building-and-recc-chat

[mossy venture]

Better power efficiency

Same with 4070s to 7900 gre

Gre ocs better tho

And both of the amd cards have more vram

Which is more of a selling point on the gre than the 7900xt

Ti super with 16gb is plenty

[tawny violet]

I mean with how much I was already yapping about efficiency I think that's a fair tradeoff

You also get DLSS which is pretty pog

I'm not shilling nGreedAI here
But with how close pricing here in Hungary is, it's hard to justify the 7900XT

GRE is goated thp

[mossy venture]

Especially if you care about efficiency, which is relevant in this case

[tawny violet]

Power costs so effing much holy cow

It's like

[mossy venture]

Honestly on a good 650 with a low cpu like 7600/7800x3d, 4080 would likely be fine lmao

[tawny violet]

~65 cents to a kWh converted

[mossy venture]

Considering 4090 is fine on a good 750

[tawny violet]

Power costs are ridiculously high here so I actually have to consider efficiency (frames/watt) and overall power draw

[obsidian wigeon]

laptop

[mossy venture]

4070 super is better perf per watt and better perf per dollar than the ti super

I really am not a fan of laptops unless absolutely needed for portability or size

[tawny violet]

But the 4070s might run out of VRAM in 1440p
Damn you nGreedAI

[mossy venture]

Downsides of no upgradability, more limited storage, worse temps, more annoying to swap most parts out if needed or to repaste

[mossy venture]

Eh

Run out isn't exactly right

[obsidian wigeon]

i agree with all

[mossy venture]

4070 super will handle any game at high settings currently

[obsidian wigeon]

but the efficiency tho

[tawny violet]

I want the Ti Super because it's just really nice
But damn I can get a 7900XT at that cost

[mossy venture]

At same price I'd take the ti super

Honestly

[tawny violet]

But the XT blasts power reee

[obsidian wigeon]

laptops are a whole other league with efficiency

[tawny violet]

Same to XT or 4070S?

[mossy venture]

Within like $50 I would choose nvidia unless there's a feature the amd card has over the nvidia that I like

[tawny violet]

4070s is priced smack dab between the GRE and the XT
Cheapest 4070 Ti Super costs the same as a mid-high tier XT

@mossy venture

[mossy venture]

Prices in USD for all of them pls

Well

Local currency works actually

I'll just look up conversion rate

[tawny violet]

I'll need a couple of min

[mossy venture]

Estimate works

[tawny violet]

Cheapest 4070s: https://www.arukereso.hu/videokartya-c3142/gigabyte/geforce-rtx-4070-super-windforce-oc-12gb-gddr6x-gv-n407swf3oc-12gd-p1044068071/
4070 Ti Super: https://www.arukereso.hu/videokartya-c3142/gigabyte/geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-windforce-oc-16gb-gddr6x-gv-n407tswf3oc-16gd-p1044068035/

Damn the embed doesn't show price

One sec

[mossy venture]

You're fine I got it

4070 super is $775

[tawny violet]

GRE: https://www.arukereso.hu/videokartya-c3142/xfx/radeon-rx-7900-gre-amd-16gb-gddr6-rx-79gmercb9-p1056652792/

[mossy venture]

Ti super is $1006

Gre is $735

[tawny violet]

XT
https://www.arukereso.hu/videokartya-c3142/xfx/radeon-rx-7900-xt-merc310-gaming-20g-gddr6-rx-79tmercu9-p910135665/

[mossy venture]

Xt is $820

The xt is best value 100%

I'd get that and maybe power limit it to like 85%, or undervolt it

[tawny violet]

Yeah the XT upsell is not that much tbh

About 100 bucks for like 20% more perf?

[mossy venture]

I would 100% get it and just pl it

You won't lose much perf, and could even do a minor oc to counter balance it

[tawny violet]

Or hey I could get a 750 PSU
It's not that much (probably)

[mossy venture]

7900xt would be fine on your 650

I just mean in terms of efficiency

[tawny violet]

Ah

I thought you need the 750 for the XT?

Cuz the XTX blasts power like a mofo

@mossy venture also do note
Those prices include a 27% VAT

[obsidian wigeon]

it blasts power worse than 4090

[mossy venture]

7600 won't go over like 90w

7900xt would be fine

[obsidian wigeon]

the xtx i mean

[cyan ravine]

What's the cpu here

[tawny violet]

I have the X variant tho

7600X

[mossy venture]

Eco mode

[cyan ravine]

The feet licker will decide

[cyan ravine]

650 is fine

[tawny violet]

gibs feet

[mossy venture]

Thats a sentence

[cyan ravine]

I'm a dentist btw

[tawny violet]

But yes it ain't a 14900K rofl

[cyan ravine]

Also I'm not a dentist

[tawny violet]

Anyhow

7600X+7900XT on a 650

[mossy venture]

7600x sits around 80w gaming right?

[cyan ravine]

A good 650w will handle a decent tier 1 XT

Ye

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/me-dr-professor-patrick-gif-20534072

[cyan ravine]

Pbo 7600X caps around 120

[mossy venture]

7900xt won't pull more than 400w?

[tawny violet]

EVGA 650 GQ

[mossy venture]

Gq is not A tier

Tf

[cyan ravine]

Barely not ok

[tawny violet]

Wut

Damn

[mossy venture]

G6 is

[tawny violet]

Dejected

[cyan ravine]

You want a good 650w

[tawny violet]

The effing

THE SHOP DUDE SAID IT WAS A-TIER

[cyan ravine]

Reason is XT has transients between 450 and 500w

[mossy venture]

Bro lied

[tawny violet]

Scammed again

[cyan ravine]

That essentially at 20ms make it a 450-500w gpu

[tawny violet]

Never going to that shop again ²

[cyan ravine]

And 7600x is up to 120w

with transients itself

[tawny violet]

Thankfully eco mode don't really cost a lot of perf on the 7600

[mossy venture]

Eco mode brings that down right?

[cyan ravine]

So you want a good unit with an estimate at about 620+ if it's a 650w

Eco mode does bring it down but not a lot of confidence in that

You have minor rails power

[tawny violet]

So it's iffy?

7800X3D would solve that right?

[cyan ravine]

I like to assume a psu I don't know has minor rails additive to the 650w rather than a 650w 12v rail

[cyan ravine]

Kinda still barely not ok

[tawny violet]

I can check for you

[cyan ravine]

If it has a 650w 12v rail it might be barely passable

But some brands do that

It's not common

[covert vapor]

Wait a minute, I never noticed. How he get his head in the bowl if the top is the only opening

[potent portal]

They have 2 holes, the one on the bottom forms a seal. They show them taking them off sometimes.

The one on top is for filling

[tawny violet]

@cyan ravine

I think it might just have a 650w 12v rail

[cyan ravine]

So it does have a 12v 650w rail

[tawny violet]

Yep

Box claims so

[cyan ravine]

Still a bit on the fence tho

[tawny violet]

I mean fair enough

[cyan ravine]

I wouldn't be overclocking at all

[tawny violet]

And still eco mode the CPU I assume?

[cyan ravine]

Like even with eco you are effectively planting it at a sustained 540-580w-ish

[tawny violet]

That's cutting it close ye

Depends on OCP

[cyan ravine]

I'm not worried about ocp as long as the system isn't jammed full of rgb and screens

It's just barely cutting it

Idk, up to you, I would feel better if it was the 750w model

[tawny violet]

It's got a single ARGB header used (with a SATA-powered hub on it)

[cyan ravine]

Sata and m.2's also count for loading

[tawny violet]

Ik

[cyan ravine]

It's really on the fence imo lol

[tawny violet]

Single m.2, 1 SATA drive, one ARGB header with the SATA hub

[cyan ravine]

And I'm often one recommending lower than others

[mossy venture]

Just pl the gpu

[cyan ravine]

So if I'm the one saying "I'm not sure" then it's really on the fence

[tawny violet]

Could try, might get shutdowns I guess

[cyan ravine]

A power limit on the gpu and eco would make it fine imo but then you waste the point of an upgrade

[tawny violet]

But ye at that point
I might say screw it and upgrade the PSU anyway

[cyan ravine]

Yep

I would at least get the 750w variant

[tawny violet]

Why pay for something you don't use right?

[mossy venture]

85% pl with an undervolt and minor oc would still perform similar

[cyan ravine]

Not really

Not on rdna 3

[mossy venture]

Really?

[cyan ravine]

You sacrifice a buttload of stability for that and that much is not guaranteed

[mossy venture]

That's sad

[cyan ravine]

It's the nature of the beast

[tawny violet]

So I guess GRE is highest tier AMD you'd say is okay with that PSU?

[mossy venture]

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

GRE is ok yeah

[tawny violet]

But a 4070 Ti Super would work?

[cyan ravine]

Barrly

[tawny violet]

That's

[teal dome]

[tawny violet]

Honestly kinda wild

[cyan ravine]

4070 ti super would also be more ok

But like

XT is fine just spend the 10$ on the psu

[mossy venture]

40 series should do better with a power limit tho, right?

Also

The 7900xt is like $200 cheaper than the ti super

[cyan ravine]

40 series would be a lot better off

Mhm

[mossy venture]

Psu upgrade is cheaper than that

[cyan ravine]

Yep

[tawny violet]

Well I already have the PSU so I'm trying to figure out what I can do without needing to go full new build

[cyan ravine]

Flip the psu

[tawny violet]

Or pass it down to my stepdad

[cyan ravine]

Flip it or swap for gre imo

Sure

Hand me down works

[tawny violet]

After all he'd get my old rig

That's what we agreed on

So I guess it works out in the end

[cyan ravine]

Just a nice 750w imo

That's pretty much where I'd land

[tawny violet]

Might go Seasonic

[cyan ravine]

Not a lot of options these days between 550 and 750

[cyan ravine]

[tawny violet]

They got some great prices here
Focus GX 750 costs less than my current PSU was when I got it

[cyan ravine]

Ok fair enough

GX would be fine imo

Though 750w

[tawny violet]

What, 750 GX no bueno?

[cyan ravine]

No I'm saying not 650

[tawny violet]

Oh
I mean the 750 GX costs less rn (on sale) than my 650 GQ was when I got it

About a year ago

[cyan ravine]

That's fine

Anything sub 110 usd

Incl. Tax

[tawny violet]

Man you got me freaking out if the 750 GX is bad or something

[cyan ravine]

It's not

[mossy venture]

Gx is a tier

[cyan ravine]

It's just in my experience very sensitive

[mossy venture]

Doesn't like transient loads I think?

Like the GT

[cyan ravine]

Early units had transient issues that they fixed

[mossy venture]

Or leadex iii

[cyan ravine]

But yeah it's still sensitive imo

Does that mean it's bad? No, good in fact

But your life will be better with redundancy on one

[tawny violet]

@cyan ravine what could be alternatives?

Corsair PSUs are priced in gold lately

[cyan ravine]

Idk what's on sale

[tawny violet]

Big sale rn is the GX ones (750 and up)

[cyan ravine]

That's like asking me what's the best packet of snacks to buy

[tawny violet]

Not much else is really discounted

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[tawny violet]

I mean what's better quality?

[cyan ravine]

IDK

GIMME NAMES

[tawny violet]

RM750e is a thing
RM750X

[cyan ravine]

Anything else

[tawny violet]

There's a Chieftec GPX-750

[cyan ravine]

Anything else

There's surely a bunch

[tawny violet]

Probably but searching on phone is tough

It's pretty much the same as in the US for PSUs

[cyan ravine]

Leadex iii agf agl titan gold c series tuf bronze etc etc etc

[tawny violet]

Ye those are all familiar names

They're definitely a thing

It's just my brain shutting down

Apologies

[cyan ravine]

Lol there's no need to panic

What website is this I'll look

Ok I'm looking now

Thermaltake gf a3 750w

Gigabyte ap gm

Ud gm 850w

Or yeah focus gx 750w

Pick one of those

@tawny violet

[mossy venture]

👀

[cyan ravine]

I'm ok with that one

It's the model before p gm and was ok

[mossy venture]

Yeah but...

Pgm

Also stores don't always have the most common sense

[cyan ravine]

Pgm ≠ apgm ≠ udgm

You'll never see me recommend a pgm now but the other units are not the same

[high field]

Can someone help me build another pc.

@mossy venture wanna help me build another pc

U help me in the past

Also @potent portal help me to

[mossy venture]

Budget, country, use case, any personal preferences/needs

Monitor needed or alr owned, and if alr owned what resolution and refresh rate, or just the model

[high field]

Budget is 1000-1500$ and case it doesn’t matter and black case and some rgb and I already have a monitor but probably want the pc to be able to run 1440P to 4k and be able to run warzone and stream.

[mossy venture]

Do you have a monitor, or do you want reccs

$1000
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cXpZh3

$1170
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TT3VjH

$1420
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PjKCN6

[manic mango]

Monitors?

[muted patio]

Flight sim 95 called, wants you to upgrade your monitors

[jagged ember]

Strong ass table bro

It bears the weight of 8 schoolchild crushing CRTs

[high field]

No I don’t have the monitor

[high field]

Which one would u recommend out of all 3 of those?

[stoic island]

The more expensive build is better, but we don't know your financial situation and therefore can't tell you if that extra cost would be worth it to you.

[analog hearth]

I forgot BitFenix existed

[manic cloak]

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100006654+4016

Don’t forget about these

[fossil cedar]

B650 tomahawk for 80$ quite nice

[dusky hearth]

that desk is mighty strong

[dusky hearth]

same thought process

[crimson zinc]

Some of their cases look funny

[sand plover]

WHAT

[strong raft]

felix stretchs a lot, idk. chatablefelix also. --- Getting home around 5pm or so isn't fun (not a flex). Didn't have a chance to go by banks.

[potent portal]

Believe it or not he's only #9, since a lot of those messages are too close together and get counted as one.
https://mee6.xyz/en/leaderboard/500085440221806603

[analog hearth]

Honestly if you're still green wyd 💀

[sand plover]

How many messages does first place have?

[sand plover]

Meanie I had to get a new account

@fleet pasture that is my old one

[analog hearth]

Still green

[analog hearth]

Also couldn't reset the password? 💀

[sand plover]

Wdym?

[analog hearth]

I mean: you could reset the password for that account?

[sand plover]

Just wanted a forever break from everyone there basically

[analog hearth]

Ah

[muted patio]

The one you're on is years older than the other one

[analog hearth]

Block them?

[sand plover]

That’s crazy

[analog hearth]

lol

[sand plover]

It was like 100 people and I was in like 80 server

[muted patio]

2022

[sand plover]

This account I’m friends with 20 people I KNOW and I’m in 3 servers

[analog hearth]

I hate AMD

[muted patio]

How is the one you're on from 2018 "new"

[sand plover]

Yea this is my alt don’t ask how

[sand plover]

I forgot the history

I never used this

[languid nimbus]

Aw it’s almost been 4 years since I joined

[sand plover]

I just ended my friendship with someone of 7 months I made an essay and just sent it

😭

I’m sad now I have to wait for a response

Crap that was quick

[analog hearth]

What..

[languid nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-jerry-mouse-oh-really-what-did-you-say-gif-4567866740137164332

[sand plover]

It was instantly she basically responded

[analog hearth]

Bruh when I end a friendship I say some words I shouldn't say and block the person 💀

[sand plover]

I’m not mean though

I hate ending friendships so that’s why I went to a new account

And he’s a very nice person but I just don’t trust her and problems always happen somehow when I talk to her and others

[sand plover]

Can I dm you what I sent?

I want to show someone even though you won’t understand it

[sand plover]

I was dreaming about the 8090 earlier

[languid nimbus]

Need sli

[manic mango]

RTX8090 doubles as a heat pump

[languid nimbus]

8090 sole cause of global warming

[analog hearth]

My honest reaction tbh

[potent portal]

smh couldn't even photoshop the shadow longer to match

[manic mango]

has an AMD in her wishlist

[manic mango]

maybe it's on equator

I also love that it's like on 3rd floor

[sand plover]

Be nice to the rice crispy I love those things

[analog hearth]

nah

eat that lil guy

[sand plover]

And no way I just watched someone walk just to kick it

[analog hearth]

yeah

haven't even eaten it yet

[sand plover]

THERE SO GOOD

[analog hearth]

they're*

(get angry idc)

lol

[sand plover]

Hisssss

Buy me the ones with marshmallows pleasee

[analog hearth]

nah

like what

[sand plover]

:c

These are good the normal ones

Buy me one NEOW

Ewww it’s so bright

[analog hearth]

bruh

[muted patio]

Smores?

wat

[analog hearth]

go buy it

[sand plover]

IM POOR

[potent portal]

#general-chat

[steel musk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/htJY34

Just leaving a part list my friend made for fun

[tawny violet]

Thankies

[lone flame]

FOR FREE

[analog hearth]

What

I kicked a Rice Crispy Treat

[graceful summit]

should i get a ryzen 5800x or i7 13th gen

[tawny violet]

@graceful summit what's your budget? Do you build new or upgrade? What parts do you already have?

[graceful summit]

i dont have any but i got a guy on whatsapp that sells prebuilts

my budget is 1000$

4060ti

[tawny violet]

Uh

I'd recommend building it yourself if you're comfortable doing so (there are great guides)

You can get a lot better rig that way more than likely

What do you want to do with it?
Just game?

If you just game, what resolution do you want to game at?

[graceful summit]

yea

[graceful summit]

low or medium would be nice

high is too expensive for me i think

[tawny violet]

Nah you can definitely do high graphics for a thousand
Just not in 4k

What screen do you have?

[graceful summit]

144hz

i wanna play medium 300 fps

medium settings

[tawny violet]

Uh

What game?

[graceful summit]

uhhh

fortnite

igg

or uh

gta

[tawny violet]

Okay so

[graceful summit]

cod

[tawny violet]

That's

[graceful summit]

yea cod

[tawny violet]

Well, you have a grand in budget right?

[graceful summit]

yea

[tawny violet]

Let me see what I can cook up for you

[graceful summit]

if its too high make it 1350

but thats all im spending on a pc 😭

[tawny violet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3QqLMV
@graceful summit

I think that has everything

It can do high framerates in 1080p (or 60fps at 1440p)

[mossy citrus]

Ryzen/i 3/5/7/9 doesnt mean anything

[tawny violet]

And you can upgrade the CPU later

I could slap in a more powerful GPU if 1350 is okay

[graceful summit]

let me see

[graceful summit]

rx 6700

[tawny violet]

This one has THE best gaming CPU out there (but the same GPU because budget concerns)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dk6ch3

[graceful summit]

doesnt rx have less features

[tawny violet]

It'll take any later GPU upgrade up to a 4080 Super

[graceful summit]

i heard its like not a gaming thing and its a working thing

[tawny violet]

On the contrary

[graceful summit]

how much fps will i get on warzone

[tawny violet]

It's an old marketing thing

[tawny violet]

Plenty
Warzone prefers AMD graphics cards over Nvidia

Lemme find some numbers

[graceful summit]

what about call of duty zombies

[tawny violet]

It's the same game engine

It'll do about the same

Seems like above 150 average in 1080p

With like 90 fps mins

That's really good

[graceful summit]

idk my friend with a ryzen 7 5800x 3060 12G Oc 16Gb gets 300 on lowest

[tawny violet]

6700XT is faster than the 3060 in COD

To the best of my knowledge

It was probably 170 average on max graphics

6700XT would be plenty for your current needs
And again, in case you ever feel like you don't have enough frames, you can slot in any GPU that's not a 4090 and it'll work finw

[obsidian wigeon]

btw

cod LOVES amd cards

[graceful summit]

oh really

[obsidian wigeon]

so you'll actually get a better experience on 6700xt

[graceful summit]

what about fortnite

[obsidian wigeon]

faster gpu right outta the bat

[graceful summit]

im trynna get something to game on

like everything

[obsidian wigeon]

6700xt is around 3060ti

[crimson zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-breaking-bad-fortnite-fortnite-crew-bcs-gif-10099015880039143548

[graceful summit]

should i get a 6700xt or a 4060 ti

with an i7-13th gen

[obsidian wigeon]

6700xt

[jagged ember]

you shouldn't get a 13th gen chip at all bud

[graceful summit]

what about a 12th gen

[jagged ember]

unless that's what you already have

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd still do 7800x3d tho

[jagged ember]

sure but you're losing performance vs a current gen amd platform

[graceful summit]

should i get a 3070ti then

[obsidian wigeon]

that's the best cpu for gaming

why we don't recommend intel at this moment is to do with all the cpu degradation issues

intel has patched it with a microcode update, but that update reduces performance

[graceful summit]

uhh ill list games i play with my friends and u tell me whats better

Call Of Duty (All)
Fortnite
Valorant
Roblox
GTA (when i get the pc)
SpaceWars
CS:GO 2

[obsidian wigeon]

and 3070ti is just a 3070 that runs hotter btw

it's barely any faster than the non-ti

[graceful summit]

i wanna play all with medium graphics

[graceful summit]

oh

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd do the list blackhole gave you

that's a pretty solid build

[graceful summit]

^

is it good for those games

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah, plenty lol

[graceful summit]

im currently on a laptop cus my pc broke down so i cant play anything except roblox n csgo n spacewars

my pc that brokedown was a 1660 GTX Super i5-11th gen so im looking for a huge step up in an upgrade

[graceful summit]

how much fps would u recon i could get in warzone with that

medium graphics

[obsidian wigeon]

i don't have the exact numbers, but it should be more than you need

[graceful summit]

over 150?

[obsidian wigeon]

easily

[graceful summit]

only problem is the shipping on some of the items

also would i have to build it my self

[jagged ember]

yeah medium no sweat

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

but it's worth the effort

[jagged ember]

you would yeah

[graceful summit]

uh problem is idk how to do that 😭

[jagged ember]

maximize performance minimize cost lol

[graceful summit]

im scared ill break something in the process

[obsidian wigeon]

if you're really uncomfortable we can still find prebuilts

pc building is adult lego

[graceful summit]

yea but im in the UAE

[obsidian wigeon]

stuff is more durable than you think

[graceful summit]

shipping is like 100$

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

[graceful summit]

so i would have to get one thats free shipping

[jagged ember]

ah

[obsidian wigeon]

i suppose

[jagged ember]

time to remake the list in his region?

[obsidian wigeon]

a prebuilt is better lol

or something

[graceful summit]

yea

im eternally grateful for the help btw

[obsidian wigeon]

lemme see what i can do

[graceful summit]

cus this is the only site that takes crypto

[obsidian wigeon]

can you give us your budget in your currency?

[graceful summit]

3650 i guess

[obsidian wigeon]

aed?

or something

[graceful summit]

yea

aed

[obsidian wigeon]

newegg is showing dh lol

weird af

[graceful summit]

yea dh is aed

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

[graceful summit]

but diff name for it

[obsidian wigeon]

kk

[graceful summit]

okay can u ping me once ur sending a text btw

[jagged ember]

bro lives in an Automated External Defibrillator

[graceful summit]

cus it just shows the channel as white

[graceful summit]

wjats tjat 😭

aed is the currency

[jagged ember]

it's just an automated defib system for lifesaving lol

[graceful summit]

yea im not a pc expert but my friend would probably understand that joke 😭

[tawny violet]

Oh you're in the UAE

[graceful summit]

yea the shipping is crazy fees 😭

[tawny violet]

Well I'd still do the same list, but you'd have to source it locally
Linus made the guide to build it

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.newegg.com/global/ae-en/p/N82E16883151492?item=N82E16883151492

your best bet for a prebuilt

[graceful summit]

13th gen i5

[tawny violet]

It's my current go-to "Maximum value with maximum upgrade potential" list unironically

[obsidian wigeon]

that certain cpu is safe from issues

[tawny violet]

For sure?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

13400f is fine

[tawny violet]

Apparently ALL 13/14th gen chips 65w or more TDP are affected

[graceful summit]

isnt 13th the newest i5

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[graceful summit]

thats sick my friend has it

[obsidian wigeon]

14th gen exists but it's the same thing

[tawny violet]

13400f is 65w right?

[graceful summit]

is the shipping free

[obsidian wigeon]

ye, but it's ok

free shipping yes

[graceful summit]

so i could get this boy for 780$

pin point

[tawny violet]

But you'd be stuck with very, very little upgrade potential

[graceful summit]

what do you mean

[tawny violet]

That's what you get and that's all you can get

[obsidian wigeon]

it's a standard atx system

it's not oem lol

[tawny violet]

He'd have to get everything for upgrades
You can't just slot in a better GPU and call it a day

That's kinda why I don't like prebuilts

[graceful summit]

i wanna hold this for like 2 years u think thats long enough?

[obsidian wigeon]

also i don't think it matters for our guy in this case

[tawny violet]

Fair point

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

it'll last past 2 years

[tawny violet]

I just like suggesting actually proper good lists

[graceful summit]

cus 2 years is when i have to quit everything for military

[tawny violet]

Ones that you can just keep going with

[obsidian wigeon]

i get ya, but shipping is pain over long distances

[tawny violet]

Ye I didn't know they're in the UAE

That changes things

[obsidian wigeon]

mhm

[graceful summit]

how long do you think its gonna take

a week?

[obsidian wigeon]

usually a week or more

check newegg's estimates

[graceful summit]

let me see

[tawny violet]

That's actually not an awful PC

I mean it's worse value than my list (I'd hope)
But it's not a ripoff

[graceful summit]

uhh how much would i pull in warzone medium

do u recon

[obsidian wigeon]

i believe 100+

lemme check again lol

[tawny violet]

Not exactly familiar with the 4060

But it'd probably be less than the 6700XT

[graceful summit]

okay

[obsidian wigeon]

assuming 1080p

[graceful summit]

yea

dont need all that fancy stuff

[obsidian wigeon]

good

[tawny violet]

6700XT is just a really good card (gives good perf for not much money)

[graceful summit]

does it run minecraft shaders (for a friend)

[tawny violet]

It's the one I have so I can vouch for it

[tawny violet]

Should do well

[graceful summit]

he wont get a pc unless it runs minecraft shaders

like realistic

ones

[obsidian wigeon]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ywyue1E6I

this doesn't show medium but

but assume 1440p low is your medium

[tawny violet]

Split the FPS numbers down the middle lel

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[graceful summit]

why

[obsidian wigeon]

it's the video maker's choice

[graceful summit]

so imma get 100 fps?

[tawny violet]

On average

Lows roughly around 80s iirc

[graceful summit]

awh man

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[graceful summit]

isnt there a bette rone

[obsidian wigeon]

you should get 100

[graceful summit]

cus we still get 300$ in the budget

[tawny violet]

Considering your limitations that's about as good as possible

[graceful summit]

we could build one?

[obsidian wigeon]

lemme try

[graceful summit]

okay ty ty

80 fps is like kinda laggy yk

[tawny violet]

You can do the first list I sent and build it yourself if you're willing to find the parts locally

[jagged ember]

shipping costs are gonna be a pain tho lol

[tawny violet]

You don't have to order them from the US

[graceful summit]

my 1660 gtx i5 - 11th gen ran 60 fps avg

low settings

40-60

so i dont think its gonna be that low

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.newegg.com/global/ae-en/msi-codex-r-13nud-064us/p/N82E16883151394?item=N82E16883151394

is this in your budget?

4060ti

[graceful summit]

i like what i see

yes

how much do u recon

[obsidian wigeon]

should guarantee more yields

[graceful summit]

in fps

like 150??

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

[tawny violet]

If you open my list
And just look at the local retailers for the parts
You can build my list yourself
But you'd have to build it yourself

[graceful summit]

my friend with a 3060 12 OC ryzen 5800x

gets 150 but

[tawny violet]

It's the more DIY method

[graceful summit]

this is good noeugh

[tawny violet]

4060 Ti should do more than a 3060

Quite a bit more in fact

[graceful summit]

yea but slight problem is i have no experience or seen anything abouyt that😭

[tawny violet]

It's really not difficult

[obsidian wigeon]

4060to should be doable

[graceful summit]

my only experience is changing the ram thats it and thats like a lego thingy

[tawny violet]

I have basically no experience and managed to build my own rig (well technically rebuild but same idea)

[obsidian wigeon]

looking at ultra, it pulls 100fps or so

[graceful summit]

i think imma buy that

[obsidian wigeon]

90-100

that's ultra btw

[graceful summit]

ooo

[obsidian wigeon]

medium should be much higher

[tawny violet]

It's still not the 6700XT level, but it's fast

[graceful summit]

my dad would prob take it to some guy to build it

[tawny violet]

That also works

[graceful summit]

so its good

[obsidian wigeon]

enable dlss quality, or balanced if you're ok with some decrease in fodelity

[tawny violet]

It is as good as you can reasonably get for this price bracket

[graceful summit]

imma have to buy a new monitor but ill do that with irl cash

[obsidian wigeon]

you get more fps with a small cost of fidelity

[graceful summit]

whats that 😭

[obsidian wigeon]

dlss is an upscaler

[graceful summit]

i dont need crazy graphics i dont like when the games look too realistic

[jagged ember]

DLSS is really nice tho

[graceful summit]

creeps me out

[obsidian wigeon]

it renders your game at a lower res then scales it back up

then you'll like dlss

[jagged ember]

can notably boost your performance

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[graceful summit]

dlss

lemme look iot up

[obsidian wigeon]

it can even look better than native

[jagged ember]

true

[graceful summit]

DLSS is a monitor thing?

[jagged ember]

No it's a game/driver thing

[graceful summit]

ohh i had the nvidia app

[obsidian wigeon]

it's built into nvidia gpus

since 20 series

[jagged ember]

Games need to support DLSS in order for you to use it

[graceful summit]

is that pc an invida

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[graceful summit]

yay

[obsidian wigeon]

4060ti is an nvidia card

[jagged ember]

TBF, FSR 3.0 is already also great

[graceful summit]

yea idek that much abt pcs but ik like beginner thingies

[obsidian wigeon]

amd has fsr

[jagged ember]

and with 3.1/3.2 they're adding frame gen to a wide range of cards iirc

[obsidian wigeon]

nvidia has dlss

[graceful summit]

what is that

[jagged ember]

nvidia (stupidly) locks frame gen behind 4000 series only

[obsidian wigeon]

fsr is amd's version of dlss

xess from Intel

and so on

[graceful summit]

yea ill use dlss lemme put it on my notes

app

[obsidian wigeon]

tbh for $7 you can get a better fg solution than fsr 3

[graceful summit]

is there a thing for me to not keep going down in fps

[obsidian wigeon]

you wouldn't have to worry with 13400f and 4060ti lol

don't think it too deep, it'll be fine

[graceful summit]

oh okay i dont wanna get paranoid the day i buy it 😭

[obsidian wigeon]

wait it has 13700f

that's even better

yeah you'll surely get 150 fps or more lmao

[graceful summit]

lets goo

i had to make money online for quite a while cus my dad doesnt like pcs

ended up with 3000

[obsidian wigeon]

nice

[mossy venture]

7700 4070 16gb ddr5 1tb ssd $855
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155985541671?

$644 7700x 4060 1tb ssd 16gb ddr5
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156182466791?

I would much rather one of those over the abs build

[obsidian wigeon]

id definitely do the 4070

if they ship to uae

[mossy venture]

Ohh uae

I'm unsure

[obsidian wigeon]

but wait our guy is paying in crypto too

[graceful summit]

yea

[mossy venture]

Oof

[obsidian wigeon]

that's why i threw that prebuilt to him lol

[graceful summit]

its good tho

[obsidian wigeon]

not the greatest but it'll be fast enough

[mossy venture]

Yep you right

[graceful summit]

yea but i dont need a beast

[mossy venture]

Ye I didn't realize you weren't us based

[graceful summit]

i want something i can have fun with my friends with without having horrible fps drops every 10 seconds

[obsidian wigeon]

it'll only be in service for 2 years also

military reasons

[mossy venture]

Ah

[graceful summit]

yea but ill give it to my siblings after me so

[mossy venture]

Plenty

[obsidian wigeon]

so ye all in all it's plenty

[graceful summit]

plenty of

[obsidian wigeon]

plenty of gaming performance in reserve

[graceful summit]

oh yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

you, then your siblings will be happy for many years with it

[graceful summit]

yea true

[obsidian wigeon]

1080p gaming isn't that demanding tbf

[graceful summit]

but my brother has been limited for so long

hes on a laggy laptop

so would be a good jump tbf

[obsidian wigeon]

i had the same vibe jumping from a laptop with 850m to another one with 4050

i don't play cod tho

not my cup of tea

but i do play roblox

[graceful summit]

yea idk i was on a laggy laptop in 2016 and used the same laptop till 2021 until my brother gave me his pc cus he didnt use it and i used that until last week when it broke down

so now im buying a new one

now im on a laptop but its like not that horrible

[graceful summit]

yea roblox is cool but nothing to play on it anymore so if im on it im probably just on home screen

doing smth else

[obsidian wigeon]

fair enough

[graceful summit]

like rn

i been on home screen for an hour

[obsidian wigeon]

i have a few games i frequent

[graceful summit]

cus im limited to games rn cus i cant play anything

on this laptop

[graceful summit]

which are

put me on

[obsidian wigeon]

they're mostly just

driving games

[graceful summit]

yea i like drift games on roblox but i hate the ones outside of it cus theyre too realistic

i like the game feeling

[obsidian wigeon]

then my games that i play aren't really for you

[graceful summit]

o rly

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[graceful summit]

i play alot of counter blox cus its basically counter strike but on roblox 😭

[sharp pelican]

yooo

need some buying advice on sata ssd's

[obsidian wigeon]

mx500

[sharp pelican]

idk

i got a 1tb from them

need a 4tb drive

[graceful summit]

hi so does this have to be my address or my street and down there my real address

[sharp pelican]

what

no?

[graceful summit]

im confused

[sharp pelican]

whats forcing you to not put your real address

[graceful summit]

address is required

[sharp pelican]

just put it in the area

up the street, around the corner

idk

[jagged ember]

is that not the shipping address

[graceful summit]

it is

[sharp pelican]

oh

[jagged ember]

well

[sharp pelican]

then

ya

[jagged ember]

where do you want it to ship?

[graceful summit]

my home

[sharp pelican]

ok

[graceful summit]

yea

[jagged ember]

then you gotta put in your home address

[sharp pelican]

basically

[jagged ember]

The top search function there should try to give an address based on what you input

[graceful summit]

yea my home location isnt there

[jagged ember]

If you don't trust the search function the bar below should let you manually input everything

or if it doesn't work

[graceful summit]

ok i put my home location up

and down

would it ship there

[sharp pelican]

probably

[graceful summit]

hopefully they dont put it 45 mins away and expect me to come pick it up

currently on 40 fps counter strike

[dusky hearth]

Me mainly playing beamng:

Oh roblox

I used to play car crushers

[little osprey]

I got a completely new windows download for my pc yesterday, and just now it wants to stop working

My friend came over, wiped my entire drive, downloaded windows 10, and it just doesnt want to download anything completely, my taskbar glitches out sometimes, and my search bar is blank

even telegram doesnt wanna work

im not sure if its a CPU issue or an OS issue

[analog hearth]

Are you on a hard drive?

[little osprey]

SSD

or wdym

[analog hearth]

just making sure lol

Sounds like a hard drive thing for some programs to just not work lmao

[little osprey]

so what should I do?

[analog hearth]

I know that it's a new installation but try running sfc /scannow

[analog hearth]

open CMD as Administrator

[analog hearth]

Restart your computer and try running Telegram

It's also possible that your SSD is just a bad SSD. It's weird but I had weird OS issues like that before and I couldn't fix them no matter what I did. I ended up just getting another boot drive

It was weird because I could launch basically every game other than Forza Horizon 5. But when I got FH5 to launch, it kept throwing memory errors. The other games didn't do that

[little osprey]

it works now but the search still doesnt work

[little osprey]

possibly, it was a 70 dollar 1 TB SSD from TForce

maybe its just old or outdated

[analog hearth]

It's age being the issue is possible. That's kinda how my issues went

[analog hearth]

atp I'd just make sure Windows is fully updated and you have all of your drivers installed. Still not working? I'd imagine it's the SSD

[muted patio]

CrystalDiskMark, DL and run, check SMART readings

If it's a large name brand SSD, most manu's have testing and health software available

[serene onyx]

https://a.co/d/4hGeTOG

Is this a good mobo?

It’s gonna go with a Ryzen 9 7900x3d

Aslong as it has WiFi

[obsidian wigeon]

do you really need the extra cpu cores?

because 7800x3d is faster in gamering

[muted patio]

Plus core parking weirdness on the 7900X3D with dual CCD's

[mossy venture]

It's fine, personally I prefer this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CvcgXL/gigabyte-b650-eagle-ax-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-eagle-ax

[serene onyx]

Thanks

[real flicker]

so my friend is ready to get a new pc any help picking parts 2000-2500 uk pounds, budget, 1440p gaming, some video editing and streaming, mostly gaming, tarkov/COD mostly, premier for editing, blackout with rbg, nv5 case he likes,

[mossy venture]

Is the video editing professional?

And what resolution/s would he be editing in

It's the difference between 7950x3d with 64gb ram or 7800x3d with 32gb

[real flicker]

no just like youtube, twitch amature kinda stuff, probably record in native 1440p

[mossy venture]

Ah got it

Ty

[mossy venture]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jJgXjH

Could go more expensive but it would mainly be diminishing returns

The aesthetic could be changed depending on personal preference

[real flicker]

any benefit in gonig 64gb ram games and bit these days seem to be draining it more and more?

[mossy venture]

If he's running a game plus like 10 other tasks maybe

Ram use is dynamic, if rams available games use more even if it's unnecessary

No game would use more than 16gb alone

[real flicker]

good to know

[mossy venture]

Felix could probably do a better job explaining that

I don't fully understand how it works honestly just repeating what someone explained to me a while back

[real flicker]

its chill the basics is fine aha

[sand plover]

Same specs as what I want $500 cheaper 😭

[muted patio]

Uh, that's in pounds, not dollars

[sand plover]

They are kinda similar

[muted patio]

1778 pounds is 2250 USD

[sand plover]

Oh wait I thought they were much closer then then

I was thinking it was like 1800-1900

[fossil cedar]

You're thinking of euro

They're almost 1:1.1

[sand plover]

Oh yea probably

[fossil cedar]

Actually they're exactly that yeah

[sand plover]

Wow

[dusky hearth]

Iirc usd was even weaker back then

[sand plover]

Oh probably

[dusky hearth]

Yeah, back then it was 5 usd per GBP

[wary gale]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/typbBL w pc build budget 850$

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KkTHdH

Cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zgLDGP

Could do a cheaper case too

If you wanted a better gpu 6700xt at $280 is a good choice, or I can grab a link for a refurb 3070 at $270

It's worth mentioning
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156164986742

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156164986914

[lone flame]

once again asking for help with this, no presssure to respond, im just out of ideas

[obsidian wigeon]

when in doubt

reinstall windows

(painful but sometimes it be like dat)

[jagged ember]

true

assuming an sfc and dism was already done

and disabling the headset BT call/audio didn't work either, same with a full reinstall

[lone flame]

what is sfc and dism

[potent portal]

?fixes

[jolly river]

Link to a general windows fixes and scans by Risen
https://github.com/Ryzen5950XT/Windows-stuff/releases/download/Windows-utilities-and-fixes-batch-file/Win.Utils.Fixes.Latest.launcher.bat

[potent portal]

Run that, let it download the script, option 1, 1

[jagged ember]

mmhm

basically just scans windows for issues and fixes em

[restive halo]

Good morning

Whats up @potent portal

[fossil cedar]

Uh no, maxed out at 2 usd per gbp, that's like 2006-2008 era

[fossil cedar]

Idk if 7500f comes with a cooler but if it does that would work for it fine btw, but obvs true bacccas list is better

Could remove the cooler assuming 7500f has a stock one

[dusky hearth]

https://www.measuringworth.com/datasets/exchangepound/result.php?year_source=1900&year_result=2012

Idk how accurate this is but from the 1800-1900 it's like 5

[fossil cedar]

Well okay but i highly doubt they where born near the year 1900

[dusky hearth]

I was replying to this

[fossil cedar]

They thought the list was like 1800-1900 usd because it was a uk.pc part picker list

Because it was £1780 lol

[dusky hearth]

Oh

I thought they meant years

☠️

[fossil cedar]

Lol all good

[analog hearth]

What is this?

[muted patio]

It's a script that opens PowerShell and runs commands

[potent portal]

It can be used for all kinds of things, sfc and dism automation are just the start

[analog hearth]

ooh bett thanks

[fossil cedar]

Actually all uses batches which he was psychotic for but

[potent portal]

The automatic elevation check and request part is the longest section of the script, it's a pain without powershell

[muted patio]

You realize we both just said the same thing right?

"A batch file is a script file that stores commands to be executed in a serial order."

[potent portal]

It's not technically a powershell script is what he means

it's a .bat

Splitting hairs

[muted patio]

Ok, I apologize for not using the precise technical terms and generalizing

[fossil cedar]

No ik relatively same thing

But I'm saying he pain stakingly wrote it in batch instead of powershell

Which is a much harder language to write in

[lone flame]

running it now

said it found some corrupt stuff it fixed, letting it finish rn

how long does it normally take?

[potent portal]

It depends, but usually not too long

Grab a drink and it's usually done if you're on a ssd

[lone flame]

so did that do anything? can I just hit 3 and exit?

[potent portal]

Yep

Reboot after

[lone flame]

just like the pc reset in windows when you go to power off a pc?

[potent portal]

Just a normal restart

[lone flame]

making sure lmao

okay back in, let me go see if that fixed any of my steam audio issues

it did not, still no audio on the 2 games ive noticed

whenever I open doom the screen flashes like a dark green

but it was doing that before

[jagged ember]

We tried audio and GPU drivers already too including ddu I assume

[scarlet rampart]

I have a problem. I just got my hdmi to displayport cable to use for a second monitor but my second monitor is black. My pc detects the monitor but its just black. Any help?

[jagged ember]

Checked if the monitor is on?

Is Windows projecting to the main screen only?

[scarlet rampart]

the monitor is on, on the correct hdmi mode, I go to my display settings, it detects 2 monitors

@jagged ember i found the solution. appreciate your assistance

[jagged ember]

Oh sick what fixed it

[jagged ember]

Just so I know haha I'm curious

[scarlet rampart]

well i had gotten a new graphics card not to long ago it has 3 displayports and 1 hdmi, all i seemed to do was disconnect the displayport and connect it to the very first one and it just popped up working

[lone flame]

im not sure if i ever checked audio drivers

whenever im in either game I try to use the buttons to change volume on my phsyically bluetooth headphones and it just doesnt detect the headphones

soon as i back out its fine

[jagged ember]

OH yeah GPUs be like that sometimes

[jagged ember]

Try repairing them

[lone flame]

repair what

[jagged ember]

Sorry

Re-pairing to the pc

[lone flame]

ive probably done that

[jagged ember]

If not work go to device manager and find the BT headphones under sound/audio or something along those lines, uninstall them, unpair the headphones from the PC and restart

Then pair again

[brittle tinsel]

Should fast boot be turned off? ive just discovered it doesnt fully shut down the pc. I turned my pc on and with nothing open sitting at the desktop, it was visually stuttering. I looked at task manager, it was running .8 ghz on a 34 day uptime. Restarted the PC and im back to normal with a 0 uptime.

[jagged ember]

yes.

If I shut down my computer I WANT IT TO SHUT DOWN NOT HIBERNATE

[lone flame]

i just did that but as soon as I restarted they just insta repaired, can i forget device somehow in bluetooth settings

[jagged ember]

yeah you can

[brittle tinsel]

I had it on because the old pc I had before I built this would take 15 minutes to boot towards its and of life.

on a sidenote, would unplugging the pc during its "hibernating" state cause damage or issues?

[jagged ember]

should be available when you click into the bt headphones in the bluetooth settings

[jagged ember]

was it running on just an HDD?

if you actually selected hibernation? nope

[brittle tinsel]

a 5400rpm hdd, some knock off brand that had no english on it at all (was a cheap prebuilt, lesson learned)

[jagged ember]

LOLL yeah that thing's slow af

my 5400rpm storage drive can't even load a bunch of photos fast

but it's big so

[brittle tinsel]

how much slower would fast boot being off make my current boot? (no exact time but if I guessed, under a minute to make it to type in the password.

im on an ssd for boot

[jagged ember]

no difference

[brittle tinsel]

2.5inch not m.2

[jagged ember]

unless its a really bad ssd

like, terrible hot garbage cheapo ssd from AFEAUH on amazon

[brittle tinsel]

western digital hasnt steered me or my friends and family wrong but everyone in here seems to hate on them

[jagged ember]

WD is aight lol

[mossy venture]

It's just a value thing

[jagged ember]

Idk about the failure rates of their ssds, but on the HDD front IIRC seagate HDDs fail more

[mossy venture]

Typically overpriced compared to the competition

[jagged ember]

yeah value for sure

[mossy venture]

Reliability/reputation wise they're great

[brittle tinsel]

I will never buy seagate anything or samsung

[jagged ember]

fair

[brittle tinsel]

western digital is typically overpriced or another brand?

[jagged ember]

WD

its a little like samsung ssds before they started dying randomly-

expensive, but reliable

[lone flame]

failed??

[mossy venture]

Like sn850x 4tb is $300 or smthn like that

S70 blade same tier, and $190 atm

[dusky hearth]

bluetooth on windows moment

[brittle tinsel]

really? wd seems to be about the middle range, especially compared to samsung and seagate personally

[mossy venture]

That's on a great sale, but it's typically around 260

[dusky hearth]

this happens on all my pcs occasionally

[mossy venture]

It depends what you're looking at

Are you looking to get an ssd or hdd

And what capacity

Hands down this is best value atm
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Bf9wrH/adata-xpg-gammix-s70-blade-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-agammixs70b-4t-cs

[brittle tinsel]

I have a couple of wd 4tb hdds and a 2tb ssd

[lone flame]

how do you get it to remove

[brittle tinsel]

I believe they are all green but I get either blue or green, I dont do any of their other colors

[dusky hearth]

hope and pray after pressing the button

[jagged ember]

pretty much yeah

[lone flame]

why should something so simple be so complicated

[jagged ember]

sheeeesh

[lone flame]

ive been clicking it for like 5 mins now should i like reset my pc

[jagged ember]

binbows michaelsoft

that's why

maybe do a restart and try again haha

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-collapse-defeated-gif-14214156

ok

[jagged ember]

also could try opening device manager and scanning for hardware changes when you're back in too

[lone flame]

it still wont bro

just REMOVE IT

it still says paired before i try removing it is that why

[jagged ember]

try that

and maybe also try re-installing your audio drivers from the mobo manufacturer

search your motherboard name and its manufacturer, go into the support/downloads page and look for the latest audio drivers

download the file and run it

[lone flame]

will doing that override whatever i have installed now

[lone flame]

idk what that is supposed to do

am i still trying to unpair my headphones at this point

[jagged ember]

so that scans for anything windows might be missing rn and installs it