And i think the ram is the issue
#building-and-recc-chat
wild crane
minor garnet
how bad would temps be if i water cooled a rtx 4080 and ryzen 7700x using one 240mm rad
cyan ravine
Depends on the whole setup
A really good one might be able to
A 60mm thick one should be good enough in most
A 30mm one...debateable
cyan ravine
Have to be done really well imo
Good fpi rad, good performance block, really good performance fans
And a ddc/d5
If I could throw an arbitrary suggestion
Barrow d5
Hwlabs Gt 240mm
P12max/t30/superflower megacool
Good block of some kind... Xc7 counts
Heatkiller maybe
minor garnet
minor garnet
Have to be done really well imo
thoughts on this?
cyan ravine
Yeah that works but you really want good fans for something that petite
No unifans or icue nonsense
cyan ravine
P12max/t30/superflower megacool
Proper fans like this
You want really good airflow as you'll be making that small loop quite warm
minor garnet
i got lian li sl120 fans will they work or nah?
cyan ravine
Nope
minor garnet
hmm ok
cyan ravine
If you want rgb, the lowest I feel like I could suggest would be specifically TL-B12-S
Nothing else is coming to mind rn that would have an rgb option
Oh lian li p28 with the rgb extensions...though that's expensive af
minor garnet
so what do i look for to tell whats good and bad?
minor garnet
what makes them good?
minor garnet
ok
cyan ravine
A12x25 and TL-B12-S is like the bare minimum
Oh
One other thing @minor garnet
ZMT is amazing
Worth every penny
As far as performance per euro the p12 max is pretty hard to beat tho in EU
Specifically the fdb variant
nova apex
@cyan ravine ik we alr talked abt it, but my dad sent these two and wanted ur opinions (i still like the one we decided yesterday) https://a.co/d/0jditDZz
HP Pavilion 15.6 Inch FHD Touchscreen Business Laptop, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U, Windows 11 Pro, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Backlit Keyboard, Numeric Keypad, Long Battery Life, 32GB USB Card, PCM https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CC214DRL?psc=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_ct_61QTH83P0JEWWKBEYT6P&language=en_US
nova apex
my dad said its quite a bit older chip
nova apex
which one we takling about
dusky hearth
the laptop cpus that you just sent above
nova apex
okay just mkaing sure
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-slim-5-16-gaming-laptop-wuxga-ryzen-5-7640hs-with-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-8gb-512gb-ssd-storm-grey/6534469.p?skuId=6534469 compared to this, this is better?
dusky hearth
what are you using it for
nova apex
Mechanical Engineering tech, if you scroll up, me and the dr feetlicker had a conversation about this if you need some intel
dusky hearth
ah mech eng
yeah this would be better, not sure if the value is the best possible
but performance would be better
dusky hearth
this has the benefit of having a dgpu as well, compared to the other 2 you linked that dont have a dgpu
nova apex
it could also double as a decent gaming computer time to time
which it would main for school stuff, but little games
lone flame
my fan hub has yet to even ship yet its saying its gonna be here today yeah right
wary gale
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RXjMh3 good aesthetic build?
potent portal
Is this nvme good?
It's DRAMless, doesn't even use HMB. It's fine for burst speeds but anything sustained it drops below SATA speeds. It also doesn't appear to be reliable, based on longer term reviews.
They're a cheap brand for a reason.
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RXjMh3 good aesthetic build?
Grab eagle ax for mobo
Much better vrms
And io, and I believe more m.2 slots
And for case check out the montech sky two and king 95
cyan ravine
<@101107951401455616> ik we alr talked abt it, but my dad sent these two and wan...
Sadly these don't even remotely compare lol
They're ok for like, really light* MechE class stuff
But if you need to do anything complex it's no bueno
Sorry I meant light* @nova apex
runic spruce
It's DRAMless, doesn't even use HMB. It's fine for burst speeds but anything sus...
Do you know if this one has dram?
potent portal
It's also DRAMless but it uses HMB at least
nova apex
But if you need to do anything complex it's no bueno
i’d rather have someone more than good than right at good
cyan ravine
?
nova apex
Who's this someone
something*
cyan ravine
Lol oh
nova apex
apologies 😣
cyan ravine
apologies 😣
Ur fine I'm also halfway here atm lmao
nova apex
Ur fine I'm also halfway here atm lmao
i’m at work soo😭
runic spruce
It's also DRAMless but it uses HMB at least
Would that be ok for games and editing videos?
potent portal
It's great for games, and if you're not doing any serious editing like 30+ minute 4k videos then it'll be good for that too
cyan ravine
Mp33 is ok for most things
potent portal
I use one myself for games
cyan ravine
Ye I have one too
We really oversell the ssd a lot as people just like that
But in reality the basic A60 and MP33 are more than enough for like 95% of people lmao
unborn mesa
does anybody have a pc build list for a budget around 1200-1500 usd?
cyan ravine
Uh
Off the top of my head
7600/12600KF
SE-214XT/Frost Commander white
A620M Pro RS Wifi/B760M PG Sonic Wifi
TG T-Create 6000 CL30 white 2x16GB
2TB VP4300 Lite
Asrock White Phantom Gaming 7900XT
SAMA Argb-Q5
Adata Core Reactor 850W/A850GL/A750GL White
unborn mesa
7600/12600KF
7600 x or non x?
unborn mesa
oh cause 7600 is 190$ and 7600x is 198$
unborn mesa
and i have a 360mm aio for a cooler
cyan ravine
Don't need a cooler then
unborn mesa
yep
cyan ravine
Could do 7800X3D if it fits
unborn mesa
will that case fit a 360mm rad?
cyan ravine
Ah yeah it won't
unborn mesa
4000d will its 90
cyan ravine
Lemme cook a min
unborn mesa
lol
cyan ravine
hmmm
unborn mesa
also cannot find that ram
unborn mesa
what site
unborn mesa
oop now i found it
unborn mesa
i went the amd route
cyan ravine
Do you care about rgb
unborn mesa
nop
unborn mesa
hay 1350 not bad
crimson zinc
Felix cooks
unborn mesa
FrEND
unfortunately the person i was when i built my main pc was into rgb
gimme a few lemme see if i can find a picture of it currently
unborn mesa
ngl im probably gonna use my 5800x3d + 6900xt pc for a racing sim
cyan ravine
Mmmmyes Iamthecook
Actually it doesn't need the extra fans if you have the aio
It's just under 1500
unborn mesa
exactly 24 cents under
cyan ravine
Board is way too good not to get tbh
unborn mesa
itll end up being over 1500
unborn mesa
gaming
unborn mesa
nope but ill try anything once
unborn mesa
oh ive done that
unborn mesa
didnt think that was considered overclocking ig
cyan ravine
didnt think that was considered overclocking ig
It kinda is kinda isn't
It's really just manual XMP
The kit should do any XMP
Just put in some 6000 CL30 profile or 6400 CL32 profile
Whichever works
6000 is more likely as is 6200
6200 CL32
unborn mesa
hmm
cyan ravine
6400 is hit or miss on 8 or 6 core
at synced
So the other two will be better if it doesn't work
unborn mesa
ill try and remember that if i end up building this list
cyan ravine
About as minmax'd as you could really go here tbh
If not just buy the XMP kit
6000 CL30 silicon power ez
unborn mesa
ah\
nova apex
https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-tuf-gaming-a16-16-165hz-gaming-laptop-fhd-a...
you couldn’t tell me this sooner 
i almost bought buy on the other one
cyan ravine
Kinda sorta actually yeah is better
And no I didn't fluff that
It varies
It's better with 2 more cores
Better with 7700S
But also not always better
Sometimes worse
But nicer price so it's good
cyan ravine
💀
nova apex
so basically the only reason it’s goodwr is bcs its cheaper
cyan ravine
That's like 80% the reason yeah lmao
nova apex
which one should i go with disregard price
cyan ravine
The other 20% is more cores and slightly faster
The A16 is kinda great tbh
But if you don't like open box, the 4060 slim was pretty good
cyan ravine
How can I hate a laptop that's given me no real issues
nova apex
But if you don't like open box, the 4060 slim was pretty good
idk what that is but i can assume since it says used that the prev owner opened the box
cyan ravine
Ye
Microcenter may have an option or two
If you live near one
Best buy is just the universal answer
cyan ravine
Ah then best buy tbh
Best buy stonk
Amazon hasn't been great for a while iirc
I could look rq
Mmmm
potent portal
Amazon occasionally has good deals but they're mostly scammers and no name brands from sellers with near zero rep these days. The selling fees were too much for a lot of sellers to stomach.
cyan ravine
wtf I didn't copy the cookies
nova apex
929 my ass
nova apex
949 even more my ass
potent portal
Oh this is new
We all know how great amazon is at detecting fake reviews right? This is from Mozilla.
nova apex
just yk 949 dollars
cyan ravine
You could do the others and stick a 16gb stick in
But this one is pretty solid with no extra steps
Mmmm the reviews tho
Not good
nova apex
my dad and i already agreed on https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-slim-5-16-gaming-laptop-wuxga-ryzen-5-7640hs-with-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-8gb-512gb-ssd-storm-grey/6534469.p?skuId=6534469
cyan ravine
Seller looks sus
nova apex
he gonna trip out on the things i’m sayin
cyan ravine
my dad and i already agreed on https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-slim-5...
I mean this one is good man
nova apex
cuz i’m telling him what ur telling me
nova apex
16 total or 16 added
cyan ravine
32 total
It helps a lot
As I said before, you'd try and get another 16gb in if it has the option
potent portal
Considering it runs at jedec typically yeah
cyan ravine
It's JEDEC so it's fine
potent portal
I tried mixing B die and C die and I couldn't get it to POST 😭
obsidian wigeon
tfw my country has no ddr5 sodimm kits
nova apex
okay (idk how tf ram installs work in a laptop only in a rREAL computer)
obsidian wigeon
only sold in sticks
obsidian wigeon
it's easy
potent portal
A few screws and a pry tool are usually all you need
obsidian wigeon
i snapped off a few clips taking my tuf apart
nova apex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0j_0ivUPmU&ab_channel=LaptopMedia
5 stars for the text to speech cool voice
obsidian wigeon
annoying stuff
cyan ravine
Just make sure you check everything works on the laptop before you crack it open
That way you're not violating the warranty before you know it works
Some laptops allow changing the ram, not all
So take that onboard here lol
potent portal
(even though legally they can't void your warranty without proving that just opening it caused the warranty covered problem)
Some companies still try to get away with stuff
cyan ravine
(even though legally they can't void your warranty without proving that just ope...
righttorepairrighttorepair
obsidian wigeon
somehow asus service here is amazing
nova apex
i think i’m still gonna wait on ram, bcs reallt i don’t know how heavy the meche programs will be, they just said get gud computer and gave me some specs and no max
obsidian wigeon
but i never got to rma my lappy
living with slightly bad fans lmao
i'll fix it when i eventually can
or when it gets so bad
potent portal
"warranty void if removed" stickers are illegal but it's not enforced, ever
cyan ravine
i think i’m still gonna wait on ram, bcs reallt i don’t know how heavy the meche...
Most engineers don't know what's in a computer, only what's the usual good
Got an i7? great
Got a quadro? great
4090? hell yes
Threadripper? Now we talkin
A lot of programs you'll use in MechE are able to run on simple pc's, it just depends on the degree of work difficulty
Like complex systems with lots of parts, shapes or simulations, suddenly you really want something high end
The requirements for those programs haven't changed in years
They still kinda make sense, also they very much don't
Like some I7's are like a decade old now and run worse than an i3
A good Ryzen will run rings around old intel
Hell, new intel at that
Like an old threadripper 1950X, great. It's a really powerful chip, but also
It's slower than a 12600K
And that's an i5
Reminds me when I went into it, i7, 32gb ram, 8gb gpu
My cpu got absolutely slapped
nova apex
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8TZ8YN
my current pc
here’s the list the school sent
I’m going to college for engineering. I need a laptop. here’s some things that the faculty says is recommended.
-windows 11
-64 bit
-8 gb ram works but if i can get 16 that would be better
-4 gb video ram
-512 gb hard drive.
cyan ravine
And that was end of the 4 core era
I mean that would mostly work if you own all that
nova apex
i’m an overachiever
cyan ravine
It's still going to be somewhat limited tho
nova apex
It's still going to be somewhat limited tho
yeah
cyan ravine
What I worry about is you'll have a class that you need to make something
It takes like, 30 parts or more in an assembly
Or some aerodynamic simulation
And it'll just chug
The ram really helps in sims
Or maybe a fluid simulation in solidworks
nova apex
i will consider the ram, just wanna see my first year or until i know i need it
cyan ravine
And it's made for a pc that has like 16gb vram
Lol
Alr
I mean either way
All these options are good
nova apex
i probably should get it but mannn money ain’t cheap
nova apex
ty for the help tho
cyan ravine
No worries
jagged ember
Purchasing is completely your choice in the end as well
jagged ember
But I trust mr feetlicks
nova apex
i trust the dr feetlicker
jagged ember
He big brain with builds
cyan ravine
Look at it this way, if it's going to struggle on any of these systems
They will give you a system to use
jagged ember
Hm
cyan ravine
So you won't be totally in the dark
nova apex
maybe, some schools don’t
cyan ravine
You'll just need to make time to be on campus when that happens
nova apex
You'll just need to make time to be on campus when that happens
i’m living on campus
cyan ravine
maybe, some schools don’t
Oh I don't mean like hand over, I mean like, use a computer lab 💀
jagged ember
Here have this pc
nova apex
a loaner
cyan ravine
So no biggie either way
Yeah loaners sometimes
Though more likely a loaner is a mac
Lol
jagged ember
For mech engineering? Ew
nova apex
they strictly told me don’t buy a mac
cyan ravine
they strictly told me don’t buy a mac
Good they at least have the basics down
jagged ember
Buh ma m4 chip
nova apex
i’m not gonna be able to ft on my mac 😪😪😪😪😪me so sad
my friend told me that bcs he’s also doing meche
cyan ravine
tfw 1200 usd for a base mba 13
Try 650 then we talk
jagged ember
Just go refurbished
obsidian wigeon
im mocking apple for it
jagged ember
Tuf is way better imo
obsidian wigeon
ya ofc
jagged ember
Man that's tuf (for apple)
cyan ravine
Why would you buy M1+10%
obsidian wigeon
lmao
obsidian wigeon
If it had 1tb of storage with 16gb of ram
cyan ravine
30% faster than 3090 at this thing
jagged ember
I'd actually think about one if it did come with 1tb and 16gb ram if it didn't cost so much
obsidian wigeon
ye
jagged ember
But nah framework for me bro
Once my current laptop sputters out I'm grabbing a framework
obsidian wigeon
get da 16
jagged ember
Exactly my thoughts
6 total ports
Numpad on the left
Removable GPU/battery module
potent portal
The issue I have with the modern mac is you can't upgrade anything in it. Not RAM, it's all on one soldered package, not storage, it's a proprietary drive similar to NVMe but not.
Nothing.
jagged ember
That's definitely the thing hitting the nail in the coffin for me too
obsidian wigeon
same
jagged ember
Meanwhile apple trying to greenwash their products
cyan ravine
Me is it can't understand anything more powerful than a video
jagged ember
cyan ravine
Gaming is alien
potent portal
lol "built for longevity" brainwashing campaign
jagged ember
It really is
I've still yet to sit down and watch the whole thing
But yeah mkbhd's reviews feel so surface level all the time, even the car ones
potent portal
I watched it on grayjay
jagged ember
Like I feel like I haven't learned that much about it after the video
At least ltt's car videos I feel like gives more insight
obsidian wigeon
mkbhd "promised" to be transparent
then here he is
shilling apple
he deserves this
jagged ember
For the money bruh
obsidian wigeon
also
do not buy LG tv's
or buy it but don't connect it to internet so soon
they have "do not sell my data" disabled by default
potent portal
The issue he has with the LG TV applies to all Google TV OS based sets
obsidian wigeon
oh great
potent portal
But yeah it kinda stings when you spend $3k on a TV and they still want to make more money off you
obsidian wigeon
ye
best way to any tv buyers to stop that is like i said
don't immediately hook it up to internet
disable data collection bs
potent portal
My TV wouldn't let me use it until I connected to the Internet and updated it
obsidian wigeon
that's sad
crimson zinc
I have a big Vizio and I still haven’t connected it to the internet
It thinks it’s 2002 rn
lone flame
If I’m switching my cpu cooler do I have to completely clean away existing paste and if so what do I do that with
crimson zinc
I always clean+repaste
potent portal
If I’m switching my cpu cooler do I have to completely clean away existing paste...
That's the best way. Put some isopropyl alcohol on a lint free cloth.
dusky hearth
wipe off as much paste as you can first before that
potent portal
Preferably 90%+
dusky hearth
some people dont even fully clean it off, just wipe it till you can see the laser etching on the ihs then put new paste on
lone flame
That's the best way. Put some isopropyl alcohol on a lint free cloth.
if i dont have isopropyl alcohol?
potent portal
Get some? It's $1
Any other cleaner would either conduct electricity or leave residue
dusky hearth
There is contact cleaners
and those are just ipa in an aerosol can basically
obsidian wigeon
ya
dusky hearth
i bought so much ipa for like 50 bucks
i havent even used 1/8th of the bottle
and that was 2 bottles
lmfao
obsidian wigeon
I wanna buy ipa and q-tip
Just to reapply phone's glue
The glue for back cover has now gone kaput
dusky hearth
if you're in toronto i could give you a cup of ipa 
crimson zinc
Send me half the bottle
lone flame
I have this that said it expired in like 2012 lol would that be fine
Been sitting in bathroom closet
potent portal
Not ideal because the alcohol evaporates faster than the water, so it's probably about half water by now
If you're careful it should be ok. Don't get any on anything but what you're cleaning.
lone flame
Can I just use a clean paper towel when i get to cleaning it
Doing my case swap today
potent portal
Shop towel would be more ideal but it'll work in a pinch. Again, be careful not to leave lint/residue/towel bits.
wary gale
And for case check out the montech sky two and king 95
Sky two doesn’t look good and king 95 is more expensive
wary gale
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xZFVN6 suggestions?
dusky hearth
Where da cpu cooler at
covert vapor
Passive cooling 
cyan ravine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xZFVN6 suggestions?
Motherboard price is a scam, fixed it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g8xz34
wary gale
Motherboard price is a scam, fixed it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g8xz34
Is it actually I recommended it to someone
stoic island
Bottom price is most likely scam
cyan ravine
Is not
Buy it at the risk of bent pins in the socket but that's really the only genuine risk here
You can just return it immediately if it does have that
wary gale
You can just return it immediately if it does have that
I have time that’s fine with me
I probably just buy it early than
cyan ravine
AM5 uses lga like intel now
Also
Am4 is horrible for removing coolers
Lmao
I have more times I've failed to get the cooler off my cpu and ejected the cpu out the socket with it than I've had success removing it
AM4 sockets have a WIDE tolerance
Not even
The socket is loose
Hold the board upside down and the cpu falls out
And yes the socket lever is down
I mean this failed me on both am4 boards I had
The one I still have is terrible
That one is completely loose
It's still gonna be lga tho
I don't see how that relates 💀
That's your call man lol
Me I'll take the lga tbh
As long as you video yourself unboxing the mobo the risk is nill
You can go refurb
Just video the unboxing
Bruh you put that thing in a suitcase 💀
Need to get different pads then if your hotspot is that high
Ain't no way that's normal
Defective cooler or bad mount
weary galleon
Bad vbios pushing too much power/ignoring thermal limits?
weary galleon
Defective cooler or bad mount
Yeah more likely this than vbios
cyan ravine
With all due respect no cooler would run throttle at stock
Pads too thick/dense
Or improper x pattern
Thickness ≠ density
Pads too dense can cause mounting problems
Like minus pad 8's or gc extreme
Actual ass density pads
I still stand by my answer, respectfully, it's a defective cooler or bad mount
Bruh idk that brand
Temps bad have a strong correlation to causation
And people wonder why I use K5 pro because pads often cause terrible mounts
Ok
crimson zinc
Haven’t heard anything bad about the speedster
Pretty decent
stoic island
Seems like it
dusky hearth
Where does this go
me when 🔥
(they're fine, just dont use any sata to pcie power adapters)
open jungle
wahoo
lone flame
Where does this guy go, I’m assuming for case USB
I just don’t know where that is on my board
Nevermind I found it on my manual it’s type C
wild crane
How can i change my rams speed?
sacred obsidian
enable XMP profiles in bios, or get faster ram
wait is this on the pc with the B1 and B2 not working?
wild crane
A-xmp?
wild crane
wait is this on the pc with the B1 and B2 not working?
No
New pc
It only has 1 stick tho
sacred obsidian
Yeah I believe that's it
wild crane
1 stick of 16gb 3200mhx
Im looking at getting another kit same thing 2x16gb with 3200mhz
sacred obsidian
That's only gonna run in single channel which will run slower, but you can enable the xmp profile to boost it up to that 3200
wild crane
Ok thanks and there is no risk with xmp?
sacred obsidian
You can just get a single 16gb stick that is 3200. It's best to match the brand, but if you can't, as long as specs match it should be ok.
Not that I'm aware of.
wild crane
Is there any ram setting in bios that could be slowing my ram down
sacred obsidian
not that I'm aware of. XMP should speed it up to the factory max (3200 in your case). Having only one stick of ram is probably your issue though.
Can you take the ram from the other PC?
sacred obsidian
What is the issue you are having?
wild crane
Do you have any suggestions
wild crane
What is the issue you are having?
Ram leaks
And i turned xmp and im getting the 3200mhz
I just dont have enough
sacred obsidian
what happened to make you think you are dealing with memory leak? mem leak is usually an issue with a specific program, not with the ram itself.
wild crane
what happened to make you think you are dealing with memory leak? mem leak is us...
Irs the game im playing it has the issues and i want more ram anyways
sacred obsidian
ddr4 or ddr5?
sacred obsidian
what is the brand you currently have?
wild crane
Vox
sacred obsidian
I cannot find Vox but if you wanna replace it completely, I know this one is pretty good https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820231941
and it's on sale
woops I sent 2x8
wild crane
Ok thanks
cyan ravine
No that probably isn't
Usually that's a concerning sound
Wait for a while and see if it goes away, if not I'd consider an rma
lone flame
temps have been fine tho
cyan ravine
temps have been fine tho
Clicking implies the impeller is snagging on something or it/the bearing it spins on is out of alignment
It may be fine now but not later
Keep monitoring it, try different rpm
pump failure will always be a common problem
lone flame
where can I change rpm
cyan ravine
Bios
You can also isolate the noise that way
Pump clicking is a common failure for apaltek pumps, you know like the lian li galahad?
It'll click for a few weeks/months then suddenly dead
Sometimes turns into a grinding noise
Very important you diagnose this as you can return it for another. Saves a lot of extra hurdles doing it early and let's the pump be potentially repaired
(I want thermalright to stay as cheap as possible)
(Heart emoji)
lone flame
its brand new 💀
cyan ravine
I know it's new
That doesn't change the problem
If the clicking goes away then good
If not it's a slow moving crash
You could buy any aio and this happens
lone flame
i only hear it if i do a cpu related task'
it spins up/gets louder as something more demanding happens
cyan ravine
Log in
Go to return item
Return it with the comment "pump is clicking"
"very annoying"
You'll get the return label, pack it, take photos, drop it off, get the refund, order another
lone flame
It has thermal paste on it and some of the plastic wrapping is thrown away is that fine
cyan ravine
I would say so if it's 99% there
It's practically a warranty job
Talk to CS about it if you're still unsure
lone flame
Their fans seem to be good, but not a good start for a brand I’ve heard good things about
Unlucky ig
jagged ember
I'd say it's amazons issue tbh
Not the company
Or maybe both?
Amazon doesn't pay the company until a year later
So then maybe it's easier to just send off the same aio someone returned in hopes that they won't notice the same issue
wary gale
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M68fWt good budget build?
formal girder
Id say take a lil browse for a lil better GPU same price
You can find a 2080 or a 6600xt/6650xt around that $200 mark
Found an EVGA 2080 for $200 +$16ish shipping
fossil cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M68fWt good budget build?
Would do this instead -stock cooler is fine for the 3600, may be a bit loud but those 20$ you save from CPU cooler goes into much better gpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dTjmt7
Or find something like a 2080 used like spirit said
cyan ravine
@wary gale @fossil cedar 🗿
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KbGyMV
open jungle
Anyone know why a PC would shut itself down?
stoic island
With what other symptoms ?
open jungle
Turned it back on and I got a bunch of programs saying critical failure, along with my computer being SUPER slow
It was running completely fine last night
fossil cedar
Fair enough
lone flame
<@1015676623430877207> <@191276897227898880> 🗿
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kb...
hello
i slept, went to work and came back, no aio noise, temps are fine
cyan ravine
If the clicking comes back I highly suggest a return/rma
lone flame
If the clicking comes back I highly suggest a return/rma
thats the plan
im wondering if it could of been air idk
ill keep an eye on it for now
fiery sable
Im talking to someone who’s wanting a pc for vr using their quest, indie games, cozy games and sims. They want a small pc so I suggested something like a micro atx, also they want something both pink and white around $600
cyan ravine
All that in 600 is difficult
Really needs a compromise somewhere
The small bit is easy, the vr, white and pink is difficult
fiery sable
Yea, I mean everything doesn’t have to white or pink. I was going to just suggest a pink case and throw in some white fans at most
As I know white gpus are really expensive
cyan ravine
Think the bigger problem is in this bracket colour is basically not optional if you want something functional...lol
e.g this will just about hit the min for her
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DR8fWt
crimson zinc
Can probably get a 1080ti if you look hard enough
At $100
https://www.ebay.com/itm/326136489976 with waterblock
At $150
fiery sable
e.g this will just about hit the min for her
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DR8fW...
Thanks, I’ll send those list over to them
crimson zinc
Titan Xp moment
crimson zinc
I see people selling Quattros in mid tier gaming rigs on eBay
So I believe in the titan dream
open jungle
@cyan ravine would an unstable ram overclock cause a slow computer?
Like insanely slow
@bitter mason are you available sir
lone flame
The noise in question
weary galleon
Just go aiiiirrrrrrr
lone flame
Just go aiiiirrrrrrr
i have been air for the past 6 years
thought id try an aio
like the way they look and how they fill out a case and got a faulty pump
if this replacement doesnt work ill get another tower cooler ig
open jungle
thought id try an aio
Change the fans?
bold stone
potent portal
yes
lone flame
Change the fans?
if its the pump what is changing the fans gonna do
open jungle
how tf have you had that many pumps go bad
lone flame
this is my first aio and ive had it for a day
open jungle
The noise in question
sounds like a fan which is why i said that
lone flame
i thought so at first but its coming from the pump
man i am getting targeted @cyan ravine
potent portal
They're doing the same thing with AIOs as they're doing with air coolers. Make them dirt cheap to manufacture but functionally they're quite decent.
lone flame
not mine apparently 😭
potent portal
Bad luck happens
potent portal
But the more moving parts there are the more likely that something will go wrong
That's why air is so much more reliable, there's only a fan to worry about
lone flame
first aio Ive tried in the 5 years ive had a pc and they send me a bad pump
unlucky ig
dusky hearth
They're doing the same thing with AIOs as they're doing with air coolers. Make t...
this is a trend i like to see
lowering costs without affecting quality
just like schiit
potent portal
Oh don't get me wrong, quality is affected. It's just going to manifest as a slightly higher RMA rate and slight aesthetic issues.
potent portal
Functionally they're good, when you get a good one
dusky hearth
real
potent portal
Their stuff is meant to be used twice and thrown away
late fjord
I have a 360mm thermalright aio. Been working good for almost a year now
Frozen notte
lone flame
I have a 360mm thermalright aio. Been working good for almost a year now
i got their 360mm edge and the pump is making noises it shouldnt lol
i have a replacement coming tuesday so i hope that solves things
i stuck their TL-S12 fans on it to match the rest of my case it looks amazing
cyan ravine
<@101107951401455616> would an unstable ram overclock cause a slow computer?
Absolutely does
open jungle
Absolutely does
i figured it out but im not sure why its doing it
cyan ravine
man i am getting targeted <@101107951401455616>
plucky timber
Oh don't get me wrong, quality is affected. It's just going to manifest as a sli...
Yeah that's why I prefer air coolers in that price bracket
Less things could go wrong
And with how good they are these days
Not much performance loss either
Wouldn't want a pump to die a year in
While there's not much that could go wrong with a tower of copper and aluminium
potent portal
It's sometimes cheaper to get a thermalright cooler and a good, quiet fan than it is to buy a cooler that's better stock, it's crazy how low they price things
plucky timber
Yeah
And they're competitive in performance too
Top end pc with a $30 cooler totally viable
potent portal
I'll take slightly louder with similar performance at a cheaper price any day
plucky timber
I mean
It could be cheaper and quieter tbh
You are eliminating a pump by going air
- fan replacements
potent portal
Cheap, good performance, and quiet. Pick 2.
cyan ravine
Less things could go wrong
I think it's more that the cooler itself targets a higher bracket in general
A lot of people are skeptical about how cheap it is, but realistically in the same time you could potentially have 1 $120 cooler, you can possibly take the chance on 2 $60 ones
So you have room for issues
But less the point of that, long term it doesn't seem to have manifested a problem yet, so with a bit more time these could prove to last as long as a $120 one anyway, but you got the same performance and saved half the price
I'm personally not worried
I feel like thermalright is going for massive value proposition and aggressive dominance before they'll raise the cost to everyone and start making actual money out of it
The air coolers are fabulous though, and frankly answer the needs for a vast majority with far less room for error, you're right about that
plucky timber
Yeah
And this cooler might possibly force other manufacturers to be more competitive as well
So really everyone benefits
cyan ravine
They already have
Scythe, id cooling, deepcool all have started creeping their way down
Thermalright has a really strong advantage to not use outsourced pricing due to their own factory
They're really making the others work for this dominance
potent portal
RIP Deepcool
plucky timber
The power of mass manufacturing
cyan ravine
Pretty much
Make 30 thousand variants so when they get a space in a store, they take up a whole shelf and push others out
It's a huge win for us but their methods are in fact very unfriendly competition for the industry
plucky timber
Noctua really should try competing for once
cyan ravine
An interesting comment came up in GN's vid that I wasn't expecting, was that all other brands are talking heavily about Thermalright
It shows they're really making waves for themselves after a long hiatus
cyan ravine
Noctua really should try competing for once
They have a new cooler coming. It won't be anywhere near as cheap
It will likely be a market leader for a high end price
plucky timber
About time
The D15's pretty outdated at this point
Whatever happened to bequiet
They used to make pretty decent coolers
cyan ravine
Priced themselves out of contention
Drp4 is still good it's just, dumb price
Be quiet make a ton of good stuff honestly they're just not smart with the market and make far bigger margins not to worry about leadership
TR are working to like the Walmart model
Huge mass
plucky timber
Arctic is pretty much the market leader at this point
cyan ravine
Small margin
plucky timber
For AIOs at least
plucky timber
Their products are like 90% of a scythe or a noctua for 2/3 the price
So it's worked out pretty well for them
cyan ravine
Not even 90%, 100% honestly
102%
105%
It's just plain better
But the real question has to be will it last forever
plucky timber
It's amazing how competitive you could be when you got a massive industry backing you up
cyan ravine
Once they get that notoriety
Become that "go to" choice
The household name
Will the prices rise?
Or will they stay?
plucky timber
They might be digging a hole for themselves
cyan ravine
Not at all
plucky timber
Other manufacturers are probably going to try to undercut them now
cyan ravine
They can charge whatever they want if they're in front
If they can do it cheap now, they have the advantage
plucky timber
But then they could end up complacent and end up like noctua
cyan ravine
They'll be able to do it later
Mhm
Time will tell
For now, they're an amazing grab
plucky timber
$34 for what is practically a NH-D15
Can't get that in 2018
Honestly hope the new D15 would be good
Would certainly make the market a lot more interesting
cyan ravine
Deepcool has a vapour chamber variant coming and TR's future revisions also dropped a "a couple degrees"
There's a lot on the way
plucky timber
exciting time for pc cooling
cyan ravine
The vapour chamber one will be extremely interesting for high heat density chips
That's everything the cooler will be made for
plucky timber
It's nice seeing deepcool lean towards the premium market
cyan ravine
As it needs sufficient heat to saturate properly
plucky timber
Rather than just being the value pick
analog hearth
"I'm not rich"
#build-pics message
dusky hearth
you can tell that theo isnt rich because he doesnt have 50 different fittings with hard line watercooling
wary gale
Is water cooling expensive
thorn mural
Im looking to upgrade my i5-9400f in the next month, what CPU should I be looking at
My friend has a z790 carbon wifi board i can use and I have $100-150 to spend on a cpu to pair with a 6750xt
Im looking at the 13400 and the 12600k
vague oracle
Is water cooling expensive
Not really, you can put together a decent loop for $3-400ish
Or be me and spend way too much because why not
dusky hearth
no oring
they really put their single fan gpu in a vertical mount
and spent the money on custom loop instead of a real psu
ketchup and mustard
☠️
thorn mural
24pin just chillin
wary gale
Not really, you can put together a decent loop for $3-400ish
Is it worth it
vague oracle
Not really unless you want the aesthetic
wary gale
Does it have a peformence difference
vague oracle
Better cooling but you won’t gain much performance out of it just through the cooling
formal girder
Windows defender is more than enough if just don't click sus links
crimson zinc
<@101107951401455616> was this worth it
No
nova apex
Windows defender is more than enough if just don't click sus links
that’s what i use on my pc, and planned to on the laptop
my dad uses mcafee 💀
dusky hearth
if you need anything more than windows defender
use like
malwarebytes
or kaspersky
though idk if kaspersky is still as trustworthy as it used to be
wary gale
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zYJvMV w 4k build?
fossil cedar
<@101107951401455616> was this worth it
Windows defender, if you want to use something else, malware bytes
fossil cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zYJvMV w 4k build?
Assuming 4k res not 4000$
wary gale
Yes
fossil cedar
Yes
I'd grab a 2tb drive, solidigm p41 plus would be my choice. Also if you're near a microcenter they have a like 750$ 7900xtx
Apart from that good yeah
wary gale
I'd grab a 2tb drive, solidigm p41 plus would be my choice. Also if you're near ...
Nearest micro center 6 hour drive
thorn mural
Im looking to upgrade my i5-9400f in the next month, what CPU should I be lookin...
Yo
runic spruce
Is water cooling expensive
Not really worth it tho bc of how overbuilt gpu coolers r now
fossil cedar
Im looking at the 13400 and the 12600k
They're basically the same so opt for the cheaper, granted 12600k is overclockable
thorn mural
Would the se214xt cooler be ok for 12600k
crimson zinc
@cyan ravine @mossy venture do you want me to bring back challenges for you
mossy venture
Would the se214xt cooler be ok for 12600k
Nah
On a budget this is the cheapest I'd do
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pCrqqs/gelid-solutions-glacier-70-cfm-cpu-cooler-cc-glacier-01-a
This would be a better choice, or a pa120/ps120/fc140 or similar dual tower from thermalright
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MFvD4D/id-cooling-frozn-a620-pro-se-58-cfm-cpu-cooler-frozn-a620-pro-se
cyan ravine
<@101107951401455616> was this worth it
I mean, free is free
I would suggest not using McAfee though @nova apex
nova apex
I would suggest not using McAfee though <@164720941849378818>
i know, i don’t. my dad does, i used to before i started learning about pcs
cyan ravine
Probably not the worst choice, but definitely not encouraging given there are very strong criminal histories with the software
nova apex
yeah
cyan ravine
I personally use Norton on online secure systems @nova apex
But really yeah, defender is quite good these days
Other anti-virus' source from the same library as defender
If you're just doing normal stuff, it's fine
If you like the extras though, nothing really wrong with it, just comes with a bit of bloat
nova apex
i think i’m gonna stick with defender
cyan ravine
Alr
cyan ravine
<@101107951401455616> <@654444344274845698> do you want me to bring back challen...
I'm good, busy as it is lately lol
jagged ember
i think i’m gonna stick with defender
I'd just do windows defender with free Malwarebytes for protection purposes
manic cloak
I'm quite concerned on the benchmark, don't know if my graphics card suddenly took a crap or that i've went crazy and the 190 FPS from November dipped to 150?
Is there anything I could really do? It seems like a real bad score too
dusky hearth
without even looking at the scores, considering that you were at 190 in november and 150 now, it might just be a combination of dust and/or just the weather being warmer
potent portal
Plus stock paste aging
6 months is about the point where you want to give it a deep clean, maybe a repaste if you still have issues
potent portal
Probably not the worst choice, but definitely not encouraging given there are ve...
The founder died in a spanish prison so... not a good look there
dusky hearth
founder of it was truly someone
potent portal
He was definitely a person that existed
dusky hearth
one of the people of all time
potent portal
Also it's hilarious how when you search for mcafee on google one of the first non-sponsored results is "how to uninstall"
dusky hearth
wasnt he the guy that allegedly killed his neighbours dog because it was being too loud or smth
lmao
potent portal
Uh, a dog was definitely involved but that isn't how the story goes lol
jagged ember
Dog
vague oracle
Probably not the worst choice, but definitely not encouraging given there are ve...
Oh John McAfee
That guy was insane
Really? What did I say that was not allowed, don’t think I cursed
potent portal
idk who or why but I can say he's a controversial topic that shouldn't have too much detail
bitter mason
<@101107951401455616> would an unstable ram overclock cause a slow computer?
is it on Zen 4? I had mine do this thing where clocks were locked at like 480mhz when I was doing memory OC. It was really strange & I can't remember what I did to fix it ngl
open jungle
I figured it out
Or Atleast what it assumption is
Armory crate updated itself the day prior and when it did it turned my aio pump off causing it to overheat and shut itself off as a safety measure
bitter mason
lol oh wow how safe
open jungle
I turned the pump back on because it took the side panel off and the aio hose was super hot. So I turned it back on and set all my fans to full bore and it stabilized
bitter mason
save AIO from... ASUS's awful software/malware by overheating CPU? not sure I understood the logic there lol
open jungle
save AIO from... ASUS's awful software/malware by overheating CPU? not sure I un...
For some reason my pump was off without my knowledge yada yada yada
Computer overheated and shut off, turned everything back on and it’s fine now
I do not however, understand why my P cores are stuck at 5 GHZ and my E cores are stuck at 3.8 GHZ
open jungle
that's strange. It was connected to the board & everything?
Mhm
bitter mason
heck usually the default is 100% not 0%
open jungle
fair
jagged ember
we love armory crate
open jungle
im just confused why they wont down clock at idle
jagged ember
not only does it run a bunch of things that you don't use, it also sometimes just doesn't work kekw
open jungle
not only does it run a bunch of things that you don't use, it also sometimes jus...
i love that it forces me to check for updates everytime i open it
potent portal
i love that it forces me to check for updates everytime i open it
I have an easy solution: firewall blacklist
open jungle
it does it regardless of connection
potent portal
If the program is blacklisted then it'll try to check for updates and fail with a "no connection" error, and if it doesn't let you use the program when you're offline then it's one of the worst pieces of software that... ok maybe I give it too much credit
open jungle
it IS Asus we're talking about
potent portal
It is a sus company for sure
jagged ember
its in the name
potent portal
Speaking of sus companies, I got a notification from the asrock software I explicity never installed, but they installed via trojan from the bios that installed the "update" app
That happened after my last bios update
open jungle
it also pisses me off that armory crate likes to remove my fan profiles for no apparent reason
jagged ember
could try look for alternative software that replaces it
I completely wiped alienware command centre and just found programs that did the things I needed from it
namely mostly just the max fan mode tbh kekw
potent portal
would louis rossmann call that bios roofie-ing
He covered it 5 years ago when Asus got caught doing it, but they only got a slap on wrist so now they all think they can do it
jagged ember
louis already did a 40 minute video exposing apple's baloney
"we're a green company too we swear" yeah shut the hell up apple
potent portal
The mkbhd one? Did you see him getting dislike bombed on that vid?
jagged ember
Honestly I didn't even bother watching his video lmao
It just looked unappealing and kinda corporate
potent portal
It was a little dry but he really tore them apart piece by piece
By citing their own history
jagged ember
The mkbhd one? Did you see him getting dislike bombed on that vid?
wait were you talking about theactual mkbhd video
or louis's one
potent portal
jagged ember
oh yeah I want to watch this but i just haven't had the time yet
I love when louis rossman rips apart a company and their false claims
might just watch it on the way home or something kekw
potent portal
"Built for longevity"
So what you mean is "we identitified a problem that would cause early failures and ignored it for 2 generations, causing a class action lawsuit"
Things like that
jagged ember
built for longevity of our company
they left that part out
if you just ignore the problem and don't spend money to fix it you save money!
And just like Jensen once said
"The More You Buy..."
potent portal
Repeated it like a parrot lol