building-and-recc-chat

[lone flame]

Seeing a 4090 in person at micro was an eye opener tbh they really are gigantic

[cyan ravine]

Hour and a half is a lotta gas lol

[wary gale]

Like 20

[cyan ravine]

Like a thigh big

[wary gale]

So that’s like 60 max

[cyan ravine]

Yep 20 sounds about right

[lone flame]

Was cool just seeing the expensive stuff ngl lol

[cyan ravine]

Man I saw a buttload yesterday, only card that interested me was the gre nitro

Every other card is boring

Except arc

Arc is cool

[cold imp]

whats crackin guys i think im banned from buildapc but i need help planning a build can i ask here

[lone flame]

It was just weird being my first time at one, seeing all these products I’ve only seen in videos and IRL people who talk tech that aren’t Newegg people lmao

Was really cool

I’d like to go back again

[cyan ravine]

I'm down. Hit me with budget, purpose, and aesthetic preference

Also with/without monitor keeb mouse

And/or wifi

[lone flame]

I heard they ban people for genuine pc stuff in there, atleast the subreddit lol

[cyan ravine]

They time you out there if you call a windows key a license

Some of them are a bit toxic tbh, start fights in other servers

[lone flame]

That’s crazy

Also before you help Clemv2 will I need a RGB header thingy for my fans

[cold imp]

$2-2.5k US without peripherals might be able to stretch a bit higher
it's for a friend he's getting into 3d modeling and blender and whatnot so i was looking at building around a 3070 but honestly idk i haven't looked at computers for a long time. also light-moderate gaming and photo editing perchance
aesthetic preference i just got "preferably white"
don't need a wifi card he has ethernet

[cyan ravine]

Ok that's quite doable

Is there any gaming involved yes or no

[cold imp]

yeah

fps, modded minecraft

[cyan ravine]

Ok I know what to make

Does he want to use every dollar or nah

I could go explosively stupid here

Or I could keep it reasonable

[wary gale]

Bro it just got sold for 32

32 for a h9 is insane

[lone flame]

USD?

[wary gale]

Yes

[cold imp]

the budget is open up to like 2k but everything past that i think is only if its like that much better

[lone flame]

was it legit? I’m on my phone I just glanced at it

[cyan ravine]

I'll do about 1900

Brb

[wary gale]

Yea it is u gotta pick it up tho

[cold imp]

he budgeted for a monitor separate but i dont think he wnats to blow it all on the pc necessarily bc hes switching off of a laptop so he will have to buy a monitor at soe point

[cyan ravine]

Actually I might have overestimated it a bit we'll see

[cold imp]

okay

[cyan ravine]

@cold imp how knowledgeable is he about pc's

Is he willing to learn a bit to use it

[molten rune]

Other friend's rebuild/upgrade wanted to try and keep the AM4 socket as long as possible

There's probably a lot he could fix here imo, I'll ask him what his budget is.

Edit: budget not a concern, but currently case barely fits his 5700xt

[cold imp]

he's never downloaded malware but he's also never opened the command line if that helps? young layman ig

[cold imp]

probably

[cyan ravine]

Alright I'll keep it a buck

I got it to 1811

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kf4G89

Not really room to negotiate much though

It's kind or carefully fit together if that makes sense

[cold imp]

in what sense

[cyan ravine]

Like if I change something, something else mightn't fit/look good

[cold imp]

okay

[cyan ravine]

e.g the ram, it's covered by the cooler fan

The cpu, if I do am5 it's 100 more

Etc

[lone flame]

Would you be able to tell me by looking what fan cables are rgb and what aren’t

[cyan ravine]

Bit of a weird spot here

[cyan ravine]

3 pin hole is 5v, 4 pin hole fan

[cold imp]

thanks for the build man i'll send it over

[cyan ravine]

If the cooler isn't a box cooler he could just update bios and stick a 5700x3d in

[cyan ravine]

Np. Happy to help

[cold imp]

is rtings still good for monitors

[cyan ravine]

Yes ofc

[cold imp]

ok

[cyan ravine]

I have to go but lmk how the build goes mate

[cold imp]

yeah fs thanks again man

[cyan ravine]

Ask in here if you have questions others will chime in later

[molten rune]

Hmmm.

[cyan ravine]

Like the last upgrade worth doing on am4 and he's one of the few examples that qualify

He's not on zen 3 yet so it works

Anyway, I gotta go now, tons to do today

Good luck everyone, ask in here if you got more q's ✌️

Someone will pick up the phone lol

[plucky timber]

Imagine being the lucky few on a b450 that has good enough vrms to handle zen 3 and get a substantial upgrade

[molten rune]

I think* my tomahawk board is able to handle it..

I'll have to look.

But I have a budget that wouldn't allow me to upgrade

His would however

[dusky hearth]

most should be able to? maybe not the top end ryzen 9, but the ryzen 5 and maybe 7

[plucky timber]

most should be

but i see a lot of ds3hs around

[plucky timber]

it is

it's a really good board for how much upgradability you get out of it

[wild crane]

I GOT IT ITS FLASHING RED

ITS DOING BIOS UPDATE I THINK

[plucky timber]

POG

what fixed it?

[wild crane]

I did it on a pc and not a chrom book so all the flashing red lights stopped

[plucky timber]

ah

so the formatting was funny

[wild crane]

Is that good it went for a while like in the vid

[plucky timber]

yes

it takes a while to flash

[wild crane]

Do i turn it off and put my gpu in?

[plucky timber]

is it done flashing?

[wild crane]

Yes

No red bios light

[plucky timber]

yeah so plug everything you unplugged back in

[wild crane]

Ram gpu etc?

[plucky timber]

yes

and if it works

you'll have a really good upgrade path

[wild crane]

Im gonna turn my pc off and put everything in

[plucky timber]

sweet

turn off the power supply just in case

[wild crane]

The power button from my case isnt working

[plucky timber]

yeah that's because uh

it's the headers

[wild crane]

They are in

[plucky timber]

probably not in correctly

[plucky timber]

they're a pain

[wild crane]

Illjust turn the psu pff

[plucky timber]

yeah

clear the power first

[wild crane]

It is off

[plucky timber]

it's already off?

hmm JFP1 looks right

you have power led and power switch on the top pins right?

[wild crane]

Yes

[plucky timber]

yeah

hmm

turn on the psu again

and then press the power button

[wild crane]

Let me get my ramm in rq

[plucky timber]

Yeah that's probably why it's not turning on

[wild crane]

Does the ssd need to be screwed down?

[plucky timber]

Was it screwed down before?

[wild crane]

Yea

[plucky timber]

Oh an nvme

Yes

Definitely

[wild crane]

Is it required

[plucky timber]

Don't over screw it tho

Yeah

[wild crane]

I may have lost it

[plucky timber]

They fall out really easily

Oh

That's a pain

[dusky hearth]

no, it doesnt need to be screwed down to function, as long as it's lined up properly

[plucky timber]

Duct tape

[jagged ember]

itll work without a screw on it

[dusky hearth]

if you have a heat spreader on top, then you wouldnt notice the difference

[jagged ember]

it just might come loose if you jostle it hard enough

[dusky hearth]

mobo heat spreader specifically

[plucky timber]

I'm more afraid of it wiggling around

[dusky hearth]

what, it doesnt have legs

its not a worm lmao

it is something that you probably should fix, but not an immediate necessity

[jagged ember]

yeah sometime in the future

which i need to do still for my laptop kekw

[dusky hearth]

lmfao

[wild crane]

Im just gonna leave my pc flat for now

[jagged ember]

which arguably is even more dangerous

[dusky hearth]

fr

did your laptop not include a screw

[jagged ember]

it was for the second slot

[dusky hearth]

mine had one preinstalled iirc

[jagged ember]

so no, it didn't come with a second one

yeah it wasn't preinstalled, stupid dell

[plucky timber]

Some ssds are nice enough to include a second screw

[dusky hearth]

(a screw in the empty slot)

some ssds include a screw

i forget which one, i think it was mp33 that included a screw

[wild crane]

Ok i put everything in imma boot up

[plucky timber]

Those things are really easy to thread

This is why I don't overtighten them

[dusky hearth]

thread lol

[wild crane]

It is on

[plucky timber]

Strip*

[wild crane]

I forgot to plug the gpu in😭

[plucky timber]

Lmao

[wild crane]

Ok now everything is good

Turning it on

The gpu isnt on

[plucky timber]

Did you plug in the power cables?

[wild crane]

Yes

[plucky timber]

Gpu fans?

[plucky timber]

Some gpu fans don't turn on until it reachers a certain temperature

Yeah plug them in

[wild crane]

Plugged in

[plucky timber]

Power on

[wild crane]

Still nothing to my monitor

[wild crane]

I did

[plucky timber]

Hmm

Oh yeah btw plug the hard drive back in

[wild crane]

It is

[plucky timber]

Hmm

Did the gpu click in?

[wild crane]

Do i need to plug the keyboard in

[plucky timber]

The sata cable on the bottom looks unplugged

You know that one cable I told you to unplug yesterday?

[wild crane]

Yes

[plucky timber]

Yeah that one

Not too important but might as well

[wild crane]

In

[plucky timber]

Hmm

[wild crane]

Nothing

[plucky timber]

I'm assuming you have the display cable in the gpu

[wild crane]

Yes

[plucky timber]

Strange

Hmm

[sacred obsidian]

Make sure the power pins are seated properly and all the way. I've had trouble with the split ones in the past

[wild crane]

Do i need ro enter bios?

[sacred obsidian]

Do you see bios screen when booting up the PC with that GPU in?

[wild crane]

Nope

[sacred obsidian]

Is this a new build or upgrade or what

[wild crane]

Upgrade

[plucky timber]

Try reseating memory

[sacred obsidian]

Does the old GPU still work

[wild crane]

How does one do that?

[wild crane]

Nope

[plucky timber]

Take it out and put it back in

Make sure it clicks in

[sacred obsidian]

Did you have to add wires to the PSU to power the new card

[wild crane]

The ram sticks

[plucky timber]

Incorrect pinout?

[sacred obsidian]

If it's a modular PSU, I'm asking if you added wires to it to power the new GPU, or is it the same wires from the last gpu

[wild crane]

It did now power it back up?

[sacred obsidian]

It could be either not plugged in on the PSU side properly or in wrong place potentially

[plucky timber]

yeah

[wild crane]

Still nothing

[plucky timber]

Oh I thought you meant wires from a different set

[dusky hearth]

dont need a drive to show POST

[sacred obsidian]

I mean if that's the case that's also bad lol

[dusky hearth]

has clearing cmos been done yet

[wild crane]

Whats cmos

[dusky hearth]

i'd assume not then

[sacred obsidian]

The battery on the mobo

[plucky timber]

Yeah

[sacred obsidian]

You unplug the power completely from wall, then take out that little battery and wait about 30 secs

[jagged ember]

30?

that's not generally enough

[dusky hearth]

hold the power button for like 15

[sacred obsidian]

That's what I've always done lol

[jagged ember]

1 minute or more if you don't press the power button

[plucky timber]

I power on the pc for a bit then turn it back off

[jagged ember]

if you hold it down yeah

[wild crane]

How do i take the battery put

[sacred obsidian]

Push the little clip on the side

[dusky hearth]

or if there's a clr cmos jumper or button, that usually is more easier

[plucky timber]

Press the clip holding it in

[sacred obsidian]

It should pop up

[dusky hearth]

i absolutely hate taking out the cmos battery

it's such a pain

[plucky timber]

Tweezers required

[jagged ember]

it's just annoying fr

[wild crane]

Its out

[plucky timber]

Power on the pc for 30 seconds

Then power it back off

[wild crane]

With it out?

[plucky timber]

Then put the batt back in

[dusky hearth]

make sure the power supply is switched off or unplugged

[plucky timber]

Yes

[wild crane]

Alright i turned ot on

[plucky timber]

do we all have different ways of clearing cmos

[wild crane]

Wait a minute ish?

[jagged ember]

i think that's misleading

[plucky timber]

💀

[wild crane]

Imma wait a minute

[dusky hearth]

yeah that sentence could be confusing lmfao

[jagged ember]

if you power it on while it's plugged in the cmos isn't getting cleared

[plucky timber]

Oh it's just phrasing

[wild crane]

Wait mine is plugged in

Should i turn it off

[jagged ember]

unplug and hold down the power button for 30 seconds is what you're supposed to do

[wild crane]

Oh ok

[jagged ember]

turn it back off and do this

[dusky hearth]

having the power switch set to off works as well usually

-> me being too lazy to unplug

[jagged ember]

and phrasing matters a lot sometimes lol

[plucky timber]

Indeed

[wild crane]

Done now put battery back in and power up?

[jagged ember]

you want to be as clear and concise as possible when giving instructions

[dusky hearth]

dont need to really, you can test without batt

[sacred obsidian]

Has it been 30 secs already?

[dusky hearth]

in case you didnt clear it properly

[wild crane]

So plug it in and turn ot on?

[jagged ember]

this

[dusky hearth]

so you dont have to remove the batt again ☠️

yeah

[wild crane]

I turned it on

[dusky hearth]

if it POSTs and makes a display, then you can put the batt back in

[wild crane]

Nope

Nothing

The gpu fans arent on tho

[dusky hearth]

yeah that is expected ish

[jagged ember]

gpu fans dont always spin

[wild crane]

Do i put the bat back in?

[sacred obsidian]

Did you make sure the 24 pin and CPU power are both in?

[dusky hearth]

we could try resetting the CMOS once more in case it for whatever reason was a user error
though is your gpu in the first slot and power is plugged in properly?

[wild crane]

They are

[dusky hearth]

what are you upgrading btw, i wasnt here to see the start

was it the gpu

[wild crane]

My cpu

[dusky hearth]

oh

hmm

[plucky timber]

He just flashed bios

[dusky hearth]

bios version supports the new cpu right

[wild crane]

How do i check

[dusky hearth]

would have to look at the support list

[plucky timber]

What cpu do you have and what bios version did you download?

[wild crane]

I did whatever is at the tpp of msi tomahawk b450 bios

AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 8-Core, 16-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor

[dusky hearth]

latest bios should probably support anything from 5000 series to 2000 series hmmm

[wild crane]

Thats the new one

[sacred obsidian]

Wait a minute, can you take a photo of the side of your PSU with the info on it

[wild crane]

1 sec

[dusky hearth]

i kinda doubt it would be OPP

[sacred obsidian]

I thought he was upgrading gpu

[plucky timber]

Nope

[dusky hearth]

i'd expect it to at least POST

[plucky timber]

Something funny's going on

[wild crane]

Thats my psu

[plucky timber]

Show ram configuration

I may have a hunch

Since that was unplugged for the bios flash

[jagged ember]

I'm thinking possible ram retraining

[sacred obsidian]

Wait but you told me in the other chat you had a 550 watt

[plucky timber]

Different pc

That's the prebuilt right?

[wild crane]

Yes

[sacred obsidian]

Ahh ok that's why I was confused

[wild crane]

I got a prebuilt which sucks compared to the one im tryi nf to fix

[plucky timber]

Can't make out the last slot but

Looks like A2 B2 to me

[wild crane]

Whats that mean

[plucky timber]

Basically it's occupying one slot in both channels

[sacred obsidian]

So when the pc turns on, does the fans spin or is there any indication of power?

[plucky timber]

Most modern boards prefer a stick in A2 and a stick in B2

[wild crane]

The cpu and case fans spin

[plucky timber]

Ok that's good

[wild crane]

Are they in the roght spots

[plucky timber]

Gpu fan doesn't necessarily spin

[plucky timber]

Looks like it

A bit dark tho

[wild crane]

Also does the fans spinning means the mpther board works at least?

[dusky hearth]

no

[plucky timber]

It means there's power going to it

[wild crane]

Ok

[dusky hearth]

do you still have your old cpu

[plucky timber]

It broke

[dusky hearth]

oh

F

[wild crane]

Yes but some pins brok off

[jagged ember]

oh god

[dusky hearth]

wait

where did it break off

[plucky timber]

Oh no

[jagged ember]

are the pins inside the socket

[wild crane]

No

I dont think

😭

[dusky hearth]

probably should've checked first lol

[wild crane]

I cant tonight

[plucky timber]

Did it break off after you pulled it out?

[jagged ember]

yeah, if the pins fell off that might have been a pertinent first step to take

[wild crane]

I dont know my grandpa did that part

[sacred obsidian]

Carefully remove the new CPU and check if it has damaged pins, and then carefully put it back if it looks good

[dusky hearth]

i probably wouldnt put it back before checking the socket

[wild crane]

I dont know how and i cant my grandpa did all that stuff and he no home

[sacred obsidian]

I mean if everything looks good to the naked eye, I'd put it back immediately for safety more than anything.

[dusky hearth]

i guess?

[plucky timber]

carefully

[dusky hearth]

do you still have the cpu container

would put in there after taking out the cpu anyways

also did any of you ask if there were any debug leds lit lol

[jagged ember]

I think he doesn't know how to take out the cpu

[sacred obsidian]

Honestly I forgot about the original container 😅

[dusky hearth]

well

i certainly cant see

😂

[jagged ember]

me if i took off my glasses and stared really close at it lol

[wild crane]

I cant either i have 3 cpus and i think tjays the old one

[jagged ember]

try taking a photo with your zoomed phone camera

[dusky hearth]

3? damn

[sacred obsidian]

Lol same. Is the pins on the cpu or the mobo side?

[wild crane]

2 are like old old

[dusky hearth]

am4 is pga

[jagged ember]

am4 is still pins on cpu

[sacred obsidian]

Oh ok it's am4

[dusky hearth]

did you miss the 5700x3d lol

wait

not x3d

[wild crane]

The old one is a ryzen 3 withe intergrated graphics and i have a 3000 seroes ryzen 7

[dusky hearth]

just x

[sacred obsidian]

Honestly bruh I haven't been paying attention to the pc scene for a long time and IDK how high the numbers got when they switched lmao

[dusky hearth]

they switched at 7000

[jagged ember]

also did we check for debug LEDs already

[wild crane]

No?

[jagged ember]

I know you brought it up before but I don't think we got an answer

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-im-sayin-like-thats-what-im-sayin-gif-24363099

[jagged ember]

real

[wild crane]

Whrre would yhey be?

[dusky hearth]

top right for tomahawk afaik

yeah top right

[dusky hearth]

see what is silkscreened on it

[jagged ember]

that's them

[jagged ember]

the red ones

[wild crane]

Ok what do they mean?

[dusky hearth]

look at the label

[jagged ember]

each light will have letters written next to em

[wild crane]

Ok

[jagged ember]

(silkscreened is the official term)

[wild crane]

Dram?

[dusky hearth]

that could be either cpu or ram tbh, but ram is easier to test

idk if that's been done yet though

[jagged ember]

me neither

[dusky hearth]

have you tried to turn it on with only one stick

[wild crane]

How woukd i test it

[jagged ember]

I came in same time you did lol

[dusky hearth]

lmao

[wild crane]

No

[dusky hearth]

try with one stick

[sacred obsidian]

Take out both ram sticks, put one in to a2, turn it on

[wild crane]

Whoch is a2 f

[dusky hearth]

the left one

[wild crane]

Left most

[dusky hearth]

goes a1, a2, b1, b2

[jagged ember]

the one closest to the cpu is a1

[wild crane]

Ok just got one in a2

[jagged ember]

the one farthest is b2

[dusky hearth]

try turning it on

[wild crane]

no debug light now

Wait now its back

Wait now its not

[sacred obsidian]

Give it a sec

[jagged ember]

i also just want to confirm you did this after you turned the pc off

[wild crane]

Cpu

[dusky hearth]

btw have you been turning off the power before doing hw changes

[wild crane]

It switch9nt between all of them

[dusky hearth]

(you should have been doing that)

[jagged ember]

you didn't just take the ram out of the socket without power down?

[wild crane]

Yes

[dusky hearth]

ok good

[jagged ember]

whew

nearly kenzied there

[dusky hearth]

lmao

[wild crane]

Its going through all the lights

[dusky hearth]

my friend shorted the ram VRMs with a screwdriver by accident once

☠️

[sacred obsidian]

Over and over?

[wild crane]

Imma swithc rams

[sacred obsidian]

I have another idea if this doesn't work

If this one doesn't work, try putting one stick in A1 instead. Left most slot

[wild crane]

Now its just on cpu

Amd vga and aoot?

[sacred obsidian]

Wat

[jagged ember]

that says boot

[dusky hearth]

all 3 leds?

at the same time?

[wild crane]

Oh

No

Also gpu fans are on

[dusky hearth]

probably just warm enough to spin now

[wild crane]

Is that bad

[dusky hearth]

no

[sacred obsidian]

What led is on right now?

[dusky hearth]

rather it's a good sign that the vbios chip is still working fine

[wild crane]

Non

[dusky hearth]

for the gpu

hmm

[sacred obsidian]

Ok let it run for a min and see if it posts

It might take a few when you move stuff around a lot

[wild crane]

My keyboard is on now too

[jagged ember]

ram training might be happening

[plucky timber]

He did update bios

[jagged ember]

go get a cup of water

[plucky timber]

So

[wild crane]

Imma make a milk shake brb yall

[plucky timber]

Maybe let it run for a couple minutes

[sacred obsidian]

Make me one

[dusky hearth]

damn

[jagged ember]

just like step out and take a lil break yeah

[dusky hearth]

a whole milkshake

[jagged ember]

also damn bro's making a whole milkshake

[wild crane]

Its got moose tracks and chocaltw milk

[dusky hearth]

"my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard" as they say

[wild crane]

Side adventure

[dusky hearth]

lol

[sacred obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-gif-23216096

[jagged ember]

new quest: make a milkshake

[sacred obsidian]

Fiery's house soon

[wild crane]

Milkshake takes priority

Ok now to see if the pc works

AAAAHH

[sacred obsidian]

WOO

[wild crane]

WAIT

[jagged ember]

lets go

ez clap

[sacred obsidian]

So this is with one stick in a2, correct?

[wild crane]

Restart right?

[plucky timber]

Oh my god

It boots

[dusky hearth]

could try with 2 sticks again

[plucky timber]

Yes

[jagged ember]

yeah do two sticks after power off

[plucky timber]

Yeah turn the power off

[wild crane]

Ok

[plucky timber]

Cheer lads

[sacred obsidian]

Only took a village 😂

[plucky timber]

https://tenor.com/view/beer-time-gif-11946345257823808929

Replace the beer with milkshake

[jagged ember]

i want to say it was the milkshake that fixed it

[sacred obsidian]

Or... Beer shakes.

[wild crane]

I slipped while running in excitement

[plucky timber]

Beer shake cocktail

[sacred obsidian]

Actually a beer shake sounds gross lol

[plucky timber]

Very

[dusky hearth]

i hope the milkshake is fine LMFAO

[jagged ember]

pc wasn't damaged but human got damaged smh

[sacred obsidian]

😂

[jagged ember]

that milkshake better be fine it was the only reason the pc worked-

[wild crane]

I gotta clean up glass rq

[jagged ember]

oh god

[plucky timber]

NOOOOOO

[sacred obsidian]

I guess it wasn't

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-crying-walter-dying-gif-20964719

[plucky timber]

NOT THE MILKSHAKE

[dusky hearth]

the pc lives.... but at what cost

[wild crane]

Pc is still booting

[wild crane]

Bo the minkshake is fine

[jagged ember]

oh

[sacred obsidian]

That's fine give it time. If it gets stuck on that vram light it means that stick you just put in is dead. Which means you just gotta replace that one stick

[plucky timber]

Lmao

[wild crane]

Im not responsible enough to put my drinks into glass😂

Just knocked some stuff off a shelf on accident

My pc also keeps restarting it hasnt fully booted yet

[sacred obsidian]

That's why I buy plastic cups that look like nice glass ones

[plucky timber]

Probably windows being funny

[jagged ember]

that does mean it's alive tho

just binbows being stupid

[wild crane]

Its back to the black screen with windows logo

[plucky timber]

It's might be trying to figure out what's going on

[plucky timber]

In classic annoying Microsoft fashion

[wild crane]

Good start tho first screen ive gotten out of this pc in like a week

[plucky timber]

critical service failed

Sounds like a windows problem

[wild crane]

How do i fix that(

[plucky timber]

Uh

[jagged ember]

pfft windows being stupid fr

[wild crane]

It just keeps restarting

[plucky timber]

I want to say reinstall windows

[wild crane]

How does one do that?

[jagged ember]

probably just do a startup repair with installation media on a flash drive

[wild crane]

WAIT

[plucky timber]

But maybe order new ssd screws first

[jagged ember]

unless you don't care about any files on your current install

[wild crane]

I

[plucky timber]

Oh my god

[wild crane]

Wait nvm

[jagged ember]

oh hey

[wild crane]

It just restarted again😂

😭

[dusky hearth]

might just be windows being confused about a new cpu

[plucky timber]

Windows does that alot

[dusky hearth]

new phone who dis

[wild crane]

How do i fix thay?

[plucky timber]

It fixes itself

Or it doesn't

[dusky hearth]

theoretically

[jagged ember]

I'd prep a windows media installation on a flash drive using a different computer

[plucky timber]

Windows is a prick

^

[wild crane]

I have a different pc luckily

[jagged ember]

great

[sacred obsidian]

If you get into recovery mode you can reinstall Windows from there

[dusky hearth]

there's actually a way to do it on android phones as well

[jagged ember]

windows 10, right?

[dusky hearth]

idk where the guide is though

[wild crane]

Yes

[jagged ember]

no way

[plucky timber]

I mean in theory it works

Probably like linux

Do you just copy the iso using the terminal?

[jagged ember]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10

[wild crane]

Is this windows 10?

[jagged ember]

download that on your other pc, plug in a flash drive, run the program and get it installed onto the flash drive

it does say windows 10

[dusky hearth]

found it https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Windows-Troubleshooting-Utilities/wiki/Steps-to-create-bootable-Windows-installer-from-Mac,Linux-or-Android#make-a-windows-bootable-usb-install-flash-drive-using-an-android-phone-thanks-to-𝕽𝖊𝖔𝖗𝖝𝖎𝖘𝖙-on-discord-for-the-guide

[sacred obsidian]

I would just reinstall from recovery mode. If he does fresh install from media after changing his CPU, isn't there a chance it won't recognize his key and he'd have to buy it again?

[jagged ember]

its linked to his MS account probably

[wild crane]

Wait my pc turned off

[jagged ember]

and i was thinking of booting from it and doing a startup repair instead anyway

[wild crane]

I dont kn ow why

[dusky hearth]

are you still running 1 stick or did you put the other stick in

[wild crane]

1

[plucky timber]

YOOO

ventoy is on android?

Damn

[wild crane]

What?

[sacred obsidian]

Turn on the PC, as soon as you see boot screen hold the power til it turns off. Do that 3 times then turn it on. It should reboot into recovery mode for you

[plucky timber]

Funny multiboot usb flash tool

[wild crane]

Wait its booting kinda normaly if it tries to restart again should i turn off psu?

[sacred obsidian]

No, hold power.

[wild crane]

And its back to restartong

[sacred obsidian]

Hold power until it turns off, then turn it back on and repeat 3 times.

[wild crane]

Wait send the download for windows 10 again please

[jagged ember]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10

[sacred obsidian]

You shouldn't need it if you can get into recovery mode

[jagged ember]

Idk why its the Canadian site when I'm not even there kekw

[wild crane]

Does this usb work

[sacred obsidian]

Recovery mode has it's own reinstaller

[jagged ember]

Though this is true, it's cool to have just in case

If the install itself is corrupted

[plucky timber]

Any usb works

[wild crane]

Download tool?

[jagged ember]

Also anything on that flash drive is gonna go bye bye

[dusky hearth]

it knows

[jagged ember]

If you got something important on that drive save it

[wild crane]

Its empty

How do i download it now?

[jagged ember]

So click on the link and hit download

[wild crane]

I only see update now

And download tool noe

Oh download tool now

Right?

[jagged ember]

Download tool yeah

[wild crane]

Ok now open?

[jagged ember]

Once it's downloaded yeah

[wild crane]

It gave me a pop up hit accept?

[jagged ember]

Yep

[wild crane]

Getting a few thing ready

[jagged ember]

It's making a milkshake too

[wild crane]

Oh great i can share with yall

[jagged ember]

Wonderful

[wild crane]

Wait can i swith the old pc to windows 11 freely?

I like the look more

[jagged ember]

Sure you can but depending on what's in it

Could be not supported

[wild crane]

Nvm ill keep 10

[jagged ember]

I forget their hardware requirements tho

[dusky hearth]

if you use rufus you could just ignore the requirements

[wild crane]

Its needs to be 8 gb

[jagged ember]

Oh

Also that yeah

I forgot to mention

I just assumed most drives would be 8+

[wild crane]

I dont got a 8 gb drive i dont think

[jagged ember]

Anything bigger?

[wild crane]

Spidrman can only hold 3

[wild crane]

Lemme look

[jagged ember]

8+GB will work

[dusky hearth]

technically even an external ssd could work afaik lmfao

as long as it's empty

[jagged ember]

Also true

[wild crane]

What about an xbox drive?

[jagged ember]

Would have been my next step haha

[dusky hearth]

is there a way to connect it via usb?

[jagged ember]

Ooh you might not be able to use it for your Xbox after iirc

[wild crane]

I dont ise it anyway

[dusky hearth]

also yeah there might be custom files on it

[jagged ember]

Something About how it's formatted on Xbox makes it exclusive

So stupid

But it would work for an installation media

[wild crane]

can i change thay?

Ots not popping up

[dusky hearth]

you would likely need to reformat the drive

[wild crane]

Thats not gonna work i dont think

[jagged ember]

I think it needs to be formatted in drive management

[dusky hearth]

honestly speaking, you could wait till tomorrow

[jagged ember]

Yeah

[wild crane]

Its npt popping up in files

[dusky hearth]

buy a cheap usb drive

[jagged ember]

That too

Probably try to get the PC in recovery mode for now

[wild crane]

But who would i be to not look

[wild crane]

What about this?

[dusky hearth]

dAMN

[wild crane]

Good?

[dusky hearth]

a physical windows disk

[wild crane]

What about it?

My grandparents old

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[wild crane]

Does it work tho?

[dusky hearth]

should

[wild crane]

Okimma turn my working pc off

Turning not working one on

[dusky hearth]

i wouldnt call it not working one anymore

i would call it the semi working one

[wild crane]

No windows one

Nwo

[sacred obsidian]

Geez I haven't seen a physical windows disk in years

[wild crane]

And my wo

[dusky hearth]

ikr

[wild crane]

Goddamit am i glad to see it tho

Ok its on and restarting now whay

[jagged ember]

Oh my god I come back and see the physical disk

[sacred obsidian]

Yeah that's hella good luck lol

[dusky hearth]

even the shops with the windows boxes also just come with a usb

where i am

[jagged ember]

When am I

[dusky hearth]

who am i

[jagged ember]

How am I

[sacred obsidian]

I honestly didn't even know windows 10 had disks 😂

[wild crane]

Its diagnosing my pc

Good or no?

[plucky timber]

I thought they just give you the activation key these days

[dusky hearth]

possibly good

[jagged ember]

If it ends up booting into windows good

[dusky hearth]

how are you going to install

most people dont know you can make installation media with an android phone

[jagged ember]

Telekinesis

[jagged ember]

I didn't

[sacred obsidian]

I knew you could get it with premade USB sticks

[wild crane]

Also if i get my old one to work can o return the mew one to newegg?

[dusky hearth]

hell, most people dont even know how to make installation media with a pc

[plucky timber]

Or a usb

[jagged ember]

New what?

[wild crane]

New prebuilt

[sacred obsidian]

Advanced options

[plucky timber]

That's in the windows install

[dusky hearth]

if it's within the return period yeah

[jagged ember]

Berfect choose advanced

[wild crane]

Ok

[plucky timber]

Did you boot into the install medium?

[wild crane]

I got it today so it ahould he but its open

[jagged ember]

He didn't get the installation media cause he doesn't have a thumb drive big enough

Troubleshoot

[sacred obsidian]

Troubleshoot

[dusky hearth]

Troubleshoot

[plucky timber]

Wait

[wild crane]

Reset this pc or advanced options

[plucky timber]

I thought he's using the disc

[jagged ember]

Advanced

[wild crane]

Am

[jagged ember]

O he is lol

Kekw

[wild crane]

Im at this

[plucky timber]

Yeah you're not on the disc

You're on the

Wait what

[dusky hearth]

they're on the wait what?

[plucky timber]

huh

[wild crane]

So wait do i go backM

[jagged ember]

Startup repair would be my first step

[plucky timber]

Wait are you in the windows recovery or the disc

[wild crane]

I dont knoe

[plucky timber]

Anyways doesn't matter for now

[dusky hearth]

disk windows recovery

[sacred obsidian]

Yeah

[wild crane]

What do i do?

[sacred obsidian]

Windows media has start up repair told too

[wild crane]

Im on this

[sacred obsidian]

Click start up repair

[wild crane]

Done

[jagged ember]

Hope it works

[wild crane]

Diagnosing pv

Eait it is using disk

[dusky hearth]

time to sleep and wait

[plucky timber]

No it's checking for disk errors

[jagged ember]

Gib time

Also it's checking drive for errors

[sacred obsidian]

That's step 1. See if it fixes. If not, navigate back and try system image recovery next. If that doesn't work, then I would use the reset my PC option

[jagged ember]

It just says disk because they don't update the wording

[wild crane]

Ok

[plucky timber]

Could be a funny efi 🤷‍♀️

Or anything really

[wild crane]

But this mean my pc isnt cooked?

[plucky timber]

Windows isn't very specific

[jagged ember]

Yes

[dusky hearth]

considering that you're able to boot

[wild crane]

WAAHOOO

[jagged ember]

Just windows is broked

[dusky hearth]

yes, your pc isnt a lost cause

[sacred obsidian]

Nah your PC is fine. Rn it's windows being dumb about something

[plucky timber]

As always

I'd order a bunch of ssd screws

[dusky hearth]

me when software issues

[plucky timber]

I reinstall windows every year

It's just that annoying

[dusky hearth]

damn

dedication

[plucky timber]

Every year something funny happens

[jagged ember]

I just run sfc and dism constantly

[dusky hearth]

i wait until my windows install is broken enough that i cant stand it anymore then reinstall

[wild crane]

Also do yall think my ram is done or can i try putting that back ehen im done

[sacred obsidian]

Make sure you tell your Gramps you fixed it all by yourself, without the help of random strangers on Newegg, cause you're secretly a super genius

[dusky hearth]

you could try

real

[jagged ember]

Try with the other stick after it's done

[sacred obsidian]

You can try putting it back in. If it gets stuck on the vram light,then that stick of ram is bad.

[dusky hearth]

i kinda doubt the ram is dead tbh

it likely was just the ram training

[plucky timber]

Yeah

[wild crane]

He would be mad i did stuff without knowing and he would be mad that random peoples help got it and not his jours of research

[dusky hearth]

considering that the ram was working before the cpu upgrade presumably

[jagged ember]

Ram now knows how to sit

Next it needs to roll over

[wild crane]

Attepmting repairs btw

[plucky timber]

I mean it is hours of research

By Newegg peeps

[jagged ember]

We are the research

[dusky hearth]

combined we probably have months of research

if not years

[plucky timber]

Yeah

[wild crane]

Also yesterday when you were helping me he told me to not and i did not listen😭

[plucky timber]

Foxy was here for a while too

[jagged ember]

Foxy smort

[sacred obsidian]

Just remember when you put the ram back in, give it time to boot.

[dusky hearth]

well, it's honestly not just research

[plucky timber]

A lot of past experience

[jagged ember]

Experience too

[dusky hearth]

it's also hands on problem solving

[wild crane]

Ok and if i see red light take it out(

[dusky hearth]

yeah

[jagged ember]

Yes

[plucky timber]

My experience is probably outdated at this point

[dusky hearth]

i wouldnt say so

[wild crane]

Everything is outdated

[sacred obsidian]

Specifically the vram light

[dusky hearth]

most should still apply

[plucky timber]

Yeah

[wild crane]

Ok

[plucky timber]

I'm a rookie when it comes to anything newer than AM4

Especially with DDR5 platforms

[dusky hearth]

my hardware knowledge of what's currently good is absolutely outdated though

[sacred obsidian]

Same

[wild crane]

My new prebuilt is more outdated then my pc i built liek 5 years ago only new thing on the pre built is windows 11

[jagged ember]

Same kekw

[plucky timber]

Same

[jagged ember]

All I know is 7800x good

[dusky hearth]

only goes up to 3000 series ryzen for me lmfao

[plucky timber]

I just look on pcpp and sort by price

[sacred obsidian]

Same lol

[dusky hearth]

i just look at rtings for the stuff they test

[sacred obsidian]

That's when I stopped using my PC.

[plucky timber]

It's probably up to Ryzen 7000 for me

Intel is a blank

[wild crane]

Should i reset my new pre built and re box it?

[plucky timber]

Mostly because they're been kinda mediocre except for the mid range

[plucky timber]

Sell it

Yes

[dusky hearth]

all i know about intel is like, 12th gen was better value

[wild crane]

Returning it probably

[plucky timber]

Future upgrade money

Yeah good idea

[dusky hearth]

i doubt its still true

maybe it is, maybe it isnt

lmfao

[plucky timber]

It was true because

[jagged ember]

Return it fr you can't sell it for more than the price you bought it haha

[plucky timber]

i5 something

[wild crane]

That is not up to me sadly and knowing my gramps it will not be for that

[jagged ember]

Nobody's gonna buy it

[plucky timber]

12400kf?

No

There's no K in 400

12400F

[wild crane]

After this wholr new cpu problem i will not be upgrading anything that isnt ram

[plucky timber]

Ironically

[sacred obsidian]

I'm willing to bet the issue is someone removed the ram and it wasn't seated properly. Idk why the ram would've been removed tho

[dusky hearth]

cpu upgrades usually are not this bad LOL

[plucky timber]

(i think it was your gramps)

[wild crane]

That was probaby me😭

Maybe idk

Doesnt matter now

[plucky timber]

I think it was just ram training

New bios

[dusky hearth]

im sure your gramps is a lovely guy but damn he broke the pins off the old cpu

i think that tells enough

lmfao

[wild crane]

Hey man he tried his hardest i love him for that he might not have gotten it but a for affort

[sacred obsidian]

I mean it happens. That's why we tell people to reseat things. You never know. The only time it sucks is when people say "ok I reseated it" when they didn't lol

[plucky timber]

Yeah

Ram is very annoying

[dusky hearth]

"i'll check in the back"
walks in and does a dance and walks back out
"nope there's none in there"

[jagged ember]

Exactly

[plucky timber]

Half of my issues were probably memory related

Something something memory oc

Windows went kaput

[wild crane]

Also how long does attempting repairs take?

[dusky hearth]

i have memory issues due to my cursed mix of bdie and cheapo ram

[sacred obsidian]

It can take a while

[plucky timber]

Milkshake time

[dusky hearth]

2x16gb silicon power and 2x8gb patriot viper

[wild crane]

Also how does one reset a pv?

Pc

[sacred obsidian]

I have memory issues cause I'm old and didn't read enough growing up

[dusky hearth]

lmao

[plucky timber]

I used to mix 1x 8gb and 1x16gb

[dusky hearth]

i have memory issues because my brain only store info when it feels like it 😭

[plucky timber]

That was because I dropped one of my sticks but I also needed more ram

[wild crane]

Do you know how i would clear everything i did on the prebuilt i got

[plucky timber]

How long have you been using it

Usually the windows reset works

[wild crane]

A few hours

[plucky timber]

Ok yeah just reset it

[wild crane]

Where is windows reset?

[jagged ember]

Personally I'd do that with an installation media lol

[plucky timber]

True

[jagged ember]

Format the whole thing and do an install

[plucky timber]

Gets rid of everything

[sacred obsidian]

Same. Studying for a+ has been so difficult. Like I can build a PC and do a lot of things no problem but don't ask me to memorize what raid does what or what bash commands do what like they just won't stick

[plucky timber]

Accounts and stuff

[plucky timber]

Bro

[jagged ember]

Makes sure it's hard to recover anything from the PC

[wild crane]

Well i just wanna return it

[plucky timber]

The difference between an A and an A+ is like a different between a C and an A

The amount of extra work you have to put in

[wild crane]

All i have is my google account tarkov acount and discord

[plucky timber]

💀

[jagged ember]

And Microsoft account?

[plucky timber]

Yeah you don't want anyone getting their hands on your info

So

[wild crane]

Oh yea that too

[wild crane]

Such as?

[plucky timber]

Account logins

[jagged ember]

That's the most important account

[wild crane]

Ok fair point

[jagged ember]

Microsoft one haha

[sacred obsidian]

Are we both talking about the same thing? Comptia a+ cert?

[wild crane]

Do i need a windows 11 drive to do the reset?

[plucky timber]

Wait

Oh

[dusky hearth]

better method is to securely wipe the drive with 1 and 0 randomly, then reinstall frfr

[sacred obsidian]

😂

[plucky timber]

I thought you meant grades in general

[jagged ember]

Windows 11 yeah, since that's what it came with

[dusky hearth]

reset, no, reinstall, yes

[sacred obsidian]

Nah I'm trying to get tech certs

[wild crane]

I aint got a cd for that

[plucky timber]

Uh

Time to get a new usb

[wild crane]

How do i do that

[jagged ember]

Oh yeah he doesn't lol

[plucky timber]

Ok so

[dusky hearth]

step 1: go to the store and buy a usb drive since you dont have one the right size

[plucky timber]

You should order:
M.2 screws
USB drive

[sacred obsidian]

You can just boot into recovery mode

[wild crane]

Ill worry about it tomorrow then and guess who im going to for help‼️

[jagged ember]

The point is we want a full format

Not a windows reset that doesn't really do too much haha

[plucky timber]

fr

[jagged ember]

Good idea

[sacred obsidian]

Pretty sure windows 11 recovery mode provides that option

[plucky timber]

It's like fixing a broken hammer with a broken anvil

[sacred obsidian]

It asks if you're restoring it to sell or to keep for that reason

[plucky timber]

Terrible analogy but

[wild crane]

WAIT

[jagged ember]

Windows reset != Full drive wipe

[dusky hearth]

which part of the hammer you fixing

[wild crane]

This good?

[dusky hearth]

if it's a steel hammer it's kinda hard to fix since the whole head is tempered

[plucky timber]

Very terrible analogy 💀

[dusky hearth]

lmao

[jagged ember]

I don't trust windows to do anything right bro

[dusky hearth]

good luck getting the correct temper on a hammer head

[jagged ember]

You can try hit continue now if that screen popped up after the repair

[sacred obsidian]

I mean I wouldn't worry to much about it but I don't keep super private stuff on my PC lol

[jagged ember]

Fair

[plucky timber]

It does become a problem when the install becomes corrupt

[jagged ember]

But it'll be more secure and tomorrow he'll have a drive he can use for the same purpose later

[dusky hearth]

tbh probably isnt actually too hard, though idk if they oil quench or water quench hammers

[jagged ember]

And yes, it doesn't work well if the installation borked somewhere

Okay brb

[plucky timber]

Same with any os really

I have a handy multiboot with a bunch of isos for this reason

[dusky hearth]

im going to sleep 🛌

[wild crane]

Wait now it just goes back to what it was doi g before

Your device ran into a problem:(

Press any key to boot from cd or dvd?

[plucky timber]

Yes

[wild crane]

Ok diagnosing pc

[plucky timber]

Try shutting it down then starting it after

Not just a restart

[wild crane]

Restart or advanced option

[plucky timber]

Uh

Shutdown

[wild crane]

Ok turned it off

[plucky timber]

Then press power button

[wild crane]

Ok

Went back to the sme thing ran into a problem restart