adjust it right you get used to it fine

also its got great color

[tawny violet]

Or spend like 90 for a 1440p 165hz IPS

But again

My 6700XT would probably cry at me if I did that

[rain carbon]

yee i think youd need a gpu upgrade first lol

im at a point where id love an oled

[potent portal]

9070 would be a good upgrade for you

[rain carbon]

shoot even if i could get that miniled for what i paid my ips a year ago

[potent portal]

Supposedly good stock too

[rain carbon]

i just bought my gre in october

if anything id upgrade my cpu for rendering

[tawny violet]

For me?

[potent portal]

Yeah

[rain carbon]

oh shoot yeah probs you lmao

im running off 3 hours of sleep and a dream

but yeah if 9070 is what it promises to be that'd be an amazing upgrade for sure

[tawny violet]

9070 XT would be tempting if the price is okay at least

I'd want to go XT ngl

[rain carbon]

whats the predicted difference?

[tawny violet]

Cuz my goal is 4080/4080S performance roughly

[potent portal]

AMD still doesn't even know what the price will be

[tawny violet]

1440p 120+hz

[potent portal]

They're waiting out the 5070 launch

[rain carbon]

im still mad i paid 570 for my gre like a month before 7900xts were dropping to like 600 bucks in price LMAO

[tawny violet]

Oof

TBF depending on where you live

[rain carbon]

murica

tenn i see

[tawny violet]

I might end up buying your GR~ Ye nevermind lol I'm in Europe

[rain carbon]

lol

[tawny violet]

I was thinking of offering 450

[rain carbon]

pft nah id decline, appreciate the offer tho

[tawny violet]

You get to recoup enough to move up to XT and I'd get a competent upgrade

[potent portal]

cough cough rule 3 cough

[rain carbon]

id do like 500 minimum, but then europe gets equated here

[tawny violet]

Then again
That would've only worked if it wasn't like thousands of miles

[rain carbon]

i wouldnt actually sell my gre

i like the silli colors

[tawny violet]

It was a theoretical

[rain carbon]

i assumed so

[tawny violet]

Which one is it?

[rain carbon]

red devil

[tawny violet]

The waifu one?

Oh nvm

That's Sakura

[rain carbon]

ouch

[potent portal]

I figured that was the case, that's why it wasn't a serious warning

[rain carbon]

🥹

[tawny violet]

I do wish that GREs didn't just freaking disappear from stores tho

Like

It's actually painful cuz it'd make sense for me

[rain carbon]

i honestly like just the name itself, it feels fancy fr

[tawny violet]

But ye frankly I'd need up upgrade my PSU anyway

[potent portal]

Did you OC your VRAM to close the gap to the XT

[tawny violet]

Tho...

[rain carbon]

i did but felix told me it aint worth it

[tawny violet]

@potent portal do the 7800XT need a 750 to be safe?

[rain carbon]

so i returned back to the default factory clock

[tawny violet]

Or can I get away with a 650 and not have issues

[potent portal]

Depends on the PSU, but a good A tier one should be fine

[rain carbon]

ill send my tower rq

[tawny violet]

It's an EVGA GQ 650

[rain carbon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R64C4p

[potent portal]

Hmm that's a B tier unit known to trip OCP too quickly

[rain carbon]

i dunno how much a vram oc would help tbh

[tawny violet]

Can't open list but what mfg GRE?

[rain carbon]

mfg?

like multi frame gen?

[tawny violet]

Manufacturer

[rain carbon]

😭

powercolor

[tawny violet]

Yeah I'm pretty sure they used the worse VRAM

That doesn't OC well

[rain carbon]

maybe, curious how it is on the red devil

[tawny violet]

Those might actually have the good chips

[rain carbon]

thats what i was thinking

its listed factory overclocked too dunno to what degree

havent really compared it apples to apples to other gres

[potent portal]

It'll depend on if you got Hynix or Samsung memory, that GPU could be either

[tawny violet]

Ultimately I'm fairly sure a 6700XT can get by on a 550

[rain carbon]

all i know is i got 2350mhz stable

when overclocked

can jump up to 2400mhz but havent fully tested it

how would i check the vram manufacturer?

[potent portal]

If it was Hynix then you should be able to do 2500

Take the cooler off and look at the module

[tawny violet]

Yeah that's the worse VRAM

[rain carbon]

ill do that when i get home then

[rain carbon]

ah rip

[potent portal]

K4ZAF325BC-SC20 is Samsung
H56G42AS8DX014 is Hynix

[rain carbon]

i'll still check nonetheless, hadnt fully tested it out when i was messing with clocks

also tbf i undervolted it too with the vram oc

havent done just a naked overclock to it lmao

[tawny violet]

But if it isn't stable above 2400 it is basically confirmed either Samsung or borderline Hynix

[rain carbon]

again i'll check just for funzies

but i wouldnt be surprised if its samsung

theres still a lot of kinks i havent figured out with my system, i still dont know if its my motherboard that has coil whine or my gpu

since it whines even on igpu

[tawny violet]

I'm just gonna build a whole new ITX rig

It's gonna be really weird at first

@rain carbon 7700 and 7800XT in an nCore 100 Max lel

(cuz I can replace those easily and get my sister an upgrade too

[rain carbon]

will that need water lol

[tawny violet]

Or maybe try to snag a used 6900XT

[rain carbon]

actually used 6900xt/6950xt sounds like a good road if you can get a good price

[tawny violet]

I mean, if you enable PBO you have a 7700X

[rain carbon]

tru

[tawny violet]

I can get a 6900XT for the same amount that I bought my 6700XT for (180k HUF)
While a 6950XT is around 255k HUF
For reference the 6950XT is cheaper than a GRE rn

And the case has an 850w PSU anyway so that's no problem

So like I see no issue

[rain carbon]

how much is a gre over there lol

450usd for a 6900xt definitely aint bad tho especially for the markets circumstances and europe moment

[tawny violet]

290k

[rain carbon]

yikes

[tawny violet]

I THINK you can get one for 275k on like a "permanent sale"

But that's for people with a paid membership

[rain carbon]

all i hear is not worth it

in glistening bold

[tawny violet]

Tru

It's like neon light letters

[old heath]

Is 900 enough to build a decent pc?

I'm thinking about selling my laptop to build one, but I don't know if it’s a good idea or not

[languid nimbus]

Yeah you can get a decent one, especially if that’s just the pc itself not including peripherals

[stoic island]

Yea it's definitely doable but I'd wait for March for 90xx release if possible

[languid nimbus]

^

(hopefully march has it been confirmed yet?)

[stoic island]

Lisa Su said early March, most info points to March 6th but it could be any time in March

[analog hearth]

bett can't wait

[vale birch]

Hi smart friends. I was hoping someone might have some insight on this issue.

I have a Lenovo Legion T5 26ARA8 AMD Ryzen 9 7900 and am trying to upgrade my RAM by adding 2 addtional 16GB crucual sticks in slots 1+3 to the 2 factory 16GB stick in slots 2+4. On powerup we get fans and lights but no boot, post, monitor or bios. I'm seeing a mix of various people on reddit having similar issues with some fixing but not really explaining how they fixed in a way relevant to my setup

[stoic island]

How long have you waited for it boot?

What exact ram are you adding and what exact ram is already installed? Look at the label on the ram for the details

[vale birch]

I'm addinh 2 Crucial DDR5-5600 16GB 1.1v and it currently has 2 16GB of the lenovo factory ram

[topaz rose]

4 sticks is bad idea

[old heath]

Are you online?

[stoic island]

What's up

[old heath]

Can you tell me if what I have so far is compatible or not? Because the website I'm trying to use to check doesn't have all the parts

[weary galleon]

PCPartPicker.com?

[old heath]

Yeah

[stoic island]

Sounds reasonable, don't expect xmp to be stable, but how long have you waited for it to boot on turning on? Early am5 has issues with memory training on first boot taking up to 10min

[stoic island]

Send the link, don't take the URL from the URL bar, send the link near the top of the page in a yellow box

[old heath]

And buildmypc

It’s on the app

[weary galleon]

Pcpp should cover most everything. Maybe not radiator or gpu length, but you can look that up on the case manufacturer site

[old heath]

I mean I just can't find certain parts

[weary galleon]

Huh

[old heath]

I found the parts but can't find them to put them into the checker

[weary galleon]

What parts

[old heath]

Let me go check

I couldn't find the case and monitor, but I started over on some of the other parts that I couldn't find just in case

[stoic island]

Pcpp has a built in compatibility filter that's pretty decent

Uncheck the box on the top left while searching and it'll probably show up

[old heath]

Oh ok

[stoic island]

Pcpp isn't very good with monitors though

They don't have everything when it comes to monitors

[old heath]

Thank you

[shrewd gale]

Can't built my pc, only missing the graphic card and it will probably take months

[pearl gulch]

will the klevv c910 4tb ssd work on a 'Z590 Phantom Gaming 4' mobo? I'm imagine the answer is yes, but I learned the hard way that my samsung 980 pro was 4th gen and would run on the same mobo, but at half speed.

i don't know what the 4x4 means in the ssd's specs or whether i can put it in the hyper m.2 slot

[cyan ravine]

It'll run

At half speed again yes

[pearl gulch]

good enough for now 😛

[cyan ravine]

But this won't affect daily performance so yeah

[pearl gulch]

just want to make use of it before i make my new pc

[cyan ravine]

It's basically a redundant issue

[pearl gulch]

trying to also decide whether i want to rma my 980 pro since it came with a bad sector

[cyan ravine]

Wym bad sector

If you're gonna say like "It only has 1.92TB not 2" that's supposed to happen it's by design lol

[plucky timber]

Technically it has 2TB

[vale birch]

I gave it a good 40min. Got on with Crucial support and tested each new card solo in slot 4 with boot giving it 20min each to try training. I haven't been removing the cmos any of these times and trying that no. Just waiting to reconnect the battery then will try with just the 2 new cards

[cyan ravine]

They have huge stock issues with the AMD cards rn due to 50 series being out of stock* everywhere. Hang tight or if you can't wait, used cards aren't bad

[shrewd gale]

Already in back order, I just feel side that everything sitting on the floor, waiting...

[cyan ravine]

[shrewd gale]

Atleast, got my 3D printer install

[cyan ravine]

I know the feeling

You're just waiting for the last piece

Lol

[shrewd gale]

Yeah, patient the key

[stoic island]

clear cmos and try booting with only the new sticks in the same slots as the old sticks without the old sticks being in

[vale birch]

after reseating the CMOS battery, I decided to just put the old factory sticks back in and return the 2x 16GB to exchange for 2x 32GB so I only utilize the 2 slots...but now it won't boot with the 2 factory sticks fml

[stoic island]

Clear cmos again for the old 2x16 sticks

What motherboard exactly is it?

[vale birch]

This is after clearing the CMOS (skipped trying the new sticks after clear since there would be no upgrade in mem)

I'm on AMD B650 chipset

[jagged ember]

What model what brand

Its important to know exactly what you have for further troubleshooting

[vale birch]

It's AMD 600-series I'm not sure I know any more than that

[pearl gulch]

hmm, would a hyper m.2 on a mobo also not work if the cpu was gen 3?

mine hasn't ever worked and I had to put my ssd in the ultra m.2 on the mobo to register that something was there.

either that or the mobo is bad and i need to rma that too

[potent portal]

Memory is slots 2 and 4 right?

[potent portal]

It runs at gen 3 speed, and you may need to manually set that in bios

[pearl gulch]

hmm ok. ill try that next reboot 😛

that awk moment when even 3-4 years ago, your friends were telling you intel was in a nose dive... you ignored them and bought intel everything... and none of your intel stuff was up to the current generation that you other gear was in.

[jagged ember]

Brand loyalty never ends well haha

[potent portal]

That would have been... 12th gen?

Or 11th?

[jagged ember]

Maybe 12th

[potent portal]

11th was really the harbinger of doom for them

[pearl gulch]

i can't remember is 10700 11th gen?

[potent portal]

That would be 10th

[jagged ember]

Ah yeah 10th

[pearl gulch]

ah aight

[potent portal]

Which was a good one

[jagged ember]

That was the last time they were on par or better

[vale birch]

yes!

[pearl gulch]

so maybe not the problem, but i feel like the mobo's ability to use a ssd is important to put on the specs and/or i didn't read it.

[jagged ember]

Its in the manual Im sure

[plucky timber]

10th gen intel is based

[potent portal]

How long are you waiting for it to train after clearing cmos?

[plucky timber]

10400F and 11400F was actually pretty good

[jagged ember]

Unless its not what I'm thinking

[pearl gulch]

well, I thought my mobo had to support the ssd, which i checked. but i didn't know about the cpu supporting only up to gen 3

[potent portal]

Actually now that I know it's 10th gen, I can say that's probably the cause of things. And it does specify in the motherboard specs.

[pearl gulch]

my mobo supports gen 4, just it doesn't register in that slot when i plug it in

[potent portal]

Some motherboards, particularly B560 and Z590, only activate the M.2 slot when an 11th gen CPU is installed

[pearl gulch]

man some of the fine print would be nice to have before i buy something 😛

[potent portal]

You have nerds on call to ask now at least

[jagged ember]

True

[potent portal]

There's so many little things like that which go into choosing parts

[jagged ember]

It should be printed on the box but

There's no standard to do that lol

[potent portal]

Here's an example of the fine print https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B560-AORUS-PRO-AX-rev-10/sp#sp

[pearl gulch]

ok, so I've had you guys vet most of my build. i only haven't selected a gpu, 'because next month new gpu's are coming out'
But after thinking about it, I don't intend to buy a newest GPU unless there is a good reason to try to?

I wouldn't know that reason, so hopefully I can be enlightened

[potent portal]

The key is that prices should go down on last gen models once the new ones launch

Especially with AMD potentially offering a near 7900 XTX level of performance for $600

[pearl gulch]

ah, sweet. so the ones we talked about might get cheaper. sounds good to me. i might not be patient enough to wait 😛

[potent portal]

Which is on par with the 5080

[pearl gulch]

let me double check the GPU's I was being recommended. I only recently became aware what a 5080 was

rip, I didn't store them in the lists.

?ubn

was trying to grab those other benchmark links... wiped all my browsing history during computer cleanup

[potent portal]

?ubm

[jolly river]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[pearl gulch]

oh

[cyan ravine]

Yeah they're pretty bad

They openly give AMD flack with no recourse

If you search many parts of the website you find some pretty hilarious tinfoil hat posts

[pearl gulch]

wait so my 1080 ti is probably still fine to just move over to my new PC? looks like the amount im willing to spend on a single part for my PC leaves me looking for gpu's around trhe same benchmark scales

[cyan ravine]

1080Ti is still fantastic man

[potent portal]

One of the latest fun ones is the 9800X3D review where they recommend buying a 13600K instead

[cyan ravine]

It's fantastic in a 1080p sense, anyway

[cyan ravine]

The trustpilot thing kills me

[pearl gulch]

feels weird to not replace my gpu lol

[cyan ravine]

1080ti was just that based tho

[vale birch]

I leave the battery out for about 30min, then reseat the battery / gpu / ram, seal it and power up. Does it need to sit a bit after reseating the battery?

[potent portal]

No, but it can take up to 10 minutes to train the memory on the first boot after clearing

[cyan ravine]

Can someone catch me up on this Beef situation

I've been glossing build chat a lot cos of the nvidia drama

Lol

[vale birch]

yea, I've let it run longer than 10 and still have a blank screen

[vale birch]

purchased 2x 16GB crucial sticks thinking I could add to the 2x 16GB factory stick in my Lenovo Legion T5 26ARA8. Kept running into no boot situations. Tried each individuall in slot 4, no go. Reset CMOS now and put back the 2x factory sticks in slots 2+4 where they started just trying to get back to square one, and still no boot

[potent portal]

TL:DR got a new kit of memory and tried to run as 4 mixed sticks, didn't post. Tried using only the old memory, no post.

[cyan ravine]

Only old and no post?

Cmos cleared I'm guessing

[vale birch]

correct

[cyan ravine]

Power off battery out hold power 10 seconds?

[vale birch]

yup

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm

Which cpu

I will start by saying mixing is obviously no go from here

[vale birch]

im holding power right after unplugging

[cyan ravine]

Battery out or in

[vale birch]

battery in when holding power

[cyan ravine]

And you've tried battery out ye?

[vale birch]

battery is behind the vcard

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Pulled it out yet?

[vale birch]

just the once

[pearl gulch]

my friend says to check with you guys on this, the mobo says it supports the gen 5 pcie as m.2, but that I should be wary of it actually working with my new /future upgrades since next gen stuff might need it.

[cyan ravine]

Nah don't worry about it

It'll run the ssd no issues

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm which cpu is this

I'm guess it's a ryzen

I've almost never heard intel with this

[vale birch]

AMD Ryzen 9 7900

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

Idea

[potent portal]

Nobody needs a gen 5 ssd unless you're scrubbing 16k video

[cyan ravine]

Have you tried using one of the old sticks

Slot 2

[pearl gulch]

what about gen 5 other pcie stuff in the future?

[cyan ravine]

Leave it for an hour trying to boot

[cyan ravine]

They'll run gen 5 if and when you need it

It'll run the speed you need rn

It's backwards compatible

[vale birch]

just tried with old sticks in 2+4 after clearing CMOS and was running 2+ hours

[potent portal]

The top GPU slot is only 4.0 anyway, which is plenty even for a 5090

Between those 2 things that's the most common PCIe devices

[cyan ravine]

Just 1 not 2

[pearl gulch]

sounds good

[cyan ravine]

But 2 for 2 hours?

[pearl gulch]

just making sure because we didn't know

[cyan ravine]

Hmm

Did you see what the board said

Was it showing any flashing lights

Usually there's a debug code to tell you what's wrong

Little cluster of 4, or if you're lucky, a little code readout

They are coded as cpu, dram, vga, boot in that order for the 4 lights

[vale birch]

no I haven't been watching inside the tower, fans and lights are starting as normal. The board has a interface to print code?

[cyan ravine]

Often middle right or top right

They'll flash lights in an order

Cpu, dram, vga, boot

If it won't start it'll tell you which one it's stuck on

If your board doesn't have this...whoa.

Be like X79 era

[plucky timber]

Strix ahh board

So much plastic

[lone flame]

@cyan ravine hey remember that dual gpu build I sent from the amd server that made no sense

[vale birch]

IT looks like those are here, only three, none lit powerup just now

[lone flame]

💀

[cyan ravine]

None lit up

[pearl gulch]

is there a reason not to go with an x870 over my 'B650M Pro RS WiFi' pick? or vice versa

[cyan ravine]

Well none lighting up would imply dead mobo which is impossible cos it turns on

[plucky timber]

Cost

[potent portal]

It's more expensive for features you'll never use

[plucky timber]

B650 boards have 99% of the features you would ever use

[cyan ravine]

They perform the same, one just has way more lanes, usb, storage slots, pcie. Stuff 95% of people don't need and it costs a lot

[plucky timber]

Even pcie lanes

These days you usually have an excess of pcie lanes

[pearl gulch]

copy that. my friend wanted me to ask. i couldn't remember if i looked at it

[plucky timber]

If we measure by gen 3

[potent portal]

Some X870 boards have less lanes used than a B850 anyway

[plucky timber]

I wonder

[cyan ravine]

Think of it like a more expensive usb hub

[plucky timber]

Are there B650 boards with bifurcation?

[cyan ravine]

No

[potent portal]

yes

[cyan ravine]

Wha

[plucky timber]

👀

[potent portal]

Mine does

[plucky timber]

budget nvme server?

[cyan ravine]

Bifurcate like 8/8

[potent portal]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

Tf live mixer???

[pearl gulch]

lol, and I think I picked this board, so was hoping it didn't give off and red flags from you guys

[plucky timber]

I want to see 4/4/4/4

Imagine...

[potent portal]

Lowkey goated board ong fr

[plucky timber]

Running an entire nvme server off consumer grade hardware

[potent portal]

Ew I hated typing that

Never again

[cyan ravine]

Sure?

[potent portal]

Give me a minute and I'll grab bios pics

[plucky timber]

We hate overpriced stuff

If anything we don't like the X870

[cyan ravine]

Can you test that cos that's a huge deal if true

That's the cheapest bifurcating board on the new gen rn if true

[plucky timber]

I want to see 4/4/4/4

Imagine how many gen 3 ssds you can run off a 9800X3D...

[plucky timber]

Guys

Here's a crazy idea

What if you have an eATX board

[cyan ravine]

Can you test if it works tho

Cos like

Manus often just ship copied bioses

[plucky timber]

But instead of full size pcie slots you just have a crap load of pcie gen 3 m.2 slots

[potent portal]

I'll put it in x4x4x4x4 mode and see what the GPU runs at

[cyan ravine]

You could but then how will you know the other slots work

Couldn't you do x8/x8 and use slot 2

It's ok if you don't wanna, pure curiosity

Not gonna force ya to do anything

[potent portal]

This is bifurcation of a single slot

Runs at x4

[cyan ravine]

I would truly believe it if slot 2 runs x8

[potent portal]

I have no way to test that

[cyan ravine]

You can't move the gpu to slot 2?

Select 8/8 and gpu only in slot 2

It'll report x4 or x8

[potent portal]

Slot 2 does run off the CPU

That might actually work

[cyan ravine]

Cos that would be the real teller cos then it's physically wired x8 yeah

[potent portal]

Before I try let me check if it's wired for x4 or x8

You can tell by looking

Nope that would be x4

[cyan ravine]

So then the option would just reduce slot 1 with no benefit

Lol

[potent portal]

No SLI for me

But I could run a 4x M.2 adapter off slot 1

Or split it into 2 x8 slots

with an adapter

[plucky timber]

Can't you do that with most b650s already?

I think my old b450 had that option

[next pier]

which is better?

[plucky timber]

AliExpress 7500F

[cyan ravine]

It's easier to tell us your budget, country, and uses for the pc (including wifi or colour preferences)

Just picking a part every 2 days is slow af

We can make a list in 5 minutes

[potent portal]

The 9600X is about 5% better at gaming, so hopefully the price reflects that

[cyan ravine]

7% in price

[plucky timber]

Surely there's better priced cpus

Than both of these

[potent portal]

Zen5% for 7% upcharge

[cyan ravine]

Well we won't know without the big picture in mind

[plucky timber]

Like uh

7500F

[dusky hearth]

canadian bucks

[plucky timber]

True

[cyan ravine]

Canadian mon-'ey

[next pier]

gaming major / video editing (adobe after effects, premier pro) & photoshop
canada
$1600-1800
black

[cyan ravine]

Wifi?

[next pier]

yes

[cyan ravine]

@next pier
Took me ages but I managed about as much as physically possible out of $1800
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/yBHTpK

[tawny violet]

Tray 7700 feels pretty good value here rn

[cyan ravine]

13th gen is amazingly cheap in CA

[tawny violet]

Like it's actually cheaper than the one with the stock cooler and I already have a cooler at hand

[cyan ravine]

Get near 7900 MT for over half the price

[tawny violet]

@cyan ravine 7700+PBO is just a 7700X right?

Effectively speaking

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[tawny violet]

Based
I can get one for 100k HUF rn

Which is 40k less than a box 7700X

(TBF the 7700 is a tray one so I don't exactly know if there's any problems with that in terms of like warranty or such)

[potent portal]

Warranty will depend on who you bought it from and not the packaging

If they're not an authorized reseller, you can forget warranty

Unless you get their original receipt

[tawny violet]

Oh they are a large etailer

It's brand new too

@potent portal does the name Ipon tell you anything?

I mean they're kinda like our Newegg

Kind of

The point is that it's a legit online retailer and the chip is brand new "in box"

@cyan ravine Dis one

[cyan ravine]

What's that in usd

[tawny violet]

Uh

270

268.93 or something like that

[cyan ravine]

270 kinda bleh

How much is a 13600K/F there

[tawny violet]

27% VAT be like

[tawny violet]

New?
More
Used?
I'd have to check but probably close to this

[cyan ravine]

Similar scenario

Tray

Really hating how slippery discord behaving rn

[tawny violet]

I was wrong, it's VERY slightly cheaper for the KF

But Quicksync is super useful

[cyan ravine]

Tbh

235-ish?

That's quite good

[tawny violet]

Oh no

That's more like 255

[cyan ravine]

For what is effectively the same but more multithread

[cyan ravine]

Still kinda better if the boards are same or less

[tawny violet]

Intel boards with the same features (roughly) actually cost more here

[cyan ravine]

If you want multicore that's hella compelling for the cpu

[tawny violet]

Again, at least when new

[tawny violet]

I'm thinking games first tbf

[cyan ravine]

Ik

Small tax for socket life basically

[tawny violet]

Ultimately I think AM5 overall is worth that tiny extra investment

9800X3D drop in upgrade

[cyan ravine]

By the time you reach that drop in

10800X3D will exist

[tawny violet]

Same thing really considering that's still likely to be AM5

[potent portal]

11800X3D if they make another APU only gen

Like they did with 8000

[tawny violet]

Point remains imo

AM5 is shaping up to be a goated socket

Assuming AMD doesn't pull an Intel and ditches it with Zen 6

[potent portal]

That is unlikely since their 5 year promise expires in 2027

[tawny violet]

Ok but

Consider the following

AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity

[potent portal]

With their current cadence of an 18 month development cycle that'll put the zen 6 launch at around April next year, give or take a month or 2.

[tawny violet]

Tru

I'm simply saying I'm wary of promises

But the track record with AM4 IS promising

[potent portal]

AMD delivered on it before so a little more trust that average is earned imo

[tawny violet]

Just me bing paranoid

[cyan ravine]

Bing

[tawny violet]

Yes

Also

To give due credit

[cyan ravine]

Bing bong bing bing bong bing bong

[tawny violet]

I'd say AM5 is already a goated socket even if nothing more comes to it

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/mashle-dance-mashle-s2-mashle-mashle-op-s2-mashle-op-gif-7764977466568651041

[tawny violet]

Just from what's currently available for it

I just don't like overtly lofty promises

[cyan ravine]

I can't get it out of my head @potent portal

[tawny violet]

Bruh

But yes

AM5 is already a better socket and it COULD get better
I'm just not really looking for promises

[cyan ravine]

Bing bong bong, bing bong bong, bing bong bong buwam

[manic cloak]

AM6 socket will be pins on both sides of the cpu

make a motherboard sammy

[cyan ravine]

What on earth transformer ass motherboard

[manic cloak]

it's just innovation

[potent portal]

No it'll be no pins on either side, wireless cpu

[manic cloak]

who knows next, inside out PC cases with cable management outside

and everything else hidden on the inside

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/mashle-dance-gif-9745779996362916675

The sounds a 5090 makes while it burns

[tawny violet]

Lmao

[cyan ravine]

BING BONG BONG, BING BONG BONG, BING BONG BUWAM

[tawny violet]

:3

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/floating-levitating-levitation-black-guy-gif-20123481

cpu be like

[next pier]

its good, here i dont need additional 2 tb, cuz i already have an extra hdd

and is i5 13600kf better than 7600x?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

In terms of what it sounds like you wanna do, a lot better

$1800 was a really strange budget, like it felt like there was just nothing in that middle ground to make every dollar worth it other than an extra TB of storage lol

So I put another 1TB in lol

[pearl gulch]

I plan to cannibalize my noctua fans from a few years ago instead of the thermalright phantom spirit 120's.. thoughts on that?

[potent portal]

Go for it

They'll be quieter and probably a bit better performance

[pearl gulch]

ohrly

[potent portal]

If you know what model fan they are I can give a better estimate of the numbers

[pearl gulch]

ill send that info soon

[vale birch]

Tried everything again, this time - shut down - remove ac cable - remove ram sticks - remove battery - reset cmos jumper - hold power btn 10 secs - wait 30 min - add factory cards back in slots 2+4 - reseat battery - closed it up, plugged in and powered on. I got lights and fans for about 30 seconds then it shut itself off/restarted and has been running about 30min now with black screen. no light action on the cmos debug lights... will let it keep running

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm

Checked psu plugs are all the way in at any point?