So that would mean intel was confident in 12th gen, and did unlocked voltage for 13th-14th bc they wanted more performance to compete with am5
#building-and-recc-chat
mossy venture
vague oracle
Full 6.0 at 366w 
cyan ravine
It normally peaks around there for 129K at ambient
mossy venture
Msi z690-a pro
cyan ravine
13900K I have definitely had a few times at 400+W sustained for all core
mossy venture
My ram oc was unstable and I had to reset it
mossy venture
Sips helped me with it too, 3600cl16 (don't ask me what the changes were, I do not know the names of individual timings) on rev e
Though honestly I don't know if that's even what's been causing my issues
Randomly playing games, sometimes when I alt tab, sometimes in the middle of nowhere, my screen freezes except for my cursor
cyan ravine
Msi z690-a pro
Also don't forget Fal lost a 5800X to an msi bios update
So you know
Whack bios
Lol
mossy venture
Randomly playing games, sometimes when I alt tab, sometimes in the middle of now...
I can still hear everything
Mic, headset, mouse all work
cyan ravine
Randomly playing games, sometimes when I alt tab, sometimes in the middle of now...
Sounds like gpu
mossy venture
I'm worried the 3060 ti is on its way out
cyan ravine
Highly unlikely
mossy venture
Which would suck bc im trying to save money right now, and I need to sell the 6700xt I have
cyan ravine
It's out of the typical failure zone for 30 series, that card
Eh why keep 3060ti
Use 6709xt
mossy venture
I did mine on it for at least a few months with unsafe power limits
cyan ravine
Sell 3060ti
mossy venture
And no underclock
cyan ravine
I did mine on it for at least a few months with unsafe power limits
Wouldn't change anything
mossy venture
Use 6709xt
3060 ti needs new pads, paste, and fans
cyan ravine
If it's under throttle it's fine
mossy venture
None of which I'm messing with, I am too clumsy with a whole pc let alone all that
If the 3060 ti is broken I know a dude who repairs gpus, id probably sell it to him and use the 6700xt
cyan ravine
Pads and paste are normal maintenance lol
mossy venture
I know
cyan ravine
If the 3060 ti is broken I know a dude who repairs gpus, id probably sell it to ...
He'll lowball you man
vague oracle
Direct die definitely does 500W
Shame I degraded my 13900k, 6.0 all core still with the lid on, I wonder what I could do with it delidded
mossy venture
I'm just very heavy handed and clumsy
mossy venture
He'll lowball you man
I'd probably get around 170
cyan ravine
That's kinda low
cyan ravine
250
mossy venture
Hopefully it isn't broken at all
crimson zinc
@mossy venture i5-9600K?
mossy venture
Good
cyan ravine
Maybe 220
crimson zinc
I don’t know which comparison site to trust so
mossy venture
Hopefully it isn't broken at all
The Temps are fine but the fans get very loud above 70%
cyan ravine
Titan xp costs more and is slower
cyan ravine
Shame I degraded my 13900k, 6.0 all core still with the lid on, I wonder what I ...
I'm really glad I was careful with my chips, but now I got to figure out what I do with them next
mossy venture
3070 is around 275 in the US
cyan ravine
Hotspot is in the 90s
That's fine
mossy venture
A 3060 ti needing repair 170-190 sounds pretty fair imo
cyan ravine
It doesn't need repaste
mossy venture
That's fine
Yeah
cyan ravine
A 3060 ti needing repair 170-190 sounds pretty fair imo
Doesn't need repair
90's hotspot is perfect fine
My 3090 ran like that stock
Still runs
vague oracle
I'm really glad I was careful with my chips, but now I got to figure out what I ...
It’s still chill tho, I can still do stock clocks at normal voltages without any issue
mossy venture
It's four years old and was mining about a year and a half, gaming the whole four years
It's definitely time for new paste/pads
cyan ravine
If temps are fine tho I wouldn't bother
mossy venture
And the fans 100% are damaged
cyan ravine
mossy venture
If temps are fine tho I wouldn't bother
That's fair, I've been power limiting and overclocking it, I mostly only play ow and valorant as is lmao
I've got no one to play the heavy games I used to enjoy with
My friend group has a 3200g and a 3400g+1650 build
mossy venture
How did you damage the fans
When I first started mining I didn't limit them, I put them to 85-100% at all times
For the first 3-5 months
I had no common sense
stoic island
For the first 3-5 months
Did it die that quickly? Shouldn't have been too much for them
mossy venture
performance wise i don't think they're damaged necesarily
maybe worse than new, but passable
they're just so god damn loud
above 70% they sound like a jett engine
and they go above 70% with stock settings very easily
cyan ravine
If they're just loud then it's whatever
I'd sell it full price lol
Not broken, not something anyone would notice is a problem nor really counts as a problem either
dusty cedar
Alright, so I gotta question about mobos with backside connections for a cleaner looking setup.
Most of those board says you need a special or specific case for them. But is that actually even true? Or could you actually use any case you wanted and just dremel out the space you need for those board in any case you wanted to use instead of what these companies claim as "compatible."
Just a thought I had after reading this
cyan ravine
Alright, so I gotta question about mobos with backside connections for a cleaner...
Yes it's true
The cutouts for the connectors to fit don't exist on a vast number of cases
dusty cedar
You're not getting what I'm saying though
cyan ravine
Oh dremmel
stoic island
Cases don't need to do anything electrically other than maybe the power button
cyan ravine
I mean you could? Could look really nasty tho
stoic island
You can mess with a metal slab in any way and the PC will be fine
cyan ravine
Also metal dust
You'd have to clean it thoroughly
That will be a lot
It's not a small cut
stoic island
Yea but still theoretically doable
cyan ravine
In theory yes
Spacing also needs consideration as it goes around standoffs
You can compromise the integrity of the mount if you don't have the cuts far enough away from the standoffs
stoic island
Screw locations are still standard for ATX so I doubt they'll have slots too close to where the screws will go
cyan ravine
Potentially yes
dusty cedar
That's why I said dremel and not an angle grinder with a cutoff disc. Dremel is much smaller and can be more precise
cyan ravine
Yes but if the 24pin is right next to a standoff that means the spacing will be difficult
And potentially the standoff is now defunct
You need adequate spacing else the standoff won't do anything
stoic island
Although I think it should be fine considering there's no slots below it so the screw by the 24pin is held on from below
cyan ravine
You could get sagging against the panel for example
Suddenly your clean board is now tilting like the tower of pisa
dusty cedar
How much metal are you thinking would be removed? I was thinking just enough around where the connections need to go. Not removing huge pieces of the case
stoic island
Suddenly your clean board is now tilting like the tower of pisa
Some diy standoffs with anything from Legos to rubber grommets to cloth will be fine
cyan ravine
How much metal are you thinking would be removed? I was thinking just enough aro...
That's what I'm thinking as much too, but I've seen the way these cases look
stoic island
To be fair the USB headers might be close to the 24pin now that I think about it again
cyan ravine
Especially boards like project zero have ALL cables back mounted
Entire strips of metal gone
dusty cedar
I haven't. I'm about to go take a look. But I figured it was worth talking about for custom builds
cyan ravine
To be fair the USB headers might be close to the 24pin now that I think about it...
It's a point of genuine consideration
You may not even be able to cut that close to the standoff without bending or damaging it
Considerable thought required and ample metal dust cleaning to prevent post-op issues
stoic island
Tbh looks okay from MSI advertising of backside
dusty cedar
That's not even a lot of cutting in any other case that you would need to do.
stoic island
It's a ring of new cutouts with enough metal connecting it to the rest of the case
dusty cedar
Well yeah but you're not gonna need to make all those cuts anyways. Just for the things you actually need to pass through to the board
cyan ravine
Those boards are made with that spacing in mind tho is my entire point
dusty cedar
What spacing are you talking about specifically
stoic island
I'd imagine you just need to do something like this to a normal case
dusty cedar
Leave the standoff holes in place.
stoic island
Standoffs are still fine where they are
dusty cedar
Exactly what I was trying to say
Only cut where you need to. You don't need all that extra space the ones with precut holes are at
The premades are there to give you more options for stuff you probably won't use anyways
stoic island
Would take some work but it's worth trying on like a cheaper case you wouldn't care about screwing up
dusty cedar
If I get a board with those back connections I will.
stoic island
I probably wouldn't say no until you do try it lol
dusty cedar
I'm good at building things and taking measurements. You really just need to make a template and then transfer that to the case and make the cutouts that you need
This way you cut only what you need to and nothing more
stoic island
I can see what Felix is talking about but I think we can compromise some of the quality for a personal mod, it can be more flimsy and the standoff may bend or not properly secure but that may still be fine for a personal build
dusty cedar
Maybe slightly case dependant is what you're suggesting then? I'm not talking about the precut boards from the factory when I say that. But if you were to try and modify a case to accept those boards then it would be slightly dependant on the case itself
So this is my current case. All I would have to do to make a backside connection mobo work in it is make these cuts.
Basically enlarge the lower ones already there to pass my power cables through to the front, remove that upper section for the cpu power cables and remove that one piece by the large pass-through for the board power cable.
Standoffs still have structural integrity and nothing is lost
What is it that you think im missing when you say the standoffs would be flimsy? They still keep their rigidity. And you could still mount and use them
stoic island
Sometimes standoffs in the case have that curved section around it, if you cut part of the curved section to make the hole, it might be free to lean in the direction of the hole, even without directly cutting next to the standoff
Idk if I'm english-ing though
manic cloak
Okay so if I were to buy thermal pads
what exactly do I buy? I was suggested gelid ultimate
I know the pads have to be 1mm thick, but do they all just come with the right things? Cause I see like these pads looking like fries then ones that are squares
Do I have to cut it?
potent portal
Okay so if I were to buy thermal pads
Do you know what thickness and hardness you need?
manic cloak
Do you know what thickness and hardness you need?
All I was told by sapphire is 1mm, but they haven't replied since
No idea on hardness.
potent portal
If you're not sure then just get a bottle of K5 Pro and use that instead of pads
cyan ravine
Do you know what thickness and hardness you need?
By far more important than general thickness as well
manic cloak
All they were concerned about too was my warranty & if my cards okay 💀
cyan ravine
Wrong density but right thickness thermal pads = bad contact as if you had the wrong thickness anyway
potent portal
Yep. A harder pad would need to be thinner than a soft one, since it won't squish down as much.
manic cloak
Hmm I assume the density wouldn't be too hard though
Looking at the 7700xt pulse model it seems firm but they don't list anything about the pads
Not from what I can see
potent portal
The gelid pads are pretty soft, so 1mm will squish down to about 0.7mm
Stock pads are usually fairly hard
manic cloak
Should I try 1.5 then?
potent portal
Nah I'd just get K5 pro
There's no way to get that wrong
Put too much and it's just harder to clean up later
Unlike if you get a pad that's too thick and you get bad contact on the core
manic cloak
Nah I'd just get K5 pro
what's the diff between u6 pro and k5 pro?
potent portal
Supposedly U6 is better but about twice as expensive
manic cloak
manic cloak
Ya, it's 20$ for the 20g though
I wouldn't think I need much for the card anyways
or am I mistaken
potent portal
I don't know how many pads your GPU uses
potent portal
Which will be very different from a 7800XT
manic cloak
Sadly
cyan ravine
Should I try 1.5 then?
As fal said, get k5 pro, or if you're scared of that, get a digital caliper, measure them by hand, go seek out similar quality pads at that thickness
On rdna 3 they use gddr6, they don't need perfect cooling like gddr6x
K5 is honestly ample
potent portal
Yeah not looking forward to repadding my 3080 ti 😭
Gotta get the real nice stuff to handle the extra heat. The stock pads have me hitting 100C on memory sometimes.
cyan ravine
Yeah not looking forward to repadding my 3080 ti 😭
Gotta get the real nice stu...
May be worth getting a large pad of ptm
Ptm will squish
2.5mm thick
manic cloak
I see 5 pads, and 2 of those longer pads that go on the pipes of the heatsink
potent portal
Mm is different from mm, thanks metric
potent portal
Megameters of thickness lol
cyan ravine
LOL
manic cloak
Okay figured out the pulse has 2 of those long french fry looking pads from looking at my card, then 8 of those square pads, 5 being counted from what I can see and using both the reference and nitro 7800xt models to count the ones I can't see (3). I assume 20g is enough then?
Also let's say I was able to use thermal pads with right thickness & density or the k5 pro, what major difference would it really show except for price?
potent portal
If you get the right pads then it'll just be cleaner
As long as it's not at 100C then you won't notice any difference from temps
K5 pro does get a little messy
I'd go for 20g just to be safe, and it never hurts to keep some handy for other devices like laptops or consoles.
I guess you could always get 10g and if it's not enough get another 10g
wary gale
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2tDDYN good 1000$ dollar build
potent portal
That cooler is WAY overkill for that CPU
Other than that pretty decent
Personally I'd wait for the next gen AMD launch at the end of this month, we should see current CPUs dip a bit in price
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2tDDYN good 1000$ dollar build
Some very minor changes
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HjzBCd
I agree with fal though
7600x was also just $171
8600g is $144 on tiktok shop lol
cyan ravine
You could do a fair bit better I think
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2tDDYN good 1000$ dollar build
Genuinely better:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G69fwg
If you want the AM5 equivalent you'd either have to do tiktok 8600g, aliexpress 7500f or pay $30 more
Similar tier cpu, better psu, far better gpu
Actually I take it back, @wary gale this is like barely acceptable
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CFvg9c
It's good enough, but like, barely lol
Still a big jump in performance
potent portal
May be worth getting a large pad of ptm
Did a little digging and I might end up getting a sheet of PTM7950 for my core with UTP-8 putty
cyan ravine
Like, board is good, but cheapest I'd suggest, ram is a bit nicer than sp value, psu still better, case is good but not great
Gpu way better
Ssd good
It's a bit constrained for thermals tho so it's not perfect
Montech air 100 would fix it but then you have an itx in an matx
And I imagine that's not attractive
Or you could just spend the 20-30 more
cyan ravine
Did a little digging and I might end up getting a sheet of PTM7950 for my core w...
Would make sense yeah
cyan ravine
Is it expensive tho
?
Cos I will take it onboard if it's not expensive compared to k5
cyan ravine
Wtf cheap as hell
potent portal
$13 10g, $25 20g
A bit more than K5 but that difference in performance is significant
Plus super low delta on the core and hotspot so you know it got great contact
potent portal
That chart is with a 3070 ti mining etchash btw, similar load to eth mining
K5 pro throttled 💀
So did U6
cyan ravine
Yep I've tried it on K5 pro so I believe that
Well when I next need putty I'll remember that one
Really close to timezone naming tho could they make it easier pls
UTC -8
potent portal
That'll just make it easier for me to remember since that's my time zone
cyan ravine
LOL
runic spruce
UTP-8 seems to outperform even the gelid extreme pads
Even the gelid ultimate pads?, nvm
runic spruce
Do I have to cut it?
Yes with an exacto knife for clean cuts
But I think putty would be better
Bc no one has ever torn down that card online before
Surprisingly
little osprey
anyone know anything about customizing a gpu? I wanted to try and make mine white, but Im not too familiar with a GPU and im afraid of breaking it
on top of that, cant find any decent priced ones that dont look like 2000s cheap garbage and arent over 400 dollars lol
plucky timber
The shroud should be a separate part of the card
You could take off the shroud and paint it
I wouldn't paint the backplate tho
Since it's a part of the cooling
runic spruce
U could buy a white backplate
little osprey
U could buy a white backplate
where could i get one?
runic spruce
Amazon
little osprey
oh wow
runic spruce
A little pricey tho
runic spruce
Depends on the card but it would be minimal
Unless air has to pass through the backplate
Btw I think all of their backplates come in one size
So u you’d want to check the dimensions
little osprey
im still debating on matching my ryzen 5 5600 with a rx 7600 or just getting a RTX 3060 12GB
runic spruce
7600 is a bit faster than the 3060
U could get a better gpu if u decide not buy a backplate
Which I suggest
little osprey
Which I suggest
i do wanna try and focus on aesthetic for the future so i stop whining about it
since i dont really plan on doing much other than vr and minecraft
probably forza or squad
runic spruce
Focus on performance man
Better resale value
Plus you’re not staring at the pc while using it
runic spruce
What’s your budget
plucky timber
Or saving up a bit more
That's especially a good option when new gpus come out
Then the prices of older cards would drop
little osprey
getting a used gpu is way too risky for me
runic spruce
anything under 300
4060, but used would better value
little osprey
id really rather just play it safe and buy it new
i know how to build a computer but even i dont have knowledge picking out parts
and i cant tell what is a scam and what isnt
plucky timber
$300 isn't really a good value bracket atm
For brand new gpus
Not since covid anyways
I remember when RX 570s were quite popular back in 2018
Good days
little osprey
you sure? i saw a lot of them that other people here recommended to me
all were mostly new
runic spruce
What’s your total build budget?
plucky timber
It's also the timing as well
little osprey
What’s your total build budget?
i dont really have one
nothing cheap asf but nothing crazy expensive
plucky timber
It might be getting close to new gpu releases
little osprey
wouldnt new gpus be crazy expensive though?
plucky timber
They should be near msrp
little osprey
msrp?
plucky timber
And that also means that the older cards get reduced in price
plucky timber
I'd wait a bit at least
And if you're willing to risk it you might be able to snag a used 3070 or 4060 for a fairly reasonable price
little osprey
yea im just not too knowledged on gpus, buying used or doing risks isnt for me
plucky timber
It's that awkward time where if you buy a new gpu now and nvidia or amd releases a new card you'll end up say a 3060 for $300 and then the value of a 4060 depreciate pretty much the same price you bought the 3060 for
So yeah I'd wait around a bit
Who knows maybe you'll end up with enough money for a 5060
Then you'll be set for the next couple years
little osprey
how long would you say i wait?
little osprey
Who knows maybe you'll end up with enough money for a 5060
perhaps i could pre order
plucky timber
That is a very terrible idea
If it comes out and the performance is sub-par your money is gone
plucky timber
how long would you say i wait?
Probably a couple months
What's your current setup?
little osprey
What's your current setup?
i built it like 4-5 years ago
its a gtx 1060 with a core i3 9100f, 2x8gb ballistix ram, tforce 1 tb ssd
plucky timber
hmmm
plucky timber
Could do with a cpu upgrade as well
plucky timber
i plan on just giving it to my brother
Yeah that's probably a better idea
Kinda hard to upgrade on a dead platform
Not the best value for your money
little osprey
my brother has been wanting to play on something for a while so
plucky timber
hmm
little osprey
ill figure out how i can get it to reach windows 11 requirements soon enough
plucky timber
You can bypass TPM with rufus
little osprey
no idea what any of that is or what its for
plucky timber
Rufus is a tool that lets you flash a windows iso on to a usb drive
It also have a handy option to bypass TPM (Windows 11's arbitrary hardware limitation)
little osprey
ill have to focus on that another time
plucky timber
But yeah even if you upgrade the gpu you'll be limited by the i3
the 9100f is still fairly capable but it's beginning to show its age
Especially when paired with a newer card
But if you are looking for a new build what would your budget be?
A whole pc budget could potentially be more flexible than a single gpu upgrade budget
little osprey
A whole pc budget could potentially be more flexible than a single gpu upgrade b...
im gonna be honest, by the time im out of the house, my brother will probably be able to get a job and i can just help him get something then lol
i just thought about giving him this pc once i get my new one since he just wants to play roblox
little osprey
no the new one is for me, the one i have now is for him
little osprey
And does he just play roblox
yea pretty much, hes brainrotted
plucky timber
For his pc if you want to upgrade it
Probably a cpu upgrade because
Roblox is terribly optimised
Eats ram and cpu
little osprey
yea i can tell lol
plucky timber
Actually
Ehhhhhh
I wouldn't upgrade it tbh
Probably just leave it as is
Can't really upgrade the cpu without upgrading the motherboard as well
So yeah for your pc I'd wait a couple months
To December at least
little osprey
ill try to remember
plucky timber
Maybe get a slightly larger budget
But if you want a gpu now
I'd look at the 3060ti
little osprey
i mean, with my new job i do realize that i am making a lot more money
so yeah i probably could
little osprey
I'd look at the 3060ti
how much higher is the budget?
plucky timber
The 3060ti is quite a bit better than the 4060
little osprey
The 3060ti is quite a bit better than the 4060
ive never understood why
wouldnt they have had to upgrade somehow?
plucky timber
Yeah
To a 4070 or a 4080
It's stupid
The 4060 was pretty mediocre at launch
Still is tbh
Especially compared to used cards
little osprey
just.. cooler?
plucky timber
Then the value gets destroyed
plucky timber
It's pretty much covid's fault
The lower mid range price bracket for brand new cards had been destroyed
plucky timber
how much more is the 3060ti?
Problem is getting them new
I really wouldn't get a last generation card for the retail price
little osprey
plucky timber
You could ask them to test the card before you exchange money for it
little osprey
You could ask them to test the card before you exchange money for it
thats fair
little osprey
yea last time i asked i got ghosted lol
plucky timber
I either go to shops that sell used hardware or go to online marketplaces
plucky timber
yea last time i asked i got ghosted lol
Bad seller then
But yeah that's kinda the annoying part with marketplace
Sometimes you get a good seller or you get a really sketchy one
I'd keep looking tho it really is a lot better to go used at that price range
You can even look at a 2080 super or a 3070
There are a lot of options for used cards
little osprey
There are a lot of options for used cards
i'll just try and have 400 saved up, look for something used afterwards
plucky timber
Might be enough for a 4060ti 8gb
little osprey
Might be enough for a 4060ti 8gb
nobody in my area sells anything above a 3090 lol
either that or its a chinese bot lol
oh why dont you look at that
plucky timber
but the 4060ti 8gb is still pretty mediocre compared to a 3060ti
little osprey
but the 4060ti 8gb is still pretty mediocre compared to a 3060ti
still a cool flex to people who dont know anything about computers lol
plucky timber
Performance different is ehhhh
I'd take the 3060ti if it'd quite a bit cheaper
How much is a 6700XT btw
plucky timber
New?
plucky timber
OK YEAH
Even new it is leagues better in value
More vram too
So you have quite a decent headroom
little osprey
interesting
little osprey
the thing is with nvidia is that a lot of games can become buggy because most just kinda prefer nvidia, ive been told it runs super buggy with AMD
plucky timber
If you're purely using the Radeon for gaming then it'll be more than adequate
plucky timber
the thing is with nvidia is that a lot of games can become buggy because most ju...
Radeon's drivers have gotten a lot better since the 5000 series
It's not like it was back pre 2020
little osprey
fair enough
plucky timber
It could still be buggy but a lot better than it was a couple years ago
They're also catching up to nvidia too
little osprey
ooh
plucky timber
So if it's just for gaming you won't really have any big issues
Radeons are great value for gamers
Tho there are games optimised for nvidia cards
Same with radeons
But generally the 6700XT is better value wise
Matches the 4060ti in quite a few cases
A bit weaker in some games
Or outperforms it in others
Really depends on the game
plucky timber
I used to play VR on a 5700XT
Well it would depend on the headset too
I had a quest 2
plucky timber
So having a 1440p card (at the time) was perfect for the quest 2's resolution
little osprey
ive thought about getting a different one because of its condition, being held together by ducktape rn lmao
but idk too much about allat
plucky timber
Drivers were a bit messy in 2020 but it got a lot better after that
plucky timber
ive thought about getting a different one because of its condition, being held t...
Ahahah I left batteries in my controller over months
Had to use lemon juice to get it working
little osprey
video editing probably
little osprey
mostly in adobe
plucky timber
I'd render the final output with a cpu encoder tbh
Amd's encoder had gotten a lot better
But the cpu encoder is way better (than even nvidia's tbf)
Tho the radeon encoder is perfectly fine
Kinda unfair of me to compare it to the cpu encoder
I have had mixed experiences on the 5700XT with their encoder
But I've heard people with newer radeon cards report that their hardware encoders are quite capable
But yeah the 6700XT should be fine for both use cases
little osprey
alright
my bad
all thats left is probably to just make sure the case and rgb doesnt look like crap
forgot i cant swear here
im thinking the NZXT H6 Flow
plucky timber
Ehhhh
I don't know about the H6 flow specifically but NZXT has a mixed reputation with airflow
brb gonna check the reviews
little osprey
ive been looking for something aesthetically pleasing
ive heard a lot of good things about it
on pcpartpicker theres literally only good 4-5 star reviews
but theres only like 15 ratings
oh, yea would i ever need to get something else to support the weight of my gpu?
plucky timber
Depends on the gpu itself
plucky timber
6700XT might be light enough
mossy venture
Really depends on model. My 3060 ti is among the biggest and is fine without one
plucky timber
Really depends on model. My 3060 ti is among the biggest and is fine without one
oh hey
What's your opinion on the NZXT H6 Flow?
little osprey
i thought about not getting it cuz it might not fit on my desk kek
thought about the NZXT H7 Flow instead
mossy venture
Overpriced and mediocre
Checkout the antec c5 I think it is
Otherwise king 95, sky two, montech xr, or xt view are all cases I'd take over the h6
mossy venture
The h6 is like 3x the cost of the montech xr, comes with the same amount of fans, and much worse quality fans
plucky timber
no worries
analog hearth
I need server help real quick. Basic question. I forgot which one people say to stay away from; is it Unraid or TrueNAS?
Literally all the help I need lol
This will be used for a work environment that will be used for web hosting and storage hosting if that helps. If neither of these, then what should I use?
manic cloak
I need server help real quick. Basic question. I forgot which one people say to ...
Flip a coin because I don't know 😭
analog hearth
bruh
analog hearth
Flip a coin because I don't know 😭
If you don't know then don't answer
analog hearth
I mean I can Google it
(You clearly don't know who I am lol)
I'm the guy who says:
Yeah I can help. Here's a link https://google.com
Thought some people would know off the top of their head
analog hearth
this mf stressing over a simple answer lmao
bro stressing to give some random guy he doesn't know 💀
manic cloak
like I said flip a coin
analog hearth
it's TrueNAS anyways
Found it faster than somebody giving me an answer
Never asking a question again. I find my answers faster by googling 💀
crimson zinc
Worth the trade of my one S?
manic cloak
Worth the trade of my one S?
How much are used One S’s going in your area
Cause that really depends
crimson zinc
How much are used One S’s going in your area
$150~
I’m literally just looking for something to get it started.
potent portal
Honestly, that PC is below the minimum requirements for many games
manic cloak
Like are you trying to trade up and up or do you plan on using that old pc as something..
I was going to say
Ddr3 at probably 1200 mhz isn’t going to do much
Along with such an outdated processor
You’d had better performance on a 2016 mac
crimson zinc
Like are you trying to trade up and up or do you plan on using that old pc as so...
Trade to be able to build from it
potent portal
There's not much you can do with it unless you upgrade the motherboard
manic cloak
possible storage and case is all I’m thinking of that can be kept
But otherwise the Ram isn’t special
The CPU isn’t either
potent portal
It will barely run Windows 10 so you'd probably need to install Linux just to use it as a basic work PC
crimson zinc
So
Not worth the trade
manic cloak
Honestly it would be better if you had 150$ in your pocket and used that money to flip other Facebook items.
Then that’s where you start.
potent portal
At the $150 mark you can get an old Xeon workstation
manic cloak
Unless you find a Facebook mom trying to get her son a pc for his birthday
But that’s impossible to find
crimson zinc
Wait @potent portal would it work with something like fallout nv?
potent portal
Vanilla, sure, assuming you install Windows 7
Modern mods can make that game a lot harder to run
You'd be barely in spec for fallout 4 with that, meaning you'd be running at low settings with only performance mods
crimson zinc
Hmmm.
dusky hearth
I need server help real quick. Basic question. I forgot which one people say to ...
neither are particularly bad
truenas is open source, while unraid is paid software
truenas is slightly more complicated to setup (barely) and doesnt really like adding more drives after you created the pool, while unraid doesnt really care
unraid has the benefit of native docker support
so you can just run docker images on it if you want
if you want an even more advanced media server, openmediavault is good
analog hearth
I'd prefer a more professional solution though, so OMV is out
I looked at TrueNAS Scale and it looks most ideal. I'm possibly becoming the CIO of my parents' coming (sooner or later) and I want something that would be easy to scale and add VMs
I'm also thinking for failover or fallback solutions, where TrueNAS has Kubernetes support (iirc, which I think Kubernetes could possibly do what I want for this)
dusky hearth
I looked at TrueNAS Scale and it looks most ideal. I'm possibly becoming the CIO...
in that case, yeah truenas is more ideal
unraid is more geared towards homelabs and such
analog hearth
Or maybe even if Proxmox is a solution
dusky hearth
proxmox isnt a NAS os
you're better off using truenas for the storage, and proxmox or even k8s for your application(s)
analog hearth
making sure lol
plucky timber
Worth the trade of my one S?
That's like slightly better than the one-s on paper
But in reality it'll be worse because drivers, console optimisation and stuff
You might have a better time on linux on such an old machine (with open source radeon drivers) but
GCN in 2024?
Ehhh
You're not playing anything modern that's for sure
crimson zinc
Dude stopped responding to me hours ago
I think he no longer wants to trade for it regardless
plucky timber
yeah it's not really that good of a deal tbh
won't gain much
I mean it'd be a decent trade if it was 2017
but there are probably better deals these days
Maybe like a used 1660S pc
echo vale
When looking to plug in an led connector from a controller to a argb header(my motherboard doesnt have any headers listed as argb.) do I plug it into a led header?
plucky timber
what's your motherboard?
echo vale
gigabyte b650 gaming x ax v2
plucky timber
so the D_LED1 and the D_LED2 headers are the ARGB headers
don't confuse them with the regular rgb ones
it might not end well
echo vale
okay ty
dusky hearth
it might not end well
less of a concern
4 pin is 12v
3 pin is 5v
argb connectors (3 pin) wont be able to be inserted into the 4 pin headers
due to the extra pin
plucky timber
ah
potent portal
just hit Delete?
Press Y
wild crane
I just got a second monitor but my gpu doesn't have to hdmi cords can i plug my second monitor into my motherboard?
weary galleon
I just got a second monitor but my gpu doesn't have to hdmi cords can i plug my ...
Depends on your CPU. Some have integrated graphics, some don't
dusky hearth
I just got a second monitor but my gpu doesn't have to hdmi cords can i plug my ...
Does neither of your displays have a displayport
naive anchor
im new to building and idk if im missing anything or somethings not compatable or i need to upgrade something. dm me and ill send pictures of the stuff im gonna get.
stoic island
Can put it in a pcpartpicker list and it'll be easier for everyone
dusky hearth
@naive anchor ^
mossy venture
im new to building and idk if im missing anything or somethings not compatable o...
Budget, country, what is the pc being used for, do you care about aesthetics, do you need wifi or do you have access to ethernet
naive anchor
Can put it in a pcpartpicker list and it'll be easier for everyone
some things didnt show up
stoic island
You can add custom parts, but what didn't show up?
stoic island
Also, if you can answer bacca, that'll be good
stoic island
kinda rare for pcpartpicker to not have some pc related part
I just remember they didn't have segotep psus for a while
naive anchor
You can add custom parts, but what didn't show up?
sorry, im at disney rn
stoic island
Take your time
naive anchor
You can add custom parts, but what didn't show up?
im free rn
for a lil
so ask away
naive anchor
yeah
stoic island
Sounds overkill
Sounds like you should just get a good 850w PSU and spend the rest of the money on a 4080 or maybe 7900xtx
stoic island
But it'll be clearer if you can put it in a pcpartpicker list so we can see the prices you're seeing and what exactly you have chosen
stoic island
I'll put what I can see from it into a pcpp list
mossy venture
is 1600w good for a RTX 4070?
a 4070 is fine on a good 550, let alone an 850 like mr111 suggested
stoic island
850 rec is mainly for 4080+ or 7900xtx
750 would be good for 4070 base or ti
They sent an image but my discord app doesn't want to load or download the image so I can't see what is in their list
mossy venture
fun
stoic island
Actually I can't see the image but maybe I can try to embed it with a link here?
Well, I still can't see it
mossy venture
it's a 4500+6600 pre built
stoic island
Alright, $2000-2500 new gaming and editing build for @naive anchor , I'm thinking 7800x3d (or 7900x3d for more editing focus) with 7900xtx or 7800x3d with 4080 super
@naive anchor Do you live near a microcenter?
naive anchor
<@1207890231471116343> Do you live near a microcenter?
no clue
stoic island
no clue
Don't want to doxx you, can you check if there is a microcenter within say 1 hr on Google maps? Microcenter has a lot of nice bundle deals that saves you money over Amazon/Newegg
naive anchor
Don't want to doxx you, can you check if there is a microcenter within say 1 hr ...
dms rq
stoic island
Gonna say we can work with microcenter bundles then
naive anchor
Gonna say we can work with microcenter bundles then
sent
stoic island
Here's an example list with a bundle microcenter had previously (Link listed under the custom part on pcpp), mobile data is slow so I can't check if they still have this bundle, if not, we can find another bundle
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cCWG9c
7900xtx will perform better in most games for raster, 4080 super is in the list just for the name recognition for this example
Case is largely personal preference beyond cooling performance, case in the list is just cheap and usable, can choose a different case if you want a different look
mossy venture
Here's my take on it
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dcnTQP
stoic island
The PSU should prob be swapped, both good PSUs, one is cheaper. SSD can go both ways, I like better SSD in general for faster burst, sustained, and better lifespan, but it won't make much of a difference in practice for games. I haven't kept up with cases, can prob swap. I went with the Asus GPU because they're usually decent with fan curves and I've been really annoyed with the gigabyte fan curve on my 3060ti recently lol
manic cloak
@stoic island @mossy venture not to correct or anything but both lists have the wrong deal - the current 7800x3d bundle comes with an asus tuf b650. The “bundle yourself” deal I call it is still available, you’re able to put the 7800x3d + any kit of ram + any motherboard and it should be discounted to just about under 500$
7800x3d + tgroup expert 6000 cl30 + that motherboard on the list at 492$ before tax and the 25$ off any cpu coupon.
stoic island
Fair enough, that list was made about a month ago
tawny violet
Wow that's a really good deal
tawny violet
<@278694081440251905> <@654444344274845698> not to correct or anything but both ...
Is the B650E PG Riptide Wifi on the list?
Now I'm curious
manic cloak
And the price can go lower if you switch to a “cheaper” listed motherboard like the Pro RS
manic cloak
Is the B650E PG Riptide Wifi on the list?
Let me check
mossy venture
<@278694081440251905> <@654444344274845698> not to correct or anything but both ...
Ah mb
tawny violet
That's like one of the mobos that kinda just work
mossy venture
The riptide is amazing
tawny violet
Without any BS
mossy venture
It's high end and under $200
manic cloak
Is the B650E PG Riptide Wifi on the list?
501$ before tax and 25$ off
So it’s possible
mossy venture
B650 eagle ax is "low end" and is still better than some $200 z490s and b450s from back in the day
tawny violet
That's amazing
manic cloak
The pro RS no wifi can be bundled with it
naive anchor
whats happening here
manic cloak
For 480
mossy venture
whats happening here
Discussion about microcenter bundle
manic cloak
whats happening here
Nothing bad, just discussions
tawny violet
I can highly recommend the Riptide Wifi
naive anchor
Nothing bad, just discussions
aight
mossy venture
The riptide is high end for mobos, and is cheap. Performance wise you won't see a difference between it and many $130-160 boards
tawny violet
The riptide is high end for mobos, and is cheap. Performance wise you won't see ...
The thing with it is that it's stable, works well with any Ryzen 7000 and it's got ample ports and whatnot
mossy venture
Then again, you won't see a difference between those boards and a $600 board, like the b650m pro rs, b650m hdv, eagle ax, -p wifi, b650m d3hp on a budget
tawny violet
I might be biased but it's got everything you can need for under 200
mossy venture
The thing with it is that it's stable, works well with any Ryzen 7000 and it's g...
Could say the same for about 60 other motherboards off the top of my head lol
stoic island
Is ds3h decent this generation?
tawny violet
I guess I'm just biased then
stoic island
Wack
manic cloak
Only issue is - the riptide doesn’t get AS discounted as much as the AX2 example if you do the bundle yourself deal
But still
mossy venture
D3hp has ok vrms, enough for 7950x unlimited
manic cloak
Amazing price
stoic island
It's nice that everything is overbuilt vrm wise now
mossy venture
So it's overpriced atm
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7pytt6/gigabyte-b650m-ds3h-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-ds3h
Definitely better than the d3hp though
Behind b650m pro rs and hdv though
stoic island
160 for ds3h lmao
mossy venture
I miss this being $115
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dq4Zxr/asrock-b650m-hdvm2-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-hdvm2
mossy venture
160 for ds3h lmao
What you said about vrms being overbuilt
This was $110 up until recently for a very long time
Cheapest board that can run a 7950x unlimited
Now d3hp replaced it at $120, and a620i ax is also decent at $120
tawny violet
Behind b650m pro rs and hdv though
Okay I know why I'm biased to the PG Riptide Wifi
It's because it's the same price here as the Pro RS Wifi
Different market be like
Like
The price diff between the absolute cheapest and a Riptide Wifi is 15%
And that absolute cheapest is my crappy board that I hate so
Pro RS is within 5% price difference to the Riptide
Sometimes the Pro RS costs MORE than the Riptide
It's wack
stoic island
@mossy venture do you know if there's a lga1700/am5 vrm list like there was before? Prob don't need to look at them now that everything works, but I'm kind of curious what's on everything now
mossy venture
<@654444344274845698> do you know if there's a lga1700/am5 vrm list like there w...
I'm not sure, felix or fal might know one
I could make a quick and dirty one if you'd like
It wouldn't be 100% accurate, just a general idea
stoic island
It's alright, I'll look around tonight
manic cloak
Okay
So looking at microcenter deals
The thing I have no clue if the bundle it yourself can even be discounted through price matches or not
Cause prime day is this week and a lot of teamgroup stuff is on sale rn, so instead of 97.99 on microcenter it would be price matched to 85.99
No clue if that’d affect the discount
Anyways @tawny violet does your b650E have a display port
Because looking at the riptide on pcpp it doesn’t
tawny violet
I mean
Why would you need displayport on your mobo
You're gonna use a GPU with DP
You're gonna use a GPU right?
@manic cloak
manic cloak
<@364936187623768076>
I mean surely the person with getting the list above would right
With a 4080 super
Wait
I’m stupid 💀
tawny violet
I'd honestly only use mobo display out for like a Sensorpanel display
Like the Jonsbo DS8
manic cloak
@stoic island @mossy venture no clue if this is more accurate for the microcenter build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bHWZN6
stoic island
I would prefer an e18 tier drive with tlc but that's preference
May matter for editing higher resolution video for higher sustained, tlc generally has a bit more endurance, and it should have a larger pslc cache since there's less cells in general with qlc.
naive anchor
im in the epcot ball rn
manic cloak
May matter for editing higher resolution video for higher sustained, tlc general...
Whatever works honestly, originally had inland on there
crimson zinc
@mossy venture one more request today. I need as much value as possible squeezed into a $700 build. Used part value is probably what I’m gonna do for this dude.
mossy venture
Something like this ig? Prices vary too much with used
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t4RBkJ
naive anchor
Something like this ig? Prices vary too much with used
https://pcpartpicker.com...
yo
naive anchor
Something like this ig? Prices vary too much with used
https://pcpartpicker.com...
is the rx 6600 better than a rtx 4080 super?
or a rtx 4070
mossy venture
is the rx 6600 better than a rtx 4080 super?
What
mossy venture
On passmark it's a 20% difference, but that's def not right
naive anchor
uh
question
im new to pc building is there abything i should not do or do differently or a certain guide?
stoic island
Linus has a PC build guide that's more up to date iirc
GN has a very old one, jays 2 cents has one
All on YouTube that is
mossy venture
<:widewegg1:903331256748605440><:widewegg2:903331266865295380><:widewegg3:903331...
If you dont want to spend $900 on a gpu
Grab the 4070 super or 7900 gre
They still slap the 6600 around, and are both good value
dusky hearth
im new to pc building is there abything i should not do or do differently or a c...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1fxZ-VWs2U latest ltt one that mr1111 is referencing
mossy venture
Hey @manic cloak you around?
I can't find that microcenter build your own thingy
And im trying to make a 7600x bundle
manic cloak
Hey <@364936187623768076> you around?
Sorry mb
Was napping
Uhh from what I know it only affects the higher end cards like the 7800x3d
I knew it affected the 7600 one time but I don’t know if it still does
Ya it looks like only the 7800x3d
The 7600x, 7700x and 790-50 didn’t work
mossy venture
Ya it looks like only the 7800x3d
Ohhh damn
That sucks
7600x is $160 at mc rn so I was hoping
manic cloak
7600x is $160 at mc rn so I was hoping
Probably best you can get with that discount
Then you add on the 25$ off any cpu coupon
At that point it’s just really too good
torn mesa
$900 build with motherboard that has wifi ?
crimson zinc
$900 build with motherboard that has wifi ?
Any aesthetic needs?
mossy venture
$900 build with motherboard that has wifi ?
If you're just gaming
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3HJbbL
Cheaper, worse psu/mobo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sWykpB
And cheaper, worse cpu and gpu. Am5 is good for upgradability, as there will be new cpus on the same socket
Lga1700, intels current gen will not
manic cloak
If you're just gaming
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3HJbbL
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4VYgGP my take but over 12$ 😭
If I knew more about mobo's i'd switch it up
Cause if i'm not wrong the PRO RS has a 6200 mhz cap on it
And with the 7500F, it's on par with a 7600 if overclocked and tuned correctly with it's ram
I GOT IT
potent portal
And with the 7500F, it's on par with a 7600 if overclocked and tuned correctly w...
The 7500F is exactly the same as a 7600, it just doesn't have the iGPU
manic cloak
The 7500F is exactly the same as a 7600, it just doesn't have the iGPU
I thought it was slower than the 7600 but able to be on par after overclock?
Unless I’m thinking it’s on par with it’s overclock
potent portal
Maybe you're thinking the 7600X, which has a higher boost clock out of the box
manic cloak
Maybe
restive crane
I just installed a Teamforce 2TB z540 m.2 which has a significant read/write time difference from my main Windows m.2. Should I reinstall or move everything over to the faster m.2? I think the answer is yes but want to make sure. My build is a Gigabyte x670e Aurous Pro X , AMD 7950x3d, Zotac 4080 Super, 64GB Corsair Vengence DDR5 6400 mhz
mossy venture
It will not make much of a difference
If its sata maybe
Or a low end nvme like the sn350
potent portal
If you move windows to the faster drive you might boot a few seconds faster but besides that there's no benefits to moving things
little osprey
Guys, I have a serious question. I'm about to unplug something for the first time on my PC and it's my GPU's PCIE cable, and ima plug it back in. My GPU has been having issues so before I do so, what are some precautions I need to take before unplugging
I already flicked the power switch and unplugged the entire PC
manic cloak
I already flicked the power switch and unplugged the entire PC
Make sure not to yank it out with full force although it is tough to get it out
PCIe cables have little clips on the top of it, try wiggling it out
manic cloak
Guys, I have a serious question. I'm about to unplug something for the first tim...
Also what issues exactly? I could try and help if you'd like
little osprey
manic cloak
Oh my
little osprey
Every time I'm in a middle of a game, my screen turns black and my PC sounds like a jet engine
little osprey
no
little osprey
Best Buy did and they said it was completely fine
little osprey
I took it in and for this exact issue and they said they couldn't find anything nor replicate the issue themselves
manic cloak
Okay let's go to the basics cause I assume your pc is a pre built?
little osprey
Sorta
manic cloak
Do you know the model/name for it
and what PC parts it has
like CPU model and GPU model is what i'm mainly looking for.
little osprey
It's a Cyber power PC. I chose the parts however. It's an R7 5800x3D, 4070, 32GB Ram
and it's been upgraded
little osprey
the cpu is upgraded
manic cloak
Only the CPU gotcha
alright
Plug everything back in and power it on
Lmk if anything happens
little osprey
okay
manic cloak
If not you'll need to download a stress test and do it yourself
It's not hard on the PC
but with your case it'll likely help
manic cloak
if it shuts off that's fine, it's your systems safety mechanism doing it's work.
little osprey
I already did a DDU on it before
little osprey
yes
little osprey
Alright
manic cloak
Let me know when it's download and opened, don't start anything though
manic cloak
Alright
you're going need to record what happens
try to get the screen in the video but also the PC, don't move the camera too much
cause from what I heard in that video it just sounded like your case fans going jet engine
little osprey
can i go ahead and launch it
manic cloak
Yup if you're able to record.
little osprey
my recording file is too large
little osprey
no
manic cloak
Does it by itself
little osprey
Siege
It used to happen on VRChat, but ever since I took it to best buy, i can't really recall it happening in that game anymore
but I will say, that sometimes, like what happened earlier before the recording, it crashed while it was starting up
happens before as well
sacred obsidian
has it been happening since you got the PC or is it a recent development?
little osprey
After like....9 months of having the PC. I took it to best buy a few months ago for this exact issue, and ever since then it stopped temporarily and it's happening again after 1 year of having the PC
sacred obsidian
why did I go to that website in your user. Holy heck
manic cloak
Weird
I thought it would have been something with your GPU not able to handle stress.
Your stress test looks fine though
little osprey
💀
sacred obsidian
what is your psu
little osprey
that's what they told me too
little osprey
what is your psu
lemme find it
manic cloak
I got a feeling it might be with his CPU
little osprey
800 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Gold Certified Power Supply
manic cloak
If you want since you got steam - download timespy and its beta.
manic cloak
800 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Gold Certified Power Supply
Well that’s good but we would need to nknow model & brand, but since cyber power doesn’t like to tell us that, it sucks.
little osprey
hmmmmm
manic cloak
Unless you popped it open (which you wouldn’t really need to) that’s how we could find out
little osprey
oughta be a way to find it
sacred obsidian
it would be on the side of the psu usually
little osprey
lemme try opening the back of it
sacred obsidian
have you ever attempted to OC or change bios setting?
little osprey
I don't think I OCed....and I did change some bios settings but reverted back
sacred obsidian
you can unplug it, pull the little battery out and wait a few min, maybe press the power button a few times, and then put battery back in, plug in, try playing the game again. Might help
manic cloak
Okay what I suggest is to download that 3Dmark on steam and see if it works. Running timespy. If you touched anything in bios and don’t remember what you touched that’s concerning..
little osprey
I know everything about them, just never touched them
Alright, lemme open the back of my case first and find something out rq
manic cloak
Jesus
little osprey
💀
manic cloak
ATX PR800
little osprey
that one
manic cloak
I’ll have to check
little osprey
ima turn it back on and install those steam softwares