building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

but for discussion's sake

it's a small cut

[flint sapphire]

ideally tho

the value out of this build is kinda stupid

[cyan ravine]

what if we throw white out

[flint sapphire]

its really good that is

[cyan ravine]

hold on

[flint sapphire]

throw it out

[cyan ravine]

wtf

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YkqWL9

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dKnj9c

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g8P9YN

only way to undercut the 12600kf here outright is to go ryzen 5500

[flint sapphire]

like if you want a white themed build tho https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M6pF9c lmao

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mm7yrv

that would be the undercut

and a significant drop

wait oops the psu

[flint sapphire]

its a solid build

yeah could do the 650

[cyan ravine]

600 now

that's the genuine floor

and nothing is bad

[flint sapphire]

solid all around

[cyan ravine]

this is insane to me tho

1440p high setup for under 1K

[flint sapphire]

900 for a 7700

god damn

[cyan ravine]

7700XT is worth at 400

still kinda not as great as a 500 7800XT

[flint sapphire]

id maybe bump up the nvme to the gen 4

[cyan ravine]

oh yeah agree

I'm just throwing lists out roughly here

[flint sapphire]

agree to agree then

[cyan ravine]

agree to agree

@dreamy obsidian now that I'm done making lists, what's up

[dreamy obsidian]

Alright so

My psu blew up last month and I got the rma

I tried to turn it on and only the ram rgb lights up

tried clearing cmos and no work

[cyan ravine]

doesn't switch on at all?

no response at all?

??

[dreamy obsidian]

like so

I see the gpu is connect to power

but beside that and ram rgb

Nothing

No fans no boot nothing

[cyan ravine]

have you tried the paperclip test

[dreamy obsidian]

No shot I gotta do it again 😭 I just got the psu back

doesn’t the ram rgb run off the motherboard power?

[cyan ravine]

yes

but the psu won't power on and do standard checks if it's shot

my first inkling would be to unplug it from everything but the power and do the paperclip test with the 24 pin

check the fan spins

if it does

decent chance it's ok, but something else has a problem

which then leads to a meticulous test of taking stuff out, swapping stuff out until you find the problem child

I've had enough broken psus in my lifetime to know my way around the shop on this one sadly

[dreamy obsidian]

no way they sent me a broken psu 😭😭

[cyan ravine]

did it pass the paperclip test

[dreamy obsidian]

I’ll do it now

Metal paper clip correct?

and do I plug it from the psu or motherboard

or both

*unplug

[cyan ravine]

@wide sparrow

[cyan ravine]

unplug from everything

but the wall

[dreamy obsidian]

alright

[cyan ravine]

if it doesn't pass the paperclip test, let it be known that yes, brands do often send back the same unit and not look at RMA's

it's nasty behaviour, but fault of the worker as much as it is the business

@earnest olive

[dreamy obsidian]

first this shi blows up on me after a month and now it’s broken? 😭😭

[cyan ravine]

It's just supposition

wouldn't be the first time I've seen it tho

give it a test and see how you go

[dreamy obsidian]

do I need to unplug the psu power

[cyan ravine]

no

that needs to be in

but everything else unplugged

[wide sparrow]

whats going on

[cyan ravine]

dealt with

all good

[wide sparrow]

ok

[dreamy obsidian]

can I plug it out and back in my table is a tad small so I prolly do this on thr ground

[crimson zinc]

(I ghost pinged when it was happening gg)

[cyan ravine]

whatever you need to do

[dreamy obsidian]

alr

how deep does it need to be in ??

[cyan ravine]

doesn't really matter as long as it's firm

damn take that out of context

[dreamy obsidian]

mb mb 😭😭

[cursive wharf]

Bad ascii art

[dreamy obsidian]

bro it’s not spinning 😭😭

[cyan ravine]

Lmao

Time to make an angry phone call

[dreamy obsidian]

bro no way

[cyan ravine]

you turned it on right

[dreamy obsidian]

yea

psu is on

[cyan ravine]

yeah goose might be cooked lad

who'd you rma it with?

[dreamy obsidian]

Thermaltake

😐

[cyan ravine]

get on the holler and tell them it ain't fixed

[dreamy obsidian]

no shot I gotta pay even more shipping

😭😭

[cyan ravine]

no way

ask them to pay

you already paid for it bro

not your fault

what would confirm this to me

is if you went and bought a cheap psu

and tested with that instead

[dreamy obsidian]

ain’t got the funds rn brother

[cyan ravine]

understandable

it's definitely looking like it's the problem child tho

[dreamy obsidian]

dude no way

[cyan ravine]

unless thermaltake for some reason doesn't bake that feature in

[dreamy obsidian]

maybe I did the trick wrong

they don’t even work on the weekends

[cyan ravine]

damn good TT psu as well

[dreamy obsidian]

anything else I can try

[cyan ravine]

looked right to me

[cyan ravine]

well as I said before

[cyan ravine]

^

[dreamy obsidian]

perchance the cpu is fried?

[cyan ravine]

but I'm wagering a good 90% it's the psu still

maybe

when a psu pops anything can happen

literally anything could be at fault

[dreamy obsidian]

Maybe I should’ve went for the prebuilt 😭

[cyan ravine]

but if the psu can't even pass the basic test then it's suspect

[cyan ravine]

counterpoint

a lot of prebuilts turn up broken too

gpus ripped out the socket

[dreamy obsidian]

true

[cyan ravine]

bends and scratches

broken cpu coolers

ripped mobos

bob's your uncle on that one

[dreamy obsidian]

😭😭

[cyan ravine]

there's a good chance something else is also damaged but I'm really suspect of the psu

it just sucks man

I been there

[dreamy obsidian]

if it is I still got my warranty’s ig

[cyan ravine]

my 12th gen pc I spent 4 months RMA'ing

[dreamy obsidian]

nah wtf

[cyan ravine]

that was pain

[dreamy obsidian]

why did it take so long

[cyan ravine]

things kept breaking

[flint sapphire]

[cyan ravine]

cos of a busted psu

[dreamy obsidian]

it took TT like 2 weeks to get it and delivery

so

[cyan ravine]

the PSU passed the paperclip test but it kept frying cpus and ram

[dreamy obsidian]

I’m not tryna do my school@work on a Chromebook no more

😭😭

[cyan ravine]

I went through 3 12900k's

and multiple ram sets

bought a second board

I know the feeling lmao

[dreamy obsidian]

yea I don’t got the funds for all dat 😭

you think I should try bring it to a shop

[cyan ravine]

uh

[dreamy obsidian]

🤷

[cyan ravine]

rma the psu again

if it doesn't work

contact gamersnexus

they'll fix you up

[dreamy obsidian]

more shipping money

😭😭

[cyan ravine]

they like to help people in need when companies are 💩

[cyan ravine]

again they should pay for it

not fair to you that you still have a broken psu

you paid your due

[dreamy obsidian]

prolly gonna email them and call them on Monday

[cyan ravine]

alr

if you get the chance

$50 apevia prestige 600W

you could use that as a test unit

return when done

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mnVmP6/msi-mag-a550bn-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-mag-a550bn

[dreamy obsidian]

is 550 enough

[cyan ravine]

for powering on to bios

yes

[wide sparrow]

ok. thanks for the ping

[cursive wharf]

I mean I wasnt the one who pinged mods. I was unexisting at the time.

[mossy venture]

Honestly when you talk to customer support, try to get a refund

[cursive wharf]

I just have my ways of knowing what happened is all

[cyan ravine]

I'd be making the push for something like that yeah

[dreamy obsidian]

😭

[cyan ravine]

free shipping or refund

not fair to you

[mossy venture]

Better yet, both.

[dreamy obsidian]

you get warranty on the replacement right?

[cyan ravine]

OFC

They'd die in a corporate bloodbath if they didn't

[earnest olive]

what happen

[cursive wharf]

@earnest olive

[earnest olive]

oh

[dreamy obsidian]

I’m just gonna plug everything back in and see if a miracle happens and it turns on 😭

[earnest olive]

sorry was eating

[cursive wharf]

Wow, cant believe you arent working 24/7 without pay. Bad mod smh my head.

[earnest olive]

actually I'm not working with very high pay

we just got a raise to 800k theocoins/month

[cyan ravine]

lol

[cursive wharf]

Damn now you abusing the system? Typically corrupt mod smh my head

[dreamy obsidian]

I’m just gonna continue to use my Xbox while waiting

[cyan ravine]

my condolences

[earnest olive]

hey man being a discord jannie is tiring work

gotta take a 4 month vacation every 17 weeks

we are the unsung heroes of the internet... you wouldn't get it

do you have any idea how much work it is just to get my beautiful 900 lbs discord mod frame in front of my special discord moderating desk every morning

I have 6 vertical monitors, 6 keyboards, and a swivel chair set up so I can rapidly moderate 6 servers at the same time

and a bottle of mountain dew in front of each for easy access

each monitor hooked up to a separate PC with a 14900KS with only 1 core enabled at 6.5ghz running tiny10 and connected to 10 gigabit fiber so I can see messages with minimal latency

and of course, 48gb ddr5-9600c30

[dreamy obsidian]

@cyan ravine my grandpas friend has an extra 550w psu, should I try to use that and test it?

[earnest olive]

the minimum requirements for chromium

[earnest olive]

do you know what model it is?

[cyan ravine]

sure

just for bios test

[dreamy obsidian]

Nope

[cyan ravine]

don't use it for windows

[dreamy obsidian]

I just asked if he had any extra

[earnest olive]

some psus labelled 500w/550w are really sketchy

so that's why I'm asking

[dreamy obsidian]

He works for digital storm so idk 🤷

[cyan ravine]

if just to power on, it's ok, but yeah what he said, anything else could be risky af

[earnest olive]

ah might be one of their OEM units then

probably won't blow up lol

worth a shot

[dreamy obsidian]

I’ll go see what it is

Rb

Rn

[earnest olive]

it is not in the best financial interests of a boutique builder to have customer builds blowing up

[dreamy obsidian]

It’s a Corsair CX500. Do I even try to use it

@cyan ravine

[cyan ravine]

omg that's a hella old cx

for bios only it's probably ok if you don't have like a 4090 in there with a 14900k

[dreamy obsidian]

what happens if I don’t boot bios fast enough 😭

[cyan ravine]

cos idek if the powerOK test would spike either of those

[cyan ravine]

remove the ssd first then it won't happen

[dreamy obsidian]

I didn’t get the power cable

yikes

can I use a different one?

[cyan ravine]

heheheh

no

needs the one that came with it

that's an immediate no from me dawg

[dreamy obsidian]

😭

yea I’ll prolly off testing

don’t want more rmas

[earnest olive]

I think he means the wall cable? cause that PSU is non modular

[dreamy obsidian]

yea the wall cable

[earnest olive]

wall cables are standardized should be fine

dunno how much I would trust my PC with that PSU though

[dreamy obsidian]

I have an extra one from my old psu

[dreamy obsidian]

R5 7600 and a 1080 ti, you think it’s okay?

[cyan ravine]

oh that would be fine

[earnest olive]

yeah, if you wanna be extra safe you could remove the 1080ti

7600 has integrated graphics

[cyan ravine]

you can go to windows with just the cpu

even the gpu tbh but it depends on the settings

[dreamy obsidian]

would I be able to use my old power cable or no?

[cursive wharf]

Cant believe you arent using Fast Ethernet (100Mbps). Fast Ethernet is truly the fastest of all fasts.

[earnest olive]

yes

power cable from wall to PSU is standard and you can safely mix and match

power cable from PSU to PC components is not standard and you can start a fire by mixing and matching

[dreamy obsidian]

😭

uhh I guess I’ll maybe try it out

should I try the paper clip on the crappy 500w?

[earnest olive]

I mean doesn't hurt as long as you know which pins lol

[dreamy obsidian]

16-17 counting from left to right correct?

[south cliff]

Ok I got the gpu and it works but when I benchmarked it in r6 the display kinda shut off and on a few times

Yeah I run firmer and it did it one time

I’m going to reposted it

[south cliff]

Repaste

[wide sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/whaatt-what-gif-12988081

[little osprey]

Is crossfire and SLI still useful now

[mossy venture]

No

[limber oyster]

Current build: Ryzen 7 5700x, 2x16GB 3600mhz cl16 ram, ASRock Taichi OC 6800xt, 1440p 165hz Samsung monitor. Looking to go MSI 4k 144hz. How much performance gain would I get going Sapphire Nitro plus 7900xtx?

[cyan ravine]

the cpu would be a bit bottlenecked to get the full performance

XTX is also about a 4K120 card at low settings

AMA, I use that exact card at 4K

Would argue it's probably more worth it at this point to do 1440p high with high fps

Like a 1440p 240Hz OLED

Definitely strike a nicer chord with it, unless you EVC mod it, then it's def a 4K card through and through

[limber oyster]

Evc?

[cyan ravine]

external voltage controller

basically lets you send 700W through the card

[limber oyster]

Ahh

[cyan ravine]

it can handle it just fine if the cooling is up to par

[limber oyster]

I'll be going liquid cooling day 1

[cyan ravine]

basically gives the XTX more raster than a 4090

[limber oyster]

Already got parts picked out

[cyan ravine]

fair warning, only use PTM7950, liquid metal or Kryosheet when changing the cooler

anything else pumps out and dries out in 2 months

the XTX is simply too hot of a card

[limber oyster]

Ahh

[cyan ravine]

Me and many others went through this pain

I would also opt not for the nitro imo

[limber oyster]

What's ptm7950?

[cyan ravine]

it's like the best paste ever made

you get it from moddiy

or some rare good amazon articles

[limber oyster]

And why not nitro+? I thought it was the best 7900xtx

[cyan ravine]

ehhhh

kinda?

It's not best outright

if you're going to liquid cool, the merc is better tbh

[limber oyster]

What would you recommend that's 320mm and under length wise?

[cyan ravine]

why does it need to be 320mm

[limber oyster]

Case length.

[cyan ravine]

what case is this going into

[limber oyster]

My 6800xt Taichi barely fits and I had to remove everything off the motherboard to get it to fit

[cyan ravine]

what case

[limber oyster]

Cyberpower PC FANG battlebox

Actually, if I'm liquid cooling, it should still fit

Most water blocks are shorter than the air cooler

And thinner

[cyan ravine]

man bing is just hopeless for this

[limber oyster]

Hm?

What you trying to do?

[cyan ravine]

trying to pull up a pcb measurement

[limber oyster]

Ahh

To give a visual, this is my Taichi OC 6800xt

[cyan ravine]

I think the phantom gaming would fit if you blocked it

they would be the same in performance

the upsell for the nitro is the cooler, no point at all in buying nitro if you waterblock it

they're electrically the same

same vbios

[limber oyster]

Ah

[cyan ravine]

binning is down to luck

[limber oyster]

Aren't most of the boards the same size?

[cyan ravine]

it fits

I can basically confirm it fits

[cyan ravine]

no some are longer

Merc is long af

[limber oyster]

Ahh

Ok

[cyan ravine]

they're all the same reference spec just about

but they use different revisions

[limber oyster]

How long is the Merc?

[cyan ravine]

like 345

lol

[limber oyster]

Is that including the cooler?

[cyan ravine]

it's arguably the best from all the data I've seen

yea

[limber oyster]

Or just the pcb

[cyan ravine]

oh it might fit on a block

[limber oyster]

PCB might fit with the block

[cyan ravine]

mm

[limber oyster]

Block might make it like 250 or something like that

[cyan ravine]

where did I put the card lol

[limber oyster]

Let me see the block length, I'll look it up real quick

[cyan ravine]

actually it would fit

345mm long

looking at it in front of me it cuts like 3cm off

maybe even 4 or 5

that or the phantom gaming imo

either of those would be good on a block

though

I would consider ample cooling

[limber oyster]

It'd fit

287mm block lenthh

[cyan ravine]

just being on water isn't necessarily amazing

[limber oyster]

*length

That's plenty

[cyan ravine]

XTX does really well on water but you need PTM

[limber oyster]

I kinda want to go rtx, but I don't wanna pay RTX tax

[cyan ravine]

Though when all's said and done, I would say it's not an amazing jump from XT to XTX if you ask me

6800XT kinda better $/fps imo

[limber oyster]

Id 100% go 4090 if I didn't have to deal with the 12VHWPR thingy and the tax

[cyan ravine]

anyway I'd do that

You could also just consider one of the cheaper good vbios XTX's and keep them on air

[limber oyster]

Ehh

[cyan ravine]

if you aren't EVC'ing then water is kinda unnecessary

[limber oyster]

My 6800xt hits like 98°C rn

[cyan ravine]

two totally different architectures

[analog hearth]

Yikes

[limber oyster]

I might just water cool the 6800xt at this point if you're saying it's not worth upgrading

[cyan ravine]

the nitro is the same temp on air as it is on water btw

alphacool block

if you want a gauge of what the improvement would be here lol

idk, might be better in your sff case due to flow channelling

but in a vacuum water doesn't do a lot for these cards

[limber oyster]

Vacuum?

[cyan ravine]

ye

remove all other variables

[limber oyster]

What vacuum?

Ooh

[cyan ravine]

it's a metaphor lol

[limber oyster]

I mean find me a comparable priced 4090 and I'll go that

[cyan ravine]

I'm not

plus 4080 super

[limber oyster]

Might just wait longer and go strix 4090...

[cyan ravine]

doesn't fit lol

also with a 5700X you'd be hoping it doesn't struggle at 4K

[limber oyster]

4090 would fit with block

[cyan ravine]

that's a lot of power for an SFF

I'd argue you'd have heat problems

[limber oyster]

I have heat problems now 😂

[cyan ravine]

yeah well don't double your power then

[limber oyster]

I'm also on air cooling

[cyan ravine]

4090's don't get better with water

in fact they get worse a lot of them

[limber oyster]

The 240mm and a 120 will be for the GPU alone

[cyan ravine]

I can preach to you rn as I'm on both a 4090 and an XTX with alphacool blocks

it's not a wild change over air

[limber oyster]

Ah

[cyan ravine]

they stay basically the same

[limber oyster]

That's weird

[cyan ravine]

well that's what happens when you ship them with 4 slot coolers

lol

[limber oyster]

Fair

Wish I could change case, but cant

[cyan ravine]

if you can do it with ptm, blocking an XTX is fine

[dusky hearth]

imagine not custom loop 120mm rad frfr

[cyan ravine]

Though you will still get core temps in the 70's

and potentially a hotspot over 30C delta

[limber oyster]

120 AND 240

[cyan ravine]

cos the power draw is ridiculous

I'm on what

triple 360?

[limber oyster]

Oof

[cyan ravine]

it still gets hot yo

[limber oyster]

Damn

[cyan ravine]

plenty of factors here more than just the rad size

but I'm ripping the bandaid off for you here

so you can consider this a lateral change rather than an improvement

these cards are solid on air

If you intend to EVC mod though, you want water

at that point water is arguably better

[cyan ravine]

you're talking hotspot btw?

[limber oyster]

My setup space

[limber oyster]

No

[cyan ravine]

core??

that's choked

[dusky hearth]

💀

[cyan ravine]

taichi is not that bad lol

[limber oyster]

Hot spot was like 108

[dusky hearth]

yikes

[limber oyster]

Yeah

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-thats-hot-cool-amazed-gif-13488740

[limber oyster]

That's why any upgrade will be water-cooled day one

[dusky hearth]

i mean

[limber oyster]

Or if I don't upgrade I'll still water cool

[cyan ravine]

The problem might be the case lad

lol

[limber oyster]

I might just skip the CPU cooler and just do 420mm cooling

[limber oyster]

Find me a sff case that fits that area and my hardware needs

[cyan ravine]

what pc parts have you got

[limber oyster]

I listed them earlier

[limber oyster]

Here

[cyan ravine]

?

[limber oyster]

Motherboard is a Asus ROG b550-i

[cyan ravine]

still missing a bunch of parts

there we go

cooler

psu

ram specific names

ssd's and storage

[limber oyster]

I forget what cooler, I think its a Thermaltake with some off brand unifans

PSU is an Asus Loki 850w

[cyan ravine]

storage

[limber oyster]

Ram is.... silicone Power. Storage is a 1TB Samsung 980 pro and a 2tb SK P41

I have 4 of the fans

[cyan ravine]

so you want a handle yes

[limber oyster]

Preferable

[cyan ravine]

https://hyte.com/store/revolt-3?v=84

boop

[limber oyster]

I've thought about it honestly

[cyan ravine]

boop

https://www.jonsplus.com/products/z20b.html

way I see it is you'll watercool in that current case and things won't get any better

it's a carry case first, pc second

whereas these are more hybrid based, good airflow

[limber oyster]

Yeah, I got it cause I used to fly almost weekly and I wanted something more durable than laptop but still portable

This case actually got through TSA without any issues

[cyan ravine]

if you feel a little unhinged

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GWkWGX/streacom-da6-xl-mini-itx-test-bench-case-st-da6b-xl

[limber oyster]

Ew no

I have 4 furry babies

No open cases

Big no

[cyan ravine]

big handlebar tho

lol

[limber oyster]

No

[cyan ravine]

boop

a

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KjbRsY/cooler-master-qube-500-flatpack-macaron-edition-atx-mid-tower-case-q500-dgnn-s00

[limber oyster]

I have a German shepherd/dingo mix, a Bassett hound heeler mix, a calico, and a Tom cat.

[dusky hearth]

what do you mean no, that is indeed a big handlebar

[limber oyster]

Just imagine all the fur

[dusky hearth]

there's no denying the size of that handlebar

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g6yH99/cooler-master-qube-500-flatpack-atx-mid-tower-case-q500-kgnn-s00

[dusky hearth]

frfr

[limber oyster]

Honestly, I wish Asus made an itx version of the gt502

[dusky hearth]

honestly speaking you could probably just drill some holes into any case, and bolt on a nylon strap or smth and call that a handle just fine

[cyan ravine]

fr

do it to this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pfvdnQ/sama-im01-microatx-mini-tower-case-im01

[limber oyster]

Already done

[cyan ravine]

is that your gpu intake

[limber oyster]

Ues

*yes

Used to be solid

[dusky hearth]

that explains alot

[cyan ravine]

well that explains why it's dying

lol

not nearly enough air

[limber oyster]

I'm thinking of just cutting the middle out

[dusky hearth]

epoxy a mesh screen over the hole

[limber oyster]

Or magnet

[cyan ravine]

or just get one of the cases I listed and we can avoid excessive jank

lmao

[limber oyster]

I like jank

You should see how I wired my car speakers

[cyan ravine]

Even I have a bar I don't cross, as cheap as I am

[limber oyster]

And cut the inner door to make em fit

[cyan ravine]

boop

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zq3NnQ/asus-prime-ap201-microatx-mini-tower-case-prime-ap201-tg-bk

little sizeable for travel tho

but doable

[limber oyster]

Not carry on size tho

[cyan ravine]

you could mod a handle and casters onto it

[limber oyster]

My current one fits under the plane seats

[dusky hearth]

i think you would want to avoid glass side panels for travel

[cyan ravine]

revolt 3 would fit

100%

that's smaller than a backpack

typical flight restrictions usually do some 420mm length backpacks iirc

standardised across the world

yeah here we go

560mm x 360mm x 230mm

revolt is 409mmx253mmx178mm

it 100% fits under that seat lol

know this as I have a bag that is made to be the exact maximum for carry on restrictions

fits under an airplane seat very easily

[limber oyster]

I store my HDMI, mouse, and controller inside the Battlebox when I fly

Keyboard goes into my suitcase

[cyan ravine]

just put the hdmi mouse and controller in the suitcase

ez

[limber oyster]

Lol

[cyan ravine]

you aren't gonna be playing games with it until you're at a hotel

[limber oyster]

I am definitely gonna get custom length CableMods at some point too

[dusky hearth]

how many watts can those airplane sockets even handle again? like 30 watts?

[cyan ravine]

god idk lmao

if it was that bad, just get a steam deck and call it a day

lol

[dusky hearth]

oop

[cyan ravine]

wow smh

[dusky hearth]

lmfao

[limber oyster]

I thought about doing the meshilicous...but...too much mesh

[dusky hearth]

???

[cyan ravine]

that's kinda the point

lol

[limber oyster]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wNXJ7P/ssupd-meshroom-s-wpcie-40-riser-atx-mini-tower-case-41860124180664

Similar to this

[cyan ravine]

more or less the revolt without a handle and more mesh

[dusky hearth]

doesnt want open air case because of pets
doesnt want mesh because it's too much mesh

[limber oyster]

I don't want the whole thing be mesh

I feel like I'd poke it wrong and I'd break or rip something

[cyan ravine]

well you definitely don't want solid as we've seen

98C

[limber oyster]

I think I'm too picky

The case I want just doesn't exist

[dusky hearth]

well

there is a reason why people make custom cases

[limber oyster]

That's outside my wheel house

[dusky hearth]

honestly speaking, it's not too hard

you can technically cut out parts from existing cases to use for your own case (which will look a bit more jank)

[limber oyster]

Also, Felix, imma be swapping to a 5900x, got one floating around the house. So I'm not worried about the 5700x

[cyan ravine]

Doesn't really change my answer to how the gpu could be bottlenecked

[limber oyster]

Even with a Ryzen 9?

[cyan ravine]

In games they're basically the same

Mhm

Games use 6-8 cores max

Only simulation games like civ, star citizen etc

Use more

Rare exceptions

It's the whole reason why intel use 8p cores and ryzen uses 8 core ccd's

[limber oyster]

I play Forza horizon 5, 7 days to die, Generation Zero, and such like that so...

[cyan ravine]

So 6 cores

[limber oyster]

Ah

[cyan ravine]

So the result is basically the same

5700x3d is like, scraping it in for an XTX at 1440p

Any lower and it's very obviously cpu bottlenecked

[limber oyster]

I, for a split second, debated the i9-14900ks

[cyan ravine]

At that point you want a 7900xt cos it'll give nearly the same.result

[limber oyster]

But there's no way id be able to cool it in a sff case

[cyan ravine]

That thing throttles even in a loop

[limber oyster]

Yeah

That beast would well and truly melt my case

[cyan ravine]

Actually to make a reasonable point here @limber oyster

7900xt would max out a 5700x

Only some 16%-ish slower than an xtx

But it's also into the 600's for price iirc

[limber oyster]

Also, I should probably change my name...I don't own the 3080 anymore

[cyan ravine]

The coolers are also similar

[limber oyster]

What model 7800xt would you recommend?

I'd lean the tuf just because Asus...but ASRock is decent too. As is xfx

[cyan ravine]

7900xt

Cheapest that fits tbh

[limber oyster]

Yeah that, sorry

Multitasking

[cyan ravine]

The only standout one is the phantom gaming

It's the highest vbios

[limber oyster]

👍

[cyan ravine]

If that won't fit, just a decent cheap one like sapphire pulse

[mossy venture]

Hellhound/hellhound oc are also good iirc

Above average anyways, not that it matters much

[cyan ravine]

Cheapest decent +revolt would make a pretty solid build imo

No more jank 😂

[limber oyster]

I love jank!

You should've seen my first car

[pliant grove]

Hey everybody. I was hoping someone could give me a bit of advice. I want to build a new PC. Yesterday I went and picked out all my parts and saved them in my Newegg wishlist. My main concern is the power supply. The Newegg calculator says 700 to 799w for my build but the power supply I saved is a 1000w. Is that too much? Any recommendations?

[south cliff]

can you send your build?

[pliant grove]

I'll do my best. Gonna be some copy and pasting so bear with me and thank you very much for the help.

[south cliff]

alright your welcome

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list

^put parts in here, send the link it generates

[pliant grove]

Ok thank you. I am VERY new here.

[south cliff]

your all good

[pliant grove]

Ok so I saved my parts list. How do I get it over to you guys?

[south cliff]

there should be a link at the top to send

[pliant grove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Seachedda/saved/#

[south cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sF8TwP

it should look something like this

[pliant grove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M2MDVW

That one?

[flint sapphire]

yup

[south cliff]

yes

[pliant grove]

Sweet

[south cliff]

What do you do?

or what are you using it for

the pc

[pliant grove]

I will be doing some game. I like flight simulator and FPS games. But I might be starting a business when I will be video chatting also.

Will this be a good gaming set up?

[south cliff]

1000 watts is plenty but you also dont need to buy the windows 11 key

you can find one for 20 dollars somewhere

[pliant grove]

Well that's good to know.

[south cliff]

and you could go to a 7800x3d and maybe get a 7900xtx

but im not the smartest

[obsidian wigeon]

for gaming you don't need a gen 5 ssd

[little osprey]

In the future do you look forward for a automatic pc builder that analyzes the parts and builds them automatically for you, or says "error" if it is it not possible or not compatible

[obsidian wigeon]

actually i can make a list real quick

[pliant grove]

I like to go overboard. It's my personality 🤪. I like to be ready for anything.

[obsidian wigeon]

it's overboard in a way you don't benefit

[south cliff]

you can save tho and get a better case or something

[obsidian wigeon]

or won't even as the parts get old

[little osprey]

^^ in several years it is possible to replace the mundane jobs

[flint sapphire]

very cool david

what about now

[south cliff]

i mean pc part picker tells you if something is not compatible

[pliant grove]

The last computer I built was in 2012 so this is like stepping into something new again. If you think I shouldn't go this route please do tell

[south cliff]

well you can just save 60 dollars

and get a gen 4

[pliant grove]

And I'm curious about this PC builder

[south cliff]

and there is no performance increase or anything

[flint sapphire]

its small price cuts here and there just for price to performance

[little osprey]

Theory: it scans the parts QR code (barcodes will no longer be used in the future) and you just select a few options on the builder screen and builder process will begin

[pliant grove]

I really just want to know that nothing is going to lag and stutter. That everything is going to process quickly with minimum delay.

[south cliff]

nothing will stutter or lag trust me

[flint sapphire]

no cap on god

[pliant grove]

Is there a link to that builder, David?

[little osprey]

It is a blueprint sir/madam

[obsidian wigeon]

gah i gotta sleep soon but

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9bghL9

here's my take

[cyan ravine]

@pliant grove
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t9mBt7

[obsidian wigeon]

case not chosen cuz i can't really decide rn lol

imma leave it to others

[pliant grove]

😆 already I appreciate the honesty.

Alright*

I just chose that case because it has plenty of room and pre built fans.

[south cliff]

that case is small

[cyan ravine]

Indeed it is

It's practically sff in fact

[south cliff]

montech air 903 base?

the one you put on my parts list is good

[cyan ravine]

?

Not sure what you're trying to ask me lol

[flint sapphire]

hmm https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v8ghL9 heres my bs

basically the same

[south cliff]

just saying could change the case to that one

[cyan ravine]

Could, tho it's extra money for no good reason

[pliant grove]

So do you guys know what the allowance is with going over the rated power supply wattage? Like if it recommends 799 and you go 1000 will it fry it?

[south cliff]

no

the pc part picker is more accurate im pretty sure

[cyan ravine]

I ignore the wattage and remember what life has taught me

850w is fine with 7800x3d+XTX

[south cliff]

i use 850 with my 7800x3d and 4080

[cyan ravine]

XTX is 550W nominal, 7800X3D is 88W nominal

Combined they're 638W

So 850W is even arguably overkill

[pliant grove]

So I'm looking more for like a 850w just to be safe. A little over but not too much.

[little osprey]

Free e book from MSI on how to build a PC for now, until "super auto builder" is invented

[pliant grove]

Awesome. Thank you, David.

[south cliff]

850 is more than enough

[cyan ravine]

Just stick to 7800X3D btw, going to the higher level X3D chip won't give any more fps in FS2020

7800X3D is the highest

Beats all others

[pliant grove]

I always just pick the newest highest models. It's a problem I know. I'm working on it

[cyan ravine]

7950x3d isn't really for the inexperienced either

I know a bunch of people that have had lots of issues with it (myself included)

[little osprey]

Are you on team N or team A for graphics

[cyan ravine]

Who

[south cliff]

im both

[lyric thistle]

team N/A

see what I did there

[cyan ravine]

I'm whoever is cheaper for the performance

[south cliff]

i agree

[cyan ravine]

They all work basically the same these days bar for a handful of things

[pliant grove]

Im guessing he means AMD

[cyan ravine]

Ye he means amd or nvidia

[flint sapphire]

personally a I guy over here

[cyan ravine]

In your case you want x3d+nvidia for fs2020

[south cliff]

more games like nvidia more than amd from my experiences

[cyan ravine]

Mehhhh not really true anymore

Since rdna 3 dropped that gap has reduced to a very very small number

[lyric thistle]

less games sabotage performance for nvidia than for amd

probably

[flint sapphire]

jedi survivor

[pliant grove]

Oh I thought amd was a good brand

[cyan ravine]

Amd is fine

But for your needs you'd be objectively better with nvidia here

[pliant grove]

Well s**t

[cyan ravine]

FS2020 is an nvidia cornerstone

[cyan ravine]

We go back to this lol

[pliant grove]

Ok so I need to change some stuff in my list.

[cyan ravine]

4080S should be more than enough for triple screen FS2020 1080p

Use dlss and tailored settings you'd maayyyybbbeee get 60fps on triple 1440

Can do 4K single screen

So if this sounds like too much there's always the motion of stepping down a notch or two

[pliant grove]

What if I want 120?

[cyan ravine]

120 you'd do 1080 triple or 1440p single

Maybe 1440p wide

It'd very doable from what I know

Always check benchmarks on these things, I could be off the mark a bit

[pliant grove]

Alright. So I'm gonna change some things on the list.

[cyan ravine]

The game most of all likes vcache cores

And X3D, all the cpus only have 1 vcache ccd

So a maximum of 8 on any chip has x3d

On top of latency problems and dual ccd behaviours 7800X3D usually comes out on top in this game because of this affecting the higher end chips

There are ways to get like for like performance with 7950x3d but it's complicated

And if you aren't doing like, video editing while playing games it's not really worth it to begin with

[pliant grove]

I just changed to the 7800x3d

[cyan ravine]

You can swap to the king95 case btw if you like it

[pliant grove]

That's the one I chose I think

The king95

[cyan ravine]

I think it's a very good case, just gave the alternative

Some people prefer the look, some prefer the money lol

For SSD, you don't need anything more than even a basic sata ssd

For the things you are planning to do, nothing leverages the speed of the ssd to justify faster

[south cliff]

i would recommend the 903 base air if looking for performance

[cyan ravine]

So even the MP44L I put was extreme overkill

[pliant grove]

I'm not looking to go extremely cheap. I want a quality build. If I have to pay a little extra I don't mind. It's just money. We don't take it with us when we kick the bucket.

[south cliff]

and price is good

[flint sapphire]

ooo fractal north?

[cyan ravine]

I listed everything with quality in mind

[flint sapphire]

get some class in a case?

[cyan ravine]

Quality ≠ higher price in the world of pc's

It's obviously somewhat relative

But gems exist even in the low end

[little osprey]

Actually you can pay for a fee for the computer store staff to build PC for you (extra prices for complex setups like water cooling) but that defeats the purpose of DIY

[flint sapphire]

youll find its more relative for peripherals and anything that may aesthetically change your pc

[cyan ravine]

Even for peripherals

[south cliff]

i wouldnt get the experience in building one and if something breaks you will know how to fix it

[pliant grove]

Yeah I enjoy putting it together and seeing my work finished.

[cyan ravine]

You get that occasional dirt cheap sale that is incredible

[south cliff]

like that 150 dollar 4tb m.2

i saw once

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KFvYYN

Bump

Oh wait we can pick the nicer 4080 now

There we go

[little osprey]

Intel i9-14900K(F) + NVidia 4090 is for the richest only at least they have enough income

[cyan ravine]

Changed board to fit the aesthetic

[cyan ravine]

Damn I must be loaded

[pliant grove]

🤣 $1000 video card

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

Your budget allowed it lol

[pliant grove]

Hell no

[flint sapphire]

theres a $2000 video card

[cyan ravine]

Bruv the list I just sent is 200 less than the one you first sent

Hell

400 less

Lol

[pliant grove]

No MS 11. Lol

[cyan ravine]

First list had no king95 price listed

[cyan ravine]

You don't pay for win11 these days

[flint sapphire]

well i mean

[stoic island]

Even if you get a license straight from Microsoft without any discount, it's cheaper

[pliant grove]

I'm glad you guys told me that. I do think I read that somewhere the other day too

[cyan ravine]

Oh I mean cough cough that's not right that's breaking the rules! Cough

[pliant grove]

I won't be buying that

[cyan ravine]

There are ways to get around the license

[flint sapphire]

we all paid for our windows keys yessir

[pliant grove]

I love breaking the rules. They are made to be broken. 😆

[flint sapphire]

nothing to see here

[stoic island]

But even with getting a proper license, you can typically get at least 50% off with educational discounts and such from various retailers

[pliant grove]

You know what. You guys just put a list together and I'll swipe the card today. My head hurts 😫

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XswpL9

Here's no $1000 card

But you take a good chunk of performance

The step down is like, 30%-ish

And 4070TiSuper is never worth it with 4070Ti around

[flint sapphire]

the good old super series

[pliant grove]

Flight simulator needs a good video card

[cyan ravine]

Well you're stuck between a handful of cards lol

4070 Ti, 4070 Super, 7900XT, XTX, 4080 Super

Give nvidia bias because it runs better

[pliant grove]

I feel like a monkey

[flint sapphire]

dance

wait

[pliant grove]

🤣

[cyan ravine]

Just pick how much you'd like to spend and it's easy to answer

Lol

[pliant grove]

Let's say $2000 then

What's a good power supply brand? I heard corsair poops out

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ryGwJy

Boop lol

[cyan ravine]

We never go by brand here

Every brand has diamonds

Every brand has literal firebombs

I use hwbusters, a lot of people here use cultists list (interpolated hwbusters)

[pliant grove]

You're going hard on that video card. No lag with that eh?

[cyan ravine]

You said 2k lol

[flint sapphire]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LwRR9c changed the case

[cyan ravine]

Yeah that works too

[pliant grove]

I don't know why I kinda like the king95

[south cliff]

fishbowl look

[cyan ravine]

Have you checked out the nv5 phanteks

Another similar style case

[flint sapphire]

its all preference i just am a fractal shill

[south cliff]

nv5 was good when i had it

[cyan ravine]

Jeez that must've been like 20 minutes

It only came out like last week

[south cliff]

like 2 months

no

i had it

[cyan ravine]

Omg DISCORD

/S IS THAT SO HARD TO TYPE

Jfc

Lmfao

[pliant grove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9VMDVW

[south cliff]

worst part was the cable managment

i had so many cables i did the push down method

[cyan ravine]

The ram, board, ssd and cooler are all unnecessary

Don't need to spend nearly as much

[south cliff]

could get a bundle from newegg

[cyan ravine]

I just about matched the performance with the list I keep sending to all of those parts

Good bundle
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4638210

[pliant grove]

You think that motherboard is too much?

[cyan ravine]

X670E is for people who work as content creators or need extreme storage/gpu solutions

Multi gpu

Ssd cards

Terabytes and terabytes of storage

Not to mention the board is built like 10x over the spec

[pliant grove]

What if I end up getting a drone or doing video editing? Or learn coding?

[cyan ravine]

Way way overkill, 0% performance difference to the b650's

[pliant grove]

All the what ifs 😆

[cyan ravine]

I'd recommend an nvidia card...lol

[pliant grove]

Ok ill change it.

Which nvidia again?

[cyan ravine]

4080 super tuf or 4070ti trinity

Or 4070 super asus dual oc

[south cliff]

4080 super

[cyan ravine]

Depends how much you feel like spending, all 3 are good, but the more you spend the more performance you get

[pliant grove]

Give me the good one

[cyan ravine]

Those are the good ones for each

[pliant grove]

You have to decide for me. 😆 I can't think anymore

[cyan ravine]

At this point in time rn, those are good

Well ok 4080 super tuf tbh

Cos fs2020 justifies a good gpu

And it's a well built $1000 card

[pliant grove]

I'm not familiar with fs2020. What is that?

[cyan ravine]

Flight sim

Lol wait

Have I been saying this the whole time and just sounding confusing?

[pliant grove]

😆 oh hahahahaha

[cyan ravine]

Lmao

[pliant grove]

Ok I'm familiar

I play it on my Xbox series x

[cyan ravine]

Lol this will be a huge upgrade then

[pliant grove]

Ok so I'm trying to find the 4080 super tuf on the list. Not finding it

Rtx 4080 super

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kppQzy/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4080s-16g-gaming

[pliant grove]

Ah thank you my friend.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XMJPdH

[cyan ravine]

Still quite a ways over 2K

The cooler I listed earlier is more than enough for a 7800x3d

Or if you want a dual tower, peerless assassin basically beats all

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M3BzK8/thermalright-assassin-x-120-plus-v2-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-v2-plus

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3

Peerless is better than ak620

But all 3 coolers will hit the same temps on 7800x3d pretty much

[pliant grove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CBsWL9

You shout it out and I'll change it

[cyan ravine]

For games, the ssd is overkill and even something as cheap as an mx500 will be too fast for FS2020

Loading times will be virtually the same

If you want to video edit, gen 4 is good enough, plenty beat 990 for less

[pliant grove]

I don't want to go HDD

[cyan ravine]

Like MP44L and FX900 pro

[cyan ravine]

Never mentioned hdd

[pliant grove]

Ok gotcha

[cyan ravine]

These are all ssds

Hdd is pain

Lol

[pliant grove]

Totally understand now

Do you have to partition the ssd when installing windows?

[cyan ravine]

No video edit:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C3xbt6/team-mp33-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6002t0c101
Great Video edit:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2VJgXL/teamgroup-mp44l-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpk002t0c101
Best video edit:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mnxRsY/hp-fx900-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-4a3u1aaabb

[cyan ravine]

It should do it for you

[pliant grove]

Oh ok that's good to know.

Out of those ssds you sent. Which one is the best one? Highest performance.

[cyan ravine]

Fx900 pro

[pliant grove]

I want the best

[cyan ravine]

Fx900 pro is comparable to 990 or 980 pro

But without the samsung scandals, price scamming and dead drive risks

Coming from me with so much samsung crap lmao

Finally the ram

64gb is def overkill, 32gb is ideal

However if you want long term

Since flight sim players usually go long term

[pliant grove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4JCKQP

[cyan ravine]

48gb is recommendable

But not strictly necessary

[pliant grove]

I was just gonna ask about the ram

I love me some ram

[cyan ravine]

64 is good if you were doing like, 4k editing

But if you're not doing it for work

32 is fine

48 is overkill

[pliant grove]

48 it is. 🤣

[flint sapphire]

👀 24gb sticks?

thats rad af

[cyan ravine]

Great
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae
Nice
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LTcG3C/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-ff3d532g5600hc32dc01
The horse is dead
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DpDQzy/gskill-trident-z5-neo-rgb-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f24gx2-tz5nr

48 is also quite a bit more pricey over 32

Almost double

[flint sapphire]

but

like no1 uses it and youll be unique

[pliant grove]

The horse is dead? 🤣

[cyan ravine]

Cos this exists

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xJV2FT/oloy-blade-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-nd5u3264320irkde

Basically same price but 16gb more

I'd personally do 32gb tho

[pliant grove]

But why when you can have more? 😆

[cyan ravine]

I mean, you can always have more of anything lol

You also have two other ram slots

You could add more later if you find yourself needing more

[pliant grove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F3cF9c

How's this looking?

[cyan ravine]

Looking 10x better

Change ram to this if you'll do 48
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xJV2FT/oloy-blade-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-nd5u3264320irkde

[pliant grove]

So do you guys not like the king95?

[cyan ravine]

I don't mind the king95

[flint sapphire]

i think its fine

[cyan ravine]

Arguably one of the better cases

Did you check out the phanteks nv5?

[flint sapphire]

all personal preferance again

[pliant grove]

I honestly picked it because of the fans and the room.

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tXhv6h/phanteks-nv5-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-nv523tg_dbk01

[pliant grove]

I did look at the nv5 but looks like I'd have to buy separate fans

[cyan ravine]

Ah alr

Fair enough

[pliant grove]

And kind of plain looking to me

I really want to keep everything cool. Don't want any overheating accidents

[cyan ravine]

So list should look like this now
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Twrnh3

Trust me nothing would overheat lol

Haven't been doing this for years for nothing

If you want to fill out the case a little more, and add a little colour

Add this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MzMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se-argb

[pliant grove]

That looks awesome and you even changed the ram for me.

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

Just a warning

The case price isn't showing up

Lol

[pliant grove]

I am liking the bling bling lights

[cyan ravine]

So it's not counted to the total

[pliant grove]

I thing the case is on backorder

That's what it says on newegg