building-and-recc-chat

[jagged ember]

the mobo audio drivers i'm just makin sure the base audio drivers themselves aren't currently borked

ignore unpairing for now

also @lone flame do only have your headphones paired to your computer? no other bluetooth devices?

[lone flame]

uhh

yes

let me go try drivers

audio drivers

[jagged ember]

sure

if it doesnt work, you can try

Turning on airplane mode and then removing from settings again

[lone flame]

i think i installed audio drivers correctly

and it

did not fix anything

surprise surprise

[jagged ember]

dang

well that's one issue out of the picture at least

you can try removing them with airplane mode on

if that fails, hit Win+R on the keyboard, type services.msc, hit OK, locate Device Association Service, right click and hit restart. Then try removing it in settings.

[dusky hearth]

had to steal it from the weg

yard

[jagged ember]

nAUUR

[lone flame]

honestly i think i just give up idk what to do

[jagged ember]

did the services thing not work

Open control panel through windows search, going to hardware and sound, right clicking your bluetooth headphones and choose remove device.

[karmic crest]

Before I start building should I get anti static gloves?

[jagged ember]

eh

maybe a wrist strap if you're really paranoid about it

gloves idk how those even work lmao

you mean like those lil finger cots you can put on each finger?

the finger condoms

just dont constantly shuffle your feet while wearing socks standing on carpet

handle the components by their edges if you can if you are worried but static discharge killing components is pretty rare

[karmic crest]

These

https://a.co/d/aGr0qps

No image?

[jagged ember]

nope

wtffff BRO

those are GARDENING GLOVES

[karmic crest]

Why they be showing on the results lol

[jagged ember]

amazon is becoming a marketplace for garbage products

that's why

they don't check what they're selling half the time

only recently got a verbal warning to stop selling literally harmful products

harmful/dangerous

stupid ftc

[karmic crest]

So no gloves basically?

[jagged ember]

DO YA JOB STOP HOUNDING SMALL COMPANIES WHO CAN'T FIGHT BACK-

don't need gardening gloves to build a pc lol

I can promise you that

ohh man that's funny gardening gloves as anti-static gloves

[burnt dawn]

yo

[jagged ember]

thats probably the funniest thing i'll see today

[burnt dawn]

i handle this $800 GPU on a carpet and no anti static gloves or whatever

[jagged ember]

yeah static is basically not an issue at all lol

[burnt dawn]

it works fine in my pc.

[jagged ember]

but again, if you're absolutely paranoid about it buy anti-static wrist straps, ground it to a metal screw on your plugged in psu

Or just like

touch a metal screw on your psu when its plugged in for a free anti-static measure

or just a metal piece on the outer casing

[burnt dawn]

I don't know if it works but if you think you built up static, just find a wall outlet and touch the metal screws.

[jagged ember]

it might idk

i know the psu one works for sure

[burnt dawn]

a teacher in tech university told me that so that take with little grain of salt

[jagged ember]

As in plug psu into wall when you build

use it as your anti-static thing

just go touch a doorknob bro

oh and of course the gardening gloves are sold by JM-FUHAND

next to their rival, KM-FUHAND

and their partner LM-FUHAND

[dusky hearth]

Good thing the day ended less than 2 hours later

[weak flint]

bro what

thats the dumbest advice ever

[jagged ember]

Well it's better than sticking a fork into the outlet to discharge static

[weak flint]

its no different unless your outlet has protection (those plastic stuff that come into the plug when its not in use)

[dusky hearth]

That unironically probably would work fine assuming the screw isn't painted over
Usually that screw is grounded

In fact, some devices rely on it for ground

That is how Japanese plugs works

You literally use a spade connector on the screw to get a ground connection

Idk why japan uses NEMA 1-15 connectors as standard

All of NA uses NEMA 5-15 as standard

Which is the type with a ground prong

It is extra helpful if you use a metal cover though because those are all grounded

Aka do not put a paperclip into the hot side of the receptacle and touch the paperclip on the outlet cover or else you'll weld it onto the cover

Someone did that at school and got in big trouble

[weak flint]

dont see why your hand wouldnt just short to the none protected electrical connections in the socket itself

[dusky hearth]

you arent sticking your finger inside?

[weak flint]

electricity jumps

ig thats also gotta do with the electrical design aswell

doubt current doing anything with a spark but wouldnt see why 240V wouldnt spark

its pretty close anyways

[weak flint]

why is the outlets back painted

[dusky hearth]

front

parents didnt take out the recepticles while the walls were being painted years ago so paint got on the metal

wall plates were taken off though

[weak flint]

yeah we dont have the same outlets no clue what im looking at

[dusky hearth]

that is a specifically gfci outlet so it's extra chonky, but the scre there is for grounding, and is bonded to where the recepticle screws into the wall, and the wall plate screws into that same place

so assuming you have a metal gang box, you will have a grounded box, then a grounded receptacle, which also grounds the metal wall plate, or at least just the wall plate screws

Grounded proof

[weak flint]

the point im tryna make is that theres a possibility your hand will just short to the actual output rather than the screw

[dusky hearth]

not really? unless you got really really really thin fingers

beyond humany thin

[weak flint]

what

im saying it'll arc

what r u sayin

[dusky hearth]

it wont arc to your fingers

💀

even if it's 240v

[weak flint]

why not

[dusky hearth]

because of resistance

[cyan ravine]

What if the electricity is just really attracted to ur genes

[dusky hearth]

pretty much the only way to shock yourself with 120 or 240v normally is by actually touching something that is energized

[dusky hearth]

💀

[cyan ravine]

Or you get nervous around hot electricity's company and start cold sweatin

[weak flint]

thats why i said

ig thats also gotta do with the electrical design aswell

[dusky hearth]

design what

[cyan ravine]

Don't handhold the multimeter with them sweaty palms

[weak flint]

idk if the outlet is also connected to the light

[dusky hearth]

wdym by that

[cyan ravine]

What if you need to follow procedure and kiss the outlet at the end of the first date

[weak flint]

how do i explain this

[dusky hearth]

do not pee on electrical outlets

[cyan ravine]

What if they want tongue bro

[weak flint]

basically outlet and light are connected to one another

[cyan ravine]

I'm not ready

[dusky hearth]

like, a lamp? that still wont really change anything about it

still the main way to get shocked is by accidentally touching the metal prongs

[cyan ravine]

The screws are a ground point btw, grounds are by physical principle electrical "drains" i.e it pulls electricity to discharge into it

[dusky hearth]

which is a problem with NA outlets because the prongs get energized before being fully inserted, but that has nothing to do with the screws being ground

[muted patio]

Except they're covered with a non-conductive paint.

[weak flint]

no? it depends on the outlet, on others its the two thingies

[dusky hearth]

yeah i mentioned that

[cyan ravine]

Same thing if you touch something metal like a chair or the keyhole in a door

[cyan ravine]

Well, when they aren't, lol

[cyan ravine]

The two thingies....

[dusky hearth]

here

[cyan ravine]

[weak flint]

the two on top and bottom

[dusky hearth]

those are ground as well

hot and neutral are in the holes

[cyan ravine]

Those don't exist in my country

Plugs are very different here unless you do really high amperage

[weak flint]

and the screw ones dont exist in mine

lol

[cyan ravine]

I mean

They should

The screws into the wall

[dusky hearth]

in yours, you can just touch the prongs and you'll be grounded

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[muted patio]

Also, it is electrical code that metal boxes aren't used as housings in houses

[weak flint]

these just fit into it

[cyan ravine]

It needs to secure to the wall somehow

[weak flint]

oh you mean that

yeah you put a cover around it

[cyan ravine]

Screws are pretty standard

Yes but some have uncovered screws

[dusky hearth]

i see it used in most houses tbh
though they're mostly like '80s houses so maybe it was changed after

[cyan ravine]

You can touch those as a ground

[weak flint]

what are we even talking about now

[cyan ravine]

Grounds

[cyan ravine]

This

[muted patio]

Not in the US you shouldn't. NEC hasn't allowed that for many years, if ever.

[cyan ravine]

The prof ain't really wrong

[dusky hearth]

im in canada so it's probably different/was different

[cyan ravine]

Ye new outlets you have full plastic protection

Here anyway

[weak flint]

i doubt plugs in canada having the plastic protection

[cyan ravine]

I'm not canadian

[dusky hearth]

i can definitely see why you wouldnt want metal gang boxes though lmfao

[cyan ravine]

But yeah you're unlikely to be conductive to 240v unless you really go out of your way to endanger yourself

Humans aren't conductive with electricity to a point

If you work with high voltage you absolutely are prone to a zappers

☠️

[dusky hearth]

only worry about arcing at like 480v, that's when arc flash hazards are likely going to occur

but that's also a different situation because that's because there's a load on the other side of a switch

[weak flint]

again doubt current has to do anything with arcs

[dusky hearth]

it does

[cyan ravine]

Current is physically related

It's the movement of said voltage (charge)

Need to sorta break this down a bit

Say it's a 480v charge

Copper has extremely low resistance to transit the power over it

Takes very little energy loss in the process

You try and do that same thing over air and you're met with extremely high resistance

Electricity doesn't normally want to do that

In order to meet that resistance demand to create the arc, given voltage is constant, current needs to be really, really high

All in relation to ohm's law

[dusky hearth]

i think saying energy loss is kinda wrong? because technically speaking, there's no energy loss; just that electrical energy was converted into thermal energy, but that's just kinda being pedantic lmfao

[cyan ravine]

This is also why arcs and lightning is brief

[cyan ravine]

There's always energy loss

It's just considered negligible

This is why you have transformers on long distance electricity in substations, step up and step down, to quite literally "Refresh" the amount of charge over the line

It's not a lot, but when you talk hundreds of miles, and hundreds of thousands of MW of power, it's significant

Energy entropy is a physical effect on all things in the universe

[dusky hearth]

also arcing is just electrical current through a gaseous medium, as opposed to some solid or liquid

[cyan ravine]

The only way you can get near 0 energy loss is to use a superconductor

Again, knowing the loss is nearly negligible anyway

[dusky hearth]

true

[cyan ravine]

Takes a huge amount of energy to create an arc tho

And that energy (Consider it in joules if you prefer) is compensated by a mass excitement of the electrons (Current)

And is completely unsustainable

Lightning is a culmination of both *voltage and current, triggered from high nitrogen atmosphere content, which leads to lots of literal in-air friction

[dusky hearth]

unrelated but every time i go past a certain street that i wont name that is somewhat close to where i live, i see somebody's sprinkler spraying onto the on ground transformer and i'm like 💀

technically safe but still lmfao

[cyan ravine]

Lol

"I paid for the weatherproofing with my taxes"

"I'm gonna use all the waterproofing"

[dusky hearth]

real

[cyan ravine]

Fun fact btw

[muted patio]

I cannot believe there is an actual conversation about sticking your fingers near an electrical outlet to discharge electricity. Don't.

[weak flint]

theres a thingy in iran thats meant for this

not sure if it works or not but yeah

[cyan ravine]

Normally involves a lightning rod

[weak flint]

bro i can arc with my hands

wym

[cyan ravine]

Bro just joined the x-men

[weak flint]

and i know that arc is very close but your hand in a outlet is also very close

[cyan ravine]

To even travel a couple of mm, an arc requires a crap ton of energy

As it needs to jump through the atmosphere rather than a conductive wire

[weak flint]

so your telling me you have never touched a object and gotten a static electricity discharge?

its an arc basically

[cyan ravine]

Yes I know what that is

It's still a really really energy dense phenomena

[weak flint]

theres gotta be some random study on this thing

[cyan ravine]

It's a high school physics subject

Lol

[weak flint]

touching outlets?

breh

[cyan ravine]

No

Arcs

[weak flint]

yeah but specifically talking about outlets

[cyan ravine]

Oh I wouldn't know about that

Playing with fire whoever that scientist is

[weak flint]

braker will pop

nothing too dangerous i suppose

[cyan ravine]

Yeah no I think we're all too smart as a society to be messing around like that

💀

[burnt dawn]

enters build chat expecting cool tech discussion going, all i hear is electricity and Edisons here

[cyan ravine]

It's fairly easy to estimate how much voltage you're discharging in a static shock

What the

☠️

[weak flint]

VancdeGraaff machine with chain of children connected is crazy

[cyan ravine]

Like trolley problem levels of weirdness

[dusky hearth]

what is the voltage of an average

[cyan ravine]

I missed that

[analog hearth]

A hospital-type defibrillator

[weary galleon]

Vs an AED I guess

[mortal prairie]

Can someone help me with an issue through dms please 🙏. Having an issue getting power to pc after just building it

[dusky hearth]

not dms

just ask here

[burnt dawn]

I wonder if its perfectly ok to run secondary to 144hz

cause last time i ran multiple monitors with Nvidia gpu, it was acting weird

playing Videos on VLC were laggy as hell

[mossy venture]

I've been fine with up to three monitors at different resolutions and refresh rates

On a 3060 ti

Ofc thats not to say your issues didn't happen, it's a very well documented issue

[burnt dawn]

Gotcha I'm now on 7900XT

should be fine yeah?

[mossy venture]

@cyan ravine

Any known issues with 7000 series with multi monitors?

[weary galleon]

Probably more likely to have Windows issues than hardware tbh

[bitter zinc]

I just built a new pc. I connected my hdmi to the gpu and the pc turned on but it was a black screen. I plugged the hdmi to the mobo and I can get to the bios. Any tips or ideas on why that is?

[potent portal]

You can set the graphics priority setting to dGPU and it should work right

Assuming the GPU is installed properly

(I've forgtten the power cables before when swapping)

[bitter zinc]

Gpu is on and fans running

[vale epoch]

The 7900xt and xtx apparently used to consume a lot of power when hooked up to multiple monitors at idle, a driver update fixed that, and also can depend on the monitor from my personal experience for example i used to have an msi monitor that would get my 7900xt to consume a lot of power at idle when freesync wasn’t on, but my current dell g2724d which i got after returning the msi doesn’t do so

[mossy venture]

I do appreciate the info but that isn't quiet what I was asking abt

[vale epoch]

Ok looks like its still quite high

https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/s/ISA9vY8uxO

[mossy venture]

Yeah they are high compared to novideo

Personally idgaf about idle power use

My pc is off if it's not under heavy load 90% of the time

"Heavy load" being used loosely

[cyan ravine]

@burnt dawn fine as anything else would be, as long as you use matching vblank rate (refresh rate) monitors in a perfect ratio, otherwise you can induce the high idle power glitch

So what I mean by this, is the refresh rate is either identical or numbered to a perfect multiple of the other monitor

So 144/72

240/120

Or 144/144

That sort of thing

[burnt dawn]

Okay i got 3 monitors
main is 165
second 144
third 75h

[cyan ravine]

Run two of them at 144 and the third at 72

Improves your odds of no high idle

Though if this even matters is a separate question - if you mind your gpu not really in idle state or not

Instead of like, 40W idle, it could spike to something like 110W

It's kind of a glitch, some cases it's not

Since you're pulling so much bandwidth you induce the card to run in a higher PL state than idle

As idle just isn't capable

I thought I'd introduce it however as a "Glitch" so it's something you can find with google

Cos a lot of people label it that way

Sometimes it does happen on very simple layouts with low bandwidth, other times...you can find people complaining that it's high when they have 1 or more high refresh 4K screens, which is not a glitch at all

Apart from that wall of text, nothing I can otherwise recall

[burnt dawn]

I see

eh I am not complaining if i keep it 165 60 60

[mossy venture]

That's not what felix was saying

[burnt dawn]

I mean i am ok keeping it 165 for main and second and third to 60 hz to be on safe bet of not having higher PL state instead of idle wattage

[cyan ravine]

Not what I was saying

[burnt dawn]

Oh. ok.

Apologies for not understanding then

[cyan ravine]

It needs to be in a ratio if you want to reduce the odds

You're fine, I ramble

Lol

So the short end is it should follow a ratio

So if your main and secondary are 144, the tertiary should be 72

[stoic island]

120/120/60 might be easier since they would usually have those as one of the defaults

[cyan ravine]

Which means for every 2 frames on the first two, the other third will spit out one

Think of it like all the hands on a clock, ticking in a matching step

Or 3 clocks if you will

The *7900xt can then tick to one tune, instead of 3 out of step

Nvidia this generation is a lot better at running multi-monitor in idle state, it doesn't need this necessarily as long as the idle has the bandwidth

It can however have the same issue on their side, but matching the hz of each monitor in ratios isn't as strictly necessary

[burnt dawn]

Yeah my last Nvidia gpu threw a fit, by video being laggy. Fixed it at set Hz and it went away

im sure we had this convo awhile ago

[cyan ravine]

All comes down to how much bandwidth the gpu needs to pull

Oh maybe

[dusky hearth]

just run headless frfr

[cyan ravine]

I have a LOT of convos lol

[burnt dawn]

4070ti

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm

Maybe, memory foggy lol

[burnt dawn]

i was complaining that VLC player showed being laggy and I uploaded a video I think

and you and other guys said set it to 144 or matching sets something

it was fixed

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm

I really don't recall this, maybe I was there idk

Oh man, almost 2 years ago

Yeah that could be why

Lol

I wasn't there

[dusky hearth]

lmfao

was the 4070 ti really almost 2 years ago

[cyan ravine]

Nah it was just yesterday man

[crimson zinc]

If someone wanted a cheap($200), but still custom build, what would you guys put together?

[dusky hearth]

hmm

probably an optiplex and a gpu

or similar

[potent portal]

Something used with a ryzen 1600 or something

It would be upgradeable pretty easily offering significantly better performance later

[dusky hearth]

hmm

true

[crimson zinc]

Could you put together a small parts list for it? @potent portal

Like 450w PSU and cheap 256gb nvme+hdd

[potent portal]

It wouldn't be a parts list, you'd have to get lucky looking on ebay, fbm, craigslist, etc for complete systems

[crimson zinc]

Hmmm.

[violet nexus]

What are some good gaming laptops. I’m looking for smth that can handle games like League of Legends, Val, or games like Sons of The Forest, or Cult of the Lamb. Diverse games. Nothing too high def but definitely not terrible

[obsidian wigeon]

what's your budget? are you in the us?

[violet nexus]

Us 2000 lower

[obsidian wigeon]

honestly all you need is around 1k but sure

lemme find something

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-tuf-15-6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-with-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-1tb-ssd-mecha-grey/6573673.p

boom

[violet nexus]

The best!

Thank you

[obsidian wigeon]

you might wanna upgrade ram but that's basically it

[cyan ravine]

Easy enough to do

Iirc there's not really any warranty stickers to stop you doing that either

[dusky hearth]

In most first world countries at the very least

[brittle tinsel]

not sure if this is normal but just realized that my Revolution D.F. 850W shipped with a 10 amp power cord (outlet to psu) but it says it takes 6-12amps. Why wouldnt they ship it with a 12 amp wire?

[potent portal]

It's unlikely that your 850W power supply will exceed 1200W (120V x 10A) and even if it did it wouldn't be for long enough to melt that cable

So for the reason why they wouldn't ship a thicker cable, it's purely for cost savings of a few cents per unit they ship, and a thicker cable wouldn't affect it at all anyway.

[mortal prairie]

Can anyone help with a power issue through dms? Not able to send pics on here. Rgbs flicker for a split second after turning psu switch on and nothing else comes on. Power button doesn’t do anything either

[cyan ravine]

First half of that is normal for some power supplies (If not a lot), second half...probably something else

[dusky hearth]

Do you have you power button hooked up properly

[runic spruce]

And also check if all the psu cables r in the right places

[maiden mica]

My cable burned

Should I get a new cable

[dusky hearth]

yes
but what cable

what cable burned

[maiden mica]

Power cable

[dusky hearth]

well

that's certainly concerning

like, mains power cable?

[maiden mica]

Oh?

Yeah

[dusky hearth]

howw tf

[maiden mica]

Three pronged

[dusky hearth]

[maiden mica]

I think I left it half way in or like hit it on accident

[dusky hearth]

💀

[maiden mica]

[dusky hearth]

make sure you buy a new one that can handle the load

what psu do you have

[maiden mica]

I am just asking because idk if u should buy a new PSU

I think a 350

Watt

[dusky hearth]

that's quite low

[maiden mica]

Ik

[dusky hearth]

prebuilt/oem office pc?

[maiden mica]

I think it was meant for gaming

Idk

I bought it off of eBay

💀

Big mistake

[dusky hearth]

💀

just to be safe, just grab like a 14 gauge cable (pure copper)ig

i have no idea how you managed to make it burn lmfao

where did it burn? like the middle? or near a connector?

[maiden mica]

Idk

[maiden mica]

Check dms

[dusky hearth]

-# posting the image dmed

WHAT

psu side

[mossy venture]

Uhhh...

Don't use that power supply

That should be common sense

[dusky hearth]

they cleaned off the pin lmfao

[crimson zinc]

@maiden mica get rid of that PSU

Immediately

[maiden mica]

Is it even worth getting a cable

[burnt dawn]

No

It'd corroded to hell

[dusky hearth]

there's no guarentee that this wont happen again, and wont cause a fire the next time

[maiden mica]

Yeah

[burnt dawn]

Yup.

There's a corrosion in the plug

Like geez

Doesn't it make you suspicious?

Oh wait

[maiden mica]

Yeah but I didn’t know if it was normal.

[dusky hearth]

they did clean the gunk off, but still, even with a new cable, idk if this issue will or will not appear again; and that psu looks like either a cheaper and/or older unit so i definitely think now's a better time than ever to get a better psu

[maiden mica]

Idk if it was a problem with the PSU or cable.

[mossy venture]

Psu is garbage

[maiden mica]

Ight

[mossy venture]

If you need a cheap replacement

There's a $42 C tier 550w atm

[burnt dawn]

I thought it was corrosion, but upon closer look it wasn't.

[mossy venture]

If you want a solid unit that you can reuse and upgrade with, gf a3 750 is $84

[maiden mica]

Ight

Send the links in dms rq

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/f2fxFT/corsair-cx-2023-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020277-na

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9GLdnQ/thermaltake-toughpower-gf-a3-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-l

[maiden mica]

Ty

[crimson zinc]

MSI mag has one as well

[little osprey]

Been having issues with stuttering while playing games (started 3 days ago ) and I think I figured out the issue

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155002094978342963/1274772793166401588/IMG_5955.jpg?ex=66c3782e&is=66c226ae&hm=0de09c6fa372854be6a83fd8274284b01d997aab96819d3246c0f895aee410e7&

Been looking online and can’t find any clear fixes im sure it’s simple

[potent portal]

I can tell you just by looking at the back of that unit that it's ancient garbage. No automatic voltage switching, a standard feature for the last decade.

And I'm guessing the reason it melted is because it doesn't have OPP

[dusky hearth]

potentially

oh yeah slightly unrelated question, but do you know if devices with automatic voltage switching (like 110-240v) rated psus could accept like 175v inputs

idk when this would happen, but would it work in any voltage within the range, or it's specifically 110 or 240v

[brittle tinsel]

Im assuming if you still have DDR3 ram at this point, you should probably just build new instead of upgrading, right?

[dusky hearth]

probably lmao

not too much point in staying on ddr3 at this point unless you dont have the budget for a full new build

[brittle tinsel]

well, we really dont have the budget, my brother is on an i5-3570 (could be i3 but I know its a 3570) his cpu is what is holding him back in the games we play together, I just dont think there is much room for upgrade from a 3570.

The ram limits some things like Tarkov for example but he is still able to play and deal with stutters

[dusky hearth]

you could upgrade to a used ddr4 mobo

[brittle tinsel]

siege though, he hard freezes mid gunfight and it sucks

[dusky hearth]

what kinda budget are you looking at

[potent portal]

No, their specific operating range is 100-140V, and 200-240V typically. Sometimes more narrow.

[dusky hearth]

i see

i've always wondered but never dared to test lmao

though i also have no idea where my variac is

[brittle tinsel]

more foreshadow than anything, budget this minute would be around $50, but maybe $100-$150 in the near future.

[dusky hearth]

oof
yeah, not much wiggle room then

in this case, it's better to just hold on and try to save a bit more so you can upgrade to some used ddr4 stuff rather than trying to upgrade within the limits of ddr3 imo

[brittle tinsel]

We can always save little by little though, we have thought about building a new one outright simply because every bit of his current system is terrible. I wouldnt even keep the case.

[dusky hearth]

💀

[brittle tinsel]

alright, thanks

[dusky hearth]

well, in the case of such a low budget, you can always mod the case (wont look quite as pretty) but still make it work for newer needs

[brittle tinsel]

prebuilts on financing should be illegal, its bait for people who dont know much at the time...

[dusky hearth]

such as making holes in the case for more airflow

[brittle tinsel]

the problem is, my brother has cats, the case he has has an open from so it fills with cathair quick. there is no mesh or anything, you can stick your hand straight into the intake fans

[potent portal]

You can get filters that screw on to the fans

[brittle tinsel]

would that help much? the cpu fan gets cat hair tangled in it too. The fans arent even level with the case, you can stick your hand beside the fans to get behind em. I dont know what case it is, doesnt have any visual branding but its terrible.

[dusky hearth]

Also yeah I agree
Don't finance anything you can't immediately afford or afford in the near future aside from a car or house

And especially not a phone or pc

[dusky hearth]

Yes it will

Quite a bit even

It's like bug screen on windows type of filter

Or dryer lint catcher

[potent portal]

As long as there's positive pressure then gaps in the case won't matter much and most of the air will go through the fans

[brittle tinsel]

its paid off. The financing wasnt the problem but rather buying a PoS without knowledge at the time of how bad it was. after getting screwed by financed prebuilts I kinda jumped into building them, I built mine and was saving to build my brother one but then we got hit by back to back hurricanes and the economy isnt as forgiving right now.

[dusky hearth]

F

[potent portal]

Phone financing can be ok if you get a trade in deal for cash off msrp and 0% interest. All the major carriers have that deal for flagship phones. The phones themselves are arguably a ripoff still.

[dusky hearth]

True

[manic cloak]

Chat

Is this a certified buy

[potent portal]

[manic cloak]

He sent the back of it

Although it had no pins

It looks normal..

[potent portal]

Well I'd hope it had no pins

AM5 is LGA, pins on the motherboard

Do they have any evidence of it working? There were issues with dying CPUs early on

[cyan ravine]

Mmm I'd be a bit weirded out if it started growing pins like it was some sort of tech potato seeking fluids or thermal paste

[manic cloak]

Fr

I messaged him

No reply

[strong raft]

1st sentence is unintentionally funny. "Steaming pc"

[lone flame]

it was steaming because the only thermal paste he had on it is what is in the pic

[dusky hearth]

it was the pc used to power the steamer to cook some dim sum

[potent portal]

No it cooked the barley ofc

[cursive wharf]

PC was steaming cuz it streamed too much steam engine simulator
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2381620/Steam_Engine_Simulator/

Steam

Steam Engine Simulator

On January 21, 2023, AngeTheGreat released a video called "Simulating a Steam Engine with C++" which documented the creation of a simple steam engine simulation. This is that simulation now made into a simple game! Enjoy operating and listening to your own miniature virtual steam engine.

▶ Play video

[brittle tinsel]

how well would https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-VENGEANCE-3600MHz-Compatible-Computer/dp/B07ZPLM1R1/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2CR4MNZX1LDJO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.eGzW8IS6sQc1ziAT-LFLfQJnYrxiulVCW5pX4t_Vf7wmy7K2lFmcMvsykeDSbzSwQUbC9JQJnFbGQww6uZlzE8BHSaHoeRzan4WStFNL71m1jSC7ZKiFDq-z7cv03-LpO0bOf6rS1QqcYqsXEp3O2TUTQrWKjL7dATxCBkwC2G1ESoV3rhC130XtQ0-4fcbDL4KfvWjTxbAjW0OjdpwgdJxd_Mxf_jyhu4tOyF7LJjDMkmHGtK0uUOcndSFPzVPGT-9i7Bulyoq9GEWI7C0CP6JkAy7K86hQyDuxxw1Gw0k.NwxeI3x-AeY9oik-fJBjIJPdZTVrjvqf8mWDEPrr78o&dib_tag=se&keywords=32gb%2Bddr4%2B3600mhz&qid=1724051330&s=electronics&sprefix=32gb%2Bddr4%2B3600m%2Celectronics%2C111&sr=1-4&th=1 work with an i7-6700? ive heard amd can handle 3600 but intel struggles or something about a memory controller. Friends ram died and he needs replacement

[flint sapphire]

Itll be fine

[dusky hearth]

i 100%ed the game a while back

the steaming is completed

[analog hearth]

More like Intel CPUs don't rely on memory speeds as much as AMD CPUs do

[analog hearth]

I like his engine sound simulator (forgot what he called it). I wish he'd put it on Steam :/

[dusky hearth]

it's because it isnt finished
also it's just called engine simulator

he's working on 3d engine simulator which would have even more accurate sound simulation

though technically he's currently working on the steam engine simulator dlc and other improvements (which will have a lot of shared code with the 3d engine simulator)

https://youtu.be/qj5F_s3veiU

[analog hearth]

Forgot about the 3D engine simulator

[mossy venture]

It will not run at xmp

[strong raft]

Yea, 3200/3000 should be solid

[potent portal]

It's also corsair so that's another reason it probably won't run xmp

They're notorious for using c-die for their 3600 kits and it's barely stable at that speed, so any factor they didn't validate for that impacts memory and it simply doesn't run

[flint sapphire]

It’ll be fineeeee

[brittle tinsel]

Thats the same ram I personally use and it has served me fine for like 5 years or so now

[potent portal]

Ok? That just means you were lucky

Corsair makes the worst DDR4. Even the B-die is bad because the PCB is thin trash.

[brittle tinsel]

what would you recommend for good DDR4 that isnt gonna break the bank?

[potent portal]

What CPU? Silicon power usually has good 3600c16 sticks for cheap

[brittle tinsel]

I have a 3900x but im more so asking for in the future, I want to save up and upgrade my brothers pc so not sure what cpu it would be, probably amd cpu. I know intel is said to be better for gaming but ive had far less issue multitasking on a amd than intel.

[potent portal]

If you have 3600 already then there's little point to upgrading the memory. A 5800X3D would be the most viable upgrade for that platform and it really doesn't care what memory you have.

I don't know who told you Intel was better for gaming but they lied

[brittle tinsel]

ive heard that for years. Intel has better single core performance so its better for gaming than amd. Ive heard that so many times its a nightmare at this point

[potent portal]

X3D totally flipped that script. The 5800X3D beats the 12900K and the 7800X3D beats the 14900K in gaming.

The extra cache is the key factor. Games love it generally.

[jagged ember]

AMD has been crushing intel on gaming since the 3000 series

[potent portal]

3000 was when they caught up, then Intel tripped trying to stand up from the winner's chair they'd been keeping warm for a decade

11th gen was an unmitigated disaster

[jagged ember]

Then 13/14th gen

Oof

[potent portal]

12th gen was fun. The memory controller was worse than 11th gen so the 11900K still holds the top speed DDR4 record

[brittle tinsel]

I have heard that the X3Ds were better because of some special thing, I forget what it was now but isnt X3D like up there with a threadripper in price? im not trying to make saving for upgrades a retirement ordeal

Sorry, I really havent kept up with new parts since the GPU shortage

[potent portal]

First gen threadripper maybe

5600X3D is $200

New

[brittle tinsel]

ok well. I paid I think $250 or $300 for my R9 3900x

[crimson zinc]

Find it used for like $160

[brittle tinsel]

I avoid used parts like a plague

[potent portal]

7800X3D is usually a full $100 cheaper than the 14900K

[crimson zinc]

I’ve never had a bad experience with used stuff outside of a Razer headset 6 years ago

So I can’t say I’m in the same boat

[jagged ember]

Used is good

Saves Money

[crimson zinc]

Only thing I 100% go new on is PSU

[jagged ember]

No detriment to the warranty

PSU is fair game

[potent portal]

I only avoid used things if it has fragile pins because it's a crap shoot if they're bent or not

[brittle tinsel]

I bought a second hand CPU cooler and it was missing half the parts. the shocking part was the company actually sent me a replacement parts package with the screws and bracket

[potent portal]

As long as it's a good modern unit used PSU is fine

[brittle tinsel]

what are the main differences behind like R7 R9 etc.?

[potent portal]

Bigger number more cores

[crimson zinc]

I usually only buy “like new” or good” stuff on eBay

[potent portal]

One other point of note is in gaming, more cores is not better and in fact slightly worse because the cores are on 2 distinct chips.

That's why the 7800X3D ($318 rn) is king

[crimson zinc]

7800X3D is just top dog everywhere

[brittle tinsel]

Gaming is a big part for us in our free time. but we also do stuff in Unity, Unreal Engine, Blender. It takes a decent bit to compile a script with a i5 3570. ALOT longer than compared to my 3900x.

Are there any R9 cpus with X3D that still beat intel in gaming?

[potent portal]

Yes, the 7900X3D and 7950X3D still top Intel on almost every chart, including workstation stuff

[brittle tinsel]

oh the 7900 is r9? I thought r9 went from 3900 to 5900?

[potent portal]

The 7950X3D is currently $449 vs the 14900K which is $546

[potent portal]

Think of it like i5, i7, i9. It's a class within the generation.

[brittle tinsel]

would you recommend the 50 vs 00? when I got my 3900x it was recommended to go with 3900 over the 3950 for price to performance

[potent portal]

Are the extra 4 cores worth $100 to you

If not the 7900X3D is 12c24t for $349

[brittle tinsel]

im not sure what impact that would have on compile times. if it cut script compiling by 15% or more then yes, 100%

[potent portal]

It would be a 30% increase in core count, you can estimate a 25% improvement with that

[flint sapphire]

👀this is looking like it’ll be a fun build

[brittle tinsel]

33% increase 🤣

im sorry, I had to

[potent portal]

I estimated

It's what I would have done tbh

33.333333333...% really

[brittle tinsel]

I think I understand now, so r9 would be i900 i950 j900 j950 k900 k950
r7 would be i700 i750 j700 j750 k700 k750 replacing the letters with what ever random number they decide essentially?

[brittle tinsel]

you got me there

[potent portal]

Yep. The first number is whatever they want to symbolize the generation. They've mostly skipped 2 numbers already.

[brittle tinsel]

then the second number follows the r(x) number?

[potent portal]

There's a bit more to it, like Ryzen 7 includes X700 and X800, R5 includes X500 and X600

R3 hasn't been used in forever sadly

[brittle tinsel]

r9 covers just x900 though right? or do they also do some weird x1000?

[potent portal]

That was the plan originally, then they figured out how to cram more cores onto a package and made X950

Above that is threadripper

[flint sapphire]

Generally r9=high tier high core cpus, r7=mid tier middle of the road, r5=lower, r3 lower still

[brittle tinsel]

ive kinda became attached to r9 series, ive had this cpu for over 5 years and it hasnt let me down at all. the gtx 1060 3gb on the other hand. not so good in this day and age especially after close to 10 years of use. Its been through 2 PCs for me

[cyan ravine]

R9, as is R7, R5, i3, i5, i7, i9 etc.
Just a name these days

You can buy 8 core R9's now

Single ccd

[flint sapphire]

Don’t use that logic for laptops tho

[potent portal]

Heh. I had a 1060 3gb. Upgraded to a 2070 and doubled my fps.

Don't even try to explain or understand laptops since they keep changing it to suit them

Very big upgrade

1080 ti is like a 3060.

And 8gb more memory to boot over the 1060

[flint sapphire]

The god king of gpus

[crimson zinc]

2080ti>>>

[brittle tinsel]

it has 8gb more than the 1060 or 8gb total?

[potent portal]

11GB total

Weird number ik

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-funny-cat-step-forward-step-backward-standing-cat-gif-20782856

[brittle tinsel]

that is weird, thats why I was confused, I expected 8gb or 12gb not 11....

[potent portal]

It makes sense if you don't think about it

The reason is there's spots for 12 but they only put 11 chips

[crimson zinc]

2080ti GANG GANG

[potent portal]

What greatness did the 2080 ti achieve

Was it 30% better than the 2080 like the 1080 ti was over the 1080?

[brittle tinsel]

that adds even more questions lol

[potent portal]

The only thing it had going for it was first gen ray tracing and it was barely functional. No games even used it for 8 months after launch of 20 series and when they finally did, they ran at 20 fps.

[crimson zinc]

Those people are wack

[potent portal]

It was a value thing, the 2080 ti cost a lot more

[crimson zinc]

It’s a solid perf increase if you don’t care about rt

Now***

Like me

[potent portal]

Well yeah now it's a decent buy

It only took being nearly 3 generations old

[crimson zinc]

It’s worth the $60 more used

[brittle tinsel]

I mean ive played all games in the lowest settings availble for years. I dont think I would run ray tracing. medium settings would be a huge jump for me and hopefully improve my skill (poor eyesight)

[crimson zinc]

$170-230

[potent portal]

Here's a painful thought for you:
Nvidia could have done a repeat of the 1080 ti with the 3090 ti. The die has a lot more processors in it, they're just partially disabled. They enabled a few in the end... but lots are still off. They blew it. There will never be another jump like the 1080 ti.

[crimson zinc]

Maybe they do a thing with the 60 series for 50xx

[potent portal]

No they're too busy shoveling money from AI now

They can launch literally anything and it will sell

[crimson zinc]

I’ve debated on buying a 2060

[brittle tinsel]

cant you only run like 1200 or 2000 watt PSUs in the states? how would stateside people be able to run the new generations GPUs?

[crimson zinc]

…what

[potent portal]

The average household outlet is rated for 15A, 15A x 120V = 1600W on a single outlet

20A exists too

[brittle tinsel]

I know, 30a does too. but not averagely

[brittle tinsel]

idk about other states but in my state we have 110v and 220v

[potent portal]

Even if a 5090 were somehow able to use 2x 12VHPWR that would only be 1200W

And there's no way Nvidia would approve that, it would eat into the $25k AI card market

[crimson zinc]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156364608078?

This ain’t bad

[brittle tinsel]

ah ok, we are fine then I guess. It would appear a lot can change in 6 years

and that all info I recieved 6 years ago is also way out of date 🤣

[potent portal]

Keep in mind that game devs target the most common hardware typically when designing their games. That's currently the 3060 according to the Steam hardware survey. Meaning the 2060 is going to be below minimum spec for some games in the near future.

1080 ti, 2070(S), and 3060 would be the ones I'm looking at today

And even then I'd shy away from the 2070 because ew only 8gb

Yes, 1080 ti = 3060

Roughly

[brittle tinsel]

~=

it doesnt have rtx 🧌

[potent portal]

You don't need RTX at that performance class

[brittle tinsel]

im sorry, I got trolled hard this morning and ive been in a mood all day lol

[potent portal]

No one should be running RT on a 3060 unless they like giving up half their fps for slightly shinier window reflections

[potent portal]

Understandable

[cyan ravine]

More correctly, most of all games barely manage RT on a 60 card

[potent portal]

Try doing cp2077 psycho rt with it

Slideshow simulator

But hey it'll look good every 3 seconds when it renders a frame

[flint sapphire]

It’s a slideshow on like every 30 series

[potent portal]

That's... fair

[flint sapphire]

On native res*

[potent portal]

ofc, what's the point of "enhancing visuals" if you're just going to render at lower res?

[brittle tinsel]

isnt the native still 1080p?

[potent portal]

If you have a 1080p monitor yes

[flint sapphire]

Depends ^

[brittle tinsel]

oh I thought the native on the 30 series was 1080p? Ive been told if I want 1440p or 4k to do amd over nvidia, but I stick with 1080p and I like the dedicated encoder that comes with the nvidia cards

[flint sapphire]

[potent portal]

Another misconception

[flint sapphire]

I mean budget wise that sorta makes sense

[brittle tinsel]

which part? the res or the encoder?

[flint sapphire]

If there’s a budget in mind

[potent portal]

Nvidia tends to win at higher resolutions actually due to faster memory, and AMD wins at lower res because less driver overhead

The encoder is a moot point now, Radeon has good encoding

[brittle tinsel]

oh, did amd get encoding now?

[potent portal]

It was added I think 9 months or so ago?

[brittle tinsel]

havent heard of that at all

[potent portal]

It was a driver update basically

[brittle tinsel]

wtf?

[potent portal]

7000 even has AV1 encoding

[brittle tinsel]

Hey, actually I have a question. There is a game that released called arena breakout infinite that is free to play that I wanted to try but it is hardware locked, you cant open the game if you dont meet minimum requirements. I have a gtx 1060 3gb but it locks me out because its not a gtx 960 4gb or higher card. I made a ticket and submitted information I found about the 1060 being 58% better than the 960 but they told me that the speed of the 1060 doesnt help missing the 1gb of vram. Whats your take on that?

[potent portal]

3060, not even psycho rt... that face says it all

[potent portal]

They are correct, you lack the required amount of memory to store the textures properly. If you overflow that 3GB buffer your fps falls off a cliff.

[brittle tinsel]

thats the weird thing though I play call of duty and their ingame vram calculator or whatever it would be called. allocation maybe. shows like 3.5 gb vram but my 3gb card I can still run 80+ frames. 100+ on smaller maps

[potent portal]

The more you overflow it, the lower your fps will go as it has to swap textures between system RAM and VRAM

[brittle tinsel]

ah, so my 32gb 3600mhz ram makes up for it?

[potent portal]

Not even close

It's WAY slower than VRAM

[brittle tinsel]

ok, maybe I misunderstood slightly

or not slightly.....

if im running 100 fps with it being slower, what would it run at if I had the required amount?

[flint sapphire]

100fps on a smaller map right?

[brittle tinsel]

yeah, 80+ on some of their bigger maps and on modern warfare I was able to do 70+ on ground war.

[potent portal]

The memory on the 1060 3gb runs at effectively 8000MT/s vs your system memory running at 3600, plus overhead for the CPU having to do more work moving the textures around

[brittle tinsel]

that would be why everyone screams bottleneck when I say I have a 3900x and a gtx 1060 3gb lol solved that case

[potent portal]

I have always wondered though, what happens if you intentionally use an overclocked top of the line memory kit running at ~10k and intentionally fill the VRAM buffer on an older GPU like this

I'd imagine the performance penalty wouldn't be as bad

[flint sapphire]

Didn’t Linus run crysis entirely on a epyc cpu?

[potent portal]

I mean there's the crashes and incorrect textures to worry about but it's fine, it's fine

[potent portal]

That was TechTechPotato

And it was threadripper

https://youtu.be/2tn0bZcQf0E?si=Evm99Jr6LXuVcb6B

A smooth 13 fps

[flint sapphire]

Lmao that’s incredible

Could’ve sworn I saw ltt copy potato

[brittle tinsel]

ill take 13fps lol. I played games on an old laptop before I got a computer at extreme low fps. I logged 150 hours into 7 days to die at 6fps. 3fps on horde night 🤣

[potent portal]

Maybe they covered it in news

[flint sapphire]

Rip slayer

[brittle tinsel]

it wasnt bad, I still had fun. The game is really fun now at ~70fps

[brittle tinsel]

anyone up for building a part list for a canadian, a friend of mine who is playing on xbox wants to get into pc gaming and based off of his list he sent me, he needs help. Big time

This is the info he gave me
"prolly just 1080p, mostly for gaming but kinda multipurpose, high graphics, prolly a dual monitor setup, rust and tarkov are prolly the most performance intensive games i’m interested in playing, i’m going for a full white scheme, i do need to get better monitors but i have a keyboard and mouse, and i think a bit of RGB but not like eye raping yknow"
and this is the list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JPykxH

[cyan ravine]

For that sort of budget he could do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gBMx4M

Sapphire pure 7900 GRE also works

But these are 1440p, 1080p is way under this

Also, Canadian, American resident or Canadian resident? Lol

Cos the lists make dramatic changes with country

Oh wait wrong case

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y7KLz6

Guess I can just do this

1080p would be more like this, and overkill at that
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mMjQXk

And these aren't in CAD, so again, the list would change a lot on Canadian pcpp

Tarkov has a tendency to demand a lot of ram tho, so I kinda, lean a little towards the higher capacity

Rust also, loves X3D. Craves vcache and explodes in fps with it

So important notes to remember

Depending on what he means though by multitasking I'd may be a bit persuaded away from radeon cards, generally speaking

[brittle tinsel]

alright, as for budget, that was just the list he put together.He said he is going to be saving up over time to buy the parts. He wants it to be as cheap as he can get without sacrificing performance or longevity. I should have added that part. Do you think the boost in FPS for rust is worth the price difference?

[cyan ravine]

So performance only

[brittle tinsel]

what do you mean?

[cyan ravine]

X3D is a bigger upgrade than most of anything else in 1080p rust

[flint sapphire]

That last list feetlicks posted would prob be pretty solid

[cyan ravine]

All performance, white colour scheme preferred

Last list but with a 7800X3D would be solid

[brittle tinsel]

yeah pretty much, he doesnt want to have to do upgrades right after building it

alright

[flint sapphire]

But what if 6800 non xt

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NdKLz6

Pretty much about as good as 1080p gets imo

But the question of what he's multitasking is still prominent

Some suggestions would sway me against 6700xt

Also whether he's located in Canada or not

Also one other thing

@brittle tinsel

If he's going to take a long time with this list, it's almost vapourware

Almost all the choices will change in price over time

Unless he's bargain hunting and jumping on it appropriately, some sales will disappear and it'll cost more for no gain

[brittle tinsel]

He is in canada, eastern if it makes a difference.
ill pass the info along and let him know. thank you.

[languid nimbus]

7800x3d still leads like all the charts in gaming so I’m excited to see how the 9800x3d performs

Hopefully well

Cos otherwise the 9xxxX series is pretty underwhelming

[cyan ravine]

I'm sharing the thoughts of others rn @languid nimbus

The underwhelming gain in 9000 series, may be the reason why 9800x3d is rumoured for enabled OC

I'm not very hopeful personally

Not unless microcode somehow improves it

[languid nimbus]

yeeee may be a year to skip

but we’ll see

[cyan ravine]

Occam's razor

The simplest explanation is often the right one

There's a lot of ways to explain how 9000 is better, but not in the forms of gaming at this stage

[manic cloak]

Tad bit burnt

Personally I like my CPUs with raw performance

[tawny violet]

Might just be airbrush

Which would honestly be a based way to have a dead chip on display

[dusky hearth]

used like new

💀

[manic cloak]

I believe it

They used it but it just got a bit burnt

Like new!

[dusky hearth]

lmao

[plucky timber]

Moore's law is dead

And we're feeling the impacts with ryzen 9000

[potent portal]

Moore's Law has to do with transistor count, and that's alive and well. Ryzen 9000 increased the transistor count from 6.5 billion to 8.3 billion.

While also using a smaller die area

[plucky timber]

What about heat?

[potent portal]

Increased efficiency means less heat. Plus the bottleneck was the IHS before, and they've improved that.

[plucky timber]

👀

So we're still managing to push silicon

[potent portal]

Yes. The thing is the performance numbers we're seeing don't match the hardware improvements, which leads me to believe it's not being utilized properly.

[plucky timber]

Ah

So it's stagnation rather than physical limitations

[potent portal]

I'm getting more of a "software/firmware bug" feel but as it stands, yes

[plucky timber]

That's comforting

[cursive wharf]

From my understanding MR doesnt even care about transistor density in a chip, just transistor count in a chip. Which made it a bit weird when chip size finds a general trend of increasing or decreasing.

So I dont really even like caring about it

Cuz it's kinda deceptive (for general consumer)

[potent portal]

Exactly, the law simply states that transistor count in an IC doubles roughly every 2 years. It has nothing to do with density, that's a byproduct of needing to reduce consumption of materials and space.

Moore's Law is alive and well

[plucky timber]

I wonder if we'll start seeing LGA20XX again in a couple years on consumer platforms

Or a more spread out chip design

[potent portal]

It's hard to say. For the next few years at least, we know Intel is going to be using LGA 1851 and AMD will stay on AM5.

[plucky timber]

AMD does have the advantage of efficiency so

[potent portal]

Intel has reportedly been working on their own vcache variant, but they're having problems with it

The problem being the ring bus. It needs to go.

[cursive wharf]

There is also technicalities that make it not work well against chiplet products. Tho, seems like a lot of people tend to ignore that (graph showing that Epyc murders Ryzen for "transistor count in an IC"). There really should be an update to it, keep the spirits the same but make it actually accurate for such issues.

[plucky timber]

Transistor count in an IC?

[potent portal]

It's a trend at any rate, applying to the industry as a whole

[plucky timber]

Does that include cache?

[potent portal]

no

[plucky timber]

oh ok

[potent portal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit

[tidal sky]

Is there a speed difference between these or no

[cursive wharf]

Indeed, but only after twisting the words to make it more modern.

Cuz afaik Ryzen and Epic should be pretty comparable when using word for word ML

[potent portal]

In the real world no, they'll be very similar

Both tier C, which are good gaming drives for the price

[tidal sky]

Ok

[tidal sky]

Ty

[stoic island]

P34a60 should be a little faster sustained for larger file transfers than p1, if you had to pick between them, I'd pick a60

[potent portal]

"Large file transfers" typically refers to copying single 4GB+ files off of a SSD that has a faster read speed than the write speed of the target

Home users rarely see that case

[stoic island]

Writing to native qlc is slower than writing to native tlc, and it'll become more noticeable with the drive being more filled, but it is a pretty uncommon case for the average user

It's just a small point if you are choosing between 2 drives

[trail knot]

Which is better?

Or is there another case that I should go with

[dusky hearth]

how much is the fractal

[crimson zinc]

@trail knot

If you can get the 903 with its default fans, that.

If you can only get the base version of the 903, go for the fractal

[trail knot]

95

Idc about rgb

Wait @crimson zinc

Doesn't the 903 come with fans

The base has 2 fans

He max has 3

[potent portal]

There's also a fan hub in the max that isn't in the base model

[crimson zinc]

Get the 903 max

“The key advantage here is that, even if you're not interested in the ARGB lighting, the Max version includes a controller that lets you adjust the fan speed. So, for just an extra $10, you not only get the controller but also an additional fan!”

From a Reddit post

@trail knot

[trail knot]

@crimson zinc is there no way to do that on the base

[crimson zinc]

Nope.

It’s just flat out better to get the Max.

Spend the extra cash and have better cooling potential and fan controller

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCNypg/cooltek-jb-c2-s-microatx-mini-tower-case-jb-c2-s

Anyone want

the box

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kzM323/thermaltake-case-ca1d800f6wn00

@cyan ravine do you have any experience with the jonsbo n4?

[lone flame]

I have a buddy at work who is potentially thinking about getting into PCs and would likely be a prebuilt, he works and has kids and he doesn't want to mess with trying to build a PC, his budget was around 1500$ USD, if anyone could link some options thatd be awesome, no pressure to

[cyan ravine]

Nope

[crimson zinc]

Hmm. Seemed up your alley so I figured I’d ask you.

[crimson zinc]

Would he be able to build it himself?

Or does he just solely want a prebuilt?

It’s not complex to build. It’s just basically legos when you get down to it.

[lone flame]

probably a prebuilt, I dont think he wants to even deal with it

i kind of tried to tell him to build it himself but he just wants a plug and play

[crimson zinc]

Alright.

He okay with open box? Or refurbished?

[lone flame]

uhhh

i couldnt say

he doesnt have discord

otherwise i would of sent him here

[crimson zinc]

Hold

https://www.newegg.com/msi-aegis-r-13nue-452us/p/N82E16883151335R?

Ram is mid, but if he doesn’t want to tune, it shouldn’t really bother him much

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-0012-007A2?

[brittle tinsel]

Are all of the x3d cpus AM5 sockets?

nvm, I found one. 5800x3d is am4

[strong raft]

5700x3d is a similar lower clocked, then the 6 core 5600x3d that's not too common

[jagged ember]

And the upcoming 5500x3d

[brittle tinsel]

what socket is the i5 4590S? I looked it up and it says "FCLGA1150", are they any upgrades from the 4590 that use the same socket?

[lone flame]

wait actually

[mossy venture]

none that are worthwhile

[brittle tinsel]

I know it wont be worthwhile, but we cant afford a bigger upgrade right now and my brother cant play siege because the CPU usage spikes past 100% and he freezes for a couple of seconds. I was looking at the i7 4770 but im not exactly sure if that would fit the same socket since it doesnt say FCLGA but rather LGA 1150. I was messing with it last night and while task manager didnt show over 100% usage. The top 3 percentages totaled out at like 120%

if the 4770 fits the intel h81, then I can get hold of one for around $50 which is alot more workable than completely upgrading mobo and all

[mossy venture]

How much ram does he have and what gpu?

4590 should handle seige

[brittle tinsel]

16GB. gtx 1060 3gb. the cpu hits 100% on task manager when he hard freezes for a few seconds and then when it goes below 100% it unfreezes
I tried to overclock his cpu a tad but the mobo doesnt seem to support that.

[brittle tinsel]

Its a 4590S not sure what "Special Edition" means for intel

[mossy venture]

Hm, interesting

Spec sheet wise you should def be fine

[brittle tinsel]

siege its self is fine, but because Ubisoft connect is eating 30% plus cpu in the background and you cant close it or else you cant play siege. it pushes things to the max especially with discord and whatever other small tasks being open adding up

[mossy venture]

Ahh

A 4770 might help some but I can't say whether or not it's worthwhile

[potent portal]

For the same price as an in place upgrade on a platform that old, often it's worth upgrading the motherboard too because of the bell curve on used prices

[dusky hearth]

yeah

idk if $50 is worth the upgrade

if it was like, $20

maybe

also that cpu should have been fine

oh the ubisoft app

💀

[upper ore]

Okay guys im stuck.... I moved out of my old house and moved my pc into my new place. And ever since then my pc has been acting up. Like crashing when trying to launch a League of Legends aram game. Or itll just completely freeze up on me

[potent portal]

Take out any storage drives and reconnect everything (on both ends for sata)

[dusky hearth]

some connectors could have gotten loose in transit, so you may want to reseat everything

[upper ore]

Yeah thats gonna be interesting with how i vertically mounted my gpu. Ill have to remove 3 things maybe to just get to my m.2. 😵‍💫

[potent portal]

That's good because the next thing I would have suggested is reseating the GPU. Heavier things are more likely to shake loose.

[upper ore]

I think im gonna have to set aside like a Saturday to do all of that. 😅

It gets alittle cramped in there. And I remember it took me forever to get it in.

[mossy venture]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/1ey84t7/usane_h_paypal_local_cash_w_i7_4770_or_4790_non_k/

You should be able to find much cheaper than $50

[potent turtle]

Ever tried to plug a toaster into your pc

[potent portal]

Considering a toaster draws between 800-1200W that's a bad idea

[left shore]

So I installed a new motherboard CPU and ram and my CPU temps are bouncing from like 50C to 80C

I have a Ryzen 7 7700X

[mossy venture]

Remount cooler

Make sure you tighten in an x pattern

And used enough paste

And removed the plastic peel off the cooler

[left shore]

Might need some more huh

[dusky hearth]

Is it me or does it look like there wasn't good contact there

[fossil cedar]

So remount it now, add a bit more thermal paste, screw it in an x pattern and only do a few turns at a time on each screw so e.g top left, bottom right, top right, bottom left, top left repeat

The more paste is optional but recommend

Just a dollop if you have some

[left shore]

This should be enough right?

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

Could have added but that's fine too 😅

[dusky hearth]

yeah you didnt need to clean off brand new paste lmfao

[left shore]

Got it lol It's working a bit better now it's not hitting 80 anymore

I did tighten it down with a screwdriver this time maybe that helped

[potent portal]

It does require an amount of torque to get proper contact, which is easier to do with a screwdriver

[dusky hearth]

not using a screwdriver could definitely explain why the mounting looked uneven

looked to me like one side was tightened down all the way while the other side didnt get the full contact

[dusky hearth]

btw assuming your cooler screws have a spring on them, you normally bottom out the screws to install the cooler so that it has the proper mounting force

also it's good habit to tighten the screws evenly in a star pattern (or the best star pattern you can do with the amount of screws you have)

if you did a similar thing to a gpu die, you would risk cracking it

[dusky hearth]

@long rock idk if anybody told you and I also am not sure if it affected this drive particularly, but make sure to get the latest firmware for that drive since some models had some issues with endurance or smth like that

[long rock]

Ooh

Im just working on a file copy from
My hard drive rn

[left shore]

They don't it's just a regular screw

My CPU is still overheating idk why

It hit 96 just opening up the game

[sacred obsidian]

iunno if this was alread asked, but did you make sure to take off any plastic from under the cpu cooler?

ok I just scrolled up, where is that AIO plugged into?

[left shore]

Yeah I did it was removed a long time ago I used this cooler before

[left shore]

The pump header

[sacred obsidian]

how old is the AIO

[left shore]

At least 3 years old

[sacred obsidian]

I was asking cause in the photo above it looks like it wasn't plugged in? not sure if that's the right header but it looks like it to me, although I cannot read it

[left shore]

Pretty sure those are CPU fan headers but I'm not 100% sure like I said this is a new motherboard

Should I try putting it in the CPU fan header instead?

[dusky hearth]

nah, pump header is fine

[sacred obsidian]

yeah just like, feel it and make sure the water is actually moving

[left shore]

It feels like it but then again the CPU is hot af and the tube doesn't feel that hot

[sacred obsidian]

do you have a stock cooler?

like did one come with the CPU?

[left shore]

No it didn't it's the Ryzen 7 7700X

[sacred obsidian]

ok did you reinstall and make sure to tighten them down evenly?

like only screw a little bit at a time on each one swaping back in forth in a crisscross pattern?

[left shore]

I screwed them in all the way in a crisscross patern and I went over them agan to see if they were tight and they were but I can try tightining them again and see if any of them are a little loose

I can also try to just put it in the CPU fan header instead

[sacred obsidian]

you want to specifically do only a couple screws each over and over until they are tight

if you tighten one side to much at first before you tighten the rest to be even, it wont make good contact.

[left shore]

I can unscrew them and try that

[sacred obsidian]

alright lemme know how it goes

[left shore]

Trying it right now

Let me load up a game

So far it looks pretty much the same

[sacred obsidian]

ok can you get HWinfo and run it, look for AIO pump on the list, and tell me what RPM it's running at?

[left shore]

1219 RPM

[sacred obsidian]

that is very low

if you open a game does it go higher?

[left shore]

Not really

[sacred obsidian]

what aio is it

[left shore]

NZXT X63

[sacred obsidian]

do you have NZXT CAM?

[left shore]

I don't should I install it real quick

[sacred obsidian]

It will let you control your AIO stuff so yeah

I think you might also be able to do it in BIOS but I would just get the CAM for now to see if we can get it higher

[sick delta]

Are you using the same standoffs from the AM4 socket........

[left shore]

Yes?

[left shore]

It went up to 2000 now

[sacred obsidian]

2000 is much better

Go to Cooling and set the cooling dropdown at the top to performance

and see if it goes up a lil more

[left shore]

I installed the app then it just closes and I can't see it in my apps anymore

[sacred obsidian]

press windows key and type nzxt cam

[left shore]

Yeah it's notthere

It's like if it's uninstalling itself

[sacred obsidian]

or you can click this little arrow on the bottom right of the screen and look for the N

that's super weird

[sick delta]

Supposedly theres a different kit for AM5 for the Krakens https://www.microcenter.com/product/660236/nzxt-am5-bracket-for-kraken

spacers r different. Can see in this LTT thread a pic of how the spacers go for AM4 vs AM5 https://linustechtips.com/topic/1552241-nzxt-am5-bracket/

[left shore]

Oh ok that makes sense

So I need those spacers or a new AIO

[sick delta]

microcenter says out of stock

might have to email NZXT or something

[sacred obsidian]

well cheers for Aracanthus cause I didn't even know that was a thing. The manual makes it look like the stock bracket is compatible with both

[sick delta]

idk, it's just what google said

ltt thread says something about checking spacers you already have?

[sacred obsidian]

you can buy the bracket from NZXT on their website

[sick delta]

but idk since this AIO is old

[sacred obsidian]

https://nzxt.com/product/kraken-xz-am5-upgrade-kit?srsltid=AfmBOorH3xVZjqNB6FC6LWbh0M3sEKm_YOoaN9_tmYWZqNeQ_VInfZ2f

[left shore]

I see

[sacred obsidian]

I have the kraken that uses the same bracket. Reading the manual it makes it look like the bracket works for both AM4 and AM5

[left shore]

I might just get a new AIO on amazon I want to get one with a screen on it and I have prime so it comes fat

[sacred obsidian]

if you get the kraken you might still have to buy that bracket separately

cause I don't think mine came with it

but also do make sure that your AIO pump speed is above that 1200 mark. It might be fine at that speed but mine rest at 2.2k on silent mode

[left shore]

I might get this

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Liquid-Cooler-500-1800rpm-CL-W386-PL14SW/dp/B0CCXDLFZZ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1V4QH92QT8H49&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hNEE-QWU-UmHLEiJkmz_nKX5NLgCOuxbXfOaqtMVgl4DpY0BmgM9_ERy2R9OyvoG0S3IVD4Ct-XiCK9t_5GsuK6uZVZ43XzTC0mJzVXBdGKLEPTYMf0uJxhUgLXSvkyGSoK6VbP7e6tz0B-taSEJiTD0uXpue-PhVHVDPGrvThQftpl6PqgTgpwn6fnyFLZuLB0l_HPwP-aB474F6cOZ7zlFgPeSgTWoVJI8cijB1yQ.tw7iVVc0uHrpDPyybIfE3Sb1UzxPnL1Po_OqK0lI0L0&dib_tag=se&keywords=thermaltake%2Bth420&qid=1724381095&sprefix=Thermaltake%2BTH%2Caps%2C132&sr=8-2&th=1

[sacred obsidian]

I can't speak on it cause idk it well enough but that seems a bit high to me. But im not good with price of todays components lol

[sick delta]

anything with a screen gunna be pricey

nzxt $300

[left shore]

Yeah that's true

This one is only 180 tho

And it's a 420 rad

[sacred obsidian]

thats true

I got my kraken on sale for 100 bucks

but its a 240 rad

[sick delta]

can't get my deepcool anymore

[sacred obsidian]

and no rgb fan but I had some

[left shore]

So maybe 180 isn't too bad