building-and-recc-chat

[tawny violet]

:3

[cyan ravine]

Damn

Well I definitely don't need that much

Wait what do you use the second pc for

Is it just the elgato doing codec?

I don't see a gpu

Only igpu and card

Get an a580

Run the encode through that

You can still use the elgato all the same

[tawny violet]

I'm probably going to move to a 500gb Gen 4 NVME for the OS and associated crap
the 1tb Gen 3 NVME for games I play the most
a 1TB SATA SSD for games I play less often/Steam/Epic/GOG library
And a 2TB HDD for bulk storage

[cyan ravine]

(I have the same one so)

[cyan ravine]

No point to that

As I say to many, unless you specifically need a gen 4 for workloads

Or you have a cheap upgrade on the table of a few dollars worth

Gen 4 is pointless

[tawny violet]

That 500gb Gen 4 is cheaper than same size Gen 3s

for some reason

[cyan ravine]

Yea but is it good tho

You can have gen 4 spec but bad

[tawny violet]

WD Blue SN580 500GB

[cyan ravine]

Oh rip, itx

[cyan ravine]

Ok decent

But still my point stands

[tawny violet]

and it is CHEAP rn

[cyan ravine]

Eh

[tawny violet]

Are you gonna go all iCUE Link?

[cyan ravine]

Ohhhhh

Oh right it's a dual system

[cyan ravine]

Pls no

[tawny violet]

ROFL

[cyan ravine]

AHHHHH

[tawny violet]

I KNEW IT

GET SMACKED FELIX

at least it's the better Corsair ecosystem

old Corsair iCUE was such a pile of majestic horse dung

oh no I mean the old Corsair iCue with the Commanders and repeaters

iCue Link makes things somewhat better

iCue still kinda bad software tho

[cyan ravine]

I hate icue lmao

The usb ones make it worse

$50 per fan for yes, better

But $50

[tawny violet]

You'll need like at least 3 hubs for filling everything up

[cyan ravine]

Their link aios are like $600

that's a whole gpu

[tawny violet]

that's a 6800 XT

[cyan ravine]

It drives me mad

Lmao

[tawny violet]

like straight up a 6800 XT

[cyan ravine]

It's a 4070 super

[tawny violet]

for an AIO

[cyan ravine]

For a mid performance aio at that

The H aios haven't really improved in years

[tawny violet]

6800 XT for me cuz currency and taxes

still
It's crazy

[cyan ravine]

The phantom spirit evo dual tower beats the h150i

[tawny violet]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

That ain't gonna work chief

[cyan ravine]

That's arguably a lot better software wise imo

But my experience with unifans aren't great

[tawny violet]

iCue Link doesn't work with Lian Li Unifans last I checked

[cyan ravine]

Yeah we know

[tawny violet]

so if you have anything Corsair too

You're boned

[cyan ravine]

Lconnect

Ye

[tawny violet]

peripherals?

[cyan ravine]

Omg you won me back

❤️

[tawny violet]

like Corsair keebs/mice and so on?

[cyan ravine]

That's such a sigma thing to do

[tawny violet]

Wait a sec Felix

[cyan ravine]

Buy icue stuff then specifically not use it

[tawny violet]

Just wait for it

[cyan ravine]

Yeah he probably does

[tawny violet]

I think he'll have both Lian Li and Corsair software on it lmao

[cyan ravine]

The 1000D is an exception

Also dominators...

[tawny violet]

Heh

[cyan ravine]

Ye but icue

[tawny violet]

I believe Corsair RAM cannot be controlled by mobo

only iCue

[cyan ravine]

Ik

[tawny violet]

You still need iCue installed to work with Armory Crate

and Lian Li does NOT work with iCue

[cyan ravine]

My unifans experience was terrible

Lconnect was almost as bad as icue for me

I had a whole lot of them too, shelved them for p12's

And now I don't want to go back

AL120's are terrible

[tawny violet]

But the plugin last I checked can only be acquired from the software itself

[tawny violet]

Arctic P12/P14 is goated

[cyan ravine]

Btw @tawny violet

Some software now is cross compatible with icue

[tawny violet]

Oh really?

That is not awful I guess

[cyan ravine]

I didn't know Lconnect was but I believe it

[tawny violet]

iCue still stinky tho

[cyan ravine]

MSI does this

MSI you can use all corsair stuff in mystic light for example (ask my why you'd use mystic but anw)

[tawny violet]

Guess enough people pounded on the desk finally

[cyan ravine]

Also yeah windows dynamic lighting is coming

[tawny violet]

Finally

[cyan ravine]

So wouldn't surprise me if icue is now adopting

Dynamic lighting will be good with time imo

[tawny violet]

ew tiktok

[cyan ravine]

I don't follow their tiktok lmao

[tawny violet]

Cringe

anyhow

[cyan ravine]

I just lurk their discord and watch for meme posts

I ain't hating on tiktok

Newegg tiktok store is GOATED

For sales

[tawny violet]

I'm still a big fan (get it?) of the P12s and P14s
Simply connect to mobo and let one RBG software do the work

Hence me not even looking for a 4090 that requires manufacturer software

[cyan ravine]

But I do enjoy seeing 3060 PC's on corsair discord with like, $400 in rgb

Those amuse me lmao

[tawny violet]

I'd rather have a GPU that's completely dark than needing like a bazillion RGB softwares that don't even sync together

-.-

[obsidian wigeon]

tiktok shop has good coupons

[cyan ravine]

I am down to 2 as well

[tawny violet]

something like an Asrock mobo and an MSI GPU not syncing makes me wanna tear my hair out

[cyan ravine]

Once WDL gets better I'll be on one

But I don't even really run any rgb now so it's basically one for mouse macros

[tawny violet]

every RGB has some kind of cap

like a single ARGB header has a max number of LEDs it can drive without SATA power being injected somewhere

IIRC it's like 106

or something like that

[cyan ravine]

What size psu have you got btw

That much rgb gotta be pulling like real watts lmao

Ye man

20 leds per fan isn't it

[tawny violet]

if it's not an AX1600i

At the very least
I'll be mad

[cyan ravine]

There are others about as good as ax1600i

[tawny violet]

ye ik but if it's like an 850 I'll legit be pissed

[cyan ravine]

He couldn't run an 850

Too much 5v power at 30x20 leds

He'd overload the minor rail lmao

Ah ai p

Good unit

Ye he's fine

[tawny violet]

Yeah that checks out

I was expecting that tier

Seriously if it was a run of the mill 1000w I'd have actually screamed

[cyan ravine]

I'd stick to ai p, find an expert who knows the pinout or try moddiy for custom

Moddiy do a lot of ones cablemod don't

[tawny violet]

to me it seems more like a showpiece first, workplace comp second

Nothing wrong with it just
That's how I feel about it

[cyan ravine]

I think seasonic hela is better than tx iirc

Hela is really good

[tawny violet]

TX is still A-tier iirc

[cyan ravine]

Ye direct ik

Hela better doe

Newer spec afaik

It was the first well reviewed atx 3.0 unit

[tawny violet]

ye

[cyan ravine]

Cybernetics loved it

[tawny violet]

the TX 1600 is still A-tier tbf

so it's like not that big a diff

[cyan ravine]

It probably is but it's worth mentioning if it's not too late to change

[tawny violet]

either will be perfectly fine

[cyan ravine]

The psu fanatics love hela

Since it's seasonic too the pinouts should be similar

Should be

Ye you would on 1000W lol

That's a lot of power

[tawny violet]

woah

AX1600i came out when again?

[cyan ravine]

Ages ago

And it's still good

Cos they made it properly good, and kept it that way

You pay a fortune but it still holds up as one of the best

Like a $500 unit

[tawny violet]

try more over 600

[cyan ravine]

My point

[cyan ravine]

The 1600W units I have I got for way less lmao

[cyan ravine]

Never buy direct

See

[tawny violet]

Yeah I'm just making a point about the AX1600i

[cyan ravine]

💀

[tawny violet]

I'd have to pay 572 USD gross for one

448 without tax

27% for us

and we still get a 4090 cheaper than US

[cyan ravine]

About the same for me

But I got both mine cheap

1600 G2 & DA1650

Both around 300 usd

The G2 I got for like 200+shipping

I forgor how much, I got it from Rommy

[tawny violet]

2100 USD for a 4090 I think is pretty much on par with US

[cyan ravine]

Yeah when it's having a shortage

Lmao

[tawny violet]

and that is after conversion and with tax

2450 here as well for the Strix

[cyan ravine]

Suprim >>>> Strix

[tawny violet]

Hell yeah

[cyan ravine]

Same quality card but 1750

[tawny violet]

(Suprim X Liquid costs less than aircooled TUF here)

[cyan ravine]

Unironically better

[tawny violet]

actually
Suprim X Liquid costs the same as the aircooled Suprim X here

Weird flex MSI

[cyan ravine]

Yes that's normal

Same as everywhere

[tawny violet]

Still a weird flex

[cyan ravine]

Same staging, good quality pcb but surprim bins and strix doesn't

Also 1750 not 2000 or 2400 lol

The only thing

[tawny violet]

and you can flash the Suprim X Liquid BIOS on the Suprim X and get even more perf

[cyan ravine]

ONLY thing

Strix has

Is it's easier to evc mod

But most don't do this

[cyan ravine]

And it flashes perfectly

[tawny violet]

doesn't the Suprim also have ic2

[cyan ravine]

Source: me

[cyan ravine]

Strix has specific solder points available

Makes it dead easy

[tawny violet]

I mean I'd expect it would

Since they are the same card with diff coolers so

it should be straight forward

[cyan ravine]

Matrix and strix are same pcb tbf

Matrix is your binned strix

But no one would pay 3200

[tawny violet]

that price is absolutely insane

[cyan ravine]

At that price HoF is better

HoF you get QoL changes on top of binning

[tawny violet]

oddly enough I've not seen any HoF 4090s

at all here

[cyan ravine]

And proper OC software for volt control

They were here for a bit

I wouldn't pay for one tho

Suprim has been really good imo

But even more so I'd tell others to get founders

Do as I say not as I do lololol

[tawny violet]

yeah FE is surprisingly really good

if you can get it

[cyan ravine]

They do that on purpose

No aibs get a cut so they don't need to be made as cheap

Cooler master must love it tho

Being the oem for that cooler must be good

[tawny violet]

What up with CM?

Oh

[cyan ravine]

Yep that reminds me of my AL's

Oh god and they ramp slowly too

My P12's are not nearly as loud

At full load my pc is still dead silent

The only thing I hear is the psu

[tawny violet]

are P14s as good as well?

[cyan ravine]

Ye ofc

P14's a little louder

But still price/perf stonks

[tawny violet]

guess I know what fans I'll put in the d41 build

4 P14s should do the trick methinks

[cyan ravine]

C12c

[tawny violet]

not available here sadly

[cyan ravine]

Sadge

[tawny violet]

so the second best is P14s

[cyan ravine]

I need more thermalright fans

[tawny violet]

2 bottom 2 top, no other fans is my plan

yes

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[tawny violet]

That was like
The point

4 140s do more air for less RPM

[cyan ravine]

They do but it's not a massive difference

I mean you do you, not a bad choice either way

A 5 pack of p12 is probably cheaper I would guess

[tawny violet]

the 4 P14s cost less than 6 P12s

[cyan ravine]

Wait

White or black

[tawny violet]

Black ARGB

[cyan ravine]

Ehh

I wonder if there's better there

[tawny violet]

not really

no c12c at all

[cyan ravine]

The argb ones are a bit meh for value

Sickleflows?

[tawny violet]

and the ARGB only cost 5% more than non-RGB

[cyan ravine]

Ehhh

Weird country

[tawny violet]

ye we have weird crap sometimes

at max RPM

[cyan ravine]

CFM unfortunately is not a great way to measure

[tawny violet]

if you normalize to noise, the P12s IIRC do slightly better

[cyan ravine]

There's no standardised testing for airflow

So quoting a cfm often in the industry comes from anywhere

Whereas realworld testing proves a big difference

[tawny violet]

GN is making their own standard so you can compare the fans they tested between each other

[cyan ravine]

Iirc sl120 v2's are like...on par with qx's?

[tawny violet]

Yes
In itself also meaningless

At what max noise do they do it?

Now go ahead and lock both fans to 1000 rpm

and you'll see who's actually performing better

[cyan ravine]

@formal zealot
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/lian-li-uni-fan-sl-infinity-120/5.html

Those are the v2's right?

Hm ok

I thonk derbauer reviewed them hold on

[tawny violet]

yeah fans vary a lot

you can pick and choose review parameters to favor one over another

being objective is hard

Does that matter tho when your goal is to be silent with having the best perf?

most people don't run their fans full tilt

(or at least I hope so)

"Facts" can be irrelevant tbh

Unis cost 25% more

P12 ARGB has lighting too

and doesn't need external software

P12 also has PWM and ARGB sharing

I'm speaking about the P12 PST ARGBs

[cyan ravine]

I can't believe I can't find any other website review

Derbaur didn't do sl v2 either

It was the lcd one

[tawny violet]

I'm ignoring the regular P12s rn

[cyan ravine]

This guy
https://basic-tutorials.com/reviews/hardware-reviews/lian-li-uni-fan-al120-v2/#tested-as-a-radiator-fan

[tawny violet]

those compete elsewhere

[cyan ravine]

Has huge comparison calls but no charts

[tawny violet]

the Unifans cost 30% more than a regular P12 for me

and they are not 30% more airflow/30% less noise

25% more than P12 ARGB

still not 25% more perf

it's just something that adds up quickly

[cyan ravine]

Finally found something

https://youtu.be/CgKSfHYC5us?si=FVZOQgKuVl6Umg63

Skip to 12:19

[tawny violet]

I mean getting 95% perf for 75% price to me is a no-brainer

but again, our preferences are probably vastly different

[obsidian wigeon]

there is thermalright for cheap rgb fans

[tawny violet]

I'm still not talking about the regular P12s

[cyan ravine]

https://youtu.be/5cnUi7lLb0Q?si=ebpku20C7uQLxBFh
1:22

[tawny violet]

I'd get them if they were available

[obsidian wigeon]

$16 for like 3 pack

with white option

[tawny violet]

Deepcool FC120 is directly linkable just like the Unifans and have about the same perf while costing much less

[cyan ravine]

That I'd give to K12's tbh

[obsidian wigeon]

btw thermalright uses same factory as noctua

k12's for example

[tawny violet]

Deepcool FC120-3 in 1 is 16k HUF

Unifan AL120 costs over twice as much

[cyan ravine]

K12's rival phanteks T30's, have rgb, have daisy chaining

And cost $12 per

[tawny violet]

and honestly having an aluminium frame is pretty pointless

[cyan ravine]

FC's are LOUD

[tawny violet]

I'm more making a point
P12 ARGB is cheaper AND quieter

but the Deepcool is also not awful (hopefully)

[cyan ravine]

P12's are good in a noise normalised situation

As are P14's

As far as max perf

No they fall short of a lot of fans

But that's where the C12C comes in

It does all of it for $4 a fan

And goes to a higher rpm range

I'm honestly shocked I thought more people reviewed the v2

[tawny violet]

isn't Noctuas like 25 bucks a fan?

[cyan ravine]

EK vardars btw

Also loud af

I have 9 of them

I wouldn't recommend

Personally

[tawny violet]

and Noctuas are just overpriced

[cyan ravine]

Ye but so are K12's

[tawny violet]

I mean performance is pointless if it's like a jet engine next to your head

[cyan ravine]

K12's are noctua A12x25's rebadged with thermalright rgb

They're t30 equivalents

If you're paying over $10 then it is overprice tho

[tawny violet]

Noctua fans aren't worth the money that's being asked
They aren't even the best performer anymore

[cyan ravine]

Most of these fans cost only a few $ to make

[tawny violet]

so you can't just charge for the name

[cyan ravine]

Corsair gets the pass that their fans have usb, but even with usb they are making huge profits for $50 a fan

[tawny violet]

but the fans themselves are mid at best

so like

still overpriced

[cyan ravine]

Put it this way, if thermalright can sell the same kind of infinity mirror fans as lian li unifans for $8 a piece and only lacking the quick connect, then someone is making a lot of profit

[tawny violet]

for 50 bucks it better be the absolute best performer at no noise AND sing me a lullaby in the evening

[cyan ravine]

@formal zealot https://www.thermalright.com/product/tl-m12/

$8 a fan iirc

Comes with daisy chaining

[tawny violet]

And that reply to me (with no disrespect) screams "I'm overpaying for the sake of bragging how rich I am on forums"

then again

I've had to make the most from basically nothing for the better part of a decade

and still do

so that's what I'm rooted in

it's been alright thus far

I've managed to scrape together enough to get a competent rig

Maybe once I'm actually properly employed I'd have more wiggle room

as I already said

if you feel it's justified and you're happy with how it works for you

Then it's the right way for you

(Hope I didn't come off as a hater, that was not my intention)

[cyan ravine]

Finally found a good source to explain myself. Ok

[tawny violet]

I suppose I value return on investment

[cyan ravine]

https://youtu.be/9hf33vKtMTM?si=WFDn04ts-C1sM0Fm

AL120V2 is here

[tawny violet]

and there is a point where the return on the investment is just dying in the corner

[cyan ravine]

And if you look up all these fans you'll find all pressure and cfm ratings to be wildly different

AL120 V2 is a similar but slightly better performance fan than SL120 V2

[tawny violet]

I'm about to lmfao
I have to bring it back to tbe builder for repairs

since the mobo is cooked (bios updates are screwed)

[cyan ravine]

Shoutout to the C12C-S being identical in perf to the AL120 V2 and yet $4 a fan lol

[tawny violet]

Yeah I can't just replace it

If I was to lose my rig permanently for whatever reason

I'd be unable to replace it

for at least a year

[tawny violet]

P12 Max goated as expected

I can't wait if Arctic will make an ARGB version

[cyan ravine]

It's interesting that they give it a 77cfm rating for al120 v2

Yet against a radiator they're meh at best

[tawny violet]

It's funny because this PC gave me so much headache that it's not even funny
And yet it's instrumental

and again

I hope Arctic just makes an ARGB version of the P12 Max

[cyan ravine]

I'm gonna double down on this video

AL120 claims 77CFM on the website, yet unrestricted in testing

67CFM

this is pretty much at the core of what I'm talking about

they can claim wild numbers but the industry has no standardised testing

so results can be wildly different

HardwareCanucks is a pretty good source at that

Like if you want to talk a good premium fan from Lian Li, they do make one

it's called the P28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeOvOeTbCrA&ab_channel=HardwareCanucks

me too

bruv I could buy 5 4090's rn if I wanted to

not my point

When I buy a fan

I want it to perform as good as it looks

these unifans, the SL's in particular, they are reputable for being "92mm fans in 120mm cages"

that's fine, I don't know how we got to money or whatnot

but my point to the discussion is cfm and mmh2o can't be trusted

as there's no universal testing format

real world testing proves if a fan is good or not

I do assert tho

don't knock a cheap fan for the price

Like I keep mentioning the K12

it's noctua levels of quality

without the noctua price

it's literally an A12x25 clone

1 for 1

anyway I don't intend to harp on too much, as I said we like to nitpick here

oh P12 build quality is different

it's definitely nothing premium feeling

but as far as looks and performance, you pay way less for good results

not to mention the loss of L connect is ultimately a benefit to a lot of people

yea

it's a good side to it tho imo

cheap but perfectly fine and strong

imo if you want a premium fan, that goes to a p28

the lian li p28's are actually amazing

and they have rgb options

but it's a bit difficult to coerce me to that over a k12

let me give you a pretty nice example of why in a sec

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/air-cooling/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-evo-review

They have RGB addons

[tawny violet]

I personally like the hub RGB fans

where the blades and the hub all light up

[cyan ravine]

this cooler uses K12's and it beats the H150i in their tests

[tawny violet]

these frame RGB fans look kinda meh to me

[cyan ravine]

ofc not

but I'm a long way lost from the times of RGB all things

I haven't appreciated overkill rgb for many years now personally

So here's the comparison

https://www.thermalright.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/1-1024x1024.jpg

K12

https://www.density.sk/wp-content/uploads/noctua_nf_a12x25_1_8.jpg

A12x25

A12x25 is noctuas best fan

they're both nidec clones

[tawny violet]

for the record

[cyan ravine]

imo if you want extremely good quality fans

that starts at K12

[tawny violet]

I'm using a single TF-12025 ARGB fan rn

[cyan ravine]

or B12 for no rgb

they come with braided cables

[tawny violet]

which is like bottom of the barrel stuff

[cyan ravine]

daisy chaining

rubber stoppers

they come with all the big quality ticks for "premium" but they charge $12 a piece

I get it tho, for you, no rgb, understandable

Thermalright is a very interesting brand to me

they even have reverse fans for $8

go look up the C12r

they're reversed C12C

their coolers I love too, high end performance for a budget price

[tawny violet]

I'm the type of person to buy P12 ARGBs, Phanteks ARGB strips, a D41 Mesh Screen and a basic single tower cooler for a 4090+7800X3D build

[cyan ravine]

the Frozen Edge for example, their aio is $45-65

it hangs with the EK Nucleus

and Trinity II

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500102614680338456/1209693561646489600/Screenshot_20240221-134533.png?ex=65fa4eec&is=65e7d9ec&hm=4e8747c645f617c843a16b4aef5117a084517343e47881cc4e108e00f6fb8e68&

[tawny violet]

@formal zealot if you want some kinda insight into what sort of person I am with what is available for me

[cyan ravine]

you live in a weird country tho

[obsidian wigeon]

kraken being so weird

[cyan ravine]

it's more backwards than Australia

lmao

Kraken is garbage

[tawny violet]

IKR???

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

Thermalright slaps kraken in the face

[obsidian wigeon]

it's utter garbage

[cyan ravine]

L Asetek garbage 8th gen

[obsidian wigeon]

idk why people still buy em

[tawny violet]

Arctic Freezer II is still pretty good

[cyan ravine]

ofc

[obsidian wigeon]

the iii is nicer

ii still good ofc

[cyan ravine]

at the end of the day tho I'll say something

[tawny violet]

it's funny how the 3 is hard limited to 40 decibels

[cyan ravine]

it's really down to what the buyer wants

it's never worth going overboard and overpassionate, and I myself find getting into it easily at times

because there's rarely a truly "wrong" choice

it's always "oh this is better"

[obsidian wigeon]

im surprised asus tops in that chart

[tawny violet]

I do wonder if you added P12 Max fans on a Freezer 3

how low can you go?

[cyan ravine]

they did and it dropped 2C

private

lol

[tawny violet]

would it be worth to push-pull on a 360 Freezer 3 with the ARGB fans in the front and P12 Maxes on the back?

[cyan ravine]

I had to switch to PC

youtube was crashing on mobile

sending me nothing but ads

driving me INSANE

I uninstalled it

I was just trying to find a vid and I spent like 40 minutes on ADS

mmmm def change that aio

[tawny violet]

Kraken AIO
dies

[obsidian wigeon]

that aio needs changed

[cyan ravine]

if anything you can change, make it that one

14900K is a volcano

and a kraken won't really handle it

alr

I'm on a loop on a 13900KS and I get close to throttle at times

up to you tho

thermalright has an LCD variant of their frozen edge and it's about half the price, and will be better

it hoses a kraken

no not a mount issue

I have a contact frame

[tawny violet]

anyhow

[cyan ravine]

remounted it 5 times

it had the same temps on 3 different motherboards

it's a cpu problem

[tawny violet]

my mentality is
-FPS first
-Temps second
-Looks third

[cyan ravine]

heat density go crazy on the 24 core intel

not really

if I can cool over 400W

[tawny violet]

if it gives more FPS I'm more likely to spend on it extra
Something that is only looks is probably a miss for me

[cyan ravine]

I'm doing well

intel is just a hot chip that needs as much

my highest average draw on this cpu is 430W

running 6GHz 2p 5.8GHz 8p

@ 1.3v

fit voltage is 1.28

I know how to use this cpu, I held the fire strike WR with it lol

for radeon anyway

it gets hot even at stock tho

I can play games and I will breach 90C at even 150W

my point is that cpu is a volcano

look even if you went the EK nucleus LCD it would be arguably way better

87C at what wattage tho

you can quote a temp and not a power number can mean almost anything lol

6GHz doing what

I can do 6ghz in games and also sit at 50C

I'm talking p95

cinebench

OCCT

TSE

lolol

[tawny violet]

Felix would the P12 ARGB be good for 16k HUF/3?

[cyan ravine]

what

I don't understand the question

if you can do that yes

or direct die is more reliable

look if you did direct die and managed to pull it off somehow with that kraken, you'd be ok

It's merely a suggestion

yeah their direct die block is garbage

I know 2 people that had huge issues with the coldplate flatness

if you do a direct die block you use the watercool pc's one

@bitter mason

care to explain how bad your ek direct die experience was

[tawny violet]

I'm asking whether a 3pack of P12 ARGBs would be better at the same price as a 3pack of Deepcool FC120s

[cyan ravine]

lol

(Maybe he'll answer idk)

it's the same issue arctic has with the LF2

wild coldplate flatness variance means wildly different results and terribly unreliable

[obsidian wigeon]

oof

another big qc oof

[cyan ravine]

but the LF2 is ok as they go cheap and have good support

EK on the other hand

that thing ain't cheap lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

ek support i heard is..

a nightmare

[cyan ravine]

EK support is ok

nah

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

[cyan ravine]

They gave me a free aio once

[obsidian wigeon]

just the price is the issue then

price for the variance in tolerances

[cyan ravine]

the result you get for the investment on specifically that block is usually not great

everyone recommends the watercool pc's one

for lga1700 direct die

man I wish this made the market finally
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qhD7YJ/ek-ek-nucleus-aio-cr360-vision-d-rgb-77-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-nucleus-aio-cr360-vision-d-rgb

[cyan ravine]

P12

easily

FC120's are loud at IDLE

one of the reasons I often don't opt for an LS720

[tawny violet]

can you recommend (possibly better) alternatives?

I'll see if they are available for cheaper than the P12 ARGBs

M25 D-RGB seems pretty good

[cyan ravine]

remember that vid I linked earlier

[tawny violet]

lemme check if it's available

[cyan ravine]

reference this

compare to C12C-s

that's TEC

I was talking about the direct die

just the vanilla direct die

The TEC is kind of a waste

[tawny violet]

C12C completely unavailable here sadly it seems

[cyan ravine]

this one is terrible

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-velocity2-direct-die-d-rgb-1700-nickel-plexi

does it? Oh I didn't know that

Very few people I know dabble with TEC cos yeah

as you demonstrated with the vid

he's pulling like 300W to keep a chip sub zero at 150W

throw the system overhead and the 4090 (probably) power draw on top and the UPS numbers would look like that ye

TEC is wildly inefficient

ah 3090

comment still holds

I can't tell what 3090 that is

igame?

yes but 67C is WILD

on TEC

plain direct die is only a few C better

take direct die out of the equation and we get to exactly why I say that kraken is a sketch idea

he's on a full blown loop lol

ehhh 420 doesn't make it a whole lot better

the arctic would be better

the problem with the Kraken is not the aio size but the coldplate

it's yucky asetek

yes but not a whole lot

and also

fin density

matters as much if not more

no?

not the good ones

most of the good ones are apaltek now

kraken is not one of them

apaltek or in-house

[tawny violet]

P12 ARGB 3 pack for 16.3k HUF
M25 PWM D-RGB 3 pack for 17.4k HUF
Unifan AL120 RGB 3 pack for 33.8k HUF
D30 PWM D-RGB 3 pack for 35.3k HUF
Unifan AL120 V2 ARGB 3 pack for 40.2k HUF
@cyan ravine it's so scuffed

[cyan ravine]

p12

lmao

[tawny violet]

I had to go to a super niche store's page to even find like 60% of these

[obsidian wigeon]

appallingtek

[tawny violet]

the M25 might actually be competitive in this situation methinks, but the P12s are just reliably good and cheap

[cyan ravine]

wild to me that Apaltek is still getting subject to lawsuits to this day

L coolermaster

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.apaltek.com/mobile/index.php?c=category&id=28

their site is so weird

[cyan ravine]

we can't have nice things it seems

[obsidian wigeon]

[cyan ravine]

actually that's another good one

the cooler master atmos

unironically the best aio

[obsidian wigeon]

cooler master suing apaltek?

[cyan ravine]

cos not good for a literal miniature sun under ur coldplate 💀

again it's your call

I'm not gonna hold you against it

I have so little influence even anyway

lmao

My experience with this cpu is it's just disgustingly hot

and even lapping barely helps

the only real fix is direct die

[obsidian wigeon]

no one was forcing anything tho

[cyan ravine]

and I gave you like 3 other options apart from arctic

and again yeah, your call

lolol

[obsidian wigeon]

it's your money in the end

[cyan ravine]

I'm like this with everyone; I'll pour out a boatload of info for people to make an educated call on their pc decisions

I have no interest in it otherwise

[tawny violet]

goated Felix be like

[cyan ravine]

If you want the cooler cos you like it, I won't hold you against that

again, your call lol

[tawny violet]

Wow Arctic is really attacking price to perf here

the Freezer 3 360 ARGB costs barely more than half of the EK Nucleus 360 non-RGB

[cyan ravine]

Freezer 360 do be goated tho]

[obsidian wigeon]

why'd you have to be defensive about reccommendations

[cyan ravine]

You can go to almost literally any other pc discord and you'll get the same behaviour

Literally any pc person is just like any car person

they all have their share lolol

Try putting your specs in Buildapc and watch the comments fly in

[tawny violet]

From where I stand

Most people coming into PC gaming are closer to my situation than yours
So having the basics nailed down without any frills is probably more productive than telling them to spend 300 bucks on RGB strips and be stuck with a 1650

[cyan ravine]

you said it yourself earlier, it's popcorn moments

but it's your disgression to opt in or out, again, your call lol

[cyan ravine]

and not everyone is like that either

[tawny violet]

that is totally fair

[cyan ravine]

there are plenty out there who will insist on a specific ecosystem

this is like

[obsidian wigeon]

i guess the 4060ti discount talk scratched something

[tawny violet]

I probably come off biased because I'm pragmatic with this

[cyan ravine]

Subaru owners vs mitubishi owners lmfao

[obsidian wigeon]

that i didn't mean to

[cyan ravine]

no but counterpoint

[tawny violet]

Both are good tho lmao

[cyan ravine]

everyone is entitled to their opinion

[obsidian wigeon]

right

[cyan ravine]

again, after all the discussion, if there's still justification to hold to your decision, I won't judge

my goal in being here is again, to pour out a load of info to help people make informed decisions

[obsidian wigeon]

some people might judge still, but it's as much as expected as just about anywhere on the internet

[cyan ravine]

it doesn't bother me if the person has been in the industry for 15 years or 15 minutes, if I have info I will say it

and I'm always learning as a result

it benefits me as much as it benefits them to speak up

If it still bothers you that I come across as strong minded, I apologise, but honestly, I'm like this with everyone

[tawny violet]

hey you helped me learn so much

I really can't hate you

[obsidian wigeon]

alright, i'm sorry if i appeared as toxic by any means

[tawny violet]

deeeeeeeeep breath

[obsidian wigeon]

because in truth, i didn't mean it

[tawny violet]

I'm gonna step out before I do something actually banworthy

[cyan ravine]

Agree, I have no intent of being toxic

[obsidian wigeon]

and if you're saying this, i like intel and nvidia a lot myself

but i tend to prefer the best value

[cyan ravine]

that's the main objective for most of us in here yes

[obsidian wigeon]

the reason i like amd is because they have something compelling

[cyan ravine]

price/perf and good quality

[obsidian wigeon]

if amd was as fast as nvidia and lacking core features nvidia has like they have in the past

i would naturally shoot for nvidia lmao

[cyan ravine]

I could really care less who makes it, as long as it's a decent package and the best price in it's group

[obsidian wigeon]

it's not a matter of fanboyism for me

[cyan ravine]

reviews well? sold

[obsidian wigeon]

but if you say, like nvidia a lot

there's no way i can or want to stop you

[cyan ravine]

if intel dropped battlemage tomorrow and it was better than both, I'd be a total intel simp

[obsidian wigeon]

same

[cyan ravine]

I gave my 2 cents

And objectively showed you that cfm and mmh2o are not standardised

I did not belittle it

[obsidian wigeon]

if you feel objective reccommendations are belitting, then have at it

i don't have the mind to care since it's free knowledge

[cyan ravine]

I offered my objective opinion that several other fans are good value for the money

when did I say unifans are bad?

I could've said way more

I only suggested the aio

[obsidian wigeon]

i'll dip and respectfully leave you be if you don't like my presence

this is me being as kind as i can be

[cyan ravine]

yeah if this is too much I won't talk about it anymore

[obsidian wigeon]

im sorry for bothering you

[cyan ravine]

you too

really mean that

[flint sapphire]

Everyone else’s builds are crap not even cool

[cyan ravine]

Has ur brother changed his fans yet

[flint sapphire]

Of course not Corsair is bestair

[cyan ravine]

[tawny violet]

Please say sike

:3

[flint sapphire]

Objectively better then all other fans

Obviously

[cyan ravine]

If I ever make it over there

[tawny violet]

Thank the Lord

I was almost getting scared lmao

[cyan ravine]

I'm bringing a screwdriver 😂

[tawny violet]

I mean

[flint sapphire]

Obviously BETTER

Get owned

[cyan ravine]

I will unscrew it for a laugh

[tawny violet]

a free Corsair fan is still a free fan

[cyan ravine]

all those fans

[flint sapphire]

$80 a fan

[cyan ravine]

god

absolutely horrendous

[tawny violet]

No like

if you're given Corsair fans for free

[flint sapphire]

I mean it runs good atleast

[tawny violet]

is it really that bad?

[flint sapphire]

Obviously fans are fans and they are good enough. If you want Corsair software bloating your system a bit go for it. Honestly they have some cool rgb effects

[cyan ravine]

the ones his brother have aren't the worst

but it just

when you see the build, you'll know

[flint sapphire]

What

Take that back

[tawny violet]

do I even wanna see it?

[cyan ravine]

haha

it's a great build

[analog hearth]

Bruh my Amazon Basics fan that cools more efficiently was cheaper (it's a box fan)

[flint sapphire]

It’s a pretty cool build

[cyan ravine]

those fans deserve a different home

[flint sapphire]

Nah they are the crazy mag lev 140s

[tawny violet]

I don't doubt that
I just cringe from Corsair fans in general

[cyan ravine]

yea the noisy maglevs

brrrr

[tawny violet]

so expensive holy crap

[flint sapphire]

They aren’t that bad

[cyan ravine]

I had maglevs

compared to other fans they're meh at best

[flint sapphire]

Here’s his build

[cyan ravine]

god it's so cool

[tawny violet]

oh my God

[cyan ravine]

I just WISH

the fans were noctua redux

[tawny violet]

looks like that poor old PC case got facehugged

I mean it is gloriously epic

but it reminds me of Aliens

[cyan ravine]

btw darvan

[analog hearth]

Black ones are cheaper than the white ones, as everything else

[flint sapphire]

lol it was his original pc case basically so he nostalgia built it with a 7950x and 4090

[tawny violet]

seems like it performs really well tho

[cyan ravine]

are we intentionally disconnecting the 4090 with each pic

[tawny violet]

ROFL

[flint sapphire]

The 7950x is direct die

[tawny violet]

okay that is based

[cyan ravine]

I swear it's every pic that card is disconnected

I know it's on purpose 💀

[flint sapphire]

And those are FAT rads

[tawny violet]

When you spend this sort of money it's probably almost inevitable to direct die

[cyan ravine]

the build is actually amazing

[tawny violet]

it is actually really nice

I'd rock it

[cyan ravine]

it's just rgb on that damn case is ack

go full sleeper

[flint sapphire]

He somehow got all the ram at 6k

All dimms populated

[cyan ravine]

how many gb?

I can't even remember

[flint sapphire]

64

[cyan ravine]

oh 64 isn't hard

it's 4 dimms tho ye

I got 64 @ 6400

[analog hearth]

I want 64GB

[flint sapphire]

Yeah

[analog hearth]

Yeah

[flint sapphire]

Yeah

[analog hearth]

Yeah fr

Fr fr

[cyan ravine]

it's the "idc what's running, my pc got it" tier of life

[analog hearth]

A coworker I work with said he upgraded to 64GB and it was a good upgrade. He basically had a bunch of tabs open while gaming and his memory would be at 80% with that combination of programs. I have a similar situation. But he upgraded to 64GB and now his system doesn't budge over 50%

Only for me I have a bunch of programs that use maybe like ~40% of my memory (and yes I use them I promise)

[flint sapphire]

So I guess I haven’t given you his most updated oc but here’s his like most recent posts about the performance

[tawny violet]

that's sweet

[analog hearth]

Better than my 13700K wtf

[cyan ravine]

41K!?

jfc

[flint sapphire]

[cyan ravine]

41??

BRO

WILD

WHY IS HE USIN RYZEN MASTER THO

USE BIOS SMH

[flint sapphire]

[cyan ravine]

that's an insanely good result tho

mad respect

I think my X3D caps at 37K?

power limited ofc

be terrified to delid it at that

[flint sapphire]

that would be spooky

[cyan ravine]

I didn't do a lot of benching on this chip

sorta was dealing with too much agesa crap and decided once it was working, I stuck with the simple daily overclock I started with

been rock solid since

afraid to touch it 💀

I could probably get 6600 1:1 working if I tried tho

[analog hearth]

I don't OC because I’m happy with my system's performance lol

[cyan ravine]

I can't pin down if the problems going up from 6400 was related to agesa being crazy or my chip IMC just not appreciating 6600

[cyan ravine]

that's fine too

[flint sapphire]

My brother was like “I paid for the chip so ima get all of the chip”

[cyan ravine]

this OC took me a day

lol

I didn't really try too hard

spend a couple hours in bios, way more stress testing

[flint sapphire]

Like look at the offsets, my bro tried

[cyan ravine]

man he slammed the hell out of core cycler

LMFAO

[analog hearth]

Bruh I’m really about to go from HTX to ATX tonight

[cyan ravine]

h?

[analog hearth]

Houston, Texas to Austin, Texas

[cyan ravine]

OH

HAHAHAHAHA

[flint sapphire]

Land of Joe wowgan

[cyan ravine]

@analog hearth I thought this was a new motherboard form factor

[analog hearth]

I have a knife on its way in case I have to do any self protection

[cyan ravine]

meanwhile me

buying a knife to unpack

or gut a kangaroo

cos that's totally what we do

don't question it

[analog hearth]

Yeah switching from Haplessness Tech Extended to ATX

[flint sapphire]

You guys lost to the emu don’t gaslight us into believing you can fight kangaroos

[analog hearth]

Same but people if they get a little too close (and threatening). Welcome to America

Idk if I should mention that here though lol

[cyan ravine]

Walmart must be pretty crazy

[analog hearth]

(It's just self defense but I'll chill lol)

[analog hearth]

Bruh there was a lady at my closest Walmart who tried stealing a 24" smart TV

I guarantee you it was maybe like $70

[cyan ravine]

man

[analog hearth]

She couldn't afford a $70 TV and made a big deal out of it 💀

[cyan ravine]

I really got to feel a bit for people like that tho

crazy that they do it

but you have to wonder what situation got them to that point

[analog hearth]

Who buys a 24" TV anyways? 💀

[cyan ravine]

lol

idk

some people are also beyond help

like compulsive shoplifters

people that actually do it just for the thrill

[lyric thistle]

insert cash or select payment type

[bitter mason]

(1) I delidded CPU, scraped off solder, cleaned, polished, etc. (2) removed Heatkiller IV Pro and replaced it with EK direct die; (3) was so excited to see how awesome it was; (4) turned on PC ran R23 with stock settings & hit throttle on multiple cores; (5) remounted EK thing thinking I messed up, same result; (6) remounted with more liquid metal than I was comfortable with but the board is lying flat so what the heck, same result; (7) I searched online & found out that the milling on early batches was bad; (8) contacted EK & (unlike my other complaints to their CS) they sent out a new cold plate & new die frame (basically like contact frame but specific to this junk); (9) removed heatkiller iv pro again, slightly better but disappointing results.

TLDR: My Heatkiller Pro IV with liquid metal on IHS & liquid metal between IHS & die perform FAR BETTER (like 8-15C depending on core) than the EK Direct Die ever did.

I suspect one of the main reasons is the backplate of the EK direct die is relatively weak & will flex when you tighten it enough which will, in turn, start to cause the motherboard to flex with it. The EK direct die claims it does not need strong mounting pressure to be effective but I tried really loose up to uncomfortably tight & could not get good performance (or at least better than heatkiller iv pro with IHS). For more information, see https://www.overclock.net/threads/ek-velocity-2-direct-die-problems.1804920/page-19

[cyan ravine]

Many thanks Gary

That's everything I could ever need to know

[bitter mason]

missed you bro haha

[cyan ravine]

yeah man where you been

we thought you were taken by the mafia 😂

[bitter mason]

dude I had the bar exam, moving, all sorts of other nonsense

when it rains it pours for real

[cyan ravine]

oh damn

did it go well?

[bitter mason]

I hope so lol won't find out for a little while tho

[cyan ravine]

ah alr

well I'm rooting for you tho

[bitter mason]

I was thinking maybe I should try lapping the EK cold plate

[cyan ravine]

you disappeared and we were all lost why

you must've given your all

[bitter mason]

but it's such a mess I Just leave it in a drawer cuz I don't need that headache lol

[cyan ravine]

I agree

you aren't the only one I've heard from with regards to it

[bitter mason]

reading thru that OCN forum, I don't remember a single person being like omg this thing is great you're all doing it wrong somehow

[cyan ravine]

omg this post tho

[bitter mason]

heck I even tried adding washers in random places to try to make the board & backplate not flex but still get strong mounting pressure

[cyan ravine]

bro actually did the nail in the coffin test

[bitter mason]

luckily I bought a giant thing of plastic washers awhile back haha

didn't work tho

ya it's terrible. They totally blew it

I hate that I threw away so much $ on it

oh & the worst part of all for me was that the damn thing connects on the back of the board

[cyan ravine]

haha

[bitter mason]

it's SO ANNOYING to keep lifting up the board trying to attach the stupid thing

[cyan ravine]

back mounts are fun

with the liquid metal and all

[bitter mason]

might make more sense in a case but ya

it was truly miserable

[cyan ravine]

wow

[bitter mason]

I don't get it... all they had to do was make it flat & make the die guard short enough that the coldplate could make it down to the die

[cyan ravine]

wth they denied it outright

I don't expect them to be bad like that

[bitter mason]

I mean easy for me to say but they're a multi-million (billion?) dollar company wth are they doing

[cyan ravine]

EK is usually quite compliant

[bitter mason]

I'm serious bro

[cyan ravine]

it's crazy

[bitter mason]

EK is by far the WORST company I've dealt with & bought stuff from

[cyan ravine]

I'd believe it

[bitter mason]

check out my "top [Amazon] review from the US"

[cyan ravine]

solid brand for AIO

but anything else...bleh

[cyan ravine]

at least their support is alright

[bitter mason]

the first time I contacted their support was for my 3070 block that would fill up with condensation because it had an "internal leak." They told me that I could RMA it to Estonia or whatever or I could "void my warranty leak" by taking it apart & rebuilding it

I voided the warranty & it continued to leak

then--because I'm an idiot--I got the same type block for my 3080ti AND IT DID IT AGAIN

[cyan ravine]

this is kinda weird listening to this, cos my alphacool block did this once

[bitter mason]

their opaque coolant is absolute trash. You should only put it in your system if you hate your system & love cleaning it

[cyan ravine]

but after I took it apart and cleaned it, never again

one of those "internal leaks" inside the loop itself

so it gets all gammy

it's never happened again

[cyan ravine]

oh yeah well aware of those haha

I stick to clears

and make my own stuff now

[bitter mason]

I use distilled water only now

I can't stand throwing money away on coolant

[cyan ravine]

ye, osmosis for me + inhibitors

[bitter mason]

ya exactly

I just add inhibitor

[cyan ravine]

ph stabiliser and I forgot the other thing it was

95:4.2:0.8 ratio

water: other thing : stabiliser

lol

oh I remember now

propylene glycol

[bitter mason]

I really need to organize my pictures so I can find these easier

[cyan ravine]

That formula is on AC's website so I can just google if I forget lol

[bitter mason]

you saw this?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UiRv0nDch0

[dusky hearth]

I thought y'all were talking about vehicle's engine coolant for a sec when I looked in here lmao

[cyan ravine]

oh yeah leakshield was ages ago

amazing stuff

[dusky hearth]

Why would anybody drill their water block anyways

[cyan ravine]

to sell leakshield

[dusky hearth]

☠️

[cyan ravine]

I SAWED MY BOAT IN HALF AND REBUILT IT WITH FLEX TAPE

kinda thing

[mossy venture]

I sawed my leg in half and rebuilt it with thermal paste