#building-and-recc-chat

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elfin carbon
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I rather not use that

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Yeah

plucky timber
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alright no aliexpress then

elfin carbon
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I use Newegg

plucky timber
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any aesthetic preferences?

elfin carbon
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More rgb the better

topaz rose
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i like this guy

plucky timber
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usually I'd go against RGB but you have a massive budget

elfin carbon
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If it costs a lot then I’d rather not

plucky timber
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yeah we'll do a case by case basis then

elfin carbon
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I don’t want to spend money I don’t need to spend

topaz rose
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you can get rgb for cheap these days, rgb fans can be bought for like $15 for three

plucky timber
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Cheapest DDR5-6000 CL30 is $79.99

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without RGB

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with RGB well

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you don't see a CL30 kit for quite a while

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$93.99

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for the cheapset RGB kit

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wait no my mistake

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$84.99

elfin carbon
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Is that a fan?

plucky timber
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ram

elfin carbon
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Oh

plucky timber
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eh that's not a large gap

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it's fine tbh

elfin carbon
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That’s fine

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Yeah

plucky timber
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would you prefer an AIO?

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although I would have to put a quick disclaimer

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it will not really be noticable over an air cooler

elfin carbon
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The kraken is rlly cool would that work?

plucky timber
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well

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that is extremely overpriced

mossy venture
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super overpriced, can do a cheaper aio with an lcd display

plucky timber
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and not that good in general

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bacca

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is the MP44Q better or MP44L better whil you're here

elfin carbon
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An air cooler would be fine than

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If it’s the same

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Does it make a lot of noise

plucky timber
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well

mossy venture
plucky timber
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the pump on an aio does make a lot of noise too

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and there he goes

mossy venture
plucky timber
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my list was only half finished sad

mossy venture
plucky timber
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Q300L?

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eh?

mossy venture
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always good to have more options

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q300l bad

plucky timber
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placeholder case?

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OH

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my clipboard bugged

elfin carbon
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Would a 4080 super work instead of the one you sent

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Or is that not worth it

plucky timber
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if you're just playing video games the XTX is way cheaper

topaz rose
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q300l is indeed cheap

plucky timber
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in terms of perf/$

topaz rose
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if he uses raytracing and upscaling a 4080s could make difrence

plucky timber
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for the games he play

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he'd better off using competitive settings for half of them

mossy venture
plucky timber
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I'd recommend the 7900XTX for this instance

topaz rose
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cod, fortnite, and marvel rivals all have dlss

mossy venture
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they perform the same, xtx has more vram, 4080 is $200 more but has the nvidia name and feature set

mossy venture
elfin carbon
mossy venture
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and it's a $200 difference

mossy venture
topaz rose
plucky timber
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huh

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7900GRE back in stock???

topaz rose
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yuh

mossy venture
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yeah barely

topaz rose
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i noticed that too

plucky timber
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Peerless Assassin 120 RGB is $37

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frozen prism ARGB is $48.19

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former is an air cooler and the latter is a 240mm liquid cooler

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would you prefer the AIO or the air cooler?

elfin carbon
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The build you sent me looks good would it still work if I sub the gpu for a 4800 super

plucky timber
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it would but

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I doubt you'd gain performance

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still depends on the game

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you might even lose a bit of performance here and there

elfin carbon
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I often play story games as well so the raytrackng sounds nice

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Tracing

mossy venture
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amd can do rtx too

plucky timber
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you are spending $200 more just so you're aware

elfin carbon
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That’s fine

plucky timber
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up to you

mossy venture
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7000 series rtx is about as good as 30 series rtx

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its 100% your choice

elfin carbon
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It’ll still be lower than the one my friend made

mossy venture
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just saying

elfin carbon
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Is it rlly

plucky timber
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Ventus still crap ye?

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here's my take on it

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NOOO

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stupid clipboard

topaz rose
elfin carbon
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What’s the difference between XRX and Rtx 3080 at higher resolutions

plucky timber
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bppprJu-GT8

YouTube
Daniel Owen
RTX 4080 Super vs RX 7900 XTX: The Ultimate Comparison!!! (RT on/of...

Sell your old GPU at Jawa to fund your upgrade! https://bit.ly/JawaOwenGPUFeb-24 Use code OWEN10 for $10 off your first purchase!
In this RTX 4080 Super review we look at a direct head to head comparison against the RX 7900 XTX from AMD, which is the closest price competitor. We will look at the newest games using the newest technologies includi...

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not sure is here's some benchmarks

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p6FhTBol18&t=330s

YouTube
Gamers Nexus
Lame, But Cheaper: NVIDIA RTX 4080 Super Review, Benchmark Comparis...

This video ends up more as a discussion of the GPU market right now, and in particular, the NVIDIA Super series lineup for RTX 40. The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Super gets reviewed here and benchmarked vs the AMD RX 7900 XTX, NVIDIA RTX 4080, and we also compare the entire NVIDIA lineup (including the RTX 4090, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Ti, RTX ...

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this is probably more useful

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better methodology

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it is your choice ultimately but you're paying $200 solely for RT

elfin carbon
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Honestly that’s fine because the flexablility is good and you’ve lowered the cost of the other components

plucky timber
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alright

elfin carbon
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How do I change the list

plucky timber
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would you like more bling as well?

elfin carbon
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Wym

plucky timber
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more RGB

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actually the case comes with a couple fans already

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there's probably enough rgb tbh

elfin carbon
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I think it has plenty

plucky timber
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not sure if the TUF is the best choice but

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I do not trust ventus at all

topaz rose
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@plucky timber what tehrampaste do you use? i need to pick some up real quick

plucky timber
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I'm using liquid metal

elfin carbon
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Does that list include everything

plucky timber
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depends

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are you buying a windows license?

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or are you just going to not activate it

elfin carbon
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I have a drive with it already

plucky timber
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that should be everything then

elfin carbon
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Ok thanks sm

plucky timber
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I usually just use whatever comes with the cooler but if you're buying a tube

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thermal grizzly is usually solid

topaz rose
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bet

topaz rose
plucky timber
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yes

topaz rose
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bet

plucky timber
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I'm not the thermal paste person so

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I'd ask around for more opinions

topaz rose
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ok

plucky timber
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maybe bacca or felix would know more

topaz rose
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@mossy venture i heard you knew more

mossy venture
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huh

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oh i dont know a ton about paste, mx6 is always my goto

topaz rose
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thats the last pased i used

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mx6 it is

plucky timber
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do you still have some?

topaz rose
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no

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if i had some still i wouldnt ask kek

plucky timber
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yeah if it's cheaper get mx6

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arctic paste is generally really solid too

topaz rose
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works for me

manic cloak
topaz rose
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mx6 on the way

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jagged ember
topaz rose
shut rampart
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any cheap lan li infinity minor fan in white 10x of them

cyan ravine
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Sama sells them

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@shut rampart

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They're better too

shut rampart
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ty

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and I can just buy a fan hub + is there a rgb hub? and I will be good to go?

cyan ravine
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I'm not sure about the hub part but they link together like unifans

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So if you need a hub, cooler master makes a good fan + argb one

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$20

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You'll spend like

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Almost a tenth as much compared to lian li for the same thing but better lmao

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Cos the fans don't actually suck

flint sapphire
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You talking about Corsair fans?

cyan ravine
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Don't

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God dammit darvan

shut rampart
cyan ravine
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I just linked the daisy chain one

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Ye1203

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Look for those

shut rampart
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out of stock SadgeCry

cyan ravine
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Try not newegg

shut rampart
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dont see any on amazon

cyan ravine
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Ok try

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Thermalright M12

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They have a few variants

shut rampart
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no daisy chain

cyan ravine
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Not like the sama's no

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@analog hearth what was the name of those asiahorse ones

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Do they have daisy chain?

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You said they were meh - not surprised but I'd prefer to suggest that then come up empty handed

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@shut rampart any chance of just waiting for the sama fans to restock?

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$12 a fan is really hard to beat if you specifically want good infinity style lol

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Otherwise M12's with fan hubs might be the better play

flint sapphire
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Saw the samas reverse blades for $7

cyan ravine
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Yeah they have reverse fans too

shut rampart
cyan ravine
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It'll be worth it lad

shut rampart
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are inf fans just intake

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oki soo any link?

flint sapphire
shut rampart
flint sapphire
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Ah my b

cyan ravine
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Ah are they the reverse ones?

flint sapphire
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Thought they were

shut rampart
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if sams fans are intake only then I need 4 reverse

cyan ravine
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Thermalright have reverse fans but not infinity iirc

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C12C-S and C12R-S

shut rampart
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yeah but I want infinity on the fan and to the side with daisy

cyan ravine
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Then sama

shut rampart
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any link that isn't $100 for 3?

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those are the only thing I found newegg and I dont see any on amazon

flint sapphire
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They look like they are daisy on the product page, the connector image makes it seem like it atleast

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shut rampart
flint sapphire
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Maybe I’m tripping

shut rampart
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is this trusted?

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its nz soo prob going to take a month to get them

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really nothing else expect for to buy lian li ones

cyan ravine
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Can't see any ye1203 links rn

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Not for the price we were talking about

cyan ravine
cyan ravine
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But I think he wants that snap together tech which is a lian li and deepcool patented tech

shut rampart
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yeah

cyan ravine
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Sama had it but if they're discontinued then blame the patent holders for trying to make you buy a gimmick for $50 a fan

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I'd say not worth it at that point

plucky timber
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Won't they also ya know

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Snap off

cyan ravine
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?

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Wym

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Well anyway thermalright is the only other brand I know that does their own version but it's also expensive af

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As is corsair

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Neither of which are worth buying

shut rampart
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soo no options really

cyan ravine
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Sama

shut rampart
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yeah but not really any links

cyan ravine
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Or just, buy a fan hub and give up on the snap on tech

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I'll be real with you anyway, unifans are some of the jankiest fans I bought for software to date

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L connect is ass

shut rampart
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I think my pc case comes with a fanhub its antic c5 can I use that?

cyan ravine
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Yes

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If it has one yes

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C5 I think does yeah

shut rampart
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yeah but theres one that is red

cyan ravine
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Antec also make decent reverse fans

shut rampart
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im guessing its for reverse fan

cyan ravine
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No

shut rampart
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or outtake

cyan ravine
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Red is either for

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Mobo

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Or parent fan

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i.e all other fans follow that fan port

shut rampart
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???

cyan ravine
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It's considered the primary fan port

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All other fan ports copy that port on the fan hub

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Either that or it's the plug for the motherboard to connect to

shut rampart
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ok so sama and then find 6x inf and then 4x reserve

cyan ravine
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Ye

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If you can

shut rampart
cyan ravine
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Oh wait

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@shut rampart

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Jonsbo

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Jonsbo zk-120

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Wtf the input connector looks slim af

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Jonsbo wtf

shut rampart
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aliexpress?

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max.1 per shopper SadgeCry I guess I do serpate orders

cyan ravine
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I can't find them much at all

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They are definitely daisy chain tho

shut rampart
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is sama fans supposed to be 69.90 for 10

cyan ravine
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What like ten ye1203 for 70?

shut rampart
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can't find any 3 packs

cyan ravine
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I've never seen a 10 pack

shut rampart
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well in total i mean

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and they only sell single dont see any 3 packs

cyan ravine
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Is this canadian or usd

shut rampart
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usd

cyan ravine
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A little pricey considering but still way better than many other options

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Keep looking for zk120

shut rampart
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they sell it in aliexpress

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but idk if they are trusted..

cyan ravine
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Are they cheap?

shut rampart
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41.33 for 3

cyan ravine
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Bleh

shut rampart
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5 only sold...

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cyan ravine
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That's a lot for 92mm fans

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But they have reverse and normal so if the seller has enough sales and good reviews it might be ok

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Still a lot for connectors tho, sacrificing everything else

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Same with the YF fans tbh

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Don't expect good thermal performance

shut rampart
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its ok I will get sama

cyan ravine
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Unifans are the same in that regard, basically all awful fan performance

shut rampart
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sama better then lian li on performance

cyan ravine
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Almost everything is better than lian li

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Lol

shut rampart
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oh lol

cyan ravine
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They had to make their fans thicker to have normal performance

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So as a result they don't fit in a few case situations

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But they then can say they don't entirely suck while also charging you 150 for a 3 pack

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Idk how they can be so crazy like that when their case division is so decent

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Lol

vague oracle
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But pretty rgb SAD

cyan ravine
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Ok mr ippc

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Pretty rgb

vague oracle
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We all know rgb gives extra frames

cyan ravine
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WHAT?

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I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE FANS

vague oracle
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Your B12s are even louder than the iPPCs

cyan ravine
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WHAT?

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SAY AGAIN?

vague oracle
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YOUR B12S ARE LOUDEE THAN THE IPPCS

cyan ravine
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WHAT?

vague oracle
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DONT MAKE ME COME OVER THERE AND GIVE YOU IT

cyan ravine
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WHAT?

vague oracle
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HEY OLD MAN, OPEN YOUR EARS

cyan ravine
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WHAT?

vague oracle
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...boomers these days

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Smh

cyan ravine
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OPEN MY BEERS?

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OK

vague oracle
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YEAH

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WHATS YOUR OPINION ON FOSTERS?

cyan ravine
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WHAT?

vague oracle
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Im going to kill you

cyan ravine
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TOSSERS?

vague oracle
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I know where you live

cyan ravine
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WHA

vague oracle
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Sleep with two eyes open

cyan ravine
vague oracle
cyan ravine
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Ah my phone dying

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Adiobyenara

vague oracle
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If you tell your phone not to die, it legally cant

languid nimbus
analog hearth
plucky timber
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Corsair

cyan ravine
analog hearth
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What

plucky timber
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Oh is this an actual rec

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Do not buy corsair

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Their fans are ass and overpriced

shut rampart
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from asiahorse?

cyan ravine
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Yeah

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I saw those earlier, I don't believe they snap together tho

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Oh wait

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They do

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Wait no

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That's better @shut rampart

shut rampart
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they do

cyan ravine
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Lol

shut rampart
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what is better?

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huh?

cyan ravine
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I saw a different set

shut rampart
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oh ok

cyan ravine
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The asiahorse cosmiq

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I saw a different fan from them

shut rampart
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lets get argb everything soo gpu and mobo

cyan ravine
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Those should be much better cos full size fan btw

plucky timber
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What are those gimmicky fans

cyan ravine
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So they are immediately better than a unifan

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Lol

plucky timber
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Do those perform well?

cyan ravine
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They won't perform bad

plucky timber
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Or are they just attached together for some god forsaken reason

cyan ravine
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They

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They're better than a unifan

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That's all I care about

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Lol

shut rampart
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asianhorse or sama

cyan ravine
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What motor suggested the asiahorse

plucky timber
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thermalright

cyan ravine
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I simp for sama but those asiahorse are obviously going to be better just by looking at them

cyan ravine
shut rampart
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how to see motor

cyan ravine
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Scrolling up he's there

shut rampart
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it says 2000 rph

cyan ravine
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Lol

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No not the fan motor

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@analog hearth

analog hearth
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Bruh

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What

cyan ravine
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See

shut rampart
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oh

cyan ravine
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Motor

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Observe

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1 motor

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👀

analog hearth
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Huh?

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I am motor

shut rampart
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asisahorse or sama

cyan ravine
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Asisishorse

plucky timber
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Felix

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Does this look any good?

cyan ravine
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That case is fine

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It just has poor top radiator compatibility

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Be wary of that

plucky timber
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What about side rads?

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Is it fine there?

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Airflow not ass?

cyan ravine
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Rads cut into the gpu space on these

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So won't fit

plucky timber
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Really?

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What about the montech XR?

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It's also only for a 3060 system so gpu clearance shouldn't be an issue

cyan ravine
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Same deal

cyan ravine
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You'll regret it later

plucky timber
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Top mount then?

cyan ravine
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Top mount is fine

plucky timber
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I'm doing a case swap job for someone

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Guess what the situation was

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i9 11900k in a msi prebuilt case

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The rad was mounted at the front...

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Where is no airflow

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Honestly that entire pc id atrocious

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$400 motherboard, crap cpu, 3060

cyan ravine
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I mean either way won't budge my opinion

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Don't give them a solution that short term sucks

plucky timber
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Would the airflow be ass tho

cyan ravine
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There's other cases

plucky timber
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If it's mounted on top

plucky timber
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Unless there are better solutions

cyan ravine
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Top mount is fine

plucky timber
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Actually

cyan ravine
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D41 might be worth it boeing

plucky timber
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Is top mount better in those cases in general?

cyan ravine
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Go look at D41

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You can top mount 240 and psu

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It'll look normal but not limited to 240mm

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They're cheap on PLE

plucky timber
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Oh I don't think he cares that much

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I've just never built in one of those cases

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So I've assumed rad goes on the side

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But now I think about it

cyan ravine
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Does he need new fans or nah

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If he has like, 4

plucky timber
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The rad makes more sense up top because funny

cyan ravine
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D41 works

plucky timber
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The montech should come with fans right?

cyan ravine
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Comes with 3

plucky timber
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D41 does cost a bit more

cyan ravine
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Dan A3?

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Oh wait matx

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Uh

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Yeah maybe Air 1000/Air 903

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Not much else coming to mind

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Blanking out lmao

plucky timber
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They all cost more than the XR

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I mean he'll go from a suffocated radiator to actually having air intake so

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It'll be an improvement no matter what case and mounting config

cyan ravine
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Lol fair enough

plucky timber
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The sane mounting configs I mean

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Not the stupid ones

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Top mount should also give the gpu more airflow to work with right?

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So in case he puts in a 4090 or something stupid a couple years down the line

cyan ravine
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Ye

plucky timber
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I'm starting to really like these O11D clones

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Mostly because they're the perfect counter to a crappy NZXT case

jagged ember
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Some people would strongly disagree with that

potent portal
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I think he's more suggesting they make a good option for people that want that glass look of the H510 elite

plucky timber
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I'm not a fan of glass fronts because airflow

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O11D clones are pretty much the better way of having a glass front panel that doesn't suffocate the case

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At least if they're going for the NZXT aesthetic

wanton viper
mossy venture
wanton viper
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General purpose, video editing, gaming, streaming.

mossy venture
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How intensive is the video editing?

wanton viper
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Pretty Intensive.

mossy venture
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Id probably do the 7950x then

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Could do a 96gb kit, but 4 sticks does not run well

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Aio isn't needed but i figured it was for the aesthetic

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Psu is just as good and has white cables, much cheaper, gpu is about 30% better

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You lose about 15-20% cpu performance in games, but thats only really noticeable when your gpu isn't hitting its limit first, which it will be in most realistic gaming scenarios

mossy venture
wanton viper
mossy venture
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Ah alr

mossy venture
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If you want to wait, 9900x3d and 9950x3d come out soon, but I'm sure stock will suck

shut rampart
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hey my friend is in microcenter right now and wants to build a pc, his budget is 2k, for streaming first then video games

mossy venture
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Does he need to buy everything in store?

shut rampart
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yes

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he wants it now

mossy venture
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only issue is cooler, theyve got a horrible cooler selection

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7600x3d bundle for $200 less is only 5% worse in games

gentle pollen
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@mossy venture, @cyan ravine just placed the order. I am gonna hold off till I see a good deal on a OLED panel.

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I have wanted the SN850X for as long as I could remember it so I decided to grab it this way so I won't have Buyer's Regrets.

analog hearth
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I need a couple of 4TB SSDs

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Would be nice

topaz rose
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... yeahhh i know what im getting

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shut rampart
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@mossy venture he bought this instead

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was it worth

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he said he got it for 1950 without tax

topaz rose
mossy venture
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About what it'd cost to build an equivelant system with microcenter

plucky timber
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I see they love value at Microcenter

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New ssd

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potent portal
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Noice

analog hearth
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@cyan ravine I don't think it's the biggest deal but I was wondering if you knew about any BIOS settings off the top of your head that can allow my CPU to cool better with the same amount of performance (other than undervolting because I know about that one). It's a 7900X that idles at around 40-50W. Google couldn't give me a specific answer but I found that Ryzen typically idles higher in power. I was wondering if there was any way to have that not happen

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Because I'll be sitting here in my room just watching YouTube at times and this thing is basically like just under half of its TDP

cyan ravine
analog hearth
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Lmaooo okay thanks

cyan ravine
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It's just a thing

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They like to idle about 40-60C too

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Just, is

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Lol

analog hearth
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I’ve seen benchmarks where Intel CPUs (more specifically, basically my 13700K) idle with much less consumption

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What a weird range lol

cyan ravine
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Yeah cos intel does

warm badge
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why do streamers on youtube act like playing Tomb Raider 3 remastered in 4k is some kind of flex?

cyan ravine
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I had to go look and wtf

topaz rose
real flicker
mossy venture
prime hollow
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something must be wrong

potent portal
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That's a pretty standard microcenter deal tbh

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They're great

plucky timber
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are microcenter prebuilts actually good value?

potent portal
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They can be yes

verbal quarry
#

What is the best mini itx case currently out right now?

potent portal
#

That's a loaded question if one ever existed

mossy venture
#

There'd be a lot of contenders, and honestly a lot of very small matx cases would be my main suggestions

potent portal
#

"Best" for one person doesn't work at all for another, especially when you look at ITX because people have different needs and wants for getting that size

verbal quarry
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Mainly looking for good airflow for a r7 7700x and 4080 super

stoic island
#

classic microcenter w

stoic island
topaz rose
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i ordered thermlpaste, just too find two tubes i lost kek

stoic island
#

something like meshilicious performs great but isn't the smallest

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and not everyone likes the looks

alpine horizon
#

Need quick help

crimson zinc
alpine horizon
#

I upgraded my 500gb ssd to a 2TB ssd and now my PC won’t get past Bios

crimson zinc
#

Is windows on that ssd

stoic island
#

if windows was on the 500gb ssd, you need to get windows on the 2tb one way or another

potent portal
#

Did you clone the old drive

verbal quarry
alpine horizon
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I have a hard drive so I didn’t think I needed to do anything

verbal quarry
#

But performance being the bigger priority

stoic island
#

start with looking at like a jonsbo z20, it's big for an itx case but it fits basically everything

verbal quarry
#

Thanks for point in that direction

stoic island
#

that's one style, look at the fractal terra if you like that but want something different, the other style is corsair 2000d airflow or meshilicious

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terra is same shape but a lot smaller and looks better imo

potent portal
alpine horizon
#

Idk I put back in the old SSD and it still is stuck on bios

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I think I’m just cooked at this point

potent portal
#

The boot order is probably just confused now

alpine horizon
#

Idk anything about PCs I just wanted more storage

warm badge
severe dove
#

I have phantom spirit 120 evo on my 7800x3d and sometimes I don't like the temperature of my cpu. What do you recommend me to use instead to get like always below 70 temps? For now I get ~78 while in intense gaming session goes to 82 in hwmonitor max temps. Is it possible to get lower temps with air cooler or is a liquid one needed?

potent portal
gentle pollen
potent portal
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That all gets you maybe 6 degrees

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My 420mm AIO can't even get my CPU below 70 at full load

gentle pollen
potent portal
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What are you playing though? That has the biggest impact

gentle pollen
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That's with the v-cache cores set to game only and the freq cores set to every thing else.

gentle pollen
potent portal
#

Yeah none of that is particularly difficult to run. Those are all heavy on only a few threads.

gentle pollen
#

I was surprised to learn that Fortnite now uses all threads pretty heavily.

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When I was watching the usage in HWinfo all threads were under load during matches

cyan ravine
#

It still runs on potato hardware

severe dove
#

Aight, thank you guys.

potent portal
shut rampart
#

is 70c for cpu good for gaming

potent portal
#

Yeah that's plenty low enough

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I aim for below 80 or 85 depending on the CPU

plucky timber
#

70c under load is really good

#

Ryzen idles around 40-60c iirc

shut rampart
#

9800x3d

plucky timber
#

Ryzens form 7000 onwards are pretty efficient

#

They're really easy to cool

potent portal
#

To be specific, 7000 chips like to run up to 95C but don't throttle unless the cooling is actually insufficient

#

9000 are much cooler

cyan ravine
#

Fairly warm for 9800X3D but it's whatever

#

As long as it's not tjmax then it means next to nothing

plucky timber
#

That's warm?

#

I wonder how good ryzen 9000 mobile's gonna be then

#

Can you fit a full 9800X3D in a laptop?

cyan ravine
#

Also elevated compute die meaning less IHS z height

#

It's physically a colder chip

plucky timber
#

oh damn

#

It's nice that we're seeing a trend of cooler chips this generation

#

Even from intel

dusky hearth
#

Hot chip and lie

little osprey
#

Hello. I have quite a lengthy issue to ask about with my PC build

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Can I send it here perchance

dusky hearth
#

You don't need to ask

#

You can write as long as you wish

little osprey
#

Wanted to be sure

#

A friend recommended this server to help hopefully fix or at least diagnose my PC problem. I recently got this "new to me" motherboard (GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-UD7 TH ATX) with 4 sticks of 8GB DDR3 Corsair Vengeance RAM, a nice liquid cooler, Intel Core I7 4790k, a GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1650 Super Windforce, running Windows 10 on a Samsung EVO 870 SSD 500GB. I am having lots of trouble out of this thing other than everything in it being 10 years old except for the cooler and fans.

As of right now, slots 1 and 3 for the RAM are non functional. I get a C0 code on my debug LED when i insert anything into the 1 and 3 slots. 2 and 4 work perfectly and I've tested every stick individually and they all work as well. That's a semi big issue but my biggest issue is...

My GPU will allow me to boot into BIOS with the HDMI plugged into it and it will sit there perfectly fine all day. As soon as I boot into Windows, the GPU fans will stop spinning and the card will stop displaying any picture. I then have to plug the HDMI into the motherboard to get anything done inside Windows. The motherboard's HDMI port will not allow me to boot into BIOS with it. Only the GPU can go inside BIOS. I've tried my other GPU and it shuts down as well.

About 30 minutes ago I was getting non stop system thread exception not handled and K mode exception not handled. This problem seems to have righted itself after I hit the BIOS reset button on the board.

I've installed all the drivers i could think of. If there are more i can try im more than willing to give it a go.

This entire setup was running every game i have perfectly literally 2 days ago. The problem started with the new RAM sticks and the new SSD. I've tried the old SSD and now it does the same too.

Don't grill me for my build pls. I am poor and it handles games well enough for my liking. Thank you

potent portal
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Sounds to me like unstable memory

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Run OCCT memory test (ocbase.com) for an hour and if it finds even 1 error you know the memory is not working properly

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As for the GPU problem, I don't advise messing with that until you know the memory is good.
At that point, you can run DDU to completely remove the drivers and then install again.

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?ddu

jolly riverBOT
little osprey
#

Alright I'll get on it. I also had some corrupt system files that I just ran SFC on and it repaired them.

stable cove
#

A guy on one of my Reddit posts showed me this it’s called the quad air cooler

dusky hearth
#

Probably not due to space, also those aren't called a "quad air cooler", it could run with 2 fans lmao and it uses a thermal siphon to pump the fluid with good old physics

#

Specifically made by icegiant, and is probably patented

#

There's honestly not much point in a triple tower setup imo

#

Dual tower coolers are enough to cool like 90% of all cpus

stoic island
#

it's more likely that we get something like grand macho again than more towers

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there isn't enough space to fit more towers, better to just fill it with fins lol

#

also don't need much more than a 7800x3d at the moment, and 9800x3d isn't much hotter even if you wanted to upgrade

plucky timber
#

Especially since CPUs have been actually getting cooler this generation

little osprey
#

I did a 1 hr test with 2 of my ram stick in. No errors. I think i did it right. Need to do the other 2 right?

potent portal
little osprey
#

Yes they are all identical

potent portal
#

Identical or all from the same package, because the same model, speed, and timings can have multiple different memory dies

little osprey
#

Ohhhhh

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I can't be sure of that. They all came together from ebay

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They didn't come in a set box. It was like a Styrofoam wrap around them in a box

potent portal
#

DM me a pic of the stickers on all 4 sticks and I can decode them

little osprey
#

Okay one moment

#

Just now noticing 2 of them say version 4.21 and the other 2 say 4.29

potent portal
#

Yep that'll be different memory dies

#

Which is a strong indication of that being the reason it won't work with all 4 sticks

plucky timber
#

corsair vengeance?

#

Were they decent in the ddr3 era?

potent portal
#

Yeah corsair was good in DDR3 days

little osprey
#

I'm very new to this whole pc building thing so I had no idea

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About memory dies

potent portal
#

It's something not many people would think of, even experienced builders

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So one set (4.21) is 4Gb Samsung B-Die and the other (4.29) is 4Gb Samsung Q-Die

little osprey
#

So would this contribute to blue screens and GPU not functioning correctly if I accidentally had 2 different ones in slots 2 and 4?

potent portal
#

Yes 100%

little osprey
#

I feel so dumb

potent portal
#

Memory issues can cause everything else in the system to act up

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No you're not dumb, like I said it's an issue not many people even know about and it's quite uncommon

little osprey
#

So are one of these better than the other?

potent portal
#

Not unless you overclock them

little osprey
#

I don't tread that territory

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I don't wanna break

potent portal
#

They should be identical at the xmp speed then

little osprey
#

I guess I'm gonna go about getting 2 more of the same which hopefully I can do

plucky timber
#

Is mixing dies that bad?

#

Or is it a ddr3 thing specifically

#

Or with these 2 dies

potent portal
#

Yes, because each die responds to the memory controller in different ways and speeds and can confuse the memory controller

plucky timber
#

damn

potent portal
#

It's all memory but especially faster versions of it

plucky timber
#

What about different kits with the same die?

potent portal
#

That's usually better than mixed dies but if the PCB is different that can cause slight differences in timing too

little osprey
#

Okay so now

#

How would i go about fixing my GPU

#

I put in both 4.29 sticks this time and the GPU is still goofy. You said I needed to mess with the drivers?

potent portal
#

Now that we have the memory figured out ideally you'd want to reinstall windows, but you can try DDU first

#

Download the latest driver and then take a look at this

#

?ddu

jolly riverBOT
little osprey
#

Oh yeah sorry i forgot you sent that

potent portal
#

lmk if you have any questions

little osprey
#

Oh also. This is probably unrelated but I have bE lit up on my debug LED and an orange M BIOS light on my board lit up

#

I saw bE could be the cmos battery so I changed it and it didn't go away after I reset bios so I figured it might be another old battery because who buys those am i right?

#

So i bought some and they're coming

#

And the m bios light i can't figure out because I've looked through the manual of my board I downloaded and I can't find the reason

little osprey
#

Reinstalling Windows because I cannot get past these blue screens

#

Reeeeeally didn't wanna have to do that but ill get over it

wary tundra
#

Would anyone know why my new monitor has a graining effect on just whites or even a greasy look to whites

cyan ravine
#

Post processing

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Some type of colour setting you had

#

Like hdr, dldsr

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Or super sampling

#

Would be my guess

#

As far as genuine answer tbh no I got none

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Lol

wary tundra
#

First is the new one and second is my old one

cyan ravine
#

Wth

#

Is it a higher resolution?

wary tundra
#

3440 1440

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and my older one is 2560 1440

cyan ravine
#

Wth

#

I'm honestly not sure

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I see exactly what you're talking about

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Oh you know what

#

That could be dsc

#

Display stream compression

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What hz is the new screen

wary tundra
#

144hz

wary tundra
cyan ravine
#

Is it plugged in with hdmi or displayport

#

And no you can't change it

#

It's an auto thing if you go beyond the plug speed

wary tundra
#

I tried both hdmi and displayport

cyan ravine
#

Displayport should be better

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144 shouldn't be dsc on dp

#

So we can rule out dsc

wary tundra
#

I also changed resolutions and brightness and sharpness settings and it didnt seem to fix it

cyan ravine
#

I'm honestly completely unclear what it is man

#

That's a new one for me

#

Maybe someone else knows

wary tundra
#

hopefully

#

I may just return it and buy a higher end monitor

#

thank you for the help

cyan ravine
#

No worries

rain bloom
#

So I ended up getting Ram that was incompatible with my motherboard. Silicon power claims they will send me a new batch that is compatible but I’m considering just returning and finding a similarly priced Ram, is that the right play?

#

This is what I’m considering getting since it’s only a few dollars more expensive

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rain carbon
cyan ravine
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If they will send you a new batch I would wait

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But every board can run all dies unless you're on like an old evga z690 that never got updated

#

And thus has 24gb stick issues

rain bloom
#

This is what I got from SP

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cyan ravine
#

May not be

#

It's still incorrect

#

Reason why I know this is because there's only 3 ram manufacturers for ram chips

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Micron hynix samsung

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All boards are tailored to run these even if not on the qvl

#

So you got a replacement guaranteed but it's for the wrong reasoning lol

rain bloom
#

So they just sent me a bum model? PC wouldn’t boot and I’ve been waiting so long to get this thing going lol

cyan ravine
#

Wait you're having issues with the replacement?

rain bloom
#

No I haven’t got the replacement yet

cyan ravine
#

Then just wait for those yeah

#

Just clarifying you clicked the sticks all the way in yeah

#

And you used slots 2 and 4 right

#

Ram not seated correctly can cause all manner of issues, same as using the wrong combo of slots

rain bloom
#

Tried it in both 2 4 and 1 3, no boot. I made the not seated mistake my first build, seemed right this time

cyan ravine
#

Alr

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Did you try 1 stick?

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At a time

#

If one boots and not the other then yeah bad stick lol

rain bloom
#

I haven’t tried that I suppose. I can mess around with it tomorrow and see if that changes anything. 1 stick goes in slot 2?

#

Also is it possible the mobo just doesn’t support this type of Ram? I did look online and neither Gigabyte or SP listed these products as “compatible”

potent portal
#

General compatibility isn't determined by anyone except Intel and AMD

#

The basic code that the BIOS runs on, provided by them directly, determines if it's compatible

#

What's possible is that they have a bad batch of RAM that doesn't like the way some BIOS's try to auto overclock by default

little osprey
#

My GPU is still being a goofball lol

#

I dunno what to do

#

I've done all I can think to do

potent portal
#

Does it work in safe mode

#

And does it work before you install the nvidia driver?

#

If the answer to either of those is yes, you might want to try an older driver version

little osprey
#

It works in safe mode 🤯

#

This stuff is complicated 😭

potent portal
#

DDU and install that version after

little osprey
#

It was working earlier this week so im just gonna go back to the November driver

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Oh okay sorry I didn't read

#

Okay going to the September 11th driver

potent portal
#

That's the September version, November had other issues

little osprey
#

I apologize for not reading your message sooner

potent portal
#

All good

little osprey
#

I was just typing away lol

#

So now i just ignore Nvidia everytime there's a driver

#

Got trust issues now

#

If that is the problem anyway

#

I hope it is so bad

potent portal
#

With GPU drivers it's good to take a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" approach

little osprey
#

What the heck bro. The fans started spinning up again and then stopped once more

potent portal
#

Only update if they have optimizations for a game you want to play or a new feature you want to use, both of which are unlikely to apply to your GPU.

little osprey
#

Gotcha. Yeah my gpu is old

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I only play tiny games

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Like lethal company

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Texas chainsaw it runs decent tho

#

Maybe i should restart

potent portal
#

Yes restarting is good after a driver install

little osprey
#

Okay spinning

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Aaaaand they stopped

potent portal
#

GPU fans stopping is normal

cyan ravine
#

There's like 10000 ram products out there

little osprey
#

Mine usually run 24/7 like an idle speed

cyan ravine
#

And they pay one guy to test as many as possible

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Thing is

#

They can't pay him to test every ram kit on the planet

potent portal
#

My fans don't start until the GPU core hits 50C

cyan ravine
#

He also needs to test other motherboards

#

So this one guy will test

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A bunch

#

Of ram

#

Check they turn on, run fine

#

Ok great

#

Next kit

#

He will publish a list

#

But the kicker is this

#

That list is full of ram, which, is the same ram sold by other brands

little osprey
#

Oh my god

cyan ravine
#

All that ram you buy from SP, g.skill or whoever

little osprey
#

My old motherboard was making it run constantly

cyan ravine
#

It's all one of 5 different ram ic's

little osprey
#

I hate myself😭

cyan ravine
#

Resold by different brands

#

So SP is just a reseller

#

Like G.skill

#

And your qvl is therefore a complete meme of a job

#

Because they test dozens of ram kits

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Miss thousands others

#

And within those dozens they cover all possible ram kits

#

So it's like

#

It works but also they make it look like many don't that are identically built underneath?

#

It's a meme

#

Completely misleading and some idiot is paid 6 figures to do this for every motherboard

#

So you got a replacement for incompatibility

potent portal
#

Or they're covering up a bad batch by calling it a "compatibility issue"

cyan ravine
#

Which is, great? I guess

#

Ya

#

It's a misleading answer

#

The kit isn't incompatible it's just having a fault issue

#

There are five types of ram chips in ddr5

#

Micron rev a

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Micron rev b

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Samsung rev b

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Hynix rev m

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Hynix rev a

#

In that huge list of compatible ram

#

I guarantee all 5 are in there

#

And one of those 5 are in that ram

#

Incompatibility is literally impossible lol

#

Being physically broken however, is not

#

So hopefully that explains it in a nutshell what I'm trying to say

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Lol

#

All ram is created in a whole separate place and brands like g.skill and SP just resell it as their own

rain bloom
cyan ravine
#

I really should pin that debrief somewhere

#

Maybe a bot command? We've had a lot of people ask of late

#

If you're curious about some proof of what I mean go google "Corsair revision number" or "G.skill 042 code"

#

Those are complete lists of exact ram chips that each of their ram kits use

#

It's printed on the label on the stick

#

But there's tons of info on those two specifically

#

So you can see some real examples and learning to see what they stick inside the ram

little osprey
#

My PC is all good now 🤌

#

Wish i could rate this chat 5 stars

cyan ravine
#

Tell others it's a good place

#

That's good enough for me lol

stray dome
#

Any thoughts on this build?

cyan ravine
stray dome
#

Gaming mostly. Would like to get into making music again.

cyan ravine
#

You got a lot of music devices to plug in?

#

Or just like

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Mouse, keyboard, headphones

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Maybe a couple other things like a mic, webcam

stray dome
#

Mouse,keyboard, headphones, synthesizers,mic,drum machine, depends what I can get working. It's been awhile

cyan ravine
#

So a fair few then

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Ok, not as many things to say but still a lot

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I'll post something cheaper

#

Lol

stray dome
#

Good audio quality mobo. My sound card is ancient technology by now.

cyan ravine
#

I would get a separate dac for that

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Dac+mixer

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Even ancient tech in the music industry is still good tbh

#

It depends what you bought

stray dome
#

That was my thoughts as well. Thought the technology had gotten better over the years.

potent portal
#

Not a single consumer motherboard has a good, reliable onboard audio

cyan ravine
#

Not in the last 20 lmao

#

Even the best boards use meh codecs

stray dome
#

Going analog to digital was always a pain

cyan ravine
#

Independently filtered card or unit >>>> any mobo

stray dome
#

80's synths were just built better.

#

Current pc is from 2012 I believe. It was top of the line back in the day. 120mm aio and 16 gigs of ram!

cyan ravine
#

How's 8 usb sound

manic cloak
#

Diesel what happened to the build 😭

cyan ravine
#

8 enough or need more

stray dome
#

I've been down the rabbit hole!

#

Keep changing my mind with reviews

cyan ravine
#

Is 8 usb enough diesel

stray dome
#

This is good but that is better... it's a bit much

cyan ravine
#

Or more

#

More or less

stray dome
#

Was going to get the 7800x3d but then read up on the 9700x...

cyan ravine
#

Lol

cyan ravine
#

Matters on the motherboard choice

stray dome
#

Asus used to be the go to mobo.... times have changed

#

8 would be good.

cyan ravine
#

Would you think you need more

#

With music it's not so much speed but the sheer count of usb

#

So your call

#

@stray dome also what's your sound card

#

Your old one

#

Need to look at it to see the physical wiring

#

Otherwise I might forego it and suggest a new sound setup

#

Oh

#

Wtf

#

@potent portal

#

Gaming plus b650 has a x4 wired 4.0 bottom slot

#

But tomahawk x1 wired 4.0

#

Tf?

manic cloak
#

we love msi!

stray dome
#

I would have to dig through storage to find my old sound card. And the midi cables that go with it. Probably easier to get a new one.

#

650 vs 670 vs 870.... and the e varieties what's the differences

cyan ravine
#

I'll pick the b650 gaming plus since it has iirc 8 usb at the back and the bottom slot is wired for a sound card or capture card

#

So it's not bad

stray dome
#

@manic cloak is the Christopher in your Pic? I'm re watching sopranos...

cyan ravine
#

@stray dome also what gpu are you slapping in this pc

manic cloak
cyan ravine
#

Did you have one

#

Or do I put a new gpu

manic cloak
#

put a new gpu

#

I think his old one is a 1070?

cyan ravine
#

What was the budget for a gpu

#

His total budget 2K?

stray dome
#

My current card is a... cough cough 1050ti....but will be getting a new 0ne

manic cloak
#

mb

cyan ravine
#

What's his budget lads

stray dome
#

2k

cyan ravine
#

Ok 2K total budget

#

Let's wind this back a notch

#

CAD right, not USD

manic cloak
#

yes

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& no where near a CC

stray dome
#

I would like to keep the artic 360mm aio

#

400 kms away from a cc... not sure what that is in freedom units.

potent portal
#

LF3 is good for AMD at least, but it's not easy to install

stray dome
#

Nothing in life worth doing is ever easy

potent portal
#

true that

stray dome
#

It's the one part that I know for a fact is good. Nothing but good things I've heard.

cyan ravine
#

I gotta go but ye, that

#

Also don't need to pay for windows

stray dome
#

Thank you

potent portal
#

For AM4 and AM5 it's one of the top AIOs. The only negatives are ease of installation and case compatibility, since it uses a thicker radiator and tubes

stray dome
#

Should fit in the fractal north case?

#

No windows?

potent portal
#

Windows is free to use, and cheap to buy from third party sites if you want to use the custimization menus

cyan ravine
#

Ok back

#

@stray dome come ping me or fal when you've built the pc and booted up

#

Install windows but don't buy it

#

Then come and ask us

#

You'll be sorted

stray dome
#

Copy that. Thanks guys.

shut rampart
#

Trying to update bios but my usb is exfat how do I make it fat32

cyan ravine
#

Formatting it

plucky timber
#

Right click the drive

#

Click format

shut rampart
#

only options I have is exfat and something else

cyan ravine
#

It is ze wae

#

Fat32 should be an option

shut rampart
#

dont have

plucky timber
#

Is it a 100GB+ drive?

shut rampart
plucky timber
#

Fat has a capacity limit I think

potent portal
#

Inside Windows, open an admin command prompt
diskpart
list disk
[identify the disk number by drive size, call it X]
select disk X
select volume 1
format fs=fat32 quick

plucky timber
#

Or is windows just being crap

potent portal
plucky timber
#

Windows moment

#

Have they decided to not let users format to fat now

potent portal
#

Yeah it's just Windows wanting you to use the newer, slightly more efficient file system that happens to be licensed property instead of the open source fat32

shut rampart
potent portal
#

You picked the wrong disk I think

shut rampart
plucky timber
#

Imagine if he formatted the efi

shut rampart
#

dont think so

cyan ravine
#

Lolwat

#

It should allow fat32

potent portal
#

Oh wait, it's
select partition 1
not volume, my bad

cyan ravine
#

Are you running cmd as admin

plucky timber
#

When no mkfs.fat -F 32 /dev/sda1

cyan ravine
#

May be a workaround here

shut rampart
cyan ravine
#

I know windows installation media makes fat32 out of usbs

#

Oh that'll be why

#

Use a smaller usb

shut rampart
#

oki

cyan ravine
#

Try 16gb or 8gb

potent portal
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Alternatively you can delete the partition and create a new, smaller one

plucky timber
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Windows install isos don't work with ventoy right?

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Actually they should

cyan ravine
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They do

potent portal
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They do on newer versions, with GPT and UEFI enabled

cyan ravine
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He's using a 64gb usb

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That's likely his problem

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Fat tabling has size limits

plucky timber
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I've used a 128GB usb for my miltiboot

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Maybe it's NTFS

shut rampart
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yeah 16gb auto has fat32

plucky timber
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Hold up

cyan ravine
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Mbr has the same issue over 2tb

cyan ravine
potent portal