building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pDRYcf/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl32-memory-f5-6000j3238f16ga2-tz5rs

[tepid meteor]

the only reason i picked those where for CL28

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bbJgXL/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-ff4d532g5600hc32dc01

[tepid meteor]

if thats worth it

[cyan ravine]

These will all do cl28 if you know what you're doing

CL means nothing on ddr5 anyway

[tepid meteor]

sure?

[cyan ravine]

It makes less than 1% difference

Absolutely positive

[tepid meteor]

alrighty

so 2 sticks is the meta

in pc building

[cyan ravine]

https://youtu.be/pgb8N23tsfA

Here's a source if you want verification

[tepid meteor]

i want 64 gig so imma find some 2x 32 sticks

thanks by the way

[cyan ravine]

What is the pc for

What are your uses

[tepid meteor]

mostly games

but im looking into learning how to create some games

[cyan ravine]

32GB is fine then

Given a budget, 64GB rarely makes sense and it's better to dump this extra money into the parts that boost fps

[tepid meteor]

its not much more expencive to get dubble even if i will never use it

[cyan ravine]

For your needs 32gb is ample

Yes but you will need to reallocate funds of your budget for something you might never use is my point

[tepid meteor]

i got a budget on about 450

no everything else is payed for :3

[dusky hearth]

(paid)

[cyan ravine]

Nothing isn't reversible

[tepid meteor]

im not good at english sorry sir

[dusky hearth]

English is a wacky language

[cyan ravine]

And on top of that anyway $400 is enough for a basic 32gb ddr5 platform

So 64gb is likely still out of reach

[tepid meteor]

i used to play max payne when i was younger

i think i got it from there

[dusky hearth]

Lmao

[tepid meteor]

XD

for any of you that wonder about my specs im running a 4070 ti super 16gb, and a ryzen 7 9800x3d

[cyan ravine]

Could fit a 4080 instead if we didn't just add 32gb extra

Just saying

No performance lost only gains

[tepid meteor]

Felix i get you

and i hear you

are you gonna be mad at me if i get ram i will never make use off?

[cyan ravine]

I've been down your beaten path

And I'm hear as a messenger

Don't repeat my stupids

[cyan ravine]

I really could care less I help thousands of people a year

Not to be rude

[tepid meteor]

to be honest i had a 4080 in mind but i got outsold

[cyan ravine]

But I'm very used to it lol

[tepid meteor]

either way thanks for the help felix, i should get ram sticks

[cyan ravine]

It's your call end of the day mate but just saying the jump to 64gb is the equivalence of the jump to a 4080

[tepid meteor]

and you too igetmen

[tepid meteor]

Im doing that man, why not. already found a nice card

[fallow knot]

so quick question my bios update for this z790 a max wifi was from 1/10/2024 and i have an i7 13th gen cpu should i update my bios or can i just leave the bios as is

[stoic island]

You should definitely update your bios to the latest version from 10/18/24, which updates microcode to 0x12b and fixes instability on 13th/14th gen

[fallow knot]

fair enough ill update it when i get back from work thx

[warm cove]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883360542

Hello! I am new to the server, so hopefully this is the correct place this, but I am having an issue with this build I purchased, and I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on what I should do? For some reason, whenever I play Fortnite, my CPU immediately caps to 100%, making the game stutter/freeze and -- at worst -- crash. I've played other, more graphically-intensive games on my computer with no issue, but with Fortnite, not even turning it down to the lowest settings help. Has anyone ever had the same issue, or knows of a fix to this? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks! 🙂

[potent portal]

I'm thinking the cooler came loose during shipping, so you can try remounting that. It happens sometimes with all prebuilt systems.

You can verify this before messing around by checking the temps with hwinfo64

[weary galleon]

I also thought this at first, but other games are working fine

Beyond checking file integrity or reinstalling Fortnite I'm not sure what to reccomend

[potent portal]

Switch to DX11 mode

[warm cove]

( @potent portal , tagging since you also responded!), Yeah! That's the weird thing, it only happens with Fortnite and nothing else... And I know this may be a silly question (I am new to the PC world), but this build should very much be running well with Fortnite right? There shouldn't be anything in particular that makes it run worse?

[weary galleon]

Yeah if everything was working as intended it would be fine for fortnite

More than fine really. Pretty high end specs

[warm cove]

Ahhh gotcha, yeah that's what i would have thought too! But even on lowest settings, the CPU immediately jumps to 100%... Gonna try to use hwinfo64 (which, I need to download seperately?)

[crimson zinc]

How’s your ram usage? @warm cove

[potent portal]

Fortnite is known to have some issues with DX12, and DX11 often runs smoother with less bugs

[warm cove]

Ohh, I'm not too sure..How do I track that? 😅

[weary galleon]

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

[warm cove]

Ohhh interesting 😮 I didn't know that! Out of curiosity, what's the difference between 12 and 11? Do the games not look as nice graphically?

[weary galleon]

Just a slightly different way of rendering I believe. Looks the same in most games

[potent portal]

That's pretty much it. It's just how the GPU interprets the signals from the game and interacts with the rest of the system.

[warm cove]

Downloading now to try out!

[potent portal]

DX12 enables the game to spread the CPU load over more/all cores, but this can cause bugs like the one you've encountered

If I'm not mistaken then DX12 is needed to run ray tracing but you shouldn't be running that in a competitive game anyway

[weary galleon]

On a modern system like yours, dx12 is often the better pick, but sometimes weird things happen and that isn't the case

[warm cove]

(Dang, can't add images in chat haha!). Do I enable "sensors-only"/"summary-only", or do i keep those unchecked? 😮

[warm cove]

( @potent portal ) Oooh gotcha!!

[crimson zinc]

My curiosity has the best of me

Maybe Fortnite isn’t allocating any ram usage or something off

[weary galleon]

Sensors only will probably be the most simple to view. That being said I'm not sure if hwinfo will be super helpful if Fortnite is the only game you're having issues with.

[plucky timber]

fortnite runs terribly at the higher settings

comp settings usually works best

[warm cove]

Yeah it's weird ... I've kept my activity monitor for other games, and usually my CPU hovers at like, 50% max. But as soon as I load into the main island of Fortnite with the bus, the CPU spikes up to 98-100%

[weary galleon]

They already tried low settings

[warm cove]

Yup. And the issue still happens. Someone told me to try setting the CPU usage min to 1% isntead of 0%, and it kind of worked ... until it didn't :v

[plucky timber]

ehh

that's unlikely to do anything

cpu usages don't usually tell the whole story

games and applications will more/less percentages of the cpu depending on what it's doing at the time

[warm cove]

Ok, so, I turned on HWinFO (and am a bit overwhelmed at what I am looking at hahah @_@), and I don't have Fortnite (or any game) on. Should I turn Fortnite on now?

[weary galleon]

Try dx11 before anything else tbh

[warm cove]

Ok, cool! Let me see if that works.

[weary galleon]

And verify game files thru the launcher as well

[warm cove]

Verifying now!

I thnk everything turned up clean, bc it went to 100% and stopped verifying?

https://www.reddit.com/r/FortNiteBR/comments/dztuak/comment/hv2l7sl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Ok, so I followed these instructions on changing it to DX11 (since apparently there is not a way to do it in-game?) so i'm loading the game to see!

https://imgur.com/a/UtcbxHO
https://imgur.com/a/Fv4aQ43

Just dropped on two full Battle Royale islands to test (attached imgur images above of activity monitor, and things are running much more smoothly! TwT The first island did hit the CPU cap at first, but not nearly as much as before (it was always at 98-100% for the entire match), and now it was just a blip. And the second island didn't have it hit cap at all!!! Fingers-crossed this fixed it - this is my first PC ever, so I am very much new to looking out for these kinds of things, thank you all soooooo much!!!

[potent portal]

Hopefully this fixes it permanently for you, happy to help

[weary galleon]

Yeah I feel like Fortnite lowkey just has all sorts of weird issues

Not terribly surprising since they ported it to UE5

Then again it's Epics own damn engine so I'd expect better

[warm cove]

Right?! I mean, I don't know what's running behind the scenes with Fortnite, but I was surprised that the game was giving me such heavy issues when every other game I was running was basically plug-and-play.

[weary galleon]

Well at least everything else is working well lol. Enjoy your build

[warm cove]

Right? hahah xD Thank you all so much! Super glad I found this server!

[warm cove]

Ok, so, update, the CPU isn't maxing out anymore, but I have gotten two game crashes back to back...

[potent portal]

We can try to debug it then. Go to %localappdata%\FortniteGame\Saved\Logs\ and send the files:
FortniteGame
FortniteLauncher
FortniteGame-backup-[date]

You can DM them to me since you can't post them here yet

[warm cove]

Thank you so much!! And will do!!

[weary galleon]

Keep chatting here and eventually you'll rankup and be able to send images

[potent portal]

DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED
Error: GPU Crashed or D3D Device Removed.
This normally happens with a driver issue, but would you happen to be on Windows 11 24H2?

[warm cove]

Oh, I’m not quite sure what that means, so sorry! 😣 I do know that I am on Windows 11, I’m just not sure what particular build of it!

[plucky timber]

sudo rm -rf /

fdisk /dev/nvme0n1

[potent portal]

Right click your start menu button, hit system, and look under Windows specifications > Version

Ah so it looks like this is a known error with the latest Nvidia drivers https://www.reddit.com/r/FortNiteBR/comments/1g48nbm/psa_fortnite_crashes_on_pc_the_past_few_weeks/

[warm cove]

Oh, yes! It seems that I am using a version of 23H2! 😮

If it helps, this is the version of windows that shipped with my PC

[potent portal]

The solution so far until they fix it is going to be to run DDU and install an older driver version. 561.09 is suggested. I'll grab a download link.

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[warm cove]

Ohhh ok 😮 so it’s likely not a hardware issue then?

[potent portal]

Nah it's just fortnitemare having issues with the drivers

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/details/232539/

[warm cove]

LOL!!! oh gosh, that’s a relief 😭 I was already dreading calling customer service tomorrow and doing a return or exchange for this PC — I didn’t realize PCs were this heavy to move around lol 😭😭

I’m surprised that the issue is related to an Nvidia driver, though! Sorry if this is a silly question, but doesn’t Nvidia only work with GPU, while mine seems to be having a CPU issue?

[potent portal]

The GPU and the CPU are closely linked when gaming

The CPU creates the frames that the GPU then has to interpret and render

The driver is part of that connection

It's also possible you were experiencing 2 different bugs at the same time, wouldn't be surprised with that game

[warm cove]

Oh wow! I had no idea about how that worked, this is probably the best someone has ever broken this down for me! 😄 Thanks!

[warm cove]

LOL yeah maybe!!! I didn’t realize Fortnite had this many issues lol I figured it was a highly optimized game, given it’s popularity and the fact that it’s directly made by the creators of Unreal

Mostly the ladder honestly!

[potent portal]

Speaking of Unreal, that's part of the reason the game has so many bugs. It's a dirty port from UE4 to UE5.

[warm cove]

Ohh, interesting! It’s funny because, just before I was playing it on PC, I was playing it on console (PS5), and I did not have nearly as many tech issues, if any!

Maybe it’s because now I did the switch to PC and I’m having to face all of the issues of having to play a game that’s not necessarily optimized for my specific build, but ever since joining PC I have heard many leas than nice things said about UE5 hahah!

[potent portal]

UE5 is great, in theory, and theory does not always translate to reality.

UE5 was also responsible for exposing severe issues with high end Intel CPUs

[warm cove]

Ahhh interesting! (Also, that was something new that I discovered when I was on the market for a PC, I didn’t realize that people other than Intel were making CPU!)

They really have such a huge lion share of public consciousness on CPUs hahah!

[potent portal]

The reason the console appears to run better is because they only need to account for 5 different hardware versions instead of near infinite combinations, and Sony is VERY strict about fixing crashes to the point where the game will be de-listed if they put off fixing it for too long. The result is that consoles get priority bug fixing.

And yes for the longest time AMD were simply not competitive at all in the CPU market. Then everything changed when Lisa Su attacked... I mean, took over as CEO. She's completely turned the company around to where they now have total dominance in almost every way over Intel as far as performance goes.

Lisa Su is Time Magazine's CEO of the year now

[warm cove]

Oh daaaang I didn’t know Sony was that strict!!!

[potent portal]

They're selective about when they use that power (notably I've never seen a Sony first party game get threatened with that)

[warm cove]

Daaaang 😮 is there a reason why so many computers still run Intel as their CPU? Is it a matter of them being more affordable than Ryzen?

[potent portal]

It's a matter of mindshare. People that don't look past the label expect Intel to still be on top.

Meanwhile AMD currently has no less than 4 processors that beat Intel's best processor overall in gaming

[warm cove]

Ahhh interesting! Yeah, I mean, I remember growing up and watching commercials about Intel on TV! I don’t think I’ve ever seen a commercial for AMD in general

[warm cove]

Oh wow!!!!

99.99% of my friends are purely console gamers, so being one of the only people who is now mainly a PC/Switch gamer means that I’m kind of in the dark about a lot of of these intricacies lol the closest I ever got to approaching some of this stuff was when I first got my steam deck.

And even then, there is one specific build on Linux

[potent portal]

The Steam Deck is diving right into the deep end since it runs Linux lol

[warm cove]

Yep LOLOL. It took me approximately 3 1/2 headaches to get Final Fantasy XI running on that thing.

On the plus side, it did teach me how to use a Terminal — albeit barely LOL

[jagged ember]

Way better than the PS Portal though

[primal prawn]

Hi, which is better in terms of performance on gaming, editing software (architecture) and power consumption. 4060 ti or 7600 xt?

[jagged ember]

You don't need to be in range of your ps5 for one

[cyan ravine]

Literally any other card apart from these two

[primal prawn]

what if there's no other option? budget tight

[cyan ravine]

There definitely is, 6700/6750xt

Both those cards are so bad I never recommend them

Bottom of the stack for price, value, performance

[primal prawn]

let me check thank you, I don't really know about cards. I just thought newer is better

[potent portal]

That's an easy trap to fall into

[honest anchor]

Hey is 5600x still good enough cpu for arc b580?

[cyan ravine]

Understandable, but there's always the bad and the good with these things

[cyan ravine]

Yes. Can confirm

<Seen it 1st hand

[potent portal]

Yes, as long as it's a B550 or X570 motherboard so it can use PCIe 4.0

[honest anchor]

Yes its got b550 mobo

[potent portal]

Perfect

[honest anchor]

Thankss

[potent portal]

Only other thing to note then is to update BIOS and make sure Resizable BAR is on

[honest anchor]

Yes rebar is on.

Been holding on to gtx 1650, i think its time to get new one, was told to try the intel gpu

[potent portal]

They're pretty good this time around. Better than the 3060/4060 for less money.

The trick is finding one in stock

[honest anchor]

I guess i got lucky, got some from our local stores

Thanks again chat 👍

[cyan ravine]

Nice pick lad

I dig

[primal prawn]

Hi again, so apparently its hard to find those cards in my country (OOS), are there any other cards you can recommend?

[crimson zinc]

Get it get it get it get it

[cyan ravine]

Used 1080ti, 2080 super, 3070, rx 6800, 7700xt

6650xt 6600xt

Like literally anything else at that price bracket new or used

Lol

[gleaming arrow]

Alright guys so,

I’ve been rocking an egpu setup for quite a while now

But it’s just not cutting it anymore, and I want to get an actual pc back up and running

I’m a big fan of the mini form factor pc types of cases (not to be confused with sff, so mini itx, but micro atx cases) and wanna look into the cheapest price/perf way I can go about converting my egpu setup into a mff build

I’ve got well, gpu, psu, and technically some ddr4 ram I could use

[tawny violet]

Is the eGPU using a desktop PSU?

I assume it's not one of those integrated solutions that Gigabyte likes to make

@gleaming arrow

[gleaming arrow]

Yeah it is

Sorry for the late reply

[pseudo forge]

What’s the best and most reliable method of getting WiFi on a PC

[plucky timber]

minimalise the amount of walls between you and the router

[tawny violet]

What is your GPU and budget?

[gleaming arrow]

I’ve got a 5700 xt

Budget I don’t have one really just cheaper is usually better

[analog hearth]

Bot

Also bot

[obsidian wigeon]

270 bucks for b580

spicy

[analog hearth]

Still worth it (drivers might make it better?)

[obsidian wigeon]

it's still worth it tbh

drivers should make it better in due time

like a year after

[warm badge]

just got some bacon grease ordered

[clear pasture]

hey guys is it possible that my pc doesnt boot sometimes is due to the cpu not being seated right?

its a am5 cpu

[warm badge]

I dunno but do you have bacon grease?

[clear pasture]

no

idk it will boot sometimes

do i have updare my bios?

[gleaming arrow]

Realistically if at all possible I’d rather spend no more than like, 2, 300$ on the venture

Hell let’s try to fit that into 100$!! 🤑🤑🙏🏾

[stoic island]

So you need a case, CPU, mobo, potentially ram, and SSD?

[gleaming arrow]

Yep

And the hope is a micro atx specific case if at all possible

Think like Sama IM01 or Asus AP201

I don’t know what’s current meta in that market nowadays

[stoic island]

Probably just going to be a matter of finding a good combo or going used for everything

Are you near any microcenters?

[mossy venture]

You should try it

[weary galleon]

Without used parts this is probably what you'd be looking at
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2QB8rM

Or maybe an Intel 12400 instead of the 5600x but not sure how that works on ddr4

Could get the 5600x from AliExpress for $85

[cyan ravine]

C910 is a mid range 1tb for the same price

[weary galleon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y6PMb2

Could shave off some $ by getting less fans or an a520 mobo

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

Rest is fine

[gleaming arrow]

Sadly not

[stoic island]

Can swap case to like a pop air or a bit bigger and air 100 to not have to buy extra fans

[cyan ravine]

Shouldn't really need any

Tbh

Lol

[stoic island]

microcenter tends to have nice bundles, outside of microcenter, there aren't many good bundle deals

[weary galleon]

Yeah she just specifically mentioned im01 or ap201

[stoic island]

doesn't im01 not come with fans

[weary galleon]

Im01 comes with one 80mm

Of questionable quality

[cyan ravine]

In fact it makes more sense to not buy fans and buy a single tower

That's the best silent agreement I've ever partaken in thx

[mossy venture]

I forgot to plug the fan hub in on my friends build in a sama q5 so none of the fans were spinning

[cyan ravine]

[mossy venture]

7600 didn't go over 81c and 5700xt, with a really bad cooler stayed under 100c Hotspot. Turning fans on made like 2-3c difference

I do think the cpu should be cooler considering it has an fc140 on it

[cyan ravine]

Yeah fans only make a real difference if you get particularly good ones

[mossy venture]

But my friend can deal with a remount if its needed

[cyan ravine]

When it comes to low power stuff

Like a p12 max is great for that sort of thing

[weary galleon]

Are we being duped by Big Fan

[cyan ravine]

Run one or two or those for 5 minutes at 80% and a case temp will drop a few degrees

[mossy venture]

The 5700xt is some oem card, I've no clue what

It runs hotter than my partners 5700xt mech

[stoic island]

tbf the CPU cooler can just directly pull air from outside of the case without needing any airflow in smaller cases

[mossy venture]

I tuned the fan curve, power limited it, and oced the vram

Now it doesn't sound like a jet engine at least

[cyan ravine]

@gleaming arrow I'm considered the crazy one but hear me out
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ntqDqH

[mossy venture]

5500s a hard pass from me personally

Whats this for again? What gpus going in there?

[stoic island]

5700xt iirc

[mossy venture]

id rather the extra perf from a 5600/x, even if used or off aliexpress

[cyan ravine]

Agree if used but 3600 also for even less is also a thing

It's about as minimal as it gets nowadays tho

Like I'd expect maybe another year of relevance max

Lol

[mossy venture]

thats why id suggest the 5600/x

though ig you can always drop a 5700x3d later

[weary galleon]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLgtBHp

Oh non x is cheaper as well

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mMnYUiR

[cyan ravine]

I do be the crazy suggester

[mossy venture]

real

[gleaming arrow]

Doesn’t need to be those specifically but I like the specifically matx form factor a lot

It’s a rare thing to find

[weary galleon]

Check out the case Felix sent and see what you think

Sorta similar asthetic to the im01 but a tad larger

Cheaper though

Though @cyan ravine if fans are being foregone, would the mesh under the gpu in the im01 be worth the extra $ over the gamemax?

[gleaming arrow]

There’s also like 3 diff versions of the im01 from what I know

Like the pro or one with a mesh that’s the non pro

[gleaming arrow]

actually don’t mind the look of that game max

[cyan ravine]

Depends on the budget, if there's room to fit, yes

[weary galleon]

This gets below $300, gotta get the cpu from AliExpress though
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FjDDqH

[mossy venture]

B450m prime ii my beloved

[gleaming arrow]

What are the downsides to that again?

[weary galleon]

I suggested a b450 (not sure which tho) and got 'corrected' to this b550

[mossy venture]

The b450 prime has a bios flashback option

[weary galleon]

A520 doesn't support CPU overclocking and usually has less robust VRMs (power delivery/voltage regulation to cpu)

[mossy venture]

The asrock one you had earlier i don't think does

The pro vdh wifi is better, the prime is just cheaper

[gleaming arrow]

Would I still need fans regardless of case? Or would the pre installed in the game max be enough on their own too? I think I might have a fan or two lying around also

I am typically kind of a temps person I was no lie looking into water cooling the sama when I was looking at it last 😭

[mossy venture]

Are you open to ordering the cpu on aliexpress?

Also from experience the sama argb q5 is not the easiest to build in, but i also haven't built in any other matx cases

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pqxnt3

[gleaming arrow]

Yeah that’s fine tho idk how happy id be to wait year for it 😭

[weary galleon]

Typically doesn't take too long to ship

This shows Dec 31st-jan 9th for me
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLP3ZcX

[gleaming arrow]

Oh nice

[mossy venture]

Could also do mobo off aliexpress tbf

I think there's some $55 b450 primes

[weary galleon]

Cheapest non-chinese brand
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_mNOpVgn

Imbed shows non sale price

[mossy venture]

$12 diff, meh

[little osprey]

Any gaming headsets that are comfortable and that can be used wireless and wired? Looking to spend about $50-$100

[languid nimbus]

You could try to ask in #peripherals-and-displays

[little osprey]

Okay thank you

[ornate condor]

Getting 175w at 95c is alright ?

7900x with 360 aio

[mossy venture]

that does not sound right

bad mount, bad paste, or you forgot to take the plastic thing off imo

or bad aio

or forgot to plug pump header in

[ornate condor]

checked everyhing up and still getting instand 95c at occt

and cpu power draw shows 175c

[mossy venture]

i don't believe the 7900x should be hitting 95c under a 360mm aio

i know am5 runs hot but that doesn't sound right

[ornate condor]

Tried nzxt kraken 240 and thermalright aqua 360 v3 same result . But getting better wattage with 360

[weary galleon]

Mobo pump header borked maybe?

Or the CPU temp reading is wrong

[random rapids]

my cpu is running full power can anyone help waht do i need yo do

i jusyt installed windows and the others drivers

[ornate condor]

if you plugged aio pump to cpu fan header , maybe it shows pump speed . Pump should always run at max speed so

[potent portal]

175W is a normal wattage for a 7900X with PBO on, so at least it's not throttling

[analog hearth]

@wary tundra rage bait on your pump being upside down is goofy ngl

clean build otherwise though

[desert lantern]

To summarize, I have a GEFORCE RTX GPU (might help out idk, not a tec wizard) , My pc was working fine a few days ago and just yesterday when I turned it on nothing happened, like I can hear it sound like it’s turning on but usually it does this flashing lights thing and actually turns on.

I have no idea what to do and I don’t want to trash it because I think maybe I knocked a cord loose?.

[mossy venture]

what power supply do you have

manufacturered and model

and what specific gpu do you have?

[potent portal]

What makes you think you knocked a cord loose? It might do this if the 24 pin connector is loose, where you send the power on signal from the board but the power_ok signal never gets back to the power supply, causing it to shut off.

[potent portal]

I don't see anything "running full power" there, maybe you mean the CPU fan? If that's the case check if it's a 3 pin or 4 pin fan on the cpu header. 3 pin should be set to DC mode in BIOS, 4 pin PWM.

[cyan ravine]

CAM moment

💀

[potent portal]

Yeah I'm not even touching the high idle %

[cyan ravine]

I like the pc name tho ngl

[cyan ravine]

So like you press the button, you hear the click but nothing happens?

[potent portal]

That's Dutch for "computer management"

[desert lantern]

Exactly!

[cyan ravine]

I was reading it like

Computer be here

[analog hearth]

computerbeer

[cyan ravine]

That's the psu tripping out from something causing current drop/ground/short

That's a psu issue or something plugged into the pc causing it

In a strange twist of irony, that could happen from a loose cord

Lol

[desert lantern]

I’m not much into technology but that’s the only thing that made sense, it’s been running fine for quite sometime and everything in it was practically brand new, my mic was plugged into the back of it and what’s weirder is when my pc was plugged in (wasn’t on) my mic would be too, including all of this not wanting to turn on.

[analog hearth]

That can also happen if you have crazy specs like a 4090 and 14900K going through a 350W PSU (350W is idle power for a system like this lol)

[cyan ravine]

Ok yeah you have a short somewhere

That just confirms it for me

[desert lantern]

Any idea how to fix it?

[analog hearth]

new PSU (if nothing else works)

[cyan ravine]

Unplug things until it all better

Try the stuff in the back first

[potent portal]

Unplug everything from the back except for the keyboard and mouse, flip the power switch off, wait 15 seconds, flip it on

[cyan ravine]

One by one

Yep

What fal said basically same thing

[desert lantern]

Alright!, will do

[cyan ravine]

It should turn straight on no problem when you find it

This can also include things inside the pc but the easy steps are stuff connected to it first

[potent portal]

Rarely you'll see something like a SSD that decided to nuke everything and short circuit like this

[cyan ravine]

Sometimes you can also unplug something, everything works, then it stops again

It's annoying af but power is trial and error without a multimeter

So no way around it really

[wary tundra]

oh I did that on purpose, I couldn't find a way to have it be upright due to the drive cage. I appreciate it though!

fractal design focus g is the case

[desert lantern]

Still not turning on but definitely can hear it sound like it’s turning on.

[potent portal]

Unplug keyboard and mouse too next

Should be nothing plugged in except power now

[desert lantern]

Nope just still making the sound like it’s on, no lights or anything

[mossy venture]

what power supply is it

[desert lantern]

How do I find that out?.

[mossy venture]

it'll say it on the side of it

[desert lantern]

I’m assuming that’s the input number? .

[mossy venture]

just send me a picture of the power supply in dms

[primal prawn]

is 7700xt still viable for 5600g cpu?

[potent portal]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

Monitor unplugged?

[desert lantern]

I plugged it in to turn it on , but now it’s unplugged

[cyan ravine]

Still same problem?

So only the power is plugged in yeah?

[mossy venture]

Psy is greatwall e750

[little osprey]

Thanks, it looks sick

[random rapids]

can anyone help i have updated my bios i think i installed teh right drivers for my pc

bud my cpu is still running 100%

[analog hearth]

wym 100%? It says 11% load in NZXT cam

you mean the frequency? it's normal for CPUs to run at whatever frequency. If it makes you feel better, go to Control Panel and turn on the Balanced or Power Saver power plan

Just switch it back to High Performance when gaming

I have a Python program that lets you change the performance plan on the fly. I'd have to find it but I should make it a lot more user friendly to use and make the Github repo for it public for people to download lol

[dusky hearth]

quick actions thingy

make it swich with a click

[analog hearth]

Yeah basically

Super nice so you don't have to navigate all the way through Control Panel

I really should make it easier for people to just download it and use it

rn it's like "enter the Power Plan code (or something) into this text file. Add some Python code specifically for the menu options and have it link to those Power Plan codes. Finally, use this command to convert the Python code into a .exe file just so you can add it to your Start Menu"

[dusky hearth]

lmao

[analog hearth]

I want that to be a single file that detects all of it and makes it a single installer file

Also without the use of installing Python (it's converted to a .exe. It has all of the code it needs to run without having Python installed. Super nice)

[wary tundra]

Appreciate it!

[dusty cedar]

idk anything about amd. is this a decent laptop? got it for my daughter for christmas since they were sold out of the one i was going to buy.

[rain carbon]

Not bad, but nothing special for the price

[untold vessel]

Hey guys, what's the proper way to transfer all data from one NVMe to a new NVME when my motherboard has 2 slots?

I have a new 4TB Gen 4 NVMe SSD. I current have all my files stored across a 500GB Gen 3 NVMe SSD & a 1TB HDD.

On my motherboard, I have a Gen 4 NVMe slot and a Gen 3 NVMe slot. The plan is to put EVERYTHING I currently have on both my current storages and put it into the new 4TB NVMe SSD, leaving the old ones for emergency overload storage only. What's the proper process for this? Where do I even begin? I can't wrap my head around Windows OS transfers to start

[weary galleon]

I would probably clone the current OS drive to the 4tb using Macrium Reflect, then somehow expand the main partition and move the files from the other drive onto it

[untold vessel]

Can I please have this in layman's terms

[weary galleon]

Put new 4tb drive and the drive you currently have Windows on into the motherboard.

Use Macrium Reflect to clone the old drive with Windows onto the 4tb drive

Then you'll likely need to expand the main partition on the 4tb drive. That would be done in windows Disk Management, I'm not sure exactly how though

Once that's done, keep the 4tb drive in the motherboard and swap the OS drive for the other old drive

Then copy the old drive files onto the 4tb

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree#backup-and-recovery-software-for-home-pcs

Just use the free version/trial, it's all you'll need

[untold vessel]

Looked a few things up. Is Partitioning just when you subdivide your own drive?

[weary galleon]

Yeah pretty much. When you clone the 1tb (or 500gb, whichever has the OS) to the 4tb I suspect the partitions will only take up 1Tb/500gb, so you'll need to expand the main one in order to use the other 3tb/3.5tb

I'm not an expert at partitions though so maybe lookup a tutorial or have someone else here help out lol

[untold vessel]

okay, so, once i use macrium reflect to clone ALLLL my HDD's files and ALLLL my old SSD's files onto my new 4TB SSD, everything will be in one "partition"? is that how macrium reflect works?

and then, in windows disk management, I would...?

I'm still a little confused. Am I transfering the files first, and then moving my OS from the old SSD to the new SSD? I want to move the OS too, alongside the files so I can get faster boot-up times too

[weary galleon]

Just to make things a bit easier to talk about, is your OS on the 1tb or 500gb?

Oh the 500gb is an SSD so I assume OS is on there?

[untold vessel]

just a moment. have to find out and confirm. I'm guessing its on the 500gb ssd

[weary galleon]

Anyways Macrium Reflect will let you clone the entire drive to the new one, including OS and stuff. It will be an identical copy (clone) of the old drive

[untold vessel]

completely side-tracked question, but if I wipe an SSD by accident, is my unique windows license just lost to the void, never able to be recovered?

[weary galleon]

I think windows licenses may be tied to MS accounts and can be retrieved somehow

Also Macrium won't wipe the old drive unless you tell it to. So you can test out the cloned drive and make sure.it works before wiping the old one

[untold vessel]

oooh, i think I get it. So when M.R. clones my current SSD and clones my current HDD, it'll do 3 partitions automatically, a "up to 500gb partition", a "up to 1tb partition", and "the rest of the 4tb remaining" partition?

[untold vessel]

i swear I heard something about this somewhere too. I sure hope so

[weary galleon]

You'll only want to clone the OS drive and then go from there

Likely moving files from the non-OS drive will be more 'manual'

[dusty cedar]

what would that be compared to an intel setup?

[untold vessel]

the drive with the OS also has a couple games on it. when I copy it, it'll be fine, no?

[weary galleon]

Yep, it'll clone everything

[untold vessel]

alrighty, i'll give it a shot. Thank you, @weary galleon !

[rain carbon]

The cpu doesnt hold much weight in a laptop, but if you mean intel + nvidia card wise youd be looking at something like a 3070 mobile

If you mean desktop however you probably could easily do a b580 with an am4 socket

[cyan ravine]

Excellent.

[rain carbon]

Yee thats a very good value laptop

Id have to nitpick to find anything generally better

Again, nothing special but great choice

Plus im sure you can upgrade the ram and ssd if she ever needs more

Depends if its soldered to the mobo tho

[dusty cedar]

shes 11 so i dont think shes gonna need anything more for now. just makin sure i didnt get ripped off on the price. there was a msi laptop on sale for under 700 with a 13th gen i5 and a 4070 that i could have got, but it had to be by mail and it wouldnt have got here til after christmas. so i ended up paying 100 more for this.

[cyan ravine]

This is better

Those current gen msi ones build them cheap

So you get the parts but they perform under average

[dusty cedar]

alright. cool cool. she should be solid on this for a few years then.

[cyan ravine]

Yeah, if she gets one with 1 16gb stick then you should be able to upgrade it

(One of the few times I'll say mixing ram is ok because it's laptop spec)

They sometimes ship with 2x8

Either way 32gb in that would last her a looonnngggg ass time

She'll be set for a while

16gb is fine too but she'll have limitations these days is the only caveat

So keeping her windows very clean, always keeping things updated, keep programs closed in the background

Stuff that keeps the ram in check

[dusty cedar]

she doesnt play or do anything real intensive. her santas list of games probably dont even require 16gb

[cyan ravine]

Fair enough

Just saying if you're thinking of anything to make it better that's all that comes to mind

That laptop is excellent otherwise

I have been trying to nab one

[dusty cedar]

yeah same with my laptop that i need to do something with. usually all you need to do to upgrade it is ram and ssd swap. but shes not gonna use it the same way i would or how you would. seems like a waste of extra money for something she wont even get any benefit from

[cyan ravine]

As I said fair enough

Just offering my two cents on the potential

[dusty cedar]

i almost just bought me a new laptop. got this big a moniter instead

[hardy remnant]

Is there a cpu that balances workstation (cinema4d, blender, Adobe suite) with gaming performance well? Pretty finicky situation if the use case is 50/50

but I know very little about cpu's beyond looking at benchmarks

[potent portal]

7950X3D

Or if you're on a tighter budget, 7900X3D

We're expecting the new 9950X3D and 9900X3D soon-ish

[hardy remnant]

oh interesting, i thought the x3D line was more focused on gaming performance

[cyan ravine]

It's a do all type chip

Tbh depending on your degree of commitment any x3d is solid

[potent portal]

The top ones balance it by having one CCD with the extra cache and another with the traditional style of "more power, more clocks, more better" that workstation stuff likes

[cyan ravine]

You don't need a super cpu to do daily work, it's more of a "I can do it much faster" type of deal

So even the normal 8 core ones are still decent

[hardy remnant]

mhm, so the only thing a more workstation orientated chip would do is be a bit faster?

[potent portal]

Depends on the task, but generally speaking yes it's potentially 10% (and usually less than that) faster at doing long tasks like rendering

If you got something exclusively for workstation over a hybrid design

[hardy remnant]

I've been having issues in cinema4D with my current i5 13700k especially since their in house renderer uses the cpu and you can't change it to use the gpu primarily

but anything would prob be an upgrade from that

[hardy remnant]

mm yeah, I have been thinking about if it would just make more sense to have a dual setup

but time is not an issue at least right now

so I'm okay with potentially longer render times

[potent portal]

Oh that's basically just cinebench multi core, it'll be super easy to find what the best options are

[hardy remnant]

that is true, but I'm not exclusively using Cinema4D

PS, Premiere, AE, Blender, Zbrush, Substance Painter

[potent portal]

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu_benchmark-cinebench_2024_multi_core
13700k is pretty far down this list, with just about every relevant ryzen 9 processor above it. 13700K to a 7950X3D would be a boost of 31%, plus you'd have far better gaming performance in CPU limited scenarios.

[hardy remnant]

oh yeah, that is true

[potent portal]

The 7900X3D is effectively tied

[hardy remnant]

but a bit cheaper?

prices have gone up again after Christmas as usual D: when do they usually start dropping again?

I'll probably go with one of those then, 7900 or 7950

do you have a mobo recommendation? since I'll be switching from intel

[potent portal]

Hopefully when the new chips launch jan-feb the previous gen goes on sale but if it's anything like the 9800X3D launch it's going to be impossible to get

AMD motherboards are much more forgiving than Intel ones. Just about anything with a decent heatsink on the VRM should be good enough.

B650 or higher

[hardy remnant]

alrighty! thank you

air cooling should be fine with a good one?

[potent portal]

Yep, I'll grab a recommendation on both

[hardy remnant]

i did hear amd runs a bit hotter but that was for the 9900x / 9950x ones

ty!

[potent portal]

That was also the non-3D models that ran hotter

The X3D ones have a lower temp limit to counter a cooling issue

The 9000 series solves that issue

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NYJVwg

[hardy remnant]

ah thank you! that's the cooler i currently have

[potent portal]

That's excellent then, no changes needed there

[hardy remnant]

mm micro board because it's cheaper?

[potent portal]

Yeah, most people don't need the extra PCIe slots so there's little reason to get full ATX these days

[hardy remnant]

makes sense!

I guess I have parts picked then, thanks for the tips!

[potent portal]

One thing to note is that motherboard does only have 2 RAM slots, but you shouldn't run 4 sticks with DDR5 anyway so it actually works in your favor

Often you can get higher RAM speeds on boards with 2 slots instead of 4

[hardy remnant]

I have 2x32gig ram sticks so that's fine

[potent portal]

Not corsair I hope

[hardy remnant]

nope

[potent portal]

Great, should turn out fantastic for you then

[hardy remnant]

should be iirc g.skill ripjaws

[potent portal]

Always a solid option

Best warranty in the business

[hardy remnant]

well i got my first build picked by felix here so i sure do hope it is

yeah I heard that ram was finicky, i just hope everything works fine

[potent portal]

There was an issue with early samples of the ripjaws where they needed just sliiiightly more voltage to run expo, but I haven't seen that happen often as of late

[hardy remnant]

I've never really checked it tbh

[cyan ravine]

Sounds like a cpu issue

[hardy remnant]

intel

bought it a few months before the instability issue came to light, great timing really

[cyan ravine]

Sorry I'm in the middle of Christmas dinner lmao

I wrote that on reflex

I meant to say program not cpu

[hardy remnant]

oh lol

yeah, I am not a fan and redshift is much superior to it but I've had other issues with the chip apart from it, which is why I'm switching now

[cyan ravine]

Painge

If you can rma for a genuine issue I would tho

5 year warranty since you bought it early enough

Lowkey a really nice thing since issues tend to appear after 2 often in my experience

[brittle tinsel]

Im cleaning a pc and I cant figure out what kind of cpu cooler this is to get it off.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544632667979907082/1321622934531608638/IMG_9628.jpg?ex=676de8c6&is=676c9746&hm=8038888abc78ded72d06773c4357d6dde1dfcf426fae02a85516fba9f1c692e3&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544632667979907082/1321622934116237312/IMG_9627.jpg?ex=676de8c6&is=676c9746&hm=dff8ca8f548daab1e801b3c8dc20c14183eaf38b05ae2ee848dc51862eb76a0e&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544632667979907082/1321622933713588285/IMG_9626.jpg?ex=676de8c5&is=676c9745&hm=aeb46cf956b7210e09bbf562a8abe3d48f6be65dbec9c6fe78ce921d1c2e072c&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544632667979907082/1321622933210140713/IMG_9624.jpg?ex=676de8c5&is=676c9745&hm=60f5160907fc4ed35e0ff3710604569281c8d8937388e960fabf3593aa97f681&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/544632667979907082/1321622932669202442/IMG_9623.jpg?ex=676de8c5&is=676c9745&hm=5ef9913c2c945f6fb89d586964aa15957225a5a13d76afb45726ef895e6b385e&

Any idea what this thing is, so that I can get it off?

This little metal tab seems to be on the top and bottom

[languid nimbus]

any clue what cpu you have

[brittle tinsel]

In the picture of his system specs on windows it says i5 4590S

I havent really messed with it a whole lot because if I mess his system up I gotta replace it out of pocket and I cant really afford that right now

hopefully if I figure it out I can safely get it off.

for reference, He said it is a prebuilt pc he got on finance

[brittle tinsel]

The tab is only on the bottom. not sure what I thought I was looking at on the top.

[potent portal]

Good luck with that. The way you get that off is just twist the push pins and yank. They break frequently, even before age made the plastic brittle. One of the worst designed cooler mounts ever.

You push it in and twist it back the other way to lock it back in.

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah, it broke. Ill put an order in for another one tomorrow.

[manic cloak]

Is VR more CPU or GPU heavy usually?

[potent portal]

Depends, what resolution, settings, game, headset

Going off of what's popular we'll say it's a quest 2, which is reasonably high resolution. Most games would need more GPU power for that, especially in higher detail games.

Nvidia is still slightly preferred over AMD for VR

As long as it's a GPU with enough VRAM

[manic cloak]

probably 1080p/2k, likely high, asseto corsa, oculus 3

i'm just building for a friend under 1000$

[potent portal]

I'd go for something more balanced then

[cyan ravine]

Assetto or racing sim is instant x3d

Like any tier

X3D is just destructively fast there

[potent portal]

Even if that means going AM4 to fit the budget?

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

L3 cache = big boost cos sim physics is intensive

MSFS 2024 I think also shows this

[manic cloak]

Ya my friend has a 2k monitor

I was thinking smth with a 4070 atleast

[cyan ravine]

So x3d bias, then a reasonable gpu of any caliber

[manic cloak]

i'll work my magic on sales

[cyan ravine]

For 1440p

Minimum 6700xt

[manic cloak]

minimum on CPUs?

[cyan ravine]

/7700xt

[potent portal]

I wonder how the B580 does in VR

[cyan ravine]

Minimum any x3d

[cyan ravine]

It's not on their roadmap, don't

[potent portal]

yikes lol

ig it is a small % of a small %

[potent portal]

Maybe something like this then https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HFnpBq

[cyan ravine]

On top of that btw, VR can be extremely intensive on ACC

Regardless of gpu type

So word of warning it might not work straight up

But radeon vs geforce doesn't matter

Nvidia is a little better in frametime variance but nothing you'll notice if the game is supported officially

[potent portal]

If that's the case then the 7700 XT is viable https://pcpartpicker.com/product/97kH99/xfx-speedster-swft-210-core-radeon-rx-7700-xt-12-gb-video-card-rx-77tswftfp

[cyan ravine]

Yea a lot of my sim buddies run radeon

[steady field]

hello, so im building a pc and got stuck on the part where i install windows 11, i get a screen saying "install driver to show hardware" but im not sure which drivers to install or what to do to continue, these are my specs in case needed
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pXPHVW

[potent portal]

Turn off Intel Rapid Storage in the BIOS

[steady field]

you mean "Enable VMD controller"?

[potent portal]

no

[steady field]

well i dont see anything called like that

just RAID configuration

[potent portal]

Hmm maybe they did rename it then

It is considered a RAID setting

[steady field]

google says thats what its called, but yeah if you wonder its turned off

[potent portal]

Yeah looks like MSI did rename it to VMD for whatever reason so disable that

Everyone else calls it RST, even MSI did up until last gen

[steady field]

this is so stressful, im never building these againg

[manic cloak]

Anyone wanna help me out look at PSUs by sama?

cause these might be good deals

https://www.newegg.com/sama-xf-series-xf850w-850-w/p/1HU-02S6-00030?Item=9SIB41TJT33771

XF is a B tier

https://www.newegg.com/sama-xp-series-xp1000w-1000-w/p/1HU-02S6-00039 https://www.newegg.com/sama-xp-series-xp1000w-white-1000-w/p/1HU-02S6-00043?Item=9SIB41TK2S5065

But this is their XP version, no clue if it's B tier or worse

It seems better than the XF, with a pdf like this from reddit on it's XPH model? https://www.clearesult.com/80plus/sites/80plus/files/manufacturer-certificate/SAMA _XPH1000-A _1000W_SOCE 6991_Report.pdf

[manic cloak]

Never building in that archon case ever again btw

That is metal dogcrap

I have never seen more of a poorly put together PC case, I had to build in one april of 2023 for another friend

[manic cloak]

Ik you said any x3d, but how much of an impact would it be using a 7500f/7600x/9600x and 7700x?

[manic cloak]

This is the best list I got, and my friend doesn’t even want white 😭

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CVg34p

I’m ngl, if I could somehow find a x3d chip for dirt cheap, or even an am5 processor for VR, I can just pair it up with an open box microcenter b650 eagle ax 2 priced at 76$.

Even with intel, their z790 open box prime boards are like 62$, the WiFi 7 one is like 75$. If 13600k dropped down, I think that wouldn’t be too bad of a sub for the x3d although their cache is heavily superior.

[cyan ravine]

Enormous

Go look up any ACC benchmark for 7800X3D/7950X3D and you'll know what I mean

[manic cloak]

Ya that’s pretty big

Thing is I don’t want him to be rocking am4, although cheaper just “dead” gen.

[cyan ravine]

No idea on the psu, apart from that, change ssd to klevv c910

The rest is fine

[manic cloak]

B tiered PSU

In speculative

[cyan ravine]

Speculative is assumed

I would opt elsewhere

That list gets a lot of things wrong lately

[manic cloak]

Imo if that XP version was still in stock I would of done that

[cyan ravine]

Lemme look

[manic cloak]

It seems like the higher quality they have, just from my little research above but otherwise Corsair has B stock 750e’s for 80$ I think

[cyan ravine]

Get that

Solid
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BZDwgn

[manic cloak]

70*

[cyan ravine]

Even better

That's close enough to $1000

You can't be perfect

If someone complains about $10 then slap em

Lol

I can't stay and chat but that's my 2 cents, I'd trust a known good unit over assumptions

[manic cloak]

Mhm, but would it be better if we went with 7600x3d and a 7700xt?

I don’t know if that can fit in the budget

[cyan ravine]

Potentially yes if you can fit it

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XMXfyW

[cyan ravine]

But that's assetto specifically

[manic cloak]

Ya he’s going for other VR games too, he’ll likely be playing more racing games

Considering he has a wheel too

But 100% something like phasmophobia VR, that’s the only “VR” game I really know aside from rec room.

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/srXfyW

It kinda works

I'd go either way here, but I lean towards a newer motherboard platform

Anyway I gotta go lad, those are two good lists

You're getting better

[manic cloak]

Well this is microcenter bundling, can’t really do much about it sadly

But ill see if any more deals appear on my end atleast, I know the 750e has gone as low as 50$ but thats probably not going to happen ever lol

Also microcenter has started “pre installing” their CPUs into the board which I have 0 clue what that does for a builder

But microcenter is willing to upgrade only their 7950x3d bundles motherboard for an extra 100$ to a x870e aorus elite.

Well actually.

This is a VERY far reach, but 25$ off coupon + if they still do “price match” with hardware swapping, especially on open box items, there’s either a $174.96 x870-P Prime WiFi, or a Gigabyte x870 Gaming WiFi 6 for 139.96. The 7600x3d bundle comes with a 180$ motherboard, so swap it down accordingly, and I perfectly fit in the budget while also adding a better model 7700xt https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JWLygn

Or I can even go with the white as rock at the same price and match the build color.

[dawn iron]

how am i supposed to go about removing and replacing my ssd

[stoic island]

looks like you have a rotating tab, rotate that out of the way and it should just come out

[dawn iron]

its still in the way no matter how i rotate it

[stoic island]

Does this come off at all?

[dawn iron]

when i twist they both twist together

it is stuck to it

[dusky hearth]

looks like the type to be pulled out completely, since the thing doesnt appear to have a notch for releasing the ssd

[weary galleon]

Either that or the rectangular piece is meant to breakaway part of the clip and leave it as a half circle

Probably best to try removing the whole thing first though

Or checking the mobo manual

[dawn iron]

it came up

had to pull hard as hell tho

what does it mean when it says reboot and select a proper boot device

[stray dome]

New and looking to build my first pc by myself. Was told this is the place for information and guidance

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Derple/saved/#view=BRXfhM

Am I on the right path?

[dawn iron]

only happens with the new ssd

[stoic island]

Windows isn't installed on the new ssd

It can't boot to a SSD with nothing on it

[manic cloak]

Certainly but a bit pricey and some things can change. What’s your budget price, what do you exactly plan on doing with your pc, what color PC (black, white, etc) and do you want RGB? Do you know what screen/monitor resolution you’re playing at? (1080p is performance>quality, 1440p is a mix of both but quality>performance, 4k is 4k)

Also some things, do you want a big or small pc case? Just dependent on desk size.

[stray dome]

Not into flashy rgb. Black build. Have a 144hz 1440p 32" monitor.
Looking at something that will last for awhile. My current pc is from 2012 so don't upgrade often to ay the least.

[manic cloak]

Is there anything you can possibly scrap from your previous build?

Like I see you didn’t include a GPU

[stray dome]

The north xl case will accommodate the 420mm arctic aio

[manic cloak]

Possibly you have something that you bought within the last 2 years?

[manic cloak]

Do you have the 420mm AIO?

[stray dome]

My old pc has a 120mm aio lol. It was top of the line back in the day but she's gone as far as she can..

The 420mm is cheaper then the 360mm

The north xl can accommodate the 420mm. And size of case doesn't really matter to much. Just would be easier to build in

[dawn iron]

and how do i fix that

[manic cloak]

Well, I know you want something so future proof but I’d recommend a 360mm AIO or even a really good aircooler for the 7800x3d

[stray dome]

Current GPU is a 1050ti. That one got when my 79050xt died. Pandemic Made it the only option and it was stupid expensive for what it is.

[manic cloak]

Don’t get me wrong, 420mm is fine, seemingly a bit overkill in price and I don’t know if you’re gaming or doing something VR related?

Plus idk if you have a budget/how much you’re willing to spend?

[stray dome]

Main game is cs2 but would like to be able to play more intense games that my pc could never handle. Only reason for the 420mm is that it's cheaper then the 360mm

[manic cloak]

Mhm mhm, well there’s some AIOs other than arctic we can recommend

[stray dome]

$2500 maybe grabbing a GPU after the next gen launches to bring prices down

[manic cloak]

That might be awhile

[stray dome]

Gamers nexus had nothing bit good things to say about arctic...

[manic cloak]

Oh ya arctic is amazing

Quick question

I’m not from Canada so is there a Canadian ebay or is it just universal?

[stray dome]

There is a Canadian ebay.

Prices are horrible for us up here for pcs.

[manic cloak]

Try and see if arctic has an eBay page

[stray dome]

It's only $140 for the 420mm

[manic cloak]

Usually it can be cheaper, or they have B stock/refrubished

Oh

[stray dome]

Cheapest part of the build is the aio

The cpu is $629

[manic cloak]

Ya but you do have some overkill parts

Like storage & ram.

[stray dome]

Mother boards $316.

[manic cloak]

Plus you wouldn’t need a 1000w psu likely.

Motherboard we can find another that does exactly the same

[stray dome]

GPU I'm interested in is the 7900xtx. My old build has a 1000w psu.

[manic cloak]

Give me a minute, I’m like converting prices lol

[manic cloak]

Oh which psu is that?

[stray dome]

Copy that. Thank you for thenhelp

Corsair

[manic cloak]

You know which model?

[stray dome]

100w max something. Not sure of model name.

1000w

[manic cloak]

Hmm did you buy this in 2012 I assume?

[stray dome]

Bought it from a computer friend back in the day. It was a $4000 pc new

[stoic island]

You can fresh install windows or copy over everything from the last drive

[dawn iron]

how do i copy everything over if i have to take the other one out to put the new one in

[manic cloak]

@stray dome Sorry I had to do something, but how close is a canada computer electronic to you?

https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/amd-desktop-processors/267277/amd-r7-7800x3d-cpu-gigabyte-b650-eagle-ax-motherboard-t-force-32gb-d5-6000mhz-cl30-ram-bundlespecial.html

[stoic island]

Using an external enclosure or a different slot

[stray dome]

@manic cloak I was contemplating that deal actually.

[manic cloak]

https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/amd-desktop-processors/266334/amd-r7-9700x-cpu-msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi-motherboard-t-force-32gb-d5-6000mhz-cl30-ram-bundlespecial.html

you could also go for something like this, considering you're playing CS2, probably Rust, maybe Fortnite/COD, it'll do the same for cheaper. Atleast for now we can do that 7800x3d bundle and I can go from there, send you a list within 5 minutes and tell me if you approve or not

[stray dome]

@manic cloak I like the 7800x3d chip more.

[manic cloak]

this is just a random side note

but canada computers has some better bundle deals/prices than Microcenter when converting to USD 💀

[stray dome]

Canadian dollar is pretty sad right now.

[manic cloak]

I might make the 14 hour drive to the ontario/manitoba border

[manic cloak]

really sad

[stray dome]

@manic cloak 69 cents

@manic cloak cost of fuel /savings? That m7ch better?

[manic cloak]

honestly it'd be worth it cause I have friends up there

[stray dome]

@manic cloak bring a uhaul amd load up ! Lol

[manic cloak]

😭

Ya that same kit of ram with the 7800x3d bundle in the US is about 137 CAD

but it's only 109.99 in canada

[manic cloak]

https://www.amazon.ca/Thermalright-Peerless-Assassin-TL-C12C-S-Aluminium/dp/B0BN56SF7Y/ref=sr_1_5?

opinions? I have the same exact air cooler. Works fine for a 13600k or did you want AIO?

[stray dome]

I really like the arctic aio
Have alot of animals so hair everywhere

[manic cloak]

Actually nvm, just realized they charge outrageous shipping prices

[manic cloak]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/jDLwgn

Obviously the 7800x3d bundle will go back in stock, then for the air cooler option if you do go with it, extra work but just remove the corsair front fan, daisy chain the 3 thermal take fans, put the corsair fan on the front of the air cooler, use one of the rgb fans inbetween the cooler, then just turn off the RGB and you'll be fine.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HBMTYd

Otherwise for an extra 150ish CAD, you could get a clear display pc with your 420mm AIO, vertical GPU mount included case, and the PSU/cables will be behind the motherboard.

@stray dome ^

[manic cloak]

Also maybe in the next hour or so somebody will double check the list and possibly make a modification to it, not the greatest builder but hey atleast we managed to fit a GPU around the same price as this list

[stray dome]

@manic cloak a few of the items don't have a price. Is that because they are sold out

[manic cloak]

no, I put them at 0 so the price doesn't interfere with the modifications, like your CPU, motherboard, and ram? Since that's the bundle they charge the bundle price to the CPU instead of separately

The PSU and Case are a bundle on the air cooler list, and the air cooler price is wrong so I made a custom part of it at the correct price

Plus it would of had a red bar saying "WARNING" if I didn't put anything in the CPU slot for ya

[stray dome]

@manic cloak they have o e of those 7900x3d bundles left in surrey for pick up. Wo during of the deal will be available tomorrow online or if it's done.

[manic cloak]

Like this

[manic cloak]

7950x3d or 7900x3d?

Oooh you mean the 7800x3d

If you want to make the drive and pick it up, do it. I think the "delivery available" on CC is glitched

[manic cloak]

https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/mid-tower-cases/236902/corsair-4000d-airflow-w-pre-installed-rm850e-power-supply-black-cc-9011248-na.html

[stray dome]

@manic cloak not worth the drive though the mountains this time of year. I'll do some more research. Thank you for taking the time to help out I appreciate it

[manic cloak]

Ya anytime, i'd recommend creating a CC account, check like every 2 hours and see if the shipping system ever works.

[stray dome]

@manic cloak copy that.

[manic cloak]

I don't know if r/buildapc also posts about any restocks for CC but they might, but if you do need the pc built within the next week, month or whenever, just leave a message here

[stray dome]

@manic cloak sounds good. Thanks again

[crimson zinc]

@mossy venture are you available

[mossy venture]

What's up

[crimson zinc]

What is the best cpu+gpu combo for picture/video editing?

Or I guess just a solid build? No RGB needed, but it needs to be small

[mossy venture]

Budget?

[crimson zinc]

1.5k

[mossy venture]

How small

[crimson zinc]

Small enough to fit inside luggage

[mossy venture]

Z20 plus small, im01 small, fractal design ridge,

Hm

[crimson zinc]

0 gaming will be done

At all

[mossy venture]

Hmmm

Intel cpus with an igpu are best for video editing, but the 14700k would need a 280-360mm aio. 13700k/13600k/14600k/7950x/7900x would all be fine with an air cooler

64gb 6000c30, whatever itx board is good

2tb p41 at $125, whatever psu you know is good, 750-850w, 4070 super

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D7JgBq

The hard drive is what they already have

How’s that sound @mossy venture

[mossy venture]

Wrong p41, and you've got two 64gb kits of ram

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yGTp99/sk-hynix-platinum-p41-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-shpp41-2000gm-2

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MFvD4D/id-cooling-frozn-a620-pro-se-58-cfm-cpu-cooler-frozn-a620-pro-se

There's cheaper 750s/850s, but the rm750e is good

Oh there's a lot of cheap Sama psus on newegg recently

750-850w around $50-70

[manic cloak]

@crimson zinc

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/certified-refurbished/cp-9020262-na-rf/rme-series-rm750e-fully-modular-low-noise-atx-power-supply-refurbished-cp-9020262-na-rf

Don't make all of them go oos, yw

[manic cloak]

How hot does a 5800x3d run exactly? cause I just found a local one for 180$

[rain carbon]

It can be cooled with a standard heatsink

[manic cloak]

so no need for a ps120 or anything, smth like a 4-5 heatpipe single tower could cool under load?

[rain carbon]

On full load gets around 75 to 85c

[rain carbon]

You could use a stock cooler honestly

[manic cloak]

issue is the guy selling doesn't have it 😭

[rain carbon]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CJBZXVGY?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

If you hate rgb

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CNVMR478?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[weary galleon]

These are cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q6H7YJ/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-se-d3
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Js2WGX/thermalright-assassin-x-refined-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-refined-se-argb

Also cheaper, with 6 heatpipes
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sysV3C/thermalright-burst-assassin-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ba120-se-argb

Or do dual tower
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GpbRsY/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se

[rain carbon]

Better recommendations yeah lol

[weary galleon]

The other 2 ain't bad, and are slightly more asthetic with the blacked out finstack

[rain carbon]

I meant for budget

But yee its hard to go wrong with thermalright

[mossy venture]

exactly, just never buy thermalwrong

[manic cloak]

Agh well i'm stuck between having my friend be on a new gen or an old gen

I have access to the 7600x3d bundle, but he's stuck with a 7700xt, i'm building a 5800x3d and if I can find any good boards and cheap ram I could fit likely a 4070 super/7900 gre

OR I buy this 7900x for 250$ off of marketplace

[weary galleon]

Why build 5800x3d when you can get 7600x3d bundle?

[manic cloak]

VR setup, 1000$ budget for my friend

I get a 7600x3d, I also get a 7700xt.

If I get a 5800x3d, I can possibly get a 7900 GRE, or a 4070 super.

[weary galleon]

Oh I see, 2 different cpu/gpu combos

I don't think extra cores on the 7900x is necessarily worth for vr

Could you do the 7600x3d combo and then a used gpu? Or is the 7700xt part of the combo?

[manic cloak]

no it's your basic microcenter bundle, no good used GPUs in my area except for a 420$ speedster 7800xt

But the seller has been known to not show up so..

[weary galleon]

Could checkout ebay with shipping as well

[manic cloak]

true

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9zh28Q this is what the 5800x3d build is looking like rn

RAM I 100% can get, dude lives in my city, responded within seconds

[weary galleon]

Oh the 5800x3d is only 180

I see

[manic cloak]

processor? no clue yet

mhm

there is a 5700x3d on market place for 175$ with a free kit of 2x16 3200 cl16

[weary galleon]

I'd get that over the 5800x3d probably

[manic cloak]

No clue if the difference is trult noticeable though

[weary galleon]

There is the AliExpress option for a 5700x3d as well

[manic cloak]

Ehh I live near the microcenter

it's 180 brand new there

[weary galleon]

Yeah no coupons on Ali so it would be 150-165. The marketplace one with 32gb ram would be better

[manic cloak]

mhm

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bG2jHW

literally a motherboard and a gpu is missing

https://www.microcenter.com/product/685395/zotac-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-twin-edge-overclocked-dual-fan-12gb-gddr6-pcie-40-graphics-card

I could get this for 474.99

[weary galleon]

I don't know which mobos are good or not but assuming you get a b550 for $100, that leaves 520 for gpu

[manic cloak]

mhm, or if I find something at microcenter (which they usually do and don't have listed online)

it's like their open box stuff

or if I find a motherboard cheap on facebook

[weary galleon]

I think Nvidia might be a tad better for vr but AMD might still be the better pick depending on price

[manic cloak]

100% nivida is but with how expensive it is?

[weary galleon]

I guess (new) 7900gre is $540 rn which wouldn't fit in budget

[manic cloak]

well

hold on

[weary galleon]

$420 7800xt is pretty good as well

540 a little higher than I'd like for a gre tho. Used to be closer to 500

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4Dh28Q

I need a 25$ mobo and bam! :)

[vague oracle]

If you got a microcenter by you, the 5700x3d is on sale for around $160ish

[manic cloak]

179.99 but ya I do

[vague oracle]

Yeah that's sounds about right

[manic cloak]

I don’t think I’ll do the AM4 build though

[vague oracle]

I just bought one a few days ago lol

[manic cloak]

Ya it’s honestly a great priced CPU

[vague oracle]

What's the other option for a build?

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2gKn6Q

[vague oracle]

Yeah my 5900x finally went dead dead so went for something cheap to put into the system

Yeah AM5 is the better option for a new build

[manic cloak]

Issue is, 7600x3d is oos at my store, and the x870 is an open box willing to go any second

Ya that’s what I was thinking, hopefully he can spare an extra 20$ for a 7800xt (420$) on fbm 😭

[plucky timber]

7600X3D?

Eh?

I'd rather just spend the extra on a 7800X3D

$400 for a 6 core is really bad value

Or hell

5800X3D

Gonna lose on single core perf but 8 cores

I really wouldn't spend that much on a R5

Even if it's an X3D

It's so close to a 7800X3D in price it's not funny

Like $50 more

[weary galleon]

They have access to a microcenter bundle

But imo $175 for 5700x3d plus 32gb ram is the play for their $1000 budget

[plucky timber]

yeah I wouldn't spend R7 money on a R5

[manic cloak]

7800x3d bundle is 549.99

you might aswell either play one VR game or have crappest carry on luggage of a case

[manic cloak]

seller viewed my "hi, I am really interested in buying this within the next week or so, are you available to meet anywhere within the twin cities?"

and guess what, no message :)

[manic cloak]

ya.. 180$ 5800x3d on facebook, the listing was all in one, he said he can sell single parts, decided to hit me with "I want to sell it all" (mobo + ram) for 400$.

5700x3d 179.99 alone at microcenter or 169.99 on aliexpress

I could do that, but it's a "dead" gen.

Plus the 7600x3d is 300$ alone, 7800x3d 429-450 depending on what time of year it is

ORIGINALLY the 7800x3d bundle was 400$, but that was during the big nand or whatever, where 1 tb SSDs were like 25$ and ram was dirt cheap

[plucky timber]

I wouldn't even buy it new

For $180

[manic cloak]

wdym it isn't new? unless you mean the 5700x3d

[plucky timber]

5800

Cuz used for $180 is ridiculous when you can get a new 5700X3D

[cerulean plume]

what does it mean if my pc makes a loud sound for like 3 seconds then stops? first time it did that i think it was the fans

wasnt loud but louder than what it was

[cyan ravine]

That could mean anything

Loud sound like what loud sound

A clown horn?

Lol

Need much more detail

[cerulean plume]

nah i think it was fans tbh

[dusky hearth]

Me when I accidentally set the speakers to 100

[cyan ravine]

Pc jumpscare

[cerulean plume]

yea if it happens again

ill lyk

[cyan ravine]

Alr

[dusky hearth]

What kinda sound was kt

It

[cyan ravine]

But like knowing the sound would help

Lmfao

[dusky hearth]

Do you have any other descriptor other than "loud"

[cerulean plume]

it was like 1 fan just got really fast for some reason

[cyan ravine]

Like just stupid fast randomly?

[cerulean plume]

its like if I booted up a high demanding game

[dusky hearth]

Hmm

[cyan ravine]

Whiirrrrrr

?

[cerulean plume]

yea

[dusky hearth]

I wouldn't call that loud tbh lmfao

[cyan ravine]

Yeah that's probably nothing

Just some random program or load

[dusky hearth]

It probably was like the GPU spinning up for a sec or smth

[cerulean plume]

yea wasnt loud was just unexpected

[frigid night]

So, I reinstalled windows last week and haven't had any issues related to use, however I noticed that when I get up in the morning my PC has rebooted. Windows updates are turned off and everything related to sleep/hibernate are turned off as well. Today I noticed I had a WHEA error after booting up the PC. I have no OC on any of my hardware and this was a nonissue prior to reinstalling windows. Does anyone have some ideas as to what could be the cause? EventViewer doesn't have anything other than an unexpected shutdown error.

[cyan ravine]

Unstable settings

This includes stock

If windows can log a whea then something is unstable

[frigid night]

idk what though.

I've never had a whea error with this pc ever

[cyan ravine]

Couldn't give you specifics without specs

[frigid night]

and everything was fine before the reinstall.

[cyan ravine]

[manic cloak]

Is it possible that windows is just corrupted in general? I’m sure you’ve done the sfc /scannow

But if the issue has started to persist AFTER you reinstalled windows (for some reason? 😭) then it’s just likely a corrupt file?

[sonic coral]

where did build pics go?

[weary galleon]

One channel above this one

Might need to levelup to see it? Not sure

[manic cloak]

@weary galleon look at my luck.

[weary galleon]

That's lowkey scam level pricing, just take caution

[manic cloak]

Either fake or real, but ya I’m scam weary.

[crude phoenix]

Whats the best value pre built pc you can get for $800-$1k. Not for intensive gaming or anything just for work but don’t want a sh*tbox

[mossy venture]

Completely against building yourself?

[crude phoenix]

It’s for a friend, he wants a pre built

Just for work

[mossy venture]

Oh what type of work?

And I'm assuming he isn't gaming at all then?

A mini pc like this could be more than enough if he's not doing anything intensive
https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-PCIe3-0-SER5-Desktop-Computer/dp/B0BYJDFG5B/ref=mp_s_a_1_11_vs_ar?

[crude phoenix]

Light gaming, mostly for work

[mossy venture]

800-1000 for an office pc is just overkill

Could you ask him what type of games he'd be interested in?

This is refurb directly from lenovo, could use a ram and storage upgrade at some point if he's going to get into heavy ish gaming
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156404825193?

[crude phoenix]

Fortnite and call of duty

[mossy venture]

Alright so something like this could be fine, but spending more isn't a bad idea

Pre builts in that range are mostly mediocre value but I'm looking around atm, I'm watching my neice and nephew so it'll be a lil bit

Here's an option but it should be like $700
https://computers.woot.com/offers/msi-codex-r2-b14nuc5-212us-gaming-desktop

This is a bit better value https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883360556?tpk=1

[crude phoenix]

Sorry I should’ve clarified. $800–k cad

1k*

[mossy venture]

Ah

I'd definitely suggest building then

I'll be back in a bit, I gotta back them dinner

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qgXZJn

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/NLrL9C

[analog hearth]

@cyan ravine they've arrived. In terms of temps, they’re basically the Lian Li fans I’ve been using lol. I might go crazy and make this a push-pull setup since I have extra fans now lol

Or might just give some to by brother because he's suffering with the stock case fans he's had since it was my case

Also just realized I need to tuck that one cable below the middle fan 💀

[topaz rose]

im being indesisive with which ram kit i wanna get

[languid nimbus]

Not vengeance

[topaz rose]

[quartz wing]

my gpu wont go all the way into the mobo slot does anyone know what i should do

[elfin carbon]

Hi I’m trying to build a gaming pc, the main games I play are Fortnite, CoD, Marvel Rivals, and the occasional story game i dont want to overpay for a build that I will never get to fully use but I also would like to have a high fps that doesnt result in diminishing returns any help would be great

[plucky timber]

budget?

[elfin carbon]

2500

Not definite though

[plucky timber]

is it a ONLY gaming pc?

[elfin carbon]

Yeah and basic schoolwork and other tasks

[plucky timber]

since you mentioned diminishing returns I'd imagine you mean you prefer price/performance

over having the "best" parts

[elfin carbon]

Yeah like I don’t want to spend 300 bucks for like 5 fps

[plucky timber]

you sir

are the exact type of people we like

I'll whip a list up rq unless bacca swoops in

[elfin carbon]

Ok thanks sm

[plucky timber]

are you comfortable with aliexpress?

[elfin carbon]

Not rlly I want to build it myself

[plucky timber]

there are certain cpus that are way cheaper on aliexpress

[topaz rose]

ali is where you can buy sutff for cheaper cause china

[elfin carbon]

Oh I’m good with that

[plucky timber]

would you potentially upgrade the pc?