building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

There's another $23

[mossy venture]

shipping tho

[austere condor]

but more in shipping cause its a bigger box

[mossy venture]

there's the m60

[cyan ravine]

Sama argb-q5 or im01

[mossy venture]

if it fits what's needed

idk if it fits a dvd drive though

[austere condor]

5.25 in bay?

and fractal build quality is great

[cyan ravine]

I'd say yes but it's getting a bit hot for m60

[mossy venture]

ye true

[cyan ravine]

If you went ryzen route you could do m60

[cyan ravine]

These are often sub 60, lian li oem

[mossy venture]

this isn't too big https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RRhv6h/cougar-mx330-g-pro-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g-pro

[austere condor]

i think we've got this thing pretty damn well optimized

[cyan ravine]

The argb-q5 is literally a lian li 205m mesh

[austere condor]

glass side tho =/

[mossy venture]

ah

[austere condor]

workshop, worried about the glass

[cyan ravine]

Well we could go even cheaper then

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KLQcCJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-01

[cyan ravine]

There are mesh cooler master boxes

[austere condor]

well yeha, i have the mini version of that so its cheaper to ship, same cost

[mossy venture]

not that's still compatible on pcp

ah yeah didnt see thats atx version

silent has solid front panel which sucks

[austere condor]

yeah =/

well with the 3050

i can throw in some ARCTIC P12s

[mossy venture]

c12c

3 pack

p12s great, c12c also good and more economical

[austere condor]

i have excess of both

[mossy venture]

ah ok

thought you meant buying extras

[mossy venture]

not enough idt

youll need atleast 3x that for this build

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DYQ7L9

[austere condor]

🤮 that case tho

[mossy venture]

i have the n400

it is not enjoyable

PITA to clean

[austere condor]

yeah this is going to be in a garage/shop

worth spending on build quality thats gonna be easier to clean

[cyan ravine]

It was a loved case of 2014

What's wrong with it lol

[mossy venture]

honestly a solid front panel isnt bad for that lol

[austere condor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nxbvJy

i think we optimized the hell out of this

and this is pretty solid

throw in some fans

ezpz

[mossy venture]

im not against a solid front panel to lessen dust buildup

bc i know damn well that it's not going to be cleaned every couple of months

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah I forgot this exists

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yVmNnQ/gamemax-meshbox-atx-mid-tower-case-gmx-meshbox-b

Beloved case

[mossy venture]

thats a good suggestion

and just do negative pressure

[cyan ravine]

Pro is a revision

[mossy venture]

i think thats the right term

[cyan ravine]

Yes

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y6FmP6/gamemax-meshbox-pro-atx-mid-tower-case-meshbox-pro-bk

[mossy venture]

oh but again atx

[cyan ravine]

Killing me smalls

[mossy venture]

@austere condor
https://www.newegg.com/p/27N-0002-001F1?Item=9SIADFRK9N6890&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIADFRK9N6890-_-06102024

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6650-xt-rx-665x8dfdy/p/N82E16814150870T?Item=N82E16814150870T&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-150-870T-_-06102024

[austere condor]

wasnt like

the whole newegg refurbished thing a problem?

[mossy venture]

from what i know thats in the past, but it definitely happened

[uneven glade]

Hey can someone give me an opinion on my pc? I use it for streaming and gaming just want to hear some opinions on it and if its strong enough or what can be better optimized.

4060ti 8gb
Ryzen 7 7700x
MSI B650
32gb of DDR5
750W ATX 80 plus Gold
CM Master Liquid ML240L
5 CM Master Fans

[weary galleon]

already built?

[uneven glade]

yes

[weary galleon]

ok

I mean as long as it's doing what you need it to do you should be good. Got some cpu headroom there for a future gpu upgrade

[uneven glade]

what would you recommend? 4080? 4070 Super?

[weary galleon]

I think 7900gre is a pretty good option rn. I haven't been keepign up with GPUs much lately though

[cyan ravine]

Are you having issues rn

If you aren't having issues with the pc rn, then upgrading won't do much of anything

If you can still return the 4060Ti though I'd suggest a 7700XT or maybe used 3070

Bit bus could, become a bit of a problem on a 4060 Ti

[molten rune]

Update to my friend's thing, ended up being bad NVME drive

No recoverable sectors 😦

The rest was good still.
Weird how it was spitting back other errors

[cyan ravine]

Ah

Dead dram on ssd

I'll be honest I considered bringing it up but idk why I changed my mind

SSD's work with nand as well and have their own ram or use the pc ram

So that makes complete sense

[mossy venture]

@austere condor
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/1dcy6gg/usatxh_rx_5700_xts_w_paypal/

$130 5700xt I'd def take over a 3050 at $160

Not sure if still available though

[vale epoch]

So my 7800x3d build with a 7900xt cost me about 2000usd with tax including a 180hz 1440p monitor, keyboard, mouse and surge protector.

Did i do good or bad?

I’m still making a pcpp for it btw

[vale epoch]

Actually it cost me 1950usd

Prolly

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gLwVpB
It varies based on storage needs, aesthetics, and some other personal preferences but here's what I'd recommend as a base

If there's anything you're unsure on or would like different (ie want white, no rgb, very quiet, etc)

[vale epoch]

Yeah mine came about to 100usd cheaper than that and also scored a t500pro 2tb ssd cuz within that price cuz of a coupon

[vale epoch]

Btw how does that psu compare to this one i used? https://a.co/d/btGEJR3

[stoic island]

Should be equivalent

[mossy venture]

Oh microcenter?

[vale epoch]

Yup

Didn’t save as much as I expected

And I supposedly got an unreliable asus mobo too

[mossy venture]

can you link the build list?

and did you already buy the full build?

not an issue if you did, just asking

[vale epoch]

I bought it fully and built it already
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M7BPrv

[odd venture]

hi everyone i have a question about memory compatibility and was hoping somebody here might know, whether i'm correct in understanding all this, sorry for the long post.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144505
MSI MEG Z690 ACE DDR5 LGA 1700 Intel Z690 SATA 6Gb/s Extended ATX
Board supports:
Memory Standard DDR5 1R 4800 (by JEDEC & POR)

Max. overclocking frequency:
1DPC 1R Max speed up to 6666+
1DPC 2R Max speed up to 5600+
2DPC 1R Max speed up to 4000+
2DPC 2R Max speed up to 4000+

Memory I want to use: https://www.newegg.com/kingston-96gb/p/N82E16820242826 — KF560C32RSK2-96

This is said to run DDR5 at 6000MHz and it's 2 x 48GB, but I'm not entirely certain it would.

It's listed compatible with a supported speed of up to 6000 MHz, shown in the list here if you search the model number. https://pangoly.com/en/compatibility/msi-meg-z690-ace/ram on this page. So does the supported speed mean they tested it and got it running at that speed, or would I need to downclock that to like 5600 MHz or something?!

[cyan ravine]

96GB is going to be difficult to run

[stoic island]

The 'max' they list is just some of what they have tested, while you may be limited by your CPU's IMC, the motherboard will be fine doing 6000mhz

[cyan ravine]

especially on z690 2dpc boards

[stoic island]

its kinda interesting it says 1dpc 2r up to 5600 and then it says it supports that dual rank kit at 6000 lol

[cyan ravine]

It'll probably do 6000 64GB

[odd venture]

2 x 32 GB, be better then? https://www.newegg.com/team-64gb/p/N82E16820985005

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

[odd venture]

That's what I'm figuring.

[cyan ravine]

I would wager that's both better and more likely to work

$90 per 32gb is good value, that's a good kit

Do you already own this ace

[odd venture]

Glad to hear that I spent about 2 hours analyzing memory.

I do, yeah.

[cyan ravine]

Alr

Nothing wrong with an ace, just Z690 in general aged pretty poorly with memory

Save for like 3 motherboards lol

[odd venture]

I got it for 223 new

[cyan ravine]

That's not bad

For a high end io that's quite good in fact

[odd venture]

Not only did it seem like the best option besides wasting another 300 on a wifi7 and next gen board, i might as well just stick with the previous gen

[cyan ravine]

Z690 is current gen rn

[odd venture]

supposedly was a 600 board when it came out, and the aesthetics of it alone seem to be a selling point to me, I see one sell for 260 already

[cyan ravine]

(For a bit longer)

[odd venture]

I thought Z790 was ahead?

Intel 700 Series?

[cyan ravine]

Ye it's an aesthetics board. It comes with a huge range of io

[odd venture]

Does that not count as a generation?

[cyan ravine]

Same socket

12th, 13th, 14th, all work on that board lol

[mossy venture]

theyre both lga1700/1800

wait

no

[cyan ravine]

I mean yeah it's an older gen board sure

[mossy venture]

technichally not

ignore me

[cyan ravine]

?

They are

[mossy venture]

wasnt z790 technichalyl lga1800

[cyan ravine]

LGA1700/18XX

No

[mossy venture]

or is it 13th gen/14th gen thats lga1800

[cyan ravine]

If it was 12th gen wouldn't work

[mossy venture]

and 12th gen is 1700

[cyan ravine]

They're all 1700

Sir

[mossy venture]

i remember something funky about this

[cyan ravine]

Gramps I think it's time for your meds

💀

[mossy venture]

fair

[cyan ravine]

If it was 1800 then 12th gen and 13th/14th would be completely incompatible

[odd venture]

z790 is lga 1700

[cyan ravine]

Ye

But the weirdness in the statement is like, 14th gen can still do current gen performance on a Z690 UX lol

[odd venture]

msi just released one like 2 months ago or less

[vale epoch]

@mossy venture what do you think?

[mossy venture]

good build

[odd venture]

How about my build? Not quite done, but yeah.

https://i.imgur.com/qukPshH.png

[cyan ravine]

Swap from a ventus imo

It's not the 2x, but the ventus and gaming slims are just not that great in general

No VRM cooling on a lot of them

[odd venture]

Do you think so? What do you think I should get GPU wise?

[cyan ravine]

So much so the Ventus got the "E" revision

Cheapest (or next cheapest) 4070S if you want 4070S imo

4000D is...well it was great 2 years ago, cases have come a long way since then

Air 903 Max/Base might be nicer here

Or maybe a Montech Sky Two if you like a stylish choice

I'm not super critical of the case tho, I wouldn't lose it over a 4000D

[odd venture]

I've been using a case from 2011 and prior and a motherboard from 15 years ago for the past 15 years

I'm not super picky, it'll suffice.

[cyan ravine]

Phanteks XT pro also nice with some thermalright c12c's

Small savings if not too late

[odd venture]

sure is flat

I like that

[cyan ravine]

If ya like it, glad to help lol

[odd venture]

as long as its not somewhere i'd walk directly into it with my foot i'd be good

im going with the 4000d still either way im sold on it

already ordered the solid panel version of the front panel from Corsair lol, dont even have the case

[cyan ravine]

Fair enough

[odd venture]

I think the 4000d really matches the aesethic pattern of the z690 ace though

[odd venture]

i bet you'll prolly have something to say about this one, but I think I've settled on a really aesthetically pleasing GPU
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-rtx-4070-ti-super-16g-gaming-x-trio-white/p/N82E16814137859

That thing is gorgeous

[cyan ravine]

I'm not much of an aesthetics person, but this is equivalent without the white tax
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WbxxFT/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-pgw-20go

Unless you need Nvidia for something specific

[stoic island]

Outside of blender and very specific games, the 7900xt will perform very similar to the 4070 ti super for $100 less

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much yeah, often faster in niche scenarios

Data rate dependent work with tensor though, the 4070TiS specifically might be a little better, it depends

The super got the bus width bump

[odd venture]

I'd rather have me cuda cores

[stoic island]

It's your choice, as long as you understand that you're paying $100 for just that.

[odd venture]

Yeah, I'll need them I'm interesting in doing AI stuff. Training models, etc.

[vale epoch]

Do i need to change the cables? Apparently they look pretty bad and may damage the system? I just used whatever came with my psu wondering if I should get another

[sacred obsidian]

I don't see any that would get damaged, but you can manage the wires neater if you want

[obsidian wigeon]

the cables aren't in the way of anything

they just don't look pretty, that's all

[sacred obsidian]

put the wires through the closest holes, heres some examples. Then make it look neat and tidy using the wire straps on the back of the case

[misty laurel]

Hey all, looking for a good motherboard/processor to go with an MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3070 Gaming Z Trio 8G LHR 8GB GDRR6. Any suggestions and thanks!

[mossy venture]

do you alr have the gpu?

what is your budget for the build?

[misty laurel]

I have an MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3070 Gaming Z Trio 8G LHR 8GB GDRR6, tower and powr supply. That's it so far.

[cyan ravine]

You can clean them up but as long as you can hear nothing touching it won't make a huge difference

[mossy venture]

what tower and psu

[misty laurel]

CORSAIR - 4000D AIRFLOW ATX MidTower Case and CORSAIR - CX-M Series CX650M Semi-Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply

[mossy venture]

alright, and you already own them?

what do you want to spend on the rest of the build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xFVrbL

[misty laurel]

Yeah, basically got a deal on the 3070 to upgrade but it won't fit in current tower. And that MB is not able to be removed. So just upgrading around the card now.

Not sure what is reasonable, I'd say a mid level price point.

[mossy venture]

what cpu you on right now?

[misty laurel]

On the road so not 100% sure, I think it's an i7 3.3 or similar

Might b i5

[sacred obsidian]

Might wanna utilize DDU

[cyan ravine]

Did you try the other motherboard slots last time

I can't remember what the outcome of that was

Rip, yeah try ddu and drivers, if same problem then it's sadly going to be the motherboard slot

Lightning doesn't strike twice

Means the gpus are ok

Internal, you'd maybe see ripped pads at the base of it

Or perhaps a gouge along the major traces

Otherwise no you wouldn't really see it

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[cyan ravine]

Just take the whole thing to MC if you're not that keen on swapping things

At that point it has to be the motherboard imo, or in a rare circumstance the cpu/psu

I can never totally rule out a weird psu or a weird ryzen chip, they do a lot of jank stuff, ssd too

But I'm by far most suspicious of the slot

Alr

Normal

So it's working fine now?

Ok

There could be 100 answers to that without enough context

I don't sorry

I want to remind you that your pcie slot for the gpu is probably still set to 2.0 via bios. This may or may not impact gpu performance. I'd encourage at the least setting 3.0

If we search back the chat the steps will still be there but for 3.0

Instead of picking 2.0, you pick 3

Auto works too

I would try 3.0 first personally

Ye

Remember all the steps are in the chat if you search it back

We did it step by step

Nope that should be all

If it freaks out flip it to 3.0, if that freaks out go back to 2.0

Does the colour crap again

Lol

It's ok. It's harrowing when you first build but it really pays off for the vast majority

I would take the chance once this is done to review some maintenance videos like repasting, that sort of thing you want to do yearly/bi-yearly at least

Leaves you prepared to take it apart later to keep it working golden

Like a car with an annual service, pc's will appreciate the tlc as well lol

What kind

Normal

Fan stop is a modern feature

Fans will spin when they need to

Loading something up will make them spin

Like a game

I'm guessing by the silence it seems fine

Yesh they won't

My 4090 would only spin in heavy games

It's a feature of the card

Nope not yet

If you can see the screen then it's working

Well testing a game would conclude it's ok now

Yes

Go straight into a game

Or download occt and do a 3d standard gpu test

You'll see the fans spin

Occt

That's the name

Occt

I've used it 10 thousand times and it's like 20 year old software

One of the most prominent overclocking tools in the pc space

Want you to download any version, then go to "3D standard" and click start

I know, that's what this test is

You test stability when you overclock

Left hand side normally

It may say just "gpu" now

They recently had an update

Stability test

Gpu or 3d standard

3d standard

Click it

Then click start

Start

Temperatures up top

Only need 5 minutes max

Hear the fans yet

See them spin

Spin

Ok stop the test what's the temps say rn

70 is fine

We're good

Congrats it's fixed

Just an unfortunate gpu it seemed

Yep it happens

I had a faulty ssd in my second pc

And psu

One of the p-gm firebombs

Yep

Almost killed my 3080 in the pandemic

@pallid relic https://youtu.be/aACtT_rzToI?si=Y6wcR8QICdK8QUZr

https://youtu.be/7JmPUr-BeEM?si=3GA3j-CeAqHk-6rI

As long as windows is activated, try to stick to one or two rgb softwares if you need any

Openrgb is nice for free

The rest? Meh, we roll

We ball

Ima go lie down, quite unwell today lol

[mossy venture]

Feel better felix!!

[cyan ravine]

[dim forge]

https://a.co/d/gGNi8hk
would this be future proof in case of an upgrade? (13600k for e.g.)

[mossy venture]

Yes

[dim forge]

okee

ordered it

my stock cooler broke and im running 50c on idle

on a i3

[upbeat osprey]

I recently ordered a new PC from Newegg, a Yeyian Gaming Desktop (i7 14th Gen 14700F, 4070 SUPER, 32GB DDR5, Windows 11 Home 64-bit). Ever since I got it, I have noticed in some games that I play, my keyboard inputs sometimes lag or delay. For example, when panning around a map using the WASD keys, some of the times it takes .5 of a second to recognize the button press, and other times after I let go, it will continue pushing the button for .5 - 2 seconds. Certain games seem to be affected more. So far, in trying to resolve the issue, I have tried the following:
-Tried a different keyboard (tried with the one provided with the PC)
-Turning off the program keyboard and mouse (Logitech G Hub)
-Trying different USB slots
-Changing power plans for the system
-Turning off the automatic power saving on USB slots
Nothing has worked so far.
I use a Logitech G910, was using it on my old PC with no issues.

Any help would be appreciated.

[thorn mural]

Bit of a predicament here

A friend of mine just gave me some ARGB fans but my motherboard only has an RGB header

Can I use the fans somehow with a third party adapter or hub or should I give them back

[obsidian wigeon]

you can get a hub from thermalright

but imo

i'd keep the fans regardless

[potent portal]

Maybe update your drivers and bios and see if that helps. Mainly the motherboard drivers.

[potent portal]

This (argb only) https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Controller-Support-Magnetic-Supported/dp/B09CH13K2M
OR this (fans+argb) https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Controller-Support-Magnetic-Supported/dp/B09SZBJ5JZ?th=1

Plus this https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-5V-Controller-3PIN-Interface/dp/B0CL9XP5MB

A fan is still a fan even if the lights aren't on so it's still useful

[upbeat osprey]

There's a chance I may have been able to alleviate the problem. I had both G Hub and another Logitech Gamin Software installed. I uninstalled G Hub and turned off the other one. Seems to not be an issue now, but I'll keep an eye on it. I didn't think that would be the issue before, as the other keyboard I tested with wasn't logitech. If it does keep happening, I'' give what you said a try

[thorn mural]

I have the 2nd argb fan hub

But how do I get the ARGB stuff to light up if there’s nowhere to plug the ARGB cable into

Oh I see

Your last link is a standalone controller, thank you

[uneven glade]

I’ve got an issue with my backup PC. Slow to boot up, File Manager not responding, Task Manager not responding and I cannot open certain applications. I’ve tried everything I know and then some. If anyone has any advice or info please let me know

[potent portal]

Define "everything", knowing what you've tried can help figure it out

[jagged ember]

Will also save a lot of repeated checks/troubleshooting

[uneven glade]

I have tried resetting it, restarting it, some stuff in command.exe I don’t even know, I have tried optimizing and defragging the drives, adjust Ram speed, looked at temps. Idk what else to do. I’ve also had Geeksquad remote support try to help but all they could do is clean my pc up and tell me there is no virus 🦠

@jagged ember ^

[dusky hearth]

that just sounds like a hdd system lmao

[stoic island]

Was it doing that before?

If not, done chkdsk, dism, and sfc?

[uneven glade]

yes I've done all of this

[uneven glade]

That's what I thought but I don't know what to do

i don't know how to confirm that the HDD is the issue

[dusky hearth]

well

if it is a hdd

then that's basically 100% the issue

hdd systems take a while to boot up, and opening file explorer and applications also take a while to open

all you need to do in that case is to upgrade to at least a halfway decent ssd

if you do have a ssd though, i'd say clear cmos to reset your bios, and also reinstall windows so you'll have a completely fresh slate and that should theoretically fix it potentially, though if not, it probably is a slow or dying ssd or smth

considering that you've tried resetting your pc, i'd assume you would have no qualms against reinstalling windows

[ripe marten]

Just got one of the most expensive gaming PCs from 2018 for 500

The original owner modified it by swapping the dual 1080ti for a 2080ti

I has an i9 7980xe and also 128 GB RAM

[dusky hearth]

truly an oem pc moment

tfw it's 2018 and "one of the most expensive gaming pcs" doesnt even have a painted interior

that is more like 2010 kinda year of quality

[ripe marten]

The that sold it to me paid over 8,000 for it in 2018 and in 2019 he bought a 2080ti and swapped out the 1080ti

[mossy venture]

8000 is crazy

[weary galleon]

8000 for a 1080ti build in 2018 😭

you sure that wasn't 800?

[stoic island]

Maybe 1800 lol

[weary galleon]

or that yeah

[minor wing]

just updating bios if I were to get this motherboard would fine right?

[stoic island]

Yes, it's unlikely that you need to update it unless you got very old stock, but you do have bios flashback if necessary

[minor wing]

ok thanks for the clarification

[ripe marten]

It had 2x 1080ti

[ripe marten]

A 1080ti alone was probably 800 or more in 2018 before the 20 series launch

[weary galleon]

msrp was 700 usd

I guess an aib card coulda been higher

[ripe marten]

Ok, I wasn’t really into PCs back the so I didn’t know but I would imagine some brands would charge more than the 700 founders edition MSRP?

[stoic island]

1080ti launch was around the first mining boom so it could've been quite a bit higher

[weary galleon]

but still, $1600 of gpu's leaves over 6k of everything else

[ripe marten]

What is an aib card?

[ripe marten]

The CPU used to be like 1k or maybe higher back then but yeah still huge ripoff

[weary galleon]

gpu made/sold by 3rd party, though aib might not be the technically correct term

[stoic island]

The other brands like MSI or Asus are Add-In-Board partners of Nvidia, they make separate board designs, hence AIB

[uneven glade]

Correct

[ripe marten]

PCs were expensive especially from early 2017 to early 2018

[stoic island]

Forgot the exact timeline but GPU prices shot up when bitcoin mining became popular around 1080ti launch

[dusky hearth]

Yeah it's a hdd
If you want to speed it up, buy a SSD, check if you have a m.2 uhhh m key slot

If not, get a sata ssd

[mossy venture]

At no point in time was any geforce card and an i9 build worth $8000

I could see at the very very most 4k

[ripe marten]

It was a dual 1080ti build so would make more sense for it to be 5k (prebuilt MSRP) back then

I did see a liquid cooled dual 1080ti build during summer 2018 just before the rtx 2000 series launch going for 5k something

But yeah you could probably build it yourself for under 5k back then

[uneven glade]

But this could be slowing down my whole pc?

[dusky hearth]

Absolutely

a hdd is basically the #1 reason why PC's are slow, many old PC's can have significant improvement from switching to a ssd

[mossy venture]

100%

[dusky hearth]

HDDs aren't anywhere close to how good SSDs are at random iops

[mossy venture]

It's like night and day

Yknow how whenever you turn your pc on it takes like 3-20 minutes before you can actually do anything?

Or when you open something it takes 30 seconds to 10 minutes?

An ssd would reduce that to 10-20 seconds on the high end

[dusky hearth]

Also the slow performance is exacerbated by a lower system ram amount, and your system has to use swap memory which is stored on your drive

[uneven glade]

Is this a factor even if Windows isn’t installed on that HDD

[dusky hearth]

oh

i was asking about the boot drive

i didnt look at the image closely enough, just at the drive you highlighted

so you do have a ssd for your c drive, nvm

then in that case, try clearing cmos to reset all your bios settings to default, as well as reinstall windows

[uneven glade]

How do I reinstall windows? I tried to "reset this pc" like i said before and it went through it then said "undoing changes" after a couple hours.

[dusky hearth]

you get a usb stick (or cd if you still burn cds nowadays lmao) and make a windows installation media on it, and then use that installer to install windows onto the pc

usually it's easier to disconnect all irrelevant drives so you only have one drive to select to install to

[uneven glade]

Okay thank you

[potent portal]

*DL-DVD
It's been a minute since it fit on even a regular DVD, let alone a CD lol

[jagged ember]

Yeah unfortunately windows reset is basically the equivalent of doing nothing lol

[potent portal]

What it does technically is rebuild the C:/Windows folder and rename the old one to back it up.

Assuming you selected "keep files"

[uneven glade]

Yes

[jagged ember]

Thanks, windows

[glacial spire]

Hey guys, which SSD m2 nvme you suggest for gaming? based on performance per money

I'm looking for a single 2tb to use as both primary and storage SSD.

[mossy venture]

It mostly depends on what's available in your country

[cyan ravine]

Ye, otherwise it's going to be the go to's, MP33 or P34A60

[plucky timber]

Inb4 2TB nvme in his country costs as much as a 4TB in the US

[brittle spindle]

anyone have a clean 1500 pc build?

[dreamy obsidian]

could anyone give me some feedback on this list? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xLh2yg
friend wanna upgrade since his old am4 setup because its not giving enough frames for his 4070, from what i know, he already has an aio he could use. hes also kinda iffy on the motherboard since he only wants ASUS and idk if a atx motherboard fits inside his case but i know a 4070 can (he has some random pre built case) (also wants all of it on amazon and prolly want the budget around 800 or less)

[weary galleon]

if he already has an am4 build he could consider a 5600x3d or 5700x3d

[dreamy obsidian]

oh yea

[weary galleon]

5700x3d is 200 at newegg or 190 in-store at micro center

If he wants to move to am5 you might think about waiting till the next batch of am5 cpus are released

[dreamy obsidian]

already asked him that he DONT wanan wait that month 😭

hes running b450m-a with like a ryzen 7 3800 would he also need a new motherboard or nah

[weary galleon]

I believe with a bios update the b450 should support 5000 series chips

I'd refer to the motherboard info page on the manufacturers site

also does he have a 1080p monitor? if so I'd reccomend an upgrade to 1440p

[dreamy obsidian]

hes planning on doing that as well

[weary galleon]

do that first, before any cpu upgrades

wait for 9xxx chips to release in a couple months, then decide about cpu upgrade

[dreamy obsidian]

idk if he wants to wait for the 9000 chips, already tried asking him

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FcCMkJ

For cheaper just swap cpu to 7600 and either use stock cooler or a ~$20 tower cooler, and can swap gpu to 7900 gre or 4070 super

[mossy venture]

I'd just do 7600 honestly

[mossy venture]

What's the budget to upgrade?

[weary galleon]

if they're on a 1080p monitor i'd go 1440 and then wait for new chips

[mossy venture]

And does he already own the 4070?

[dreamy obsidian]

around 800-900 aftrt tax

[dreamy obsidian]

yes

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZZLbMV

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RktLrH/msi-g272qpf-e2-270-2560-x-1440-180-hz-monitor-g272qpf-e2

[dreamy obsidian]

is there any matx options? he doesnt wanna swap cases either cus he doesnt wanna rewire everything

[mossy venture]

?

Hes going to have to

Swapping mobo and likely psu

Unless he already owns that rm850x

[dreamy obsidian]

hes running like a 650w

[mossy venture]

Model?

[cyan ravine]

Maybe rain check on this monitor for the next couple days. Our first feedback came through with bad backlight bleed

[mossy venture]

And what case too

[mossy venture]

Really? That's unfortunate

[cyan ravine]

Yeah

We wait and see, it might just be a fault

[dreamy obsidian]

he tells me he doesnt know what the case is or the psu 🤷 its a prebuilt

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gMpVpB

[mossy venture]

Hell the case might not be compatible with other mobos

What brand is the pre built

[dreamy obsidian]

cyberpower

[mossy venture]

Don't believe they use oem cases

Does it have a mesh front?

[dreamy obsidian]

i dont believe so

[cyan ravine]

Kinda hard to recommend even something mid range without a mesh front case these days

No offense to the case involved but, the older cases were not very heat friendly

[dreamy obsidian]

hes just lazy 😭

but ill ask him again

[cyan ravine]

Could do something low power

Like 7600+4060 maybe

[weary galleon]

already has a 4070

[dreamy obsidian]

hes running a 4070 with a ryzen 7 3000 series

😭

[cyan ravine]

Hot boi 4070

[dreamy obsidian]

@mossy venture he said he alright with swapping now ig, do you still have that list or something similar?

[mossy venture]

I linked two above.

Matx and atx

[dreamy obsidian]

alright thanks you

[median inlet]

Hey everyone, l was wondering if l could get some help on choosing the cheapest MacBook possible with 16gb worth of ram.

[cyan ravine]

M1 macbook air >>>>>

All others are irrelevant

The air is solid

[dusky hearth]

Usage: web browsing/text editing
Max budget: 1k usd?
Windows laptops may be fine? Build quality is a bit more desirable

[cyan ravine]

(it's actually air but)

[dusky hearth]

Lmao

[cyan ravine]

Sorry go on

[dusky hearth]

Butt

[cyan ravine]

I leave you in capable hands

[dusky hearth]

I brought them here

[cyan ravine]

Oh

[dusky hearth]

Lmfao

[cyan ravine]

Uhm

https://tenor.com/view/leslie-nielsen-good-luck-pressure-were-all-counting-on-you-gif-11218612

[dusky hearth]

💀

[cyan ravine]

@median inlet used M1 Macbook air imo

8 and 16gb ram don't scale the same way as it's arm based architecture and MacOS

[dusky hearth]

I told them to get 16gb just to be safe lmfao

[cyan ravine]

It helps but it's not breaking like it is on normal windows

Yeah it's helpful but like

16gb has a bigger influence on windows

Consider macos more akin to linux

[dusky hearth]

Tbf the macs that killed themselves from 8gb ram probably were people trying to video edit on them rather than web browsing

[cyan ravine]

Yes

You got it, for non-conventional, we go pro

[median inlet]

Right, so just go with the 16gb then. Do you think getting one that’s used will have any effect on the longevity of the laptop? Where would you recommend getting one?

[dusky hearth]

Considering that the m1 came out like.... 3 years ago? It probably still is fine

[cyan ravine]

M1 is still good

M2 and M3 are better but M1 is still solid

It's like a 7735HS

Except it works well with even just 8gb ram

You could honestly find a used one off fbmp for a few hundred and break well under budget for your needs here

If you want to do more than just basic apple things, you could talk a gaming laptop for under 1k

That would change the criteria

[median inlet]

I don’t think l necessarily need a gaming laptop. If there’s anytime l want to game, it’s either on my Nintendo Switch or PS5.

[cyan ravine]

Well if you're that sure then yeah, used M1

You'll hedge little loss and still get a current day capable piece of hardware

[median inlet]

How much would an M1 cost if l didn’t get it refurbished?

[mossy venture]

Around 600-650 gets open box/refurbished 4050 laptop

[dusky hearth]

Idk if you can still buy m1 macs new

Apple most likely already has stopped production, and I'd assume all stock has been cleared outside of RMA units

[cyan ravine]

Even new M1 still isn't horrible tbh

Like ofc, don't hyper fixate and the same price m1 vs m2

Would be insane

[median inlet]

I do see there are some available on Amazon.

[cyan ravine]

But m1 was good when it dropped and we never really improved far from it

[dusky hearth]

Damn they still have new units

[cyan ravine]

I'd still go used

Instead of 700 usd, pay 400 or 500 usd

[median inlet]

There are some on Newegg too.

[dusky hearth]

If you get refurb, usually that will include a warranty still

[median inlet]

Amazon.com: Apple 2023 15" MacBook Air M2, 16GB RAM, 256GB Storage - Space Gray (Z18L000PN) : Electronics

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-2023-MacBook-256GB-Storage/dp/B0C8WT6FQ1/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?crid=WZBF6BFDZ0FS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.RHfRxFmaJb0_0Uqmuljs82PaWGD6i4_z8nj4yRnk1uliYpFHGYYpJr1LL0DdcjFANijvr5od0EmvSIB57NPV8vrLiGbKosQORcEM7yM0eJRLEr0x0UpHzjwNhYAai9X-AtBM_oLL5KsfzqU_a96aCi8pfggy3PTn0O4Uog0cjryzugQUH7V4JuQ8mM9qrjV1JQAjPAfU6jBTdJk_RDoTVA.xcwCsd-mpusGMWkhWEXgcD_HcPYRKVgh6mX_1nnujic&dib_tag=se&keywords=macbook+air+16gb&qid=1718392207&sprefix=macbook+air+16gb%2Caps%2C99&sr=8-10

How would this compare to the M1?

[dusky hearth]

I thought your budget was 1k

[median inlet]

It was, but l may have a little extra to spend, and wasn’t sure if that would be better than the m1.

[dusky hearth]

for your use, not really

[median inlet]

Right, l figured since l don’t need much in a laptop, but still wanted a MacBook.

Do you know which one l should select if l bought one from Amazon?

[dusky hearth]

Idk, do you want to spend less or spend more?

[median inlet]

It might depend what it would be for.

[median inlet]

I just didn’t know what website to get one from.

[dreamy obsidian]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZCqFs is the cooler fine for the cpu?

[mossy venture]

Yeah, the 7800x3d can be cooled by basically anything

[dreamy obsidian]

the list is fine right? just swapper the case to something else

[mossy venture]

Yes

[dreamy obsidian]

ram is out of stock this set works the same right? https://a.co/d/0uvcUjX

[mossy venture]

Yes

[worldly charm]

hey im new to building i was wondering if this was fine
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hrZjFs

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d2hdRK

[dreamy obsidian]

is the h7 elite just a meh case?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Oh wait elite

Flow is meh

Elite is bleh

[dreamy obsidian]

my friend want his pc asap so he's basically buying everything at Best Buy so about the ram, is there a difference between like a cl30 6000mhz vs cl36 6000 mhz? I kinda forgot all about this stuff

for ddr5

[hearty oracle]

anyone have a good recommendation for in desk outlet mounts? all the ones iv seen have comments of jankyness XD trying to avoid a fire if possible

[mossy venture]

bad

[cyan ravine]

Huge difference, cl30 better. Not because of the speed but because what's used to make the different speeds is different itself

And no, buying asap doesn't warrant a h7 elite from me

Nzxt elite is just yuck

[dreamy obsidian]

idk dudes just really impatient

[cyan ravine]

If there's an elite there's a 4000D

And 4000D always wins there

[dreamy obsidian]

can that even fit a 4070

[cyan ravine]

Ofc it can

[mossy venture]

easily

it can fit most 4090s

[cyan ravine]

It can fit 4090's wym

Yeah it's easily better lol

[dreamy obsidian]

im stupid

lol

alright

[mossy venture]

buying everything at bb is a horrible idea lol

they have mid psus above good psu prices, overpriced gpus with poor in store selection (at least the one i worked at,) poor selection of overpriced mobos

also only corsair ram

which is almost the only brand i would avoid with ram

[cyan ravine]

Oh god only corsair ram?

[mossy venture]

best buy is so outdated and horribly structured

the ceo is running it into the ground

most store are vastly understaffed but they wont hire anyone bc of how bad profits are

and how hard they push their credit cards and the underhanded tactics they use

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[dreamy obsidian]

i cant convicne this guy

hes willing tio spend

lile

40$ on fans

😭

[obsidian wigeon]

more money than sense

[mossy venture]

literally just use the fans the case comes with

and order a pack and wait 2 days

it will be fine until then

[dreamy obsidian]

uh

[dreamy obsidian]

my friend

he

does NOT

want

to wait

for that

he wont listne

so

ill let him do it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J4dfbL

[mossy venture]

youre friend

rspectfully

[dreamy obsidian]

this is the final lisrt

😭

[mossy venture]

is unintelligent

[dreamy obsidian]

tryed telling him that

[jagged ember]

A fan is a fan bro

100 dollar fan is still a fan

But I guess that's way over his head

[slow valve]

Which would be better https://www.microcenter.com/product/676227/powerspec-g518-gaming-pc

https://www.microcenter.com/product/667350/powerspec-g716-gaming-pc

[coarse python]

The one down below

[calm dove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3DPcpB

Shoud i change the case ?

[obsidian wigeon]

cheap

no need to change

[calm dove]

i have some options

Like the MSI m100a for 50$ but cant Turn off the rgb and control the speed

And i will put a dual fan 4060 ti in the future in it

No problem ?

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

not a problem

all low power parts lol

[calm dove]

Nice thanks

[calm dove]

Can i save some money on the cooler i will get wraith stealth for free ?

No problem if its working 100 % CPU usage ?

I dont want to be too loud

[obsidian wigeon]

it'll be audible

so i'd suggest a cooler

[obtuse laurel]

@mossy venture

[mossy venture]

yes?

[obtuse laurel]

i’m @dreamy obsidian friend

the impatient one

lowk this my first real build and was wondering if u able to help

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TJWwsh

[hasty cove]

can anyone help me wit some suggestions rq

or later

going to microcenter and i need help picking out something i can upgrade my computer with

[obtuse laurel]

i plan on buying c30 ram, i just bought the vengeance because best buy didn’t have and i need my pc asap

[mossy venture]

i did help

you decided not to listen

[hasty cove]

got the phanteks eclipse g360 A, ASrock radeon rx 6700 xt challenger d , super flower legion gx gold pro 650W Psu, thermalright assasin x120 , teamgroup mp33 1tb slc, amd ryzen 5 5600g and full silicon power value gaming ddr4 ram 8gbg sticks

and an MIS B550M pro vdh wifi mobo

any part reccomendations ?

[obtuse laurel]

lol i got basically everything u said except psu and ram

[mossy venture]

did you already order all this?

[hasty cove]

nah this was from my first build

like 2 years ago

[mossy venture]

ah alright

[hasty cove]

so technically yes

[mossy venture]

and what do you want to spend to uphrade

[hasty cove]

not totally sure

maybe ram?

or perhaps some extra fans in the case

[mossy venture]

i mean money

how much do you want to spend

[hasty cove]

lets say around 200$

ik thats prolly not much tbh

[mossy venture]

i mean i guess add a second kit of the same ram

[hasty cove]

i do have those already

[mossy venture]

or grab a 32gb kit and sell that one

what monitor do you have?

[hasty cove]

i could probably fanagle the budget but im just looking for some spec upgrade reccomendations

lemme see

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8jhDfy

could do that

[hasty cove]

its a samsung like 27 inches i think

im happy with the monitor tho

alr have two

one better one one older one

got any reccomendations for case fans, theres the built in three in the front and thats it

alr wel thanks for the reccomendation

Oh yeah one last thing, is a windows activation key even worth it

[mossy venture]

Do you know the resolution?

[mossy venture]

No

[hasty cove]

No clue, Twas a gift

[thorn mural]

This airflow setup is good right (blue = intake, red = exhaust)

[stoic island]

Yea

[mossy venture]

You can check in display settings

[hasty cove]

1920 x 1080

heres the second monitor if you care

[crimson zinc]

I’d suggest getting a better monitor

[tawny violet]

Yeah it's
Not the greatest ever

[hasty cove]

lmao

im happy with my big one

the old one is just one i use for discord or youtube

[obtuse laurel]

is there anyone who’s able to vc and be a mentor? i just got all the parts for my first actual build and i need some assistance

u don’t have to speak

[hasty cove]

i could do my best

[obtuse laurel]

you sound unsure

[hasty cove]

well i know what parts go where

just never video called someone elses pc into life before

[obtuse laurel]

do you know what cords go where?

[hasty cove]

syea

[obtuse laurel]

kk

[hasty cove]

those are labeled

[obtuse laurel]

oh are they?

didn’t know that

[hasty cove]

they should be

[obtuse laurel]

u got any ideas on managing the cables?

want it to look neat

[hasty cove]

then i am not the fella for that 💀

[obtuse laurel]

lmaooo

[hasty cove]

my cabes are messier than my room

[mossy venture]

I would highly suggest an upgrade

[hasty cove]

what do you suggest

[mossy venture]

With a pc like yours it's like using a hybrid camry on a golf course

[obtuse laurel]

@mossy venture please king

[hasty cove]

😆

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JPrYcf/gigabyte-g27q-270-2560x1440-144-hz-monitor-g27q

[hasty cove]

so its alright bur just not the right place

[mossy venture]

I mean

Yeah?

You'll see more of a difference upgrading your monitor than anything else

I played OW on my laptop for the first time recently and it defaulted to 60hz

[obtuse laurel]

true

[mossy venture]

I genuinely thought my game was running at 20 fps

[hasty cove]

k k

[mossy venture]

60hz just looks so much worse once you know what high refresh looks like

[hasty cove]

see i never had a high refresh

[mossy venture]

YouTube tutorial will help you more than I can

[hasty cove]

might be addictive lol

[obtuse laurel]

if u upgrade ur monitor ur games are gonna feel so much faster

[mossy venture]

I went from 1080p 144hz to 1440p 144hz

Even that was a huge difference

[hasty cove]

yea i can help with a youtube tut in tandem

[tawny violet]

Honestly even 75hz is already an improvement

[hasty cove]

alr so either a new cpu + cooler or a monitor is what ill prolly go with

[obsidian wigeon]

100hz monitors are cheap enough also

[hasty cove]

should i get a new monitor do i keep the old crappy one

[tawny violet]

But I was really scraping the bottom of the barrel with my current rig

[hasty cove]

and go three monitors

[obtuse laurel]

invest in 540hz

trust

[obsidian wigeon]

oled 240hz is better

[tawny violet]

🧢

[obsidian wigeon]

without dying in tn

[hasty cove]

dami show us that rig

[obtuse laurel]

parts?

[hasty cove]

yea sure

[obsidian wigeon]

like outta the bat, oled wins in contrast, viewing angle and colors

[hasty cove]

lol

[obtuse laurel]

i got no pic perms

unfortunately

[hasty cove]

ah

[obsidian wigeon]

also unmatched response times

[hasty cove]

alr well vc me ig

[obtuse laurel]

yeah for sure when i’m home

[obsidian wigeon]

as well as less motion blur

[obtuse laurel]

be like 10-15 mins

[obsidian wigeon]

so oled 240hz is as good, if not better than 540hz tn

[hasty cove]

im leavin soon 💀

i can help when i get back home tho around 8:30 (est)

[obtuse laurel]

alr i most likely wont be finished

then

[calm dove]

This IS the final build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3mgNCd

[tawny violet]

Hol'up MSI makes cases???

[calm dove]

What do you think about thé Mobo ?

[calm dove]

Yes and they re cheap

[tawny violet]

Because it's crap lmfao

Glass front
Cringe

[hasty cove]

gl for now ill be back later

[calm dove]

Im buying MSI mag 120a airflow

Check it and

Tell me what do you think

[obsidian wigeon]

the forge 320r has mesh

at least 80% mesh

good enuff

[calm dove]

https://www.msi.com/PC-Case/MAG-FORGE-120A-AIRFLOW

Im getting this didnt found it in pcpartpicker

[obsidian wigeon]

similar case

[calm dove]

Front mesh got 6 fans

[tawny violet]

Expensive tho

[obsidian wigeon]

but smaller i guess

[calm dove]

Only problem Cant play with rgb

[tawny violet]

It's honestly overpriced

[calm dove]

Had auto rgb

[calm dove]

70$ for me

Can i control speed fan in this case ?

[calm dove]

Yep a little bit

[tawny violet]

I don't think so

[obsidian wigeon]

70 for that?

[tawny violet]

6 fans sure
But there's no mention of any controlling

[obsidian wigeon]

you can surely get a fractal pop

or something of that sort

[tawny violet]

Or a Montech Air 1000
Or Air X

[calm dove]

Africa

[tawny violet]

Montech is really meta lately

[obsidian wigeon]

o africa

that changes things

[calm dove]

I know

[obsidian wigeon]

now i understand the case choices

[calm dove]

Just tell me about the mobo

Good or bad

[obtuse laurel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TJWwsh

[obsidian wigeon]

nothin bad with it

it's low power cpu

[crimson zinc]

@hasty cove I’d sell the old monitor
Get like $30-40 out of it

[obtuse laurel]

good?

[obsidian wigeon]

board should be able to handle it

[tawny violet]

I'm gonna say they're Molex fans

[hasty cove]

🤣🤣

[calm dove]

Thank you

[crimson zinc]

I would’ve suggested against that CPU cooler

[tawny violet]

Non-controllable RBG
And 6 fans

Does not bode well for quality

[obsidian wigeon]

but buying that case

[calm dove]

Where did you sée it ?

[obsidian wigeon]

id probably swap fans asap

[hasty cove]

I got it off an older refurbed 200 computer

Prolly not even worth that

[calm dove]

I Can turn off the rgb i hate it

[tawny violet]

It's that I'm not seeing any claims of 3 or 4 pin connectors
Not any claims of ARGB

[calm dove]

But if i cant change the speed fans

[crimson zinc]

Donate it to goodwill or the area equivalent
Anyone’s in need of one nowadays

[tawny violet]

So expect them to be crappy Molex fans

[calm dove]

Thats a problem

[hasty cove]

Maybe yeah

[calm dove]

Or i will add 20 $ and get a 3000d for 90$

Another option for me hère in my region

[crimson zinc]

I’ve heard some stories of people getting entire rigs from goodwill

[tawny violet]

I don't have any experience with the 3000d

[calm dove]

Ok

[tawny violet]

Can you get any Montech cases?

[calm dove]

Nope

[tawny violet]

Air 1000 would be ideal, Air X also good

[calm dove]

There are some good cases

Between 100-120$

But out of the budget

[tawny violet]

I'm assuming you only have one specific shop to buy from?

[obsidian wigeon]

3000d is

felix didn't say it was bad

[tawny violet]

But does it have fans tho

[obsidian wigeon]

it does

2 fans

one in front, one in back

good enough™

besides you get a much better quality product

[tawny violet]

Put both on intake, get more later would be my rec

Yeah 3000d is more worth it

It's probably fine enough

Scoring a used 4000d would be even better since those are known quality

@calm dove any chance to buy used?

Might save some money for you

[obsidian wigeon]

3000d is just a smaller 4000d

yes, even smaller

[tawny violet]

I mean yeah fair enough

Would you consider the 3000d sff?

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

still atx mid tower

that's 2000d's job

yes, it exists

m-itx tower

[tawny violet]

I see

@obsidian wigeon is there any universal metric for what counts as SFF?

Does it have to have an ITX mobo

[obsidian wigeon]

Not really

[mossy venture]

Yes

[tawny violet]

Or just below a certain internal volume

[obsidian wigeon]

It can be an matx case but

[mossy venture]

Itx cases must fit itx mobos

[obsidian wigeon]

Require sfx

sfx psus

[tawny violet]

I was asking about a PC being SFF lel

[mossy venture]

Yeah there's an o11 variant that fits ATX cases but needs sfx psus iirc

[obsidian wigeon]

SFF can be matx

or even atx

[mossy venture]

Ah

[tawny violet]

D41?

[mossy venture]

Im01 is smaller than a lot of itx cases and is matx, if that helps

[obsidian wigeon]

it just has to be smaller than mid tower

[tawny violet]

ATX mobo, ATX PSU, still small case

[obsidian wigeon]

then it qualifies as sff

no one would make a mid tower case with sfx psu anyway

that'd be weird

and not gonna bring any sales

[tawny violet]

In my mind when I think SFF

It's either something like an NR200P
Or some weird AF open concept PC with a handle

[obsidian wigeon]

sff is a loose term

with no set standards

[tawny violet]

Ye fair enough

NR200P is just the sort of size that I'd think of as SFF I'd do myself

Still fits top hardware, and it's pretty small

The ultimate flex is stuffing a 7800X3D and a 4090 into a shoebox after all

[calm dove]

Why ?

[tawny violet]

Lower prices allowing you to get something quality

[calm dove]

There IS a similar pc for 200$ used

I7 7700/32ram/512 gb

But no i want something new

For longevity

No fails

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

kaby lake would be suicide imo

to buy into for gaming pc

slow ram that's not even usable on am5

am4*

4600g is anything but fast, but

[calm dove]

And have a 250w psu 💀

[obsidian wigeon]

it's around 3600

iirc

[calm dove]

I know

[obsidian wigeon]

so still reasonable

[mossy venture]

For gaming worse

[calm dove]

And i Il buy a 5060 later

[mossy venture]

I'd do 5700x3d for an upgrade

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

[calm dove]

Im not using this pc for gaming

[obsidian wigeon]

but on am4 at least x3d is doable

[mossy venture]

Wait 5060 gpu or 5600 cpu

[calm dove]

Rtx 5060

Same perf 4060 ti

[mossy venture]

If its anything like the disappointment that is the 4060 I wouldnt

[calm dove]

If its 4060 ti perf that good for me

[weary galleon]

Might as well get a 6750xt then lol

[calm dove]

Just i want it to be 350$ max

[mossy venture]

If its 4060 ti perf over $250 that's sad

[mossy venture]

Considering 3060 ti was $400 and launched Dec 2020, and matches the 4060 ti

[calm dove]

4060 cost now 300

[weary galleon]

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6750-xt-rx-675xyjfde/p/N82E16814150887?

[calm dove]

Using for blender

Not gaming

[weary galleon]

Ah

Used 30 series then

4060/ti are just really terrible

[calm dove]

Expensive where i live

[calm dove]

I know

[weary galleon]

Like, a used 3060 is more expensive than a 4060?

[calm dove]

Nobut they are the same price

[weary galleon]

The extra vram on the 3060 might be worth it for blender, not sure tho

[mossy venture]

That's not the 4060 ti

The 4060 is far worse than the 3060 ti

30%

At times it loses to the 3060 lol

4060 and 4060 ti are immensely disappointing

[calm dove]

I am comparing rtx 4060 and rtx 5060 prices

If 5060 IS 350 $

Its good imo

[calm dove]

Yeah i agree with you

[mossy venture]

How...?

It completely depends on performance

[calm dove]

Yeah but it will 100% better than 3060/4060

But who knows maybe i am wrong

[stoic island]

we thought 4060 was going to be substantially better than 3060 at some point

[mossy venture]

I really don't trust nvidia atp.

[stoic island]

so who knows

[mossy venture]

They'll do whatever they feel like doing, and people will buy it

[stoic island]

They got all the money they need from AI

[mossy venture]

Don't get me wrong, amd isn't our friend either

But 40 series has been so anti consumer it's funny

[calm dove]

Yeah

[mossy venture]

4080 super and 4070 super finally fixed that

[calm dove]

WE need a New 1080 ti

[mossy venture]

"Fixed"

[calm dove]

4070 super IS a good deal

[stoic island]

more like they milked a higher price until they couldn't sell any more and then sold it at the price they should've been selling it

[calm dove]

My Friend bought one for 600$

[mossy venture]

I'd still rather a 7900 gre, but 4070 super is good competition

If the 7900 gre didn't have more vram I'd take the 4070 super

[calm dove]

He IS using it also in blender /premier pro...

[mossy venture]

That's fair

I was mainly talking from my own standpoint

Like if I was buying it for my own pc

[calm dove]

Yep

Thanks for the help

i will take a pic of the build later

👍

[obtuse laurel]

@mossy venture

or anyone else

can someone tell me if my radiator is on intake or exhaust rn

[stoic island]

The radiator fans?

[brittle spindle]

thanks man

[brittle spindle]

btw does the motherboard have enough headers for all the fans?

[obtuse laurel]

anybody able to help me sort out what cables go into which part of my motherboard ?

[crimson zinc]

Check the manual for the power supply and motherboard.

If you didn’t get one, look up the model online.

[obtuse laurel]

hey

can someone help my mobo won’t fit in my case for some reason?

[mossy venture]

What mobo and case

[limber oyster]

Deepcool was just sanctioned by the US

[obtuse laurel]

b650 eagle ax

and

4000d airflow

the standoffs aren’t lining up with the mobo holes

they’re offset by a little

[dusky hearth]

did you put your motherboard in all the way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589689072692494356/1214249895427448915/motherboard_install.png?ex=666f1456&is=666dc2d6&hm=8209faa5cd04dbe5a5ebe81229ef313534fede817da0bf6b5b4c8c732a550582&

[dusky hearth]

wdym by offset by a little?

like, a few mm? or a couple centimeters?