building-and-recc-chat

[potent portal]

If you were determined you could get it even cheaper going for last gen used parts

The only thing I don't suggest getting used is the motherboard, except AM4 those are fine. No pins to break on that.

[sand trout]

Do i find parts for that budget în Europe?

[potent portal]

Ah, for most of europe that would translate to about 25% more cost going from dollars to euros and factoring in availability

So more like 800 euros for a solid entry level system

[sand trout]

So where should i get the parts from

What websites

[potent portal]

Select your country on the top right https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

And it'll show you the best prices from various sites that deliver to your country

[sand trout]

Oh ok

Thanks

[potent portal]

We can help pick out parts too if you like

[crimson zinc]

@sand trout do you have a particular budget in mind/what you’d be saving up for it?

[sand trout]

1k euro

[sand trout]

Sure

[potent portal]

If you're looking for all new parts, all that's left we need to know is which country then

[crimson zinc]

@sand trout

[sand trout]

Romania

[crimson zinc]

@potent portal

[sand trout]

Basically 5000 ron

[obsidian wigeon]

btw that source isn't very accurate

that's a site for exchanging money

including fees

[potent portal]

Google says basically the same conversion

[crimson zinc]

^

[obsidian wigeon]

fair enough

[potent portal]

How's this look https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/list/3WqKDZ

Slightly over 5000 but very worth it I think

That gets you in the midrange

@sand trout

[sand trout]

If i get this build i would need to update the bios?

Warning: The MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard supports the AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor with BIOS version 7B86vHE. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, updating the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.

[potent portal]

Possibly yes, but I made sure to pick a board that has bios flashback so it's easy to do

[sand trout]

Whats bios flashback

[potent portal]

All you need to update the motherboard is the power supply and a usb drive

[sand trout]

U can return to previous bios?

[potent portal]

It's a bios programmer integrated into the motherboard. It allows you to update/downgrade bios versions without needing a CPU installed, and it's very handy for cases like this where the CPU might not work immediately to get into bios and update that way

[sand trout]

Oh

And also what you mean by update Power supply

[potent portal]

That's one of the things you need to update the motherboard

Not updating the power supply

I can see how that would be confusing, sorry

I changed the syntax so it should be more clear now

[sand trout]

Oh ok

So would i need anything else besides the parts listed above?

[potent portal]

Just a mouse and keyboard

[sand trout]

I have those

[potent portal]

Unless you need wifi, this motherboard doesn't come with it

The CPU includes a cooler that is good enough for any kind of gaming

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/motherboards/asus-creates-motherboard-specifically-for-overclocking-chinese-cpus-boosts-homegrown-kx-7000-clocks-by-25

oop wrong channel

but still not bad

[sand trout]

Nah im good

[obsidian wigeon]

7700k perf apparently from this chinese cpu

single core loses to i5 7500

[potent portal]

Wow that means it only took overclocking for China to catch up to this decade's midrange processors

They're only 8 years behind now

[obsidian wigeon]

china is catching up

and it's faster than anticipated

at least to me

[potent portal]

Look at all those pins though

[obsidian wigeon]

huawei has an soc that seems to perform like sd 888

soc from 2021

[sand trout]

Thanks for helping me with my build

[potent portal]

Happy to help

[obsidian wigeon]

I can see this replacing office pc's in china soon enough I guess?

Or not now, but within years to come

[potent portal]

85W at stock multi core

Yeah that's only a little above what I'd expect from an office pc

[obsidian wigeon]

8 cores to match 4

but eh

still an achievement

i just enjoy seeing a possible future of non-american company making a good cpu

[potent portal]

I wonder how that compares to the 12100

[obsidian wigeon]

probably a loss

[potent portal]

12100 gets 3356 in cpu-z multi

At least they managed to beat the dual core pentium

Which isn't much of an achievement when it's compared to the 4590

[obsidian wigeon]

seeing as asus is already keen of making a mobo for it

i see a bright future

[potent portal]

I see A future at least

[obsidian wigeon]

well as bright as a light on a night stand

which isn't very much

[potent portal]

China will keep pushing for local stuff so they're going to keep getting money as long as they keep improving

[obsidian wigeon]

chinese products have basically influenced my life by now

some clothes i ordered were from china

all the little gadgets

[potent portal]

"Made in China" is different from "designed in China" but yes, they really want to cut their dependence on foreign countries while spreading their influence more

[obsidian wigeon]

ya im aware as much

im already feeling that myself considering the relaxed taxes lmao

im basically shopping chinese stuff within my country's e commerce platforms

all i pay is platform fee and shipping

[lean anchor]

Been on a Zephyrus g15 is this good?

XD

My temps were constantly in the 90's on that

[obsidian wigeon]

lol it's pretty good

[lean anchor]

LOL, well I've been sitting here for hours reinstalling a bunch of things, only to realize that I needed to restart after installing the network adapter things to get full speeds -_- Almost done with the games, now for all my developing suites.

I just wish I could change the GPU RGB from blue to white, everything else is white, but the software has the rgb section greyed out

Any ideas?

[obsidian wigeon]

I'd try open rgb

[lean anchor]

Well I just tried to run it and it said that it's missing some .dll files

nvm got it working

Card doesn't show though

[obsidian wigeon]

Maybe you haven't installed gpu drivers

[lean anchor]

Nah I did, I installed the ones from Zotac, but they had nothing for the 40 series the only thing they had listed was 30 series, I'll check again

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeeeah

That's where the problem probably is

Get drivers from nvidia

Not the gpu vendor

[lean anchor]

Did that too

[obsidian wigeon]

Weird

Wait

Where did you connect your monitor to?

[lean anchor]

The DP for the main and for the secondary I did the HDMI

[obsidian wigeon]

Well

Are those cables hooked to the back of the mobo?

You're supposed to hook em to the gpu

[lean anchor]

No, the only connections it had were from the power cables no RGB connections at all

So the only connection it makes other than from the pcie slot is to the power supply

Fixed, I just downloaded Firestorm

It was a whole separate page

[lean anchor]

68.4c under full raytrace and ultra graphics ingame, not bad

[dusky hearth]

what's the cheapest laptop with a 4080 and i9 or whatever
they have considered remoting into a desktop but due to a spotty internet connection around, it isnt viable, so they're looking for a laptop

ideally can last an hour minimum batt

[uneven glade]

whats my best option to upgrade? I have a Ryzen 7 2700x with a 2060 12gb and my motherboard has PCIE 3.0. Am I better off to just get a new motherboard so that I can upgrade?

[dusky hearth]

gen 3 is plenty fast for home users

the question is if your games or software that you use are more cpu limited or gpu limited

that's how you know what you need to upgrade

[serene onyx]

Hey guys the pc I recently built for my brother

Has really annoying and high pitched coil whine in the psu

Is their any way to fix it

[crimson zinc]

What’s the PSU?

[serene onyx]

This one

And when the pc is on

It’s more annoying

[mossy venture]

What's your budget to upgrade

[mossy venture]

Would have to be rma

And not all brands cover coil whine under rma

[serene onyx]

Hm

[mossy venture]

I'd say more don't than do honestly

[serene onyx]

Crap

Alright

[mossy venture]

If its still within return window, there's that option

[serene onyx]

Im gonna try

Thanks

[mossy venture]

Here one sec

If you do return, this isn't much more
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295986890634

And is a solid unit

Get much better upgradality, better psu, and modular psu, for $17 extra (I think)

[serene onyx]

Thank you so much

[uneven glade]

Doesn’t matter just trying to get a rough idea

[crimson zinc]

It really depends on how much you want to upgrade.

[uneven glade]

I’m basically asking should I just get a new motherboard and slowly upgrade or build a whole new PC?

[mossy venture]

You can do an upgrade like cpu to 5600 or 5700x3d

And you could upgrade gpu to something like 6750xt, 6800, 7800xt, etc

Or you can make a new build on am5 and go for any gpu you want, if you want something better performing

5700x3d could probably handle up to a 7900xt/4070 ti super

At 1440p

And depending on your psu, you might need to replace that too

[storm arrow]

Just a quick question for this samsung monitor I got it came with the hdmi and a usb3.0. What is the 3.0 used for

[dusky hearth]

probably usb ports

maybe there is a way to control the monitor from your pc

but normally it's not strictly required at least

idk what monitor you have so idk what the specific use for it is, but it's along those lines at least

[manic cloak]

So I have a little issue

Whenever I’m playing CS2, I try swapping tabs but there’s a chance that the game will FREEZE and start lagging really hard. Then it applies for the whole system

It forces me to restart and everything would be fine which is weird, I haven’t tweaked anything so..

And this “lag” is like my whole system moving at 1 frame per second, even the cursor shows like it’s skipping frame by frame

[torn mesa]

can i use a pcie y splitter as well as another separate pcie cable to power the 6750xt ?

[potent portal]

That should be ok

[half wave]

@Newegg:ABS Master Gaming PC - Windows 10 Home - AMD Ryzen 5 5600G - Radeon RX 6600 - 16GB DDR4 3000MHz - 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD https://www.newegg.com/abs-ala271/p/N82E16883360236?Item=N82E16883360236&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-236-_-04122024

Only thing different is I put 2x16 gb pieces of RAM in.
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/67724134

I want to upgrade but not really sure what to look for, if I should jump to intel and nivida?

[crimson zinc]

Could build you something much better.

For much cheaper.

[half wave]

Would it be better to build new or to upgrade?

[crimson zinc]

Is that what you have now?

That prebuilt**

[half wave]

Yes

[crimson zinc]

How much did you pay for it?

[half wave]

Yeah prebuilt, About 1600

[crimson zinc]

That is unfortunate. What’s your budget to upgrade/build?

Actually, im just gonna use the ram you have and the nvme for a few build.

So just the budget+country.

[half wave]

2000, US I just want to have an idea of what I can save up for.

[crimson zinc]

I take it you don’t need any peripherals included?

[half wave]

No

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tnZ4VW

My take

Tho you can do a great pc for much less too

[crimson zinc]

Hold

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ng8RxH

[crimson zinc]

There

$1900

Could’ve trimmed the ram down but idk what you have so I averaged

However @half wave

Prices change constantly. So before you save these lists and keep em in your back pocket, check back with us before you buy anything, as there might be something better.

[half wave]

Awesome, thank y’all.

[mossy venture]

Ye that's decent, plus wifi is a mid mobo

I'd grab pro rs and a separate wifi card if you're not using ethernet, or eagle ax

Also def hellhound xtx over the xfx one

Hellhound better model and $850

[crimson zinc]

Thought speedster had better OC?

[mossy venture]

eh, either way $85 extra not worth it

[crimson zinc]

You’re probably right

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vvz828

Better?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKC2wg

Alternative without wifi card

[half wave]

Would there be a big difference between the 7900 XTX and say a 4070?

[crimson zinc]

Lemme show

Higher perf

[half wave]

Ah

[mossy venture]

id go 7900 gre

$540, same price as 4070

matches 4070 super and has more vram

and it ocs very well

cheapest nvidia gpu worth it new is 4070 super

4070 is only like $40 cheaper for what, 15% worse perf?

[languid nimbus]

Need to add in 4060

But that’s a cool chart

[sinful silo]

am buying a new pc for my friend and am woundring if you can see the parts too tell me if its dcent ??

MSI Pro B650M-A WiFi DDR5 AM5 Micro-ATX - Motherboard

AMD RYZEN 5 7600X

KINSGTON FURY BEAST RGB DDR5 6000MHz 32GB (2x16GB)

[obsidian wigeon]

swap that for 7600

and well ram im sure can be cheaper

assuming you're shopping in the us

[lean anchor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dnCZxr/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp064gxlwu60afdg

4x the ram for $15 more, just no RGB

But tbf for the CPU and GPU it all depends on what your budget is

[obsidian wigeon]

good price but i don't think 64 is needed for gaming at all

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae

100 less for 32

[mossy venture]

Iirc, kuwait

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

welp

[sinful silo]

7800x3d vs 7600x which one should i get the first is a am4 socket and the other is am5

[potent portal]

They're both AM5

AM4 would be the 5600X or 5800X3D

As for which of the two you said is better, the 7800X3D is better

Assuming the GPU can keep up

[crimson zinc]

Alright chat

https://item.mercari.com/gl/m91350437791?sv=0

How much is this actually worth

Guesstimate

[dusky hearth]

that is some wild jpeg artifacting

[dusky hearth]

i wouldnt pay more than...... 900?

wait

that's a glass front panel

☠️

bleh

personally i wouldnt pay more than $700 just because of the case even though technically it would be worth more and i could swap it but that's effort

also im assuming this only includes the tower?

[crimson zinc]

It does have peripherals

[dusky hearth]

oh

[dusky hearth]

then that brings it up to around 1k i guess

at most

no keeb or mouse contained in images though lmao

also 400 bucks 32gb ram

that guy got scammed ong

ddr4 as well

since it's still am4

also idk who would use a used headset, kinda nasty lmao

[stoic island]

just takes lots of isopropyl alcohol, some q tips, and a lot of time

[dusky hearth]

But time is money

That listing is terrible for buyers

It tells you almost nothing and implies that all you're getting is the tower

It also requires the buyer to look through crappy screenshots with way too much compression

[limber oyster]

Man I'm hating fiber optic wifi more and more

[dusky hearth]

????

You can't have fiber optic wifi

Wifi uses RF

Assuming you meant fiber optic internet connections, there's also not many downsides to that either

Outside of cost

And more specialized equipment

[frigid jackal]

not sure if thios is the place to ask but are there any recommendations for an ethernet cable 65+ ft for like 1000mbps?

[limber oyster]

Our service goes out with every severe storm that hits.

The road side box breaks down every single time

Thunderstorms, heavy rain, severe temp changes, etc.

This is the 5th time in 6 months

[potent portal]

This will be good to future proof with. Should do at least 2.5Gbps if not 10.
https://www.amazon.com/Cat6-Ethernet-Cable-Network-Internet/dp/B088X59846?th=1

If you're trying to save every dollar you can get cat5e for about $3 less that does 1Gbps

[frigid jackal]

my thing is max 1gbps but idk if that's recommended to stay at the minimum

[frigid jackal]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B6HT7DT2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1 I got this a while back, didn't work out

[potent portal]

That's a fake cable

[frigid jackal]

oooops 😛

should've totally done proper research ngl

idk why I didn't ask here, always the best place

[potent portal]

Cat 7 and 8 cables are extremely rigid and won't bend like you see in the picture, that's how I could tell right away

Most people don't need more than one of the variants of cat6

[frigid jackal]

you think thjis could fit under kinda a door gap

going with the scuffed setup where it goes along the walls of my house

[potent portal]

Carpet?

[frigid jackal]

tile

I have a room in the basement so it isnt really in the way anyway

[potent portal]

If you have at least a half inch clearance you'll be good

[frigid jackal]

I guess it'd make sense to just measure the gap under my door

😪

[potent portal]

Probably ok with a quarter inch tbh

Jeez this isn't even close to how it's supposed to look. I have no idea what this cable even is.

[manic cloak]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08R5JZRWQ/ref=pav_fromAsin_B07WMMD6DD_toAsin_B08R5JZRWQ?th=1 any good?

[potent portal]

The eero routers are ok

[lean anchor]

It was more to show that you can get better deals. 4x the amount for 15 more.

[obsidian wigeon]

you mean 2x?

[frigid jackal]

copped

thank you

I love you

[lean anchor]

Ah yes, I read the part in the parentheses. My apologies on that. Either way there are better deals out there, and in most cases you are just paying for name and or RGB.

[dusky hearth]

☠️ the american wire

Red white and blue

Or the Netherlands

[dusky hearth]

Monoprice has real cat8 cable and for the same length, their price is $30, vs the $13 here ☠️

[limber oyster]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RMxcsh

I'm looking for an ASRock board with built in wifi that will fit this. Any recommendations?

[potent portal]

Why asrock specifically?

[potent portal]

This one seems to fit the bill https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ftdrxr/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-itxax-mini-itx-am4-motherboard-b550-phantom-gaming-itxax

[limber oyster]

Affordable?

Especially for a dual nvme itx

[potent portal]

Affordable and ITX don't go together

In your case with a 3900X you need something with decent VRM heatsinks

[limber oyster]

Well I'm using a revolt 3 so...

And my b550 strix is having wifi/Bluetooth chip issues so im looking to replace it

[potent portal]

You can always get a used motherboard. AM4 is the only socket I'd recommend doing that with since there's no pins on the board to get damaged.

[frigid jackal]

91% isopropyl distilled soth some water baller to wipe down a monitor?

actually all my peripherals ofr that matter

[dusky hearth]

iso not recommended on monitors

may ruin the coating

[frigid jackal]

ah

[obsidian wigeon]

it can ruin the coating ya

[frigid jackal]

anytbing else gound in hones

😃

found oops

[dusky hearth]

just use a clean towel and distilled water

[frigid jackal]

homes oops

[obsidian wigeon]

just distilled water

[frigid jackal]

ty

[fossil cedar]

Check your motherboard you might just be able to swap a m.2 e card wifi chip

[limber oyster]

Was gonna go am4 anyways since I have a 3900x

[muted shore]

Please reccomend some good 1tb nvme

[dusky hearth]

Mp33

[tranquil jewel]

7900 xtx, 4080 super or 7900 gre and wait for the new graphics?

[fossil cedar]

The order of how good they are is
4080 super, 7900 XTX, 7900 XT, 7900 GRE, depends how much you wanna spend, how desperate you are to upgrade etc

[tranquil jewel]

im really desperate i used to have 7900 xtx sapphire but i went down bad and i sell it more then i paid for it same with my 3090 evga full priced in microcenter

so right now i want to invest in a good deal good choice so what i could get

[fossil cedar]

If you have a 3090, wait imo

[tranquil jewel]

no i dont have nothing i sell both of em right now i just using a 1030 i got for testing

for streaming which one is better? i used to have rhe 7900xtx but i don't tested it because i sell it sealed

[cyan ravine]

XTX and 4080S are about the same for streaming

4080S has better program compatibility tho

[earnest olive]

did AMD finally catch up in h264?

[cyan ravine]

To my knowledge no, but you shouldn't be using h.264 with XTX anyway

Should be hevc or av1

And when I mean no, I mean quality, speed wise AMD is trading blows

[earnest olive]

is twitch still on archaic h264 or have they moved on yet

[cyan ravine]

They're currently testing AV1 as of 8th January this year

[earnest olive]

nice

I streamed a few days ago and didn't see the option

wonder if it's not available for everyone yet

[cyan ravine]

The claim is it'll be here "within months" so any day now

Lol

https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2024/01/08/introducing-the-enhanced-broadcasting-beta/

[earnest olive]

we've partnered to bring yesterday's technology to you today

woo

[cyan ravine]

[stoic island]

To tomorrow*

[dusky hearth]

Tomorrow
Not today
Today's too hard

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-procrastination-spongebob-squarepants-rainbow-gif-11951472

[limber oyster]

What's the best usb/USB-C wifi/Bluetooth dongle?

[crimson zinc]

@mossy venture I need your help to find a list of parts for a limit of $325

(There can be an igpu if needed)

[muted shore]

Please reccomend some good 1tb nvme

[mossy venture]

what country

[muted shore]

india

[muted shore]

lemme find and share a few options

[frigid night]

Yuck

[muted shore]

hola

[cyan ravine]

Hi

SN580 looks nice if it's not expensive

[muted shore]

yeah its pretty cheap

looking to buy it for my laptop

78usd

[grim fog]

Thoughts or suggestions on this white (with pink RGB) 1440p build I put together for a coworker? Preferably under 2k was the budget. I also recommended the M27Q or the Dell S2722DGM for it. https://pcpartpicker.com/user/BakedPotat/saved/#view=N3hyWZ

[vague idol]

my vga light in on and its white but my pc works fine what do i do?

[cyan ravine]

@grim fog https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P3CCQP

The monitor is OLED

[cyan ravine]

Gigabyte mobo?

Sometimes it can signify an issue but I've seen it come on with no real indication of a problem before

[limber oyster]

My Asus does it sometimes too

Usually when my monitor is slow to boot

[vague idol]

wdym?

[cyan ravine]

I have personal experience with it happening on gigabyte

I'd believe it if it happens on other brands

But if the PC is working fine in windows it could be nothing

[grim fog]

@cyan ravine thank you!!

[vague idol]

oh ok

thanks

[cyan ravine]

Reseat the gpu with the pc off, see if it goes away

If not, and nothing's wrong...

??? Who knows

One of those things I've yet to experience a problem from personally

[cyan ravine]

Np

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8cbyN6

Second option

Though nvm on psu

Rm850>

Also check out the white montech sky two

[grim fog]

Thank you! And that montech looks really pretty too!

[crimson zinc]

@mossy venture pc for fortnite for $400
Best I got https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hp2bYN

Was gonna go with 3600 but over budget

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b6jvGP

Extra cache will help a lot for fortnite (cpu)

Ms30 is a sata m.2

So bad

[crimson zinc]

I thought forntite was gpu bound

[mossy venture]

Ehh

And even so, that doesn't mean a better cpu wouldn't make a difference

[crimson zinc]

It did hell on my gpu when I played years ago

True true

[mossy venture]

The game has changed a TON in how it renders and how demanding it is

My friend used to run it on a 3400g and 8gb ram

Now it can't run with a 3400g, 16gb ram, and a 1650

[crimson zinc]

:19:

[manic cloak]

I used to play fortnite on an iMac with ddr3 back in 2016

And it was difficult

Or was it 2018

Idk

[crimson zinc]

Ew

[manic cloak]

Ya.. it was still very difficult to play

[crimson zinc]

I can’t imagine it ran at all

[manic cloak]

Oh it ran alright

But the amount of lag + time to load in

Usually I was the last one to jump off the bus because it kicked me off before the game even rendered 💀

[mossy venture]

I ran it at like 10 fps on a 4030u laptop

[crimson zinc]

It ran 30 fps on my old Xbox one

[woven wedge]

Helping a friend get a list together for his build. What is a decent 240mm aio that will be cooling a 7800x3d if we can get it to fit in the budget

[obsidian wigeon]

You can easily cool 7800x3d with air cooler btw

Just as a side note

[woven wedge]

yes

getting him both options

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bMyH99/thermalright-frozen-edge-69-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-fe240-black

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zcgrxr/thermalright-frozen-prism-argb-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-240-black-argb

rgb

[woven wedge]

and what the stuff to look for to know a air cooler will be good

[mossy venture]

Phantom spirit

Peerless assassin

214xt

[zinc cargo]

how much watts do I need for i9 14900K and 4070 super?

[obsidian wigeon]

850 should be ok

But I can't recommend 13-14th gen Intel

[zinc cargo]

Im not gonna overclock anyways or anything

[obsidian wigeon]

There has been cpu degradation issues, and the only fix is to run the cpu slower

Which gives you up to 20% perf regression

[zinc cargo]

I already bought 😦

[potent portal]

That's not even your choice any more, the motherboard overclocks even at default settings

[obsidian wigeon]

Return it if possible

Are you using this for gaming?

[zinc cargo]

It will be delivered to me tomorrow

[zinc cargo]

yeah

competitive gaming

[obsidian wigeon]

I'd suggest AM5 instead

7800X3D specifically

Still I would return it due to the issues it has

[zinc cargo]

had the chance to go for that but I just like intel tbh, in terms of faster L2 Cache, etc

[cyan ravine]

#cpus-mobo-and-memory message

[obsidian wigeon]

20% perf loss to avoid degradation puts it behind 7800x3d

[zinc cargo]

whats that

[obsidian wigeon]

a message you should read

[cyan ravine]

Click it. It will tell you all about the current state of i9's

[potent portal]

There's a large percentage (exact number unknown) of high end Intel parts that have to be RMA'd after 6 months because the motherboard lets it run at 350W+ at 100C and, who would have guessed, that's bad for it

[cyan ravine]

It affects me as well, owning 2 of them

[zinc cargo]

oops

[potent portal]

Some chips are bad out of the box and can't run some programs and games

[zinc cargo]

Thing is I went for it already

[cyan ravine]

By following instructions to make your I9 run at quote "safe" intel spec, you will be nerfing it way down

[zinc cargo]

and I cant return it easily cuz its international shipping

[cyan ravine]

I mean if nothing can be done oh well

[obsidian wigeon]

oh-

[cyan ravine]

But still, that message is important

[potent portal]

Well the only way to make sure you don't have problems is to set power and temp limits down, which WILL cost you performance

[obsidian wigeon]

Then please use Intel stock settings

[cyan ravine]

If you don't want the cpu to die within the year, I'd suggest learning about this so you can set the pc up properly

[zinc cargo]

yeah they just came up with the nerfing thing a couple of days after I purchased lOL

[obsidian wigeon]

At the cost of perf, but your cpu won't eventually die

[zinc cargo]

Yeah i will use everything default

no manual OCs

nothing

[potent portal]

No not default

[obsidian wigeon]

Default for mobo = bad

[cyan ravine]

Not default

[potent portal]

The motherboard overclocks by default

[obsidian wigeon]

You have to set it to Intel recommend settings

[cyan ravine]

Default is what makes the situation

[zinc cargo]

but, new bios updates forces the intel spec right?

[cyan ravine]

Some do

Not all have enforced this yet

[zinc cargo]

yeah my mobo is Z790 Aorus Elite X AX

[obsidian wigeon]

Only on some boards right now

[potent portal]

No it adds a new profile on most boards you have to enable manually

[zinc cargo]

okay when I get the pc i will come back here and do it with u guys

[cyan ravine]

You want to verify this cpu will run at spec for your board when you get it

[potent portal]

Gigabyte boards you have to dig through 4 submenus to find the setting 💀

[zinc cargo]

Heard that yeah

[cyan ravine]

There's a vid for that:
https://youtu.be/HIubZYwBfPc?si=I6mXyXQ3Kne0dRpe

[zinc cargo]

whats causing this situations? bad VRMs? capacitors? or what exactly?

cuz Z790 Arous Elite "X" AX

is a refreshed version

[obsidian wigeon]

It's Intel's fault

[zinc cargo]

with better PCB

and VRMs

[obsidian wigeon]

They have been brute forcing with feeding the cpu a ton of voltage

And let it run very hot

[potent portal]

Ultimately yes it's Intel's fault because they've allowed unchecked power for over 5 years now

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[cyan ravine]

The board makers are all following intel suggestions to run beyond "safe" or "extreme" spec, which has lead to a situation where the chips are degraded over a short time

[zinc cargo]

uh oh

[cyan ravine]

Degraded as in, literally like dying

Slow death not instant

[zinc cargo]

okay when I get the pc, i wont do anything, I will just update latest bios

and then come here and u guys tell me what to do exactly

I wont even enable XMP first run, i will update bios first

[cyan ravine]

Use the vid I just linked

[zinc cargo]

okay

[potent portal]

That 6GHz advertised speed? You'll be lucky to get 5.7 without damage long term

[cyan ravine]

Jayz actually explains it really well (for once)

[obsidian wigeon]

Intel should've just given in and never done this

[zinc cargo]

RIP

[obsidian wigeon]

I guess they were desperate

[zinc cargo]

should've went with the i7

[obsidian wigeon]

Can't make amd look much better

[potent portal]

AMD has been pressuring them for years and it's starting to hurt. They had to be the best at all costs, and boy is it costing them

[cyan ravine]

And yeah, the drawback to this is intel has gone from kinda the best in games, to pretty much on a hard losing streak

But this is how it should've been

[zinc cargo]

can u guys lmk what u thiunk about this build?

[obsidian wigeon]

Now the ugly truth rears its head

Oh Intel

How have your grace fallen

[crimson zinc]

Intel used to be hat I thought all pcs ran on as a teen

[zinc cargo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t7FYZJ

[cyan ravine]

Well it's interesting to surmise if intel even has the 1% low advantage now even

[crimson zinc]

Now it’s the fallen grace of the pc world

[cyan ravine]

It's a pretty serious nerf depending on the game

[zinc cargo]

I play valorant professionally

so I wanted the fastest and lowest latency cpu

[crimson zinc]

7800x3d

[obsidian wigeon]

Lost in laptop space

Slipped in pc space

[crimson zinc]

Every time

[cyan ravine]

Thankfully nothing here needs changing per se

[potent portal]

AMD co-designed the x64 spec way back when and had the first 64 bit processor

[cyan ravine]

Tho for the money it could've been a lot better

[zinc cargo]

how so?

what would u've swapped

I still didnt get the PSU + case

[cyan ravine]

It depends on what you value

[crimson zinc]

Make it a prettier case I beg

[cyan ravine]

As far as peak pc

[crimson zinc]

That case is so boring

[zinc cargo]

I care about performance and ultra low latency

as I play VALORANT professionally

so im kinda paranoid about latency

after trying 5800X at the gaming house

[cyan ravine]

Ok I got it the first time lol

I used to play esports myself

[zinc cargo]

lit

[potent portal]

5800X was a decent chip but the X3D is where it's at for most games

[cyan ravine]

I would've bumped less into the cpu and more into the gpu, or into an oled monitor

[zinc cargo]

it was but honestly it doesnt feel snappy

like it feels kinda desynced

in a weird way

[crimson zinc]

Put your build in a nice phanteks g360a or p500a

[zinc cargo]

intel rigs for me, seem sharper, more snappy/responsive

[crimson zinc]

Good looking cases

[zinc cargo]

somehow

I dont wanna spend too much on cosmetics tbh

[potent portal]

Yeah I had one and I was considering upgrading it... then MSI forced me to upgrade it when they shoved 1.5V into it with a bad bios update and it died

[crimson zinc]

$60 case and a $79

[zinc cargo]

idk if we have those in Egypt

im kinda limited with the PSU/Case

options

there's ASUS GT302

[obsidian wigeon]

gt302 looks like an ok enough of a case

mesh

[crimson zinc]

https://elbadrgroupeg.store/index.php?route=product/category&path=25

This looks good

Cheaper than most

[zinc cargo]

its not mesh tho

[crimson zinc]

Front is

[zinc cargo]

why link isnt working for me

which one is that

[obsidian wigeon]

breh

[zinc cargo]

oh yeah i was thinking this

[obsidian wigeon]

it's mesh but got some obstruction on the front

[crimson zinc]

Remove the obstruction lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

The obstruction happens to be the whole front panel

Soooo

[crimson zinc]

DISRESPECT YOUR SURROUNDINGS

[zinc cargo]

its really cheap so its a good option

[obsidian wigeon]

gt302 gives me deepcool case vibes

[zinc cargo]

wish we had Fractal design meshify

[obsidian wigeon]

like ch520 lol

[cyan ravine]

@zinc cargo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FLXhXk

[crimson zinc]

https://tv-it.com/product-categories/computer-case

[cyan ravine]

What the same price would've bought, and it's easily faster

[obsidian wigeon]

ok i dip to go game

[zinc cargo]

aight bro hf

tyty

[cyan ravine]

Ohp I left the extra fans in

Now they gone

[potent portal]

I owned a meshify C. It was a good case but I outgrew it fast. It wasn't able to fit my GPU with my liquid cooler front mounted, and I have the FE model so it's not big.

[zinc cargo]

is it actually faster? ram is 5600 CL46 while I got 7200 CL34, and i9 Is kinda faster aswell

valorant is cpu heavy game

[cyan ravine]

It's faster yes

Both cpus run 8p

[crimson zinc]

Look at the die

[zinc cargo]

hynix A

[cyan ravine]

You'd run 8p HT off

5600 CL46 is hynix A

You'd put the same xmp in

It's known to run 8000+

The board itself however won't really

But if you're not familiar with ram oc, board won't help much going for any particulars

[zinc cargo]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

The 4080S is a clear latency uptick

However if you don't have oled

[zinc cargo]

yeah true that

[cyan ravine]

It's a waste

[zinc cargo]

nah I have XL2546K

240hz

[cyan ravine]

Oled is a bigger advantage than a gpu upgrade

[zinc cargo]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

240hz oled is an upgrade over this

[zinc cargo]

0.2ms total response time

lol

while benq is 15ms

hella difference

[potent portal]

I'd personally run it only as fast as Gear 2 allows, because Gear 4 has an increased latency. You can overcome that penalty with more raw speed, but it gets a lot harder on most boards.

[zinc cargo]

almost 0 delay

[obsidian wigeon]

oled has no contest for latency

at least display

[zinc cargo]

literally

yeah

its 0.2ms total

insane number

[cyan ravine]

Well more importantly the frame response is so sharp that it's equivalent to several tiers worth of gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

it also has less blur

making you see things better

[potent portal]

Yeah 120Hz on OLED is like 240Hz on an LCD

[zinc cargo]

damn

[cyan ravine]

13700K overclocked well will basically perform more or less like a 14900K btw, especially with the "Intel spec" shenanigans going on

[zinc cargo]

yeah coulda saved more money

im dumb

[obsidian wigeon]

14900KS more like

KN

k nerfed

[zinc cargo]

should've went with i7 14700K

more Ecores, more speed + cache

[cyan ravine]

14900K is indeed slightly faster, but that couple % for the couple hundred, you gain way more from other parts of the build

[zinc cargo]

it was perfect price

[cyan ravine]

Even 14700k

You don't need e cores

[potent portal]

14700K has the issues too

[obsidian wigeon]

p cores is all you want in gaming

[zinc cargo]

yeah i mean slight future proof since its the last platform to support

[obsidian wigeon]

having e cores just introduces extra latency and frame dips

[zinc cargo]

so I had an idea

which was stupid

I wanted to maximize the cpu since its the last platform so it stays longer

[cyan ravine]

You want 8 P cores, HT on or off for maximised 1% and 0.1% lows on a frame cap

[zinc cargo]

[cyan ravine]

I mean it's fine

[obsidian wigeon]

The Intel® Way™

[cyan ravine]

If you make the most of it, it'll be a fine pc

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[cyan ravine]

There's nothing functionally bad in the original list

[obsidian wigeon]

You just gotta do stuff to make it a working pc

[cyan ravine]

Which is not all common that I say that

[zinc cargo]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

But it was a bit excessive

[zinc cargo]

yep true

but meh all g

whatever happened happened

[cyan ravine]

The take away from this, if you play pro, def go oled

Oled is huge

[obsidian wigeon]

I honestly can't think about Intel's future cpus

[cyan ravine]

Cannot begin to express the difference

[zinc cargo]

yeah just knew about that oled tech a few weeks ago

finna upgrade for sure

[obsidian wigeon]

If they push their cpus hard again

[cyan ravine]

Bigger than anything else you can do

Oled is huge

[obsidian wigeon]

And news break

[cyan ravine]

Look into a good keyboard

[obsidian wigeon]

Big yikes for Intel

[zinc cargo]

I have wooting 60HE

[cyan ravine]

Brilliant board

[zinc cargo]

and razer huntsman v3 pro tkl (newest rapid trigger implementations)

[cyan ravine]

Good mouse, good board, good monitor, that's most of what makes a huge system response drop

[zinc cargo]

yeah these parts are top tier anyways I have them

so I cancelled out the peripherals from the equation

I was focusing more on processing part

the PC itself

I have gpro + Razer DAV3 PRO 8KHZ + viper v2 pro 8KHZ

like peripherals arent a problem to me at all

[cyan ravine]

Ye, the gpu itself isn't a huge deal, since if you run frame cap to 240 and always hit that, you won't need more gpu

[zinc cargo]

just the monitor thing

[cyan ravine]

But ye the monitor def will be big

You'll need to adjust to it as well

Some people don't like the oled coating

[zinc cargo]

yeah i will try to invest in it

next 2 salaries inshallah

[cyan ravine]

Idk if the sale is still going

They had it going for a new low price today

600

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BRBW8KRK

[zinc cargo]

27 is a bit excessive

i want 24

24.5

[cyan ravine]

24 doesn't exist for oled

17 does

But laptop

[zinc cargo]

TWENTY EIGHT K

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[zinc cargo]

its so expensive

[cyan ravine]

Wait wha

[zinc cargo]

24 inch for oled doesnt exist? 😮

[obsidian wigeon]

Nope not yet

[zinc cargo]

time to wait hehe

[cyan ravine]

$600 not showing up?

[zinc cargo]

.03ms GtG

what the

f

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Go watch optimum tech's vid on this monitor

[zinc cargo]

it shows in EGP

[cyan ravine]

You'll start to get it

Ah

[zinc cargo]

I saw calypto's latency guide

[cyan ravine]

I have no idea what egp is

[zinc cargo]

he had a chart for the OLED

[obsidian wigeon]

Man my oled phone only does like 3ms on gtg despite it being oled

[zinc cargo]

Egyptian pounds, 1 USD = 48 EGP rn

[cyan ravine]

https://youtu.be/hMzCnEhfB18?si=4Qp3CtKKTA1Fys_6

[obsidian wigeon]

jk phones aren't made to run val

[cyan ravine]

The way I can describe it

Using his words

240hz oled is more or less, 540hz fast ips + ulmb2

[zinc cargo]

damnnn

[cyan ravine]

It's like literally doubling your fps in responsiveness, without upgrading the gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

You basically get better frames by simply being able to see more

[cyan ravine]

And you gain oled clarity

[zinc cargo]

time to ditch benq and their TN

[cyan ravine]

If you can adjust to 27", I would do it lol

[zinc cargo]

I play 4:3

i cant imagine how responsive the game would be on OLED

omg

[cyan ravine]

There's that $600 LG I linked, also KTC has a $650 one on amazon, same panel as LG

[zinc cargo]

thats like moving my agent's hand irl

[obsidian wigeon]

I experienced terrible side of IPS panels thru my laptop

I mean it has good colors and all but the response time was just blergh

[cyan ravine]

Basically all the 27" 240hz 1440p OLED's are the same LG panel

You just pick the cheapest nicest

[zinc cargo]

yeah got it

[obsidian wigeon]

Difference is firmware tho

[zinc cargo]

Imma for sure upgrade to OLED

[obsidian wigeon]

But that shouldn't be an issue

[zinc cargo]

yeah wouldnt be'

I cant wait to build my PCCCCCCCC

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[obsidian wigeon]

The panel doesn't need fancy features to perform

[zinc cargo]

im traumatized by AMD fr

[potent portal]

Crosshairs matter for pros

[zinc cargo]

my game felt hella terrible

[obsidian wigeon]

I guess crosshairs matter

[zinc cargo]

the inputs were kinda delayed

[obsidian wigeon]

But isn't that commonplace these days

[zinc cargo]

when I double satchel

it feels desynced

[potent portal]

50/50 I'd say

[zinc cargo]

basically any input i do

[cyan ravine]

Sometimes bad or bloated windows installs can just feel like garbage

[zinc cargo]

I optimized everything

calypto's guide, nothing in the background

latest bios, windows

everything optimized

[cyan ravine]

Windows itself installs well or bad on a coinflip tho

[zinc cargo]

I tried 3 fresh installs

its just feelssss terrible

ngl my i5 7500 feels 10x responsive

and snappy

than the 5800X

[cyan ravine]

I've used both for years, I can barely feel a difference

Well not both of those

But both amd and intel

[zinc cargo]

yeah

I wanted to give the 7800X3D a shot

[cyan ravine]

There is a definite 1% low difference, but beyond that it's superlative

[zinc cargo]

but I was scared I deal with the same desynced game and bad responsiveness as intel rigs

[cyan ravine]

Or I guess for better word, psychoschematic

[zinc cargo]

ppl actually are not believing me that I actually feel the difference

[cyan ravine]

I've been in both good and bad shoes on both sides tho

[obsidian wigeon]

Like felix said

Windows is a coin flip

When it works, it's ok

When it doesn't, it's a pain

[potent portal]

psychosomatic? I like your word better tho lol

[cyan ravine]

Is somatic where it's placebo

[obsidian wigeon]

ow a ligament on my heel is feeling so painful

[cyan ravine]

Cos that's the one I meant lol

[obsidian wigeon]

sitting wrong did that

[potent portal]

It's the one where it's all in your head but you get physical symptoms

[zinc cargo]

I love how intel cares about esports more tbh

[cyan ravine]

Yep that's the one

[zinc cargo]

like they are involved

[obsidian wigeon]

Involved cuz they're desperate

[zinc cargo]

hahaha

nah but fr

[cyan ravine]

What

[zinc cargo]

their chips are crazy fast bro

[obsidian wigeon]

They need to stay on top

[cyan ravine]

I-

No I don't think that's why they're there

Lol

[obsidian wigeon]

Well

[cyan ravine]

Intel's been in esports for years

[obsidian wigeon]

Now that sounds stupid

[cyan ravine]

Since like 8th gen days

[obsidian wigeon]

My bad lol

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[zinc cargo]

yeah

I JUST LOVE INTEL

OMG

[obsidian wigeon]

I just have emotions about Intel sometimes

[cyan ravine]

Nothing wrong with loving a side

Lol

[zinc cargo]

INTEL + NVIDIA best combo ever ngl

peace of mind

[obsidian wigeon]

I prefer amd coz efficiency

[zinc cargo]

except these cpu issues

[cyan ravine]

I've tried all the combos at this point

[zinc cargo]

which are major destruction 💀

[cyan ravine]

Except intel gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

Using zen 3 laptop changed my world so much

Then again, I upgraded from 4710HQ lmao

Like 1000% jump

Not just normal quad core haswell mobile

It's a haswell quad core that I had to limit to 2.5ghz

[zinc cargo]

I spent too much on this pc

oh my

[obsidian wigeon]

So that the gpu wouldn't throttle

Hey well at least you're not one of those

i9 4060ti guys

[cyan ravine]

My favourite combo

For pure raster and responsiveness

[zinc cargo]

4070 S is actually good with 14900K right?

[obsidian wigeon]

ya

[cyan ravine]

Would probably be intel + Radeon

[zinc cargo]

thank god

[cyan ravine]

It's valorant, toasters make fine pc's with valorant

4070s is fine

[zinc cargo]

remember. latency matters

I hope the AIO is good tho

I think im the first guy to try it on earth 💀

[cyan ravine]

I can't remember which one it was

[zinc cargo]

LS720S ZERO DARK

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah no it's fine

It's an ls720 with an aesthetic change

[zinc cargo]

okay W

[cyan ravine]

I looked into that one a while ago

It's fine but the fans are very noisy

[zinc cargo]

I honestly dc about the RGB

i just want raw performance

also, do I need contact frame?

;S

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[zinc cargo]

G___________________________G

[cyan ravine]

$8 thermalright contact frame is king

[zinc cargo]

even with the refreshed boards?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

Intel can't design an ILM

[zinc cargo]

Seems like intel is horse

shhhhhhhhhhhhh

wasted my money

[cyan ravine]

Use this for a tutorial
https://youtu.be/iYU1OskbY-Q?si=cUIOPZASq6i7kmAn

The tutorial is very important

You need to screw in level

If you just tighten without thought you will be missing ram, storage, gpu, all sorts of things

[zinc cargo]

what did I put myself into

[cyan ravine]

💀

[zinc cargo]

oh no

[mossy citrus]

Brand loyalty is stupid just get whatever fits your usecase best for the budget

[cyan ravine]

Hey man, we haven't even gotten to the ram OC part

[mossy citrus]

Stop

[zinc cargo]

HAHAAAAAAA

[cyan ravine]

You want minimum latency right?

💀

[mossy citrus]

Shut up felix we dont talk about that

[zinc cargo]

YE-

AH

I tHOUGHT CL34-46-46-86 is the lowest

LMFAO

[cyan ravine]

Not even

[mossy citrus]

Stay away from ram oc thats a form of self torture

[mossy citrus]

Hell no

[cyan ravine]

Ram oc is pure hell on intel current gen

[zinc cargo]

FOR 7200MHZ ITS NOT?

[cyan ravine]

Nope

[zinc cargo]

aight guys

im returning

[cyan ravine]

CL28 is theoretical lowest

[mossy citrus]

Gonna be honest i wouldnt use anything over 6800mhz if i wanted stable xmp on anything

[cyan ravine]

But IRL people can and do go lower

CL26 exists

[zinc cargo]

DDR5?

[mossy citrus]

[cyan ravine]

I think I've seen CL24 before

[zinc cargo]

7200MHZ

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[zinc cargo]

wth

[cyan ravine]

Not sure about 7200 for cl24

But definitely cl26 should exist from someone

This is of course manual tuning

[zinc cargo]

7200 cl26 is the craziest thing im reading rn

[cyan ravine]

Not xmp btw lol

[zinc cargo]

yeah ofc

but

i fear frying my things

[cyan ravine]

If you want to see these things go scan something called hwbot

Check like, ycruncher benchmarks

[zinc cargo]

yeah ycruncher

[cyan ravine]

Or maybe lighter stuff like geekbench

You'll see some exotic tunes and cooling

[zinc cargo]

bro this is more stressful than

idk

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[zinc cargo]

thing is im gonna build all this by myself

[cyan ravine]

So if I told you 7800X3D can do a full tune in a day with a cheat sheet would you believe me 😂

[zinc cargo]

and im already worried about frying my GPU with that 12VHPWR cable

[zinc cargo]

imagine 7800X3D ends up lower latency than i9 14900K

im gonna

yk

[cyan ravine]

I'm not sure about lower per se

[zinc cargo]

thank god

[cyan ravine]

But overall it's pretty close

[zinc cargo]

so my money are NOT wasted

[cyan ravine]

For a lot less headache

[zinc cargo]

yeah

like

contact frame, intel spec, power draw

heat

like

[cyan ravine]

Ram, stress testing for weeks

[zinc cargo]

weeks

ahaaaaaaaaaaa

[cyan ravine]

Weeks

[zinc cargo]

yyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeee

WEEEKS

[cyan ravine]

If you go all in yeah

[zinc cargo]

then ends up frying

I better see enemies 0.603ns before they do see me

[mossy citrus]

😭

[cyan ravine]

Intel ram oc is pure torture

It truly can take weeks, months on some boards

[zinc cargo]

Im gonna pretend I never knew about the 7200 CL26

[cyan ravine]

It depends how on the limit you want to be

[stoic island]

it won't end up frying, but it might end up having the slightest instability that only crashes in the very specific case of a very specific frame in a specific game that you won't find anywhere else

[zinc cargo]

cuz I think u dragged me into hell

[cyan ravine]

I'm sure there will be at least one sub ambient score with this lol

[zinc cargo]

is that ur cat tho?

[cyan ravine]

Nah this is pickles

[zinc cargo]

thank god

[cyan ravine]

He got sent to the oil rig

[zinc cargo]

whatever, he looks cute af with that cup 🤣

or helmet

I love TN colors

can't SEE SH

Need Corsair to hook me up with a CASE + PSU then Im grateful

[cyan ravine]

Let's have a look at what's good for 1B

[zinc cargo]

OH MY GOD

My shipment keeps

saying in warehouse

[cyan ravine]

We have 8700 cl36

[zinc cargo]

in Louisville Kentucky

bro

The package is in a secure facility pending clearance or resolution.

ughhhhhhhhh