building-and-recc-chat

[cyan ravine]

RTX should not be your focus

For a vast majority of people, they're over the gimmick in the honeymoon period that they first experience it in

If you're going to go with a 4080 btw, 7900XTX would be a better purchase. But, 4080 Super is a better purchase than 7900 XTX

Wait for 4080S

It's only 2 days away

[gentle pollen]

Waiting for a SSD test in the bios to finish but after that any idea what to do? Boot priority is not detecting my SSD and if I try to boot in with just the USB it reverts back to BIOS.

It's detecting again.

I am out of ideas....

[analog hearth]

Is it an M.2 SSD?

[gentle pollen]

Yes.

MSI 370

[analog hearth]

What's the motherboard?

[gentle pollen]

MSI X670-P

It keeps booting into my old windows install rather then the USB which has the Windows Installer.

[dry remnant]

hello guys! looking to build a PC, how's this? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/42bcVW

ill be replacing the fans that come with the AIO with others included in the list so they all match :)

[mossy venture]

To be blunt there's a lot I'd change

[dry remnant]

i'd love to hear it

[mossy venture]

The general idea is there and I agree with the cpu, gpu and case selection (though it's overpriced for an xtx.) I'm gonna send a list of what I'd do with keeping the general idea of what you were going for

And I'd also check out the 4080 super, launches in 3 days at 1k

[gentle pollen]

Oh weird.

Secure boot now gives me the option to disable it.

[mossy venture]

I believe king 95 is the same as the 95 pro, just no stock fans. I also put a 3 pack of thermalright fans I'd personally suggest, but the ones you have in there aren't bad either. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G3sjsh

I'm about to go into work so won't be able to answer any questions atm

[dry remnant]

cool, thanks! PCMR was a lot less nice than this when I asked for feedback. have a nice day at work! :)

[gentle pollen]

@potent portal, I disabled Secure Boot but it still takes me to my old windows install instead of the installer.

[mossy venture]

Oh one last comment, the aio definitely isn't needed for that cpu but I figured you wanted the aesthetic of it. If you don't want one, a thermalright phantom spirit would be more than enough, or a 214xt would still keep the cpu from throttling

[gentle pollen]

Oh wait....

Lemme try something. I think the file on that drive right now might be a bios install.....

[nimble comet]

If im willing to spend 1.5k on a pc should i build it or just buy a pre built? General question.

[gentle pollen]

Building it yourself is the preference if you don't mind spending the time.

[nimble comet]

The thing is i dont really know anything about pcs except gpu and cpu the basic stuff

Need help finding parts that can fit into my budget

[mossy venture]

It's pretty easy to put a pc together, I got you on a list one sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DKzHbL

If you're gaming

[manic cloak]

Why do people recommend the pop air so much

I found nothing so special except for they charge shipping on their cases 95% of the time

[crimson zinc]

Air flow

[manic cloak]

What’s so special about that airflow compared to any other case like 903 max or g360a

Is it like an all mesh

[cyan ravine]

Fair bit better than above:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y833jH
EDIT: to answer your question, building 99% of the time is just far better for value, and you learn life skills

[cyan ravine]

Fractal usually make a lot of great cases, though I don't put as much stock in the case as I do performance personally

[manic cloak]

True but still, it’s practically a large lian li 205 though

[cyan ravine]

Uh, idk about that

[manic cloak]

I’m not saying lian Li 205 is the best but

[cyan ravine]

No a pop air is def not a 205

205 is more like

[crimson zinc]

I know what pc case is the best

[cyan ravine]

220t

[crimson zinc]

Of all time

[manic cloak]

It’s just a 280 front with like a very long design

[cyan ravine]

But with a more lian li style

[mossy lion]

ok thank you for the advance

[crimson zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FCPQzy/cooler-master-haf-700-evo-atx-full-tower-case-h700e-ignn-s00

[cyan ravine]

@stable cove did you read this

[manic cloak]

but why is it so popular, the pop air. Like are the fans just top tier or is their mesh panel like so small that it has so many holes for airflow, or is it just build quality

[cyan ravine]

Idk

Reviews well

Comes from a reputable brand for mesh cases

Nothing is really a shortcoming

[jagged ember]

Performs really well for the price

[cyan ravine]

Decent build quality

[jagged ember]

Decent to build in too

[cyan ravine]

Almost like asking why everyone picks a 980 pro but at least the answer is more obvious on that one (people don't know what they're doing)

[manic cloak]

true or how everybody goes for an NZXT case cause of their advertisements.. 💀

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

It's objectively a good case

[manic cloak]

There's just better for the price is all

[cyan ravine]

Just comes down to the measure of how much you value that as part of the pc

Sure, I agree

But it's down to how you weigh it

Some people put a lot of stock in a really good one

Me? I just like to recommend something at least half decent and reusable

If I can afford an upgrade by skimping the case down to the basics I would

The end of the day the difference is down to temps that can or cannot be managed, so mesh is always a good option

If both situations the temps are under control, I'd take the cheaper case

[manic cloak]

true, but I just find Montech 903 or even the G360A in kind of a better value tbh

[cyan ravine]

But on the other hand, spending 150 on a case cos it's appreciable for the look I can understand

[cyan ravine]

See I'd put the pop air higher than the g360a

[manic cloak]

you would?

even with 360mm support and a 360 front?

[cyan ravine]

G360A is great for one specific gimmick

The top 360 rad

And it's not able to fit all 360's either

So it doesn't do it perfectly

Apart from that, it's just a longer g300a

Pop air on the other hand has a whole different bag of tricks

903 is also a nice case as well

Especially the base, comes with 3 full fans

More than enough for a budget option

[manic cloak]

Montech is known for budget cases but I think this is better quality than most cases they have

[cyan ravine]

Montech is usually thin and cheap metal

[manic cloak]

cause I know the Air 100 is a nice design but just basic thin metal

[cyan ravine]

But the selling point of montech, is that it's cheap

It's a functional box

[manic cloak]

True

[cyan ravine]

The air 100 is the same

I appreciate the air 100 tho as most of our late recc's are mATX

So the resulting look is a bit more complete

I'm not against mATX in ATX but if I can see something similarly competent for a better aesthetic I'm willing to take it

People do prefer the case to match the board, though I'd never die on that hill

[dusty cedar]

So this isn't for me but to prove a point and I don't have the time currently to sit down and piece it together since I'm about to run out for some errands. But can someone put together a PC, no monitor, no anything extra, just the tower. About midsized or even micro for that matter. Maybe both examples, that can run most modern-ish games at 120fps for 650 or less. 0 preferences on processors. Gpu, either Nvidia or Radeon. Right, forgot about storage. 1tb ssd.

Thanks. 😀

[gentle pollen]

I finally got into windows installer.

I had made a big oopsie in that I forgot I had wiped my USB and installed a bios version on there so there wasn't any windows install left on it anymore.

Sorry for all the hassle I caused you guys. 🙇‍♂️

[cyan ravine]

@dusty cedar
A
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9xhGt7
Or B
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xzbcVW

Could also do used 5700XT and go way lower than this ($120 gpu) but, some would make the argument it wouldn't support all titles

Would look similar to this btw:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KNLfRK

120 - 150-ish for the gpu

But would comfortably run most games

[mossy venture]

I think 7600 is $10 more

Rx not r5

[cyan ravine]

Oh it is too

Neat

Option C
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BL2TVW

[vale birch]

Phew, this chat moves fast! I use primarily for AI image gnereation + training. the 12GB works at the bare minimum (I feel like I should be getting more out of it though?) so was hoping there would be a way to splt the load between 2 cards and get a 3090 24GB. Silly question on the side: does the vcard need to be housed in the tower?

[mossy venture]

no it does not need to be separate, and it depends on the programs that you use. Check if the programs you use support it (google should help), what power supply and cpu do you have?

[vale birch]

tbh not sure about the power supply, screenshot of the specs below. I use stable-diffusion with automatic1111's gui and some others. Running Linux Pop OS so I would imagine there's a way to configure the resources. I believe I've seen some comments in the reddits about similar

specs
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155886326726

[mossy venture]

you'll likely want a new psu, or at least a separate one for the new gpu

[cyan ravine]

and make sure the board supports bifurcation

[mossy venture]

oh yeah good point

[cyan ravine]

you especially want bifurcation for 4070ti and 3090

[vale birch]

Thank you. Appreciate the advice. Jumping back into PC land after a decade or so of mostly Macs and while purely google educated on the topic I've always managed to figure out most mods/repairs...curious what level of complexity you'd assign this?

[cyan ravine]

Mmm

Because of the board, maybe mid-tier

But if you considered 3090's in sli instead, be a lot easier imo

Board+case+psu

[tardy pebble]

I'm not sure if this is the right channel to ask this, but I was wondering if anyone had any good recommendations for a solid pre-build between $1k and 2k USD? A friend of a friend of mine is looking to get their first gaming PC this week, but is super clueless about PC stuff. I normally try to convince people to do their own build but in this case they just really want a prebuilt and don't want to deal with the hassle of learning all about PC specs and things.

I'm incredibly out of the loop on what pre-build companies are actually decent or not, aside from being aware that iBuyPower has a pretty bad reputation for whatever reason.

I think he's mainly looking to play MMOs, at 1080p and likely probably some AAA modern titles as well. Anything with at least a 4060 Ti should be sufficient.

[cyan ravine]

Starforge seem to be good

Though I would also weigh up having a friend build it for him, or just going down the road of a laptop (you pay for portability, a screen and a keyboard instead of paying some random dude $100+/hr)

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-sa13400f4070-2-stratos-aqua/p/N82E16883360462?Item=N82E16883360462&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-462-_-01292024
https://www.newegg.com/abs-fa14400f4070s-flux-aqua/p/N82E16883360471?Item=N82E16883360471&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-471-_-01292024

Both decent options

[tardy pebble]

Yeah I've heard surprisingly good things about Starforge compared to other prebuilt companies, and their Horizon II Pro @ $1350 looks like a solid buy mostly

[tardy pebble]

oh that looks excellent

especially for the price

higher specs in all regards I can see at a glance, and slightly lower price

[cyan ravine]

Yeah, my only concern is rolling the dice with the assembly quality

It's why we don't recommend them much anymore

[mossy venture]

Really? I didn't know about that

[cyan ravine]

I mean that for all prebuilts

It all comes down to the dummy building the damn thing at the end of the day

[mossy venture]

This looks decent
https://www.newegg.com/skytech-st-azure2-0562-b-ne/p/3D5-000Z-000X5?Item=9SIA08CJRW4674&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIA08CJRW4674-_-01292024

[cyan ravine]

Like a laptop is set in a mold, every one is basically the same, made almost completely robotically

[tardy pebble]

yeah, that's the one thing that makes me consider the Starforge over it, cuz I've at least heard their customer support is solid and that they seem to have a pretty clean record compared to other prebuilts. The inherent issue of prebuilts being risky for shipping damage and human error from the builders is really the big deterrent and the reason I've never bought one, if it were just a price uphike alone I'd more easily recommend them to people.

[mossy venture]

Everyone else says they're good, my personal experience says otherwise but I'm not going to let my one experience outweigh what everyone else has said

(Skytech)

[cyan ravine]

I'm inferring all prebuilts

You can have 9 builders great but 1 an ass

[mossy venture]

I was talking about skytech there btw not abs

[cyan ravine]

I'm not talking about abs or skytech lol

[mossy venture]

Oh alr

[cyan ravine]

Newegg prebuilts the consistent thing I'd worry about is the psu

that

[tardy pebble]

oh excellent, yeah this looks solid too.

[cyan ravine]

I can say tracks

[mossy venture]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234935686884?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=GEZuugFwQwS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Alr that's all the options I got

[mossy venture]

And for a custom build comparison
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xFjsPF

[stable cove]

Yeah just let me know when it’s out and make me a new list. Or maybe someone can show me where to preorder the 4080 super. I’m making myself fall asleep all day to pass the time until then

[cyan ravine]

The same list but 4080 super. Releases tomorrow

31st January

[stable cove]

Yeah but I don’t wanna just randomly fit a graphics card that won’t fit on the motherboard. I tried picking pc parts myself and you told me I was doing a whole lot wrong

[cyan ravine]

I'm saying

Literally any 4080 super

Just pick the cheapest one

[stable cove]

Well no problem

People said 64 gb of ram had some stability issues. Is that true? They said 32 was all I needed for vr for the most part

[cyan ravine]

32 is ample for games

64 is a bit harder to run but ridiculously overkill

[severe hull]

If I wanted the Astethic of ram, can I was 4x8 ? New mother board is 4dim and we have 2x16. Obviously we can use the 2x16 .

[lyric thistle]

Can't you get 24gb dimms now

48gb ram

[lunar bone]

@cyan ravine

Now gotta wait for the other half of the parts to arrive 😞

Is it fine that I touched the underside of the cpu? I think I saw somewhere that if you do, you should clean it? Not sure

[cyan ravine]

You can wipe it when you install it but should be fine

[cyan ravine]

If ddr5, don't. Big downgrade

Ddr4? Meh, you can, not really the ideal method tho

[analog hearth]

@cyan ravine so I know it's the card's fault and not the driver's fault, and I know what typically causes artifacting, but what would cause it to only be on one monitor?

[severe hull]

So leave it 2x16.

[analog hearth]

talking about RGB on the RAM sticks? 2x16 doesn't look bad. plus you'll have two more slots for when/if you want to upgrade later

[severe hull]

Yea I just feel like it looks better. Having 4 ram in a 4 dim

[analog hearth]

I would say go for functionality first. 2x16 would look fine but you can have 4x16 later. More performance and it'll still look good

I personally would wait another paycheck

but do what you want. it's your build

[potent portal]

DDR5 takes a significant performance hit when all the slots are occupied. I'm talking boards that can hit 8000 being limited to 5200 or less.

[severe hull]

Its ddr4

[potent portal]

Ok so you'd potentially be limited to 3600 with 4 sticks

Depending on the CPU

Which is acceptable normally

[cyan ravine]

That...I don't have an answer for

Rather I wouldn't even know how to figure it out

But if it's specifically and only one monitor and you can prove that, maybe the monitor is the issue?

[analog hearth]

I could be wrong about this... but I’ve primarily experienced this when playing RDR2. I'll call my gf on Discord, screenshare the game, and that's usually when it's at its worst. Only on my second screen though

[cyan ravine]

Can you try another second screen or nah

[analog hearth]

I had a third monitor connected to my GPU for a second and it did the same thing

[cyan ravine]

Ah ok

[analog hearth]

I’ve been using integrated graphics as a workaround

[cyan ravine]

If you could try the same config but without that second monitor you have rn

Maybe it works?

[analog hearth]

Also, I’ve found that switching from DX12 to Vulcan in RDR2 really helps. Idk if that’s the fix though

[cyan ravine]

If you have the same issue on the second screen no matter the screen config on the gpu then it's def gpu, is what I'm trying to say

An unusual problem, but a problem

[analog hearth]

Yeah I’m probably gonna RMA it, even if switching to Vulkan in RDR2 is the fix. I feel like it shouldn't be happening nevertheless

[cyan ravine]

Yep

[analog hearth]

Thanks for the help :)

[stable cove]

Aren’t the rtx 4080 and the 4080 super great gpus? Got people in another discord server saying it’s not worth it for some reason and it’s next to the 4090. Don’t understand why people are negative about it unless they’re right

[mossy venture]

the 4080 super at 1000 is good value compared to the rest of the market honestly. 4090 at 1800+ is very bad value

4080 at 1150+ is very bad value

if the xtx were to drop to 910 or below it'd be solid against the 4080s

[stable cove]

Oh ok

4080 should have excellent performance though

[dusky hearth]

just because they're powerful, doesnt mean that their monetary value is the best
though the 4080 super is worth it

[cyan ravine]

4080 super is the good one

Ignore the 4080

Stop asking about the 4080

[stable cove]

Only reason I asked this time was because of people being negative about it in another server

[lyric thistle]

sounds like their "not worth it" means it isn't literally the highest end consumer product available

[dusky hearth]

4080 and 4080 super are different gpus

[cyan ravine]

Here's a literal breakdown for you

7900 XT > 4070 Ti Super > 4070 Ti > 4080 Super > 7900 XTX > 4090 > 4080 (however with 4090's at inflated prices, the last 2 are reversed)

In other words

Of all possible gpus you can buy at the high end

And this is why I keep saying ignore this card

It's just about equal worst value for a new card at the high end

The only cards that are probably worse than this are the 4070 and 4060 Ti, and definitely 4060 ti 16gb for value, period

People diss it because it's a terrible buy

It's like buying a ferrari for 200K and it moves like a honda

It's a perfectly working car, sure

But it suuuucckkksss

I am happy to hear another server seems to be giving you the same ideas here

If a 4080 was under 1K, ok, maybe it be worth it

But they're not

They're 1150+

4080 Super reviews are due out today, and the cards tomorrow. Just wait for the Super

The super is just plain better because it starts at 1K

Not 1150

[lyric thistle]

oh I was under the impression these people were thinking the only card worth buying is the 4090 lol

[cyan ravine]

Initially it was true

Because they normalised titan tier into the rest of the pricing stack

[stable cove]

I will. I didn’t buy anything. I just hate how people in the other server were kinda negative about it

[cyan ravine]

Which in turn made everything else look bad

[cyan ravine]

I honestly agree with their negativity tho. The 4080 is a niche card with a bad price

Any time I see a gaming pc with a 4080 I cringe

It's overall slower than an xtx and yet the xtx costs 200 less

[stable cove]

Ok glad I didn’t buy it

[potent portal]

The difference in performance between the 4080 and the XTX means that if you factor in RT performance into the averages, the XTX still wins by a bit.

[cyan ravine]

So now that we've established this, let's move on

And just wait for 4080 super reviews

I can already tell you that card will be popular

Be ready to jump on an msrp one

[severe hull]

Hey so if mother board boys says amd ryzen 5 ready . Do I still need to update bios?

[cyan ravine]

Potentially

What board and what cpu specifically

Cos there's a thousand ryzen 5's

[potent portal]

It could be compatible with a 5600X but not a 5600X3D for example

[cyan ravine]

It could be a b650 and a 5600x for example (cursed and has existed before)

[mossy venture]

hwat

[cyan ravine]

Idk if you remember the reddit post

Of a dude sticking a 5900x in a b650 strix

[potent portal]

I'm assuming (hopefully) that they meant Ryzen 5000

[leaden raft]

anyone know how i could get some help remote checking my pc out? im losing frames all the time over seemingly nothing and i cant figure out why

[severe hull]

Gigabyte b550m and ryzen 5 5600

[cyan ravine]

Should work

If it's the ds3h they have qflash iirc so you can still fix it if not

[cyan ravine]

What have you checked so far

[leaden raft]

ram

mainyl

[obsidian wigeon]

how much ram do you have

[leaden raft]

32gb

[mossy venture]

do you have xmp enabled

[leaden raft]

i do belieev

[cyan ravine]

So when exactly is it happening

[leaden raft]

i couldnt tell you a trigger for

[cyan ravine]

Oh ok

?ddu

[jolly river]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[cyan ravine]

Try this first

[leaden raft]

sometimes it happens an hour into playing games sometimes it happens 5 minutes into doing homework

[cyan ravine]

Oh?

Hmm

[leaden raft]

ive tried that

[mossy venture]

what type of lag is it?

[cyan ravine]

Run command prompt

As administrator

Type this in

[obsidian wigeon]

that to me sounds like it's throttling

[leaden raft]

framerate

[cyan ravine]

sfc /scannow

See if it comes up with anything

If it does it's worth investigating

[cyan ravine]

To clarify, in safe mode yes?

[leaden raft]

i did it however people in here told me to in the past

[cyan ravine]

Ok

[cyan ravine]

Oooo ok

Go into file explorer and look for that file

Then scroll all the way down and tell us what it found

If it's anything not wifi or bluetooth it might be ram related

Other thing to check is temps

[leaden raft]

how lol

[cyan ravine]

Type that directory into file explorer or go looking for it manually

You can go straight to that file

[leaden raft]

when i try windir it just opens google lol

[cyan ravine]

C:\windows\logs\cbs\cbs.log

[leaden raft]

it opened a huge notepad

[cyan ravine]

Ye

Scroll all the way down pass all the funny text

Down to the bottom

[leaden raft]

this is the bottom

[cyan ravine]

That's not the usual

Ok I would suggest a ram test

Two things

Go download hwinfo64

Open the sensors-only section of it

[leaden raft]

i have that

[cyan ravine]

And scroll to cpu temps

Sweet

We want to watch cpu temps

Then I want you to download one of two things

Testmem5

[cyan ravine]

With anta777 config

[leaden raft]

i think thats the one i tried before

[cyan ravine]

Or

Ycruncher stress tester

There's an overclock.net webpage forum that has all the tm5 stuff

[leaden raft]

do you have a link for that

[cyan ravine]

I do

http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/

Download the linux version

WINDOWS

[leaden raft]

linux???

[cyan ravine]

SORRY

[leaden raft]

ok

i was gonna say

[cyan ravine]

i was thinking about my phone

When you open it

[leaden raft]

what now

[cyan ravine]

Go to "component stress tester"

Then it will have like

4 things ticked

Type each number in until only vst is ticked

Then press iirc, 0

To start

[cyan ravine]

Ye open it

[cyan ravine]

Then go here

[leaden raft]

whats vst

[cyan ravine]

It tests all things including ram

You'd run it for at least an hour, if not 3

If it crashes at any point it's unstable

[leaden raft]

im ready to start stress testing?

[cyan ravine]

If you've enable vst yes and disabled all the others

[leaden raft]

i dont see taht

[cyan ravine]

I believe it's coloured like, yellow or green instead of red when it's enabled

Type 16

[leaden raft]

is vst supposed to be on my screen

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah it's not there wth

[leaden raft]

that says VT3

[cyan ravine]

Nvm don't type 16

Untype the 16

Type fft

14

[leaden raft]

done

[cyan ravine]

What's it look like now

[cyan ravine]

Ah ok

Type all the numbers 11-16

So that only fft is enabled

Then when that's done, type 0

[cyan ravine]

Yep there we go

Type 0

Sorry been a minute since I used it

[leaden raft]

its mkaing my pc have an aneurysm

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

[leaden raft]

so its working?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[leaden raft]

how do i see the progres?

[cyan ravine]

What you just sent is the progress

It will log periodically

And update

Come back in an hour or so

If it's ok then try tm5 anta777 again

[leaden raft]

Oh I just go iteration 1

[cyan ravine]

Ye

[leaden raft]

How many iteration do I need

[cyan ravine]

It will say elapsed time

Come back in an hour

[leaden raft]

Why an hour?

[cyan ravine]

The longer it goes the more stable you are

You can go for like 20 minutes perfectly fine but the 21st minute you could fail

[leaden raft]

Ok gotcha

[dry remnant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Captain_Narthex/saved/yvVWrH any critique? I just wanna make sure everything looks good

[obsidian wigeon]

is this for gaming?

do you do anything else?

[mossy venture]

Yeah I'd change some things. Do you need wifi, I'm assuming you care about rgb, do you require an aio?

Specifically I'd change the aio and ram

And cpu if you're just gaming

[cyan ravine]

100% agree with bacca

change the aio and ram

that's it really

7900x3d I'd go up to 7950x3d with the difference

[dry remnant]

I also do stuff 3d modeling, and editing videos. Occasionally stream and record

[cyan ravine]

you don't need an aio for x3d

can speak with first hand experience

you can cool zen 4 x3d with ice cubes

[mossy venture]

If you want the aio for the lcd display, this is at least much better value than the one you have in there. They would likely get within a few degrees of eachother on zen 4 x3d like felix is saying anyways
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LDqrxr/nzxt-kraken-240-7802-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-rl-kn240-b1

[crimson zinc]

Get the fancy block

[mossy venture]

Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2PKscf/deepcool-ak400-digital-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak400-bkadmn-g

[cyan ravine]

this would be functionally better for less

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rq2N9c

[cyan ravine]

go dual

[mossy venture]

With ddr5, 4 sticks isn't the best idea.

[cyan ravine]

do you use blender?

[dry remnant]

Yes

[mossy venture]

I second Felix's list

You want 4080 super 100%

[cyan ravine]

ok wait for 4080 super

[dry remnant]

Pretty much all my stuff in blender

[mossy venture]

Xtx will die in blender

[cyan ravine]

it's better for your needs

[cyan ravine]

WAY BETTER

lol

[mossy venture]

Like xtx loses to 4070 in blender

[dry remnant]

Oh didnt know this was an issue

Oof

[cyan ravine]

not an issue per say

but rather

it's a huge leap in perf

boop

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PrBdt7

[mossy venture]

Yeah blender is one of the only things amd gpus fall behind in

[cyan ravine]

still cheaper than your previous list, better performance

[mossy venture]

And if you want the lcd display for the cooler, ak620 digital or the 240mm linked above

[cyan ravine]

you can make it cheaper still, but it's a measure of what aesthetics you're ok with

[mossy venture]

But the edge is much better value

[cyan ravine]

give me a couple minutes

I'll show the bare minimum

[dry remnant]

I either want max RGB and matching fans and stuff, or none at all

thanks for helping me so far :)

[mossy venture]

It also would be worth looking into 14700k perf compared to 7900x3d/7950x3d in the tasks you're doing

[cyan ravine]

@dry remnant https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mjDN9c

knocks about 200 out

so I'd say you're just under 10% for aesthetics which to me is fine

[dry remnant]

oooo microATX is nice

[cyan ravine]

ye

room for a little more rgb

but the 4080S is huge

so cases aren't free picking

you can also go itx at this level

for maybe a few dollars difference

[dry remnant]

honestly that sounds amazing if the temps are fine

also one more question

[cyan ravine]

should be

heh it's "itx" btw

so kinda but also overkill lmao

[dry remnant]

is it better to either go with intel + nvidia or ryzen + raedon or does it not matter

[mossy venture]

Doesn't matter

[cyan ravine]

oh im01 is sold out

sadgeness

[mossy venture]

F

[cyan ravine]

ok maybe might be a bit more than my last list

[dry remnant]

das alright

[cyan ravine]

OOOO

OOO OK

I found an INTERESTING one

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8vGRMV

You can do white or black

[dry remnant]

oohhhh that case looks 🔥

[cyan ravine]

ikr

black:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YF6FpB

alternative cases

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Xn2WGX/phanteks-eclipse-p200a-performance-mitx-mini-tower-case-ph-ec200ac_bk01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vshFf7/phanteks-eclipse-p200a-drgb-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec200atg_dbk01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ktWJ7P/thermaltake-the-tower-200-mini-itx-tower-case-ca-1x9-00s1wn-00

[dry remnant]

idk man, that first case looks soo good

[cyan ravine]

torrent does

torrent is dope af

[dry remnant]

I currently have a fractal case rn and its nice

[cyan ravine]

tiny little itx with a 200mm ass fan

that would handily be a good pc for you tho

[mossy venture]

And 335mm gpu clearance is pretty nice for that size

[cyan ravine]

yeah

gives you options

[dry remnant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7J6p99/deepcool-ak620-zero-dark-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bknnmt-g-1 was looking at other builds and saw this cooler, looks really nice. is it a good one or not so much

[mossy venture]

Check out the phantom spirit evo

[cyan ravine]

good cooler but expensive

[mossy venture]

Same vibe but imo nicer

[cyan ravine]

yeah check out phantom spirit

[dry remnant]

oohh that looks really nice too

[cyan ravine]

phantom spirit is better

better fans, lower price

[mossy venture]

Actually I think same price as pse

[cyan ravine]

same quality cooler

eh

not 60

[mossy venture]

It's $50 I thought?

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GpbRsY/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se'

36

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BRMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-evo-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-evo

42

[mossy venture]

Pse is $50

Oh

[cyan ravine]

nope

[mossy venture]

Came down

[dry remnant]

yeah I was lookin at this one

[cyan ravine]

AK620 dark is 60

I think what would really top this build off

is if we found a psu with custom cables

or pick a unit where you can buy custom cables

[crimson zinc]

Look at the assassin iv

Makes you rock cold

[cyan ravine]

assassin iv is meh

[crimson zinc]

but it looks cool

[cyan ravine]

expensive just to keep up with the thermalrights

lol

[dry remnant]

i didnt know you could do that

[cyan ravine]

some ship with them

[dry remnant]

do you go to cablemod or somewhere

[cyan ravine]

you can yeah

but you want a certain brand

[dry remnant]

I was thinking either pure white or just those lian li rgb ones

[cyan ravine]

lian lis are extensions

that would be a terrible time in that case lol

[crimson zinc]

^

[cyan ravine]

torrent isn't very cable friendly afaik

let alone the mini

[dry remnant]

hmmm

[leaden raft]

@cyan ravine iteration 26 no errors

[cyan ravine]

this would work:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HWQ9Xk

get cablemod corsair replacements

[cyan ravine]

1 hour?

[leaden raft]

Just about

[cyan ravine]

probably fine

try tm5

[leaden raft]

6 more minutes technically

[cyan ravine]

give it 6 more minutes then

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

[leaden raft]

I did that one on the past

[cyan ravine]

ye try it again

then run that for 3 hours

anta777

if we can verify that it's fine, then it's not cpu or ram

nor gpu drivers

it's likely something different

like windows registry

or maybe even psu

ssd in rare cases

[leaden raft]

Ok I won’t have time for anta777 tonight will have to try tomorrow

[cyan ravine]

alr

cos weirdness like that

[leaden raft]

How do I stop the y cruncher

[cyan ravine]

my first thoughts are gpu drivers, then ram, then cpu, then something power related like a bad bridge

[cyan ravine]

close it

[dry remnant]

1: the new PSU has better cables right?
2: should I put a fan at the rear for exaust or is the CPU fan good enough
3: what ram would you reccomend that has some cool looking RGB

[cyan ravine]

fan at rear kinda helps

I'd keep ram low profile for the cooler

and the psu, both psus we had were good

gf a3 and rme

but cablemod corsair replacements would look very clean

more of a "if you want to" suggestion that last one

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PxNYcf/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-rgb-gaming-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp064gxlwu60afdf
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xJV2FT/oloy-blade-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-nd5u3264320irkde

[cyan ravine]

my concern is you'll install the cooler, then the fan won't fit so you'll put it at the back

[mossy venture]

Idt those are much taller than the other kit

[cyan ravine]

they are

owner of both

[mossy venture]

Ah

[cyan ravine]

oloys are nice

arguably way better

but tall

zeniths are fine but again, dual tower

you could, measure it up when you put it together, then consider the ram last

but the safe bet is the S5's

unless you don't mind the fans at the back on the dual tower

which in it's own way, just fine

but if you want the fan on the front aesthetic on the dual tower, I be fairly sure only the S5's would fit

S5's are really good sticks too, arguably better than g.skills trident Z's

[dry remnant]

so 1 fan 2 heatsinks? is that a huge performance hit? also if I do that I should also get a rear fan right

[cyan ravine]

you'd do 2 fan

it's not a huge performance hit, especially with the fans it ships on the thermalrights

but a hit indeed

couple degrees

I could go for or against fan on the rear tbh

[dry remnant]

could I put the fan from the cpu cooler on the rear? that way I dont have to buy another

[cyan ravine]

on one hand, two fans on the cooler, one on the back of the cooler, would be the same as a fan on the rear of the case

on the other

fans in the normal config

one on the back

possibly better

[dry remnant]

youve lost me. the cpu cooler has two fans and two radiators so reading from left to right (pretend its installed) its rad, fan, rad, fan, right

[cyan ravine]

lol

[dry remnant]

and i'd be modifying this how

[cyan ravine]

do it, one of 3 ways

back fan, rad, fan, rad, fan (left to right

no back fan, fan on cooler, rad, fan, rad

no back fan, rad, fan, rad, fan

the differences would be mostly negligible

between all 3

however it's better to have the fans on the cooler instead of the case

[dry remnant]

but the whole point of this was to make room for the ram, so 2nd option would leave most room if i think properly

right

[cyan ravine]

second option would work just fine

just a question if you prefer that aesthetic lol

[weary galleon]

Perhaps a little mspaint would help clarify the setups lol

[cyan ravine]

[dry remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/special-dumb-dummy-gif-7068419121745449264

i feel stupid

but I am learning so thats fine

also the mobo has 5 usb ports, that isnt ideal. is this a sacrifice i have to make for mini itx pc?

on that note are USB hubs worth using

[cyan ravine]

lol

[dry remnant]

art is never appriciated in its own time lol

[cyan ravine]

don't stick fan here

here is back[

back no need fan

[dry remnant]

understood, acccording to your diagram the RAM is not being blocked by the cpu cooler, does this reflect real world measurements

beucase the whole point me asking about cpu fan placement was to get ram some space

[potent portal]

Typically with 2 sticks there are no clearance issues unless you get a supersized cooler

[dry remnant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BRMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-evo-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-evo question is, is this supersized

[potent portal]

No

[dry remnant]

cool

thanks

[cyan ravine]

next option

[potent portal]

Supersized would be something like this https://www.icegiantcooling.com/products/prosiphon-elite

[dry remnant]

that is indeed supersized

good to know

[cyan ravine]

final option

all 3 will perform basically the same

just all look a fair bit aesthetically different

[dry remnant]

ok I choose first option, that way RAM is unobstructed

[cyan ravine]

that's fine

both fans on the cooler, be it front or back, it works the same

[dry remnant]

thanks for being patient with me I am clearly unlearned in the fields of smol form factor pc

and a lot of things apparently

[cyan ravine]

@earnest olive do u liek muh drawing? can I stick it on duh fridge?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cutie-sad-sorry-puss-in-boots-gif-14112849

[cyan ravine]

It's fine, what I teach now saves the trouble and mispending later

[dry remnant]

Thank you, oh Tech Jesus

[cyan ravine]

@crimson zinc he got you beat on my favourite quote

tech jesus is a guy named steve from a youtube channel called gamers nexus, I don't deserve that title 💀

[dry remnant]

ok fine, tech apostle

[cyan ravine]

I'll take that

[dry remnant]

also this mobo has 5 usbs, I currently use like 10 in my build. are USB hubs a solution or do I just suck it up buttercup

or get better mobo

[cyan ravine]

uh

you can use a usb hub

preferably thunderbolt 3 hub

[dry remnant]

ok idk if those were amazon scams or not

[cyan ravine]

but if it's a concern then a better mobo can be in order

ok this board doesn't have thunderbolt

lemme have a poke around

[dry remnant]

ideally a better mobo would be nice because dongles are annoying

[dry remnant]

sounds splendidtacular

[cyan ravine]

do you prefer sff or more usb

[crimson zinc]

NOOOO

[cyan ravine]

ok there's one option for itx and 10 usb

424$

@dry remnant do you prefer to go to mATX or just stay and get a good couple hubs

this board is hilariously not worth

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xkVmP6/asus-rog-strix-x670e-i-gaming-wifi-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-rog-strix-x670e-i-gaming-wifi

[dry remnant]

I can do hubs im too hooked on the mini itx

[cyan ravine]

alternatively I could do sff matx

[dry remnant]

this ones still pretty pricey and has one more USB port...? Asus ROG STRIX B650E-I GAMING WIFI Mini ITX

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WQTp99/asus-rog-strix-b650e-i-gaming-wifi-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-rog-strix-b650e-i-gaming-wifi

sorry meant to post link first

ofc its basically the same as the first one right

[cyan ravine]

that has 8

would 8 work?

[dry remnant]

wait am I blind

[cyan ravine]

could alternatively do this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fXKgKX

like 8 then a single usb hub would be fine

a decent hub

[dry remnant]

ohh sorry I dont see usb c

[cyan ravine]

ah

the board you linked I think that top usb-c is thunderbolt

which would be great

[obsidian wigeon]

that's a lot of io

[cyan ravine]

nope it's 3.2 2x2

still good

$311 tho

[potent portal]

If it's an AMD board then it's not thunderbolt, that's intel only without tricks

[cyan ravine]

that's pricey af

no

am5 has thunderbolt aka usb 4

my gene has it

2 ports

[potent portal]

USB 4 is different but similar

Functionally mostly the same

[dry remnant]

honestly this seems like a good option, all I need is some USB-C to USB-A hubs or something

[potent portal]

Thunderbolt docks and such usually work on USB 4

[cyan ravine]

It's expensive though

but if you really want to

[cyan ravine]

tell me what you think of this first

[dry remnant]

I do like Asus mobo

[cyan ravine]

you can add a screen to that d31 case

unlike the torrent nano

it has a full sized screen attachment

[dry remnant]

idk screens are cool and all but it just seems like something Id never use

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k34Zxr/jonsbo-d31-mesh-screen-microatx-mini-tower-case-d31-mesh-screen-black

boop

big screen

could play doom on it

[dry remnant]

hmmm

[cyan ravine]

💀

[dry remnant]

lol

idk that case does look pretty clean too

[cyan ravine]

it would be cheaper than the b650e-i

that mobo alone is worth two premium cases

[dry remnant]

yeah I think youre right

[cyan ravine]

just showing you an alternative so you can weigh up

so this would be solid

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/87mHbL

the burning question is finding the screen version

they still make them

[dry remnant]

yeah just about to say

[cyan ravine]

just they sell out a lot

[dry remnant]

hmm

[cyan ravine]

if you lived in my country I know where several are lol

have to do some research

that said

the d31 vanilla is fine

quite a good case imo

asus AP201 also exists

similar to D31

[dry remnant]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bYytt6/gigabyte-b650i-aorus-ultra-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-b650i-aorus-ultra this mobo looks pretty nice, is there a reason you didnt pick it? also thought of getting something like this too to fix usb problem https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Aluminum-Adapter-MacBook-Chromebook/dp/B07DFYQXY7/ref=asc_df_B07DFYQXY7/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309776868400&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14655419394188650471&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9008341&hvtargid=pla-569861447705&psc=1&mcid=328c6689813535eca97ce56787fda90b&gclid=CjwKCAiAtt2tBhBDEiwALZuhAFJfIPMADrbozm4W5p_fGTjJAKMVMpdfoatZ2zrujbg4igrfjF7gzhoCuZIQAvD_BwE

[cyan ravine]

you could

I did see that

but I figure it was creeping on expensive

there really isn't a bad choice for am5 itx

they're all functionally sound

just down to how much you want to put stock in the io really

[dry remnant]

I think its a good middle range, its under $2500 and I can use the USBc for a hub

[cyan ravine]

ah

you say that

but let me interest you in another option

give me 5 minutes

ah nvm, 4090 is back to 2 grand

ok nope, that's as good as it gets

💀

[dry remnant]

I'll have to talk to you in the morning. its getting pretty late for me. thanks so much for helping me though

[cyan ravine]

all good

I thought the 4090's were still at 1670

would've thrown another list in there for 2500

[open jungle]

anyone know anything good on the Lexar NM790 4TB

[cyan ravine]

what would you use it for

I have nothing on the nm790

but gm7000 is the same price

and ud90 is cheaper and overall better

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bJV2FT/acer-predator-gm7000-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-bl9bwwr107

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2BvD4D/silicon-power-ud90-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp04kgbp44ud9005

also solid

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FZWzK8/teamgroup-mp34-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4004t0c101

but if you aren't using the drive for video editing or large daily file moving I wouldn't bother with the GM7000

you would see no benefits

marginal at most

[open jungle]

Boot drive and some game storage

[cyan ravine]

nah just get a regular drive

gaming and boot you won't really benefit from it

[open jungle]

my current boot drive is a 500gb 970 evo my friend let me use

[open jungle]

i guess

[cyan ravine]

I would say that's already ample

[open jungle]

m o r e

[cyan ravine]

no I mean speed wise

[potent portal]

You can continue to use the 500GB as a boot drive and add another drive

[open jungle]

current storage is (boot drive) 500gb 970 evo 1tb TeamGroup Vulkan Z Repurposed 4TB Xbox gamedrive

[cyan ravine]

get this

[potent portal]

No point going even gen 4 for gaming unless it's only a couple $ more

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2VJgXL/teamgroup-mp44l-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpk002t0c101

way better $/TB

and it would be as fast in games

differences you couldn't ever notice

the difference between a good sata and a good gen 4 in games is like a few tenths of a second lmao

[potent portal]

Load times comparison
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102614680338456/1115505510154768404/image.png

[open jungle]

whoops

[cyan ravine]

and it's like this for 99% of games

[potent portal]

Windows load time is the biggest difference between gen 3 and 4, and it's like 13 seconds vs 11 seconds

[cyan ravine]

if at that

you can have a really good install on even a low end drive and it still flies into windows

windows install variation has a much larger impact than the drive speed

[open jungle]

i like having unnecessary amounts of storage lol

[potent portal]

Took a minute to find this again
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/885523647400390686/1100323030443511818/image.png

[cyan ravine]

nothing wrong with that

but as I said, MP44L is better $/tb

and it's a good gen 4 at that

like really good

and there's the other 4tb options

[open jungle]

Ill definitely look into it

[cyan ravine]

which are much cheaper

you pay a premium nowadays for denser ssd options

[open jungle]

i realize i never put my specs in the pics chat

[cyan ravine]

it ok

I can see them

💀

[open jungle]

lol i mean the stuff other than my cpu and gpu

[cyan ravine]

if you tell me you have like 5tb already we're gonna talk

[open jungle]

i definitely dont

noooooo

[cyan ravine]

sometimes we get people in here tho

that do that

lol

[open jungle]

(i have 5.5tb total)

i have no clue what you were getting at btw

[potent portal]

I did a little cleanup, there's another 3TB that's not shared on my server

[cyan ravine]

we should talk about

storage management

[pseudo pollen]

💀

[cyan ravine]

ok yeah you don't need an ssd

go get a cheap hdd

and you can clone all your lesser used stuff on there

[mossy venture]

I have 3.5tb of ssd storage in my main pc for absolutely no reason other than $30 p41 plus 2tb

[cyan ravine]

I have my entire games library on my x3d rig and I barely scrape 4tb

I play

maybe a third of it

if that, I don't play often

[pseudo pollen]

I have 5tb ssd storage :)

[mossy venture]

Oh yeah no I only need like 1.5tb

[cyan ravine]

good storage management would go a long way

learn what to keep and what to let go

[open jungle]

i5 13600KF
Asus ROG Strix B760-i Gaming WiFi
Silverstone Vida 240 SLIM
Nvidia RTX 3080 Founders Edition
Fractal Design Ridge PCIE 4.0
Phanteks Revolt SFX 850W Platinum
500GB 970 EVO
1TB Teamgroup Vulkan Z
4TB 2.5 HDD from an old Xbox gamedrive (Seagate something idr)

Woot woot

[pseudo pollen]

It takes a while lol

I don't have the patience for that, but I do have the ability to get more drives

[cyan ravine]

2tb ssd would slot in just fine

sorry I thought the 4tb was an ssd

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/hoarder-trash-omg-pile-disorganized-gif-8712372

[open jungle]

yeah i have an available nvme slot

[cyan ravine]

2tb is fine if you really need it

but seriously no more

[strong raft]

Gonna start installing all my steam games by using up the rest of my 1TB/mo internet limit before each 1st of the month. Take me a couple months probably.

[cyan ravine]

after that you have a storage problem

[open jungle]

me and my stupid plan to have like 20TB

[cyan ravine]

as an australian I know this pain

[pseudo pollen]

I want to have a full ssd nas or some crap like that

44tb

[cyan ravine]

but yet I still don't run out of space on 4tb

I have something like 20tb in ssd

I will likely never use it all up

good 30tb in hdd

something stupid like that

I can count it, 13tb in my main

500 +500

1 +2

[open jungle]

the second i have too much money itll be a problem

[cyan ravine]

+2

19tb?

in ssd

+8+5

+5

[open jungle]

I will have ALTEAST one 8TB sabrent rocket in this thing

[cyan ravine]

+1+1+1

21TB in hdd?

wait no

the laptops

[open jungle]

i christened it Thermonuclear Bomb (i give my computers dumb names)

[cyan ravine]

uh

+3+1

no +2+1

something about 22TB in SSD

[open jungle]

it would 1000% be space heater if i hadnt given that name to my old pc

[cyan ravine]

and 21TB in hdd

I run almost all the HDD as separate NAS' in a server pool

[cyan ravine]

if you don't mind spending like, 2 grand go for it

[open jungle]

what

[cyan ravine]

8tb nvme is stupid expensive

[open jungle]

theyre a grand rn

[cyan ravine]

oh my bad

[open jungle]

just over

[cyan ravine]

off by maybe a grand

[open jungle]

still alot though

[cyan ravine]

[open jungle]

[cyan ravine]

what works way better

go get 8tb in sata ssd

run in a raid array

pay less than half

[open jungle]

lol 8tb samsung QVO

[cyan ravine]

no

TLC

mine's TLC

[open jungle]

hmmmmmmm

[cyan ravine]

4x A55 go brrr

[open jungle]

the Ridge does have 4 2.5 spots

[cyan ravine]

would be way cheaper

also again

storage management

[open jungle]

yea yea yea

[cyan ravine]

learn to just not use so much

[open jungle]

but i feel complete randomly trying to download my entire steam library

[cyan ravine]

this is why you can get a big hdd

move a lot you don't use to that

then transfer it over later

have a look at this

#tech-deals message

then get a hdd usb interface

so you can plug it in when you want to move stuff

14tb sir for $115

then shuffle the games you don't use onto there

you could fit so much crap in that lmao

[earnest olive]

didn't know you were a professional artist

[little osprey]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/ASUS-TUF-Gaming-23-8-FHD-1920x1080-Gaming-Monitor-IPS-165Hz-1ms-Black-VG249Q1RY-New/1263993006?clickid=0WHRCOWYKxyPRsh3fkT3IwxLUkHzR7X1w0pHws0&irgwc=1&sourceid=imp_0WHRCOWYKxyPRsh3fkT3IwxLUkHzR7X1w0pHws0&veh=aff&wmlspartner=imp_1390754&affiliates_ad_id=565706&campaign_id=9383&sharedid=

Thoughts on this?

[potent portal]

Seems closely related to this https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/tuf-gaming-vg249q1a

Slightly below average, acceptable as a gaming monitor on a budget

[stable cove]

Hey where’s that XT Radeon graphics card you guys mentioned a while back? Because reviews for the 4080 SUPER are today but I could be getting the XT graphics card. Just depends. All I need is a powerful gpu with a display port 1.4 on it. Because I’m playing vr so that’s crucial

I may also see if I can get an external storage drive that you can plug through the usb just so I have a few terrabytes of storage for my pc to spare

[mossy venture]

I'd recommend just getting a second internal drive, unless you have a laptop or another pc you'd like to move the drive back and forth between

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6mVPRv

[stable cove]

24 gb of vram for only $1000 that’s a card that’s hard to deny what a nice deal

Hopefully graphics look great in vr on that

[mossy venture]

Honestly vr is one of the few things nvidia might be better in

I know for sure 6000 series wasn't great compared to 30 series in vr, but I'm not sure about 7000 series

I'd do research on that first before you buy

[potent portal]

4080 super might be worth it for VR when it drops

$1000 msrp but it'll probably sell out fast

[stable cove]

4080 super should be launching soon. If not today I have to be able to buy it tomorrow

[potent portal]

Tomorrow is review day for it

Same as launch day sadly

[stable cove]

Why sadly? Tomorrow should be the day I can buy it and see a price for it on pcpartpicker

[potent portal]

Because when the reviews drop at the same time as the cards launch, and it's expected to sell out fast, you don't get to see a review to make an informed purchase before you buy

[stable cove]

Well I’ll just order it tomorrow so I can have it before it sells out. It’s the only option I have technically

Itd be ridiculous for a gpu to sell out the day it first launches so I get it tomorrow when it first comes out I’m probably likely to get it

I’ll probably just have to buy it and live with it

[manic cloak]

Hrmmmm

It’s the gaming version btw

[manic cloak]

Honestly ya buy it tomorrow

Are you getting it in person or online?

[stable cove]

Online

[manic cloak]

Okay cause if you don’t open it at all

You can just buy it

Watch the reviews

If they’re 💩 then return

[stable cove]

They said it’s gonna sell out real fast

[manic cloak]

If it’s “best gpu of 2024” then we’ll keep it

[manic cloak]

I recommend going in person or stalk Nividas website

To grab the FE edition

If you go through Newegg it might be up charged by a bit depending on brand and model

[stable cove]

Link to Nividia website please?

There are other parts I’m gonna have to purchase through Newegg though but not every part

[manic cloak]

Give me a seconds

[manic cloak]

Us right?

[stable cove]

Yeah USA

[manic cloak]

It would be here https://store.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/store/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-us&gpu=RTX 4090,RTX 4080,RTX 4070 Ti,RTX 4070,RTX 4060 Ti,RTX 4060,RTX 4070 SUPER,RTX 4070 Ti SUPER&category=GPU,DESKTOP

Or here https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/

[stable cove]

Yeah I might wait for 4080 super. Both 4080 and 4090 are well outta stock on there so I am gonna have to pick from somewhere else.

[covert crypt]

Can I use different brands of fans instead of the default NZXT fans that come with the NZXT kraken z73 aio?

Reusing some of my components and want to swap out these nzxt fans with a my old silent wings 3

[potent portal]

You should be able to swap the fans on almost any radiator

[dusky hearth]

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah you would think so

[potent portal]

Yeah I'm betting on selling out within the first hour everywhere because of bots

[lone flame]

the 4080 super?

[potent portal]

Yes

[mossy venture]

My guess is iffy stock for the first few weeks, maybe a couple of months at most

[stable cove]

Why would a product sell out the day its first released? Are that many people hasty to buy it?

[potent portal]

Bots buy them so scalpers can resell

[mossy venture]

Because nvidia is artificially limiting the market, which causes a larger number of people wanting one but not being able to get it, which causes scalping

[stable cove]

WHAT?! Bots buy pc parts? Why would computer ai buy pc parts? That’s absolutely stupid

[mossy venture]

No, people set up bots to buy them

So they can then resell them

[stable cove]

Is that to sell it for a more expensive price and profit?

[potent portal]

Bot does not mean AI, they're just scripts that scalpers use to speed through checkout and buy as many as possible

Correct they'll buy the $1000-1100 cards and resell them for $1600

Because the 4090 is already back up to $2k

[stable cove]

It’s been 2k for a while. Look at pcpartpicker

[potent portal]

Yeah it was $1650 for a bit

But no more

[mossy venture]

4090 pricing is also artificially being limited

The only "reason" it went up was bc nvidia was mass exporting cards to China before the ban

There's no reason for it to still be this high, it just suits nvidias needs. 4090 pricing being high means 4080 super will sell for more

[stable cove]

I might not even have one second to buy 4080 super. Could be sold out just in 3 hours after it launches.

[dusky hearth]

you have probably an hour nowadays

for the 3070, i tried to buy it 15 minutes after launch and it was sold out everywhere

but nowadays, i dont think the scalping is as bad, though i would still say you should try to buy it ASAP

[stable cove]

It could launch at midnight or anytime and you said all I have is one hour to do that. Maybe I should just pay hundreds more and purchase a 4090. I know it’s not a great idea but yeah

[mossy venture]

I mean... no point in doing that right now

Wait. Try to get one. See what happens.

Honestly scalping was much much worse during the pandemic

Now most gpus are commonly found below msrp, except for when they first launch