building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

A lot of marketing leads to big mistakes in informed choices

Since everyone wants their product bought, it's only natural

A lot of articles as well, decorate some opinions when they're writing a narrative to endorse a hardware sponsorship

You can look up like what came up in conversation earlier

"Is fortnite cpu heavy"

Or

"is fortnite gpu heavy"

I guarantee you'll get answers preaching for both

There's a huge amount of misinformation in the PC space for what makes a good part in any given context

It's really odd just browsing 5 minutes of Reddit and you get a plethora of proper answers

And then 5 minutes of YouTube you get the exact opposite

Everyone drives their own narrative, but I've helped far too many people with fortnite issues to not know the game can get hundreds of fps on an entry level gpu at 1080p

[little osprey]

What if I was to just put a i7-14700k instead?

[cyan ravine]

Still less than a 9800X3D

But if you did that and went with a lower end gpu you'd be doing better

And just so we're clear, if you were instead talking about like, space marines, black myth wukong, cyberpunk, I'd flip the opposite direction

Those are very gpu heavy

So the best balance for the needs flips

[little osprey]

But that’s the thing, I’d like to try out different games, not just stick with Fortnite forever

[cyan ravine]

It's your primary game with MC though right

[little osprey]

No it’s Fortnite

And they are constantly updating it

[cyan ravine]

Then I'd focus on fortnite

9800X3D +7900XT/4070S is the route I'd take

If you want to spend less, 7800XT

Or, 13600KF + 7700XT or used 3080

It's adjustable but for your supposed budget the clear pick is the X3D

[little osprey]

I don’t like how amd looks and I’ve never used it, that’s why I’m just so hesitant and don’t really want to use it

[cyan ravine]

It runs exactly the same to Intel and nvidia

You will not notice a difference

[little osprey]

But looks have a big play with me, if I got look at it, I want it to look pleasing to me instead of just thrown together

[cyan ravine]

Nothing I suggested was thrown together

[little osprey]

But I don’t like how amd looks

[cyan ravine]

Why

[little osprey]

It’s ugly

[cyan ravine]

Then you can pick another model

It's quite easy

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=547&sort=price&page=1

[little osprey]

I also found a video that was recently made with a 9800x3d and 4070tisuper and he was getting high of 600 fps, with the 9800x3d

[cyan ravine]

Look at how this guy gets 200 more fps

[little osprey]

What about 1440p

[cyan ravine]

Even bigger

It should be pretty clear I'm not talking out of nothing here

[little osprey]

Is that for this season?

[cyan ravine]

The game isn't going to flip the other direction in one season lad 💀

I don't play the game so can't tell you for sure

But the 9800x3d is only 2 weeks old so

Use that as your reference

[little osprey]

What does the video say or does it not say?

Okay so this season

[cyan ravine]

It was 3 days ago

[little osprey]

The cpu just came out?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[little osprey]

That’s why it’s so expensive

[cyan ravine]

I just got my preorder like a week ago

[little osprey]

So would that mean I’d have to wait even longer?

[cyan ravine]

Not necessarily, depends on your local stock

They're in high demand rn though, for obviously good reason

Shooter games skyrocket in fps counts with it

[finite drum]

I am looking to get a case and cooler, which should I get?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JXz3b2

[cyan ravine]

Is pcpp acting weird

[finite drum]

no, is it not working on your end?

[cyan ravine]

It's only showing like 10% of everything available

[finite drum]

for my list specifically or in general?

[cyan ravine]

I think in general?

It's ok, I remember the prices just about

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bbg6sp

Try this

I just can't tell you where they're sold at rn

Not working on my end lol

[finite drum]

What type of case is 17 inches tall?

that is my current size

[cyan ravine]

This is an interesting request

[finite drum]

It doesn't need to be exact, but what is the case type

[cyan ravine]

The one I sent is 15 tall

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/62DLJn what about the stuff i had previously Felix but i changed the motherboard to be bigger?

[cyan ravine]

Trim the AIO and ram back and that's a long way improvement over what we started with

[little osprey]

Wdym trim the aio?

Also why can’t I use 32gb?

[finite drum]

so if a micro tower is 15 inches, what type is 17?

[cyan ravine]

Here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H3YxGJ

Exact same performance, same looks

But now we're at the starting price from earlier

[little osprey]

But I wanted an aio

[cyan ravine]

That's a good question, possibly a mid tower? But there's no reason to get a mid tower in 2024 since the things that made full size ATX make sense have all been killed off

[finite drum]

ok, ty

[cyan ravine]

Then
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HHmtgn

[little osprey]

Even if it provided no benefit of having it over the the fan, I liked how it looks

I wanted my rgb

😞

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gdhQZc

[little osprey]

I technically don’t even have a budget, just not wanting to spend more than have to while also spending what I’m comfortable with 😅

What was wrong with the Saturday I previously had in this list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/62DLJn

[cyan ravine]

An AIO is already overkill

[little osprey]

But I like it so I want it

[cyan ravine]

The front of the case will look different if you buy the 360 hence me changing it

Since you need to mount it there

[little osprey]

I can mount it at the top can’t I?

[finite drum]

The CPU cooler doesn't come with thermal paste, right?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Q7XVZ2V?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

[mossy venture]

It does

[cyan ravine]

Based on the length it looks snug at best

G360A was like this

[finite drum]

where does it say that?

[cyan ravine]

It boasted 360mm compatibility but many aios didn't actually fit up top

We had a few people show us that phanteks lied

[little osprey]

Phantek?

[mossy venture]

I bought the 224xt and it came with pre applied paste. Most coolers do nowadays

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

[little osprey]

What’s that

[cyan ravine]

Case brand

[mossy venture]

It'll say it somewhere on the page but I don't feel like searching

[cyan ravine]

Yeah this is extremely snug

I know it says 360mm but it's a tough fit

And anyway this 9800X3D idles colder than an Intel CPU and tops out at 70C on an aio

It absolutely doesn't need one

240 is already extreme overkill

[finite drum]

It doesn't say it, and looking in the video of how to install it, one of the steps is to apply the paste

[little osprey]

What about a fan?

[cyan ravine]

Fan?

Like big tower?

[little osprey]

Yeah fan cooler

[cyan ravine]

Big towers are fine if you prefer

[little osprey]

I prefer aio

[cyan ravine]

Ok we established this 💀

[little osprey]

😁

[cyan ravine]

240mm is fine

Why does it need to be 360mm

[little osprey]

Because I want it at the top

[cyan ravine]

When 360mm does nothing for any cpu on the platform

240 can go on top

[little osprey]

But it doesn’t fill it up

[cyan ravine]

?

[little osprey]

Would the extra fans not help cool everything else down? 😅

[cyan ravine]

Nope

It does absolutely nothing

A decent 240mm radiator can cool 600W no problem

This is a 120W CPU

More fan and radiator does nothing here when the cpu is well and truly cold

[vale epoch]

What case is that?

[cyan ravine]

216rx

[vale epoch]

Beefy intakes damn

[cyan ravine]

Not a bad case if you want extra for a look

[cyan ravine]

Real-life example of this btw

And the many strix LC gpus of days gone by

[little osprey]

is that real?

[cyan ravine]

Ofc it's real

And very cold as a gpu

525-600W card

Here's another

Another

[little osprey]

i wish my gpu that ill be getting could look like that

[cyan ravine]

Another

So many 450W+ 240mm cards

Radiators are just a measure of capacity, if they're running well enough and have good enough fpi then a 240 will be perfectly sufficient

Losing 1 or 2C on a cpu won't add any performance whatsoever if it's already well below the throttle point

[little osprey]

i just dont like how the towers looks and i dont think the tower is okay just hanging there on the side like that

[cyan ravine]

Nothing wrong with it

This is why they ship with thick as hell backplates

It firmly plants these things onto the motherboards

In many cases too, the big towers have less moving parts due to lack of water so they always outlast aios

An AIO makes sense if you needed like a 13900K or maybe a thread ripper and did heavy render work

Below that it gets realllyyyy hard to justify adequately

[mossy venture]

It comes with paste.

There is a three minute unboxing video on the Amazon page. There is some paste in the box

It's likely cheap but it will make maybe a few degrees of difference vs a paste like the mx-6

[finite drum]

Ok, thank you for double checking

[little osprey]

@cyan ravine I found a 240mm option of the one I had, would this one work?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9b47Wc

Also the motherboard that I changed it to, is that one good? I don’t know if it is or not because it says it supports the 9800x3d but it would need to be updated?

[cyan ravine]

The mobo is ok since you want the case aesthetic

But I gave a 240mm with RGB that was cheaper

Why are we now spending even more for 240

💀

[little osprey]

Amazon is selling the 9800x3d for $700+

[cyan ravine]

Well you'd be gunning to buy one for $480

$700 isn't remotely worth it

Those are scalpers

[mossy venture]

or 7600/x with the intention of dropping an x3d cpu in down the line

or 7800x3d for identical performance to the 9800x3d when paired with a 4070 super. the 10-15% performance difference is at 1080p low, at 1440p high settings you're going to be heavily gpu limited

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Except he's mainly playing fortnite so the difference is like 80%

[mossy venture]

what?

[mossy venture]

between the 7800x3d and 9800x3d?

[cyan ravine]

@mossy venture

1440p it was an even bigger difference

[mossy venture]

80% tho?

[cyan ravine]

It was

[mossy venture]

That sounds like something is wrong

[cyan ravine]

The effects of performance mode

Lol

[mossy venture]

I dont see an 80% difference I'm very confused

[mossy venture]

14700k to 9800x3d is close to 50% here, i see that

[cyan ravine]

You know what you're right

It's late here

It's 50

[mossy venture]

No you're good i just thought I was crazy lmao

[cyan ravine]

I made bad maff in head

Mb mb lol

[mossy venture]

And it looks ~20% between the two x3d

[cyan ravine]

Yea

But when I checked for 7800x3D I saw $800

So I figured nah

[mossy venture]

Ew

[cyan ravine]

Lol

Ye otherwise you know a good bundle for that I agree

[analog hearth]

$800 for 8 cores is nuts

$100 per core? my ass bruh no thanks

[cyan ravine]

If amd could charge that much they would

They're the most price scummy of all 3

You only see the sales they get as they push hard for adoption rate

[analog hearth]

ngl I'm blaming the X3D hype. Everybody wants an X3D CPU now lol

[cyan ravine]

It's genuinely good

You become the halo tier, you win the mindshare

NVIDIA does this with their GPUs

[little osprey]

I really don’t want to wait just for it be in stock again

[cyan ravine]

Huge fps jump just by being a little patient

[little osprey]

Would me having a 4070 ti super be better than the 4070 super?

[finite drum]

Would it look weird if only the fans and cooler are rbg? My current case is opaque, so I am not sure whether having some or no rgb would look better

My keyboard is already rgb

[cyan ravine]

30% more money for like 15-20% more fps is kinda not worth it

Especially when for $630 you can get even more than that with a 7900 XT

[little osprey]

But I can’t wait anymore because of the deals for Black Friday 🙃

[analog hearth]

Yes

4090 > 4080 Super > 4070 Ti Super > 4070 Super > (just don't go below a 4070 Super honestly)

[little osprey]

Why would it not be when I was just going to spend all of this extra on protection plans?

[analog hearth]

This guy actually gets the protection plans

lol don't buy into those. If you have an issue, just RMA it

[little osprey]

What’s rma

[analog hearth]

You send it back to the manufacturer and they either fix it and send it back to you or they send back a new one

Rarely will I have to RMA anything but I also never buy protection

I like to hit it raw

Saved this for later
http://zipline.terracontents.com/u/Ap3uqL.png

[cyan ravine]

Well again, along with the above^ you can get a $630 7900XT and get more fps than a 4070TiS anyway

[analog hearth]

"I like to hit it raw." Probably one of my favorite analogies I've said this week

[little osprey]

Please don’t screenshot me with stuff like that being said

[analog hearth]

bruh

I'll blur your name out

and pfp

nobody will know lol

[cyan ravine]

I think all of us vets have our own worse things said

Lol

[analog hearth]

If I started cracking a joke like that everyday I'd probably get banned

I live in America and use Instagram daily. It doesn't have a good effect on the moral part of your mind 💀

Lots of racism. It's America; you know the drill

[cyan ravine]

TIL the missing side of motor's brain

[analog hearth]

yeah

Y'all don't see it because it's not social accepted, let alone not accepted in this server lol

[cyan ravine]

Gotta add "IG brainrotpilled" to ur profile notes

[analog hearth]

Surprised I'm not banned yet but I guess I'm just way more behaved here

This server is the opposite end of my spectrum for me

[mossy venture]

hearing this is always so funny

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[analog hearth]

Okay bro

[cyan ravine]

Erm achkuallee

These are crosshair parts

[analog hearth]

bruh

[cyan ravine]

Strix is for plebs

[analog hearth]

okay PCMR snob

you're still australian

[cyan ravine]

[Recommends NVIDIA faster]

[analog hearth]

You must've missed it lol but I recommended AMD earlier 💀

Bro acts like I'm an Nvidia snob lol

[cyan ravine]

I mean that's what pcmr does

[analog hearth]

I self host. Of course I'm going to pick Nvidia

[cyan ravine]

But hey even they are recommending amd

Like wtf is the world changing

[analog hearth]

bruh

They're waking up fr

Anyways, I need to Lockheed Martin this 10600K Plex/ripping machine

Might just reuse an ATX case that I have despite the motherboard I have being mATX. But I mean at least I could do a 240mm AIO

[cyan ravine]

You needa Goldmann Sachs

Gotta

Singapore airlines

[analog hearth]

Man what

what is that lmao

Must be Australian

[cyan ravine]

Gotta artic exploration tunnel

[dusky hearth]

i cant wait to go to singapore, australia

[cyan ravine]

Agree

[analog hearth]

My server case options are some goofy HTPC case from Silverstone or a Thermaltake Level 20 VT

I just don't have much room for the Level 20 VT though but it would make a super nice server case fr

So many cooling options for it too

atp I don't even have to go water cooled

Man but that's also a 125W TDP CPU running inside my room and I just don't want that lmao

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DPrKBq does this mean I can buy the gpu and everything else that I can right now and just wait for the cpu? Also should the cpu be available again soon?

@cyan ravine

[cyan ravine]

That looks a lot better

Yeah I'd do that and wait for the cpu to be in stock

This AIO tho
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zcgrxr/thermalright-frozen-prism-argb-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-240-black-argb

They look basically identical irl

[analog hearth]

@cyan ravine my options are the PCPP list in this message or spending $300 at most for a DAS and just connecting it to a server I already have
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PtMsZc

And I'll probably just get whatever Pioneer or LG Blu-Ray drive people recommend

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dbCZxr/msi-mag-a750gl-pcie5-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a750gl-pcie5
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VhbTwP/hp-fx900-pro-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-4a3u0aaabb

@analog hearth

[analog hearth]

How could is that PSU? Apparently it's not on the PSU Tier List

[mossy venture]

It's A tier quality

[analog hearth]

oh bett

[mossy venture]

Wait you're not using a gpu in that pc are you?

[analog hearth]

nah it's just gonna be a server build

honestly I wouldn't mind going 650W

[mossy venture]

This is alr more than enough
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bpvD4D/msi-mag-a750bn-pcie5-750-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-mag-a750bn-pcie5

Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8LNxFT/msi-mag-a-bn-650-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-mag-a650bn

$60 and $50

[cyan ravine]

Yeah tbh don't need a major psu

I'm multitasking rn mb

[mossy venture]

Fx900 pro is a good ssd choice

[analog hearth]

I'm still trying to justify the practicality between this and a DAS though

I'm mainly worried about having a whole 125W TDP CPU in my room, which I already have a couple of servers running (also in my room)

but with a DAS, this would be on an Ubuntu machine with a 12500T (35W TDP iirc)

So idk. Plus the DAS would probably have better redundancy features, etc., which I don't mind paying a premium for

Like yeah the DIY NAS that wouldn't have RAID (unless it was via software), but it's cheaper. But, also would heat up my room

As much as I would like to save money, I'm pretty much leaning toward a DAS

[analog hearth]

Man now that I'm looking at all of my future-resisting options, it all comes down to a lack of storage

I need to go for storage maxxing frfr

Like actually though holy crap. My most-needed server has like no redundancy on it, it's on a 500GB drive and ONLY a 500GB drive, and I want to backup all of its data onto another machine, which shouldn't have anything stored on it because most of the data on that machine is supposed to be public (so like, it shouldn't have much at all stored on it)

"So why not go that route?" It's also on a single drive with no redundancy 💀 (1TB drive though and not a 500GB drive)

I'm thinking the DAS route is best still

Sorry for yapping and venting about my storage situation guys

lol

Like this is also why I have multiple Nextcloud servers. This just isn't a good solution holy crap

[rain carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[toxic barn]

any big sales today for AMD processors?

3D specifically

[severe lava]

What do yall think of this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sG7QZc

[analog hearth]

I think it's a computer

could be wrong though idk

[rain carbon]

I think its a toaster

[analog hearth]

being fr though, I would just ditch pretty much all of the Corsair stuff (the PSU is fine imo). I'm also going to wait for everybody to yell at you for the GPU

Man who's even paying $400 for 8GB

[rain carbon]

May i have the honors?

[analog hearth]

go ahead

[rain carbon]

They wanted to match the vram with the core count ig 💀

[analog hearth]

bruh

[rain carbon]

Id just slim out on the cpu if youre gaming to a 7600 and get a better gpu

Pref amd at this price

[analog hearth]

Honestly, if you really want Nvidia, just stretch your budget and get a 4070 Super. Anything at a lower tier just isn't worth it

[analog hearth]

Honestly that's what I would do

Could get a nice 7800 XT and have a really good 1440p that does a locked 180 fps in most games if you went with a 7600

[rain carbon]

^

7800xt is amazing value

[analog hearth]

"But isn't that a weak CPU for the power of that GPU?" Maybe. But not for most games, especially if you're at 1440p

[rain carbon]

Look at my gpu cpu 🥹

I still do blender and premiere pro just fine

[analog hearth]

@severe lava Come back. Let us roast you

[rain carbon]

These are modern parts, they still run like a beast regardless

Gpu perf is gonna have more impact

[analog hearth]

ngl though if the 5080 is going to be $1600 and still only have 16GB of VRAM I'm just gonna wait until RDNA 4 atp

[rain carbon]

Fr

[cursive atlas]

yo

[analog hearth]

^ bot

man all of these bots and still haven't seen Sytan around

Kinda makes you think lol

[dusky hearth]

why do you think

[analog hearth]

He's the one who does a bunch of AI training

My thinking: It's not impossible to make an unofficial Discord bot that looks like a normal user to train an AI

Honestly, it's something I've thought about doing myself

But I wouldn't flood the chat with bots that send generic messages like "hi" and then never say anything else ever again. It would be strictly for training

[devout ocean]

This has been killing me trying to decide what I should get. I just bought a Lian Li GA II Trinity AIO because of hearing of how hot the i9 12900 gets (what I'm using on my new build), especially for content creators, and I also am hearing there are air coolers that get the job done as well. Had my eye on the be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 5 but this one was on a great sale. Currently using an i3 10th gen so maybe this is too far a leap. Feel like maybe I'm getting in over my head. Any comments that could help are appreciated

I do also have my eye on an i7 12700 as something to fall back on. Still a vast upgrade

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt bother with 12th gen anymore

What are you using the pc for, and what's your budget for the build

[devout ocean]

Anyhting past 12 is beyond budget 😅

[mossy venture]

?

The 13600kf is almost always cheaper than the 12900k

And is better in games

Matches it in multi core performance

[devout ocean]

Would be for streaming and gaming. Not often super modern, but am trying to future proof myself

12 had better sales lol

[mossy venture]

I would stick to the 12600k/kf, 13600k/kf, 14600k/kf, 7600/x, 7700/x or any am5 x3d cpu for games

12900k is maybe 5% better than the 12600k in games

[devout ocean]

Well I am upgrading from an i3 10th gen so

[mossy venture]

What is your budget for the whole build

[devout ocean]

Less of a whole build more of an upgrade but I'd say around 350 for what I need. Already got my mother board last year, got DDR5 ram recently and that cooler today

i9 came in a couple days ago

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zyyH99/intel-core-i5-14600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071514600kf

[mossy venture]

Oof

What else do you need to replace

[devout ocean]

Really think an i5 would be better 😲

[mossy venture]

Yes

[devout ocean]

As of now that's it

[mossy venture]

What mobo do you have?

[devout ocean]

There's a possibility of needing another PSU but I'm doubtful

[mossy venture]

And if you want, you could 100% do a cheaper cooler, but that one isn't bad just expensive

What psu and gpu are you running?

[devout ocean]

I got the cooler for a total of 91 bucks cuz sales. I thought that didnt seem bad. Though the Dark Rock Pro 5 is currently 75 bucks

[devout ocean]

PSU is 600 watt gold

Mobo is Gigabyte z790 UD AC

[mossy venture]

What model, it will say it on the side of it

Solid mobo, hopefully around ~170 or less but either way it'll do what you need it to

[devout ocean]

Yeah got it for 150

The model number of the PSU?

Other than that its an EVGA

Another thing is I've heard the 13th and 14th gen have come across a lot more issues

Oh and btw I dont know jack about overclocking so that's something to put into perspective lol

[mossy venture]

It's been fixed

[mossy venture]

That doesn't matter

Also you could do a $35 phantom spirit air cooler, or a similar dual tower cooler instead of aio with a 14600k

The 12900k runs hotter, so an aio isn't a bad idea

I would check the psu model. What gpu are you running

[devout ocean]

A 1650

Specifically ASUS Pheonix

[mossy venture]

You'll likely be fine, whatever it is. As long as it isn't a w1, w2, w3, n1, n2, or n3

[devout ocean]

From my research the Core number matters more than the gen number so this is throwing me for a bit of a loop

[mossy venture]

Those are all fire hazards

[mossy venture]

Yeah no

Games do not care about core count past ~8

[devout ocean]

I'll also be running OBS, plus a few other applicaitons

Discord, a browser or two

[mossy venture]

Yeah 14 cores is way more than enough

I promise

[devout ocean]

Even 10 years from now? Again I'm trying to future proof as much as possible lol

[mossy venture]

Most games don't use more than 4-6 cores

[mossy venture]

Something in your build would die much sooner than that. If you want to "future proof" you should go am5

Lga1700 is a dead end socket. No new cpus will be released, and the 9800x3d beats the 14900k by a handy margin, the 7600/x matches the 12900k in most games.

I gotta run for a bit

[devout ocean]

Oh if thats AMD thats a no go for now. Way to late to return this motherboard

Do what you gotta

[rain carbon]

i hate the word "future proof" lmao

people still run amds 580

[mossy venture]

Oh yeah forgot abt that

[devout ocean]

Might be worth mentioning I got this i9 for around only 200. That i5 aint much cheaper. 10 bucks maybe 🤔

Eh maybe not

[devout ocean]

I mean hey if they still work with other modern gear/games/etc

[indigo kindle]

Can i dm someone for build advice?

[rain carbon]

you can just ask here

[dusky hearth]

i used a 570 till '23

it could run any game.... at reduced settings of course

even cyberpunk 2077 at launch

i could play at either medium 1080p at like 40fps
or low 1080p at like 60fps

[indigo kindle]

Current build:
Processor: ryzen 9 3900x
GPU: evga 2080s
Ram: G. Skill 32gb ddr4 3600
Motherboard: asus am4 tuf x570
Power supply: segotep 750w

Looking to upgrade and here is my rough outline:
Processor: Ryzen 5 7600x
GPU: 4080s
Ram: Corsair Vengeance 32gb (2x16gb) DDR5 6000 CAS 36
Mobo: ASUS TUF B650-E
PSU: MSI 850W

Using mainly for gaming. Is this a solid upgrade? Anything that i shoudl change?

[dusky hearth]

seems fine? there may be some minor tweaks needed, though with a budget for a 4080s, you might as well also grab an x3d chip

those perform a fair bit better for many games

[indigo kindle]

Great. Ram good? Psu fine?

I heard it may be better to go CAS 30 instead of 36. Thoughts?

[mossy venture]

I'd make some changes

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2LXjyW

We are also fairly close to new gpus, you could keep the 2080 super for now and hold off if you'd like

[indigo kindle]

How close?

[mossy venture]

I've been told January

But that doesn't mean they'll be available for purchase that soon, and 4080 launched at $1200. 5080 could be the same

Itd be laughable, but knowing nvidia it wouldn't surprise me

7900xtx at $820-840 is good value

[indigo kindle]

How does it compare to 4080?

[mossy venture]

Theyre equal, xtx has more vram

[cursive atlas]

yo @mossy venture

are you busy rn

[mossy venture]

Wsp

[cursive atlas]

my friend wants to buy pc parts to build a pc

and his budget is 1500-2000

he wants rtx and not amd

like when you gave me mines

[stoic island]

Are you able to talk to them about that or is it non negotiable?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PthV6Q

[small tinsel]

How much would yall sell this for?
HP Omen prebuild- 5 years old
i7 9700
rtx 2070 super
16gb ddr4

[cursive atlas]

i can yea

[cursive atlas]

thanks

he’s actually in the server

@quartz wing

[mossy venture]

Depends who you're selling to and the local market, but 300-500

[quartz wing]

whats better about amd

[plucky timber]

I think the question is what's not better about nvidia

is the gpu going to be primarily used in video games?

[quartz wing]

yes

[plucky timber]

if yes then there isn't much of an advantage of getting an nvidia card over a radeon

you're paying significantly more for similar performance

[small tinsel]

you have been my lord and savior through this time of buying gifts. I have 1 more request.
Can you help me with a roughly $1100 budget build?

[plucky timber]

The almighty bacca

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4730200

Cpu mobo ram and ssd

Few min for the rest

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qFT8Yd

[small tinsel]

Can we swap for an nvida card?

fat nvidia fan this one is going to XD

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VxzXsY/asus-prime-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12-gb-video-card-prime-rtx4070s-o12g

[small tinsel]

sickkk

thank you

[little osprey]

@cyan ravine https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RVYnHW could I go with a 9900x instead of waiting for the 9800x3d?

[mossy venture]

The 7600x or 7700x performs within 5% of it for games

[little osprey]

Why was he trying so hard to push the almost $500 cpu to me rather the $260 cpu that is only 5% difference? I’m so confused

[plucky timber]

wait really?

so the only real advantage of a 7700x over a 7600x is quite literally "not gaming"

[stoic island]

the 9900x over the 7700x? The more cores don't help for gaming, but help for other workloads

x3d can get you up to 25% gains on specific games, but outside of that, 9xxx series isn't worth it

[analog hearth]

And then there's me, who will go for more cores regardless

9800X3D? Nah give me that 9900X3D. Idc that it's slower. I have more cores than you

[plucky timber]

I wouldn't go for ryzen 9000 unless they drop in price

considering how mediocre they are compared to the cheaper ryzen 7000 in general

[cursive atlas]

what’s the best cpu at the moment for a amd gpu pc

[plucky timber]

what's your budget?

[analog hearth]

The only one that’s justifiable (at MSRP******) is the 9800X3D

[plucky timber]

in fact do you want a whole pcpp list?

[plucky timber]

yeah because you actually get some decent performance gain over the 7800X3D

[analog hearth]

Exactly

[cursive atlas]

i’m just asking for learning purposes but let’s say a 3000 budget

[plucky timber]

that's way too much for a gaming pc

[stoic island]

For rasterization in general, you can see it as either you get 20% better performance at the same pricepoint, or you get the same performance as a 20% more expensive Nvidia GPU, while being better in specific games optimized for AMD

[plucky timber]

the best cpu depends on your budget

[cursive atlas]

hmm

[plucky timber]

wtf why is the 9800X3D $800 on pcpp

[quartz wing]

i see

[plucky timber]

scalpers? demand?

[stoic island]

Huge demand lol

[quartz wing]

could u make one with amd

[plucky timber]

does the brand really matter that much

I assume he put the 14600KF in there because it was the best cpu for the price

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k6DBb2

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4730200&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-Combo.4730200-_-11292024

$350 cpu mobo and ram bundle, and 1tb ssd free with the cpu. Issue is mobo isn't great, but value wise it's far better

[plucky timber]

wait whose list is this

[stoic island]

With the money saved you can get the $400 oled panel assuming total budget is $2000

[plucky timber]

can someone fact check me on this

does the 7600x outperform the 14600kf?

[mossy venture]

Nah

14600kf tiny bit better

[plucky timber]

oh ok

[mossy venture]

For all intents and purposes they could be considered equivelant for gaming

[plucky timber]

this is what i get for skimming benchmark results

[mossy venture]

This sentence is stupid

I chose the worst wording lmao

[stoic island]

btw where'd the free ssd come from?

[mossy venture]

It's free with the cpu on wegg rn

But with this big of a budget I like to suggest more than 1tb of storage

[stoic island]

ah I see

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PthV6Q
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q6DBb2
I did shave $30 off the top list by swapping to the 7600x but I assume there's some tradeoffs for it that I'm not noticing

[mossy venture]

The b650m hdv is same price, id do that

[plucky timber]

gpu is a bit expensive tho

[mossy venture]

7900xt and xtx great value atm

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YGkFt3

no price on cooler tho

[hasty cove]

chat i need a decent laptop suggestion

trying to get those sales

i alr have a desktop so dont say get a desktop

[plucky timber]

budget?

[stoic island]

edited to reflect bundle part selection and prices
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6JwNQd

[plucky timber]

and are you using it for gaming or other use cases

[hasty cove]

ganuing

gaming

[plucky timber]

nah we hate those people

[dusky hearth]

ah yes, the budget is gaming

[hasty cove]

budget

uh

700-800

[plucky timber]

i want to say 4060 laptop?

[mossy venture]

https://laptopsdeals.net/product/lenovo-loq-gaming-laptop-2024-15-6-fhd-1920x1080-169-144hz-300-nits-100-srgb-anti-glare-ips-display-g-sync-ryzen-7-7435hs-rtx-4060-16gb-ddr5-ram-512gb-ssd/

[plucky timber]

he already found one

bro is a machine

[small tinsel]

why does the Storage set as 0? I dont see it in included in that bundle you linked

[stoic island]

And this would be how it would look with the bundle and an oled panel
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dDz29C

[mossy venture]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-LOQ-15-6-FHD-144Hz-Gaming-Notebook-Ryzen-7-7435HS-16GB-RAM-512GB-SSD-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4070-Luna-Grey-Octa-Core-Display-Ram/13376108763

[stoic island]

Shows up after adding to cart, it's specific to the CPU not the bundle

[mossy venture]

It'll show up in cart

[mossy venture]

I type fast lol

[small tinsel]

OHHH

thanks

[mossy venture]

Np

[plucky timber]

1000wpm in monkeytype

[mossy venture]

Bro it's an issue

[stoic island]

easy wr

[mossy venture]

Idek why I type so fast on mobile. Keyboard is one thing, but hitting 100wpm on phone is wild

[stoic island]

muscle memory lol

[plucky timber]

100wpm on mobile?!?!

I get 110wpm on a mechanical keyboard

[stoic island]

hey its not too bad if you ignore errors

think I peak 80wpm on mobile

[mossy venture]

My highest is around 140 on mechanical keyboard

[plucky timber]

damn

[mossy venture]

Auto correct is my friend

[stoic island]

autocorrect makes it even faster

[hasty cove]

dang that is good sale

[quartz wing]

thx, do u think id be able to get ~300 fps with decent graphics on games like cod if i upgraded the monitor?

[stoic island]

especially since we talk about the same things over and over again in wegg lol

[dusky hearth]

stenographers pushing 200-300 wpm

[plucky timber]

stenographers kinda cheat tho

[dusky hearth]

they have autocorrect on steroids

[plucky timber]

they got shorthands for everything

[mossy venture]

Not sure about 300 fps in bo6, but you will get great frames and high settings yes. Do you happen to have a microcenter nearby?

[stoic island]

If you want to lower the settings and/or go down to 1080p, you can, but 1440p does look noticeably nicer

[mossy venture]

The only way you could do better is with an x3d cpu, but they're overpriced online atm

[stoic island]

Monitor in that list is 1440p

[plucky timber]

is it just black friday or is newegg crazy busy today

[mossy venture]

Prob black Friday

Sales have been pretty meh today honestly

[plucky timber]

maybe they went to microcenter

[dusky hearth]

average black friday nowadays

[mossy venture]

Those pre builds i posted in tech deals and the 7600x bundle are the best deals I've seen tdy

[plucky timber]

probably because the pcmr people keeps telling everyone to buy 4090s and 9900X3Ds

[dusky hearth]

black friday deals be like the same as the deals that you may see any other day of the year ong

[plucky timber]

oh

so the deals themselves are meh

[hasty cove]

any way i can upgrader the storage?

[mossy venture]

Yes

[plucky timber]

this economy 💀

[hasty cove]

fake ahh black friday, cause they just raise the price and make the sale the original or sum

[dusky hearth]

companies realized just putting normal ass sales is going to get people to buy stuff

and they dont have to do any crazy discounts

💀

[hasty cove]

do i just buy a ssd and then pop open the cover and switch em out?

[plucky timber]

or normal prices

[quartz wing]

nope none near me

[mossy venture]

Pretty much

[plucky timber]

like not $500 cpus that's not an x3d

[mossy venture]

You'd need to reinstall windows

[quartz wing]

whats the reg price?

[hasty cove]

also is that website reputable

[hasty cove]

not doing a allat 😭 🙏

[plucky timber]

2700X msrp was $329 btw

[hasty cove]

cause it got zzero revewis

reviews

[plucky timber]

inflation really hit us hard

[mossy venture]

$7800x3d was $350 for a good while, now $450 for a 7800x3d or 9800x3d is considered standard. However the cheapest one is nearly $600 right now

Yes

[stoic island]

laptopsdeals is just an aggregator that links to external shopfronts, it doesn't sell anything themselves

[hasty cove]

i ignored the giant button that says "see deal on ebay"

[covert vapor]

Nah, 's because AMD doesn't need to price compete right now because Intel is in the toilet right now

[quartz wing]

do u think theyd go down within a month?

[hasty cove]

sonofa

its out of stock

[mossy venture]

Potentially

[plucky timber]

every time that happens AMD tries something funny

[mossy venture]

I linked you a second one

I think

Otherwise ask foxy or felix. Or just look at r/laptopdeals

[hasty cove]

i see it

[plucky timber]

speaking of foxy I haven't seen him in chat in a while

[hasty cove]

would you say the second one is better?

[little osprey]

should i buy the 7700x right now @mossy venture ? or should i just stick with the intel i had?

[mossy venture]

Yes

To both of you I guess?

[hasty cove]

cause i found teh first one for the same price

[mossy venture]

Idk it's your pc

[hasty cove]

oh lol

[mossy venture]

I'm talking to two people at once this isn't working

[hasty cove]

lmao

[mossy venture]

Let's start this over

[hasty cove]

call in some backup

[mossy venture]

Yes, the gpu is better

[stoic island]

what do you have right now and why do you want to swap?

[little osprey]

i have nothing

[hasty cove]

ithey both say ryzen 7 7435 hs

[mossy venture]

Idk, it's your pc. The 7700x, 7600x and 14600kf will be basically identical, you just get an upgrade path by going am5, so it's up to you

[mossy venture]

Gpu

4060 vs 4070

[hasty cove]

i missread

[little osprey]

what do you mean upgrade path?

[plucky timber]

personally I'd get the cheaper one so you can have the extra cash for a future cpu upgrade

which will be better in the long term

[hasty cove]

anyone know if the indiana game is good?

indiana jones

[plucky timber]

you don't lose out on much performance

[mossy venture]

You can drop a better cpu in without changing motherboard

[little osprey]

oh okay thank you

[hasty cove]

is the gpu worth the extra almost 200

[stoic island]

Currently the 7600x bundle is extremely good, but I'm not sure how long that deal is going to last

[mossy venture]

I thought it was $120

[quartz wing]

what would the total price be looking like if i were to get one of those later on

[little osprey]

and gpu i wont have to change motherboard either will i?

[plucky timber]

7600x is the way to go

[mossy venture]

Prob not, there should be more 4060 options in the $600-750 range

[plucky timber]

any money saved is any money that could be used in a future upgrade

[hasty cove]

699 vs 879

[mossy venture]

No

[hasty cove]

im tweakin

[stoic island]

PCIe is backwards compatible, and we shouldn't run into bandwidth limitations for a while

[mossy venture]

No you're not

$180

I am

[hasty cove]

worth?

[plucky timber]

what's the power limit on these laptops tho?

[mossy venture]

Nah

[hasty cove]

no reveiews on the higher gpu one either

[mossy venture]

It's like a 15-20% improvement and will run hotter

[plucky timber]

because if it's a crazy power limited 4070 then it's not better

[mossy venture]

Not worth $180

[hasty cove]

only cons i see on the best buy one are the battery life

but if i cared i would have another desktop

[plucky timber]

do you already have a desktop?

what are the specs?

[hasty cove]

me?

[plucky timber]

yeah

[hasty cove]

shiii

[mossy venture]

Theyre both lenovo loqs so the tdp should be in the 130-150w range for both

[plucky timber]

I mean if it's a secondary device do you really need a better gpu?

[plucky timber]

oh wow so not bad at all

[hasty cove]

yea thats what i was thinking

[plucky timber]

is battery life one of your primary concerns?

[hasty cove]

naw

[plucky timber]

heat? fan noise?

[hasty cove]

nope

i hop its loud and an inconvienence to those around me

[plucky timber]

do they use the same heatpipes tho hmm

that's what I'm wondering

I mean it's a laptop so

remember you're running 1080p

[hasty cove]

got ryzen 7

wait

is goldensoldier not here anymore?

[plucky timber]

who

[hasty cove]

golden soldier

one of the newegg techies

bro helped me with my first build

i was trying to find the dm with the partpicker

[plucky timber]

must've been years ago

[analog hearth]

Never heard of that guy lol

[hasty cove]

twas 2-3 years ago yea

i wonder if he deleted his account

[plucky timber]

I'd go for the 4060 tbh

[stoic island]

did they have a different username?

[plucky timber]

it's not like the 3070 where you get more vram

both the 4060 and 4070 have 8gb vram

the biggest reason I got my 3070 was because it had 8GB vram instead of 6GB of the 3060

and now I don't even use the 3070 (i run everything on the igpu)

[hasty cove]

idk

cant find the dm

pfp was one of those green army men but golden

[jagged ember]

No idea

Might be super early days then

[quartz wing]

would it be worth it to wait and see if a 7800x3d becomes available or should i play it safe and get that 7600x bundle while the promo is still up

[mossy venture]

I'd do the bundle and just upgrade cpu down the line personally

At $350 that's crazy value. A mobo ram and ssd to go with the 7800x3d would be $100-140+$80+$50-60

[quartz wing]

ight i think ima do that

thx for all the help

[mossy venture]

Np

[cyan ravine]

And it's all changed again

Good luck ✌️

[little osprey]

Yeah I didn’t want to wait for a $500 cpu to be available

So went with the $400 cpu that’s on sale for $270

[little osprey]

Hey @mossy venture I went with the 7700x and I was just wondering if it would be enough to have my game, discord, YouTube/netflix, and even music going all at once in the background as well and maybe even streaming if I’d like to try that out for fun

[mossy venture]

Yes

[little osprey]

Okay bet 😁, thanks for the help

[little osprey]

@cyan ravine https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6562528.p?skuId=6562528&sb_share_source=PDP good deal or no?

@mossy venture ^^

[mossy venture]

solid

it was recently $620 but that's the cheapest atm, aside from a white one

[little osprey]

so i should get it?

[little osprey]

@mossy venture if I get a back-ups surge protector, will it still protect my devices from a lightning storm even though I have no ground in my house?

[mossy venture]

Uhh

Yes?

I think?

I dont really know much about surge protectors but I think that's exactly what they're for

[untold orbit]

any word on 9800x3d's in stock?

My "local" microcenter claims to have 25+ May be making a long drive in the am

[cyan ravine]

Very spotty

Lots of X3D stock having issues rn

I think everyone sorta just finally caved in to upgrading which is why the good gaming chips just started disappearing

Especially since Intel fumbled hard this year

[untold orbit]

Yeah, all the prices on the x3ds shot up last few days. Had one in my cart last week and was just waiting for black friday on the other parts. should have pulled the trigger

[loud oxide]

Hey anybody know which pc from new egg would work best for Minecraft, I’m looking for one that’s under 1K?

[untold orbit]

CPU is only thing I'm lacking. Had a product day of buying

[cyan ravine]

You ok with building? It's like using adult lego tbh

All it takes is a screwdriver these days

[mossy venture]

And a USB for windows

But that's like $5

[loud oxide]

Isn’t it hard?

[mossy venture]

Not very

Especially if you follow a tutorial on YouTube

Or if you have a microcenter nearby they'd build it for you

Or a local pc shop

Though they'd probably overcharge

[loud oxide]

Oh I see, well in that case yea I think I would like to do building

[loud oxide]

There’s one opening near me soon actually

[mossy venture]

I'd order this, it's $350 for a 7600x, mobo, 32gb ddr5 and a 1tb ssd
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4730200

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7QkhyW

[loud oxide]

Is that a good deal?

[mossy venture]

Very

7600x is normally $180-210, a mobo would be $100-140, ram would be $80, ssd would be $50-60.

[loud oxide]

Oh wow, that is good

[mossy venture]

Microcenter has a $300 7600x, mobo, and 16gb ddr5 bundle, but $50 more gets you more ram (that you'd want to buy anyways,) and a 1tb ssd

[loud oxide]

Should I add all these to my cart aswell?

[mossy venture]

Imo yes, for that bundle there's no way of knowing how long the sale will last or if we'll see better sales or not soon

[loud oxide]

Alr gimme a sec

[mossy venture]

Could def do a cheaper gpu considering you're playing minecraft

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kYkhyW

[loud oxide]

Would mods make a difference??

[mossy venture]

Nah

This pc will handle anything minecraft related afaik

Except maybe ray tracing idk I've heard that's unreasonably intense on minecraft

[jagged ember]

Seus ptgi is crazy

But that's just ridiculous

[loud oxide]

What’s that?

Is that good or bad?

[mossy venture]

Oh also
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156164986828?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[mossy venture]

It's pointless

[jagged ember]

Normal shaders already do a perfectly fine job with sodium/iris

[mossy venture]

Can search minecraft ray tracing on yt if you want to see what it is

[loud oxide]

You’re getting me confused with all these links

[loud oxide]

So I should get this

[loud oxide]

And this?

[mossy venture]

Yeah, that pre built was just a secondary option

Sorry

[loud oxide]

Oh I see, which one do you think is better?

[mossy venture]

Actually yknow what nvm ignore me, that pre built went up $100

It was $910 now it's $1010 after the 9% off

Building yourself with either the 7700xt or 7600xt would be better

I am still looking but it seems all the builds that were on sale are out of stock now

[loud oxide]

Btw the black box thingy with 3 fans in it is out of stock

[mossy venture]

?

[cyan ravine]

Think he means the prebuilt lol

I see in stock so maybe I'm wrong

[mossy venture]

Idk

[loud oxide]

https://secure.newegg.com/wishlist/md/34454997 here’s what I have so far

Ik I’m missing things but I don’t know what I’m missing

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt buy specifically from one website

You limit options and you'll end up spending more overall

[cyan ravine]

Yeah really encourage looking at a couple stores for a whole list

You can compound things together and be much cheaper cos every different store has different sales

[loud oxide]

Oh I see, didn’t think of that

[cyan ravine]

Ya

Like one place might have one super nice sale, then amazon can have a few nice pieces with prime shipping, then maybe one or two from newegg that are the best combo for something

Most of the time that suggestion alone saves people 3 figures in their budget

[loud oxide]

Oh damn, you guys are really saving me out here

[cyan ravine]

Hell yeah man

We like finding the best value for your needs

All for fun, we don't get paid

I use it as a learning exercise

I agree with most of what's said too about the parts suggestions

Maybe a slightly different suggestion for gpu

Like https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4RrRsY/xfx-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-speedster-qick-319-core-video-card-rx-675xyjfdp

Or a used 2080/Super, 2070/Super

*Used 3070 could also be very very sustainable

All decent suggestions so far tho

[loud oxide]

I’ll spend the night searching for parts and share what I have. I hope that you guys will give me some advice then.

[cyan ravine]

Used 2080Ti is another

Yeah no worries

[distant yoke]

Took me almost all day to work this up. Some advice is appreciated. I know I could've done better but its my first build based on price/specs. Thanks https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g9WV6Q

[little osprey]

Just bought majority of everything. now to look for a desk, mic, camera, chair, etc.

[cyan ravine]

What is the pc being used for?

1100 is the budget?

[distant yoke]

yeah, was gonna edit that in

[cyan ravine]

All good, just need to know the use case and I can tidy it up

[distant yoke]

The build is for gaming and general use. budget about 1500 but can be flexible

[cyan ravine]

1500 includes just the pc

Or PC monitor, keyboard, mouse, headphones etc

[distant yoke]

just pc

[cyan ravine]

Ok I can make this a lot better

Gimme 5

@distant yoke https://pcpartpicker.com/list/84pq4p

I think I just tripled your FPS

Yeah now that I think about it

3.6x approximately

Lol

Slightly better CPU overall

Better ram

Underdog motherboard (Same quality but has a secret trick to use Z790 powers)

Less storage but similar performance to the SSD you had for way less

Lian Li OEM case

Much better PSU

If you need more storage I can accomodate

This is a pretty OP build though for 1500

You'll be able to play anything in 1440p without flinching

Any settings, ultra or whatever

Just not path traced Cyberpunk

[little osprey]

What about mine? 🤨

[distant yoke]

was what I put together just all wrong? cause i already feel off that most of the budget is going toward the gpu

[cyan ravine]

It's not wrong, but there's a huge amount of imbalance for a general gaming pc

To put it in context

[flint sapphire]

What’s your budget for the rest?

[cyan ravine]

The 3060 pc could do a lot of 1080p gaming

Good gaming, high-ultra ish settings

[little osprey]

I already bought everything

[cyan ravine]

Whereas the XTX can do up to 4K medium

[flint sapphire]

You said you were looking for a chair and all

[distant yoke]

I don't need 4k

[cyan ravine]

Ya I get that

Most people don't

But it's vastly powerful proportionately so you get way more FPS just because games are typically GPU bound

[little osprey]

Oh, I thought you were talking about the pc 😅

[cyan ravine]

You can use much less cpu than you might believe is needed

Games are made to use up to 6-8 cores typically

So anything more is a bit of a bonus

So that also means anyone who's just after a gaming pc doesn't really need much more

I can throw less GPU in though if you don't want to aim for the maximised budget route

[flint sapphire]

The 13600k or kf is a hella good cpu for gaming

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

Super high value chip

More powerful than a 12700KF for just a touch more

[flint sapphire]

Used it in a sff build, thing was kinda scary good. Got a bit hot tho

Ya know sff

[cyan ravine]

@distant yoke bit better?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bfpq4p

You lose maybe, 20%-ish of the FPS but you spend a LOT less

20, 22%?

Somewhere around there

We can go lower again but I'd go even lower on the cpu if we did that

I'd opt for a much more expensive X3D here but they're currently sold out again

Only worth buying those for msrp

Or under

[little osprey]

When I get my stuff in about a couple weeks, and when I’m ready to install windows, will I have to pay to activate it or is windows free to activate?

[flint sapphire]

Yesnt

[little osprey]

Maybe?

[cyan ravine]

@distant yoke https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4rcdXR Here's another but even more tamed down

This will do 1440p high-ultra pretty competently

But it's a big step down from the other two

[flint sapphire]

You don’t need to activate it but there’s some annoying things you might want to do to avoid connecting a Microsoft account to it blah blah blah

And getting rid of a watermark is pretty much all you’re paying for

[little osprey]

I hate watermarks so I’d pay for it 😅

[cyan ravine]

Cleaned up the PSU on the last list

[little osprey]

Also what do you mean avoid connecting a Microsoft account to it?

[flint sapphire]

So when you install windows if there’s any available networks it’ll ask you to log in to or create a Microsoft account

There’s a ton of videos on it on YouTube

[cyan ravine]

Man A620 looks so clean at $35

[flint sapphire]

👀

[cyan ravine]

Thermalright tier temps but much cleaner looking

[distant yoke]

looks like it takes upo space

[flint sapphire]

Did you see the vapor chamber one

[distant yoke]

but leaves space for the memory

[flint sapphire]

Still worst then a noctua

[cyan ravine]

Yeah you definitely want a thick cooler for all the cpus we've talked about

If not a cheap 240mm aio

If you want a smaller cooler, you'd want to go the AM5 route

If you have any questions about all this please tell me @distant yoke

Some insight to the kinds of games you like might also vastly change my suggestion

[distant yoke]

Overwatch, smite, fornite, COD, Remnant 2

[cyan ravine]

Ooooo ok

[distant yoke]

I was trying to stay the intel route with i7 and with a atx not micro

[flint sapphire]

Atx vs micro barely matters

[cyan ravine]

The i5 is more powerful and faster than the i7 you had

Just a heads up

In like everything lol

13600K is like just shy of a 12900K

It's also much colder so doesn't need a more expensive cooler

[distant yoke]

ok, and I was looking for faster processing

[cyan ravine]

The B760M btw

It has a BCLK OC option

It basically works like a Z790

It also has a really strong power solution that beats many Z790's/Z690's

[distant yoke]

I am unfamilar with those terms

[cyan ravine]

BCLK OC basically is more GHz more fast

Faster CPU

[flint sapphire]

More better processor

[cyan ravine]

It's a simplified version of what the Z790's do

[flint sapphire]

Cheaper but similar to an expensive motherboard

[cyan ravine]

Hmm

I'm not seeing anything too attractive on the AM5 side today

I could up the CPU here but it'll add maybe 2% to the gaming

The higher tier ones add more threads for work but games can't use them

Games are made to use usually up to 16 threads

But the vast majority is up to 8

Are you playing in 1440p @distant yoke ?

[distant yoke]

currently or planing to?

[cyan ravine]

Either or

You're the captain good sir

[flint sapphire]

🫡

[distant yoke]

I don't think I am

[flint sapphire]

Felix just throws cheap builds together

[cyan ravine]

Ok I can aim for like, overkill 1080p then

Do you like ITX?

[flint sapphire]

Bang for the buck is his love language

[cyan ravine]

Like really small pc builds

[cyan ravine]

That joke hit me in 4 different stages

[distant yoke]

I'm unfamiliar with itx and I am pretty tired with a headache now

[cyan ravine]

Like really really small pc's

Super powerful

[flint sapphire]

Sleep on it save some of the pcpartpicker lists

[distant yoke]

oh right

[cyan ravine]

No compromise including space

There's a nice value ITX route here I can see

[distant yoke]

just feels overwhelming

[flint sapphire]

Ignore itx they are kinda annoying to build imo

[cyan ravine]

👀

[cyan ravine]

Alr

I will stick to what you asked for

@distant yoke white pc or black pc

Pick a colour

[distant yoke]

black

[cyan ravine]

Alr

[distant yoke]

I'm fine with just simple

that was my goal

[cyan ravine]

How's this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w9wTBq

Your hardest game is COD so 7700XT should be a decent pick for that at high settings or high fps at 1080p

[flint sapphire]

Thankfully the three major pc hardware companies make things needlessly complicated 👍

[distant yoke]

I meant by aesthetic

[cyan ravine]

It's simple aesthetic

Dw

You could opt for this PSU instead if you want to save a touch more

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dbCZxr/msi-mag-a750gl-pcie5-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a750gl-pcie5

Other than that this should all work just fine

Play everything you want no problem in 1080p

[flint sapphire]

(There’s basically no difference between the psu you can ignore this and just buy)

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much

The one in the list will last you a lot longer, let's just leave it at that

[distant yoke]

the one in the last one you did?

[cyan ravine]

Yea

[distant yoke]

the build looks alright

[cyan ravine]

You can ping me later if you're unsure of anything

[distant yoke]

have any suggestions for additional fans

[cyan ravine]

We don't need to furiously think it all over rn

Yeah one sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vq6p99/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-s-x3-d6

These