building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

Pretty sure, but locked in time too

[plucky timber]

How many tubes do people break trying to bend them

[frigid night]

I only have 1 thing for a custom loop. A huge ass d4(?) pump sitting at the bottom of my bottom drawer lol.

[cyan ravine]

And I say all this despite how diminishing water loops are

[cyan ravine]

D5

Lol

And yes you want ddc or d5

D5 you run low rpm to keep up the life of it

[frigid night]

I knew it was either 4 or 5 lol

[cyan ravine]

Like, 30-50% or so pump speed

[frigid night]

The reservoir on the thing doesn't even fit in my 011devo

[cyan ravine]

Lol

I've seen those things die a lot over the years

Even 50% speed they tend to burn out

[frigid night]

After how long of use?

[cyan ravine]

Couple years

Varies

[frigid night]

That's not that bad I guess

[cyan ravine]

The best things you can do, low speed, also no premix colour bs

[frigid night]

I don't expect my AIO to last another year of heavy use tbh

[cyan ravine]

Clear fluid, low speed

[cyan ravine]

Often aios actually last longer cos they use clears

Lol

Simple glycol/water mix

[frigid night]

Like propylene glycol?

[cyan ravine]

With less in the loop the less friction and build-up it deals with

Ye

It's the same stuff used in food handling

[frigid night]

I have gallons of glycol lol

[cyan ravine]

I have about half a gallon lol

Gallons of water tho

[plucky timber]

Jesse we need to cook

Turn on the i9 14900k

[frigid night]

I also have gallons of veggie glycerin

[plucky timber]

We're cooking in your custom loop now

[flint sapphire]

Jesse take off the heat sink of the 5090; we need to cook

[frigid night]

Has the 50 series specs been announced?

[flint sapphire]

Reviews are up

Just the 5090 tho

[cyan ravine]

Skip vs 40 series imo

But not if you get msrp

If you get msrp you still win

Only msrp tho

Lmao

[frigid night]

Have I said I dislike you for telling me to hold off?

[cyan ravine]

Well I wasn't wrong about that part

[flint sapphire]

I’ll be the devils advocate then

[cyan ravine]

The part I was wrong about was launch stock

I expected more

It'll be VERY limited

[frigid night]

I totally told you what they were doing lollllll

[flint sapphire]

Buy buy buy! 4x the frames minimum frame fringing for barely any latency ai ai ai

[cyan ravine]

And Aibs aren't even matching msrp now

[plucky timber]

Isn't the msrp $1999

[cyan ravine]

I do not recall but anyway

You can still jump to used previous gen

[flint sapphire]

5090 is incredibly powerful for only 2k

[cyan ravine]

A $800 4080/super is excellent

[plucky timber]

Reminder that for $1999, you can get a RTX 4080 Super and the rest of a computer

[cyan ravine]

I hate that this is a thing now

[plucky timber]

The msrp exists for a reason...

[cyan ravine]

No same price msrp cards apart from founders

[plucky timber]

Isn't FE ass tho

[cyan ravine]

We used to have multiple msrp lines

[plucky timber]

At least for temps

[cyan ravine]

It's ass temps but all the previous gens we had multiple msrp priced cards

[plucky timber]

Hmm

[cyan ravine]

This gen it's looking like that won't be the case anymore

Only FE

Potentially

[plucky timber]

What about for the 5080

[cyan ravine]

Both

The prices look really grim

[plucky timber]

💀

Sigh

7900XTX reigns supreme

4080S owners win big time

[flint sapphire]

A reminder 5090 is ai 🤖

Ai is worth

Buy buy buy

[plucky timber]

What's funny is that

For AI applications

[flint sapphire]

4x the frames 16x the detail

[plucky timber]

For $3000 nvidia has a dedicated devkit

Which is definitely what dome of these 5090s would be priced near

[flint sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[plucky timber]

So

5090 is just meh

[flint sapphire]

Nuh uh the 5090 is the pinnacle of room heating technology

And 4x the frames

[cyan ravine]

Astral has been suggested a few times to be $2800

[plucky timber]

so basically

[cyan ravine]

Which isn't remotely worth it

[plucky timber]

Not even a good AI card

Just buy a nvidia digit devkit

🥱

Thanks nvidia for nothing

The prize goes to AMD this gen for releasing checks notes ONE good product

I hate this generation so much it's like skylake and bulldozer combined

[cyan ravine]

Just wait for 9070 XT

The rumour mill is they genuinely delayed it for a better release

They wanted to avoid launch problems

And make sure the price is right (They need time to fix this)

I've also heard they're fixing up their FSR4 as well for next gen to make it more comparable

[cyan ravine]

But that one comes from a dubious source so more salt than the rest here

[tawny violet]

It'd be a cool thing if the 9070 XT was priced right and delivered what rumors say

[plucky timber]

I'm hoping that Radeon is delaying it to actually have a solid launch

Maybe they saw the curse of recent launches and decided

"we could swoop the market if we don't release slop"

[cyan ravine]

Is what a number of people are saying yes

[plucky timber]

It'd be extremely funny

But it also makes me pretty skeptical

Maybe the launch was originally uhh

Sloppy

Which does fit in line with the rest of the recent releases

I have a feeling that radeon might be a disappointment too

[cyan ravine]

If the skepticism is correct, this was the right move long term

People complain now but not when it drops

They'll complain that it looks too good instead

That's GOOD publicity

Granted, this is all hypothetical

[tawny violet]

IDK depending on price it might compete with 4080 even

In terms of fps/$

[cyan ravine]

Can only wait and see

I think there's more than enough out there from the press to tell AMD "MAKE CHEAP AF AND WIN"

[tawny violet]

Ye it's the move rn methinks

[analog hearth]

ngl I think a 5080 Ti would make sense. Just give it a few more CUDA cores and whatever other cores as well and give it 24GB. There's room for this both in specs and how overpriced it would be (probably would MSRP for $1500 🫠)

[cyan ravine]

They likely could do that yeah

But with no competition they need market demand

[analog hearth]

Yeah that’s true

[cyan ravine]

1K to 2K is a huge bracket though I agree

It's very possible

[analog hearth]

They should've just slapped 20-24GB in the 5080 to begin with. The 5080 doesn't make sense lol

[cyan ravine]

The entire 50 stack makes no sense

5090 isn't even an upgrade

[analog hearth]

Man I’m considering a 4080 though. But idk I wanna see how AMD performs

[cyan ravine]

Used 4080 or a stupid cheap 7900XT is a good play rn

4080 gets DLSS 4 and reflex 2 which will be viable for regular use once it's widespread

[analog hearth]

Man there's really no word on AMD's embargo lift 🫠

[cyan ravine]

So like

4080 gets decent value now

[analog hearth]

Ooooh if the 4080 gets DLSS 4 then my 4070 Super gets DLSS 4. I might not even upgrade

[cyan ravine]

It does

[analog hearth]

I thought that was gonna be just a Blackwell thing

[cyan ravine]

40 series only misses out on MFG which is basically in alpha stages

But FG now looks good where it can be used

[analog hearth]

DLSS 4 also isn't a bad thing though

[cyan ravine]

No it's an excellent thing

And reflex 2 halves system latency

Tests show this amazing improvement

FG has become usable

MFG as well but it looks like garbage

[analog hearth]

Can't wait now. I might not even upgrade for some time lol

[analog hearth]

It's too early

[cyan ravine]

By the time 60 series drops we can use MFG most likely

Which is when I'll likely upgrade

[analog hearth]

MFG is too much of a dream rn to become reality

[cyan ravine]

$2000 6090 sounds appealing

[tawny violet]

It's kind of amazing how 40 series seems to gain value rn

[cyan ravine]

Because 50 series fixed all the 40 series problems in a single sweep

[tawny violet]

Like they're bottoming out in price, features get better
It's really a viable play

[cyan ravine]

50 series best parts have nothing to do with the PCBs the cards ship on

[tawny violet]

Hehehehehehehe

[cyan ravine]

The engineering and software are massively better

The FE pcb is stunning, even the codec made a monumental improvement

But the chips are rubbish

They won't be worth it for some time

Next gen however I look forward to actual improvements

It's actually kind of weird

Likely in a year 50 series might be usable

But rn it's like

Beta v0.8

[analog hearth]

It might just be another Super series and then they'll claim "they lowered the price again"

[cyan ravine]

MFG is a bad metric to go off of

[white temple]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XhWc4p
Is this a good PC build? I would appreciate any advice or changes, but the CPU cannot be changed, as the whole purpose of this build is to be super small and I happen to already have the cpu in the list

[cyan ravine]

That ram

Not new, not corsair

Infamously bad DDR4

[analog hearth]

That's also an odd CPU/GPU combo imo

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nDDjJn

[cyan ravine]

He explained

💀

[analog hearth]

My bad

idk how to scroll up

[cyan ravine]

Ur fine

I'm blind often too

[analog hearth]

This tutorial helped a lot
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZFLFwRTtMtk

[analog hearth]

ohhhh okay

[white temple]

If you know of a cheaper, more compatible GPU I'd like to know

[cyan ravine]

The integrated one?

[analog hearth]

I personally wouldn't go lower than a 6600

[cyan ravine]

What's the objective here

[white temple]

Well, I want a little more power than that

[cyan ravine]

Cos 2400G is really difficult to justify nowadays

[analog hearth]

Crazy thought but what about a 8700G? You'd get more CPU power (GPU power though? If not, you can still save for a better GPU)

[cyan ravine]

The igpu is not 6600 tier by a mile but it's not an awful idea tbh

[analog hearth]

Save ~$200 now, put that budget into an okay-ish iGPU and then just save up for at least something like a 6700 XT. Far better outcome tbh

Plus it's a better upgrade path

[white temple]

I've thought about that, but I already have a 2400g and I'm just trying to use it for something, and I need a tiny PC that I can easily take with me to other places

[analog hearth]

Ohhh I see

[white temple]

But I want it to be decently powerful and I don't wanna spend too much money

[analog hearth]

You say you need a tiny PC. The 8700G and 2400G have the same TDP (iirc)

[white temple]

Tdp?

[analog hearth]

Thermal Design Power (it's basically a measurement of how hot the CPU will get. Super broad way of putting it lol)

[white temple]

Ah

[analog hearth]

They're both at 65W. You could use the same cooler with either of them

[cyan ravine]

If you can lament future games being difficult to even run then the parts I listed above is serviceable

The 2400G is really low tier

Really really low tier

Like bare minimum these days for AAA is 3600/5500 imo

And that's rn

In a few months unlikely

[white temple]

That's fine. It's purpose is to be an emulation powerhouse and if I wanna play a multi-player game and bring it over to someone's place

[cyan ravine]

More like 5600/X

I see

[analog hearth]

Honestly I won't even go below a 5600X anymore if I'm gaming with it

[cyan ravine]

Well then this is ok

[white temple]

If it's a AAA of today, I got an actual gaming pc

[cyan ravine]

Just emu will be usable

[analog hearth]

8700G (or even 8600G?) isn't a bad move. I think roomba did that recently and then got a GPU some time later (or maybe he's still looking for a GPU idk lmao)

[white temple]

If it was cheaper than a 6600, I'd absolutely go with that

[analog hearth]

true yeah I forgot they're like $330 or something

or I guess $255 for me

[marble delta]

Sooo umm i'm looking for a new Computer cases to transfer my recent old parts and stuff
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Vessman/saved/BhgykL

any good airflow cases for this 2 year old build?

[cyan ravine]

Corsair released a new 4000D version that's actually kinda recommendable if you love corsair

Frame 4000D?

Something like that

It's $99

[marble delta]

reallyu

link?

is it more spaces

for the GPU?

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nbXMnQ/corsair-frame-4000d-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011290-ww

If not that then probably like

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nhbRsY/montech-xr-atx-mid-tower-case-xr-w

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kKcgXL/montech-air-903-base-atx-mid-tower-case-air-903-base-b

In black obv

[mossy venture]

Sama 3509 is solid too

[marble delta]

is the Corsair 3500x solid also?

[cyan ravine]

No

Not those

Those 500X cases got awarded worst cases of 2024

[marble delta]

oof

[cyan ravine]

That was a really low point for corsair quality

Frame 4000D went back to what made them good

[marble delta]

Soo either the latest 4000D or the 3509?

is there any other case similar with good air flow?

[cyan ravine]

Yeah those are reasonable suggestions, the montechs are good

Phanteks xt view

Is another

[marble delta]

i just don't like the stand feet

[cyan ravine]

^

[marble delta]

these are only option that is close to the view cases?

[cyan ravine]

Off the top of my head those are the decent ones

Montech comes with reverse fans and a fan controller included

The price is good for what it is

[marble delta]

ok no problem thank you

[sage thunder]

is the AOACE Gaming PC Desktop Computer, AMD Ryzen 7 5700G 3.8GHz, AMD Radeon Vega 8 Graphics,16GB DDR4, NVME 1TB SSD,WiFi6 & Bluetooth, Windows 11 Home,Small and simple chassis White a good budget pc?

[dusky hearth]

no

well, depends on the price

but likely not

that pc would probably be worth like $500 at most

probably closer to like $400 lol

[potent portal]

Budget office PC maybe, you won't be gaming on that except maybe rocket league at 720p low

[shrewd gale]

Hey guys, so bank account doing fine. Alright so the Ryzen 7 9800X3D got down, but doesn't fit with the motherbord and I love the last to models you made english. Just the only thing that bother me is the water cooler and the air cooler which I feel 45 dollars is hm, not much for a fan

[cyan ravine]

Wym doesn't fit

What motherboard

Any cooler I listed btw is fine for a 9800X3D if it's $45

That chip is fine on $15 coolers lad

<1st hand experience

[crimson zinc]

Do you mind building your own? I know that pc is at least $489.

You could squeeze more value and a lot more performance.

[shrewd gale]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MyrGxg

[stoic island]

You may need to update the bios, but that board has flashback, you can update the bios with just a USB stick and nothing else installed

[cyan ravine]

Once again, the board is 10000% compatible

As 1111 said, it may need a bios update

That's a software update

It's compatible

[shrewd gale]

Ok...

[cyan ravine]

The peerless assassin will cool chips almost twice as powerful as the one you're using too

[shrewd gale]

Alright, and the discalmer of the graphic card being to big for the case, not a problem?

I suppose

[stoic island]

You can take a look at this review if you're not convinced on the cooler
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se

[shrewd gale]

Hm, ok

[stoic island]

That has to do with drive cages, since there's no 3.5in drives in your list, I'm guessing you won't be needing the extra drive cages in the case

The case supports up to like 360mm without the extra drive cages installed, only 300mm if you want the extra drive cages

[cyan ravine]

https://youtu.be/R-wxHtELX5s

[shrewd gale]

I just want to make sure that want it works, doesn't become a microware doing sound in my room for 24h/7

[cyan ravine]

https://youtu.be/ASeu5BjaVJo

[shrewd gale]

Not that I don't trust you, I just am a idiot...

[cyan ravine]

I'm not trying to bash, relax

I'm just making sure to show where I get this confidence from

I daily drive a 9800X3D, I'm very familiar with AM5 and the boards

I'll also share this
https://youtu.be/lgiBcD7bBaw

It's very much not straight forward so a TL;DR

On even the lowest end of cooling these ryzen X3D chips run only a couple % slower than really good coolers comparitively

So if you find the cooler is a bit loud, I can honestly suggest just slowing the fans down, it'll be minimal impact

[stoic island]

Actually the GPU doesn't interfere with the drive cages at all, it's just the PSU that might be near the drive cages, from fractal's manual:

[cyan ravine]

Yeah I wasn't 100% sure what they were on about there

I figured it was fractal's old school extra cages like meshify?

Guess not

[stoic island]

Pcpp is being dumb

[cyan ravine]

@shrewd gale just don't pay attention to what pcpartpicker is saying

Lmao

It's sometimes a little crazy

I think even to this day it still warns about AM4 motherboards needing bios updates, Which may be true if the stock is like, 4 years in a cellar lol

[stoic island]

It's kinda right for the PSU but that's only if you want more than 1 drive cage or if you want to mount it really close for some reason

[shrewd gale]

So... huh

How do I update a motherboard?

[cyan ravine]

This one you do with a ush

Usb

[shrewd gale]

Ok and

[cyan ravine]

Clean usb, a way to download the file

Stick only the file on it

Hit the button on the back of the motherboard

https://youtu.be/iTkXunUAriE

[shrewd gale]

Alr

[cyan ravine]

I need a snickers

I'm not me when I'm hungry

[stoic island]

Every purchase from wegg should include candy smh

[cyan ravine]

The other stores I shop from do lol

Mostly haribo

I like Haribo tho

[shrewd gale]

Making pizza right now

And I am on the wrong channel

[cyan ravine]

Ah man I'd love a wood fire pizza rn

[shrewd gale]

Same, taste better

[stoic island]

I remember getting some random candy when I bought my boba u4t switches lol

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/james-candy-family-guy-trap-gif-7655570

[topaz rose]

I want pizza in general

[sage thunder]

hey pc nerds 🙏 can yall show me the best 500 dollar facebook maarketplace gaming pc please im broke

[rain carbon]

Marketplace isnt the best place for that tbh

Youd have to look in your area

Find specs and ask away

[manic cloak]

I don't know where you live!! 🤑

[sage thunder]

thanks man

[summer wing]

Opinions on this list? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KR222x

$1200 USD 1080p gaming build.

[potent portal]

Seems fine to me

That SSD is a bit sketchy though

[sage thunder]

Hey! can somebody assemble me a pc on pcpartpicker? i have a strict budget of $500 and im in the usa. help will be greatly appreciated

and im not getting a console.

[languid nimbus]

it's going to be tough to build one from scratch at that price, best bet is probably used. just depends on what you're wanting to play.

[covert vapor]

Best I could throw together in a couple minutes all new: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fvFKcx

[languid nimbus]

yeah i mean you may could swing for a 6600 and 12100f build but eh

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3tFZc

lol

[covert vapor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j2MTPJ

Spend all on the cpu and gpu but everything else is pain

[plucky timber]

Ehhh

Don't go all new

Surely you can get a used pc + 1080ti for $500

[sage thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gggQGJ is this a good list? i dont know if i need anything else for other stuff to work properly but i need a white case to match everything. lmk if i shoulf change anything. (ty @covert vapor )

im on a limit of 500 dollars but i could go like 25 over

[plucky timber]

I'd recommend getting a used 5700XT and 1080TI

They'll be much cheaper

I wouldn't get that case

Airflow is not optimal

[sage thunder]

where can i buy one that ships to my house? (like not facebook marketplace because thats mostly meetup)

[covert vapor]

I've been refining

[plucky timber]

Ebay

[covert vapor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xw4BTM

[plucky timber]

Yeah weary's list is solid

[covert vapor]

Used parts

[plucky timber]

Don't cheap out on everything

[covert vapor]

CPU and GPU that is

[plucky timber]

Not with your list

The list melody sent

With weary's list you could upgrade to a much more powerful cpu later

I'd strongly recommend going with that

[sage thunder]

can you find a white case?

sorry

[plucky timber]

Also better airflow

[plucky timber]

I wouldn't recommend it

[sage thunder]

but other then that ill buy everything besides the cpu and gpu

[plucky timber]

Not with this budget

[sage thunder]

why? are white cases more expensive?

[plucky timber]

Yes

[sage thunder]

that dont make no sense

but when i buy a used gpu and cpu ill have leftover money correct?

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yZpQzy/sama-3509-atx-mid-tower-case-3509w

There is this

This is the cheapest one I'd recommend

You're lucky this time

But definitely not with motherbaord, psus and other parts

The white tax is way worse there

Cases seems to be better with prices

[sage thunder]

i just need a white case mostly, thank you guys!

[covert vapor]

The last list I sent has damaged box but new in box cpu and a used 1080 on Ebay I can send the links of

[sage thunder]

yes please!

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KCxbwY

[sage thunder]

ill make a google doc to store all the links and stuff on, thank you guys for the help!!

[plucky timber]

What about a 5700XT or a 1080TI?

[sage thunder]

im very greatful, hope to be good with pcs like yall one day

what does this mean?

its on the list boeing sent

[covert vapor]

The motherboards originally had to have their bios updated to use 5000 series cpus but unless the mobo has been sitting around for like, 4 years it shouldn't be a concern

[sage thunder]

i was gonna buy some crappy pre built before someone told me to build one for better parts, so thank u guys!!

[sage thunder]

oh okay, thanks

[plucky timber]

Does the board has flashback?

[sage thunder]

so do i buy boeings list with used gpu and cpu or do i buy wearys list with used gpu and cpu

[covert vapor]

It should

[plucky timber]

My list is pretty much just weary's list with a different case

I'd double check it

[sage thunder]

oh okay then, ill get yours with used gpu and CPU

[covert vapor]

I just did, it does have flashback

[plucky timber]

Also I'd get a second opinion from one of the techies too

Some of them could pull black magic and give you a stupidly powerful pc

@final lichen or @mossy venture

NOOO

Wrong ping

[sage thunder]

wait, if the new ones fit my budget, how much will i have left after buying the them with used parts?

[plucky timber]

@cyan ravine

[covert vapor]

The ones we have built are used already

[sage thunder]

ohh olay

okay*

thank u guys

[plucky timber]

I'd wait a bit

For the techies to show up

[sage thunder]

okay

[plucky timber]

They might be able to get you a better pc

[covert vapor]

Or rather are second hand and used, the cpu I found on Ebay is new but technically B stock. But yeah get second opinion

[sage thunder]

ill upgrade a bit later this year when i get christmas money or something like the gpu and cpu.

[covert vapor]

Well, the CPU and GPU may not be around by then and prices would have changed by next December, so keep that in mind too

[plucky timber]

It is AM4 so

Maybe X3Ds will drop in price

[sage thunder]

im gonna sleep since its 1 am here and see if the techies show up in the morning, thank you guys!

[covert vapor]

I'll DM those cpu and gpu links for future reference

[manic cloak]

@sage thunder you fine with buying off of aliexpress?

[sage thunder]

okay, thanks. one more thing, do i need a cpu cooler or will it be fine? because the ones u listed didnt have one.

[plucky timber]

Is it a tray cpu?

[sage thunder]

u sent the list man idk

idek what that means

[covert vapor]

Nah, boxed

[plucky timber]

Oh ok

Comes with a stock cooler

[sage thunder]

idk, i dont wanna get scammed and id rather them all come from one or two websites then 3 so i get them all at the same time.

[sage thunder]

okay thanks

[manic cloak]

aliexpress has surprisingly good customer support but if not that's fine

[plucky timber]

AliExpress is a legit storefront unlike the other Chinese e-commerce platforms

[sage thunder]

the memorys not on amazon, so where can i buy it?

because i perfer it to mostly be on amazon

[covert vapor]

Uh, I think there is a listing for the ram on Amazon

Yeah, it is a dollar more

[sage thunder]

oh okay sorry i was just looking at the list

[plucky timber]

You can click on the part

It'll show the price from newegg, amazon, etc

It just shows the cheapest by default

[covert vapor]

Though the SAMA is $16 more on Amazon

[sage thunder]

can you guys sent the amazon link to the memory

and again thank u guys u guys are life savers

and the case

i cant see where it shows it

nvm found it

[manic cloak]

this is MY list atleast from what I read & saw https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mYvqh7

the motherboard and cpu are from aliexpress

[plucky timber]

What about the psu?

Is it ok?

Honestly this is better

[manic cloak]

You would need to buy a CMOS battery, a amd cooler (on facebook marketplace it can be like 5$) and the graphics card is up to you

the psu is way better than that msi imo

[plucky timber]

B tier?

[manic cloak]

XF is rated B tier

yes

[plucky timber]

Damn

[manic cloak]

fully modular too

they do have a750w at 50$ but oos

[plucky timber]

Used psu?

[manic cloak]

not used, brand new

though some good used psu's go for that price on facebook too

[covert vapor]

How is the Montech X3 Mesh? There is a white one on Amazon for about $5 cheaper than the SAMA

It looks like it has a lot more fan spam

6 fans pre installed

[manic cloak]

montech is a good brand but that case has existed for awhile

what ik, screws in the glass panel, build quality sucks, it's THE definition of budget

[covert vapor]

The glass panel is on a swivel, no screws

[manic cloak]

oh then that one is fine, was thinking of another one mb

very small case though

most gpu's wouldn't fit

[covert vapor]

Mmm, yeah, it is about 40mm less length support, it is a narrow boi

Nvm then

[sage thunder]

pc after taxes (guess ill have to find a way to make 60 bucks)

[plucky timber]

Maybe the techies can get a better list

Who knows

[stable cove]

Think buying the most expensive motherboard is the way to go if you want the sharpest graphics in games? I don’t think so

[languid nimbus]

$3000 mobo with gt 710

[stable cove]

Does this freak you all out?

Check out what someone on Reddit sent me https://pcpartpicker.com/user/KoreanDepresso/saved/Y2pm3C

[tawny violet]

it feels like the shopping list of a 15yo crypto millionaire

[plucky timber]

when I was 13 I had a build with an 8700k and a gt 1030

ofc it has vengeance...

[mossy venture]

Gross

[tawny violet]

Unironically looks like a crypto kid's wishlist

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YJpzkf

[tawny violet]

When did spending 7 grand become the norm?

[stable cove]

It’s just $4000-$5000 should be enough for a beastly gaming pc heck more than enough

Don’t see a reason to spend $6000

When building a PC should there be more fans blowing air into the pc or out?

[flint sapphire]

Yesnt

[stable cove]

What is that supposed to mean?

[flint sapphire]

Positive pressure aka more fans blowing in is the go to. But as long as your airflow isn’t getting super messed up by weird vortexes either setup works

So yesnt

It also depends on what you’re trying to cool like if it’s a radiator… if it is you’ll have to figure out a decent layout to keep your other components a bit cooler

Yesnt

[dusky hearth]

As long as hot air is being removed, positive or negative pressure doesn't matter

The only thing positive pressure is good for is dust

If you have negative pressure in your case, any gaps where air could try to come in, will collect dust

It also may cause unfiltered intake of air from like the rear io holes

Like those PCIe slot covers

Actually

Asides from just that, some server designs (mainly slim like 1-2u chassis) may rely on the positive pressure from the fans at the front of the server to provide the pressure and airflow that the whole server needs

[tawny violet]

two 200mm intake SHOULD produce positive pressure against a single 120mm rear exhaust right?

even if the rear fan goes at like 1400rpm and the 200s go at like 600

[dusky hearth]

Depends on the CFM rating I guess

But probably?

It would make logical sense

[tawny violet]

something like 75 CFM each at max speed iirc

[dusky hearth]

If all fans are the same CFM, then it's probably reasonable to expect that you would have double the air coming in than going out, but it should be noted that CFM will generally decrease as pressure increases, so it'll probably be less than double

[tawny violet]

even still

Sadly I cannot for the life of me find the data online rn

[sage thunder]

guys is this okay or will it affect my build at all? (im new to pcs sorry)

[dusky hearth]

you have a bios flash button so you don't have to worry about that

the parts lists that anybody here that has a blue role or higher should generally not have any major issues

[mossy venture]

Whats the whole build? If you've got a gpu, the 5600 would be better than the 5600gt by about 15-20%

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jpWJt3

Could also do a 7500f off of aliexpress for $130, 20% better than the 5600/x and gives you an upgrade path
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JZjRzP

Would want to add a second stick of the same ram down the line
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2wHqh7

[static stag]

how much different is the AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 8-Core and the AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D

[stoic island]

Pretty different, 7900x3d is something like 20% better for gaming, 30% better for productivity

[static stag]

would a 4060 pair with a AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D

[cyan ravine]

I wouldn't recommend that unless you're trying to play games made in like 2011

Lmao

[static stag]

what abt to 7900x3d too

[cyan ravine]

Same answer

[static stag]

or are you saying upgrade the gpu

[cyan ravine]

Yep

More gpu less cpu

Time for me to go byeee

[stoic island]

Yea uh I'd save a lot more money on the CPU and get a better GPU

I'd flip the spending around, instead of $700 on a CPU and $300 on a GPU, do something like a 7800x3d with a 7900xt

[tawny violet]

or even a 7500F if you want to cut costs

And upgrade CPU later

Though depending on what you play ofc

[static stag]

i already have a 4060 and a 7700

i just want to upgrade it

[stoic island]

Then I would spend that money on a better GPU instead of the CPU

[static stag]

what gpu is good with a 7700

thats better than to 4060

the*

[tawny violet]

you can go as high as a 4080

[potent portal]

^ or XTX

[tawny violet]

without having to worry about your CPU holding back

I'd recommend whatever is cheaper between a 4080, 4080 Super or a 7900 XTX

if those are too expensive, 7900 XT

your CPU is MORE than fine

[potent portal]

As long as you're not exclusively playing eSports games at 1080p low then yes full agree

[tawny violet]

Well yes that is the exception

But with that mobo 9800X3D is bios update drop in so it's already there

[stoic island]

Considering they were talking about getting 7950x3d, 7900xt should fit in the budget just fine

[severe lava]

is it worth spending the little extra to get somthing better than the 7500f to pair with a 7900x

[stoic island]

To go with a 7900xt? It depends on your budget and what you're doing

7600x is about 5% better than 7500f but generally a good bit more expensive

[severe lava]

im not doing anthing crazy with the build was just wondering

[potent portal]

For typical usage, most gamers don't need more than a 7500f. We don't often recommend it solely because you can only find it on AliExpress at reliably good prices.

[severe lava]

yea now that you say that i cant find it

should i get the 7600x then

[cyan ravine]

AliExpress

Only buy from cz cpu store

Or sz cpu store

Whatever it's called

You can't miss it

[severe lava]

im missing it ngl

[cyan ravine]

💀

[severe lava]

lmao

[potent portal]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805676873344.html

First result searching on the site for 7500f

[cyan ravine]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806718700402.html

[potent portal]

Same seller, same item, different listing lol

[severe lava]

thank you

[covert vapor]

They wanted as close to $500 max as possible, use mostly Amazon and wanted a white case.

[covert vapor]

That is what we got last night

[severe lava]

any good case recomendations for 100 or less

[cyan ravine]

Sama argb-q5

Montech air 903 base

Lian li dan a3

[mossy venture]

Where's the cpu from?

@sage thunder
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JLV22x

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x6n974

[shrewd gale]

Eyzen 7 9800X3D out of stock after 1 day💀

[covert vapor]

Ebay

They said they didn't really want aliexpress

[mossy venture]

5600/x 100% then

[sage thunder]

these are my items

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KCxbwY

[weary galleon]

$100 5600gt is a pass imo

[dusky hearth]

their budget was a strict $500, boeing made this list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KCxbwY

[dusky hearth]

considerably better than what they originally wanted to buy lol 4th gen intel and rx580 for $500

[weary galleon]

yeah but you could get a 5600/x for that price

[covert vapor]

Keep in mind they want a white case and want to use Amazon for most things

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4ZXMwY

[sage thunder]

what changed? just the power supply?

[mossy venture]

Mobo ssd psu and cpu

5600 and 5600x are a good bit better than the 5600g and 5600gt

15-20%

[sage thunder]

so this will give me the best performance?

[sage thunder]

can u give me an ebay link for the cpu?

[mossy venture]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156643715763?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=zNC-bLJxT0u&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[languid nimbus]

I don’t think this one has a cooler

[mossy venture]

Can add one for $5-18 depending on used or not

[mossy venture]

This matches the 5600gt in most games
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-3600-12-Thread-Unlocked-Processor/dp/B0BL92CBWG/ref=mp_s_a_1_25?

$67 on amazon warehouse

[covert vapor]

Oh. I honestly forgot the 5600g/gt was so bleh

[mossy venture]

Yeah less cache kills it

[shrewd gale]

Everything order except the processor

[sage thunder]

so this one or the other one

[mossy venture]

Thats a you choice, the 5600/x is about 20% better and will keep up with recent releases much better

But if you want the build cheaper, 3600 at $65 isn't terrible

[covert vapor]

Especially since sales tax exists and is pain

So with the 3600 Bacca's build would be something like $462. My sales tax in TN is 9.75%, so after tax it'd be about $507. Your mileage may vary based on state

[mossy venture]

6.3% for me

[covert vapor]

TN has no income tax so punishes you with laughable services and high sales tax

[dusky hearth]

"high sales tax" still considerably lower than most countries

13% here
20% in some other places

[covert vapor]

We get poorer services in general compared to a bunch of places in return for those lower taxes

[dusky hearth]

That's true

Ngl

I feel like no income tax but high sales tax might be a better system? Harder to do tax evasion on sales tax than income

[covert vapor]

You only have to buy so much stuff regardless of your income

[dusky hearth]

I haven't thought this through so there's probably some glaring flaws

Hmm

But the rich tend to buy more stuff

[covert vapor]

A rich guy may spend more on luxuries but at the end of the day he isn't paying a lot in taxes via sales tax

[dusky hearth]

Hmm

[weary galleon]

sales tax is regressive; it takes a larger percentage of income from lower earners than higher earners

[dusky hearth]

I mean, you could do tax cuts? On the essentials like bread

[weary galleon]

Yes ideally groceries and other neccesities aren't taxed

[dusky hearth]

They do that here

[covert vapor]

Yes but you forget that the more money you have, the less of your total income you need to spend percentage wise. Meaning wealth accrues massively without getting touched, the government can't fund anything because they aren't collecting taxes on that money and austerity punishes everyone

[dusky hearth]

That does make sense

[weary galleon]

the issue is property tax is also somewhat regressive, cause again lower income people spend a larger percentage of their income on housing

so income tax is the best, but that's also easier to dodge

[covert vapor]

Anyways, this might be seen as a violation of rule #1. Plus this is build chat, so maybe we should do build chat stuff

[weary galleon]

fair enough

[covert vapor]

Like posting bad PCPP lists

[cyan ravine]

I felt a disturbance in the force

[covert vapor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sN4974

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-attack-dying-hnngg-fall-another-gif-5366860

[covert vapor]

But I read i7 was good

[cursive wharf]

Oh hey my fav gif

[cursive wharf]

CPU is too new, and RAM needs to be with three DIMMs cuz hybrid channel is best channel

[mossy venture]

No.

[versed current]

Does anyone know why my rx 7600 fans are squeaking only when I join a game

[sage thunder]

6 percent here

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226561845997?_skw=ryzen+7&epid=9033516057&itmmeta=01JJFZEE6GQDGY6538DJ884V18&hash=item34c0236aed:g:47MAAOSwWMVnj8nF&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKnlsFQB0BJPYItSUYD1lvk2WASPtRMHRt4cbd%2F3jVRVN8NcuKDQD4CFcLb5%2F0devXhV7qNZtxLDOolHC1bbVBvtpmaVpl2SMDNkthZj9mPFZzIyqgX1tj6E6Yx5h3DbEeaTXy46jW1%2FupWhYcyy4ziGVZhFMUDhjoTsqmIi9kpAXTPYnrEH3%2Fqdkanm3zDAfwDPdHvvmMX3T%2FwxA8Y6MQ3uh%2BIJK0tA53LIKrNKx6jNLjONyKKbyp%2Figbl%2Fa09vO7IqSKwFK5kGlUKoHJ96SzfW|tkp%3ABFBMsOO5_5Nl is this good?

[sage thunder]

is it better then this? because it was sold

[sage thunder]

they get really exicted and start jumping up and down causing it to squeak trust

[sage thunder]

@mossy venture

[mossy venture]

No

Maybe 2% better than the 3600

And runs much hotter

[covert vapor]

You are right I forgot

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wqkzkf

I heard that the R5 2600x is good but this is i7 and i7 is supposed to be really good

[sage thunder]

so do i buy a 3600? Ill uprgrade in the future ofc

ill buy a used one

wait this ones cheaper is it better https://a.co/d/7BHxZGq

[dusky hearth]

look for 5600x, 5600, or go back to the 5600gt or something

5000 series ryzen has considerably better single thread performance over 3000 series, which is important for gaming specifically

[sage thunder]

what about the one i just sent

[dusky hearth]

uhhh

5500 is 10% worse than the 5600

looking at the prices, you should stick with 5600/xt/gt

[potent portal]

5500 is a worse 3600X because it doesn't have PCIe 4.0

[dusky hearth]

damn

[sage thunder]

im 40 dollars over my budget can anyone help?

[mossy venture]

cheaper mobo can solve some of that

[sage thunder]

can u recommend one?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

could maybe look for a 5600 non x on ebay, if its any cheaper

uhhh

otherwise youre stuck with downgrading smthn, unless you find a better deal on a gpu

which isnt crazy, i got a $90 1080 ti and 5700xt recently

[sage thunder]

thats the same price on amazon

[mossy venture]

b450m prime ig then

[covert vapor]

It is AM4, maybe used mobo

It isn't as much a concern because no pins

[sage thunder]

is this good?

[mossy venture]

no bios flash button so id say no

[sage thunder]

okay

?

would help me lose 20 bucks

[mossy venture]

yeah but $90 is a bit much for it, one min

[covert vapor]

Maybe: https://www.ebay.com/itm/135517858176

Bit of a rando

[mossy venture]

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Micro-ATX-Realtek-Motherboard-Renewed/dp/B0CL337W5Z/ref=sr_1_15?

[sage thunder]

dang okay thank you

15 more bucks to go

https://www.amazon.com/RUIX-Mid-Tower-Pre-Installed-Lighting-High-Airflow/dp/B0DHLY87XF?crid=365W5BN8JAL1Q&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.T-IOJ7VxMr80vQYm7YYov8_MemI4OgJjNV2tUzYY8I6qEQ8O1EFHbNHaoEnmhHoEIXmwET9FF900UjoVVTEhIY4L5ldOw15mtU2RPTgU2pT6qoOITMC3qebyBDazD8UpPFrqUM0NMdfzyDu_EesuW1vT3e704yMqiHqBZqxPkBLmkPt7Hx6eeANKS2rdYXsx2fioy390UYePCh6vXvpoh0749Ix8xEx9G2lY5MI_U_Q.ZxNjM2mTMXeoe65xOr1TOjk-AdJBRbyRbohCokhyaFc&dib_tag=se&keywords=SAMA%2B3509%2BATX%2BMid%2BTower%2BComputer%2BCase%2BSteel%2BMesh%2BFront%2BTempered%2BGlass%2Bwith%2BOpen%2BDoor%2B4%2BARGB%2BFans%2BPre-Install%2BUSB3.0X2%2B360mm%2BAIO%2BSupport%2Bat%2BFront%2BWhite%2Brenewed&qid=1737858810&sprefix=sama%2B3509%2Batx%2Bmid%2Btower%2Bcomputer%2Bcase%2Bsteel%2Bmesh%2Bfront%2Btempered%2Bglass%2Bwith%2Bopen%2Bdoor%2B4%2Bargb%2Bfans%2Bpre-install%2Busb3.0x2%2B360mm%2Baio%2Bsupport%2Bat%2Bfront%2Bwhite%2Brenewe%2Cspecialty-aps%2C133&sr=8-29&xpid=R5ZsvMtC02feJ&th=1 is this a good case?

for my parts?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/F7BzK8/vetroo-m05-microatx-mid-tower-case-vt-case-m05-wt

[sage thunder]

okay is one fan enough?

[mossy venture]

what ssd do you have selected atm?

[mossy venture]

fine for now, it's a low power pc. can always add more later

[sage thunder]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XHMBQK3?smid=AWD7GDDT7Q2ZT&th=1

[mossy venture]

could do a 512gb ssd and add more storage down the line

[sage thunder]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B9Y24ZM5?smid=AWD7GDDT7Q2ZT&th=1 ?

that good?

[mossy venture]

either that or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Brvqqs/team-mp33-512-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6512g0c101

either is fine

[sage thunder]

tysm 🙏 should be all

[covert vapor]

A guy is selling a used 5600x for about $5 less if you wanna shave a tiny bit more

[sage thunder]

link? im 15 above budget with taxes and shipping so that'll be good

i can make an extra $10.03 easy so

[covert vapor]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/326416346653

[sage thunder]

thank y

u*

[naive anchor]

was wondering if i should change out some stuff, was gonna build this a bit ago but stopped, i already have the case and ram. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ct2BTM

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4VzCDj

[naive anchor]

will 5070 be better because it will only be 549$?

[mossy venture]

id prolly go for the 5070 ti for 16gb vram

[naive anchor]

alright

[mossy venture]

(cough cough 7900xt)

[plucky timber]

Please do not buy any 50 series before benchmarks are out

So far we've got 5090 only

[serene onyx]

Guys I have some serious issues

This pc

Always

Always has a new issue

This is the 3rd time

But this time it’s actually bad

I get one of 3 things

This

Or

The pc will turn on and not boot into anything, and will just not show any display

And the 3rd thing I get

Is the bios loading screen saying “booting into repair” or something

I need help

I tried switching Gpu

I tried all ram slots, 1 ram in every slot

I know the cpu is good I installed it a while back and I was forced to wipe the pc cause it gave another issue

But it worked for a few months

And now it just refuses to boot

I need help

I believe the drive may be going bad.

I’m going to switch it with another drive that was just freshly opened and installed with w11

Oh, and lastly, I did what it said in the image. I put a usb with that file in the back

I hate Asus motherboards

Ok I swapped the drive with the one I know works, still having same issue.

I flashed bios

Now the pc won’t even show display

Great

This pc is like fried or some

I reset cmos

Nothing

Going to try and install w11 again

[dusky hearth]

could be a faulty mobo at this point?

[serene onyx]

I feel like that

I hate this damn mobo

It’s so trash

Never buying asus ever again 😭

After switching the Gpu’s back n forth 3 times, it finally booted and gave display

Now its loading and saying Preparing auto repair

[sage thunder]

its because when ur launch ur pc the motherboard gets so overjoyed so it jumps up and down making it not work

trust

im a pc expert

[dusky hearth]

auto repair probably was from you turning the pc on and off multiple times, windows automatically goes into repair if you restart multiple times in within a few minutes

[serene onyx]

Makes sense

But it wouldn’t even boot into windows

[plucky timber]

windows moment

[serene onyx]

The pc would just stay on but no display

[plucky timber]

next update is going to delete the efi partition

[serene onyx]

This is like the 4th time this same pc had an issue

It’s infinitely stuck in the auto repair screen

Nvm

It just blue screened

Ran into problem

[sage thunder]

im a linux guy but i want windows for more game choices and random stuff

[serene onyx]

It’s rebooting

Let’s see what it does next

[sage thunder]

zesty_ send a video of u turning on ur pc so people can help more

[serene onyx]

Ok

[sage thunder]

and show a 360 of ur pc to make sure no parts are faulty

not for me i probably cant help im like a newbie when it comes to pcs but itll help the techies

[serene onyx]

I know it’s not the Gpu cause I tried it on a 3rd pc

I really do think it might be a mobo thing

I bought nitro just to send that video

[serene onyx]

I give up

Buying new mobo

[sage thunder]

hey guys, do i need to buy any wires (besides hdmi cord) for my pc or should they like all come with the stuff?

heres my parts btw

[dusky hearth]

Your monitor would also generally come with a display cable
You shouldn't need to buy any additional cables unless you have some special needs (e.g. better looking PSU cables)

Everything should be included

[sage thunder]

what about the ebay ones?

[dusky hearth]

If you buy used, you might miss some parts, but the parts you bought used don't have anything that could go missing that you'll need

[fair raven]

Do y'all have any specific ram recommendations for ddr5?

[sage thunder]

okay thanks

[sage thunder]

16 to 32 gigs is fine 64 is even better from my knowledge

[dusky hearth]

Like used motherboards may be missing the m.2 screw for example, or a sata cable since people mainly use m.2 now

[fair raven]

I mean in terms of brands sry hehe

[sage thunder]

oh idfk then 😭

[dusky hearth]

Silicon power has probably the best value on the higher capacity especially

[sage thunder]

first picture is amazon so it should be fine

[fair raven]

okay ty

[dusky hearth]

Yeah you should be fine

[sage thunder]

im kinda excited to build my first pc, id always play on dell office pcs or mini pcs but never built or had a 500 dollar one

but does anyone have short yt guides to help?

[dusky hearth]

Just look for 6000 cl 30 basically

And anything but Corsair usually would work fine

[sage thunder]

like 20 minutes or so

[dusky hearth]

20 mins is a little too short

Building a PC will take anywhere from an hour to 2 for first time builders

[sage thunder]

okay but do u know any good tutorials
?

[dusky hearth]

It can take longer for streamers because they're too busy looking at chat

[sage thunder]

ill get someone to help with the cpu due to shaky hands 🙏

[fair raven]

So avoid corsair? Got it, thank you.

[dusky hearth]

https://youtu.be/s1fxZ-VWs2U?t=2290

Start from the timestamp since the prior information is all selecting parts which we've done for you

[sage thunder]

dang okay i skipped 30 minutes in and hes only on step two 😭

[dusky hearth]

It's long but detailed

[covert vapor]

LTT did another one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC-Xn2C_L1U

First person too

[sage thunder]

thank you 🙏

can i put a homeless man in my pc

would that improve performance

[rain carbon]

No, but as per meatcanyon a healthy newborn baby does plenty

[covert vapor]

The only thing to be aware of is that the one I sent is being done on a LGA board, meaning the cpu and socket is different from what you'll be using

[sage thunder]

thanks man

[dusky hearth]

Honestly after skimming it I think the longer one is still better, though if you don't have the patience for it, the pov is going to be a little bit more watchable lol

[sage thunder]

do i need to buy the wifi attenas and stuff separately

[dusky hearth]

No, if the mobo has built in wifi, then it will include the antenna

Looks like your motherboard doesn't have wifi

[sage thunder]

so i need to buy an antenna?

and also what screwdrivers and screws will i need

and will i need to buy thermal paste too?

basically what else would i need to build the pc besides the pc parts that i already showed i had

@covert vapor @dusky hearth @plucky timber @mossy venture

sry for the pings but im gonna buy soon and i need to know 🙏

[weary galleon]

Either Ethernet or a wifi card

[weary galleon]

If you're buying a cooler it should come with some. If you're buying used you might need a tube. Arctic MX is good

[weary galleon]

All screws will be included, you'll need one average-sized Phillips driver and maybe a small one for the SSD.

[sage thunder]

im buying this cpu that i think comes with one

[covert vapor]

The cooler that comes with it should have pre-applied thermal paste on it

[sage thunder]

it says "with cooler" so im guessing its good

[covert vapor]

It is in that box in the picture, the standard Wraith Stealth. It has a patch of pre-applied. And since the stealth is generally bleh for people with the budget to buy a cooler, it should be unused

[sage thunder]

im confused how do i install it, is it like attached to the cpu?

[stoic island]

It's in a separate box from the CPU. It screws into the motherboard for installation

[sage thunder]

oh okay thanks

sorry for all the questions btw i dont want to mess up or miss anything

[stable cove]

Can having 96gb of ram slow gaming performance down?

A lot of people Reddit said it was only a problem if you had all 4 ram slots filled up in your motherboard

[rain carbon]

From what i recall the cpu's specs can play a factor on that

[tawny violet]

On DDR5 you only want 2 sticks

Period

[rain carbon]

But 2 sticks is max for gaming for sure

[tawny violet]

Otherwise you'll have to reduce speed and relax timings to make it stable

and if you already pay for a 6000 CL30 kit

You should run it at 6000 CL30

[rain carbon]

Plus even 2x24 is more than youll ever really need for most processes

Or whatever configutation you have

Keep your fastest sticks in there and if you can return the others at all do (unless you have 2×48 ig)

[mossy venture]

It can

But much less noticeable than 4 sticks does

[stable cove]

That’s strange if having more ram capacity is supposed to speed up gaming and loading how’s it slowing that down like that shouldn’t be happening?

[cyan ravine]

Doesn't speed it up

What

In like for like scenarios, higher capacity makes like 1% difference provided you're at a sufficient amount (Which is almost always 32gb)

Same with faster ssd's

Minimal difference, blink and you miss it

[mossy venture]

More ram is only good if you're running into a ram limit

64gb doesn't perform any better than 32gb when you're only using 20gb of ram

[mossy venture]

Yknow how a bottleneck works, like cpu isn't strong enough for gpu or vice versa?

Not enough ram bottlenecks a pc, but more ram doesn't change a pcs computing power or performance, just how much headroom it has to use that performance

Just like changing cpus when bottlenecked won't change your gpus performance, just let you use more of it

Idk if that made sense

It felt like I switched points halfway through

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much correct yes

As long as you have enough ram for the use case you won't see more speed

Which for like 98% of all games, 32gb is enough

99.99% at 48gb

If not even 100% at that point

[stable cove]

Yeah but shouldn’t slow it down. Weird

But yeah I’ve heard of a cpu or graphics card. One or the other is bottlenecked

[dusky hearth]

i mean, that's exactly what a bottleneck is
it slows things down to its speed pretty much

this might not be the most perfect analogy, but you can think of storage as being in like filing cabinets/boxes, RAM as being stuff on your desk, and your cpu as being your pc, and the l1-3 cache as your short term memory
it takes a while to search for the files you need from filing cabinets, even if they're organized well
so you put the files you need on your desk, so you can quickly pick it up and look at it
so you can work on it on your pc with the data you remember in your brain

if you have a very small desk, you won't have as much space to put files, but you don't need an infinitely large desk to put all the files you need to work on; and in fact, that can make it take longer for you to find the relevant files, even though they're conveniently placed on your desk, since your memory controller (your brain) might be overloaded with the amount of locations that the files are put on the desk

actually, this analogy might work better than i thought

if you have alot of clutter on your desk (basically bloatware) you may need more desk space, or you need to clean it off (debloating)

[shrewd gale]

For some reasons, everyone starting to run for the Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[paper void]

Do I need to do something more as a new user to post a picture to this thread or is it just not allowed?

[weary galleon]

you just need to chat for a bit till you rank up; your name will turn green

if you wanna send something right away feel free to DM it to me and I'll repost it here

[paper void]

I’ll do this, thank you. I am trying to avoid re-writing out my issue.

[paper void]

Thank you. That’s the issue and what I posted on the MSI support forums. Not only wasn’t able to get any solution, the forums themselves seem to be down now.

[weary galleon]

Could be training the ram? not sure. Have you let it just sit (turned on) for a while?

[rustic terrace]

Yooo

yall know anywhere i could sell my pc at ?

like what places also

someone gave me a good 1k build but the link expired

[weary galleon]

ebay, hardwareswap, facebook marketplace, craigslist

[rustic terrace]

so i need another good 1k build imma be buying in the next week or 2

[paper void]

Yeah it has sat all week. With and without the cmos battery in it (to clear it). I’ve also since removed the gpu and onboard SSD to see if it helps. Fans all spin. Just won’t load or show anything on a monitor.

[rustic terrace]

bacca the link u gave me expired

for the 1k bike

build

as long as the build lower than 1.3k or 1.4k

[mossy venture]

huh

[weary galleon]

yeah my only ideas would be to try different ram slots or try the ram in a different PC.

[paper void]

Have tried different slots. Started with 2 & 4 with the two chips, then went down to one chip and tried each of them separately in slots 2 only, and one only.

Unfortunately my other rig is DD3 Ram so I can’t try it in a separate pc (without another 2hr drive each way to my kids campus)

[weary galleon]

honestly could just be bad ram then

or the speed's incompatible with the cpu but I doubt that

Someone else here with more ram knowledge than me might have better ideas

sounds like you've already done as much troubleshooting as I would be able to do myself

[paper void]

Looks like the MSI forums are back up and someone has asked me to provide detail of each of my components. I’ll do it both there and here.

[rustic terrace]

Can u give me a pc build under 1.3-.4k

[mossy venture]

were you the dude for a pre build?

or building yourself

[rustic terrace]

Building myself twin 🙏🏽

[mossy venture]

alr i got you, just gonna be a few, playing marvel rivals

[rustic terrace]

Yeah dw its jus the last link u gave me is gone and im getting the pc soon

[weary galleon]

something along these lines probably
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z6sBTM

used GPU would be good if you're willing

[mossy venture]

idr what requirements you had, just a regular gaming pc?

black, with wifi, 2tb storage,

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kQqXnp

if monitor isnt needed in budget

[rustic terrace]

Nah nah

jus pc

[weary galleon]

what monitor do you have rn

[rustic terrace]

Hol on

lemme look at it again

[weary galleon]

I suppose you could always upgrade later, but it would be a shame to run a 7900xt on some crappy 1080p panel

[rustic terrace]

Look at this

lmk

[weary galleon]

@mossy venture any idea if this is good/not good?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7ccBD3/asrock-b850m-x-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b850m-x-wifi

[rustic terrace]

so this valid for my monitor

[weary galleon]

not bad, 1440p is pretty nice though. You could do bacca's 7900xt build and upgrade your monitor later

[rustic terrace]

and yeah i jus need a regular pc

[mossy venture]

not great

[rustic terrace]

So gimme a build to go wit my monitor cause ngl

im not gone upgrade for some time

imma keep it 100

But like good yk

[mossy venture]

slightly worse vrms than the b650m pg lightnight, but it has vrms to cool them so meh

[mossy venture]

so like

[rustic terrace]

Cause my pc rn is pretty bad

[mossy venture]

up the budget for monitor, or include it in this budget

and you said 1.4k?

[rustic terrace]

Nah maybe like 1.2 k

my parents gone be omd

Like i just want a good build to go wit my monitor yk

[mossy venture]

wait so 1.2k for pc+monitor right?

[rustic terrace]

Nah no monitor included

i got this one

[mossy venture]

ah ok misread

[rustic terrace]

Yeah u good

i jus want sum to go wit that yk

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F9cPKq newegg has a free 1tb ssd with the 7600x

[rustic terrace]

Ouuu W

[mossy venture]

actually now that I think abt it newegg has the combo up savings going atm with some decent deals on the 7600x

[rustic terrace]

and how long will it last that deal

[mossy venture]

no clue

[rustic terrace]

Damm cause i still need to to sell my old pc

😭😭🙏🏽

[mossy venture]

how much do you have rn?

can order everything but the gpu and it'll still work

[weary galleon]

I'd swap cooler to thermalright, similar perf but I trust the fan more

[mossy venture]

idk what your old pc is, could maybe keep the storage or smthn

[mossy venture]

thats fair, 214xt is a lil old by now

been my goto single tower for a few years

[rustic terrace]

This my old pc

It’s pretty bad

how much should i sale it for a range

[mossy venture]

ahh alr

[weary galleon]

I've seen it benchmarked and it's about the same as an assassin X so it's not a bad pick by any means, I just feel like thermalright might be slightly higher quality and it's also $17.89 (18.89 for rgb)

[mossy venture]

id say 300-500

[rustic terrace]

300?

fr

[weary galleon]

he could also drop in a 5700x3d and upgrade the gpu + storage

[mossy venture]

yeah but ram, storage, and psu would need upgrades too

and case isnt anything special

[mossy venture]

id say 350-450 is reasonable