building-and-recc-chat

[mossy venture]

nv2 is a bit iffy since kingston has been swapping parts on it including the quality of the nand

mobo just b550 so much more likely to support 5600 outta the box

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L8Xksh

[cyan ravine]

Smol (meh)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hCt7HG

Apparently that silverstone is the smallest case on the market rn

According to pcpp

Not horribly expensive either but the psu cost is and always will be annoying

That changes things

Eeeeeehhhh kindaaaaa

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JMDZDZ

Idk how close to accurate my 6700 estimate is

But all 3 parts need to be used for sure

[mossy venture]

or core v1 and a non sfx psu

.

[cyan ravine]

Sama is not itx psu

Ok my estimates are 10 higher, so 200 not 210

So it would be about 600 if you did it all used with good prices

Caveat being, good luck finding a 6700, that is also a decent price

[light raven]

Anyone might want to help me? 7800x3d,Nzxt n7 b650 e, rtx 4090, seasonic gx 1000 focus, fans turn on and then off doesn’t boot.

[mossy venture]

could try flashing bios

would double check all connections

[light raven]

I’ve built lots of pcs before this is my first time with a fully modular and the 12 pin power cable

[obsidian wigeon]

Have you waited at least 5 mins?

AM5 takes a good bit to train ram

[light raven]

Connections have been check like 3 times+, and I waited like 20 after I first turned it on and nothing happened.

I’m gonna try using the 12 pin adapter for the gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

hrm

I'd reset cmos

[light raven]

This is my first time with Atx 3.0

Ima send a pic rq

It won’t let me send a picture

But should I plug both mb cables into the power supply?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[light raven]

Omg

I bet that’s it than

[muted shore]

hello

upgrading a pc

1. I7 12700k
2. RTX 4060
3. ASUS PRIME H610M-E D4
4. 2 X Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (1x16GB) DDR4 3200MHZ UDIMM C16
5. Corsair CV750

for 3d animations and graphic intensive stuff

please share your opinion

[cyan ravine]

what's your budget

[muted shore]

960 usd

[cyan ravine]

so you say upgrade, what's already in the pc you have rn

[muted shore]

i5 2400 gtx 1050ti

a case and a few drives going with upgrade

[cyan ravine]

what case do you have

and the drives

[muted shore]

corsair spec 02

240gb ssd

500gb *2 HDD

[cyan ravine]

ok we can use the case and drives

[muted shore]

yes

[cyan ravine]

but you'll want another drive

[muted shore]

nvme?

[cyan ravine]

mhm

give me 5 minutes

[muted shore]

alright

[cyan ravine]

is this ssd m.2 or sata @muted shore

[muted shore]

sata

[cyan ravine]

ok so 3 sata ports got it

[muted shore]

another concern

person im getting it from says the mobo isnt going to support gpu fully

RTX 4060
ASUS PRIME H610M-E D4

mobo is pcie gen 4 gddr6

for the power, gpu takes it from 6 pin connector of the psu

[cyan ravine]

I'm making a new list

[muted shore]

yes

[cyan ravine]

cos the specs you read out are wildly problematic albeit they were compatible

[muted shore]

okay

used products not available

for me

[cyan ravine]

Used is kind of looking ideal here

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BFt39c

that's about the best you can do new

alternatively

this would be kind of better

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sQZc7R

it's not ideal

but very close to it

if you can stretch

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s29CkJ

this would be ideal

[muted shore]

please explain the faults with the build i sent

[cyan ravine]

ok

[muted shore]

my work is mostly gpu intensive like video editing and browsing

[cyan ravine]

For one, no cpu cooler

two

[muted shore]

i have one

[cyan ravine]

the ram is single channel

[muted shore]

continue

[cyan ravine]

which is woefully slow

[muted shore]

no im getting 16*2

[cyan ravine]

vengeance LPX is notorious for having issues out of the box

they don't test the ram

3200 cl16 is like, bottom of the barrel for quality, we used to get a boatload of ram complaints in the past with it

[muted shore]

okay

[cyan ravine]

the psu is regarded popularly as "Tier C", not great, not terrible, but not a good pairing for a 12700K, it won't handle the power behaviour of that cpu well

the transients in all likeliness could trip that psu

in other words, pc shutting down during rendering workloads while you're editing

to continue on

[muted shore]

okay i understand

[cyan ravine]

the cooler needed for that 12700K needs to be exceptional

any old cooler that's not a half decent 360mm aio doesn't work

otherwise it just plain runs hot

[muted shore]

i have an antec a30 cooler

[cyan ravine]

that's not nearly strong enough

that works for something like a 12400f

not any higher

the 4060, I could take or leave it, but compared to the GPU's I suggested, not as strong

for the work you'll be doing, a more powerful GPU is far more preferable

3070, 3080, 4070 super, all far more excellent candidates for offloading work to nvenc, it would be faster performance in the scale of multiples

to a specific number I can't say, but comparing benchmarks these other cards are significantly better

finally, the motherboard

H610

...

There's no short exaggeration here

made for i3's

and celerons

the 12700K would put it at the throttle point (Basically trying to overheating but slowing the cpu down tremendously so it doesn't)

so you'll end up with a woefully slow 12700k

the power delivery on that board can't handle the draw of a K chip, so it'd behave more like...

[muted shore]

i understand

[cyan ravine]

10600K?

[muted shore]

okay

[cyan ravine]

huge performance loss

My honest suggestion, if you can do used, get a used 3080 12gb

it falls right in the middle of your budget and a very strong candidate

[muted shore]

sadly no used ones available

cant get a used one

[cyan ravine]

where are you located

[muted shore]

india

[cyan ravine]

oh ok

this is like

wayyy different then

[muted shore]

right

well i can push my budget

[cyan ravine]

everything there has like a 50% premium

[muted shore]

yeah import duty

[cyan ravine]

you'd have to scale back

[muted shore]

sucks ass

let me check if the peripherals you sent are available

[cyan ravine]

something like this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vhgnrv

even drop the cooler

ideally in india, you'd probably be looking at a laptop similar to this

albeit ofc

without the drives

[muted shore]

want to upgrade the pc

Thermalright Assassin X 120 for 55usd

any alternatives?

[cyan ravine]

don't bother with that cooler

don't need it

5500 ships with one

so does 5600

[muted shore]

okay

[cyan ravine]

any A520 or B550, B450 (with a bios flash button) that looks a lot like this

has a big heatsink up in the top corner

you want something like that

Ryzen will be a better choice here, you will save a lot as the cpu itself runs on basic coolers well enough

[muted shore]

yes

[cyan ravine]

unlike intel

[muted shore]

okay

Asus TUF GAMING A520M-PLUS alternatives?

[cyan ravine]

there's dozens

hence my vague advice

[muted shore]

and Apevia Prestige 600 W

[cyan ravine]

I'm not sure there

if there's anything cheaper than the CV that sounds good sure

[muted shore]

corsair

[cyan ravine]

yes cheaper than that

Corsair usually has a premium

[muted shore]

cooler master as well

[cyan ravine]

MWE Bronze V2?

[muted shore]

yes

[muted shore]

lets talk about this one here

[cyan ravine]

it'll be impressively over 960usd

it's not a realistic list

[muted shore]

yes i can increase a bit

[cyan ravine]

can you increase 2x?

[muted shore]

no thats a lot

[cyan ravine]

cos that's what I'd estimate for india

lmao

[muted shore]

yeah

AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor
TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
rtx 4070 super for 723usd

these are available ones

[cyan ravine]

yeah but you won't be able to afford it

is what I keep saying

[muted shore]

so what do you recommend

i can get 3060 with r5 5600 ig

[cyan ravine]

something similar to this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vhgnrv

[cyan ravine]

still extremely competent

don't knock it

[muted shore]

is r5 5600 good

[cyan ravine]

yes

it's very good

[muted shore]

okay

so i got

TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB
r5 5600

3060 12gb

Thermalright Assassin X 120 is like 50 bucks

[cyan ravine]

don't bother with the cooler

reuse your current one

or use the one in the cpu box

[muted shore]

okay

need alternatives for
Asus TUF GAMING A520M-PLUS and Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold

[cyan ravine]

I don't know what india has available

that's why I gave generic advice

newegg doesn't service india lol

[muted shore]

sadly

so i should be looking for an am4 mobo with any specifics?

[cyan ravine]

anything cheap with a big heatsink

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589689072692494356/1213043146834051102/image.png?ex=65f40977&is=65e19477&hm=f9c7fdb389f8213ad516ea2c34407e165d8d8614be8b2e0ffab6ff0c4fef89a5&

[muted shore]

and for psu?

[cyan ravine]

I have no idea what to look for

for psu

[cyan ravine]

?

[muted shore]

600w?

[cyan ravine]

sure

600

550

500

[muted shore]

Cooler Master MWE 650 Bronze V2 for 65usd

[cyan ravine]

that's good

better than the corsair

[muted shore]

whats the difference

[cyan ravine]

I have a website you could look at if you're curious

good few days worth of learning

[muted shore]

nah im good

just want a pc ready

[cyan ravine]

lol

[muted shore]

Gigabyte B450 AORUS Elite

120usd

big heatsink

[cyan ravine]

any others

[muted shore]

GIGABYTE B550M DS3H

cheaper

MSI B450 Gaming Plus

[cyan ravine]

this

[muted shore]

around 90-120 range

usd range

[muted shore]

okay

[cyan ravine]

actually

wait

the gaming plus also works

[muted shore]

how future proof is this

ah stupid question

[cyan ravine]

the b450 is better

it has a bios flash button

but better vrm

it will be the better choice

[muted shore]

right

[cyan ravine]

you should also get an nvme

[muted shore]

yes

[cyan ravine]

note when I say this, all the boards you could use here need a bios update to work, which is what this button is for

takes 10 minutes

pick the cheapest 3060 12gb they have

specifically 12gb

there are 8gb variants and those are terrible

[muted shore]

thats great

okay the cheapest one

theyre mostly around 4060s range

[cyan ravine]

how close

[muted shore]

thats my concern

like 30 bucks

[cyan ravine]

what kind of work is this specifically

[muted shore]

3d rendering

animations

[cyan ravine]

3060

[muted shore]

more vram?

[cyan ravine]

mhm

[muted shore]

what about the performance

[cyan ravine]

they perform about the same

[muted shore]

heard its "better"

i see

yeah 12 gb is what i need tbh

[cyan ravine]

4060 has a newer nvenc

which supports AV1

[muted shore]

hmmm

[cyan ravine]

but that's irrelevant here by the sounds of it

[muted shore]

right

[cyan ravine]

if you were rendering movies

and videos

then 4060

[muted shore]

well i do

[cyan ravine]

in the case of 3d modelling though, more vram is IMMENSELY better

3060 is a really nice pick for budget workstation

[muted shore]

so the pc is to be used for 3d as well but not THAT intensively

its mostlyh videos

[cyan ravine]

yeah but all you lose is out on is AV1

it's just one codec

meanwhile 4gb vram lost can be the difference to usable or unusable in some 3d work scenarios

[muted shore]

yeah youre right

[cyan ravine]

for ram, is there any cheaper, 32gb 3200 kits

2x16

or is the vulcan the cheapest

[muted shore]

what brand should i look for

[cyan ravine]

any

brand doesn't matter

just not vengeance

[muted shore]

vulcan isnt cheap here

[cyan ravine]

then go cheaper

[muted shore]

120 for 2 16gb sticks

[cyan ravine]

then go cheaper

[muted shore]

is crucial good?

[cyan ravine]

sure

[muted shore]

cheapest

[cyan ravine]

2x16

what do the sticks look like

[muted shore]

so corsair is that bad with their rams

[cyan ravine]

yes

[muted shore]

green, without heatsink

[cyan ravine]

it's bad enough I air caution

[cyan ravine]

how much

[muted shore]

38usd per stick

[cyan ravine]

is there anything cheaper but with a heatsink

let's ignore 3200mhz

[muted shore]

adata

[cyan ravine]

what speed

[muted shore]

3200

[cyan ravine]

heatsink?

[muted shore]

Xpg Gammix D30 Ddr4

[cyan ravine]

that sounds expensive

is it 8gb or 16gb per

[muted shore]

48 per stick

cheaper than vulcan

[cyan ravine]

anything else

or is that cheapest with heatsink

check the 2x16 kits btw

idk if you are or not

[muted shore]

gskill

ripjaws v

[cyan ravine]

ok

[muted shore]

38 per stick

[cyan ravine]

32gb?

[muted shore]

16*2

[cyan ravine]

what's the speed

[muted shore]

3200mhz

oh wait

no lol

[cyan ravine]

solid choice

[muted shore]

yeah mb

yeah its 38usd

per stick

alright

[cyan ravine]

solid choice

lastly ssd

you want a 500gb or 1tb imo

nvme

huge difference to your work

[muted shore]

1tb

[cyan ravine]

you'd use it for windows and work

[muted shore]

500 works acrtually

[cyan ravine]

then store things in the others

[muted shore]

hold on

lemme sum it up

so r5 5600
b450 gaming plus max
rtx 3060 12gigs
antec a30 cooler (purchased)
G.SKILL Ripjaws V 16GB x 2

[cyan ravine]

and the psu

mwe bronze v2

[muted shore]

Cooler Master MWE 650 Bronze V2

yes

[cyan ravine]

how much is that so far

[muted shore]

180 for cpu
109.78 for mobo
325.23 for gpu
41.35 per stick ram
65.13 for psu

[cyan ravine]

700

ish

720ish

[muted shore]

764

can afford about 200 usd more

[cyan ravine]

lets fit an ssd first

500gb

what's the cheapest nvme

[muted shore]

37usd

[cyan ravine]

what's it called

[muted shore]

oh wait

41usd

Crucial P3 500GB PCIe 3.0 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD, up to 3500MB/s - CT500P3SSD8

[cyan ravine]

not bad

what alternatives

[muted shore]

what should i be looking for in nvme ssds?

[cyan ravine]

just name them

unless you want to spend days learning about these too lol

give me 4 other names

[muted shore]

no thanks lol

[cyan ravine]

I'll pick from 5

[muted shore]

yes

WD Green™ SN350 PCIe Gen 3 NVMe™ SSD, 500GB

[cyan ravine]

pass

next

[muted shore]

WD Blue™ SN580 PCIe Gen 4 NVMe™ SSD Internal Storage, 500GB

[cyan ravine]

better

next

[muted shore]

Samsung 980 500GB Up to 3,500 MB/s PCIe 3.0 NVMe M.2 (2280) Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (MZ-V8V500)

[cyan ravine]

nope

next

[muted shore]

59 usd

[muted shore]

for this

[cyan ravine]

one more

59 is way too much

[muted shore]

Samsung 980 PRO 500GB Up to 6,900 MB/s PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 (2280) Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (MZ-V8P500)

80usd

[cyan ravine]

that's all the options?

anything in between?

[muted shore]

Samsung 980 PRO 500GB Up to 6,900 MB/s PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 (2280) Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (MZ-V8P500)

Western Digital WD Black SN770 NVMe 500GB, Upto 5000MB/s, 5Y Warranty, PCIe Gen 3 NVMe M.2 (2280), Gaming Storage, Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (WDS500G3X0E)

GIGABYTE Gen3 NVMe 2500E SSD 500GB M.2 2280 PCIe 3.0x4 Internal Solid State Drive (G325E500G)

Kingston NV2 PCle 4.0 NVMe M.2 Internal SSD Up 500GB to 3500 MB/s

okay so i got another one

another dealer

Adata Legend 800 PCIe Gen4 M.2 NVMe 1000GB SSD

Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe M.2 500GB SSD

[cyan ravine]

can you give the prices from these

how much was the sn580?

[muted shore]

75.39

[muted shore]

48

[cyan ravine]

ok and have any of the others been cheaper apart from the p3

and the wd green

[muted shore]

Crucial P3 500GB

Samsung 980 500GB (somewhat)

Western Digital WD Black SN770

TEAMGROUP T-Force CARDEA Zero Z44L

these 4 are the cheapest ones

[cyan ravine]

what's the price of each

[muted shore]

or

okay

ill add one more

nah thats too much

but thats 1 tb

Kingston NV2 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD

[cyan ravine]

just the price of the other 4

SN770

Z44L

980

[muted shore]

59.10

[muted shore]

42.99

[muted shore]

60

79.60 for 980pro

[cyan ravine]

Z44L\

best one

then

whatever you have left

put it towards a better gpu

3070

3060ti

3080 if possible

4070

[muted shore]

r5 5600
b450 gaming plus max
rtx 3060 12gigs
antec a30 cooler (purchased)
G.SKILL Ripjaws V 16GB x 2
TEAMGROUP T-Force CARDEA Zero Z44L 500GB

807usd

[cyan ravine]

so you have about, 160 left

if you can push up to like a used 3080 that would be ideal

3070 would be good

[muted shore]

got 200 more lol

[cyan ravine]

albeit the vram loss it's a major step up

used 3080 would be peak

you don't lose the vram but you almost double your performance

[muted shore]

sadly no 3080

i dont even think i can get a new one

thats how scarce the higher end gpus are

anyways

i got some left

a lot tbh

for a gud gpu

about 480

i can increase it a bit

no 3070 tho

[cyan ravine]

3060 ti?

what about 4070

[muted shore]

3060ti 8gb

[cyan ravine]

can you stretch to 4070

[cyan ravine]

ik

[muted shore]

4060ti yes

4070 no

[cyan ravine]

4060 ti kinda meh

[muted shore]

how bad

[cyan ravine]

it's a 3060ti

but worse

like

almost literally

[muted shore]

lmao

okay lemme see

i just might

be able to push

lol

ASUS DUAL GEFORCE RTX 4070 OC EDITION 12GB GDDR6X

oh wait

cant 😦

[cyan ravine]

how much

[muted shore]

out of my budget

687

how good is 4070 compared to 4060

[cyan ravine]

jesus 687 is disgusting

significantly better

almost the same jump as the 3080 I talked about

[muted shore]

woah

hmm

3070 doesnt exist here

3060ti is idk why so expensive

3060 12gb and 4060ti

are what i can get

3070 priced at 4070s price

can i push on the cpu?

good cpus are available here for some reason

at a good price

[cyan ravine]

hmm

5700x is about as high as you could go tbh

would help

@muted shore

[muted shore]

R7 5700x?

[cyan ravine]

mhm

not 5800x

5700x

[muted shore]

I can push a bit more

[cyan ravine]

5800x you can't really do

how much more tho

cos at that point you should change case

[muted shore]

Case isn't that bad

[cyan ravine]

it's not, but it's reaching the point where notable improvement is non-existent

4060Ti/3060Ti is, kinda better kinda worse

[muted shore]

Yeah you're right

[cyan ravine]

cpu is kinda better

5700x

[muted shore]

Okay 5700x

[cyan ravine]

beyond that, you want a real step up

[muted shore]

What GPU then

3060 12 gb

4060

4060ti

I can push to 4060ti with r5 5600

Or R7 5700x

With 3060 12 giga

Gigs

[cyan ravine]

honestly the 5700x sounds more incremental than the 4060ti imo

you get a noteworthy amount of more cpu, which kind of matters

then anything else I'd do case

[muted shore]

Right

[cyan ravine]

spec 02 is arguably corsair's probably only case that aged well

but still

if you can upgrade it to something more usable, it'll be a good quality of life improvement

not to mention thermals will probably be a fair bit better

which in turn boosts performance

[muted shore]

You're right but

I got nowhere to throw it

[cyan ravine]

then stop at this point

nothing really improves beyond this

unless you can get a used 3080 somehow

[muted shore]

Well that's not possible so lol

I can get fans for the case maybe

I got 3 fans

2 for intake

1 for exhaust

What about fancy liquid cooling

Or just liquid cooling

That won't be needed ig

[cyan ravine]

nah

I'd just stop at this point

unless you know the applications you're working with are ok with 8gb vram

[muted shore]

Case fans?

[cyan ravine]

meh

[muted shore]

8gb is enough tbh but more is better

So lemme sum this up

r7 5700x
b450 gaming plus max
rtx 3060 12gigs
G.SKILL Ripjaws V 16GB x 2
TEAMGROUP T-Force CARDEA Zero Z44L 500GB

843usd

120 left

I can get a thermal paste maybe

I got gelid gc extreme rn

Use it for my laptop

Cuz of its density

Good for pc as well?

[cyan ravine]

you'll want paste

arctic mx4 or arctic mx6

should be all tho

[muted shore]

Okay

Thanks a lot

Bless you

Hope you have a great day

Will update when building the pc

[cyan ravine]

np

[muted shore]

Also

Are 4 sticks okay

8 gig sticks

Nah it's fine

Getting https://www.amazon.in/G-Skill-Ripjaws-Desktop-Memory-F4-3600C18S-16GVK/dp/B0B71H114T/ref=asc_df_B0B71H114T/?tag=googleshopmob-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=586186784143&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6521547382575275256&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9299136&hvtargid=pla-1720566681291&psc=1&mcid=391002e9e30e3643bf2729d696cd05e5&gclid=CjwKCAiAloavBhBOEiwAbtAJO8IBH6zN-GPC65wD5-OPzdSqgVQEO2pWNNRftND8mNZjCi90lelhtxoCvcUQAvD_BwE

[cyan ravine]

4 is fine

if you really want to

it's arguably worse but in a vacuum you'd never notice the difference

provided it runs ofc

but I'd personally do 2

less chance for an issue

[muted shore]

Yeah I'm getting 2

[cyan ravine]

in fact

you COULD

do 4x16

that would be a potential measurable improvement

this would be on some par of performance with like an older 11900KF, 64gb platform

but the 3060 has the vram so albeit slower will definitely work

my only concern is you should check the ram sticks when you get them to make sure they're all the same

hence 2 is still probably better

[muted shore]

64gb ram?

[cyan ravine]

ye

4 of those ripjaws sticks or good 2x32

it would kind of be ideal if you can get these in all one kit imo

32gb or 64gb

like a few more dollars for the guarantee the sticks are identical and made to work together would be nice insurance imo

[muted shore]

I don't get the identical rams part

Oh I get it

Lemme see

[cyan ravine]

ye buying a bunch together is fairly safe, but you never know

when you buy a set of sticks in one pack you carry a better guarantee they're all compatible with each other

cos underneath they can be made completely differently despite the same label on the box

[muted shore]

Yeah you're right

the bundle costs 30 dollars more

[cyan ravine]

omg that's a lot

lmao

what was the price of the D30's again

the adata

[muted shore]

i mean buying the whole bundle vs buying the rams individually

[cyan ravine]

4?

[muted shore]

2

[cyan ravine]

bleh

how much was the adata again

[muted shore]

48 per stick

[cyan ravine]

that was 16*2 or separate?

[muted shore]

16*2

[cyan ravine]

that would be nice

we have leftover budget so I'd do that

[muted shore]

its 50 dollars more with bundle

[cyan ravine]

you could take the chance even and do 162 + 162

[muted shore]

16*2

[cyan ravine]

bundle?

oh ew

wth

[muted shore]

lol

[cyan ravine]

that's whack pricing

[cyan ravine]

do the ripjaws bundle

or if you can return

do the individual sticks

[muted shore]

i meant 50 usd for ripjaws lol

[cyan ravine]

oh ic

my bad

[muted shore]

140 individually and 193 bundled

[cyan ravine]

so do the adata 2x16 bundle then

[muted shore]

no bundle for d30

[cyan ravine]

ehhh

[muted shore]

sorry for confusion

lemme check

[cyan ravine]

if you have a cheap 2*16 bundle for only a little bit more

otherwise the risk is too low to bother imo

there's a chance they can be different individually, but it's low if you buy them together (someone takes them from the same batch of stock from the same shipment)

g.skill is also pretty good

[muted shore]

can you explain the difference?

yeah im getting gskill individually

cheaper

[cyan ravine]

in layman terms

the componentry on said sticks can be entirely different

yet the sticks both do "3200MHz"

but by mixing the different sticks together

they use different parameters with the motherboard to hit said frequency

and by mixing them together, the numbers clash, the timings have to be stretched

to the point where in a lot of cases, the numbers are so big, the motherboard can't run them

this is the problem I was basically outlining earlier with the vengeance corsair sticks

when you get two identical sticks, the motherboard will use the same parameters instead of trying to compromise

the numbers are much easier to hit as both sticks will do the same

so it's both faster and more compatible/stable

[muted shore]

oh i see

[cyan ravine]

for context, parameters, numbers, timings, all implying the same thing

[muted shore]

well im getting 3600mhz ones

[muted shore]

yes i understand

[cyan ravine]

you can if you want, it will reduce the chance of mixing more

as 3600 has less possible IC's

especially from g.skill

it's often some form of hynix like jjr

but the increase itself to 3600 from 3200 will only give a few % performance

[muted shore]

they dont have 16gb 3200mhz lol

[cyan ravine]

oh ok

so it's the same sticks from the beginning

or rather, the first g.skill we picked

[muted shore]

yes

gskill ripjaws V

[cyan ravine]

yeah just give it a try

send a pic of the sticker on the back

when you get them

and we can check

it's not a big deal if the manufacturer is the same

but if different then oof

i.e samsung and hynix

vs both hynix

[muted shore]

lol nah

the worst that can happen is i dont get the rams at all

or they break

and they dont take them back

[cyan ravine]

lol

well anyway I gotta go

good luck with it

[muted shore]

thanks again

have a great day

will order today

[upper sorrel]

I am thinking of adding a second set of fans to my aio radiator. Should I do this, and if yes, should I put the second one in the same direction as the first one or opposite directions?

[dusky hearth]

Should you do it? Not really, there is almost no benefit with modern PC fans
Should you put it in the same or different direction? You need to put it in the same direction; both in opposite directions will just cause it to not work

You'll be spending like $10 for like 2c of improvements

Or even more if you're using more expensive fans

[fossil cedar]

There's no benefit with pc fans to have them on bith sides of the radiator full stop not even modern

But yeah masisve waste of your money

[dusky hearth]

I mean, depends on the static pressure that the fans can generate, if you have really dense radiator fins and like an airflow fan, that might not be the most effective

But the question would be why are you using airflow fans on a radiator

If that was the case lmao

[upper sorrel]

I am using an asus tuf lc 240argb aio

I was thinking about the possibility of cooling the system further, if possible

[jagged ember]

You probably won't see a difference ngl

Like they've been saying, there's basically no benefit since the original fans on the aio are high static pressure

Airflow fans on the other side of the aio likely wouldn't assist with cooling to a noticeable degree

[fossil cedar]

You'd be better off just making the fan curve more aggressive and making sure that the aio pump is set to 100%

And possibly filling the rest of the fans in your case if there's empty slots

[upper sorrel]

Kk ty

[vagrant thistle]

I’m lost

Somebody tell me what to do next

I left it like that overnight I got too stressed

[lone flame]

mount the cooler install the gpu and cable manage

[vagrant thistle]

What about power supply

It’s confusing I haven’t done it yet

[late fjord]

Let's gooo

[crimson zinc]

Now get me one

[mossy venture]

Hey

Check this out on @Newegg:SAPPHIRE PULSE Radeon RX 5700 XT 11293-01-20G 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 x16 ATX Video Card https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-5700-xt-11293-01-20g/p/N82E16814202367T?Item=N82E16814202367T&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-202-367T-_-03012024

For your friends build $110 5700xt

Nvm

Oos sadge

[crimson zinc]

Was just about to type that

[mossy venture]

Check out tech deals tho

[dusky hearth]

Bro just follow the step by step instructions in the videos, if you're unable to even follow those, we won't be able to help you much better than that

[little osprey]

Quick question

Can I cut these?

These are fan wires

No use for them at all

Can I just cut the extra fan wiring like that?

[frigid night]

You can, but you shouldn't. 1st, if you do, you'll want to wrap the ends in electrical tape so they can't short out on anything. 2nd, if you ever need that connector for any unforseen reason, you're sol.

Just learn to do good cable management.

[little osprey]

yea am tryna figure out

how to do good cable management

You can see in the second pic

that its coming along

[frigid night]

Yep.

[little osprey]

thx

@frigid night

1 more question

How would I open it

Cant find a way

[crimson zinc]

@mossy venture I’m trying to bring him in here to help sell him on a pc

[limber oyster]

How does a ASRock phantom a770 compare to an Asus dual 12GB 3060?

[weary galleon]

I believe the a770 should be slightly ahead in most titles but occasionally will lose by a lot due to intel gpu weirdness. Granted they are fixing more and more of those edge cases over time.

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

[mossy venture]

Better

But check out #tech-deals

Better options than either

[limber oyster]

Trying to stay under $400 and 12GB vram or more @mossy venture

[weary galleon]

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-speedster-qick319-video-card-rx-67xtyludp-amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814150851T?Item=N82E16814150851T&Source=socialshare

Either that or the 6750xt Mech which like Bacca said is same price but a decent step down in cooling

[limber oyster]

I was also debating doing a 4060/4070

Mainly 4070

[mossy venture]

6750xt or 6700xt

4070 refurb is 460 in tech deals

[limber oyster]

OOS

[crimson zinc]

I feel like all the techies combined could make a “Gaming PC standard build” for each price range of $200 increments.
(500-799, 800-1099, etc etc)

Like a collaborative effort with all the great minds

I get people have different biases for intel/amd CPUs and intel/nvidia/amd gpus, but those are easily swapped.

[little osprey]

Does anyone know how to open this

😭

[bleak sedge]

I’m having issues with shutting down my pc, whenever i shut it down either by hitting shut down or hitting the I/O switch the pc shuts down to the point where i dont have any visuals but all of the LED items stay on(fans, ram, aio and graphics card)

Everything is up to date drivers and update wise to my knowledge

[limber oyster]

Check this out on @Newegg:ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Phantom Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6, AMD RDNA 2 (RX6800XT PGD 16GO) https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx6800xt-pgd-16go/p/N82E16814930049?Item=N82E16814930049&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-930-049-_-03012024

This good deal?

[manic cloak]

Ehhhh

spend the extra 40$ for the 30% boost

[limber oyster]

?

The taichi?

Is Newegg being super slow for anyone else?

[mossy venture]

This is good

[south cliff]

I guess the 4080 open box went off sale

[south cliff]

You pull the plastic part off

[weary galleon]

Thing is, prices change kinda often and can result in the best cpu/gpu for a given price range changing

[crimson zinc]

Update it every 3-6 months.

[open jungle]

Bought excessive fans for the pc

3x P8 MAX’s

Hehehehe 5000rpm on 80mm will be fun

[open jungle]

So I’ve figured something out about my pc
Airflows a bit weird
3080 pulls air in the pass through cooling on one side and pulls air against the aio into the blower side
So uh, idk how to put the 80mm fans on the top 😭
aio fans pushes air through the radiator and out the side of the case

[little osprey]

I built my first itx system last week for my son.
I parted everything out on pcpartpicker and it was all compatible by their standards
Turns out the thermaltake core v1 lies about GPU clearance
Iirc it says 255mm clearance, or 285 without the drive bays
The drive bays are actually on the opposite side of the case, up above the motherboard, so they don't affect gpu space at all
It's actually 255mm firm, no way to expand to 285mm
And actually I'm pretty sure it's slightly under 255mm anyway. That or I got really unlucky with manufacturing tolerances
I got him a 5600xt sapphire pulse OC
254mm length
It was really really close and it took a while, but I ended up making it fit. Had to slightly bend the case frame, and to get it into position I had to insert it into the case at a weird angle and then straighten it out before installing in the pcie slot.
Had saved the GPU for last, but ended up having to basically take the whole build apart because the ram was in the way, and the CPU cooler was keeping me from taking the ram out. Then when I took the cpu cooler out to take the ram out so I could get the gpu in, the CPU cooler backplate fell out, so because of how the case is set up I had to take the PSU out to get the mounting hardware back in position
The build came out nice but man was it a pain. Very simple build turned into a few hours of work

Anyway, my point is if you plan to build a system in the thermaltake core v1, keep the GPU at or under 250mm. Don't believe the specs where it says it can accommodate a 285mm GPU because there is absolutely no way to make a 255mm GPU fit, much less 285mm despite the specs thermaltake provides

Oh and since I built it, pcpartpicker no longer lists the sapphire pulse 5600xt OC as being compatible with the core v1, which I think is funny. Sometime in the last two weeks someone else must have tried it and realized

[cyan ravine]

oh damn that's a tiny case haha

that sounds painful af but at least it worked out

reminds me of when I was still using the 220T

I stuck a 3080 eagle into it...

which had no right to be there

it was too big to be there

I had similar issues lol

but fit in the end without a fan at the front

[crimson zinc]

This is always gonna be a thing that panics me

Just something just not fitting and throwing everything in a loop

[little osprey]

Yeah that's way worse lol like 20mm difference. Was taking the front fan out all you had to do to make it fit?

[cyan ravine]

yep

weird orientations

rotate

many rotations

eventually it slipped in place

which came with an upside

it was so hard up against the fan rails

it was supported from sag

[little osprey]

It was even worse because before I started putting it together my wife was like "how's that all gonna fit in that tiny little case" and i showed her pcpartpicker like "see I'm not dumb I'm making sure everything is compatible before I even buy it"
And then it didn't fit. It was like pcpartpicker and thermaltake joined forces to embarrass me in front of my wife.

[cyan ravine]

your wife changed it

💀

she runs pcpp you just don't know that yet

[little osprey]

@cyan ravine I'm surprised Corsair takes the pre installed fans into account in their dimensions specs.
That's really good on their part, cause it would be very easy for them to call it 320mm instead of 300 and possibly move a few more units based on that.
Good guy corsair

[cyan ravine]

that's how it should be tho

[little osprey]

I agree but thermaltake has now taught me that you can't trust official specs.

[reef moss]

So im building my first pc and I got a MSI PRO B650M-A WiFi ProSeries MATX Motherboard

Im worried that my gpu will be too big which is a XFX Speedster SWFT319 ,Radeon™ RX 6800

My case im not sure if it matters is a

Montech AIR 903 Base, E-ATX Mid Tower Case

any input would be greatly helpful

This is my full build. all my parts will be here next friday

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wskF34

[cyan ravine]

did you make this?

Cos it's honestly solid

I can tidy it up a little more

[reef moss]

Well I already bought all of the parts LOL

Ill take an upgrade list. next month ill have 700 dollars in upgrades to add

[cyan ravine]

is there any chance you can cancel the ssd and cpu

cos you will save a good $100 almost

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-7600x-ryzen-5-7000-series/p/N82E16819113770?Item=N82E16819113770&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com&recaptcha=pass

[reef moss]

I have the cpu already sad

[cyan ravine]

Free SSD with the cpu and cheaper

the catch 22 is you need a tower cooler

one sec

[reef moss]

Oh crap

That would have been awesome

My buddy has a amd stock cooler hes giving me

[cyan ravine]

oh damn it fits

[reef moss]

do you have any upgrade suggestions?

[cyan ravine]

hold on

let me cook a min

what you have was really good btw

[reef moss]

Thank you I forget who helped me but I only changed the mobo and the cpu

[crimson zinc]

F

[cyan ravine]

@reef moss min max'd

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rNTZDZ

[crimson zinc]

@cyan ravine min max yourself rn

[reef moss]

Bacca helped me out

[cyan ravine]

the PSU is equal slightly cheaper

gpu better

case not as good but dummy cheap

ram better

and the cpu + ssd + cooler combo

make of this what you will

if you can improve, sweet

if not, still solid

that cpu +ssd deal, too good to pass up imo tho

[reef moss]

Hell yeah

Is that gpu much better?

[cyan ravine]

about

20%?

[reef moss]

still good

[crimson zinc]

@cyan ravine I own an Amazon basics keyboard now
It showed up at my house without a label at all
So now I own a new $12 keyboard

I didn’t even buy it

[cyan ravine]

call amazon about it?

[analog hearth]

I would just keep it lol. It's undocumented. By the time you go through the effort of sending it back, that’s basically $12 in labor. You lost basically $24 by doing that (keyboard plus labor)

[cyan ravine]

well yeah amazon would say keep it

not saying to send it back

no one would organise that

costs more than it's worth

my instinct would be to tell them tho that you got it

[crimson zinc]

I guess I don’t gotta buy a keyboard lmao

So my cost goes down about $50 lmao

[earnest olive]

the keyboard has chosen you

[crimson zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-been-chosen-claw-toy-story-buzz-lightyear-gif-17348382

[mossy venture]

Isn't the dual oc among the worst 7800xt

[potent portal]

That would be a warning sign to me. Someone could hack the keyboard firmware or add a chip inside to make it a keylogger or something.

If it had your neighbor's address it something then yeah it's a mistake, but no label? The Amazon driver literally can't deliver without that.

Amazon is also known to test their drivers by throwing curve balls like an unlabeled package, just in case they're tempted to steal it. In which case either the box has a tiny gps tracker in it or the keyboard does.

[severe hull]

Hello all, had a quick question just did a new build. Transferd over SSD. She wants to boot but because we had windows lock screen it's asking to change code but it won't allow because we are not connected to wifi .

Can I connect to wifi in bios ?

Aorus bios

[potent portal]

You might need to connect via Ethernet cable temporarily.

[severe hull]

Crappie

Lol thanks

[cyan ravine]

where'd you see that?

I couldn't see any for the 7800xt, but the 4060 one seems good

4070

https://static.tweaktown.com/content/1/0/10454_75_asus-dual-geforce-rtx-4070-oc-edition-review_full.jpg

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10454/asus-dual-geforce-rtx-4070-oc-edition/index.html#Temperature-and-Power-Efficiency

mmm idk

[severe hull]

This worked !

[cyan ravine]

I can't find 7800xt anywhere

[severe hull]

So looks like everything booted up as if it was on the old PC even though it's a new motherboard and New CPU. Do I leave it or is there anything I should do as far as updates bios etc

[manic cloak]

Wdym

[earnest olive]

optimally you'd want to find and uninstall your old chipset drivers

[manic cloak]

Nvm I found out what he means

[earnest olive]

and install new chipset drivers for your new hardware

but if it's working without issues it's not that big of a deal

[severe hull]

Yea only issue I'm having is rear fan did not turn on

[earnest olive]

that's not OS related

perhaps you wired it incorrectly or the header it's plugged into is bad

[severe hull]

That sucks

Maybe wrong lol

My first time

[earnest olive]

it's possible to set a fan to 0% idle but you'd still see it spin up at boot before stopping

yeah but tbh one fan is not critical for the system so I wouldn't worry too much about figuring it out asap

[severe hull]

Thanks

I'm running Lan but I need wifi

Not popping up in settings

[earnest olive]

gonna need wifi driver

[severe hull]

Where do I get that ?

Super newb man

Built this pc for my son

[potent portal]

What motherboard model? It'll be on the support page

[earnest olive]

are you sure you got a mobo that has wifi?

wifi is not a default feature in custom PCs like it is in prebuilts and laptops

[potent portal]

I searched up message history and I think the new motherboard is a gigabyte b550m but that doesn't narrow it down much tbh

Ah found a pic

Aorus elite ax

v1.3

[earnest olive]

that is indeed a wifi board

[potent portal]

@severe hull
Wifi https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Driver/mb_driver_639_realtekwifi_2024.0.10.123.zip?v=4241bf7747e6983a1119646ff882ef06
Bluetooth https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Driver/mb_driver_640_realtek_1.8.1030.3007.zip?v=47c5aa02b44a03b4e129807a87174dbe

[severe hull]

Should I reset after install

[potent portal]

Windows reset? If you want. Generally it's not needed unless you're having issues.

[severe hull]

I don't see a change yet

No wifi tab

[potent portal]

You extracted and ran the installer?

[severe hull]

Belive so I've done this

[potent portal]

Ok hit finish and restart

Is it windows 10 or 11

[severe hull]

11

[potent portal]

You'll want this too, chipset update https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/amd_chipset_software_6.01.25.342.exe

[severe hull]

Thank you

[crimson zinc]

I’ll set it up with a remote system when I get home

[severe hull]

Link is bad

But I'm looking it up

[potent portal]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/b550

[mossy venture]

It was ass on the 5700xt

And 6700xt iirc

I'd know on the first one, I have one lol

[severe hull]

Still no wifi on new build

Doesn't even come up ad an option

[polar zenith]

I’m getting lag spikes in game. Ram is recognized and working fine , how do I see my cpu temp?

Everything is hooked up, it’s all I can think of with GPU temps being fine and ran

Ram *

Ram is only used 20%

[analog hearth]

What game?

[polar zenith]

Redm

[analog hearth]

Don't know what that is 💀

[potent portal]

That one with the exclamation point that says "network controller" is the one you want to look at. Right click it, properties, details tab, in the drop down box "hardware IDs", and that will tell us exactly what model wifi it is.

[polar zenith]

Read dead

Red dead redemption

[analog hearth]

It's probably going to have spikes given that it's a port

What about other games though?

[potent portal]

Do you have XMP on? Is that the only game with problems?
You can check system stats with hwinfo.

Since you have a 7600X, XMP might also be referred to as EXPO.

Or memory profiles I've also seen it called

[polar zenith]

Haven’t tried will soon

[potent portal]

Looks like no, xmp is off

sensors are what to look at for system stats

But xmp off is probably the root cause

Profile 1 appears to be the best option but those are all pretty weak

[polar zenith]

How do u turn this on?

Shoot I wish there was a VC in here

[potent portal]

There is but I have no headset right now

My main PC is ded

[polar zenith]

Should I run a benchmark and go from there?

[potent portal]

You would turn on xmp from your bios

Most boards will default to a "simple" main screen and the memory profile option would be there

Often on the left

[polar zenith]

Gonna try this then the benchmark

[late fjord]

Meet my new elite employees

[little osprey]

I literally cant

OHHHH

THanks

stupid

Literally

just

answered all of my questions

[crimson zinc]

@potent portal I feel like a dummy

That box had a tracking slip
It was on the side of the box
Was meant for another state, same address

They ain’t getting their $12 keyboard back

Wonder how ups screwed that up so bad

[potent portal]

Ah ok, red flags cleared

[potent portal]

On that properties window on the right, go to the details tab and select hardware ID from the drop down

[crimson zinc]

This isn’t the first time I’ve gotten something with the exact same address, different state(I’ve gotten some small kitchen utensils and a small set of oven mitts)
I wonder if the person who’s ordering these things isn’t aware that they’re getting something wrong

[potent portal]

At least if it happens in the reverse and you have packages that go missing you know why and who to blame

[crimson zinc]

True true

[severe hull]

I think it has an issue it's not showing anything

[potent portal]

Nothing in the details tab or nothing in the device ID drop down?

[upper sorrel]

I got a pc from someone and want to upgrade it from an am3 to an am5 motherboard. The biggest thing I want to make sure of is that it has no rgb lighting. The case is a corsair 200r, and the current motherboard is a gigabyte ga-z97x-gaming 7

[polar zenith]

Updated XMP and gonna run it a lot tonight but so far it is better

For some reason I can now see my cpu temps to