building-and-recc-chat

[plucky timber]

no

not yet

usually it does not matter

what does matter is that the usb drive will have to be formatted to FAT

[frigid sage]

its displaying the windows logo so looks like it found the boot drive

[plucky timber]

gg

[potent portal]

As long as it's FAT32 formatted it should work, but sometimes it can be picky about the drive and there's no rhyme or reason for it

[frigid sage]

now its "getting devices ready"

so plugging in the old drives isnt an issue at all then? like I could just take my old drives plug them into a dif computer and be fine?

[potent portal]

Generally speaking yes, but in some cases there's bugs moving from one socket to another, especially going between brands

[frigid sage]

interesting

I was worried id lose data / have to reinstall all my apps and stuff again

technically still a possibility but hopefully not

[plucky timber]

I reinstall windows at least once a year

...involuntarily

[potent portal]

If you were moving to AM5 I would have recommended that you install fresh since there's a well documented bug that kills your CPU performance

[plucky timber]

me and windows does not get along

[frigid sage]

we up

now a bunch of things are popping up saying they dont know where the application is or stuff which makes sense bc my other 2 drives arent connected

[potent portal]

Windows 10?

[frigid sage]

ye

[potent portal]

Yeah those errors will be for missing drives

[frigid sage]

im so glad I dont have to reinstall some of these apps

thanks for your help

[plucky timber]

you might also want to reassing the drive letters

when they're plugged back in

[potent portal]

Install this so it knows how to use the new hardware right https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/amd_chipset_software_6.07.22.037.exe

[plucky timber]

they might be autoassigned the wrong letters

[frigid sage]

what is that even

[frigid sage]

wdym

[plucky timber]

windows will auto assign the drive letters

[potent portal]

The driver for the chipset, it's part of how the OS communicates with the motherboard

[frigid sage]

oh I see

[potent portal]

The chipset driver is also responsible for power management in some cases

[frigid sage]

if that happens its fine i can tell which drive is which

[frigid sage]

should I install that now

or put in my other drives first

[potent portal]

Either way

[frigid sage]

the new cpu is a 5600x

the gpu is a 970 lol

[plucky timber]

🤨

interesting hardware choice

[frigid sage]

So ill prob keep an eye out for newer gpu

[plucky timber]

well one thing's for sure

any upgrade you get will be massive

do you have a budget in mind?

[frigid sage]

you shouldve seen my old cpu, it was the fx 8320

[plucky timber]

NO

AHHAHAHA

HAHAHA

[frigid sage]

na dont diss the fx 8320 and 970 combo

I got so much out of this pc its crazy

[plucky timber]

massive upgrade

[frigid sage]

You know whats funny

[plucky timber]

FX is uhh

it wasn't good value at the time

even worse now

i5-2500K beats every single FX cpu in performance

[frigid sage]

im assuming you guys know who Linus tech tips is

well one of his rog rig reboots winners gave away his pc in a minecraft competition

thats the pc that I had, won it from him, if it didnt break I legit wouldnt have even upgraded

[plucky timber]

I can not and will not resist a good bulldozer slander

[plucky timber]

wait legit?

[frigid sage]

ye

I can find the video

this was a couple years ago

[plucky timber]

what games do you play?

[frigid sage]

I play a game called ark

ark survival

[plucky timber]

oh

[frigid sage]

my fps is horrendus in it

[plucky timber]

you DEFINITELY want a better cpu

[frigid sage]

but it gets the job done

[plucky timber]

that game is VERY unoptimised

that 5600x would be a huge upgrade

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4RrRsY/xfx-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-speedster-qick-319-core-video-card-rx-675xyjfdp
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N9xRsY/xfx-speedster-merc-310-black-edition-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx-79tmercb9

here's 2 bang for the buck gpus if you're interested

probably too expensive atm

since you just did an entire platform upgrade

the 7900XT is pretty interesting

[frigid sage]

https://youtu.be/Y2LRYWDC6j0?si=6WVczdf1Afbh74NV

at the end of the video you see he says he'll give it away, he ended up holding a minecraft competition and my friend and I decided to play it instead of going on hypixel and we won

[plucky timber]

closest GPU to the 7900XT is a 4070 TI super or RTX 4080

all 700+ gpus

[frigid sage]

I spent 550 total on everything

cad

I saw a couple decent deals on marketplace and such

like 375$ for a 6800

[plucky timber]

ohh that's not bad

[frigid sage]

but I havent jumped on them, simply bc I havent had the time, I finished my finals today

so my first step was to get pc running

[plucky timber]

oh congrats

[potent portal]

Stay with me one this one... Intel Arc B580. They're currently the best budget GPU overall if you can get one at MSRP of $250.

[plucky timber]

they're out?

[frigid sage]

thanks lol

[potent portal]

As of yesterday (2 days?)

[frigid sage]

I saw that gpu

[plucky timber]

👀

[frigid sage]

but how does it to compare

to other things

[plucky timber]

finally some real mid range competition

[indigo kindle]

How do i know when qflash is done? Qflash button stopped flashing but psu is still on and computer running very quietly

[plucky timber]

in the mid range it's really good for the price

[potent portal]

It beats the Nvidia 4060 and easily beats the AMD 7600, both of which cost more

[frigid sage]

like on that graph

where would it be kind of thing

[potent portal]

Between the 4060 and 4060 ti

[frigid sage]

another question tho

ive heard from other ppl that for certain games certain brands are better

is that true

[plucky timber]

yes

gaming is a case by case basis

[potent portal]

Yes, for example most CoD games love AMD GPUs

[indigo kindle]

Hey guys has anyone seen my message?

[potent portal]

When it stops flashing it's done

[indigo kindle]

Ok then i should restart pc?

[potent portal]

You can turn it off and on again

[frigid sage]

is there a way to know or not really

[plucky timber]

you will have to find a specific benchmark for a game

[indigo kindle]

Still dram led and not displaying

[plucky timber]

I'd rely more on general performance

a lot less annoying

and besides

a lot of times radeons are so much cheaper

[potent portal]

Give it a few minutes to train the memory

5-10

[indigo kindle]

Ok

[plucky timber]

you'd be saving a a couple hundred dollars for not that much performance loss

or even a performance gain depending on the game

or...

it's the 7900XT and literally nothing can match it at $700

there's the weaker 4070 TI Super at $799 and the stronger 4080 super at $1000

are RTX 4080 cards out of stock?

[potent portal]

yes

[plucky timber]

damn

[potent portal]

They stopped production on them a couple months ago so holiday season demand means the stock is gone

[plucky timber]

I wonder if the 7900XTs are gonna go out of stock

surely $699 isn't gonna stick around

[potent portal]

This is the time of year and point in the cycles where AMD often does deep discounts to clear shelf space for the new gen

[plucky timber]

you mean even cheaper 7900XTs?

[potent portal]

Remember the 6950 XT at $500?

[frigid sage]

dont think I would even need anything that high, if I found it for a good deal then maybe

also im in canada so everythings more expensive anyway

[plucky timber]

they are a good deal

$699 is really good

especially when its closest competitor is at $1000

[frigid sage]

thats usd tho right

[potent portal]

yes

[frigid sage]

I think ill scout marketplaec, craiglist etc and try to find someone selling their gpu when they go to upgrade

[plucky timber]

I'd suggest older gpus

like 2080s or 3080s

5700XT

they go for quite cheap

[frigid sage]

5700xts ive found for cheap

[potent portal]

Don't go lower than a 2060, new games are starting to require hardware for ray tracing

[frigid sage]

2080s go for 200 something

[potent portal]

5700 XT wouldn't work in those

[frigid sage]

ill aim above this then

[potent portal]

RX 6600 is the lowest I'd go

/2060

[frigid sage]

well thanks for both of your help

im gonna put everything in the case

and hopefully it all still works

[plucky timber]

is RT performance going to be good on newer games tho

on a 2060

[potent portal]

No but it's the most basic RT so it doesn't need to be

[indigo kindle]

@potent portal still nothing. Computer Running on low and red dram led

[plucky timber]

ah

so it's not intensive RT

just more basic RT integrated into the regular graphic settings

[potent portal]

Try the flash again, sometimes it takes a few tries

[plucky timber]

what if the ram's just not seated right

[potent portal]

Not on the lower settings at least

[plucky timber]

ah

[potent portal]

That could be but the BIOS definitely needed to be updated for the 9800X3D

[plucky timber]

oh

9800X3D

I missed that part

[indigo kindle]

Ok 2 things. 1. I had to put it on the usb drive from a mac. 2. How do i know if qflash was successful?

@potent portal

[potent portal]

When the light started flashing did it start slow, then flash faster, then turn off?

[indigo kindle]

Yes

But the pc stays running

[potent portal]

Yes that part is normal, the BIOS programmer doesn't know how to turn off the board

If it's still not working after you restart and give it some time again, it's time to move to troubleshooting the memory

[indigo kindle]

Ok. Ive reseated the ram in every channel and tried solo’ing each stick too

[potent portal]

Have you tried that after flashing or was that before

[indigo kindle]

Before

[potent portal]

If the flash worked then that would solve the first part of the issue, try one stick in the 4th slot now and make sure it's clicked in on both sides

[indigo kindle]

Ok will do

Just one stick in the 4th slot and power up the pc?

[potent portal]

yes

If that doesn't work then the next thing is to remount the CPU cooler, since bad pressure distribution can cause the memory to drop out

[indigo kindle]

No luck

I did remount the cpu cooler before flash

[potent portal]

Well unfortunately the next step (and one of the last) is to try a different CPU that's known to be working and compatible

[indigo kindle]

Only have an am4 cpu in another pc. Wont work right?

[potent portal]

Correct

[indigo kindle]

Im in a special kind of he11

[potent portal]

Hmm, one thing I forgot is to try with just the minimum things connected to the motherboard. CPU, memory, keyboard, and display (to the motherboard), nothing else. The CPU has an iGPU on it.

[indigo kindle]

Ok

Cpu cooler too?

And storage?

[potent portal]

Cooler can stay, storage comes out

[indigo kindle]

Ok

Case fans?

Keep one stick of ram in chan 4 or go back to 2/4

[potent portal]

I'd pull the plug on those too

Could do one stick in slot 2 to help rule things out

[indigo kindle]

No luck

Essentially what it could be is: faulty ram, faulty mobo, or faulty cpu?

[potent portal]

Mobo or CPU seems likely, unless the RAM is so bad it should have never passed QC

[indigo kindle]

Ugh

Just sniped the 9800x3d and its prob faulty

Sad

[potent portal]

It's also possible that the flash programmer failed in some way and loading up a 7000 series CPU would let you flash normally

[indigo kindle]

So what do u think i should do?

[potent portal]

Up to you. Options are:
Take it a shop, microcenter is known to help with this if near one
Borrow a 7000 CPU from a friend
Buy a 7000 CPU and return it later

The nuclear option is also available, RMA both the CPU and mobo

[indigo kindle]

Ugh

[frigid sage]

I have an additional fan I can put on the floor of my case, should I?

and should I put it to push or pull air, same goes for pwersupply, fan up or down?

more likely than not ill prob put the pc on a piece of wood on my carpet

[plucky timber]

Might as well

[frigid sage]

which direction then

[plucky timber]

Depends on your current fan configuration

[potent portal]

It also depends on what case you have and if your GPU is vertical or horizontal mounted

[indigo kindle]

Hey @potent portal thanks a lot for ur help. One last thing- for moving forward should i buy a new motherboard or cpu or both?

[potent portal]

If we're playing the odds, the motherboard is far more likely to be the problem. CPUs go through pretty rigorous testing from the factory and they have low RMA rates compared to everything else.

I have seen what we assumed was a bad memory controller once before, I don't think I heard if that one was resolved

[indigo kindle]

Great. Thanks a lot. Just purchased an msi 650 board for pickup tomorrow. Thanks so much for the help!

[potent portal]

No problem, I wish it was resolved today but them's the breaks

[frigid sage]

Anyone know what this cable is

The yellow red black are my fans

[potent portal]

Fan daisy chain

[frigid sage]

So where's that fans power then

[potent portal]

The other side of the chain, that's left open if you want to add another 3 pin fan to the chain

[frigid sage]

They end up all daisy chained connected to a wire that goes up to the top of the case

[stoic island]

Sounds like the case itself has a fan hub that's powered by other means, usually sata

[frigid sage]

I cant seem to find it, but might have unplugged it thinking it was part of the mobo

the old mobo

but if its going to a hub at the top, then ik I ddint unplug anything up there

[frigid sage]

gpu is horizontol

case is nzxt phantom 410

currently have 2 fans pulling air in at the front, and another on the side pulling air in

then 2 fans at the top blowing out and 1 at the back

itd make most sense for the bottom to be pull bu I feel like itll just bring dust in

[plucky timber]

my condolences

[frigid sage]

lol is the case that bad too

[potent portal]

It's from 2011 so it won't have the modern creature comforts like improved cable management and less restrictive airflow

[plucky timber]

Yeah those 5.25" bays can limit airflow

I wonder if it's still got better airflow than the H510

[potent portal]

It was decently rated 13 years ago

[potent portal]

It couldn't possibly be worse since there's actually openings to suck air in

[plucky timber]

980TI only had 250w tdp

Crazy

[potent portal]

Back to the original question, I'd leave the bottom fan off unless you're having GPU temp issues, and if you are then have it intake.
The PSU should always get fresh air from outside when possible, which would be fan down in this case.

[mossy venture]

It wouldn't be crazy to put a 1080 ti on a 550w honestly

Then we had 3080 tripping good 750s lol

[potent portal]

My 3080 ti tripped my RM850x multiple times before driver updates tamed the spikes

[plucky timber]

Power creep

[potent portal]

More like power leap

[plucky timber]

I honestly hate how pcs are on the edge of tripping breakers now

[potent portal]

5090 is rumored to be even higher power too

[plucky timber]

And would probably melt your case

[potent portal]

I don't think a 5090 would even fit that old case

Those drive bays on the front could be removed with some power tools

[plucky timber]

I actually like those retro cases

They're good for nas builds

[frigid sage]

What's the 8 pins on this hardrive?

The long skinny plug is the power that im gonna daisy chain to my 2 sata ssds, then there's an sata cable but what's the 8pin

[potent portal]

Jumpers, not used in modern systems

[frigid sage]

I see, thanks

[analog hearth]

What's the point of jumpers on modern hard drives?

They're just kinda there lol

[potent portal]

I haven't used one since PATA personally

[analog hearth]

That's when you needed them lol

[frigid sage]

umm

[analog hearth]

good job. great photo

[frigid sage]

mb

there

I dont think my case alignes with the mobo...

the gpu doesnt have anywhere to go

[potent portal]

You can take off the top PCIe slot cover on the back of the case

[frigid sage]

I feel like it looks a bit high still

[potent portal]

It's not

[analog hearth]

it's perfectly fine wym

[potent portal]

trust

[frigid sage]

nvm im just tripping

I thought the hdmi vga etc were centralized across the actual slot of the gpu

think im finally done?

so the fans dont turn on

seems to work otherwise

so someone said there would likely be a sata connection to a fanhub in the case

would that look like a normal sata cable like the ones I have plugged into the drives

and where would that plug into the case and the mobo

[analog hearth]

what's the motherboard?

[frigid sage]

b550M pro4

case is phantom 410

m.2 doesnt show up as a new drive on file explorer either

[analog hearth]

I only see your CPU fan plugged in

[frigid sage]

the only other cables I could even see were:

fan cables daisy cabled into eachother that led somewhere to the top of the case

then some weird looking big cable that had like 3 prongs

couldve been something I unplugged from earlier from my old mobo

[potent portal]

Open disk management and it'll prompt for a partition table type, keep it on the default GPT. Then find the "unallocated" space on the new drive, right click, new simple volume, use the defaults to use the whole drive. You can add a label if you like.

[frigid sage]

got my fans to work

didnt connect the molex 4 big round pin things bc didnt know what they were

so now I will:

Do the disk mangament to get my m.2 registered
Do that .exe falcie sent earlier for the cpu

is there anything else I need to do, any drivers or anything

so far everything looks as is but my second monitor looks more contrasty, idk if thats just bc I havent used it for so long or what

[weary galleon]

If you haven't I'd download either the Nvidia app or AMD Adrenalin app for gpu drivers

[frigid sage]

I have geforce

is that the same

[weary galleon]

Just an older version, new Nvidia app combines GFEX and the Nvidia control panel

[frigid sage]

The link falcie sent didnt work cuz it says it has to come from amd but I think I downloaded the right one from their website

is this the right thing

[frigid sage]

I see, I think im gonna see if I can find a new gpu soon, but if I dont then ill prob end up downloading that

also this is downloading the driver, but does it matter where I download it performance wise or anything

I just downlaoded it where it initally said

is a 60-70°C cpu normal or na

I have 1 google tab open and discord

[weary galleon]

Maybe a tad high but not bad for the cpu or anything

[frigid sage]

its a stock cooler

so thats prob why

[weary galleon]

Yeah. Could also be there's some stuff going on in the background, windows updates/indexing/etc

[potent portal]

No that's for overclocking, what you want is the B550 chipset driver

[frigid sage]

lol

is this under the drivers page

[potent portal]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/chipsets/am4/b550.html

[frigid sage]

do I need the bottom 2 or na

or the newer version of the bottom 2

[potent portal]

Just the top one

The other ones are a special storage driver that you'll probably never have a need for because there's better solutions available

[frigid sage]

It wants to install all those should I say yes

[potent portal]

Leave them all checked, it'll install only what it needs

[frigid sage]

Cool

I dont want some random bloatware lol

so far I opened the game I play and it opened significantly faster

its not even on the m.2

Restarted my pc, I think its good now?

Well Id like to thank you all for your help, lots of ppl helped from literally A-Z, from trying to fix my old components to then helping me pick out upgrades to then helping me when I'm building it

Like Falcie, Stevie, motor, Bacca, 343, an australian guy, boeing, bunch of others, so thank you all for your help

[plucky timber]

60-70c is perfect normal for a Ryzen

They idle pretty high

As long as it doesn't throttle at full load it's fine

[frigid sage]

I see

I'll prob move my OS to the m.2, just bc I want to free up space on my original boot drive

then I think Im officially done with the upgrade

One issue I am having rn is that sound is coming out of my monitor no matter what I do

I have it set to my headphones

actually thats just my game for some reason

prob a steam thing

[plucky timber]

I'd probably just fresh install windows on the new os drive

Will work better considering how buggy windows is

Windows might be acting up right now because of the hardware change

[frigid sage]

randomly my whole desktop flashes

like the icons

so it might be tbh

If I do a fresh windows install, would my other harddrives/ssds be affected

[tawdry crow]

Can someone provide me the best gaming PC pre-made build for my budget of around 2k dollars? I know nothing about PCs as i been a console player all the time but i got the savings for it now

Unnecessary specifixs dont really matter to me (for exp the pcs color)

[potent portal]

Nope, and you can do it the easy way and do a PC reset from settings

[frigid sage]

Is there a guide or video online that you could show me

Or if you know the steps

[potent portal]

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/reset-your-pc-0ef73740-b927-549b-b7c9-e6f2b48d275e

[plucky timber]

ehh

doesn't that keep the config from the last system tho?

[potent portal]

It deletes the old windows folder, which includes all the important stuff like the registry

The config it keeps will just be what's saved in your MS account

[plucky timber]

oh that would probably work then

[potent portal]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883360506C

14700F, 4080 super, 32GB RAM... that's a really good PC, almost the best you can get without building it yourself

[potent portal]

For giggles I threw together a list with comparable parts and it turned out more expensive than that https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ftr3Zc

[snow loom]

yo wsp

guys i have a budget of 1200 $

what specs to buy ?

[analog hearth]

With that budget, maybe a 7600X minimum, 32GB of RAM, and whatever Radeon GPU

[snow loom]

oh hell nah

[analog hearth]

I'm not wrong

[snow loom]

ik

but u told me ur not the one dealing of this

[analog hearth]

yeah you were just asking in the wrong channel

#general-chat is slander zone for me

[snow loom]

what do u think of the gpu and other stuff

[analog hearth]

we get "I need help" in #general-chat quite often and sometimes that help discussion floods the whole chat throughout the whole day

[snow loom]

ohhhh

[analog hearth]

maybe 7700 XT or 7800 XT? Idk though I haven't checked prices that often

[snow loom]

can it be a nividia one?

what is better in ur opinion

[analog hearth]

I personally would do a 4070 Super at minimum but that's already like half of your budget

[snow loom]

yea

[analog hearth]

Maybe a 4070 because I think that and the Super are marginal in performance, if you wanted to save money

[snow loom]

what about the cpu

and u think 1tb is enough ?

[analog hearth]

I would go with a Ryzen 7600X at the minimum

1TB is enough to start with. For me personally, I have a total of 4TB and I feel like I'm running out of space. But I've had this build for a couple of years

Idk what you have saved up but I would go 2TB if you can

[snow loom]

yea but i want my pc for gaming and at the same time designing

[snow loom]

nah i can’t it’s going to be out of my budget

[analog hearth]

I would say just start with 1TB and then upgrade that later. You can budget for a better CPU and maybe a better GPU if you shop around by cheaping out on just a 1TB for now

[snow loom]

alr

the cpu can be a ryzen 7 or a 5

[analog hearth]

yeah Ryzen 5 is the least I would go

idek if they still make Ryzen 3 CPUs lol

[snow loom]

💀

what about the case aio

[analog hearth]

I feel like the 7600 is the lowest Ryzen 5 by now lol. We used to have a X400 and idek if they still make those (within Ryzen 5)

[snow loom]

and the case it’s self

[analog hearth]

AIO will be more of a @gleaming kernel question. Probably same for case

You can generally stick with any Montech case imo. And then get whatever AIO fits in that. Definitely lookup the reviews of the AIO though

[dusky hearth]

Not that Felix

[snow loom]

alr ty

[analog hearth]

I thought it said "Fluelix" or whatever his name is 💀

[dusky hearth]

@cyan ravine

[analog hearth]

@cyan ravine

yeah

crap

[snow loom]

if i got anything i am going to message u on dm

[analog hearth]

double ping 💀

[dusky hearth]

[analog hearth]

Sorry Felix 💀

[dusky hearth]

☠️

[snow loom]

just accept the friend rq

[analog hearth]

I already denied it lol

send it again

[cerulean plume]

How can ib

aactivate windows without the 140 fee

[dusky hearth]

you dont have to activate windows, you could use it without activation

[cerulean plume]

yea but I wanna change my wallpapers 😂

[swift comet]

Hello everyone. I'm building a new Gaming Gen 5 PC. Hoping to receive some feedbacks on compatibility or improvements. https://newegg.io/60243eb

Note: GPU will be RTX 5000's / PSU is the 2024 Version / OS Storage will be Sabrent Rocket 5 1TB.

Also I'm aware of limitation of having Dual channel CPU for my 4 sticks of RAM. I'm hoping to at least run it at 6000Mhz with CL30.

[mossy venture]

Gl with that one chief

[swift comet]

Thank U, hoping with all the Premium Hardware it would help. I've seen YouTube Videos achieve it so I'm optimistic with the Dominator Titanium's.

[analog hearth]

Man wtf

This guy is new to PCs fr

Doesn't even add the GPU

[swift comet]

Current is 3090... tehee

[analog hearth]

I don't how you pick Corsair and don't even stop to think "man this is overpriced even without the GPU"

Investing in PCIe 5 rn is crazy work 😭

actually, forget the SSD. What's the purpose of spending so much on 32GB of memory?

This has to be irony wtf

[swift comet]

Reason is... Crypto blew up and I had $$$$ to splurge with

So I looked at the sexiest and strongest components I can buy

[analog hearth]

Gotcha. So you didn’t make the mistake I made when I was 12 I guess (that is, you invested into crypto while I was too poor to even get started)

By all means I guess go all out lol

I still personally wouldn't pick Corsair. If I had your money, it still wouldn't even be due to financial reasons. They don't make very good memory

[swift comet]

I just invested this month with $4K, turned into $21K so i was very suprised

[analog hearth]

Nuts

[swift comet]

Correction, within a month. So last Month

Anywyas. I chose Corsair because of Icue Link

[analog hearth]

Gotcha. So just matching it all together in one software?

[swift comet]

All my Hardware is Asus and Corsair. so thats the main reason

Yes Sir

[snow dragon]

What the hell is that ram price bruh

I understand you want to match everything but surely there has to be something better

[snow dragon]

Nvm guess it dont matter

Blud gonna have the baller setup

[mossy venture]

Icue is literally the worst

Like, THE WORST

Good luck with that

And 4x16 is worse than 2x32

Also overspending to the point you're getting worse quality in some areas

[haughty void]

the entire list is just nuts

spend more money on a motherboard than the cpu itself

then a 580$ storage drive

[mossy venture]

He can waste money if he wants, not our job to stop it lol

[swift comet]

I'm open to some suggestions and Yes I can agree Icue is horrible, but I'm an Asus Fanboy so Corsair was my only real option so I don't go Rainbow Puke

[swift comet]

If I'm unable to hit 6000 Mhz with all 4 then I'll return the other set and stick with the better set.

My Build is Aimed at Aesthetics with the highest performance I can achieve with Asus Core Components.

[tawny violet]

Just PRAY you will never, ever have to RMA anything in that PC

[swift comet]

Oh God.. i try not to think about it, but since I'm, sticking to 2 Manufacturers.. Won't be as bad as multiple ones.

[tawny violet]

Oh it will be
So, so much worse

You picked aSUS

They WILL shaft you every opportunity they can get

[swift comet]

I've had no problems with their Board and GPU so Asus for life till then

[tawny violet]

I didn't have any problems with one of their laptops for 8 years straight

So I bought a PC with their Mobo and it has been absolutely awful

Product >>>> brand loyalty

[swift comet]

I'm sorry to hear that

[stoic island]

some semi-recent controversy surround Asus and their RMAs for reference
https://youtu.be/7pMrssIrKcY

[tawny violet]

Yeah it's a whole thing

[swift comet]

Oh Great it was this year.... I'm still somewhat Optimistic, cause their Mobo's have good history

[tawny violet]

Of burning chips?

[stoic island]

They placed a mosfet backwards iirc a generation ago and burned quite a few boards

[tawny violet]

Because their BIOS was so awful they literally killed several X3D chips by carelessness

Their history is littered with components killed by incompetence

[stoic island]

Asus Z690 hero, a backwards capacitor burnt mosfets
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-z690-hero-failure-figured-out

Not that it's applicable to current generation products, but I would like to point out that their reputation is not crystal clear

[tawny violet]

Z690 Hero MOSFET fail, killing X3D chips by bad BIOS, RMA scams, overpricing so bad we just call it the aSUS tax where I live

[swift comet]

https://tenor.com/view/diekatzlei-die-katzlei-katzlei-rote-katze-red-cat-gif-18380691041858784246

[mossy venture]

Thats not how ram works

Both kits could individually hit 7200mhz, yet still not be stable at 6000mhz when running all four

[swift comet]

@mossy venture Let me rephrase then. My Goals is 6000mhz (Stable) with both Pairs.

Other than Asus brand, Icue being Horrible and my somewhat optimism of a stable DDR5 4x16GB @6000mhz. Are there other problems I should know?

[stoic island]

If you're going to get that case, you'll need to get some more fans since it doesn't come with any stock. If you top mount the 360 rad, you'll probably want 3x120 for the side intake.

[swift comet]

Yes Sir, I planned on Grabbing 6x120 and 1x140

[stoic island]

And when it comes to 5000 GPUs, be careful with the interface, we're still a bit from from saturating pcie 4.0 x16, but if Nvidia decides to use 5.0 x8, the riser that comes with the case is only pcie 4.0

[swift comet]

I Shoukd be able to replace the Riser with Gen5 right?

Currently Using 3090 so for now it shouldn't be an Issue and the PSU I'm opting for is Gen 5 ready.

[stoic island]

You'll probably be able to find a third party pcie 5.0 riser if needed, but just be aware in case nvidia does something dumb

[swift comet]

Thank You!

[stoic island]

You're welcome

[swift comet]

Thank you everyone for the feedbacks and advice. While I'm stubborn on my brands I still appreciate the information and criticism.

[dusky hearth]

The only brand loyalty I have is with presidents choice (Canadian brand) and Kirkland signature

The only things that have never let me down

Oh yeah
Also the no name brand (also by the same company that made President's choice)

Well, it's not that I must buy those brands, but rather that they're either high quality for the price, or are very cheap but still of decent quality

[swift comet]

Updated list with the missing accessories. https://newegg.io/60243eb

Also updating my Aging Router with ROG Rapture WiFi 6E plus a Cat 8 Ethernet Cable.

[coarse coral]

do you need that much wifi power

[frigid sage]

I have a question

so my old pc broke, so I replaced the mootherboard, cpu, ram, power supply

yesterday I got it all running and everything, I didnt reinstall windows or anything I just plugged in my old drives

but now I see the activate windows watermark on the right. I didnt have that watermark before, does anyone have a fix or do I just have to buy a key

I was planning on moving my operating system to a different drive than its current one too

[mossy venture]

Please don't get a gaming router

They only cause issues

[weary galleon]

Also cat8 is probably a waste of money

[stoic island]

If you had logged into your Microsoft account previously, your key could have been tied to your Microsoft account and you can activate windows by just logging in

[weary galleon]

5e can do 10 gigabit to like 50 meters iirc

maybe thats cat6 I don't quite remember

[swift comet]

Actually Yes, which I had a question for. If I can transfer my OS, will I need to boot from a Thumb Drive?

[swift comet]

Mind if I ask what types of issues? I'm mostly grabbing it cause my Old router is slowing down and that this has Quad Band that I would like to utilize, Oh and its Asus

[stoic island]

It's recommended to clean install with the windows installation media using a USB drive, moving the drive over directly can make windows finicky with drivers

[swift comet]

But to get to the Windows Install Media, I would still need to boot from a Thumb Drive right?

[stoic island]

Yea, you boot from a thumb drive to use the windows installation media

[swift comet]

Thank You Sir

Another Question I have. Jay2Cents recommended updating BIOS before windows. Is that True?

When I pulled up Asus BIOS for updates it recommended updating Windows Intel ME 1st.

[frigid sage]

See the thing is Im not the original owner of the pc, the pc came with windows, I opened settings and I am logged in so Idk if the key was ever tied to my account

[swift comet]

Oh.. My mistake on mixing this up and intruding.

[stoic island]

It'll look like this if it was, if it doesn't look like this, you'll need to get a key some other way to activate windows

w10 keys will also still work for w11

[stoic island]

I mean, depends on for what reason you're updating bios

get drivers first if you don't have any drivers, update bios first if you need it for compatibility or for specific fixes, in general you don't need to update bios too often

[frigid sage]

or wait ig thats not the same tab is it

[stoic island]

It's under system and then activation

[frigid sage]

well its right that the hardware changed

should I press troubelshoot

[stoic island]

Yea, run the troubleshoot

[frigid sage]

It told me that

[stoic island]

It'll try to link your license to your account

dunno if something wrong with microsoft servers rn, try again later

[frigid sage]

it didnt give me an option to do anything after that

ye ill try again later

it had told me that my windows copy wasnt genuine and to get one from the microsoft store, but then underneath that there was a button that said "I changed my hardware recently" so I pressed that and it took me up that ss^

[dusky hearth]

Don't update bios unless you need or want a feature
One example when updating bios may be detrimental is on an am4 board with ryzen 1000 series, latest bios versions lose compatibility with it to add compatibility with 5000 series

This isn't a problem with am5 though, not yet at least

[stoic island]

main thing for updating bios is if you have fixes like 0x12B that fixes a lot of instability for Intel 13/14th gens

otherwise usually not needed

[swift comet]

OK, thank you guys!

[indigo kindle]

@potent portal update on yesterday’s troubleshooting. Picked up a new mobo and everything is working perfectly now 😃 thanks again for your help!

[serene onyx]

This is the time i starting asking questions about installing w11 tp a fresh pc

I have a fresh pc and the install keeps messing up

it says the pc restarted mid install and it messed up

how i fix

trying new w11 install usb

i think it just may be an outdated w11 boot image

i fixed it

it was

[frigid sage]

Tried again later but didnt work, I then saw I had windows updates and did them, after I went through the same process and it let me reactivate my windows

Thanks for your help

[stoic island]

Nice

[frigid sage]

I'd like to move my windows to the m.2, whats the best way of doing that?

[frigid sage]

Fal'cie recommended this but doesnt that delete the files I have?

Theres the Keep my Files mode but it says itll remove apps and settings for stuff

[stoic island]

If you want to swap it and keep everything, iirc macrium reflect has an option for that

[frigid sage]

Is that an app

I just want it to be on the m.2 instead of the current sata ssd its on

currnetly the m.2 has 1 thing on it but if that thing on it gets deleted then I dont really mind its fine

but the apps and data and stuff I have on my other drives I need to keep intact

[stoic island]

Yea it's a separate app, macrium reflect has a lot of options for copying and managing partitions, one of which works for transferring the OS iirc

[potent portal]

It's the only actually free tool I found that would let you do a full OS clone without buying it

[frigid sage]

I see, thanks for both of your help anyways

Falicie you said the difference in the speed between the sata ssd and the m.2 wont be too much anyways?

I remember it used to be a lot faster but now its a lot slower but I think thats bc of it being super full

[potent portal]

Windows load times

Just a few seconds between sata and some of the fastest drives

[frigid sage]

Would having the OS on a faster drive affect other things

[potent portal]

Not really, unless that drive is really having trouble because it's filling up

[frigid sage]

like games / stuff that the pc does

I might just try clearing stuff on it

[potent portal]

Games literally do not care as long as they're on some kind of SSD

[frigid sage]

In the game I play the load times between me vs some of my friends is drastically different

Now that I think about it I bet some of the reason mine was so much slower was bc of my old cpu

[potent portal]

Yes that was the CPU

That's where most of the load is when, well, loading

[frigid sage]

I still might move it to the m.2 cuz in the game you often have to load different maps

but the os I might keep on the sata ssd, assuming that it gets faster once I clear it a bit

[potent portal]

My guess is the OS is slow because of bloatware

[frigid sage]

how can I check for that

also I'm looking at my drive rn, tbh I have no idea how its even filled, I usually dont install anything on it, if I do then its something relatively small

[potent portal]

Run disk cleanup as an administrator and it will help with a fair bit of that

[frigid sage]

what does that cleanup

[potent portal]

Only what you tell it to, mostly temporary files, windows update files, things like that

It'll also tell you how much space each thing will save you

[frigid sage]

Alright thank you, I'll run that

[dawn sable]

can someone recommend me a good prebuilt pls

[frigid jackal]

https://a.co/d/hgHlkmQ
Thoughts on this as a second monitor to replace my old one?

Old one is around the same size but 75hz and I can't use a monitor stand with it.

also on a budget

[frigid jackal]

bud get ?s

[dawn sable]

maybe under 1500

more like 1000 nvm

[dusky hearth]

You're better off building

[zenith cargo]

@dusky hearth do you happen to know what drivers I need to install from Fiios website?

wait nvm found them

[little osprey]

@eager leaf #build-pics message I call that having priorities.

[fallow knot]

so in case* i need help, i can post pictures on here and yall can just circle in a red pen and post it back right? lmao

[weary galleon]

Yeah if you want to

If you're building for the first time I reccomend pulling up a yt video and following along

[manic mango]

Is it possible to build something for around $450?

[cyan ravine]

At a serious stretch but yes

Competent

Used 3600/5500

B450m-a II

Stock cooler

Used 32gb

Cheap af 1TB, SP A60?

$120 (Specifically) 5700/XT

Cheap af case like a SAMA ARGB-Q5, or better yet, a free one

Apevia Prestige 600W or equivalent cheap but ok psu

That tends to get around the 450, 500 mark

[manic mango]

Thank you

[warm badge]

bruh

[mossy venture]

This costs more but imo worth taking a look at
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156404825193?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

$650-9% at checkout

Or for a custom build, id probably buy cpu on aliexpress

3600 should be around $45, 2600 is like $30 if you want to build a cheap pc and upgrade cpu shortly

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2tLDqH

B450 prime on aliexpress, or id buy a used one
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007920631393.html

Spending the extra for a 5600 wouldnt be a bad idea

3600
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806718174510.html?

5600
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005057753702.html

There's also cheap coolers on aliexpress

[pseudo pollen]

Stock cooler>

[plucky timber]

?

[pseudo pollen]

oh wait it's from ali nvm

5600 comes with stock cooler otherwise

[thin fjord]

What is the next best option for gaming because nobody has a Ryzen 7 9800 X3D?

[plucky timber]

7800X3D

the 9800X3D is quite literally the only Ryzen 9000 worth buying

all the other cpus are extremely mediocre compared to Ryzen 7000 which is much cheaper

[pseudo pollen]

probably good to just wait until next restock late jan iirc

[thin fjord]

I wonder if the price point will be the same in January or if it’s worth it to grab the 7800 instead

[pseudo pollen]

even the 7800x3d is above MSRP right now, so not such a good time to buy

[plucky timber]

the 9800X3D will drop in price sooner or later

[rough loom]

in like a year once it has steady stock

[potent portal]

Honestly I don't know if that'll even be the case.
The 7800X3D held a price that was just below the 14900K until the demand went crazy and spiked the price. There's absolutely no competition to incentivize a price drop this go around so AMD could keep it at MSRP until next gen.

[plucky timber]

ok yeah

AMD would absolutely do that

[rain carbon]

Nvidia, intel, amd, all of them would

All of them have in different ways

[vale epoch]

The nvidia of cpus has been created 😔

[plucky timber]

never forget

[analog hearth]

goober doesn't know basic economics

[vale epoch]

demand drives up price when there isnt enough supply everyone knows that...

[analog hearth]

Yeah a lot of people don't know that and then complain about high prices

[potent portal]

Wow it's almost like single core performance was the most important thing and nothing knew how to use more than 2 cores

[clear scaffold]

okay chat so basically

i found a pc on ebay for like 34 dollars free shipping, its a hp prodesk 600 g4, i was looking for this one specifically for a budget build i saw on tiktok that was like 150 total, anyway the computer i saw in particular is bare bones (no ram, cpu, or ssd), if i find the right components it'll bring the total cost of the build to around $100-120, should i do this or look for one with more parts?

[cyan ravine]

Wow that really would be worth that much

[analog hearth]

That's self-hosting material. I wouldn't game on that tbh

[cyan ravine]

Did we really all just move over one channel to do the same thing with no one else around

☠️

[clear scaffold]

yeah ig

[cyan ravine]

💀💀

Well we're organised!

[clear scaffold]

and what ram do you guys think i should put in it if i do end up buying it

[cyan ravine]

I kind of agree with motor's take of it just at a glance

You get some basic bits but you'll be very limited in what you can actually use

It's also 8th gen? Which is tbh, old af by now

The quality of that motherboard yeah, I wouldn't expect more than a 65W cpu which effectively makes it useless for a decent gaming pc if you have any consideration for that

[clear scaffold]

honestly im not gonna be doing that much gaming on it anyway, mostly light games like the basic minecraft roblox fortnite yk those types of games not like cyberpunk lol

[cyan ravine]

Even still

Throw shaders in, dx12, the light games can get quite difficult

It's kind of really low return imo

[clear scaffold]

ic

[cyan ravine]

Cos the 8th gen cpu will be worth comically too much compared to newer stuff

Which offsets the other cheap parts

There's also the limited power design

Small size factor

It just kinda adds up to be a bit counterintuitive to a genuinely good pc because you start at a lower base

[clear scaffold]

makes sense

[cyan ravine]

You can build a genuinely good entry level pc for $490 rn

[clear scaffold]

i dont have 490

sadly i have 170 in my bank account

[cyan ravine]

Mmm I wouldn't recommend anything for less

170 is way too deep

Best bet is a dell optiplex with some old 11th+ gen

Then you get a cheap low power gpu

Hot rod it with maybe a new psu

That's probably the lowest you could possibly go

And even then it's concerning because those optiplex's genuinely ship with terrible ram

So even at like, the lowest end

$120 for a used 5700XT

Free optiplex

Apevia prestige 600W $51.99

And a used 32gb kit of DDR4 for ~$35

That's about as low as physically possible for a solid build

[clear scaffold]

yeah ill be adding more ram no matter what i end up buying really

[cyan ravine]

Yeah either way lad, save up a lot more imo

Or try hard to snoop around

[clear scaffold]

yeah ik, its only gonna be for a few years until i can actually get a job

[cyan ravine]

Lower than that just sounds like it'll barely game in the near future

The alternative is a used xbox series S

Genuinely good

That's all I could suggest cos again, anything less would barely last long enough to be worth the years imo

All costs money end of the day

[clear scaffold]

ive got a one s as my main game machine right now

been going strong for 8 years

[cyan ravine]

One S still competent, you could flip that and get a series S and be set for a while longer (guaranteed support)

It's technically a sidegrade but newer hardware and longer assurance it works if you don't have any game discs

That's probably your cheapest approach imo

And tbh, the series S does a lot for a console

[clear scaffold]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

Very competent compared to a gaming pc

Think of it like a uh

[clear scaffold]

ill try getting an optiplex for a decent price on ebay, then ill see what i can do later

[cyan ravine]

Ryzen 3700x+gtx 1060 6gb gaming pc

Except microsoft xbox os

It's quite decent all things considered

[clear scaffold]

im still banned on xbox until january lmao

[cyan ravine]

Yikes lol

[clear scaffold]

was supposed to get unbanned in november then when it switched to a console ban it extended to january cause i used my other account

[cyan ravine]

Well anw, I can't think of any better way to approach this without sacrificing the pc to the point it's not worth so see how you go

Maybe geforce now if you have good internet

[clear scaffold]

k thanks man, ill see where these bids go hopefully i can win one 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[cyan ravine]

It's technically free

100mbps should get you a good experience

[clear scaffold]

at&t not possible

[cyan ravine]

May need to tune your net to get it to run better

Doesn't need to be fast

100mbps is reasonable

If that works, it's technically free

So there's that

Tuning important though as you want to minimise any bloat on the streaming load

It's a bit of a can of worms, I don't have the time to explain atm

But it should be very accessible unless you live on like, worse than old dsl lmao

[clear scaffold]

is it worth it to buy something without an os? cause unless i want to 🏴‍☠️ it it'd be like an extra $30

[cyan ravine]

A lot of old optiplex's have the windows key on the sticker

There's a lot of better ways to get a windows key so I wouldn't worry about it

[clear scaffold]

okay

[cerulean plume]

does anyone know why amd adrenaline doesnt open when I double click it?

[dusky hearth]

it broke

[cerulean plume]

wym?

[dusky hearth]

windows probably updated the driver and the driver version and adrenaline version dont match which breaks it for whatever reason

reinstalling fixes it

[cerulean plume]

from the website?

alright I will try that thanks

[dusky hearth]

it happens to me every once in a while

kinda annoying tbh

[cerulean plume]

its this right?

[dusky hearth]

yeah

though that's not where you reinstall lmao

you go to amd's site for that

[cerulean plume]

oh yea lol

[cerulean plume]

I uninstalled the drivers on accident

😭😭

[potent portal]

That's easy to fix by just installing them again

[cerulean plume]

which one do I click on?

[potent portal]

Second one

[cerulean plume]

thx

am I cooked?

[potent portal]

Didn't we go over this already

.

$20 for a new cooler that includes paste

Or is this the new cooler

[cerulean plume]

Yea but I think I got blue screened

From overheating

[cerulean plume]

I’ll buy it later on, but I want to see if I can fix it by increase fans

[potent portal]

Not if the problem is dry paste on a stock cooler, there's only so much you can do

[cerulean plume]

Yea you’re probably right

I’m in bios and the fan was set to silent mode

You think standard or performance?

[potent portal]

Try each and see

It's just a tradeoff between noise and speed

[cerulean plume]

Okay I’ll see standard first

[cerulean plume]

With silent mode I literally didn’t hear my pc

It was wild

[analog hearth]

Bruh I ran silent for a little bit realizing it

I used to use a motherboard for a server. I wasn't going anything demanding with it so I set it to silent. I later then reused that mother for Bazzite OS and the CPU was not having it 💀

[odd venture]

Is it just me or does anyone else find that these connectors are super easy to break and damage the fragile plastic inside? I don't even use them on my motherboard because of that.

[analog hearth]

What is that? USB C?

[odd venture]

USB 3.2 3.1 Type E 20 Pin Female Header Connector

[dusky hearth]

Quite the opposite

[analog hearth]

USB Type E WHAT 😭

[odd venture]

I mean the cables are difficult to pull out, in fact there was an episode on LinusTechTips about how xQc's PC was broken again and the cause was that port.

You could see the plastic was damaged.

[analog hearth]

TIL that the internal "USB C" connector is actually called "USB E"

[odd venture]

This is what I mean

[dusky hearth]

Compared to type 3, this is much more solid

[odd venture]

It doesn't look solid and the plastic on mine damaged after 2 times.

[dusky hearth]

Also the reason why xqc broke his was because he was forcing it in the wrong way

[odd venture]

Mine broke because I couldn't pull the cable out.

I kept wiggling it to get it out but the catches on the side make it difficult.

Why are they so hard to remove? I guess people will say "they're not" There's no release tab or anything, I know you just wiggle them and pull them.

[analog hearth]

they’re not

[odd venture]

I mean I couldn't get mine out.

[odd venture]

My port still works but I just tested it pulling it out again and yeah my mistake was pulling it straight directly out the first time not knowing that you have to wiggle them gently to get them out smh manual should explain this

Made some adjustments to the sides of the cable where the latches are (using a dental pick) and now it's a lot easier to get the cable out and it still locks in place, i think there should be a way other than needing to wiggle these cables to get them out, like a release tab.

[mossy lion]

Hi question so I bought a new ram recommend by this group.

Its is this

Silicon Power Gaming DDR4 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) Zenith RGB 3600MHz (PC4 28800) C18 Desktop Memory Module Ram with Heatsink Black (SP032GXLZU360BDD) https://a.co/d/gWk1imD

I just put into my PC and it won't post in 3600 but in anything lower it will why?

[potent portal]

How are you setting it to 3600?

[mossy lion]

In the BIOS

[potent portal]

Well yes but what setting

[mossy lion]

Ddr4-3600mz

But at that setting it will not post

[potent portal]

Ok so it sounds like you're not using the xmp profile, which is what you need for it to work

That correctly sets the voltage and timings

[mossy lion]

Can you guide on how to do that if I sent you picture of my BIOS?

[potent portal]

Yes, it's usually on the easy mode screen for the simplest way

It might also be called AMP, A-XMP, or DOCP depending on brand

[mossy lion]

So it's in the main tab then?

[potent portal]

AI tweaker, DOCP profile 1

[mossy lion]

Would it be called something else I am not seeing it?

Not sure if this helps but under the drop down for docp I get this?

Actually found out I was in advance mode here is ez mode now

I do see the profile 1 so what do I do now?

[potent portal]

Set profile 1, F10 to save and exit. That's it.

If that still doesn't work you can add some more SoC voltage and that usually helps

[mossy lion]

so it is posting now

and when i check task manager it does show 3600mz now

[potent portal]

Great, that's a big step in the right direction

[mossy lion]

are there any test i can run to make sure its working properly i ask because before i had some cosair vengance ram, and after installing my pc had alot of issues. hoping i don't have that same issue now

[potent portal]

For a quick test you can grab OCCT from ocbase.com

If you want a deeper test I can give more recommendations but they need a little extra setup

[mossy lion]

what would the occt do?

[potent portal]

It has a free version with tests for the CPU, GPU, RAM, power, etc

The free version is limited to a 1 hour test

[mossy lion]

ok i will give it try then

thank you

[potent portal]

With RAM that's enough time to catch the obvious errors

Happy to help

[mossy lion]

so should i just let the test run on my pc without using it, or am i able to use it?

[potent portal]

It's going to use most of the system memory to test with so I'd leave it alone

[mossy lion]

ok thank you

[odd venture]

hey falcie that memory you suggested to me is really good ram

I was able to get it to run at 6600 MHz

I tried 6800, but no luck, would prolly require some fine tuning

thanks again

[plucky timber]

have you ran any stress tests?

[odd venture]

no, but it's 7200 MHz memory so it should be good

[plucky timber]

ryzen?

[odd venture]

i've played war thunder and left it running 24/7 and no issues

intel 1700

meg ace z690

[plucky timber]

which intel specifically

if it's a kit rated for 7200MHz it might be the cpu holding it back

[odd venture]

just a cheap i3 13100 for now

until i upgrade to 13900k

[plucky timber]

that might be what's holding it back

I know ryzen specifically likes to run at 6000MHz

[odd venture]

yeah potentially the memory controller in the i3 is not capable

the motherboard itself is rated for 6666MHz+ and it does achieve 6600, so its right on mobo spec

[plucky timber]

did you use an xmp profile or manually overclocked it

well

[odd venture]

xmp profile

[plucky timber]

more like underclocked

ok good

[odd venture]

and manually lowered it

yeah

this motherboard has a gazillon overclocking settings its wild

[plucky timber]

if you're manually tuning

I would highly recommend running a dedicated memory stress test for a couple hours

[odd venture]

it's in gear 2, which is like a balance between timings and performance or something

i couldn't get it to post with G1

[plucky timber]

memory instability can cause some severe issues

such as your OS corrupting

[odd venture]

i mean it's been good for at least 5 months

no corruption

[plucky timber]

good at this frequency?

[odd venture]

yep

[potent portal]

Or the mobo

[odd venture]

its prolly a limitation of the board

[plucky timber]

or both

[odd venture]

i could probably loosen the timings a bit and it would work, speaking of which i did lower the tRFC or something i think a single digit lower and it posted lol

not sure if that makes it much faster but it's a step at least

[plucky timber]

it is rated for 7200 so you have quite a bit of headroom

[odd venture]

When I start changing timings, I'll have to do the memory tests

[plucky timber]

I'd still run benchmarks for 1-2 hours at least

[odd venture]

yeah

[plucky timber]

for more intensive tunings I'd run them for longer

what a time to be alive

we've got ram so fast most cpus/motherboards can't handle them

[odd venture]

what i can tell you though is the i3's memory controller severely limits the potential of this ram

I know that for sure

I'm building a second system within a month, already got a second board lol.

MSI MPG Z690 FORCE WIFI DDR5 LGA 1700 Intel Z690
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144485

i'll swap my i3 into that when i do the 13900k in this one

[plucky timber]

that's a pretty expensive board

[odd venture]

i got it used for 154, original box all accesories :)

[plucky timber]

ohhhh

ok yeah that is pretty good

banger deal

[odd venture]

yeah off ebay, and it was a girl who sold it, and she said she put some extra stuff in there for me

included a couple of extras, a cpu contact plate, some thermal paste, some cable combs, and some silver pc case screws. I won’t have a use for them, maybe you will. Enjoy!

so that was cool

knowing it was a girl who owned it.. she either took really good care of it or completely screwed it up lol

i'm assuming it's the first one

[plucky timber]

Chinese business tactics

include goodie bags

always works

[odd venture]

well that wasn't even part of the listing, she added them after

[plucky timber]

yeah that's what the chinese do too

[odd venture]

i just messaged her like, make sure you ship it in an anti-static bag

[plucky timber]

especially with those x99 aliexpress bundles

[odd venture]

not to be that guy, but like sometimes people just dont know

i've received boards wrapped in plastic wrap, like are you joking me

[plucky timber]

just plastic wrap?

was it shipped in a box?

was the socket covered at least?

[odd venture]

well this was ram i'm referring to

it was in a envelope but the ram was wrapped up in plastic wrap, and it wasn't the kind with a heat plate or whatever, just bare circuit

[plucky timber]

eh

[odd venture]

I mean like yeah, sure it's unlikely the static would kill it, but it's still not good practice

[plucky timber]

honsetly for ram it's less of a big deal

for stuff like a motherboard it's a lot more riskier

[odd venture]

my swedish buddy cleaned his pc with a duster, the kind that y'know throw static electricity everywhere

i told him, great job.

It still worked surprisingly lol and didn't cause any issues.

[potent portal]

Near zero chance for modern stuff to be hurt by ESD, even if it's powered on

The risk with those dusters is spinning a fan too fast, especially if it's a cheap one that doesn't have a clutch that disengages to save the motor

[odd venture]

yeah most modern boards are pretty tolerant to static nowadays

i'm wondering how they achieve that

[potent portal]

Combinations of capacitors and resistors to contain the discharge mostly

This was a fun vid https://youtu.be/nXkgbmr3dRA?si=hQo1pr3kJ9SfwlTZ

[odd venture]

Yeah, I seen that.

[plucky timber]

you know what else can kill your pc?

[odd venture]

The amount of effort they put into trying to kill boards with static, and still failed.

[plucky timber]

thermaltake smart rgb

[odd venture]

coffee spilled in it

swedish friend did that

[potent portal]

Diet cola will annihilate a PC too, even if it's unplugged

[plucky timber]

there's always @honest knot

[odd venture]

i'm pretty sure any cola would

[plucky timber]

instant death

[potent portal]

Diet cola specifically because the chemicals they use to replace the sugar are caustic

[odd venture]

well, between that and sticky sugar you won't win either way

[plucky timber]

I once dropped a phone in the toilet bowl full of pee

[odd venture]

nice did you get it back?

[plucky timber]

it still works surprisingly

[odd venture]

i bet you use it on speaker

[plucky timber]

I had to take it apart and dry it before it got all corroded

[mossy lion]

so ran the test and it close on me after 26 mins what does that mean?

[potent portal]

If it's off you have a chance to save a soda spill, just spray it with isopropyl alcohol and take everything apart

[plucky timber]

what were we talking about again?

[odd venture]

i would of just tossed it in a bowl of alcohol

(without the battery)

[plucky timber]

well

[odd venture]

I mean it can't be any worse than the urine right

[plucky timber]

it's a post 2017 phone

so you can't do anything without taking it apart

[odd venture]

anything post 2017, would of stayed there

just flush it

[potent portal]

Close anything that might be running in the background like Steam and Discord, you probably ran out of memory mid test

[plucky timber]

unless it's like

99% alcohol

I wouldn't trust it

[potent portal]

That's what I use

[plucky timber]

also it's way easier just to take the phone apart

[odd venture]

it's also easier to not drop it in the first place

My Samsung S21 never gets dropped

except yesterday when it fell out of my jacket pocket

[plucky timber]

right

[mossy lion]

i will say no errors were dectected thou in that time

[potent portal]

I have straight up dropped my Pixel 6 into a bowl of water (no not the toilet, I was doing dishes) and I didn't even turn it off, just took it out of the case and used my high power duster to blow the water off of it

It still works like it never happened (even though it did twice)

[plucky timber]

I bought my pixel 6 a couple months ago

only because my old phone was blacklisted from the 4/5G network

that phone could've lasted another 5 years

[potent portal]

Most carriers are offering a free upgrade from the pixel 6 right now. It's the oldest one that fits into the promo.

[plucky timber]

it's not a carrier phone

[potent portal]

Doesn't matter

[plucky timber]

I don't go with carriers

they usually only offer the bad value models

that or they're out of my budget

[odd venture]

i think falcie might be saying that the cell tower antennas get upgraded and the support for different bands becomes limited, like i had a xperia xa2, which worked, and I bought an identical model that didn't and the answer was because of that reason, regardless of carrier

[plucky timber]

no that's not it

it is 100% corporate greed

ALL international phones are banned

has to be a domestic model

[odd venture]

i mean the original was also international afaik

actually i have 2 more of them

[plucky timber]

I'm in Australia so

[odd venture]

i thought it was such a good deal i bought a second lol

[plucky timber]

I don't think the xperia would even work here

[odd venture]

not realizing i shouldn't be using outdated androids anymore

then upgraded to an s21

[potent portal]

Looks like the free upgrade deal ended but if I took advantage of it I could have gotten a pixel 9 for my 6, I'd just have to pay the taxes.

[plucky timber]

I'd probably get a used phone when mine dies ironically enough

used flagships are great value when you put on a custom rom

[potent portal]

That's the only way to go if you want samsung imo

Pixels are suuuuper easy to flash too

[plucky timber]

eh

samsung roms are hot garbage for my use case

too much bloat

hardware is great but the software ruin it

[potent portal]

Yeah that's what I'm saying, custom rom is the way to go if you want samsung

[plucky timber]

pixel roms are actually really close to base android

so it's actually the custom rom experience I usually look for anyways

[potent portal]

"Pixel experience" I believe that series of roms is called