building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

Ah

Painge

Might want to try another source

Anyway looks like this all up
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xPxPdH

It's a bit over, you could still step down to 4070TI and be more than fine

(you'll hit 2K after tax, roughly)

So like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PttR9c

A few cuts here and there and the 4080 could still fit if you really wanted it

[pliant grove]

Yeah I might have to wait on the case. Even amazon is out of the colors and rebuild fans I want.

[cyan ravine]

E.g cut back ram and storage capacity:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WK8CPF

Barely scraping 2K

[pliant grove]

Oh no I want that 4080 for sure

[cyan ravine]

Ah then do that last one imo

That gets you to 2K and you don't really lost out on any performance

No loss at all in fact

[pliant grove]

And would you recommend buying off newegg or this pcpartspick ?

[cyan ravine]

Pcpartpicker

It has the links there on the list

[pliant grove]

Yeah looks cheaper

[cyan ravine]

So you just click them and off you go

We're a newegg server but no one here is newegg related

They don't pay me anything so idc where you buy it lol

[pliant grove]

And what would be your guess the price would be if this setup came prebuilt?

[cyan ravine]

Mmm ....

[pliant grove]

You are awesome

[cyan ravine]

2500?

[flint sapphire]

2.5-3

[cyan ravine]

2700?

Yeah

[pliant grove]

So yeah you definitely save when diy

[cyan ravine]

Ye they make money somehow lol

Hmmm, anything else I could improve on

Maybe the psu

Yeah $5 more for a better psu seems like a good call
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QKZvQP

That's about it really

This looks really good

[pliant grove]

Yeah I like that better. And I just noticed. Did we downgrade to a 1tb ssd?

[cyan ravine]

Ye, you can swap it back if you prefer, it was just to keep it near 2K

Your call at the end, both ssd's are fast af

[pliant grove]

I'm more concerned about the storage space.

Games take up a lot don't they?

[cyan ravine]

FS2020 does

But not 1tb

[pliant grove]

Yeah for sure.

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[pliant grove]

Decisions decisions

[cyan ravine]

Up to you really

I think 2tb or 1tb is fine, more of a measure how much you think you'd store on there

Do you fill up your xbox?

[pliant grove]

I already added more storage to the xbox.

[cyan ravine]

Lol then 2tb is probably a good idea then

[flint sapphire]

can always add more down the line

[cyan ravine]

Boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rRJGYN

[cyan ravine]

Also this^

[pliant grove]

Is there multiple ssd slots on that MB?

[cyan ravine]

Ye should be

Ye 2

And 4 sata ports for sata ssds

So plenty of expansion options too

Can even use the pcie slots with adapter cards

[pliant grove]

Oh very good. That's another thing. Do I need to order some sata cables too?

[flint sapphire]

nope

[cyan ravine]

Nah not for what you got here

[flint sapphire]

mobo will come with it anyways if you do

[pliant grove]

Nice so it's all included

[cyan ravine]

This should build an entire computer

You could also consider ezdiy-fab extensions

Or asiahorse

[pliant grove]

So when it comes to gaming computers how high a grade is this build?

[cyan ravine]

For your psu cables

High

High high end

[flint sapphire]

very high

[pliant grove]

HELL YEAH!!!

[cyan ravine]

Almost in space bro

[pliant grove]

You guys are the best

And for a pretty decent price

[flint sapphire]

cpu is like top top top gamer tier gpu is high tier 🫡

[cyan ravine]

These extensions go on the end of the cables that came with the psu btw

They don't go straight into the psu

E.g

Good kit:

Will need a 12vhpwr kit if you decide to get one

[pliant grove]

Maybe down the line but I should be good for now right?

[cyan ravine]

Ye you'll be fine

[pliant grove]

Sweet. I better start ordering some of this stuff. Hopefully I can find that case.

[cyan ravine]

Good luck with it man

Should run quite well

[pliant grove]

Thank you guys so so so much. What a help you've been. 🙌

If it blows up I'll let you know. 🤣

[cyan ravine]

Please do

[pliant grove]

Found the case. It's on its way

159.99 amazon

[cyan ravine]

Nice

Amazon got a great return policy too

[pliant grove]

Oh for sure. So will all these links be for amazon?

[cyan ravine]

I can't remember

Whatever pcpp says is probably the right one

Double check the seller doesn't have a weird name if it's Amazon

That should be about all you need to remember

[pliant grove]

Sounds good. Ordering now. Woot woot!!!

Damn. The video card isn't available

Nooooooo

[cyan ravine]

damn

there's others

[pliant grove]

It looks like it actually might be on the Asus site

[cyan ravine]

https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4080-super-zt-d40820d-10p/p/N82E16814500580

[pliant grove]

https://shop.asus.com/us/90yv0ka1-mvaa00-asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtxtm-4080-super-16gb-gddr6x.html?gad_source=1

[cyan ravine]

ooo it is in stock

better choice imo

[near garden]

If I upgrade my gpu to a 4070 it says it recommends a 700w power supply will a 750w do good ?

[analog hearth]

yes

[cyan ravine]

As long as it's not a fire hazard selection should be fine

[near garden]

Yeah I think I’ll be fine hopefully it’s a Corsair Rm750 gold

[cyan ravine]

perfectly fine

rm750e is a bit cheaper but still excellent

[upper ore]

So i just got my new Logitech pro x2 lightspeed in and ive been trying to use it. But it keeps on disconnecting and reconnecting itself while playing games or just in a discord. It has even done it while watching a YouTube video. Drivers for it are up to date and idk what to do now. I need help please! It also does it every time i launch a game.

[limber oyster]

Hey felix, what size pads should I get for ptm7950 to put on my Taichi 6800xt?

[south cliff]

Is that a stock thermal pad?

[potent portal]

If you mean the GPU die, that's slightly more than 28mm x 18mm if my rough estimates are correct

[limber oyster]

Wouldn't I need to replace them all?

@potent portal

[potent portal]

I wouldn't get ptm for the other parts, they don't get hot enough to cure it

[limber oyster]

What should I get?

[potent portal]

You can use the stock pads for everything else if they're not torn

Unless the memory is getting too hot also

G6 doesn't get too hot usually tho

[limber oyster]

Wouldn't it be smart to get pads just in case?

[limber oyster]

Usually....

In my case?

[flint sapphire]

Contact Logitech

[potent portal]

Yes usually. The exception being when the manufacturer simply forgets thermal pads.

Which happened before

[limber oyster]

I still think I should get replacements just in case

So. What sizes and brands should I get?

[potent portal]

Seems like asrock just uses really bad paste on that model so everything else should be fine.
I'm having trouble finding exact specs for the pads on this exact model. I found the phantom gaming but not the taichi, and I can't tell if they're the same.

[limber oyster]

Taichi

Phantom gaming

[potent portal]

I was more referring to the coolers since the components are the same height on both

[limber oyster]

Ahh

[lyric thistle]

extra pcb

so you can have more pc for every b

[cyan ravine]

Those are two completely different PCB's

One's RDNA2 6800XT, the other is 7800XT

Lol

Anyway

[lone flame]

i was gonna say

one looked like it was monolithic

other had chiplets

[runic spruce]

@analog hearth cool print, did u paint the bunny? I think painting the egg would look nice

[analog hearth]

I wanna see if my sister wants to paint it. I’m personally not the best painter lol

Or maybe my girlfriend can print it. I'll just have to take it to her next time I see her

[runic spruce]

That’s nice

[crimson zinc]

Seller for that gpu just deleted their account without dropping the item off

Any suggestions on a similarly priced ($80-100) 6-8GB gpu?

On eBay/mercari/newegg

[mossy venture]

1070/ti, 5600xt, 2060, 1660 super/ti, 1080, a580 maybe?

[crimson zinc]

Been trying to find the 1660 super at like $90

Been a few bites but a lot of dead acc

What’s the best out of those would you say?

[mossy venture]

1080

[crimson zinc]

I miss my 1080

[mossy venture]

I'd highly suggest hws if you can find a way to use it

[little osprey]

What is the difference between asking here and buildapc (can't mention how to get there because it is against rules)

[mossy venture]

You're much more likely to get accurate and helpful feedback here.

[little osprey]

Thank you I second that because Reddit servers you know

[leaden mauve]

yea that server is garbage

all reddit servers are like that

[languid nimbus]

Reddit full of “just google it” and “lol look this guy he doesn’t know”

[lyric thistle]

and then google only works if you add reddit to the search

[little osprey]

They often bite or even bully the noobs

Reddit people ain't nice

By the way if the manufacturer can't even solve the hardware problem post build nor can the Redditors

[potent portal]

You overestimate the ability of manufacturers. 95% of their "tech support" is reading a script and making you power cycle it etc.

[crimson zinc]

^

[crimson zinc]

https://item.mercari.com/gl/m63272595852?sv=0

😦

[severe dove]

A good build with 7900 xt & 7800x3d ? preferrably 32 or 48 gb ram. Thanks in advance 😊

[mossy venture]

budget and currency?

is wifi needed, monitor suggestions needed, whats the pc being used for, do you care about aesthetics?

[severe dove]

Wifi is not needed, but would be good if included. Used mainly for gaming & light programming. Don't care about other trivial things. My currency is SAR but just do USD if you are comfortable with it. budget around 7000 SAR.

1440p & 2160p

[cyan ravine]

So Newegg specifically

cos you gotta use a forwarder ye?

[severe dove]

not newegg specifically, I can check local amazon prices as well since prices differ here

[cyan ravine]

rgb yes or no

[mossy venture]

can fit xtx in budget
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4V2MQP

not sure on those fans

p12s and c12c both not on wegg

these might be better https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TFJgXL/phanteks-m25-140-pwm-d-rgb-10462-cfm-140-mm-fans-3-pack-ph-f140m25_drgb_pwm_bk01_3p

[severe dove]

Don't care, would like best prices even if no rgb

I have no interest in making it look fancy just need it to perform

[mossy venture]

nvm just do this case
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BXtLrH/phanteks-xt-pro-ultra-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-dbk01

bit cheaper while keeping same perf
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r3NHZJ

cheaper, 7900xt
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d883n6

[cyan ravine]

SFF if you're interested

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZZWTxH

[severe dove]

Thank you guys

[cyan ravine]

[little osprey]

My dream build https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/ehyoitsdavid/saved/#view=qhkzZL

Constructive comments welcome

[lyric thistle]

why

[mossy venture]

thats... a build

[stoic island]

is it like choose everything thats the most expensive kind of dream build or actual dream build

[thorn mural]

Hello whats good ddr5 budget ram/specs these days?

[stoic island]

5600c32 min

[thorn mural]

thanks and is 14100f fine for light/medium gaming

[little osprey]

Assuming I earn USD 6000 per month I can buy it in 2-3 years after master's degree graduation of course

[stoic island]

Things are going to change a lot in 2 years

[thorn mural]

Yeah

I havent kept up for two years and things have definitely changed

[little osprey]

Now I am only third year undergraduate I will consider by then probably I am doing master's in Ireland

[thorn mural]

That sounds ideal

[cyan ravine]

That's a PCMR build if I ever seen one

[little osprey]

EU consumers have better rights to repair I heard

Ireland however idk

[cyan ravine]

would personally recommend a better cpu and ddr4 if you're on a budget

a lot better performance out the gate

[thorn mural]

True

[cyan ravine]

unless you can get ddr5 on the cheap

12600KF + DDR4 + B660M Pro RS is usually a strong combo

for very little these days

[thorn mural]

im an incoming freshman so i guess that is the play i just need something cheap for dorm gaming

[cyan ravine]

what's your budget man

whole pc or just the cpu

[thorn mural]

probably 800 usd max

I can go used and I already have 2tb ssd + fans

[cyan ravine]

omg

you know what

[little osprey]

Is this true though

[cyan ravine]

I take it back, the 12600kf is gone

discontinued???

[thorn mural]

Damn

[cyan ravine]

ok next best option exists

one sec

[thorn mural]

Well anything is fine my G14 wont turn on anymore and I need a gaming replacement

[lyric thistle]

does non f exist still

[thorn mural]

no idea

[lyric thistle]

it was cheaper than f when I got it

[thorn mural]

last time i built anything was november last year

[cyan ravine]

oh wow this is painful

like yesterday we had $125 12600kf

next best now is $200 7600 or $190 13400f

[thorn mural]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LPrXqR

Any red flags on this

[cyan ravine]

OHHH

wait

wait wait wait

sorry

[thorn mural]

lol

[cyan ravine]

my pcpp was still stuck to newegg only

yesss there we go

12600kf

[thorn mural]

I've used both amd and intel and honestly dont really care which

[cyan ravine]

ok

800 max

ye?

[mossy venture]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YydTxH

[cyan ravine]

oh man

@thorn mural can you stretch

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7krBt7

$20

[mossy venture]

an argument can be made for 7600x with a 7600

[cyan ravine]

it's so worth it tho

hmmm

yes actually

gimme a sec I can do that

[mossy venture]

or 7600/7600 lmao

[thorn mural]

3200 vs 3600 worth upgrade here?

for ram

[cyan ravine]

nope

[thorn mural]

This is probably way more performance than i'll need

I am currently on a 9400f/460 hackintosh build

[cyan ravine]

mmmm

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YhXtyg

812

would argue the 12600kf has it's own merits tho

better PSU and can cut down on it at that

[mossy venture]

a650gl is $10 less

[cyan ravine]

yes

[mossy venture]

not much cheaper and 200w less tho

[cyan ravine]

yes

[thorn mural]

im not buying this instant so it probably doesnt matter

[cyan ravine]

hence me still putting it

200W worth for $10

[mossy venture]

oh i didnt see that lmao

i didnt even look at the list i thought it was still the 850

[thorn mural]

I just want a general idea of what to get cuz im leaving home in a couple months

[little osprey]

Thank you

[cyan ravine]

@thorn mural if you bought used 32gb ddr4 the 12600KF list can be under 800

$30 for 32gb 3200

very common

[thorn mural]

Yeah im def gonna look for used ram

[cyan ravine]

mmm better to ask in a couple months

whole market will def be different by then

[thorn mural]

whats releasing

Oh

Is it that unstable these days

[cyan ravine]

cheaper stuff, 6700XT will be gone

[little osprey]

Is this a problem

[cyan ravine]

sales all changed, better choices by then

in a way it'll be a little better

but also, that's long enough to completely change a budget list from top to bottom for what's "ideal"

[thorn mural]

Aight well i'll be back before I leave to check in on the market again i guess

thanks for your help

[cyan ravine]

no worries

save the list tho

[thorn mural]

Ya it favorited

[cyan ravine]

a lot of the choices in there are pretty stable

as far as pricing

[thorn mural]

i cant really wait for black friday cuz ill be in canada

afaik pc prices are much higher there

[cyan ravine]

the IM01 btw is an SFF case, so good for being a freshman

cos you can move around with it not being so bulky

[thorn mural]

Ye

[mossy venture]

wait is the budget 800 CAD

[thorn mural]

no usc

usd

[mossy venture]

oh alr

[thorn mural]

dont sweat it on a list tho i think i got the help i need

[little osprey]

And the problem is I need wireless minimum wifi 6(E) the motherboard you have recommended on the list unfortunately doesn't have wireless

[cyan ravine]

What are you doing that specifically needs wifi 6e

[little osprey]

Sorry WiFi 6

[cyan ravine]

6 even

[little osprey]

Low latency streaming and some heavy gaming

[cyan ravine]

Low latency + Wifi isn't really a thing

[thorn mural]

Do you not have ethernet lol

[cyan ravine]

ethernet is long and far the better answer

[mossy venture]

CAD list, over budget https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/

oops

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JQbQvj

ill make a cheaper one in a bit

or felix will idk

[cyan ravine]

honestly for that $7000 PCMR build you could probably cut a lot out of that and pay an electrician for an ethernet line

[little osprey]

In Canada the ISP equipment is one room and the PC is in another unless you have a super long wire

[cyan ravine]

yeah pay an electrician to run a new line from the router to the room

or get a mesh router and ethernet to it

far better than using wifi

[little osprey]

Ok

Thank you

[cyan ravine]

the difference in latency is often over 100ms improvement

which is why I mean that low latency + wifi is not a thing

[little osprey]

Yeah I was too naïve too simple

[cyan ravine]

lol

[little osprey]

Yeah I will modify the build to make it a bit lower than 6000 CAD

And I deleted that list of mine because it looks so stupid

[cyan ravine]

I wouldn't call it stupid

Just it speaks a lot to one's experience in this hobby

when I say "PCMR" it's because a lot of builds that turn up there are very similar, and it doesn't express an educated depth into what is arguably a great purchase or not

Similarly, I say a lot that no one writes a manual on how to shop for a good value pc

Not worth executing yourself over. Most people simply don't know/can't put the time in to know

I get told a lot that when I make some builds that my ideas and choices are very "Cheapskate" and thus bad

When I have mountains of references at this point that show me and prove to me what's a nice choice

There's both ends of the spectrum here, again, not worth shaming yourself for it

But it's good that you acknowledge there is definitely room for improvement

Pretty much all of us here want to suggest something that is a good choice, with long life and good (Or good enough) quality to make it a good return on investment

[weary galleon]

Does this mean if you're on wifi and the game shows your ping as say 30ms, you actually have 130+ (plus mouse/monitor latency)?

[weary galleon]

Also +1 for this. It packs nicely, is sturdy, small, and not too flashy (nobody's gonna try and nab it if you leave your door open or smthn)

[cyan ravine]

no, ping is ping

but depending on the device, you can be in the same room and still have +130ms latency

depends on a broad range of factors

combine this with system latency and you can definitely start to notice it as it creeps or bumps over 200ms

[weary galleon]

I've never seen a latency difference that big between ethernet and wifi, though the only places I've tested wired vs wireless I'm either within LOS of the router or have fiber

I do agree if budget is 7k getting some ethernet ran is probably worth it though lol

[cyan ravine]

great way to see something like that is often phones

phones can be really bad with latency

for example

my current phone is wifi 6

When I play mobile games on it in downtime

I get somewhere about 260ms latency

combination of where the server is located that you're connecting to (in this case far af), the wireless distance to the router, the signal stability, etc etc

Some times I really notice it, typical human reaction time is about 200ms, so you start to feel like everything has a slight delay past that point

below that everything feels really snappy

or snappy enough

but you have to deduct system turnaround latency

which is usually 40-60ms

less depending on the game

And this is where it comes full circle to why I say wifi and low latency aren't really a thing

if you add up the deficits with the extra wifi latency, you start to creep up really high on total latency, and this is compounded the further you are away from the router

other factors that play in like ram speed, cpu cache speed, system overhead from bloat

mouse polling rate

wireless response/wired response

keyboard latency etc etc

I'm digressing, whole rabbit hole but anyway

[weary galleon]

My speedtest with my phone (on wifi) is showing 20ms +-5. Really depends on the setup.

[cyan ravine]

it does

[weary galleon]

11ms on PC

I'm quite close to the server as well

[cyan ravine]

but see how far from the router are you

[weary galleon]

fairly close

[cyan ravine]

depending on how many walls between you and it, can increase it a lot

[weary galleon]

up a floor but It's a loft so open air to the router, sorta

maybe 25 feet idk

[cyan ravine]

wifi 6 does help but for example, my mesh nodes add about 30ms

over a distance of a hallway

not a lot added because I ethernet to each router/mesh node

[weary galleon]

20ms +- 3 when in direct LOS to router, 15ish feet away

[cyan ravine]

sorry had to walk out for a bit

When I just go direct to the router the added latency is +115ms roughly

hence why I went mesh lol

extension routers add 66

[weary galleon]

yeah mesh can be nice for bigger houses

[cyan ravine]

mmm

and it's a cost effective method vs running cable

So you know, not all answers in this case are a best fit, all depends on the person, house, pc location etc

[weary galleon]

also helps wireless devices as well

[cyan ravine]

yes

you create a better umbrella to strengthen your wireless service

saves bob's network next door running 4 freaking nighthawks from overpowering yours lmao

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m2v4vj

@cyan ravine can you make this “budget-er” without losing performance

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DB83n6

if you dont have the 3060 yet, 6650xt is $230 atm i think

[crimson zinc]

I don’t have anything
I just want it to have it ready

[cyan ravine]

swap to A520m tuf

it's just plain better if you ignore cpu overclocking

Would also do 32gb used ddr4

$30 is very achievable with that

[mossy venture]

its also $10 more atm tho

imo not worth it in a budget build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V4RXqR

[cyan ravine]

$10 well spent

Can pop a 5950X in a A520M tuf, not in a B550M K

[mossy venture]

i used ds3h

[cyan ravine]

oh that one you did ye

oh b550 ud ac is 99 now

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hMPWL9

[crimson zinc]

@cyan ravine @mossy venture would a $160 1080ti be a solid replacement

[cyan ravine]

yes

Tho beware, it's a card that's beginning to have direct x compatibility issues

5700XT for $120 would be even better imo

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LkkKQP

Took inspiration from both of your lists

[cyan ravine]

Don't do NV2

[crimson zinc]

Where did I put

[cyan ravine]

it's rarely a proper gen 4

often a borked worse than gen 3

e.g

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZKFnh3

would be comparable to all of these lists ^

[crimson zinc]

@cyan ravine switched
One additional question

How much performance loss is 4500 ~> 5600

[cyan ravine]

a lot

[crimson zinc]

Understood

[cyan ravine]

5500 to 5600 is a big dent

but not unusable

5500 you could suggest if the budget is reeaaallllyyy tight

[crimson zinc]

What about 5600g?

[cyan ravine]

nah

not unless uber cheap

[crimson zinc]

That’s igpu

[cyan ravine]

5600G and 5500 are basically the same except 5600G is more expensive

[crimson zinc]

5600g is 116 rn new

5500 is 119

[cyan ravine]

oh wow it changed

sorry

it was $92 or something yesterday

[crimson zinc]

5 days ago

You LIED

[cyan ravine]

💀

[crimson zinc]

shut

Holy 5600x on eBay Batman

[little osprey]

Is the statement, "the more expensive hardware the higher performance" true

[mossy venture]

No

Not whatsoever

$300 nzxt aios lose to some $60 thermalright aios

Let alone the $90 arctic lf iii

4070 ti super costs more than 7900xt

[cyan ravine]

Lots of companies sell their prices based on the brand notoriety as well

Like a 980 pro ssd sells for way more than a lot of ssd's that handily beat it

[crimson zinc]

There’s a $30 cooler that outperforms $400+ liquids

[leaden mauve]

Ivybridge outperforms all AM4 cpus despite being from 2012/2013

(I love spreading misinformation)

[little osprey]

I'm looking to build a from the ground up gaming pc, my budget is 3k but I have wiggle room.

In terms of what I'm looking for, in general to be able to just click purchase on a game without having to look too closely at specs. Windows, not looking to overclock or do anything too technical. General gaming, picture storage and whatever else.

[mossy venture]

Any preference for budget?

Not budget

Aesthetics

Mb

[near garden]

When swapping mobos can I just plug in my old nvmes and hard drives I don’t have to wipe them ?

[mossy venture]

Yeah but generally you should do a fresh install of windows

[little osprey]

Aesthetics in terms of? As I said, so out of the loop lol.

[mossy venture]

Do you want white, black, blue etc, glass front for the case as well as a glass side, rgb, etc

Lemme share some different options

[little osprey]

Oh, I have the case/tower. Two actually. Just need the guts.

I have a mid size and a xl as well

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DsV9YN

[mossy venture]

Ah alright

What case?

[little osprey]

The one I'd prefer to use is my mid size which is white and blue but I don't really care what it looks like inside as long as cable management is on point.

Iwin, something or other give me just a second and I might be able to find it?

Inwin*

[near garden]

If I don’t do a fresh windows install what sorts of issues could happen ?

[mossy venture]

Idk, honestly I didn't do one and idt I've had any issues from it lmao

It's just generally suggested, and just bc it's worked out for me doesn't mean it won't cause issues for you

[little osprey]

Yeah, I have no idea what it is aside from that its too old to google apparently lol.

[mossy venture]

Ah

Old in win cases (and a lot of new ones tbh) have really bad airflow

Does it have a mesh front?

[little osprey]

It does. Like the front has the hard drive slots, but there's mesh on each of the "drawers" the bottom half of the front is basically all mesh and plastic facade.

[mossy venture]

Hm

If you're open to it, I'd suggest replacing it

[little osprey]

I have a water cooling system in the current set up, I'm not sure if that needs to be swapped.

But that's in the larger case. I technically have 2 builds, both the same age and very outdated.

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DsV9YN

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZVfZCd

The second one, the 1tb ssd is free with the cpu

Other gpu options would be 7800xt, 7900xt, 7900xtx, 4070 super, 4070 ti, and 4070 ti super

The amd cards are better performance at their price brackets typically

And one sec, gonna link monitor options

[little osprey]

I'm cool with swapping cases. I have no preference for flashy lights and what not but I would like the option to add more hard drives easily.

And dual monitors!

[mossy venture]

That mobo has 3 nvme slots, so you could add a third ssd which could be 3tb, and I believe that case has 2 hdd slots and 1 sata ssd slot, but I could be wrong on that

You could just get a 4tb nvme to start off with

I would choose one of these for your main monitor
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RJNwJy

The two 4k options, I would only go for with a 4080 super or 7900xtx

The $200 one would be the best starting point imo

[little osprey]

Okay.

[mossy venture]

The OLED would provide the cleanest gaming performance, it has the fastest response times and is overall the smoothest

The 4k ones would be clearer and provide a better image, but puts more strain on the gpu. You would run into a gpu limit (down the line) sooner than you would if you played at 1440p.

If I'm not explaining anything well enough lmk

[little osprey]

Okay, so essentially if I care more about gpu limit downgrade a bit

No, you are for sure!

[mossy venture]

Kinda

Imo, 4k isn't exactly worth it

It is for some people, but its really personal preference

[little osprey]

I agree, we have a fancy tv I think is pointless because my eyes can only see what they see.

[mossy venture]

Would you rather higher fps/settings for a longer period of time, or more pixels on your screen to make the image sharper and better.

[little osprey]

At this stage anything over 60 is welcome 🤣

[mossy venture]

Fair

1440p will look incredible as is, especially any of these 3

Theyre all very nice, even the cheapest one

[little osprey]

That sounds perfect

Thank you so much for all your help!

[runic cedar]

Good 50 euro 1TB M.2 drive

?

[obsidian wigeon]

none tbh

[runic cedar]

Bruh

[obsidian wigeon]

better off looking at used

[runic cedar]

BRUH

I just bought amazon giftcard

[obsidian wigeon]

ssd price have gone up

[runic cedar]

not again

A month ago i saw wd black 750 or sth like that for 50 euros

[obsidian wigeon]

which amazon are you using?

i can probably help ya find something

[runic cedar]

Ger

[obsidian wigeon]

ok

[runic cedar]

Thx

Up to 55/58 euros is fine

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.amazon.de/Kingston-Internal-SNV2S-1000G-Solid/dp/B0BBWH1R8H

closest you're ever gonna get

[runic cedar]

F it if its a big jump I'll pay 60 euros

[obsidian wigeon]

are you just upgrading?

i mean either way if you're just gaming

[runic cedar]

Wouldnt gen 3 be better cuz cheaper?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

but i can't spot cheaper drives

this one's lowest

[runic cedar]

Heard last time gen 3 is around same speed

I saw so many 50 euro ones last month

[obsidian wigeon]

yeeeah nand prices shot up

production slowed to meet lower demand i guess

[runic cedar]

Should I wait

[obsidian wigeon]

since it bottomed out hard

nope tbh

[runic cedar]

Or will it only continue to climb

[obsidian wigeon]

i think it's gonna stay around there

[thorn mural]

is a 1080ti for $140 alright?

[crimson zinc]

Hell yeah

That’s below market value

@thorn mural is it on Mercari

[thorn mural]

facebook market

[crimson zinc]

Ah
There’s a dude selling one on there for $140 lmao

[thorn mural]

I despise mercari

[crimson zinc]

But 100% worth

[crimson zinc]

yeah, they recently instituted a garbage policy where buyers don’t have to pay fees, but the buyer gets shafted by paying them instead

[weary galleon]

mercari is weird, but they do sometimes offer deals way better than ebay

[quasi kettle]

mercari for pc parts feels insane

[thorn mural]

everything about mercari just makes it revolting to use for me

[crimson zinc]

@weary galleon @thorn mural Mercari has a lot of very not intelligent people. And they usually haggle.

So you can either get a beyond good deal like a 1080ti for $80, or a really garbage deal like a 1050 prebuilt for $900

[thorn mural]

Yep

Accurate

[manic cloak]

It isn’t noticeable but the gpu sag is.. yikes

This is my like.. moms cousins something something, very distant relative we’re staying at pc

[leaden mauve]

thats fine

whys it on the bottom slot

[potent portal]

That's a pretty light gpu so it shouldn't sag enough to matter

But it will be choked from air in that bottom slot

[cyan ravine]

Kingston and Sandisk more like Kingchoke and Sufferdisk

Poor gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[cyan ravine]

(if this is a multi-gpu situation then it's probably fine)

[little osprey]

Hi. Can someone help me choose a 4080 super?
I know they are all performe the same. I just want the one from here who is less hot, does less noise and has a better warranty

[vivid copper]

Unless you have specific case dimensions you're trying to hit, just pick one that fits your budget and aesthetic preferences. When it doesn't matter it literally doesn't matter. https://youtu.be/nPJR4LQ-IKc?si=1KfB0fXPPLJQ1sFs

[little osprey]

thank you for this video

there is only inno 3d on that video and its the one with worst temps and noise so I know I wont get that one

[obsidian wigeon]

those prices

ow

i'd check out an xtx

[little osprey]

I live on portugal, those prices are close to cheapest that you can get here

[cyan ravine]

The cheapest, save for a gigabyte or a ventus (ventus if you want sff)

[little osprey]

I can get the hellhound for 995€

[cyan ravine]

Techpowerup usually has a wide range of cards on review

[little osprey]

but I mainly play fortnite (35%)

[cyan ravine]

If you want temp and sound info

[little osprey]

and premiere (45%)

let me have a look

[cyan ravine]

Most 4080+ cards are so thick and overbuilt they generally run pretty quiet tho, I think the rare exception is trinity super?

They revised the cooler for that one

The 4080 vanilla trinity was pindrop quiet by comparison

Also I agree, if you don't do anything specifically nvidia bias like working with optix or a cuda monopolised program, XTX would be a good savings for you and the card is comparable

Hellhound is a decent card, not the best, I think it's quote "tier 3" on the vbios list for XTX? But it's a really clean card otherwise

Powercolor tends to be really good for everything apart from coil whine being a common complaint (A lot of their late cards are very quiet tho)

I think the PNY TF seems the nicest of that screenshot from what I can see @little osprey

Just from a cursory glance

Unless you want a waterloop in which the iChill block would save a fair bit

[cyan ravine]

Ah I just saw this. Depends what you do with premiere, but XTX is just fine with it really

[little osprey]

I think I will get that one

[cyan ravine]

Seems alright

What psu are you thinking of

With the cpu

[little osprey]

i m thinking more about fortnite, thats the only game I play at the moment

[cyan ravine]

Fair enough

[little osprey]

i was going for the 7950x3D cause i7 14700k consumes a lot

[cyan ravine]

Ah ok

[little osprey]

psu 850 w i think its enough

[cyan ravine]

Do you multi task a lot

Like let's say edit while you wait, export etc

While gaming

Streaming, content creating

[little osprey]

i want to record everytime Im playing, want to stream as well

yup its a pc for a professional content creator

lets say a youtuber

plays games, edits, streams

[cyan ravine]

So I'm gonna lean towards the 7800X3D for a suggestion here

There's a short explanation why

[little osprey]

tell me

[cyan ravine]

7950x3d introduces dual ccd latency

So you'd have to weigh it up with fortnite being your focus

If you want slightly worse latency in game, it's the trade off

[obsidian wigeon]

and you can run into dual ccd issues if you happen to get a bad one

[cyan ravine]

Since I'm guessing you're taking fortnite as the focus here

[cyan ravine]

Can confirm 3 people here have gone through it

7800x3d doesn't seem to have the trouble

But you add a 2nd ccd it gets finicky

i.e 6 or 8 more cores

7800X3D can still game stream and edit just fine, quite well in fact with a 4080S

You'd just run it off nvenc, so very little cpu load

But it depends what you want to value here, you can also make a fair case for 7950X3D if you really wanted to

14700K on the other hand uses more power but doesn't run into the same latency/scheduling issues of dual ccd ryzen

So you'll have better 1% lows and 0.1% lows for your fps

Which are the things that matter a lot for comp fortnite

I see the 7800X3D as the value, one size fits all choice tho

You get the low power and best parts of X3D without any tradeoffs

Bit counter-intuitive to AMD themselves saying 7950X3D is the zero compromise choice...lol

Stop me at any point if I'm getting too complicated @little osprey lol

[little osprey]

lol im a slow reader xD

[cyan ravine]

Lol all good

[little osprey]

and don't understand much about it

[cyan ravine]

Ok I can simplify it a bit

[little osprey]

what i've seen is that 7800x3d is only good for gaming

[cyan ravine]

12 or 16 core ryzen = extra ns delay on your pc

[little osprey]

since i edit more i7 or 7950x3d would be the best for me

[cyan ravine]

12 or 16 core x3d = extra nanosecond delay as well as scheduling, and can be a very unusual cpu to work properly with

8 core x3d = no nanosecond latencies, no worse 1% or 0.1% lows

I5, i7, i9 intel = far better 0.1% & 1% lows on fps, but at the cost of more cooling and power

So what I'm trying to say is, if you don't mind the extra system latency of working with the 7950X3D, go for it

But if you want a better Fortnite experience, consider any of the other choices instead

7800X3D I will say again, more than fine for editing, streaming and gaming. Very powerful CPU. There are tons of content creators out there who just use the ryzen 7

So you know, up to you

Hopefully that's a little simpler

Lol

Should also add, since you're going for comp fortnite and editing, an OLED screen would be a huge upgrade for you too

Extremely low response times, unbeatable, claps anything else

Incredible colour

Very clear picture

A good 240hz oled is about equivalent to a 540hz IPS screen for gameplay experience

They're just that plain good

And oled is excellent for premiere, best of both worlds

If it's still confusing let me know

[little osprey]

and do you think 7800x3d will age well in terms of productivity?

yeah i was looking at this oleds:

ROG Swift OLED PG27AQDM

MPG 271QRX QD-OLED 27" QHD 360Hz

or the AW2725DF

can i show you my current build?

[cyan ravine]

Yeah by all means I'm down to see what you got and what you have in mind

Just to clarify by the way

All the 27 inch 1440p 240hz OLED's

They're all the same screen just from different brands

So if you can find a cheaper model from another brand, it'll be the same experience for less

I'd make exceptions for nice things like a KVM though, worth a few extra euros

The Asus version of it probably isn't the cheapest

For QD-OLED I could say that the AW3423DF has been proven to last long term

Not sure about other models at this time

Their current generation of OLED/QD-OLED seems to have most products free of burn in, but you get drawbacks, like one I saw yesterday about purple tinting on the QD-OLEDs

I don't have one of those myself so I can't confirm it personally

[little osprey]

let me have a look at eu prices

most are not avaliable in portugal

[cyan ravine]

Fair enough

Brands like KTC, sell them for good prices in the USA

[little osprey]

let me just change the cooler , cause arctic or galahad are not avaliable

[cyan ravine]

Yeah try to not do galahad rn

I haven't seen any other cooler or tech product produce this many failures short term

If you google galahad failure you'll probably see what I'm talking about

They haven't even recalled them yet

Lots of grinding, rattling, blown motors, blocked fluids

Galahad II is on my avoid list at the moment. I haven't seen failures this common for a while

Not since the 4090 melting connectors

Or maybe a bit more recent, the samsung 980 pro and 990 pro failures (and the tens of thousands of warranties they didn't fulfill)

[cyan ravine]

For reference:

[little osprey]

here it is

this is a local shop with good prices compared to others in portugal

since I live on an island its better for me

[little osprey]

so arctic is the better one now right

[cyan ravine]

by far

Let me put something together

[little osprey]

ok thank you

[little osprey]

idk if ultrawide would be my thing

xD

this is my first pc build

[cyan ravine]

do you need wifi, a lot of usb?

Will you use a 2nd gpu for streaming at any point

[little osprey]

wifi yes , a lot of usbs idk, one for mic, camera, mouse, keyboard, phone

[little osprey]

not at the moment

maybe in 1 year or so

[cyan ravine]

how's this for usb

got a bios flash button too which is a big bonus

[little osprey]

i didnt knew about that, i was going for the 990 but its to expensive

[cyan ravine]

I can pull up some articles if you're curious

[little osprey]

red are 3.2 or 3.1?

whats the audio on that?

[cyan ravine]

3.1 I think

the audio is just simple

[little osprey]

is that the asus rog strix?

[cyan ravine]

It's B650M Gaming Plus Wifi

They sell it in my country too, very nice board for a low price

[little osprey]

isnt that a micro one?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

I'm not done yet

[little osprey]

i wanted a atx so my pc wouldn't look so empty xD

but go ahead

I'm listening

[cyan ravine]

I can put ATX, like I said, still cooking lol

[little osprey]

ahahah sure

my budget is 3k euros btw

[cyan ravine]

question

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41ouxhMmh+L.jpg

Do you like this case

[little osprey]

but yeah that mob has a lot of usbs, a bit concerned with the audio codec and with 2 slots M.2

[cyan ravine]

available with black too

[little osprey]

not at all

[cyan ravine]

ok

[little osprey]

I hate 2 fans at front

i dont know why

lian lachool is a cool brand case

[cyan ravine]

you don't mind the lancool?

lancool 215 mesh?

[little osprey]

not at all

how much is the lancool 3?

[cyan ravine]

https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/product/YCH8TW/lian-li-lancool-215-atx-mid-tower-case-lancool-215-black

there's this

[little osprey]

so youre thinkin on not using a 360 aio I'm guessing

[cyan ravine]

In my experience, you get the same performance with the new X3D chips on a good tower cooler as you do on water yeah

[little osprey]

ok

[cyan ravine]

I've checked this with at this point hundreds of builds

[little osprey]

it doesnt look to bad

i kinda like it

is it argb?

[cyan ravine]

afaik ye

It's an alternative

[little osprey]

didnt knew that, i know those chips dont get hot

[cyan ravine]

I'll put the 903

Ye

they like to run really hot, but they don't have any issues with it

[little osprey]

yup, its cheaper

[cyan ravine]

the problem is their little heatspreader

the bit where they put "RYZEN"

and "7800X3D"

it's thick as hell so it traps the heat in

so it's like

[little osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-scared-hands-shaking-shivering-gif-18714091

[cyan ravine]

you can put it in subzero cooling and it'll still try to be hot

ok

have a gander at this

https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/list/RNJrsh

the LCD version of the AG400 was only 7 euro more

that was surprising

so there are 2 gpus

my suggestion for either side you go

and the monitor is a nice OLED

if you want to change monitor

I pretty much went like for like on this one, but the build ultimately costs about, 2.4? before the monitor

If you still want the 7950, you can just swap it in for 200 more

though you would want a bigger cooler imo

there's also this tower cooler

https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/product/CzGhP6/apnx-ap1-v-763-cfm-cpu-cooler-ap1-5pipe-argb-bk

if you want a full aesthetics look, decent tower afaik, part of a great lineup of cases

7950X3D version:
https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZPyCPF

sadly no screen version of that one^ if the little screen is appealing lol

I would personally do 7800X3D here tho

just cos of the latency stuff we talked about, since it's fortnite we're aiming for here

pretty sure I could fit a 4090 ventus if we felt crazy enough here

It's not a quiet card, it is however very usable and desirable for the ITX crowd

yeah

https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/list/xHfbz6

it fits

[little osprey]

let me have a look at the builds

[cyan ravine]

no worries

[cyan ravine]

Abandon all hope of silence with this last one

ventus 4090 needs some messing with to keep the power from causing the fans to be loud as hell lol

I know a guy who has one tho, been absolutely fine if you ignore the sound part

Btw the 990 pro issue I talked about if you wanted to see:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-990-pro-health-dropping-fast

was a really big deal at the time

I still rarely encounter the odd person who has it happen to this day so, it's definitely still an issue for people who don't know

[little osprey]

trying to fit a 4090

i think i will pass this one

[cyan ravine]

lolol

that's a list more for fun

[little osprey]

to expensive and its probably the "worst" of the 4090

[cyan ravine]

mmm yeah pretty much

[little osprey]

I'm really happy with this build over here

[cyan ravine]

Gaming X slim and ventus are in the same boat

[little osprey]

i would just spend a little bit for a better ssd

[cyan ravine]

now, I am gonna say, you need to spend a LOT on a board if you want to add a 2nd GPU later

NM790 is top tier

[little osprey]

is it?

[cyan ravine]

yes

[little osprey]

shouldnt i get 2 2tb?

one for os?

[cyan ravine]

makes little difference except that it's way cheaper

[little osprey]

I dont think I will need one for know

[cyan ravine]

4080S should be fine with nvenc

[little osprey]

ok got it

[cyan ravine]

basically little to no cpu load

[little osprey]

let me just make that build on the local store website to see the price

if its worth it because of shipping costs

[cyan ravine]

alright

Yeah I've done lists for PT before

I hear you guys have some whack shipping in places

[little osprey]

yeah I dont doubt thta

[little osprey]

yup

I live on a separated island

so.. xD

[cyan ravine]

I'm gonna dip for 15-ish

[little osprey]

and for warrantys its much better than paying for shipping

[cyan ravine]

post the list I'll ping you later if you need some changes

[little osprey]

ok i will do it know to see

[cyan ravine]

[little osprey]

take care

[cyan ravine]

be back soon™️

[little osprey]

Thanks for the help btw

😉

[cyan ravine]

np

feel free to ask about anything here, as long as you want to learn we're pretty tame

ok bye fr now

[little osprey]

just found this video: https://youtu.be/Gu12QOQiUUI

i will have a look

they pretty much the same in 12 games average

[cyan ravine]

Ye but lows will be different

The lows are what you should care about for FPS/shooter

[lyric thistle]

seems like almost nobody records 0.1% lows

[cyan ravine]

GN does

you can see a trend of a difference with intel having better lows usually

[lyric thistle]

only other one that does that I've seen is RGIHD lol

[cyan ravine]

Rghid?

[lyric thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZikI5nE6Sw

[cyan ravine]

In any case it's not a world changing difference, if the 7950x3d is appealing enough, I see no reason not to get it

It's at an ok price in portugal imo

But it's a very common topic in monitor circles

They don't like 12 or 16 core ryzens lol

[little osprey]

i will go home now and see this better

chossing this mob for the audito and 1 extra m2 slot

and this sdd because the other is not avaliable

[cyan ravine]

I would change to the other 4080 super

Gigabyte has a design flaw

Leads to pcb cracking over time

[little osprey]

this onde?

[cyan ravine]

Ye that one is good

Silent at full load

Rgb version if you want rgb

[little osprey]

they just increased the price of this one lol

[cyan ravine]

Eh ah nvm

I thought it was 1160

[little osprey]

and they increared 7950x3d by 20€

[little osprey]

it was like 10minutes ago

xD

lol

[cyan ravine]

Oh sadge

[little osprey]

they must know im buying

💀

[cyan ravine]

They can see you shopping like

[little osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-smirk-shrek-sus-shrek-smile-gif-4983018699107868283

i will go home now

see you

[cyan ravine]

Np

Looks good now the list

[manic cloak]

Nah this is like an office computer 😭 it’s been like this for how many years now

He’s got a very beefy air cooler too which has built up dust on the glass panel between the tower and the fan

It looked like something cold was sprayed on there but it indeed is just dust

[little osprey]

Yeah still thinking about the cpu, just because I will do more viseo editing than gaming

Something I have to think about

But the price of the 7800x3D is a no brainer compared to the 7950x3d

[manic cloak]

Quick question - How well does AMDs gpu do for editing?

Considering I’ve seen people recommend/prefer Nivida over AMD for editing but with the newest generation is there a difference in opinion?

[crimson zinc]

Depending on what gpu you get

[manic cloak]

Uhm

I mean brand new, new gen

Also uh I don’t know much about the optimization with iRacing and graphic cards, I’m reading that Nivida is preferred though cause AMD doesn’t have some of the support SPS as well as Nivida does

But this was nearly 10 months ago so I don’t know if change has happened since or?

[earnest olive]

depends on the software you're using for editing as well

some software has better radeon support than others

[manic cloak]

Hmm suppose if I just built a rig for iracing then, would intel or AMD suffice? I know it can go back and forth

[earnest olive]

sorry, I know nothing about iracing

never even heard of it before

[potent portal]

disregard previous message, I misread the charts badly

3Dmark orange room scores are indicative of iracing performance, and that seems to favor Intel CPUs a bit.

So for this type of editing/VR computer I'd say Intel/Nvidia would be the combo to go for.

[manic cloak]

Gotcha, I might just hardware swap my 7800xt and probably a 4070 super from time to time instead of blowing 1.5k

[manic cloak]

Which would 4070 super be a right choice? I haven’t heard much about the supers except for it being iffy from its non super

[potent portal]

4070S is one of the best value Nvidia cards

[manic cloak]

Gotcha thanks

[cyan ravine]

Ok that makes it a fair statement, I'm more inclined to encourage you to 7950x3d in this case

I figured you had gaming as the biggest priority hence the 7800X3D

Either way you won't really be done wrong on either, just the 7800X3D is such good value for what it is

With no real drawbacks

The damn thing almost works on the AMD stock box cooler lmao

[little osprey]

i also do videos for clients so thats why i do more editing than actual gaming

[manic cloak]

What a deal but omen cooler 😭

My service is slow

[little osprey]

I think it would save me some time from using one than other

i will do a lot of yt and tik tok shorts

as well as youtube videos

[cyan ravine]

Fair enough fair enough. Sorry I had a slightly different interpretation of what you would be prioritising

Either way it wouldn't be a bad purchase to go with the 8 core

But ye, I can agree a lot more to 7950x3d

Now that you've said this

[manic cloak]

Isn’t 8000’s cpu dropping Q4?

[cyan ravine]

Sure

[manic cloak]

Or is that next year

[cyan ravine]

X3D is after that

[little osprey]

thats ok, sometimes i dont even understand myself lol

[cyan ravine]

We're in the middle of the cycle

[little osprey]

I think I will give the 7950x3d a go

if there are to many problems I will simple change it for the 7800x3d

[cyan ravine]

Sounds good. Let us know if you run into any issues with it. We have about 5 or 6 people who've used it here

[little osprey]

do you advise using process lasso or no?

[cyan ravine]

Lasso helps rarely, the scheduler is fine

But you can set it up in the back yeah

[little osprey]

what kinda problems did they have? I assume parking the wrong cores?

[cyan ravine]

As a backup

Parking, stuttering, pc tripping off, mad hanging freezing

[little osprey]

i though all problems had been fixed

[cyan ravine]

General instability

[little osprey]

isnt that connected to bad ram speed?

from what ive seen

[cyan ravine]

Yeah they are, just you occasionally get that one cpu that doesn't want to cooperate and needs rma

[little osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbik-cute-meme-influencer-gif-21732737

[cyan ravine]

It's otherwise just fine now

Yes the problems are pretty much gone

[little osprey]

he will cooperate

[cyan ravine]

But yeah, occasional black sheep, and the occasional agesa motherboard problems

Vs AM4 this is night and day better though

Anyway, phone's about to die so ima jet

[little osprey]

yeah go ahead

[cyan ravine]

You got both lists to think about so all is good lol

[little osprey]

thanks bro

[cyan ravine]

Np

[little osprey]

I will get it tomorrow or friday

with the aoc

[cyan ravine]

Ooo oled

[manic cloak]

Zotac model over the rest of the 4070S or?

[little osprey]

LFG

[cyan ravine]

[manic cloak]

@potent portal iRacing is on a 2008 platform (so it’s badly optimized) and leaves many cores depending on which cpu you get idle, so wouldn’t an AMD processor be better? Then again there is editing but I doubt I’ll do HEAVY editing.

[earnest olive]

I think intel is still leading in single core perf by a pretty decent amount

but for a platform that old you might see huge gains from the larger caches on ryzen (even non x3d) if most of the program fits in the cache

basically you can sit here and make theoretical arguments all day lol just look at benchmarks if you have a specific use case

[earnest olive]

well you found your answer

[manic cloak]

Mhm only issue is that he uses multiple factors which I still gotta get to 😭

Like I think this is just singular wide 1440p