building-and-recc-chat

[potent portal]

Yes

[spiral hull]

ok

[potent portal]

We won't be able to avoid burn in on OLED because of the organic layer, which discolors over time and heat.

They're working on an inorganic replacement that performs as well as the organic layer but it's going slowly

[spiral hull]

but i thought it took years of the same picture to cause burn in

[jagged ember]

OLED naturally must have burn in

Its a property of the tech itself

[potent portal]

Depends on the model, but it can be noticeable in as little as 3 months

[jagged ember]

If it doesn't burn in its just LED

[spiral hull]

rip

[jagged ember]

MiniLED time

[potent portal]

Nah, not unless they can get that juicy 0.03ms response time

[spiral hull]

its not fast enough

0.03ms is how long it takes to umm

wait 0.03 ms

[potent portal]

Gray to gray transition time

[spiral hull]

thats pretty long

[jagged ember]

MicroLED then

[spiral hull]

yea thats faster mhm

[jagged ember]

Then NanoLED

Obviously the logical progression

[spiral hull]

picoled when

[jagged ember]

You lose pixels because they just tunnel out of the screen

[spiral hull]

sad

should i get an nas?

[jagged ember]

An old PC would do

[spiral hull]

what if i have an old pc already

and what if it doesnt have enough space for me

and my 0 hard drives

[jagged ember]

Then sadness

[spiral hull]

what if i just get another case

that fits my need for hard drive space

which i wont use bc 0 hard drives

(ill get some after i get a nas)

[potent portal]

I got an old HP workstation with a Xeon and installed Linux to make it into my NAS/DNS/Plex server

$100

[spiral hull]

i got a dell t3600

[potent portal]

Plus a large HDD

[spiral hull]

it fits 2 hard drvies

i want more

[potent portal]

How much storage are you going for because 14TB drives aren't a bad price per GB right now

[spiral hull]

it uses a 12 year old xeon that is so much worse than my 12100f i dont want to use it

[spiral hull]

depends

i am trying to do yt

and im planning to store all my footage there

maybe lossless bc 1080p

i also got a bunch of other junk filling my 2 ssds

that i need to get rid of

not get rid of

move

[jagged ember]

Storage only NAS shouldn't require that much cpu power I think

If you're running vms or whatever on it then yeah maybe

[spiral hull]

ik but it does require room which the t3600 doesnt have

[spiral hull]

i also wanna run or sell a minecraft server on it

[potent portal]

My 1650v2 is able to handle transfers at Gb speed while transcoding a file for Plex and handling all DNS requests on my net at the same time

All without a SSD

[spiral hull]

nice

[potent portal]

You just need enough memory for cache

[spiral hull]

well i dont have enough space on the t3600 lol

i have 512gb of intel pdimms

so i really really wanna not use something that dont support them

512gb of pdimms would be enough cache to umm

idk

its alot

[potent portal]

Well I hate to break it to you but there's not much you can do that will fill that memory. You'd need a massive database file cached to fill even a quarter of it.

[spiral hull]

yea ik

but i have it

and i cant sell it

so might as well use it

idk i might be able to use it as normal storage or smth lol

one of the dimms is just the boot ssd

[potent portal]

You could use it like that, it's called a ramdisk

It takes forever for a computer with that to shut down and start up since it needs to copy the contents of the RAM to and from the disk

[spiral hull]

but like

the pdimms are persistant

they keep their data

and they are also “ram”

so woudnt it just work

[potent portal]

Ehh I guess it depends on the way it's set up in BIOS

[spiral hull]

yea

ok

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126397682027?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=v9QmnOzYTP2&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=ddlrml9ctae&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

w or l

[potent portal]

I would just get a JBOD if all you need is the storage part

https://www.ebay.com/itm/256607580219

Then all you need is SAS drives and sleds

[spiral hull]

sleds cost alot ;(

also i cant use my pdimms if i get a jbod

[potent portal]

You would use the pdimms for working space and temp storage, and the jbod for storage

[spiral hull]

no like

if i get the jbod

i woudnt have any cpu socket compatible with pdimms

since its second gen scalable xeon only

[potent portal]

Yes you would. JBOD is literally Just a Bunch Of Disks. One big storage. The onboard CPUs only handle data transfer and file system management.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/387253591067

You would still need a server to handle other tasks

[spiral hull]

i think you misunderstood

xeon v2 isnt the same as xeon scalable second gen

[potent portal]

That wasn't what I suggested

Think of a jbod as one big disk made up of little disks. You plug that into another server, and it shows up as one drive.

[spiral hull]

i know what a jbod is

the problem is

[potent portal]

So you would still need a server, which you would use the pdimms on

[spiral hull]

this is the cheapest server with the socket i want

it also just so happens so have 12 hard drive slots

so i woudnt need a jbod

also its not the cheapest that title belongs to 150$ gpu server

hmm

maybe i should get that

and wire up the jbod

[potent portal]

Oh I was under the impression that you had a server already. I don't know anyone that would buy a bunch of pdimms with nothing to plug into.

[spiral hull]

i didnt buy them

i just inherited them from a former intel employee (my dad gave them to me)

[potent portal]

If he wouldn't be mad about you selling them you could get $500 for the lot

Wait no

[spiral hull]

mmm money

[spiral hull]

yea its 500)

since its litteraly unused

the worn out ones are worth less

idk how much new ones are bc

no one uk just doesnt use their parts

nvm the prices went down significantly

last time i checked it was 60$ for the used ones

[potent portal]

Yeah I'm looking now at the same issue

Lot of 5x128GB sold for 125

Single 512GB sold for 185

[spiral hull]

oh shoot

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176549283479?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=g4KVKYAOSXq&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=ddlrml9ctae&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

the ddr5…

i thought they were lost to time

ok well thats cool

ok well since they arent worth much i dont wanna sell them

rather use them for umm

idk

something

ok well all i need now is to get the money

hopefully

[odd venture]

random shout out to Fal'Cie for being helpful and radical

[crimson zinc]

https://www.jawa.gg/product/39618/onyx-i5-12400f-rtx-4070-super-32gb-ddr5-6000-2tb-nvme-gaming-streaming-content-creation-and-art-pc

Not a deal, but this looks so clean.

[trim junco]

Which one should I get out of these 2 options? Prices are listed as shown:

Cost: $600
CPU: Ryzen 5 5700G
GPU: Rtx 3060ti
Ram: 16gb ram

Cost: $480
CPU: Ryzen 5 2600X
GPU: XFX Radeon RX 6600XT
Ram: 32gb ram

[mossy venture]

What's the motherboard in the second

And what's the psu

The first is the omen 15l if I remember right?

[trim junco]

25L yep, and the motherboard is Gigabyte b450m wifi, and PSU is EVGA 650 G5 Fully Modular

[mossy venture]

You could easily throw a 5700x3d into that mobo, and a 7900 gre or similar on that psu

At $120 cheaper I think I'd take the perf drop for the sake of upgradability

And more ram, so you won't need to swap that out

Plus hp limits ram speed to jedec

[trim junco]

But if I don't have immediate plans to upgrade due to money, and I play games and also edit music on it too

[mossy venture]

Answers still the same

[trim junco]

So go with the 480 build?

[mossy venture]

Anyways $120 gets you a 5600, which beats the 5700g, and you could still sell the 2600x after if you really need the perf boost

[mossy venture]

Fs

Better value and an actual upgrade path

[potent portal]

There might be a 5500X3D coming soon too

[trim junco]

Bet, tysm, uve been a lot of help, same with @potent portal ty!

[mossy venture]

Also for music production an hp build would suck

Music production loves fast, low latency ram

[trim junco]

So that's the same build right?

[mossy venture]

Hm?

[trim junco]

The one better for music is the 480 build

[mossy venture]

Yeah

[trim junco]

Okay ty

[mossy venture]

Ddr5 would be ideal, but I'm imagining you're not doing Incredibly intensive work

Some of those lenovo builds were ddr5

[trim junco]

This is the ram: 32GB Corsair Vengeance 3200mhz

[mossy venture]

Yeah that's fine

[trim junco]

Perfect

[potent portal]

Oh it's less of a "might" and more of an "almost certainly" since it's coming from a mod on the AMD forum. https://community.amd.com/t5/part-recommendations/the-ryzen-5-5500x3d-get-one-for-your-am4-socket-motherboard/td-p/702540

[mossy venture]

Isn't the 5500's whole thing cut down cache?

[potent portal]

The only difference between the 5600X3D and 5500X3D will be reduced clocks

[mossy venture]

5500 vs 5600 the main diff is cache right?

[mossy venture]

That'll be nice tho

[potent portal]

Yes the cache on the regular 5500 is cut down

[mossy venture]

$149 is even better

[spiral hull]

5400x3d

[analog hearth]

5200X3D would be crazy though

[spiral hull]

rx3d580

[cursive wharf]

1x4d

[analog hearth]

NvIntelAMD RyzenRTXe Core Ultra 5090 Ti Super XTX (gaming)

good luck

[formal girder]

Forgot the AI naming as well

[analog hearth]

You'd be surprised but I made that up lol

[brittle tinsel]

I know its not practical, im fully aware of the cons outweighing the pros in this situation however, I need to know if the i7 4770 will fit inplace of an i5 4590S, the information I have is that the 4590S is a FCLGA1150 socket while the i7 4770 is a LGA1150 socket. Will the i7 4770 fit the FCLGA1150 socket? everything else such as power draw and such I have already made sure there is room for.

[plucky timber]

it will fit in the socket yes

Do you have an oem pc?

A lot of times oem limit your upgrade options

[dusky hearth]

it's the same processor generation so i think so?
but a FC version of a socket means that it's a soldered on cpu

FC standing for flip chip (had to check to make sure that was right)

[plucky timber]

I thought FC just stood for flip chip

[dusky hearth]

yeah

flip chips are soldered on the board

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip_chip

[plucky timber]

huh

I swear I've seen motherboard manufacturer use LGA and FCLGA interchangeably

Why would it be LGA if it's soldered on tho

Wouldn't BGA be more practical

[dusky hearth]

good question

[brittle tinsel]

oem?

[dusky hearth]

afaik those are BGA

[brittle tinsel]

Its a prebuilt built on an Intel H81 mobo

[plucky timber]

hmm

Do you know any specifications?

[dusky hearth]

also i think the name "LGA1159" is just the socket pin configuration name? and then FC just denotes it as being soldered on the board? if i were to guess what the reason for the naming to be like that to be

[plucky timber]

Specifically power supply and motherboard

[brittle tinsel]

ive read fc was "Flipped Chip"

[brittle tinsel]

1 sec

[dusky hearth]

yeah, flip chip

[plucky timber]

Another funny thing

On the intel website for the 4790k it says that the socket type is FCLGA1150

[brittle tinsel]

so the specs of the pc is Intel H81 mobo, gtx 1060 3gb GPU, i5 4590S cpu, 16gb DDR3 ram, and im not quite sure the power supply. I think its a 650 watt though

[dusky hearth]

also it seems like it's just because the FC version exists for it

[plucky timber]

Maybe it's how the die is connected to the PCB?

[brittle tinsel]

We just need the extra little push to keep this thing going for a while longer

[plucky timber]

It would fit the definition

[plucky timber]

Thing is

You're going from a 4c/4t to a 4c/8t

It's going to be an upgrade but not as substantial as it would've been a decade ago

Since applications these days are taking advantage of higher core counts

[dusky hearth]

tbf, FC could have been a holdover from back when cpus used to have the die on the side where all the pins were, like the pentium 1?

so technically the cpu is flipped

but there hasnt been a cpu like that since those days

pentium 2 switched to a completely different design

which looked like ram

[brittle tinsel]

I know, but I can get a used one cheap and its all we got to bump it up a bit, without having to upgrade mobo and all

[plucky timber]

How cheap?

[brittle tinsel]

$35

[plucky timber]

i7s usually still demand a premium

ehhhhhhhhhhhh

[dusky hearth]

actually
pentium 2 did the "FC" thing

[plucky timber]

I mean it's not that overpriced

How much ram do you have?

[dusky hearth]

also 35 for the performance increase between those cpus are still not worth it imo

[plucky timber]

Again the upgrade won't be that substantial

Haswell is oooold

And considering everything else in that system is also aging

You won't really get much performance unless you upgrade everything else

Which is still not that substantial

A modern i3 might be able to outperform the 4770

[dusky hearth]

might?

it will outperform the 4770

[plucky timber]

Destroy*

[dusky hearth]

real

[brittle tinsel]

as far as ive read, the i7 4790 is the highest you can go with my socket and specs. so since the 4770 and 4790. We just cant afford a full upgrade right now

as long as the i7 4770 fits and is the best upgrade I can get for the price range, then thats what I gotta settle with

[dusky hearth]

i think i advised this to you before, but it would be better to just save the money and just hold out a bit longer on the old pc, until you can afford to upgrade to a modern system

[plucky timber]

Yeah but the problem is that you won't be getting much of an upgrade

Especially with modern workloads

If it was 10 years ago you would've seen a decent performance increase

Even back then it was a bit meh tbh

Really you'd be spending your money on extra heat

[dusky hearth]

you would likely only get like a 6% increase with that upgrade

[brittle tinsel]

the issue is that he can play siege just fine until he loads up discord with it, then his cpu is at 100% and his game lags and discord has delayed voice.

its kinda hard to play together like that. so if 6% fixes the issue, ill take it

[dusky hearth]

how important is discord though? cant you just go on a call on your phone or smth

[spiral hull]

5775c

highest end

[dusky hearth]

teamspeak is lighter of an application

idk if you've tried that

[brittle tinsel]

I dont think there is any free servers for that

[plucky timber]

How much ram does he have?

[brittle tinsel]

16gb

[plucky timber]

Hmm

Have you tried reinstalling windows?

Like a fresh install

Could just be bloatware accumulated over a decade

Windows 10 or 11?

[brittle tinsel]

10

and we did a fresh install about a year ago when we swapped out his old 500gb hdd for a 4tb hdd and a 500gb ssd

[plucky timber]

Yeah I don't think it's worth upgrade

If it's that bad going to an i7 would only be a bandaid if it helps at all

You're only getting hyperthreading out of it

You might be able to find a used ryzen for $50

Yes you'll need a new motherboard and ram as well but haswell is ancient

[brittle tinsel]

off question but about what temp would thermal throttling kick in? wouldnt be around 70c would it>

[cyan ravine]

Google Tcase for your cpu

Iirc it's around 70C ish ye

[brittle tinsel]

maybe a cpu upgrade wont help him. ive been doing benchmarks and monitoring temps and everything as to figure out why this suddenly because an issue. The power supplied to his CPU randomly drops from 35+ watts to 10-15 watts and then the cpu goes from 3.3GHz to 1.0 or less GHz then that is when discord and siege start having issues.

How would I track down the cause of the drop? my pc stays within 10 watts and 0.10 GHz variation from its average point

[cyan ravine]

Try looking at utility or for specific stuttering

Random dropping like that I would attribute to like, a driver issue, a bottleneck (e.g cpu throttle, storage throttle, ram stability) or windows corruption, bad ram

Few things like that

[brittle tinsel]

would it being plugged into an extension cable cause a issue like that?

[cyan ravine]

No

It's utility based

You could have a rogue over current

But the odds of that causing slowdown and not psu trip is extremely unlikely

[brittle tinsel]

his pc does it, with no load even. just idling windows with nothing open at 8% cpu usage and low gpu usage. barely any ram usage and the watts and cpu clock drop just as much

[cyan ravine]

So stuttering at idle is not cpu

Slow down at 100% is

But that's age

[brittle tinsel]

ok so we can rule cpu out then.

[cyan ravine]

It'll be something else

He should look into debloating windows

That will fix the 100% scenarios

The stuttering will be else where, hdd, ssd, ram instability, windows corruption

Target one of those 4

[brittle tinsel]

would it be very bloated? its only at about a year on his current windows installation, we redid windows fresh when we swapped out his bad drives for better ones

[cyan ravine]

Absolutely can be

A few bad updates can ruin an install

One bad day turning off the pc in anger, ez

[brittle tinsel]

is there a way to just do windows and not the games and stuff on his other drives?

[cyan ravine]

Yes and no

Windows is annoying with some games

[brittle tinsel]

We have very slow internet in the middle of nowhere, it can take up to 3 days to download gta depending on speeds

[cyan ravine]

I know that feeling

But I wouldn't rule it out

Try windows last

Do ram stability tests

Check drive health

Sfc scannow

Ddu

Etc etc

Try stuff like that

[brittle tinsel]

alright, will do. Thanks, maybe we wont have to upgrade the cpu after all. I have a feeling the issue he has, upgrading wouldnt have helped even if the performance difference was more than the little we were looking at.

[cyan ravine]

If debloat doesn't fix 100% cpu load then he may still need one

Not having available swap can still slow down a pc

[brittle tinsel]

he only hits 100% load when either playing games and running discord or in this case I was running geekbench

[cyan ravine]

Ye i know

If he dailies like that it'll impact his experience

Fps cap could fix his 100% cpu utility

Aim for 90% ish

Phone bout to die

Gotta go

Lol

[jagged ember]

Real

Fps cap will help a lot

Probably 100 or below

[crimson zinc]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126622486568?

Is this trustworthy enough to put in a customers gaming rig?

[spiral hull]

yes but

its a 3060ti

so i woudnt

also its from miners united

its 100% super mined on

[potent portal]

Nothing wrong with a mining GPU. Worst case you just need to repaste it.

[spiral hull]

ik

but its a 3060ti

[mossy venture]

?

[cyan ravine]

That looks fine imo for a used card

Mining cards are kept in regulated environments most of the time

Vs a gamer that'll just let it yeet to 100% and they have no concept of adequate cooling

For miners, better temps means better undervolt and hash

It matters a lot

I would consider that not bad for a gpu

[dusky hearth]

Is that supposed to be like the worst GPU ever? ☠️

[cyan ravine]

No

[dusky hearth]

I only had a rx570 until somewhat recently

[cyan ravine]

The worst ever would go to 4060 Ti 8/16gb

[dusky hearth]

The 3060ti would blow it out of the planet

[spiral hull]

yes

[dusky hearth]

Real

[spiral hull]

worse than a 4060 ti

[cyan ravine]

3060Ti was actually fine, just plagued by covid

[spiral hull]

100%

[cyan ravine]

4060Ti gets destroyed by 3060Ti in workstation

Tiny little bit bus = no perf

[spiral hull]

yes

yay

[dusky hearth]

Tiny little buss

[cyan ravine]

ML and large bandwidth tasks is competent on 3060 Ti

[weary galleon]

Very solid value for a low end card imo

[cyan ravine]

Only cards that I can think of that square up to that would be 5700xt, 1080ti/titan xp, or 6700xt for value there

Like it's really not bad

If you need the modern features of ampere that's a good price

[crimson zinc]

@spiral hull was out, sorry

Customer wanted nvidia gpu, but nothing over $200, so this is the closest I saw

[spiral hull]

oh

they wanted nvidea

ok

then 3060ti is good

[crimson zinc]

I would’ve just gone with like a 6600xt or something but they “don’t trust gpus from Amd yet”

After I repeatedly insisted it was fine

[spiral hull]

avarage noob move

[crimson zinc]

Real

[plucky timber]

what is this? 6500XT?

[cyan ravine]

4060 ti

[plucky timber]

💀

is it good in gaming at least

[cyan ravine]

At 1080p and barely at 1440p\

4060 Ti is gonna age like milk

[plucky timber]

so like

a 40(50)Ti

[dusky hearth]

"yet"
-# When though

[crimson zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-thumbs-up-gif-13068519828048642244

yes

[lone flame]

What’s possible for something in the 500$-800$ USD range for like decent 1080p performance

Preferably new parts and not used

I’m assuming something AM4 and like a low end rdna 2 card

[plucky timber]

better than you think

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LBxwN6

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QmQkFs

this one's $64 overbudget but 7800XT

[cyan ravine]

Max 1080p
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tX3PjH

[plucky timber]

wtf

$279 gpu?

even got a 7600 and ddr5

banger pc

[cyan ravine]

I can do better

If aliexpress is an option
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jvm934

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805937115185.html

That's as good as it gets but no more compromising

$500 you'd do amd 5600/5500 +5700xt

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MzWkFs

This^

Hotbox but it works

Could jump to a nicer case for 10 bucks

Meh, 10 or 15-ish

[plucky timber]

That is legit a xbox series x

[cyan ravine]

Kinda

Lacks RT

Xbox also has unified mem

[plucky timber]

the massive pc library kinda makes up for it tho

better looking games or more games

[cyan ravine]

The 6750 list will stay capped on most 1080p games for a while out

[plucky timber]

also more upgradable

could always get a 7800x3d

[cyan ravine]

Sure

[plucky timber]

and even a full system upgrade can still make use of the ddr5

assuming that ddr will still be standard form factor

[cyan ravine]

Imo the 6750 list is about where I'd stop nowadays for just plain good

Or 7900 gre with an oled for overkill

Things over that...like

It's great but

Roi is so low

[plucky timber]

you really can't beat that 6750XT in value

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[plucky timber]

$279

it's how cards should be priced

but no covid had to ruin all that

[cyan ravine]

There's a reason the 6750 is one of my favourite cards of all time

Time and time again it proves itself

[plucky timber]

unironically destroying the low end

does new low end even exist anymore?

[cyan ravine]

It's just too hard to justify against these other choices

You make a really clear compromise

[plucky timber]

I remember when the 1660 super was under $300

where did the low end go

[cyan ravine]

It grew legs mate

[odd venture]

Yeah so, guess what.

That kit arrived today, installed it. It ran immediately without issue at 5600 MHz. I didn't even change anything in BIOs.

It just immediately booted at 5600

[mossy venture]

that is the jedec speed

which much worse timings

and will negatively affect performance

[odd venture]

The JEDEC speed is 4800?

Memory Standard DDR5 1R 4800 (by JEDEC & POR)

[mossy venture]

if its booting at a speed other than xmp it's running at a jedec spped

[dusky hearth]

Unless they had it enabled in the bios already, and for whatever reason it was happy with booting without a CMOS reset and didn't shut off xmp?

Oh
The replied to kit is rated for 7200

[odd venture]

It's rated for 7200, so XMP should be 7200.

JEDEC should be 4800.

Boot at 5600 though.

maybe my mobo is automatically adjusting it based on some sort of internal firmware capability

[dusky hearth]

There are usually multiple jedec speeds
Ddr4 for example has like 6 jedec specified speeds or smth around that

[odd venture]

Ah okay

5600 is likely single rank JEDEC

[sick parcel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gKwLt7 can someone help me get a video card for not that much for this build

and cpu cooler

not sure if i need one

i have a operating system already

[spiral hull]

https://www.newegg.com/p/1JW-001M-00H00

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C72vTY

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yyJgXL/asrock-challenger-d-arc-a750-8-gb-video-card-a750-cld-8go

[sick parcel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q4648d/asus-geforce-gt-1030-2gb-video-card-gt1030-2g-csm

would that one work

[plucky timber]

uh

You might as well get a cpu with an igpu

[plucky timber]

Do you already have the build

[sick parcel]

wym

[plucky timber]

Do you already have the parts?

[sick parcel]

no

[plucky timber]

I'd say swapping out the 5600 for a 5600g would be your best bet

Probably outperforms a 1030

What's your use case?

[sick parcel]

whats my what

im new to this stuff

[plucky timber]

what do you use the pc for?

[sick parcel]

gaming and streaming

[plucky timber]

Ok uh

You probably want something a lot better than a 1030

What's your budget?

[sick parcel]

like 500

[plucky timber]

ehhhhh

[sick parcel]

i can go higher if i need to

[plucky timber]

You might want to look around for cheap gpus

You can do a good build for $500

But you'll have to go gpu hunting

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MzWkFs

[plucky timber]

It has bios flashback

[sick parcel]

?

[plucky timber]

You can flash the bios without a compatible cpu

[sick parcel]

so i dont need to worry about that

[plucky timber]

Yeah

[sick parcel]

okay

[plucky timber]

You have to flash the bios manually tho

So just remember that

And also remember to hunt for a gpu

5700XTs could be found under $200

But prices aren't fixed

[sick parcel]

okay

[sick parcel]

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-XT-DisplayPort-Architecture-RX5700/dp/B0DC4JTVRB/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.FiXXGjKVzkJ4wSOt30TK8YaKLOR2IHaGRL2mv5KFMcqXTpC8m3qVklCjRQU8Gv3KU56U8mexTU1Mmf3x1UaxJdoepTPfI-y6Relhz-u6vilFlJCratukQyzbGjC5C7BOkB7UXp0gFI_9sqpvzjU92TlOJOweGvwc9UG2ncAafaVs8uzZSz1ZTzOoGnmM-7nQ2-d2vpojZ0WIQHNTC7vYw1wqC0S1fMaJTkwnWDee1l4.dAPBb98tNmBbndUT-USe19OxNm3oKbhJmJRaF_naiWo&dib_tag=se&keywords=AMD+Radeon+RX+5700+XT&qid=1725224334&sr=8-1

like that one

[plucky timber]

Yeah sure

As long as you could afford it

[sick parcel]

okay

[spiral hull]

i would still get the 12400f with the beefy refurbished mobo

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jYXKYN

https://www.newegg.com/p/1JW-001M-00H00

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226178813677?_nkw=5700xt&itmmeta=01J6QQWR2D63METXSVKNC1NZ7K&hash=item34a94eceed:g:GwgAAOSwwlNmYHZt&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAAwHoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKkcPKZbJVhvMQeaEp%2BRl2Lgmg5dgD0o69o1tp--PvxrlIf7mzYwJ9l74MDkwZE1hJ9p%2BqZXo7YVmgHJaQENtutrgumlLN%2Fi9oBBRArjnCtEThseMR2BMP5d6GIgqeiPXBuukWgJAOZleYtHE94eEsVcM2K9R5v5Vf3cSb%2Bm7l4WUYgiwpsEcJgBadDCWDNbP%2BCIlHRq9CQL0tHuTMJir9u5uoy09SMrtEjHM8ia4dx7%2FA%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR6KB8_e1ZA

just under 500

[plucky timber]

You don't need an aftermarket cooler

It's a locked cpu

[spiral hull]

the stock cooler sucks so much

it throtteled my 12100f

[plucky timber]

It is sufficient

[spiral hull]

its so loud too

im not letting anyone go through the torture called the intel stock cooler

[plucky timber]

Idea

Hear me out

12600KF

Ok nvm that's way above $500

[spiral hull]

yea

i mean you could do the assasin x

but then if you ever wanna upgrade to a better cpu (on lga 1700) you need a new cooler

bc intel makes so much heat ;ccc

[plucky timber]

Yeah that's why I kept the cooler

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q84xXk

Here's a $600 list for reference

Just to give the guy more options

[sick parcel]

okay thx

[jagged ember]

Again, stock cooler is fine

It's just loud

[potent portal]

It's fine assuming the case has enough airflow

Anything with a solid front panel will likely choke it

[mossy venture]

Could grab 7500f off aliexpress to do a better mobo

[mossy venture]

Imo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M2WN34

[sick parcel]

okay thx

for the help

[lament moat]

I am building a ryzen 7 7800x3d paired with the radeon 7800xt with 64gb of ddr5 ram clocked at 6200MHz. Case is the darkflash ds900 cpu cooled by the lian galahad 2 360mm.

Total build cost $1,935.35 with a few extra stuff (cable mods and custom keybord mods) how well do you guys think I did?

(Fist pc I will have built myself)

[crimson zinc]

Put it in a pc part picker list

[tawny violet]

Using an AIO for a 7800X3D is purely aesthetic you know that right?

(It's a complete waste of money)

[lament moat]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wH9f34

[lament moat]

I like the aesthetic plus I wanted to future proof myself.

[tawny violet]

You can get a better performing air cooler for less...

[lament moat]

Like I said I liked the aesthetic of this one that's why I picked it

[tawny violet]

The better GPU you can get with the money you saved

that 200 bucks you spend on the AIO could get you a 7900 GRE (or even XT with a good deal)

[lament moat]

🤷‍♂️eh I like the 7800xt

[tawny violet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j4DDBL
This is a significantly better list for that sort of money

But even if you choose the weaker GPU

at least don't use 4×16gb

just get a 2×32 kit of RAM

you give up a significant amount of performance and stability otherwise

There are even dummy ram sticks with lights for aestheticfs

[lament moat]

Yea, I did go with 2 sets of 32 lol

[tawny violet]

2 sticks, not 4

you want 2 sticks each with 32gb

not 4 sticks of 16 each

[lament moat]

Ok

[mossy venture]

4 sticks of ram you'd be lucky to run at 5600mhz

Overspending on your aio and storage and understanding on gpu

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HpB8n6

[runic cedar]

Anyone here who could help me buy a new pc for my gf? We already own a GPU or rather 2 older ones, one 1660 gtx and one rx 5500, we just need a ddr4 based system that wont break the bank but also dont want to cheap out on a PSU

We live in germany btw

Im thinking ryzen 5 5600 for the CPU

And 16GB of G.skill aegis for the ram

Its what Im currently using paired with a 6600, a supernova 750 W gold

[mossy venture]

What's the total budget for the new build?

And is wifi needed or do you have ethernet access

This is just a rough idea, I used a 32gb kit with the idea that you can replace your ram with that, and give your gf the 16gb kit
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/893qcH

Cheaper list
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/9LtwN6

[sick parcel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sVVrTY this good or no

[crimson zinc]

Is this what you have?

Because if you’re trying to upgrade to it, no

[mossy venture]

Hard pass

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156235474812?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156164986742?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=92chrSivS8C&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[sick parcel]

no

im just trying to make it affordable so i can handle it

[mossy venture]

The gt 1030 will not run any semi modern games

Either of those pre builds would be miles better

Theyre an extra 8% off list price

$552 for that second one

This is a bit cheaper
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165837789556?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=FD6px4KaRcK&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

This is cheaper and still a lot better than the list you were looking at
https://www.ebay.com/itm/166941895180?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=FD6px4KaRcK&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[crimson zinc]

@sick parcel I’d get this personally

To stay closer to your total

[odd venture]

i'm a %^#*ing idiot.

I spent 2 hours wondering why my Win11 Canary USB ISO won't boot.

I downloaded the wrong architecture.

I finally looked at the ISO. It was ARM64

[languid nimbus]

God the 3060 has to be like 200x better than the 1030 lmao

[spiral hull]

nah

its only about 100x better

[potent portal]

The 1030 is below the minimum spec for many games from the last 5 years or so

It has so little vram some games refuse to start

And if you get the DDR4 version it's even worse

[strong raft]

heck, gets beat by 1GB models that came out 7 years before it.

[potent portal]

100 x 0 is still zero

[spiral hull]

yea ik the 3060 sucks

[potent portal]

I wouldn't use the TPU chart for this tbh, but fair point. You'd be better off getting a 980 ti for $75.

[strong raft]

This is definitely a lil more on point. It's great how far igpus have come, but makes the 1030 look... not fun.

[potent portal]

8700G would be even better

1030 was a scam from the start

[mossy venture]

I tried running warzone on a 1030

It wasn't very fun

[rough loom]

honestly the fact that the 5600g managed that is sorta impressive

Its potato quality hyper optimized battlefield but still

[spiral hull]

bonglefield*

[strong raft]

boomerfield, boogerfield, butterfield

[visual dawn]

Can someone help with a power problem? Computer specs are:
CPU: Intel Core i9-10900KF
Motherboard: ATX ASRock Z590 Steel Legend
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090
RAM: 32GB DDR4
Currently using EVGA Platinum 750W
Also I did plug in the information to newegg's power supply calculator and got a 800 to 899 watts, so I'm over the limits of my power units.

[odd venture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922893968998535168/1280640312896917595/MOV_0046.mp4?ex=66d8d0bb&is=66d77f3b&hm=9c74b38cde8fc6e9acf2a3a0a963a52d30081b495ee951b4d431c8c03c56a04d&

Up and running. :)

[visual dawn]

I apparently burnt a cord or a connection.

[odd venture]

Still need to mess with memory and get it optimized. I haven't even messed with it yet. It's still JEDEC.

[visual dawn]

I love that your build is changing for the music.

[odd venture]

The adventures of the guy who just discovered the capabilities of RGB.

(That's me)

Here's another, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/913946171679060068/1280678288288911411/MOV_0070.mp4?ex=66d8f419&is=66d7a299&hm=be4851161969adc7e8146f67ecfc236f59277356afd81ff4845290f1142d91c9&

I have it set to red when there's no sound, and blue when there is currently, this one is a mix of blue, cyan and white

[visual dawn]

I had to turn off my lighting it's so bright when I'm hunting dinos at night in Ark

[odd venture]

Idle

I have yet to get a good cpu cooler, a better cpu, gpu, and some other stuff, so it's not complete.

very happy with the result though

[visual dawn]

it's very nice. Just don't be like me and not calculate the power output. I may have gone over my power unit's limits. not sure what to get though. I was going to stick with EVGA since they are the most reliable brand

[odd venture]

Fal'Cie picked the RAM for me, so huge thanks for that

[odd venture]

Never a problem for me.

I always buy a ridiculously more power PSU than I need, like my PC 15 years ago, only ever used a max of 350 maybe 400 max watts and I had a 1000 Watt Corsair HX1000 in it.
I still have that PSU too, and it still works.

[visual dawn]

oh jeez! So even if you upgrade other components you didn't need to upgrade the PSU?

[odd venture]

This one has a Corsair RM1000x Shift

I replaced the PSU.

I wouldn't use an old PSU

[spiral hull]

the problem is you are pairing a 10900 with a 4090

[odd venture]

It wouldn't look right, and also the modular design of the older HX1000 everything is at the rear, and the Shift has everything on the side. Which is nice.

[visual dawn]

too much power?

[odd venture]

cpu bottleneck im guessing

[spiral hull]

whats your psu

[spiral hull]

yea

oh 750w

[visual dawn]

EVGA SuperNOVA 750 P2 220-P2-0750-X1 80+ PLATINUM 750W Fully Modular EVGA ECO Mode Includes FREE Power On Self Tester Power Supply

[spiral hull]

it should be fine

[odd venture]

wait the 10900 is a pretty nice cpu

[odd venture]

^

[spiral hull]

it still masively bottlenecks anything better than a 4070

[visual dawn]

yea it said it was capable

[spiral hull]

unless you play cyberpuke at ultra mega settings 4k

then its a good pair

[odd venture]

You should be well under 750 Watts still

[visual dawn]

does the cpu need upgraded? didn't think I was having uses with that.

[spiral hull]

there arent really upgrades for your current motherboard

so i woudnt upgrade it ye

t

[obsidian wigeon]

10900 is ok enough

assuming you won't run it on 1080p

because that'll be an issue and a waste of gpu power

also a 4090 can spike to like 500w+ iirc

that's why 10900kf+4090 can actually fully blast 750w

hate to say this but

get a new psu

850w or above

[visual dawn]

Thank you, I was lookin at 850W

but was also looking at 1600W, I guess they don't have much in between for EVGA?

[obsidian wigeon]

you don't need that much power

just 850w+

so that you won't load the psu up 100%

[mossy venture]

10900 is four generations old

Paired with a 4090 unless you play at 4k, you're 100% hitting a cpu bottleneck

[visual dawn]

really? I just got it in 2021?

[mossy venture]

The 10900 matches the 12600k in gaming

[visual dawn]

should i be upgrading my motherboard and cpu?

[golden delta]

Yo, I’m building a pc for the first time, cause my prebuilt got messed up, does anyone got some good startout specs I can get for a gaming PC

[visual dawn]

I like pcpartpicker and newegg now has their own pc builder. https://www.newegg.com/tools/custom-pc-builder

as for specs, what do you plan on doing with your pc?

[golden delta]

Just some gaming with friends, a little content creation here and there

I’m not trying to go insane with it

[stoic island]

What's your budget?

[golden delta]

1000-1600

If I need to I can try and raise it

By saving

But hopefully that

Or around it

[stoic island]

At a glance, probably 7800x3d with 7900xtx

[stoic island]

Do you live near a microcenter, and any specific games?

[spiral hull]

thats over 1600

[stoic island]

And what specifically for content creation? Video? Photo?

[stoic island]

Around 1500 generally, less if microcenter bundles are available

[spiral hull]

rn the 7800x3d prices are insane tho

[stoic island]

I remember making one with 7800x3d bundle for 1500 a bit ago

[spiral hull]

so its not 1500 generally

its 1500 minimum

[golden delta]

Video but nothing crazy high tech or advanced

[stoic island]

If microcenter is available, it can be cheaper

I'll look around and make an actual list in a bit

[spiral hull]

same

[golden delta]

I got a microcenter that’s abt 1/2 hour

About 12.5 miles

Think I go there for parts and things of baby sort?

[stoic island]

Microcenter is nice, lots of good deals

Lemme go check if 7600x3d bundles are actually available or not

Looks like not yet

[golden delta]

Okay

Well on my prebuilt I have some working parts

You think I sell them and reinvest

Or just reuse all together

[spiral hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xP23qR

yea get a microcenter bundle

and

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C3MC57D5

dont get this

[visual dawn]

Hey Mr1111, They are saying that my CPU is bottlenecked:
CPU: Intel Core i9-10900KF
Motherboard: ATX ASRock Z590 Steel Legend
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090
RAM: 32GB DDR4

What do you suggest I switch my CPU to? it looks like this is the highest my motherboard can go right?

[spiral hull]

the highest it goes to is the 11900

but that is not a good upgrade

[cyan ravine]

Hi Rabiez. Are you gaming at 4K

If no, then yes, all cpus bottleneck a 4090

[visual dawn]

I have no idea what I'm gaming at, lol.

[visual dawn]

I didn't think it was.

[cyan ravine]

What resolution is your monitor

[visual dawn]

2560x1440

[spiral hull]

oh its back to 110

deals over

[cyan ravine]

Yeah you're definitely kneecapping that 4090

Like, all cpus do, but that 10th gen will a lot

[spiral hull]

i would wait until arrow lake

to upgrade

[cyan ravine]

10900K caps out at about, 3090, 3090Ti-ish for proper gpu utility at 1440p

[golden delta]

Yeah I kinda made a thing on part picker. Can I get advice on things that may need changing

[cyan ravine]

Proper is also superlative

[golden delta]

Cause right now it’s about a grand

[cyan ravine]

Don't consider this fact for ALL games

[spiral hull]

ok

[golden delta]

I left out case and monitor cause I have some that still work

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[spiral hull]

umm

[golden delta]

Weird did it not save

[spiral hull]

click the link button

[cyan ravine]

@visual dawn I would suggest X3D for that system tbh

[golden delta]

Hollup

[spiral hull]

i would wait for the 9800x3d

[cyan ravine]

Keep the 10900kf tho, they're great

I wouldn't

Grab the sales while they're here

[spiral hull]

ik it wont be much better

[cyan ravine]

No

[golden delta]

My bad

[cyan ravine]

The sales are worth it

[golden delta]

Im a lil dumb

[spiral hull]

but the prices on the 7800x3d will drop

[cyan ravine]

It's not about platform difference

[golden delta]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dtcf6D

[spiral hull]

wdym sales its 420$ rn

[cyan ravine]

Won't

Yes the 7800x3d is

The others tho

Those are coming down

Nothing wrong with a 7900x3d or 7950x3d

[spiral hull]

why are you getting a new gpu

[golden delta]

Do I not need one???

[spiral hull]

you have a 4090?

[golden delta]

I have nothing valuable

[visual dawn]

I have the 4090

[spiral hull]

“nothing wrong with a 7900x3d” lol

[spiral hull]

oh shoot

i forgot

[golden delta]

Yeah I’m going pretty much from scratch

[spiral hull]

who im talking to

[golden delta]

You’re good bro

[visual dawn]

Not getting a new GPU was gettinga new PSU, but if I'm 4 gen old CPU.... maybe new CPU and apprently need a new mother board too?

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900KF
Motherboard: ATX ASRock Z590 Steel Legend
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090
RAM: 32GB DDR4
Currently using EVGA Platinum 750W

My PSU may have burnt a connection...having trouble starting up my computer daily. It was just tested today but they said the PSU failed the test. I can either get a new connection cord or new PSU

[spiral hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GpZLh3

[stoic island]

Something a little similar to this prob, 7800x3d prices did increase and 7600x3d isn't avaliable yet
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wZgsz6

[spiral hull]

better tbh

[stoic island]

links to the microcenter bundle

[spiral hull]

why not the asrock oc card

[cyan ravine]

Bruv doesn't look at charts clearly

[spiral hull]

its oc so has a better core

[stoic island]

honestly at this point I'd just deal with the PSU issue and not upgrade CPU yet

[visual dawn]

Asrock oc?

[visual dawn]

I was trying to decide which was better and what the difference was between https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-p3-220-p3-1000-x1-1000-w-80-plus-platinum-certified/p/N82E16817438228 and https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-1300-p-220-pp-1300-x1-1300-w-80-plus-platinum-certified/p/N82E16817438211

I think they are both compatible but the price difference makes me confused. such a huge leap

This is the upgrade to my current one: https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-850-p2-220-p2-0850-x1-850w/p/N82E16817438056?Item=9SIB8AKKCT9708&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

[stoic island]

clocks are the same as is, can MPT and whatever to it if they want to, I prefer xfx a little for warranty generally being a little better

[stoic island]

Both are relatively really old btw, not made anymore

[spiral hull]

good reason

[golden delta]

With that

[spiral hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rtD7YJ/adata-xpg-cybercore-1000-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cybercore1000-bkcus

god tier psu

130$

[golden delta]

Do I not need an operation system

[spiral hull]

umm

yes you do? but i dont need to put it on the list

bc you will install one either way

[stoic island]

cybercore is nice for the gentle typhoon in it lol

[visual dawn]

Isn't EVGA the best at PSU? Platinum and Titanium levels?

[obsidian wigeon]

not necessarily

[spiral hull]

no

[obsidian wigeon]

evga quit releasing new models

[stoic island]

Get a 16gb+ USB stick, you can download the windows installation media for free from any other laptop or PC, and installation is free, the only cost is activation, and you have many choices for whether or not to activate it, or getting a student discount or other discounted key or grey market key

[visual dawn]

ooh

[cyan ravine]

@visual dawn Right, 5 options. I recommend the first if it's just gaming
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dmPhYN
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W8hMBL
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bWpnbL
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8JdkKX
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dTg9BL

[spiral hull]

wrong guy?

[cyan ravine]

1, 2, 4, 5, just gaming

5 will get the best results

[obsidian wigeon]

i like 5 the most if i have to say

[cyan ravine]

3 will also but you can do workstation too

I kept the white aesthetic in mind

And you can just swap your cooler over

[visual dawn]

I'm a mix, gaming, video, workstation, emails, zoom, music, server

[cyan ravine]

10900k aio's are good enough to convert to current gen

[spiral hull]

nvm not weong guy

im stupid

[cyan ravine]

What workstation exactly

[stoic island]

Not really, in general P2 was a great line of PSUs, but in the end EVGA isn't even the OEM for the PSUs, there's always innovation in the tech space and newer platforms can boast better ripple, better voltage regulation, tighter protections, etc.

and of course, actually having new stock that hasn't been sitting around for 3 years

[cyan ravine]

I'll change my suggestion if it's serious enough workstation

[spiral hull]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2BBG3C/adata-xpg-cybercore-1300-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cybercore1300-bkcus

[visual dawn]

I do web design, graphic designs, video editing, video gaming, streaming (just for friends).

[spiral hull]

god tier 1300w

[cyan ravine]

Heavy editing?

[visual dawn]

Sometimes, depends what they want.

[cyan ravine]

Do you spend a lot of hours on it, do heavy bitrate h265?

Av1?

[visual dawn]

I've not done any 3D animation in years but I'm capable of it.

[cyan ravine]

Maybe facecam and raw?

I'm probing cos the value of spending for it may or may not be worth depending on your hours

[visual dawn]

Hours yes, but heavy loads is when I'm being a server for my friends while playing Ark.

[stoic island]

I remember seeing RM1000e for like $120 last time I was at microcenter, there may be other options that are cheaper in person

[cyan ravine]

Ah

Perfect

Server makes complete sense

Hold on give me a minute

Ok

Do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cxsppB

I beefed up the ram for your server allocation and video editing

[visual dawn]

I usually do hosting if my friends and I are gaming together since I'm the home built. Although it does concern me about the CPU bottleneck.

[cyan ravine]

You can run up to 4 cores on that

Then you can use process lasso (free program) to bind everything else you're not gaming with to the other 4

And then bind the game to the x3d corrs

[visual dawn]

ooh nice!

[cyan ravine]

This will, as best as possible, fix your "bottleneck"

Just a quick tl;dr, bottlenecks aren't the greatest way of explaining things, so I'd avoid the lingo

But the general take is yes, the 10900k is a "bottleneck" at 1440p

It'll drag yoyr gpu utility down in a large number of titles

Which should be pegged as high as possible

[spiral hull]

the cybercore is better

anyways

[cyan ravine]

X3D is very good in cpu bound scenarios at stretching it's legs

[stoic island]

ofc, but cheap

[spiral hull]

10$ cheaper

only

but you gotta get it off walmart

which sucks

[cyan ravine]

Now, you could wait for next gen, though that's your call. If nothing's broken rn, up to you

[visual dawn]

So what about using arrow lake or lunar lake? what is the diff between those two?

[spiral hull]

lunar is mobile chips

[visual dawn]

Yea nothing else is broken, I was considering just waiting. 4 cores sounds better than my two cores

[stoic island]

nothing that bad about a different retailer, but yea

[cyan ravine]

The early inference is next gen intel seems good. But it's pending future reviews

If you can wait, it may be worth

Imo tho, 7950x3d, it's enough for my 4090 lmao

[stoic island]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I'd wait to let newer generations come out with more noticeable gains

[visual dawn]

waiting is okay with me, I'll jump into windows 11 too. for now I'll save up

[cyan ravine]

I don't see myself wanting more, and 9000 series looks boring as hell

Yeah you'd need to go 11 for the scheduler

Forgot to mention that mb

But you should be able to take out the am4 bracket from your aio

Then slap it on the am5 board

It will just work

And a 360mm aio which I assume you have, more than enough for that chip

(Every 10900k owner had a 360mm lol)

[visual dawn]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-ddr4-3200/p/N82E16820232748?Item=N82E16820232748 ?

[cyan ravine]

But waiting for 9000 X3D I kinda don't see a huge appeal in it. Everyone is talking about a clock gain over last gen, when the IPC jump is small if negligible

So I don't see it being really better imo

[cyan ravine]

Nah I wouldn't bump the ram up rn

If you can wait, wait, if you want to upgrade, do the whole thing imo

[visual dawn]

not bumping it, I think it's doing well there too

Then I'll just bump all of it up when it's time.

[cyan ravine]

Ye

For next gen intel you may need a new cooler

It depends on your current one

And which sku you pick

[stoic island]

If they can somehow solve the cooling and get to overclocking x3d chips, the gains could be fun

[cyan ravine]

BCLK OC says otherwise sadly

Temps on X3D aren't a problem anymore, it's just a matter if they even crack another 500mhz

Which in reality won't do much more than 10% in ideal case scenarios

10% would be acceptable if it was for all

But bclk of 200MHz on 7800x3d is only 3%

So

I'm really not expecting much lol

[stoic island]

I dunno, I still think there's a chance they can push out higher clocks and higher performance just with higher ratios, but I'm still under the assumption that it still has to do with cooling the cores themselves

[cyan ravine]

500MHz + average gain on 9000 you might see 8%-ish

Is what I can see

Which is like

Half a gen upgrade

[visual dawn]

https://www.newegg.com/nzxt-liquid-cooling-system-kraken-z/p/N82E16835146069?Item=N82E16835146069 I hope not, I really like my cooler

[cyan ravine]

Then they'll charge the full price

So it doesn't seem appealing to me

[stoic island]

I guess hold out for IF upgrades?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

IF will be enormous

If they fixed the reorder buffer on 9000 it might be a massive jump

[stoic island]

wonder if we're going to get to a point where each core can't be improved anymore and it's just the uncore

[cyan ravine]

Yeah that one would warrant a swap unfortunately

Old nzxt is kinda meh

[stoic island]

normal old asetek

[cyan ravine]

You'd need an adapter too I'm pretty sure

Well pump aside, it's the coldplate

[visual dawn]

Jeez my computer is only 3 years old.

[cyan ravine]

Poor shape for lga 1851/1700

[stoic island]

Pump isn't good, coldplate isn't good, radiator isn't good, nuff said

[cyan ravine]

It would do a core 5 ultra I would think

But core 7, core 9? Given intel of late, doubt

That kraken wouldn't do a 13700K that well so

[visual dawn]

It's been running on i9

[cyan ravine]

Ya

[stoic island]

(core ultra is the new intel branding, no more i5 i7 i9)

[cyan ravine]

But the shape is the thing

The newer chips have a whole different shape, elongated, and the pressure spread is different

So contact isn't nearly as good

So the best way to say thjs

You know 330W right?

Your max draw on the 10900kf

It won't be that much on say, 13700k, 14900k

It'd be more like

250W?

Maybe even less

200W

And the cpu is throttling hard

The shape isn't a good fit for current gen high end intel

That's why I put a cooler in for the 13700k list

Cos the older coolers don't really all cut it

I think the only one that still does from the z590 era is ek elite

Other than that they're all pretty meh at best

It's the coldplate shape, it's changed dramatically from all brands in the last few years

[stoic island]

did LF2 do well with Intel? I forgot

[cyan ravine]

No

Lf3 is worse than it too

[stoic island]

unfortunate

[cyan ravine]

Here's a quick piece of perspective for ya

A $35 air cooler

Thermalright phantom spirit

Cools more heat than a 360mm aio from the z490 era

[visual dawn]

Which one is LF?

[cyan ravine]

Tom's hardware has a review that I love to quote from this

It beats a h150i elite

And that was one of the good ones from back then lol

[cyan ravine]

Liquid freezer ii/iii

We're on iii now lol

[visual dawn]

hmm, but isn't a liquid cooler better than air coolers if you are in a hot environment?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

The thing is tho

When there's good contact

Is my whole point

The older aios just don't have good contact to the newer gen intel

So you end up with low wattage, overheating and poor performance

Or rather, not great

Poor isn't the right word

https://www.thermalright.com/product/frozen-edge-360-white/

^This is $60

Beats almost everything out there rn

Hangs with the best

So if you want an early jump on a good cooler for next gen, consider this

[stoic island]

everyone else too slow to innovate to compete

and also too expensive

[cyan ravine]

Have a watch of this
https://youtu.be/MPQ-UvavT8Q

Watch the laser scanner section closely to see what thermalright does that's just plain better

Then watch this

https://youtu.be/iYU1OskbY-Q

This explains a lot of detail how poor contact from the current socket leads to poor cooling

[visual dawn]

Thank you! I'll try watching them

[cyan ravine]

It's a tango situation - both the socket and the coolers were slow to adapt

Hey np

Happy to share a few things for learning

Put it this way, if you found like a

Updated coldplate for that kraken

The copper bit that sits over the cpu

And slapped that on

It would do just fine

That's how novel the problem is

And because of that, warrants a $60 cooler change if you go new intel high end lol

[visual dawn]

Well I was considering just doing a full upgrade for the lunar lake, windows 11 and 4 core motherboard.

[cyan ravine]

The core 5 ultras, provided that intel lives up to the hype, would be fine under the kraken

The core 7 or core 9 tho, hard to say but I really doubt it from a mechanical perspective

It's just the contact

If that coldplate had good contact it'd have no problem

[visual dawn]

currently using a i9, currently my cpu is sitting at 97 to 109 F

[cyan ravine]

Ye

I used to have a 10850k

I love those i9's, they're great

But even myself

When I went to next gen, my 12900kf was throttling at 150w on my old ek aio

(not the elite another one)

The cpu had curved from the socket, and the cooler didn't have a coldplate shape suitable for that

It was designed prior to new gen, so I needed to change it

On a new gen cooler, I maxed it out

318W, I could keep it under 95C

360mm vs 360mm, go figure

The pump wasn't any better, it was just the coldplate

In fact I think the alphacool pump is a bit worse than the ek one

If I'm not mistaken

☠️☠️

Nikki back

I know you reading these anyway so it's still funny

[spiral hull]

17 blocked messages what happened

[cyan ravine]

He's deleting the convo 💀💀

[visual dawn]

So much to take in...