building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

the imc was also shot

I see someone else saying 225w at 1.328v

[cyan ravine]

Hey

Hey

[earnest olive]

I was running above that

[cyan ravine]

12900K obeyed tdp

It is

The only chip💀

But it obeyed

253W

[earnest olive]

even in p95?

my 13700k wants way more than 253w at stock with pl removed

[cyan ravine]

I have no idea, can't remember lol

Also my phone is dying in the next like 2 minutes

[earnest olive]

pretty sure even stock wants 400w+

[cyan ravine]

Nah my 12900kf never wanted that much

[earnest olive]

on my 13700k

[cyan ravine]

Oh that would

Yes

[earnest olive]

but I can only cool up to a 360w spike

[cyan ravine]

Remember when they stopped at 330

Those were the days

[earnest olive]

remember when they stopped at 80

oh wait that was just my 7800x3d

💀

[cyan ravine]

Real

[earnest olive]

hook it up to psu

fast charging

[cyan ravine]

6%

[earnest olive]

6% only lasts you 2 minutes of discord?

[cyan ravine]

It's a trap

It says 6% but it's actually 1%

[earnest olive]

bro overclocked his phone

[cyan ravine]

I did

[earnest olive]

you know the salesman told me I could overclock this phone and my eyes went wide

and I asked him if there was voltage control

[cyan ravine]

It's gonna die any minute now

[earnest olive]

and he was like "what"

"overclocking means changing graphics settings"

[cyan ravine]

"Changing screen to 120hz"

[earnest olive]

I wanted to daily an undervolted phone 😔

lmao I changed it from 120hz to 60hz

[cyan ravine]

That's my main issue

I just daily 120hz now

And I know it's dumb

But I can't go back 💀

[earnest olive]

I can't tell the difference between 60hz and 120hz on a phone

[cyan ravine]

I really can

[potent portal]

They have that now, USB headers directly on the PSU

[cyan ravine]

On this phone it's really noticeable

[earnest olive]

my old phone had a 1440p screen and I dailied that at 720p and could barely tell the difference

[cyan ravine]

OLED go brrr

[earnest olive]

3 days of battery life was pretty cool

[cyan ravine]

I never thought of that, I should just put down the reso

[earnest olive]

I think mine is oled too

[cyan ravine]

Welp I'm still going

But any second now it dies then I'm charging the phone

Lol

[earnest olive]

sadly my new phone has no res control

stuck at 2560x1080

[earnest olive]

nah solder the +12v rail directly to your phone

faster charging

like yeah +5v would be safer but who cares what your phone is actually designed for when you could have speed

my old phone came with a 65w brick and I was actually kinda scared of that thing

[potent portal]

It probably only charged at that wattage up to like 30% though

[earnest olive]

negative

[potent portal]

50%?

[earnest olive]

I only tested it once but out of the box it took my phone to 70% in like 3 minutes LOL

never found out if it's limited

[potent portal]

Wow, it would be fun to watch that attached to a kill-a-watt and see

[earnest olive]

my mom still has the brick

gave it to her after she got an iphone and it didn't come with one

[crimson zinc]

So it has great airflow, part compatibility/size to fit hefty parts, and has quality build materials?

[south cliff]

Sold my pc for 1800

Big w

[plucky timber]

DAMN

You can build an entirely new rig

[south cliff]

I know but I don’t think he wants to do all of that and he just said he wants it for the 3090 for the 24gb of vram

[crimson zinc]

Or just buy a single 4090

much better investment, just gotta buy all the other accessories

[south cliff]

Your right

[south cliff]

Also is the m.2 sad good i saw it was only like 5300mpbs but some other ones go up to 7000

[mossy venture]

Get p3 plus 4tb

It's cheap asf rn

$155

If you dont want to spend that much, either the one felix linked, ud90, mp44l, or gm7000

[south cliff]

Is that one good?

[mossy venture]

Yes

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PPpzK8/crucial-p3-plus-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct4000p3pssd8

[south cliff]

I’m probably gonna get it

[mossy venture]

Not trying to be rude by saying this or anything but I wouldn't suggest it if it wasn't lol

[south cliff]

Like what I was saying is like is it good compared to the others you recommended

[mossy venture]

Ah

For gaming it's mostly irrelevant honestly

[south cliff]

More storage but less speed or less storage but more speed

[mossy venture]

As long as you have an ssd for boot drive you don't see much of a difference between the fastest gen 5 ssd and a hard drive in gaming

And the difference between a p3 plus and a gm7000 is almost negligible side by side

[south cliff]

But load times are quicker compared to my 2.5 inch ssd

[mossy venture]

I mean yeah?

[south cliff]

I’m stupid

I thought you meant load times

[mossy venture]

I have a sata and a p41 plus in the same system and don't see much of a difference

[south cliff]

You mean like game performance

[mossy venture]

I mean overall including load times

It'll be faster yeah

Maybe a couple seconds I'd imagine at most

Basically

[south cliff]

But also I don’t gotta plug a extra power supply cable in and I get to remove hard drive cage

So that’s good

[mossy venture]

As long as you're not doing a couple certain workstation tasks

[south cliff]

Nah I only play Roblox

[mossy venture]

Any nvme ssd as long as it isn't a drive known for failing or having issues, it's fine

[south cliff]

And like helldivers

[mossy venture]

It won't be enough of a difference to really matter

[south cliff]

I’ll get the p3 plus

4 tb for 166

Is pretty good

[mossy venture]

Best value ssd we've seen since prices have risen I think

[south cliff]

Taxes are crazy

[mossy venture]

Hell even 1tb prices can't compare

$58 for a decent 1tb minimum as of late

[south cliff]

Can’t wait to see the difference between a ryzen 7 7800x3d and a 4080 from a 12600k and 3090

First time having a amd cpu

[mossy venture]

I'm hoping to upgrade to a 4070 super-4080 tier gpu later this year or next year

Also hoping new oleds are much cheaper

[south cliff]

What do you have now

[potent portal]

It's more like 0.1 second between gen 3 and gen 4

Windows loads a full 0.9 seconds faster too

Totally not worth it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102614680338456/1115505510154768404/image.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/885523647400390686/1100323030443511818/image.png

[analog hearth]

Still better than a hard drive

[south cliff]

Yeah I used to have a 2 tb hdd and a 1tb 2.5 inch ssd so it should be better because I don’t gotta use any data cables I can remove the hdd cage and I don’t gotta use psi cables to plug the SATA hdd and ssd in so it will be good for cable management

[obsidian wolf]

For unreal engine 5 what would be better the 4060 ti with 16gb of vram or the 3070 non ti 8gb?

can not find any graphics comparison online, and looking to see if anyone here is more adapt to the topic

[obsidian wigeon]

3070 tbh

[obsidian wolf]

alright, what would you think be the metric comparison?

any actual noticeable difference?

[mossy venture]

What's the price diff?

[obsidian wolf]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-rtx-4060-ti-ventus-3x-16g-oc/p/N82E16814137819?Item=N82E16814137819&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2Fproduct%2Ff7pQzy%2Fmsi-ventus-3x-oc-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-16-gb-video-card-rtx-4060-ti-ventus-3x-16g-oc&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-fb1pH3ZgLXzxGWZmjpwhuA

[mossy venture]

And im assuming you're developing games on unreal engine 5?

[obsidian wigeon]

Price matters the most tbh

[obsidian wolf]

this one can be downed to 435$

[mossy venture]

I'd imagine it's a matter of vram

[obsidian wolf]

with promo

[mossy venture]

At least, at this close of a price

[obsidian wigeon]

435, oof

[mossy venture]

But there might be better options as well

One sec

[obsidian wolf]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B098Q4M4WH?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

and then there's this one

350$

but i know my friend will not only be doing un5

I know he'll play video games as well

and Im thinking on the factor that radeom is to slow for it

so nvidia is the pick here

but also that 8gb of vram is to low already

that if you want to play high quality

[mossy venture]

On zotac store there's a $300 3070

That'd be better value

Is an nvidia gpu required for unreal engine 5?

Ah you just said that mb

[obsidian wolf]

Is much faster than radeom that is

even my 6950xt would be slow

in un5

[mossy venture]

Are you sure that holds true with 7000 serejs too?

[obsidian wolf]

mmm, the research show

[mossy venture]

7000 series improved a lot in a lot of workstation tasks

[obsidian wolf]

only high end

7000 series

[obsidian wigeon]

I think it's to do with nanite

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

Ok lemme take a look around

[obsidian wolf]

thx 🙂

[mossy venture]

https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-a30700f-10plhr-o

There's the 3070 I mentioned

[mossy venture]

This is a lil bit cheaper 4060 ti 16gb https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-zt-d40620f-10m/p/N82E16814500569?Item=N82E16814500569&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-500-569-_-02252024

3070 is around 10% better than 4060 ti raw perf wise

In ue5 4060 ti might be better, especially if he needs more than 8gb vram

[obsidian wolf]

yeah

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nVZXsY/azza-sanctum-atx-desktop-case-csaz-810

[obsidian wolf]

Thx a lot

[crimson zinc]

This case

Is massive

[obsidian wolf]

nonetheless!

[south cliff]

I should be able to buy all of the pc parts tomorrow besides the ssd I will have to wait maybe a week to order is there another 4080 that is cheaper so I can buy everything together or is that zotac open box 4080 the cheapest

Ah nvm it’s out of stock that sucks

[mossy venture]

Yeah, but it'll likely come back in stock

There won't be anything like that deal otherwise tho, at least I highly highly doubt it

This might be similar in terms of perf/$, but not really an upgrade from a 3090 so I'd imagine you'll pass on that
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-6900-xt-gv-r69xtgaming-oc-16gd/p/N82E16814932414T

[south cliff]

Alright hoping one come in stock tommorow

500 is pretty good price

But since I know I can fit a 4080 into my budget with the zotac I will just wait till it comes back in stock

[crimson zinc]

Ez, just make your entire budget a 4090

[south cliff]

I wish

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[cyan ravine]

The advertised "up to" speeds of an SSD is a metric that only matters to a small handful of people that will actually use that. For everyone else, it's a metric that equates to most of nothing. And yes this includes gaming systems

Sata SSD's are completely fine in gaming systems, but M.2's cost only a little bit more on average so we suggest those instead for a meaningful boost

[crimson zinc]

You can sit there and admire it while you’re in debt

[south cliff]

Yes😔

[lone flame]

that case is so cool

https://youtu.be/6uVfhuuu4K8?si=i4RbfVoqyzooaLe8

[little osprey]

Does anyone know some really good fans that are cheap and white?

[mossy venture]

c12c

[cyan ravine]

c12c

[little osprey]

bet thx

[cyan ravine]

alternative if out of stock - TL- B12 or TL - K12

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-MX-4-Compound-Micro-particles-Durability/dp/B0795DP124/ref=pd_bxgy_d_sccl_1/136-1548923-9181049?pd_rd_w=lQeKN&content-id=amzn1.sym.9713b09e-9eac-42a7-88bb-ecfe516a6b92&pf_rd_p=9713b09e-9eac-42a7-88bb-ecfe516a6b92&pf_rd_r=335GX7KP7HJBRRAN7X7C&pd_rd_wg=st0v6&pd_rd_r=570a4361-1b3b-4c3d-adf3-4edb59eab44a&pd_rd_i=B0795DP124&psc=1

[mossy venture]

also other c12 variants

[little osprey]

^This good thermal paste?

[cyan ravine]

MX-6 not 4

4 old

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-ACTCP00080A-MX-6-4-g/dp/B09VDL3CW6/ref=sr_1_3?crid=XNC0YE2C6ZEZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.in5Y76NNNJrw2JiwpUyvydZ8UMa1ENTTdLzMXb127eZflghVA1ck4S3hKZnchKKbUHDKpdB_EKtLdA_dmK84Zcbl28YwevtG3uqCpXmknmbTDjfyKERHeg5erpJBx8p4eNRFWjNmMeXr6qL3XyjEgtqfZU2wcgorczizVPcRPKPqQdyCFQbHhkc9H9GNVHCeBr82GwDvvoPF1MqYH9y1316EAzLUK6Fk7uTFUyxVepkpDehIoNdmFU6QRSXemyT0aq_vsXCXj8dMP_HNqT88X5Ar9QCqh8LL1rw97qfQaLk.twe5JTuAqoEwCjl-DUyH1HAs6AZiqSLX-HwPLKPwWfs&dib_tag=se&keywords=MX-6&qid=1708922786&s=electronics&sprefix=mx-6%2Celectronics%2C144&sr=1-3

This one?

[mossy venture]

ye, it's not much of a diff but when such a similar price mx-6 is newer and better

[potent portal]

MX-4 may be old but it's still perfectly acceptable for lower power stuff

But if you're going high heat then MX-6 for sure

[little osprey]

and I should follow the X pattern?

or the | | | pattern?

[potent portal]

Spread it

Arctic includes a spatula

[little osprey]

so just spread it through the entire thing?

[potent portal]

Yep. Thin layer.

[little osprey]

thx

@potent portal

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-7800X3D-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0BTZB7F88/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=UROdm&content-id=amzn1.sym.d0ebfbb2-6761-494f-8e2f-95743b37c35c%3Aamzn1.symc.50e00d6c-ec8b-42ef-bb15-298531ab4497&pf_rd_p=d0ebfbb2-6761-494f-8e2f-95743b37c35c&pf_rd_r=EV3HCPB99JHPDHY61SWM&pd_rd_wg=ZAgI9&pd_rd_r=e72c3eb0-d80c-4816-a8da-1517191e9f6f&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_atf_m

This would be the CPU for gaming

[potent portal]

Yes

The single best gaming CPU

It can beat the 14900k at a third of the power

[mossy venture]

check #tech-deals ]

some great deals on it atm

[little osprey]

@mossy venture Hell yea can you give me all of the products please

I cant find the bundle

[mossy venture]

gotta build it yourself

[little osprey]

bet

thank you

[mossy venture]

np

theres some other mobo options too

thats the cheapest gauranteed hynix d5 kit

[cosmic island]

Hi guys! I want to build my first pc. Is it okay if I get some opinions on the specs I have down?

Need it just good enough for casual gaming like sims 4, maybe try some other games, and school work.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-core, 12 thread
MOBO: ASUS Prime B550-PLUS AMD AM4 Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 & 3rd Gen Ryzen ATX Motherboard
GPU: GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4060 Aero oc 8G graphics card
CPU cooler: Vetroo V360 white 360mm liquid cooler AMD
Ram: Corsair Vegeance RGB Pro 16GB DDR4 3200MHz C16
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO plus SSD 1TB NVMe
PSU: Segotep 750W, 80 plus gold full modular PCIe 5.0

[crimson zinc]

You shouldn’t need a liquid cooler for light gaming.
Something like this would do fine

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YwbTwP/id-cooling-se-214-xt-682-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-214-xt-argb-white

Actually, do you have a specific budget? @cosmic island

[cosmic island]

$1300, minus the monitor lol

Leaning more towards white aesthetic too 😩

[crimson zinc]

So $1300? Or a bit less?

[cosmic island]

I'll look into that!

[crimson zinc]

(Am dumb, cannot understand words good)

I’ll make you a list rq.

[cosmic island]

Would say I don't wanna spend over 1300

[crimson zinc]

Got it.

I’ll make you a list rq. Should be able to get a little bit better bang for your buck

[cosmic island]

Sounds awesome. I'll be waiting, appreciate it!

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6jXwFs

Did I do good Felix

[cyan ravine]

have you built this or is this just a concept

[cyan ravine]

8/10

[cosmic island]

Concept. Got all parts in my cart rn and kinda wanna build asap lmao

[cyan ravine]

what's your budget

lets say, before tax

[crimson zinc]

1300

[cyan ravine]

Oh I missed that

[crimson zinc]

What could be improved by me

[lone flame]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nHNbZJ

ok now onto the main list

[cosmic island]

Might switch that case out for the lian li mini snow case

[crimson zinc]

Ah frick, I misspelled prestige, that’s why it wasn’t popping up
I turned off autocorrect and I see now that it was a mistake

But I see what I did wrong
I will learn for next time

[cosmic island]

Are the incompatibility warnings sometimes not acurate?

[crimson zinc]

Most of the time. Unless you get a super old board/cpu, they’re pretty easy to disregard.

At least for the mb/cpu error

[cyan ravine]

@cosmic island what's your monitor budget

[cosmic island]

$200

[cyan ravine]

ok

I think I've maxed this out as fast and as white as it can physically go @cosmic island

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DcYDXk

if you want a white psu as well, consider this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zm7scf/asus-prime-ap-750g-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ap-750g

white psus....there's not really any good sales rn, and you don't really see it anyway tbh

[crimson zinc]

Felix once again literally a legend

[lone flame]

why not 7600 non x

[cyan ravine]

so $20 would be better spent on white cable extensions

[cyan ravine]

cheaper

[lone flame]

really

[cyan ravine]

going for white aesthetic anyway

yep

[lone flame]

i thought the non xs were cheaper

[cyan ravine]

232 vs 222

atm

[lone flame]

[cyan ravine]

you could do 7600 if you wanted to flip the cooler on ebay

you'd break even....lol

@cosmic island https://www.amazon.com/Asiahorse-Extension-1x24-PIN-2x8-PORT-3x8-PORT/dp/B0B56LHGRC/

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C4NNL8WW/

after these^ the build would be 100% white

But I wouldn't suggest changing anything the way it is rn

quite literally almost anything else except the ram would result in a huge performance drop

Alternatively

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dDxBYN

This is way better if you're willing to learn a bit about making an XMP profile (takes 10 minutes)

but I've thrown white out the window

The gist of it is I've basically thrown all the money out of the CPU for an intel-equivalent* and into the GPU, and the result is something about 20%-ish faster

[little osprey]

Does anyone know of a gaming monitor? Atleast 0.5ms or less 360hz?

[cyan ravine]

what cpu and gpu

[little osprey]

Ryzen 7 7800 3xd and a 4060ti

4060ti will be upgraded soon

[potent portal]

Don't bother looking at rated response times, they're marketing garbage

[cyan ravine]

don't buy 4060ti

[little osprey]

Already got it

Going to upgrade soon dw

[little osprey]

so what should I get? Just need something with a fast response time and atleast 300+ hzs

[cyan ravine]

if you can still cancel, 3060 ti, 6800, 7800xt, all better

7700XT even

[potent portal]

What kind of budget for the monitor

[little osprey]

can't its fine

[little osprey]

Under $400 but preferably 200-300

[potent portal]

Probably 1080p since you're looking at 360hz

[little osprey]

yep

my gaming laptop is 360hz so am looking for one with the same hzs

[potent portal]

~~https://www.bestbuy.com/site/alienware-aw2523hf-24-5-ips-led-fhd-360hz-amd-freesync-vesa-monitor-usb-hdmi-dark-side-of-the-moon/6517611.p?skuId=6517611~~

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw2523hf

[cyan ravine]

the cheapest for high refresh that's actually good:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7LFbt6/viewsonic-xg2431-238-1920-x-1080-240-hz-monitor-xg2431

but the price is horrendous

not even 360hz lmao

[potent portal]

Cheaper on amazon https://www.amazon.com/Alienware-AW2523HF-Gaming-Monitor-Adjustability/dp/B0BDPCQ7PG

[cyan ravine]

yeah that's as good as it gets

$300 is so cringe tho

[potent portal]

Oh you can buy direct from dell too https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/alienware-25-gaming-monitor-aw2523hf/apd/210-bfed/monitors-monitor-accessories

[cyan ravine]

if you swapped gpus you could do 1440p 240hz at 27 or 32 inches and be objectively better off

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Lv4Zxr/acer-acer-nitro-xv272u-w2bmiiprx-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-umhx2aa201
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TdbRsY/hp-omen-27qs-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-omen-27qs
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WMgrxr/xfx-speedster-swft-319-core-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-video-card-rx-68xlaqfde

[potent portal]

Probably doing esports games if I had to guess and all the pros use high refresh 1080p set to weird resolutions anyway

[cyan ravine]

used 3080 12gb would clock in about $400 too

[cyan ravine]

that doesn't mean the screen is a good choice tho

[little osprey]

Need it for fortnite competitive, and other esports

Super easy to make money

[little osprey]

Just need a pc for now. It’s a 4060ti

My bad

[potent portal]

It is what it is, I'm just answering the question as asked

[little osprey]

I Apreciate it btw

[cyan ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np--4AZxUBg&ab_channel=optimum

[little osprey]

Imagine a 540 hz

💀

[cyan ravine]

540hz is kind of worth it tho with ulmb2

OLED precedes before that at 240hz

beating literally anything else

prior to that, you have this gap, where between $300 and $600, nothing is really qualitative

[little osprey]

No way I can get one under 400

[cyan ravine]

yes ik

Which is why I'm saying 1440p is objectively better but anyway

[little osprey]

Thank you, O smart pc person.

[crimson zinc]

Hey, that’s my line

[unique rapids]

Does anyone have experience with AMD GPUS with performance close to RX 6600-6700 with davinci resolve? How does it perform?

[obsidian wigeon]

Nvidia is the better choice

[plucky timber]

^

It's better optimized for nvidia

[crystal chasm]

Hello, I wanted to top mount the arctic liquid freezer Ill 280 or 360 but it is a bit on the thicker side (overall
65.5mm). I was wondering if someone has any experience with one of the following cases
• Be quiet! Pure base 500dx
• Lian Li lancool 216
• Phanteks Eclipse G360A
Ram: Corsair vengeance ddr5, Motherboard: probably the ASUS Rog Strix b650e-f

[cyan ravine]

Are you trying to make a new build

[crimson zinc]

@crystal chasm

[crystal chasm]

Yes

[crimson zinc]

@cyan ravine

[crimson zinc]

I think I’ve finished

Went with cheaper m&k+headphones, considering I don’t use those things much.
Went with the asus 4090 as it had the least amount of complaints.
Went with the case talked about last night instead of my constantly OOS one.
Everything else was there for the best possible price/outcome.

I have 0 incompatibility issues, and everything should work perfectly.

[mossy venture]

Hey did you see that bundle in tech deals?

[crimson zinc]

I did, however it’s gonna take me a while to build this, so I’m just gonna grab all the cheap stuff first, then if the expensive stuff has gone down.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WDNMKX @mossy citrus

[mossy citrus]

Changed the peripherals and took out the thermal paste https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gYBKbL

402 hella old

And that headset is ass

Really uncomfortable

[crimson zinc]

I just wanted all cheap non-software stuff

[mossy citrus]

Logi is gonna need it for both

[crimson zinc]

I use rig 400s and think they’re the best thing ever

Ah frick

[mossy citrus]

To each their own ig

Id get the salnotes zero 2s

Just better in every way

[crimson zinc]

I don’t wanna spend more than like $40 on each
But I also need fabric headphones for autism

And I don’t want bloatware

[mossy citrus]

??

[crimson zinc]

I don’t wanna need software for RGB
I need fabric headphones(as opposed to leather or plastic) due to sensory issues
But I don’t wanna spend an arm and a leg on them because I don’t use k&m often, and I have speakers already

[stoic island]

Can just not use rgb

[crimson zinc]

True

I’ll look for some nice looking white ones

How do coolermaster mice hold up?

This looks comfy

[stoic island]

I think keychron makes some nice mice now

[crimson zinc]

I didn’t even consider them

Seems the M1 is quite the pick

[mossy citrus]

Not great

[crimson zinc]

I say this as it’s been out of stock for months

How about the death adder essential?

[fossil cedar]

Tis a good budget mouse

[crimson zinc]

I’m gonna put that in then

What’s the pairing for that keyboard wise then?

Just something nice to look at, same colour scheme.

I do want a full keyboard though. I can’t stand mini/75/etc

My large hands don’t enjoy pressing the small buttons

[cyan ravine]

My old rig 400s broke ages ago, they were not good sets at all imo

I got them free when I did ForzaRC

[crimson zinc]

They were my BABIES
I thought they were the best thing ever

$30 at my GameStop and I loved them

4 sets in 4 years

[cyan ravine]

4!?

4!??

[crimson zinc]

They’re 100% garbage

[cyan ravine]

[crimson zinc]

I also had cats chew through 3 of the wires

[cyan ravine]

Can you tell us your budget and what the pc is for

We can come up with something in a couple minutes

[crystal chasm]

1800 , i already have the 7800x3d, storage, ram and the psu. I’ll be gaming competitive shooters at 2k 240hz and some newer 3a at 2k

[cyan ravine]

What storage what ram what psu and how much were each

[earnest olive]

inb4 16gb corsair vengeance ddr4-3200

[rain carbon]

i have the tism and i have the exact opposite issue, i have to use leather or plastic because cloth gives me an itchy icky feeling

im assuming you only mean for the ear muffs, and for that it depends on your budget. pc38x is an amazing pair you can get for what like 140 right now?

[cyan ravine]

Oh I know exactly what you're talking about

That itchy feeling

[rain carbon]

yee it sucks lol

its why i cant use cloth mousepads

i either have to use leather or glass

the sound it makes just makes me want to pull my hair out

and the feel, especially the feel

but nah anything sennheiser youre pretty much guaranteed to have a good time, just look at reviews since they do have a select few shotty pairs

[cyan ravine]

Truly is tbh

Can quote first hand experience they're solid

[crimson zinc]

I don’t wanna spend more than like $40 lmao
I don’t need super high quality, as I don’t need to hear enemy footsteps 3 miles away
Just something to have

[cyan ravine]

Used to sell for $100

[cyan ravine]

You're buying a 4090

[crimson zinc]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

And you don't want to spend on even semi decent headphones

[crimson zinc]

I put my money where it’s needed

[rain carbon]

trust me when i say a good audio experience is half the experience itself

[crimson zinc]

Yes

[rain carbon]

you arent getting much off 40 dollar headphones unfortunately

[cyan ravine]

Mate the monitor you have will make that 4090 run like a 4070 ti

[crimson zinc]

Something like my rig 400s, but a little better

[cyan ravine]

And we're discussing headphones

[rain carbon]

rn i just checked and the pc38x is 120 atm, and it has a really good headset mic as well

[cyan ravine]

Lol

The headset is worth it

[crimson zinc]

I’m just gonna get that oled

[cyan ravine]

You should get an oled

Get a much better screen that's worth that card

Otherwise it will live it's life kneecapped

[rain carbon]

The pc37x is also a VERY solid choice, but i do believe the extra 20 dollars right now is more than worth the extra price https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-sennheiser-pc37x-gaming-headset

[crimson zinc]

What about GSP 300s?

[rain carbon]

gsp 300 is fine

[cyan ravine]

Why not the pc38x tho

What's wrong with them

Gsp is miiiiddd

[crimson zinc]

I don’t need the super high quality

[cyan ravine]

Then don't get a 4090

Lol

[rain carbon]

im all into audio so trust me when i say spending a little more on a good pair of headphones is SO much better in the long run, they practically pay for themselves since they last forever

[crimson zinc]

I’m talking the audio

[cyan ravine]

This is so confusing to me

Lol

[rain carbon]

same here tbh

[cyan ravine]

It's like buying a ferrari for a business statement

[crimson zinc]

I don’t explain good

[rain carbon]

120 is still considered more budget in the audiophile world

and the value on the pc38x is absurd

theyll last you a lifetime and its VERY easy to replace parts

sennies are stupid easy to work on and repair

[crimson zinc]

I want my graphical stuff to be as high tier as possible. I am 100% comfortable spending many bucks on those

But I don’t really need to spend $100 on a headset that I won’t play things needing it for.
Like I’m not a super competitive cod player. I just want something to get by.

[cyan ravine]

High end starts waaayyyy above 120

[cyan ravine]

Yes but this is weird to me cos like

[rain carbon]

this is backwards logic. typically comp players like cheaper headphones since thats when you wouldnt need much more than good surround sound

[cyan ravine]

You'll put $60 more into the psu for zero gain

But not $60 into the headset

[rain carbon]

people who are playing for enjoyment benefit SO MUCH from the extra qualities

[cyan ravine]

Like if you're gonna spend this much, make the whole gamut good

[rain carbon]

fr tho

[crimson zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/ahh-gif-24018335

Alright

[cyan ravine]

I'm not saying spend more

[crimson zinc]

I’ll just get those

[cyan ravine]

I'm purely saying optimise what you had

[crimson zinc]

Peer pressure

[rain carbon]

lol trust me when i say a good pair of headphones is something you want

[crimson zinc]

These?

[cyan ravine]

Like easy suggestion, take the strix out

Strix is never worth it, just get the tuf or founders

[cyan ravine]

Those are good, pc38x better

[rain carbon]

pc37x is more gamery with extra bass and what not

38x has more flat sound and works much better for music and movies

flat sound btw basically means more tuned towards the intended experience of an audio artist

the drives in the 38x are in every way superior, the value is quite literally THE best on the market for headsets

not price, value

[crimson zinc]

Doesn’t tuf come with AC?

[cyan ravine]

AC what's ac

[crimson zinc]

Or is that only on laptop

[crystal chasm]

@cyan ravine Disclaimer: Europe prices in euro no conversion. storage 990 pro 4t 230
Ram Corsair vengeance 64gb 217
Psu Corsair rm1000e 160

[crimson zinc]

Amoury crate

[cyan ravine]

Strix does too

[crimson zinc]

O

[cyan ravine]

Just don't install it

[crimson zinc]

[rain carbon]

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-GSP-500-Acoustic-Headset/dp/B07CK4J1SW?th=1 heres a bit cheaper set, it has similar drives to the pc38x but just some weaker general tuning and what not

its also bulkier

[cyan ravine]

This might be really confronting what I'm about to say, fair warning. Is this for gaming yes?

[crimson zinc]

I think I should get this

Definitely a solid deal
/s

[cyan ravine]

Sure if you want to waste a car's worth on a glorified strix

[crimson zinc]

I don’t even know what makes it $2k more than anything else

[rain carbon]

nothing

basically nothing

[crimson zinc]

I know dang well that LC is not 2 grand

[cyan ravine]

Binning for overclocking

[crystal chasm]

Mainly, but I do some 3D and video as stuff hustle

[rain carbon]

also quick side question i probs shouldve asked before, how do you feel about open back vs close back headphones

[crimson zinc]

I’m just gonna grab those 37s
If that’s alright

[cyan ravine]

Ok let me have a look in a bit. If I put something in my suggestion over what you already bought it's to say I'm suggesting a swap

[crystal chasm]

Ok got it, thanks

[rain carbon]

youll be happy with those, just be aware since its open back youll be able to hear through them + if you have any body who stays in a general area where you do theyll be able to hear your stuff as well

[cyan ravine]

A lot of what I've seen written so far can be beat by cheaper choices in the market

[crystal chasm]

Also Europe prices are not as nice as us so makes life a bit harder

[cyan ravine]

Ye all good

Which part of europe btw

[crimson zinc]

That’s okay

Now I just need a keyboard to go with the deathadder essential

[crystal chasm]

France, but I got my parts a bit all over… I can get parts in Germany, Swiss and Italy too

[cyan ravine]

Wait for a 4090 sale

Anything over 1600 just isn't worth it

Or rather

Any 4090 in general isn't worth it now that the 4080 super exists

In fact

Not that

The zotac 4080 deal is just way too good

Half price

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TDcwFs

https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-d40810d-10p-o

https://drop.com/buy/drop-epos-pc38x-gaming-headset?searchId=a0e691a2c1b33a3a21579bd30a70ee21

Much better

@crystal chasm is the 1800 the budget including what you bought

I'm going to assume yes

[crystal chasm]

No

1800 is for the rest that is still missing

[cyan ravine]

Monitor included?

[crystal chasm]

No , already have one

[cyan ravine]

Ok so just the tower

[crystal chasm]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

You got the 990 4tb for 230?

[crystal chasm]

Yes

It was a good promo

[cyan ravine]

Ok yes that was good

Make sure you update the firmware with it, it's unlikely to have it now, but they had a huge scandal a while back

990's and 980's were bricking themselves

And samsung wouldn't honor the warranty

[crystal chasm]

Yeah all good with that, it was the first thing I checked

[cyan ravine]

What is the speed of the ram

[crystal chasm]

6000 cl30

Expo

[cyan ravine]

Ok that's quite good too

What colour are you looking to have the pc in

Also how much was the 7800x3d

[crystal chasm]

Black

[crystal chasm]

335€

[cyan ravine]

Hmmm

I'm 500 short

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/q74zsh

What I have so far

Germany seems to be the cheapest

The psu I can say for or against swapping

For a good reason

[crystal chasm]

😂 500 damn

[cyan ravine]

If you intend to do cable swaps, then do the RMe

But if not, swapping for the gf3 might be worth

Both are good units

I believe they both only have a noisy fan is the only catch 22

As far as GPU, you could go 4080 super if you feel inclined to specific games with RT

[crystal chasm]

I don’t think I can change the psu anymore

Oh nooo, noisy ? I was trying to have a quiet build 🙃

[cyan ravine]

In fact now that I think about it, editing you'll.want nvidia somewhat, especially if you use blender

[cyan ravine]

Noisy in the scale of psus, it's still quiet

RMe, the e stands for economic

[crystal chasm]

Ah ok

[cyan ravine]

So they made a great unit, but cut back things from the RM and RMx

Such as extra cable capacitance

[crystal chasm]

Yeah I was thinking 4080 super, but they are starting at like 1100, is kinda though

Oh well I didn’t know what to get and that one had a deal so I checked psu tier list and bought it 🤷🏽‍♂️

[cyan ravine]

I might see if there's a slightly better board for a tiny bit more

What's there is already really strong though

It'll run a 7950x all day

Yeah I'd say this is pretty much tapped out
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/4Z2PL9

[crystal chasm]

Can you fit an aio? I prefer the aesthetics

[cyan ravine]

If not this case
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/fPZ9TW/asus-prime-ap201-microatx-mini-tower-case-ap201blkmesh

Sure

[ember garnet]

Hi

[cyan ravine]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/HdFjKX

[crystal chasm]

Thank you

[cyan ravine]

Alternative
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/3w7VRK

[ember garnet]

I recently bought the iPason 5600 g and am trying to install a second gpu. Sorry for my ignorance: I can’t figure out how to power it from the computer. I don’t have anywhere to plug in the 8 pin pci

[cyan ravine]

You may have to measure if the aio fits tho @crystal chasm

If not get arctic lf3 240mm

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/vHZXsY/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00134a

There are also rgb versions for both the cooler and fans

[ashen swift]

I saw a prebuilt pc for 1100€ and its specs were:
i5-12400F
4060 ti
32gb ddr4 ram
I dont feel like it is worth it. Am i right? Which cpu and gpu (general build not really specific) would you recommend me for a 1000-1100 budget. Any help is appreciated :) thx!

[potent portal]

Which country? So we can localize suggestions

[cyan ravine]

If the PSU doesn't support it then yeah it won't just go straight in

Unless you mean the 5600g ryzen

[ember garnet]

I do mean that

[cyan ravine]

Which goes into the motherboard

[ember garnet]

Sorry

[ashen swift]

me? spain

[cyan ravine]

@ember garnet it goes into an AM4 motherboard in the square slot

[ember garnet]

About to google that

Thank you for taking the time to answer this

[cyan ravine]

The power is the 24 pin and 8 pin on the right side and top side

[ember garnet]

So when I bought it, there is stuff already plugged into that

[ember garnet]

Oh, I see you are saying that is literally the power

[cyan ravine]

See that grey square on the top right

Big grey square

Dead centre

[ember garnet]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

That's where the 5600g goes

They have instructions with said motherboard how to put it in

The power..., one sec I'll circle them

[ember garnet]

OK I’m about to get home and try this. Thank you so much.

I apologize ahead of time if I come back in 10 minutes and ask for more

😂

I called the company and they said to come on here and ask you people lol

[potent portal]

You could probably get a system with a 7800 XT or 6800 XT if you're lucky or build it yourself. Either of those would be significantly better than the 4060 ti. The 12400 is a good balanced budget option right now, and I'd recommend something with DDR5 so it can be easily upgraded.

[cyan ravine]

@ember garnet

[ashen swift]

thx!

[cyan ravine]

Apparently we're so good at this in our spare time they closed the support department

[ember garnet]

OK, let me take you a picture.

No seriously you are right they were like we can’t help you look on this and sent me the link

lol

[cyan ravine]

Lol

Maybe it's time I ask for a salary or christmas present from them

[ember garnet]

I think that would be appropriate

I’ve never use this app before, so I guess I can’t attach a picture? I am here looking at the computer, and since it is prebuilt, they already have stuff plugged into the eight pin and the 24 pin slot.

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah you'll get the ability to send pictures in a little bit

If we keep talking

[ember garnet]

Cool

[cyan ravine]

So question, is the cpu in the square

Does the motherboard, have a square

[potent portal]

You can always DM a pic and we can look at it or post it for you until the bot assigns your role

[ember garnet]

The CPU is plugged into the eight pin thing

[cyan ravine]

Mm

Was it already plugged in

Oh wait you answered that

[ember garnet]

Do you guys care if I just DM you a picture? I feel like I might be wasting your time giving the wrong information.

[cyan ravine]

Ye alright

[ember garnet]

Thanks

[cyan ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211772999397679136/1211773291069571092/IMG_9216.jpg?ex=65ef6ad2&is=65dcf5d2&hm=8e9ff5f0b1acd786ab1462653a78441581b70c338d749d95f92ceed74c4b7a78&

[ember garnet]

Cool thanks

[cyan ravine]

One sec I will circle this

See this

[ember garnet]

OK so I did that. Sorry I should’ve told you that, but I can’t figure out how to power the damn thing.

[cyan ravine]

Align the gpu so the text "geforce rtx" is the right way around

Oh ok

[ember garnet]

I’ve inserted it into that. I just didn’t take the picture of it because I took it out.

[cyan ravine]

Alright so the power is called pcie power

[ember garnet]

Thanks

[cyan ravine]

So can I just check what specific gpu is it called

Then I might ask if I can check the full name of the power supply to make sure it's up to par

[ember garnet]

GeForce rtx 4600

[cyan ravine]

Ah ok I know which one that is

Ok and can you read me the full name of the power supply

[ember garnet]

Where would I find that?

[cyan ravine]

So you know where all the power cables came from

That box is the power supply

[ember garnet]

Got it segotep rp650

[cyan ravine]

Ok sweet give me a minute

Ok I'm glad I checked

[ember garnet]

Thanks for checking

[cyan ravine]

@ember garnet does this have a white label on it that says 80 plus

[ember garnet]

Yes

[cyan ravine]

Ok I found the unit

[ember garnet]

Cool

[cyan ravine]

Ok yep

Ok I have a bit of a healthy suggestion here

I cannot confirm how safe that psu unit is

[ember garnet]

Ok

[cyan ravine]

Usually when the psu label is white and says only 80 plus

It's a foreshadowing sign it's not got good safeties

[night rock]

https://newegg.io/43ec6b4 this a good build? I’m new into pc I’m trying to buy one

[ember garnet]

Uh oh

[cyan ravine]

So I'm gonna link a $51 unit

I'd suggest swapping to that if you can

[ember garnet]

Ok - safety like catch on fire?

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[ember garnet]

Oi

Thanks for that info.

[cyan ravine]

There's a basic level of safeties that come with decent units. On the very cheap ones, they strip them out

Which...in normal circumstances

Perfectly fine

It's when things are not normal

Weeellll

[ember garnet]

Yeah, I don’t wanna take any chances

[cyan ravine]

Then it's a bit of potluck

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xLtKHx/apevia-prestige-600-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-atx-rp600w

^$51.99

Cheapest decent unit I know

[ember garnet]

Is it easy to swap out or should I take it into a computer store?

[cyan ravine]

The segotep may in fact be fine, but I can't find any information on it, and the 80 plus white sticker is concerning, so I'd say this would be the ideal scenario

[ember garnet]

My instinct is that you are right. My kiddo bought this with his dad and was thrilled with how cheap it is but expect it to run like a really expensive one so I am guessing that safety is probably not great on this one.

[cyan ravine]

It's easy to swap, 4 screws and you rerun the cables with the new ones that came with the psu (each psu uses different cables. Even though they look the same, the end points are shuffled

If you swap the psu alone, then swap each cable as you go, it can be quite straightforward

Or vice versa

[ember garnet]

Ok easy enough.

[cyan ravine]

Now the cable for the gpu

It's a 6+2 or 8 pin pcie cable

[ember garnet]

I have that

[cyan ravine]

6+2 meaning what the end looks like

They should clip together and click into the gpu

Only goes in one way

[ember garnet]

Yep it does work that way

I just can’t figure out where to plug in the other end

[cyan ravine]

The other end goes into the psu

[ember garnet]

Oh!

[cyan ravine]

Assuming this is a cable that came with the psu yes

[ember garnet]

No, I had to buy it

[cyan ravine]

Sorry, power supply = psu

Ah

Don't -

Don't use that

[cyan ravine]

^

Last part, "the end points are shuffled"

So if it's not a perfect match to the existing psu, KABOOM

Lol

[ember garnet]

lol

Yeah, the PSU came with no extra cables

[cyan ravine]

Right, yeah, so I'd look at just swapping the unit then

No risk that way

[ember garnet]

Yeah, I am going to get the one that you suggested

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me!

[cyan ravine]

My friend I can double your performance if not almost triple it

[cyan ravine]

Np

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-24-5-inch-viewable-eSports-XG259QN/dp/B0CC81WGX5/ref=sr_1_3?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5kTrZqc7RDF1dIlZJDWQhBRl_RvDTRPMt73fKk7flItFmnvkE_-Q8HHzvLX5UtYBcZx_27oKgFUL_ut0zuws_aNJ6ekHL5tsqmVKHgJ8pEfInLGBXTuLsPv0d6fY8MGLqq1tNJ3IDefNzv5mVOqow-5BFNnIZ6tN3rT2A2jr0HVq5iDNVUIOVLWqSVFOlrdNvL7GEmto3XHV5pYPJKi4a_cdpzbPhNbPcmdGp3YRI84.bdwkovurQgP5DjcXsg2kIdh0Uw1thQdj3549AJ2uOu8&dib_tag=se&keywords=360hz+0.5+ms+monitor&qid=1708981146&sr=8-3

Is this monitor good?

Dont mind the price

[night rock]

For less money or more?

Cuz I’m new idk if it’s good or not my friends recommended those specs

[cyan ravine]

As little as $8 more
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4zsT34

Up to some 100-ish

This would be comfortably above minimum

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cc7VRK

[potent portal]

I think it's just an overclocked version of this https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/rog-swift-360hz-pg259qn
TL:DR it's decent for gaming and average overall

[cyan ravine]

Fleshed out for rgb @night rock
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9vcwFs

[night rock]

Thanks

[cyan ravine]

I really don't exaggerate this is like 3x the fps

Oh wait I didn't link the gpu hold on

https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-d40810d-10p-o

There we go

Half the price of a 4090 yet within reaching distance of one

Direct from the manufacturer as well which is great

[night rock]

Thanks so much 😁

[cyan ravine]

Np

Hope this helps

Run this with 1440p 240hz or 4K imo

At a stretch, 1440p 170hz at the lowest

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/W6QKHx/msi-g272qpf-270-2560-x-1440-170-hz-monitor-g272qpf

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TdbRsY/hp-omen-27qs-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-omen-27qs

[night rock]

I already got a 165hz monitor do I change for a 240hz?

[cyan ravine]

165hz what resolution

1080p, 1440p, 4k

[night rock]

1080p

[mossy venture]

Oos :(

[cyan ravine]

Oh damn it was in stock an hour ago

It'll be back

[mossy venture]

Sadge

[cyan ravine]

Yeah upgrade imo

[mossy venture]

If you see it in stock ping me pls

[cyan ravine]

Or we scale the pc way down to match that monitor

[night rock]

I will get another monitor cuz I can just sell the one I have and get like half of the money for the other one

[cyan ravine]

Ah alr

Then yeah one of the two I linked

Honorable mention, $640 KTC 240hz oled

If you want endgame

[mossy venture]

There's also that $180 acer one on sale rn

Solid panel iirc

[cyan ravine]

Sorry $650 rn
https://www.amazon.com/KTC-Monitor-Speakers-FreeSync-DisplayPort1-4/dp/B0CF2FD5P4/

@night rock we just noticed the list was canadian lol

Hold on let me start over

[night rock]

I will get this

[night rock]

All good

[cyan ravine]

@night rock take two
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tn4zsh

Lolol

For this, I'd still upgrade to 1440p

Only this time it's much more canadian

I think this is the choice for this one
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/k8GnTW/gigabyte-m27q-270-2560x1440-170-hz-monitor-m27q

This one could be better, but no reviews of it yet
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4xWJ7P/gigabyte-gs27q-270-2560-x-1440-170-hz-monitor-gs27q

My bad. I didn't see the list was .ca, I only saw the .io @night rock lol

But this is Canadian, and it's still double the fps

[night rock]

All good you still help me

[cyan ravine]

Lolol

No worries

[night rock]

I will prob get this cuz I don’t need that much hz

170hz is enough for gaming

[cyan ravine]

Ye it'll be fine

The GS, I'm still waiting for reviews

But if it's anything like it's predecessors

It'll be great

Reviews that do exist say it's good

[mossy venture]

It's not

Gs line is really bad

Like, g27qc but worse iirc

[floral flame]

can someone help with input between two prebuilts?

@cyan ravine

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Desktop-RyzenTM-NVIDIA®-V35S-B650-460-LCS/dp/B0CG8631F9/ref=sr_1_7?

or

https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Gaming-Shadow-PC-Desktop/dp/B0C9PC692K/ref=sr_1_6?

^would add 32gb ram to this one

[mossy venture]

Both are really bad value

Like not even compared to a custom build, even for a pre built it's really bad value

Here's one option

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234935686884?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=GEZuugFwQwS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[floral flame]

would you say that is better then both of the links i have sent ?

[mossy venture]

Yes 100%

4060 is embarrassingly bad

https://www.newegg.com/abs-za13400f4060-zyklon-aqua/p/N82E16883360482?Item=N82E16883360482&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-482-_-02262024

Here's another option

4060 at times loses to the 3060

But at that price for the whole build it's not bad ($850)

[floral flame]

definitely more of an amd guy then intel

[mossy venture]

And im still looking for other options

[floral flame]

i like the ebay link a lot

[mossy venture]

Why

Cpu is cpu

Performance is performance especially with cpus

[floral flame]

im not sure, i kind of just always stuck with amd

[stoic island]

3080 is around 50% better than 4060

[mossy venture]

Isn't it more like 60-70? 3080 is around 30% better than 3060 ti, 3060 ti around 30% better than 4060

[mossy venture]

I would highly advise against brand loyalty

The ebay link is better value tho

[floral flame]

so the ebay link it is!

unless you find me something better again lol

really saved me here. thank you

and i should add more ram to the ebay link right? @mossy venture

to 32

[mossy venture]

Yep, 32gb 3600c18 ram should be around $60

[stoic island]

I think it's just the result of rounding and simplifying, 3060 to 3060ti is a bit less than 30%, 3060 to 4060 is approximately 10%, and 3060ti to 3080 is a bit less than 30%

[mossy venture]

And yeah im not finding any other deals atm

[mossy venture]

Hm alright

[stoic island]

Like we say 4060 is basically a 3060 because it's 10% or less in difference but when rounding like that the error can stack up

[mossy venture]

Well it also varies a lot, 4060 at times loses to the 3060 due to the bandwidth limitation

[floral flame]

@mossy venture thank you very much!

[stoic island]

Ye, I think average is somewhere around 5% (?) gains though at 1440p

[mossy venture]

Np!

Lemme link the ram rq

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bfwypg/lexar-hades-oc-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ld4bu016g-r3600ud0h

[floral flame]

yeah i was gonna ask. the description says ddr4 3200 mhz, shouldnt i find ram sticks thats are also 3200 ?

or does that not matter

[mossy venture]

I'd just replace the sticks in there instead of adding to them

So nah, cpu and mobo will both handle 3600mhz for sure

[floral flame]

copy

i love you ❤️

saved me money and found better. very grateful

[mossy venture]

Happy to, enjoy and feel free to ping me if you find anything else you want to compare or consider

[floral flame]

Thank you. will do

[ember garnet]

Does anyone know how to get this PSU out or how I can access the cables on this? I see them behind the screen. This is the ryzen 5600 G.

Everything I read, says it should fit through the screen but it doesn’t

[stoic island]

you should be able to take off the back panel

and it looks like the back panel is already unscrewed?

[ember garnet]

Got it!! Thanks so much

[crimson zinc]

@small sail what’s up

[small sail]

Hey, so uh I'm wondering if I may need to go for a full rig upgrade sometime

[crimson zinc]

What’s your current?

[small sail]

You're gonna scoff at how old but:

[crimson zinc]

And do you have a budget for a new one?

[small sail]

Motherboard- PRIME A320M-K CPU- AMD Ryzen 1400 Quad Core Processor GPU- NVIDIA Geforce 1060 3 GB

I believe so

Admittingly I'm not knowledgable about this stuff and I've never upgraded my pc from 2018 lol

[crimson zinc]

I think I almost had you beat with how old my parts were in my first pc.

But it’s alright. You don’t have to know too much!

What’s your budget?

[small sail]

I'd say $200 for CPU, $300 for a GPU

Idk if I'd have to get a new motherboard

I've also got 16GB of RAM

[crimson zinc]

More than likely. Do you have any you could spare for that?

[small sail]

Unfortunately not, but someone told me an AMD Ryzen 5800X3D and an AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT would be compatible with the PRIME A320M-K, is that true?

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hNp7gB

Should be good for you

Could go for a 5800x instead

@mossy venture

Any other ideas

[small sail]

Yeah I'd like a stronger CPU, I may consider the 5800x but the RTX 3060 looks more than fine to me

Thanks!

[crimson zinc]

I’d get a double check from a techie

[small sail]

Ok

[crimson zinc]

Like @stoic island or someone

I’m still a bit new to helping, but I’ve learned a little bit from them.

[small sail]

Also when you upgrade from a such a jump, do you have to get a drive and manually install the new BIOS of the CPU?

Someone recommended I get a SATA SSD to transfer

[crimson zinc]

A good ssd will give you one hell of a boost in performance.

[small sail]

Will going from a 7-8 year old CPU and GPU also see a massive boost in performance do you believe?

[crimson zinc]

If you could spare more, I could suggest an alternative build, so you could avoid a headache.

[small sail]

I mainly play shooters and Paradox games like EU4/HOI4 so

[crimson zinc]

Yes.

I played on a gtx 960, jumped to a 6700xt. Night and day.

[small sail]

Also I have an ACER Predator monitor and that goes to 165hz

[crimson zinc]

From low settings at 40 fps
To high at 120

[small sail]

Damn, with maxed settings?

[crimson zinc]

Yes.

[small sail]

That must be nuts lol

Cause' I can't even get my GPU of course to even reach 100 fps

[crimson zinc]

Pc building can be wonders going from old tech to new.

What would be your maximum possible budget if you were to get an entirely new pc? (Selling all your old parts and such too)

[small sail]

Probably something below $600

[crimson zinc]

It might be worth doing that instead, to take advantage of better cases, storage, etc etc.

[small sail]

Although GPUs seem to be the most expensive to replace so

[small sail]

What to get a new pc and frame?

[crimson zinc]

They are. But remember, the refurbished market is also a thing.

[crimson zinc]

Yeah. Just overhaul it in general.

[small sail]

That's kinda what I feared since the thing was so old ahaha

I was in denial for a while and thought I had a good CPU and GPU and age wouldn't affect it much, but with newer games I can't even run them and I'm not getting good fps

I'm content with a mid-range GPU tbh, but I wonder how much they generally cost

Also I have 600 W, is that plenty?

[crimson zinc]

Yes.

Lemme make you a list.

You don’t intend to upgrade any peripherals, right?

[small sail]

Not really, my fans are pretty new too and my power supply seems ok, it's a Thermaltake 600W power supply that came with my pc, the fans I just replaced 2 years ago and reach 2000 rpm

Peripherals I've already upgraded, my keyboard, monitor, and mouse are great, less than 3 years old

My peripheral specs: Acer Predator monitor, Razer Deathadder Elite mouse, and a Corsair keyboard

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x9wLKX

If you can manage a few more bucks, I can put a better gpu in there

[weary galleon]

3050 6gb ain't gonna be worthwhile upgrade over a 1060

[crimson zinc]

That’s not 6

Oh wait

[small sail]

It is

[crimson zinc]

It is

I clicked the 8GB?
Fat fingers

[small sail]

Np ahaha

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G88pJy

There

[small sail]

Thanks!

[crimson zinc]

Do you think you could go a little extra for a better gpu? Or is that fine for you?

[small sail]

Oh jeeze my Thermaltake case is so old too, I'd probably have to upgrade that too to accomodate a new CPU and GPU?

Honestly a mid-tier GPU would be fine

[crimson zinc]

(I put a good cheap case in there for you)

[small sail]

$220 for a GPU is really good to me, would you consider that a mid-tier GPU?

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mLYmP6/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3070-lhr-8-gb-gaming-oc-rev-20-video-card-gv-n3070gaming-oc-8gd-rev-20

[weary galleon]

6600xt/6650xt would probably be better value than 3050 8gb

[crimson zinc]

Good thought

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NDvdnQ/xfx-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-speedster-swft-210-core-video-card-rx-665x8dfdy

Something like this?

[small sail]

Wait....the Gigabyte B550 UD AC ATX AM4 motherboard only costs $100?! I was thinking getting a new motherboard would cost like $500-700?

[mossy venture]

What psu do you have?

[small sail]

NVIDIA Geforce 1060 3GB

[mossy venture]

Power supply sorry, not gpu

[weary galleon]

Yeah they're $240ish rn so $20 more than the 3050 for a considerable perf increase

[crimson zinc]

Nope. MB have really gone down in pricing over the last few years. Great for everyone.

[small sail]

Oh my bad, it's a Thermaltake 600 W

[mossy venture]

Is it the 80+ white?

[small sail]

Smart Series from like 2018

[mossy venture]

If so I'd replace it, it's known for killing pcs especially as it ages

[small sail]

Hmm I'm not sure

[mossy venture]

Do you use wifi or ethernet atm?

And what's the most you'd want to spend for the whole upgrade to your pc

[small sail]

Ethernet

Total I'd say less than $500

I like the case and my peripherals are fine

[mossy venture]

Kk lemme look at a few options rq

[cyan ravine]

what case

[small sail]

Thanks guys, appreciate it!

Thermaltake from 2018, I forget the exact model

[crimson zinc]

Bacca and Felix come in to save the day(and your wallet)

[cyan ravine]

so probably no mesh

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/89Rrh3

[small sail]

I'm not too knowledgable, what's a mesh?

Like a protective case basically?

[cyan ravine]

like a side of the panel that allows air in

it's like a mesh, a net?

more sturdy than a net

[small sail]

Ohhhhhhh right right ahah

Yeah it has a vent thing and one side is transparent glass

[cyan ravine]

would call this just about the base level rn

[mossy venture]

Do you have an ssd?

[cyan ravine]

but 6600 is aging

[mossy venture]

For storage

[small sail]

I do not have an SSD

[mossy venture]

Alr

[small sail]

But the PC came with 900 gb on the Windows default storage drive

[cyan ravine]

if you can stretch, this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BbVxCd

[weary galleon]

Still almost 2x as fast as a 1060 3gb

[mossy venture]

I would update the bios on your mobo, and do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WFYvCd

[small sail]

I've got the AI Suite 3 for a BIOS

[cyan ravine]

isn't...

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-6600-rx-6600-armor-8g/p/N82E16814137875?Item=N82E16814137875&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-137-875-_-02262024
$170 6600 refurb also an option

[cyan ravine]

isn't ai suite 3 a windows app

I can't remember

[small sail]

Not sure

But everything is so old lmao

That's all I know, and I've been afraid to upgrade cause' I don't want to mess up any components without consulting people who know about this stuff

[mossy venture]

Your mobo should be able to support 5000 series with a bios update, but it isn't exactly the best motherboard