#building-and-recc-chat

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stable cove
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I was thinking the back fan and the top ones would be intake and the right side three fans would be the exhaust

plucky timber
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Can you split it across two drives?

stable cove
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Unless the gpus fans blow upwards

plucky timber
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you can save a lot of money by getting two 4TB drives instead

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unless that is not an option

crimson whale
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I was going for the qvo for faster load time wasn't going to setup raid for it.

plucky timber
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you don't have to raid them

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you can just have them as separate drives

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and also the qvo drives will be slower than any nvme

crimson whale
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Better then my 4tb HD.

plucky timber
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well yes but

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a 4TB qvo costs more than an nvme

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according to pcpartpicker

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for the 8TB...

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well you're paying over $500 for a sata drive

crimson whale
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But what the speeds and spec to a normal Sata drive that size.

stable cove
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You know something. If AMD Ryzen 7 77800x3d is enough to run a 4090 the best gpu out there to buy then why would they need to buy the 7950x3d?

plucky timber
crimson whale
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Solid state.

plucky timber
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ok

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Do you mind if I use 4TB drives as a point of comparison?

crimson whale
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Yes I plan on getting 4tb.

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Or more.

strong raft
plucky timber
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basically the 870 qvo runs on sata iii

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which is capped at 6Gb/s

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NVMe drives run on PCI-Express

cyan ravine
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7950x3d is for more than just gaming

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7800x3d is the gaming champ

plucky timber
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according to samsung the 870 qvo has 560 MB/s read and 530MB/s write speeds

cyan ravine
cyan ravine
crimson whale
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I only have two m.2 slot one 3.0 and other 4.0.

cyan ravine
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Try not to stick to one store. Can cause costs to skyrocket since sales come from everywhere

plucky timber
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the MP34, usually the cheapest 4TB NVMe ssd is rated for 3500MB/s read and 2900MB/s write

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assuming that it's pcie gen 4

stable cove
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I gotta buy parts from Amazon and Newegg

plucky timber
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so even if it's capped to gen 3 speeds it would still be significantly faster than the 870 qvo

stable cove
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That’s why we used pcpartpicker

plucky timber
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and these days nvme prices are on par with sata if you don't go over 4TB

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that's why i recommend getting 2 4TB drive instead of one large 8TB

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better $/gb

stable cove
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Maybe I’ll do the sides of the fans as intake and the top exhaust

crimson whale
stable cove
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That way it’s going the same way as the gpus fans

plucky timber
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I personally own an acer predator GM7000 4TB

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solid ssd

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7400MB/s read and 6700MB/s write

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and it was only $250

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for $500 you can get two of those

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or two MP34 4TBs for $400

stable cove
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At least now I can finally kiss my old Dell computer goodbye soon

crimson whale
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Should I make the 1tb m.2 drive external if I get the 4tb reads of 7500mb.

plucky timber
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well...

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if one of your pcie slots is gen 3

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then you won't get anywhere near that for the drive in that slot

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but since gen 4 drives are pretty close to gen 3 drives in price anyways it doesn't really matter

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you still get what you pay for

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even if you don't get the full performance out of it

crimson whale
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My motherboard is the rog Asus b550f gaming.

plucky timber
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ok I'm going to check that real quick

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I know some motherboards disable certain pcie slots

crimson whale
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Only has one 4.0 slot.

plucky timber
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when there is a gpu inserted

plucky timber
crimson whale
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Or Sata ssd.

plucky timber
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you could put less storage intensive games in that slot

plucky timber
crimson whale
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I can only add in 4 sata drive in the computer if two of the m.2 slots are used.

plucky timber
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yeah

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I'd still get the nvmes tho

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the cheapest sata drives are like $190

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and the cheapest NVMes are $200

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even if it's capped at gen 3 speeds they're still way better than what you get for sata

crimson zinc
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This is a good nvme, right?

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crimson whale
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I guess but i have to transfer all the files to the new drive.

plucky timber
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It's a good value nvme

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you get good storage per $

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but not neccessarily the best in terms of performance and quality

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but for generic use cases it doesn't really matter

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you won't really need anything better unless you're hammering the ssd with adobe apps

plucky timber
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oof that's a pain

cursive wharf
# stable cove I was thinking the back fan and the top ones would be intake and the right side ...

When setting up case fans, make sure they are making a good airflow path. This is an example of a bad one, where the front top intake fan is feeding directly into the top front exhaust fan causing no actual heat transfer. Nothing is being cooled with the wasted airflow. In fact that top front fan can even fight with the air cooler, making the air cooler get less airflow which decreases its cooling performance.
In most builds, the top front case fan shouldnt be populated.

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stable cove
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And then the gpus fans are also facing up

limber oyster
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How big is this truly?

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stable cove
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So can’t really make the top fans intake because then you’re just getting air stuck in that same position

mossy venture
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Do you mean height?

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164mm tall

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Also if I remember right, it's as good as a decent 280mm aio

mossy venture
stable cove
mossy venture
potent portal
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Leave that front top slot unoccupied

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Preferably blocked off even so air can't escape

stable cove
potent portal
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Or just don't do top fans at all

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They don't really do much in a case like that

stable cove
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Is three intake fans and one exhaust going to do good? That’s a lot more intake than exhaust

potent portal
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That's fine

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The holes in the case will allow any excess pressure to escape

stable cove
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Ok that makes sense

potent portal
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I have 5 giant intake fans and my only exhaust is my power supply

limber oyster
mossy venture
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I do not see that happening

limber oyster
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Changed the GPU to a Strix 3060ti btw

potent portal
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That case is too tight for an ice giant

limber oyster
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Darn

mossy venture
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What cpu is that

limber oyster
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5700x or 3700x

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Idk off the top of my head. I do know it's an am4 Ryzen 7

mossy venture
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You could get away with a 120-140mm aio honestly, otherwise another low profile cooler

cyan ravine
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Why do you want an ice giant for a 3700x

potent portal
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It won't get very hot so yeah a 120 AIO would be viable

stable cove
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Glad I got an ATX motherboard and case so hopefully I can fit that air cooler in with all the other parts

limber oyster
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Can't do aio due to TSA restrictions

mossy venture
potent portal
cyan ravine
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Just get a decent dual tower and call it a day

limber oyster
mossy venture
cyan ravine
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Silver soul 100%

stable cove
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I think now I see why they said more fans doesn’t mean better airflow

mossy venture
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Check your cpu cooler clearance

cyan ravine
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Ice giant is like a big 240mm block on top of a coldplate

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It won't fit in most things

mossy venture
stable cove
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Best to have air flowing in a safe line across pc parts

cyan ravine
potent portal
limber oyster
limber oyster
stable cove
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They told me I could’ve went with a singular air cooler but I thought a dual would be more efficient

limber oyster
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No way am I doing checked baggage for a PC

mossy venture
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Also what if you put an AIO in your checked baggage

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Pc in carry on

limber oyster
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I use a Asus strix b550i with silicone power 2x16 GB argb ram

obsidian wigeon
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tbh i feel the prosiphon elite cooler thing might damage mobos in the long run

mossy venture
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I know f all about ram clearance

obsidian wigeon
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it's massive

limber oyster
obsidian wigeon
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weighs a lot as well

limber oyster
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Easier to do air cooling

mossy venture
limber oyster
mossy venture
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huh

limber oyster
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I travel a lot

stable cove
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Yeah they told me not to get a water cooler because performance wouldn’t be much different from the air cooler and I’d run the risk of leaking

mossy venture
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And its because use cases vary

obsidian wigeon
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Different cpus, different cooling requirement

mossy venture
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His case is compact, and low profile coolers tend to be expensive. That 120mm would be just as good and potentially easier

obsidian wigeon
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^

mossy venture
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If you want an aio get one. Just know it is not needed.

limber oyster
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I might just swap my fan

mossy venture
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It will not improve your experience in any way.

cyan ravine
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There's that dual fan flat cooler

limber oyster
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Get a p12 PST

obsidian wigeon
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Size restrictions come into play as you go small in form factor

mossy venture
limber oyster
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Get 4 of em

mossy venture
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The fan should alr be good

stable cove
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Yeah I’ll try the air cooler first

cyan ravine
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Anyone looking at pcpp rn

mossy venture
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Yeah wsp felix

limber oyster
cyan ravine
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Go find that dual fan flat cooler

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The one gn reviewed

mossy venture
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Oh god alright

cyan ravine
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No it's good

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Thx

obsidian wigeon
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You don't need to drop $169 on air cooling, or even an AIO

cyan ravine
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I'd look myself but aussie day

stable cove
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I could do custom loop but those are for well experienced pc builders and I can’t even pick correct pc parts as Felix noticed

limber oyster
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My case fans and the CPU fan are the 3000 rpm 150cfm noctura industrial fans

cyan ravine
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I'd personally just not use pbo on the 3700x but anyway

limber oyster
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aka....LOUD

cyan ravine
limber oyster
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I can hear them in the hotel hallway

mossy venture
limber oyster
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I can only imagine what my neighbors hear

cyan ravine
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That's -

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A cooler

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How much

mossy venture
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Yeah lmao

limber oyster
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That would fit... without the bottom fan

mossy venture
cyan ravine
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And without the stupid noise

stable cove
cyan ravine
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Mhm

limber oyster
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The ram clearance i have rn

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cyan ravine
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It's realistically difficult to get parts wrong unless there's very obvious lack of reading in the pc builder space

limber oyster
cyan ravine
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Sure p12's work

limber oyster
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Chainable

cyan ravine
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C12c's are a bit better per dollar

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Up to you

limber oyster
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Are c12s chainable?

obsidian wigeon
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doesn't c12c have daisy chain

stable cove
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I hope eventually I get better at picking pc parts myself

limber oyster
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Cause I only have two fan slots

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CPU and chassis

obsidian wigeon
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Here you can learn and get better at how to pick parts, but if you're too lazy to learn. We can help you optimize for that good pc without compromises but not overspending

limber oyster
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With p12 I can daisy chain off of the cpu

mossy venture
obsidian wigeon
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We're all volunteers, but we won't give you something that will have any issues lol

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Yeah, it takes dedication basically to know about this

stable cove
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Let’s hope three intake on the front of my case and one exhaust in the back will do it

mossy venture
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One more exhaust on the back side of the top wouldn't hurt

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But not needed

stable cove
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Yeah just far away from the intake

obsidian wigeon
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You never really need top fans

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Just front and back is perfectly fine

cyan ravine
limber oyster
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Ok

stable cove
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Insane to imagine that I was gonna put fans all over my case and waste a lot of airflow

cyan ravine
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limber oyster
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But yeah, that ram clearance is why I'm hesitant on changing the CPU block

cyan ravine
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@4 minutes

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He shows daisy chain

obsidian wigeon
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Eh, we all start somewhere

limber oyster
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👍

obsidian wigeon
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Don't shame yourself for lacking knowledge

stable cove
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It’s just embarrassing I had to have someone make a pc build for me. And I’ve did research n this for a while. It’s humiliating to me that the research wasn’t enough and I never released it

mossy venture
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A lot of people are paid to say something

cyan ravine
obsidian wigeon
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^

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We wanna make it right

cyan ravine
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Right isn't the best word

limber oyster
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I learned via PC Builder Simulator 😅

cyan ravine
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"as best as possible"

obsidian wigeon
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True

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That's the goal

cyan ravine
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There will always be someone out there who knows something we don't

limber oyster
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I actually used PC builder Simulator on my laptop while I built my PC step by step

obsidian wigeon
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lmao

limber oyster
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😅

obsidian wigeon
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That's a way to do it

limber oyster
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It booted first try to the windows install media

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Hardest part was setting up my two AIOs and joining them into one system

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Thankfully the manufacturer sent instructions specifically for that

stable cove
cyan ravine
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That's just to prevent dust

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It's still generalisation

stable cove
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Hopefully building it won’t be too hard all I have to do is screw everything on and apply the thermal paste.

cyan ravine
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Mhm

stable cove
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People put thermal paste on their cpus to help reduce chance of overheating

plucky timber
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no

cyan ravine
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N-

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No

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People put thermal paste on so the cooler works

plucky timber
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people put thermal paste so the surface of the cpu makes contact with the cooler

obsidian wigeon
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Thermal paste is the interface material between the cooler and cpu

stable cove
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Ok but I know you put it on

obsidian wigeon
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It fills in the tiny gaps

stable cove
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You just gotta put the right amount on not too little nor too much

obsidian wigeon
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too much is fine

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it'll just be a mess

stable cove
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That’s probably a tricky part too much and it gets on your parts

plucky timber
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which they should be

obsidian wigeon
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which they are

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the popular choice anyway

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or the paste that's included with coolers

plucky timber
stable cove
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Most people do an x for their thermal paste

plucky timber
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no

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there are different types of application

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for different cpus

stable cove
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Then what would you guys do?

obsidian wigeon
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it depends on the cpu design

plucky timber
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it depends on the cpu

obsidian wigeon
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but for am5 just do a dot

plucky timber
stable cove
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Literally sounds like something everyone could do

plucky timber
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yes

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it is

cyan ravine
plucky timber
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^

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it makes sure the entire surface of the IHS is covered

cyan ravine
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You don't need to on AM5, but most others it helps

lyric thistle
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I set it and forget it

mossy venture
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I just do a pea sized dot in the middle and some lil dots around

cyan ravine
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Dot is ok on am5

plucky timber
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usually the dot works

lyric thistle
stable cove
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Yeah It’s just what would I spread the thermal paste with to cover the entire surface before I put the cooler on?

plucky timber
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but spreading helps

obsidian wigeon
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spreading is a common best practice

cyan ravine
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Because the paste isn't the bottleneck on am5 it's the ihs

mossy venture
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It doesnt really matter that much as long as enough is used

cyan ravine
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So dot is really ok

plucky timber
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I've never had paste issues

obsidian wigeon
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but if it's on am5

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dot is ok

cyan ravine
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Dots and cross if you want to be careful

plucky timber
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unless they actually dried out

cyan ravine
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I've had two pastes dry out on me

plucky timber
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I had to use a hairdryer to heat up a 9500GT

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before i could remove the heatsink

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it was actually stuck

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the paste turned into concrete

stable cove
plucky timber
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anything?

cyan ravine
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A little spatula if you have

plucky timber
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you can spread it with a teaspoon

cyan ravine
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Rubber glove

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Don't use ur cutlery

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Don't

plucky timber
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oh yeah conductive

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static electricity

obsidian wigeon
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don't do that

plucky timber
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nvm

stable cove
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Yeah think spreading would be best

cyan ravine
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No

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Not that

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You have to eat with it

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Don't

obsidian wigeon
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it's more the paste being potentially dangerous

cyan ravine
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Don't put that anywhere near paste

plucky timber
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oh lol

cyan ravine
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That's gross af kekw

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Rubber glove and finger, or paste spatula

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Old credit card

stable cove
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So what would happen if someone were not to put any thermal paste on the cpu?

cyan ravine
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Edge of a notebook

plucky timber
cyan ravine
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And yes

plucky timber
cyan ravine
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Overheat

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Sure

stable cove
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Ok then google was correct about that then

cyan ravine
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They put ice cream sticks in k5 pro

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Ice cream stick is valid

plucky timber
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easy to mass produce

cyan ravine
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Anything with a flat edge that doesn't go in your mouth

stable cove
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Glad I didn’t research for nothing

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I just didn’t do any on how to pick proper parts and balance the pricing

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Isn’t putting the pc together pretty simple?

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Because I’ve seen people do this and it shouldn’t be too difficult to put the pc parts together when they arrive to your house?

cyan ravine
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Think of it like

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Adult lego

plucky timber
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maybe don't call it adult lego

stable cove
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Well most of it’s screwing things on and snapping things on

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I’ve heard if you don’t have all 4 ram sticks then you gotta be careful where you put them on the motherboard if you have 3 or 2

cyan ravine
cyan ravine
stable cove
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If you have all 4 then youd have all the slots in the motherboard filled. Unless there were to be more than 4 but don’t think motherboards have more than 4 ram slots

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Or maybe they do I could be wrong

potent portal
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Lego has no upper limit on age. All Lego is adult Lego.

stable cove
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But yeah I think if you have two ram then you gotta put them in the right spots on your motherboard

plucky timber
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consult motherboard manual

potent portal
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Don't use all 4 slots with DDR5

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With Intel, you won't be running more than 5200 on a Z790 board, 4400-4800 on Z690

stable cove
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Does the motherboard even come with a manual? We’re buying the parts individually

cyan ravine
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All of it has manuals

stable cove
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Because if you only have two ram sticks you can’t just insert them into whichever slots you want

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Or at least that’s what I got from YouTube

cyan ravine
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The manual will tell you which slots

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A2 and B2

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But the motherboard manual will say

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There's a tutorial in the pins

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It will answer

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Almost every single question you have

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Here

stable cove
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So you mentioned not paying for windows? Do I just install the free media from another computer?

cyan ravine
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Mhm

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Then come back for the last step

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I'm not allowed to say what it is here

stable cove
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I’ll just buy the parts and put it all together for now

cyan ravine
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👍

stable cove
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You can control which way the air coolers fans are blowing right?

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Because I am probably going to have three intake fans on 1 side and then one exhaust on the other in the back so the air cooler probably should be aimed towards the exhaust for air to exit

potent portal
stable cove
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Yeah if the exhaust fans gonna be clear in the back of the pc it’s obvious the air cooler should be sending air towards the exhaust to escape

potent portal
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Right. Normally the cooler will come partially disassembled and you need to clip the fans on so you just make sure they're facing the right way.

stable cove
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Should I buy extra case fans incase the case itself doesn’t come with enough for the airflow because I’m gonna need 4 fans

obsidian wigeon
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the more expensive cases often come with enough fans already

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like fractal pop

buoyant birch
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any clue why my pc needs to boot 2 or 3 times before it actually starts?

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and any overlock / ram settings get reset

potent portal
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Sounds like the memory overclock is unstable

buoyant birch
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ok thanks will change that

honest anchor
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jello again

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anyone wanna help me pick a pc part list for 1000$ budget?

vivid copper
obsidian wigeon
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a bit over budget but here's mine

cyan ravine
obsidian wigeon
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ooo

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yeah

stable cove
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Yeah I definitely gotta start doing more research on picking good parts and matching everything. I admit it. Majority of the research I’ve been doing has been on cooling and putting pc parts together

dusky hearth
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You don't even have to do the research, literally multiple people with years of experience have been giving you parts lists that are properly configured

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Nothing about them really needs to be changed

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Maybe you'll want to get more storage, but other than that, everything is fine about the parts list

obsidian wigeon
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you ask, we try to deliver as best as possible

tawny violet
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oh man that's almost a better rig than I worked for during last summer lmao

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Kid's gonna having a great time on it

severe hull
tawny violet
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I'm rocking a 7600X and a Powercolor Hellhound 6700 XT

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So you can get good experiences
Just generally stay away from prebuilts if you have the know-how/patience to build your own

lyric thistle
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i5-12600K + RX 7600

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Built for like mid 800-900 USD

tawny violet
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Sadly I overspent (due to being stuck in Eastern Europe with high taxes and markups), but I was still just over 1200 USD with monitor and peripherals

severe hull
stable cove
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Well I’m gonna get The build Felix shared with the dual air cooler I’ve been saving the link and hopefully it’ll be ready to go

tawny violet
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Yeah honestly air coolers became really impressive lately

stable cove
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So if I’m gonna be using an air cooler with AMD ryzen 7 7800x3d then what pc temperature should I expect?

obsidian wigeon
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You don't need that dual air cooler thing

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Just a normal air cooler from thermalright is already perfect

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You can expect similar results as 240mm aios

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So around 70-80c at full load

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These temps might look daunting, but it's how the cpu works

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The IHS is so thick it's a cooling bottleneck

stable cove
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Says the only advantage aios have towards air cooling is curb optimizer and I have no idea what that is but he said that was a waste of time

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The general differences overall though turn out to be all less than 1%

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What is curb optimizing even used for?

tawny violet
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SUPER HARDCORE tune the 7800X3D with OC tools then you can technically get like
A percent or two of extra performance with an AIO

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But it wouldn't change squat basically

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other than decrease efficiency and increase power draw

stable cove
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That’s a complete waste of time. More power and less efficiency?

tawny violet
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Curve Optimizer is AMD's tuning tool to allow the CPU to achieve either higher clocks at a given power draw or lower power draw at a given frequency

stable cove
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Yeah don’t think there’s point in that

tawny violet
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it basically shifts the amount of voltage the CPU gets for a given clock speed

tawny violet
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But something like a non-X3D chip can achieve lower power draws (Sometimes dramatically lower) if you use it

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But for 7800X3D just don't bother

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something like my 7600X can lower power draw by something like 50 watts (from 130 to 80) for losing almost no perf if you have a good chip and know what you're doing with curve optimizer

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Sadly I don't know what I'm doing with it and/or my chip is weaker so meh

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@stable cove Quite frankly if you wanted you could get away with just using a box cooler like a Wraith Prism with the 7800X3D and be perfectly fine

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if you already have one, you might as well just use that because it will be enough

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but a single-tower air cooler just looks nicer and gets more airflow

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it's counter-intuitive because it is THE best CPU for gaming currently bar none

But it doesn't need much cooling

limber oyster
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Heading to microcenter to see what they have on stock

stable cove
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Any disadvantages with the dual air cooler?

tawny violet
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Literally none lmao

#

That dual tower air cooler is overkill for a 7800X3D but hey

You can use that cooler for many years to come

#

just make sure it fits your case

stable cove
#

It’s an ATX case and ATX motherboard so hopefully it will

#

That’s the second largest size on the market

tawny violet
#

That's like the standard size

#

What cooler did you end up picking?

#

and what case do you have?

#

Just to double/triple-check if the cooler will fit in the case

#

I believe Felix made the list for you?
If so it should be perfectly fine because Felix knows his stuff but checking again can't hurt

stable cove
tawny violet
#

P400A meta pick

#

The guy really knows his stuff

tawny violet
#

it's slightly faster for way less money

#

it's coming out in like 2 weeks iirc

obsidian wigeon
#

I got off for a bit

tawny violet
#

But everything else is pretty optimized for value

obsidian wigeon
#

So, CO, or Curve Optimizer isn't overclocking in a direct sense

#

It does overclock the cpu for more performance, but if well tuned

#

You could get efficiency while gaining perf

#

It's not important, but something available to fiddle around with

#

Running stock is completely acceptable and normal

stable cove
#

Overclocking with an air cooler might not be the best idea. Doesn’t that use more power and make your pc hotter?

tawny violet
#

But like it's a 7800X3D

Why would you bother with CO?

tawny violet
obsidian wigeon
#

You can overclock with CO, but you don't need to

tawny violet
#

the 3D VCache is very sensitive, so AMD locked that chip down to avoid someone accidentally frying it into oblivion

stable cove
#

Well then no need to try that

obsidian wigeon
#

The performance gains are so slight

#

It only matters for benchmark scores

tawny violet
#

Oh you can OC the 7800X3D after all?

obsidian wigeon
#

yeah

stable cove
#

But benefits are so little

tawny violet
#

Well alright fair but

Why bother?

#

It's already so optimized for gaming it's not even funny

obsidian wigeon
#

It exists because well, it's just like how ocing is

#

It seems pointless, but it exists nonetheless

tawny violet
#

I was under the belief that the chip itself was locked down to avoid accidental fryage

obsidian wigeon
#

It's a very optional thing

tawny violet
#

but hey AMD isn't doing an nGreedAI where they lock every control down so nobody can OC their cards anymore

obsidian wigeon
#

By default these features aren't enabled

stable cove
#

Ok so whenever my pc begins thermal throttling what should I expect to happen during vr gameplay?

#

Because people said that would happen no matter what

obsidian wigeon
#

It would never happen with adequate cooling

tawny violet
#

it will not thermal throttle lmao

obsidian wigeon
#

Felix surely knows a thing or two about pc cooling

tawny violet
#

Yeah Felix made a baller list

#

it is about as optimized for value as it gets

obsidian wigeon
#

Felix's lists are pretty good, it covers all aspects of gaming

stable cove
#

Well I was the one doing a bad job at picking pc parts myself so it’s probably best I have the experts list builds for me until I’m capable of doing that on my own

#

Slightly higher than $2000 I think is an excellent price for pc with second best gpu on the market

obsidian wigeon
#

Nah, you can easily push below 2k for that cash

stable cove
#

Imagine I was about to spend far more than that

obsidian wigeon
#

2k is with lots of ssd storage

tawny violet
#

And a non-Super 4080

stable cove
#

I know dual air cooler might sound overkill but for long playtime session it might not hurt. Plus it’s still an air cooler so there’s no risk of water leaking or points of failure

tawny violet
#

that'll slash 200 bucks off

stable cove
#

Except maybe a fan stops working

tawny violet
#

Fans are dime a dozen

#

if it stops working you just replace it

#

But yes please I implore you to get a 4080 Super, not a normal 4080

#

You'll save 200 bucks at least and get slightly more perf

#

otherwise it's perfect

stable cove
#

It would be such a cheap price for an amazing computer

#

They charge far past $2000 for other stuff out there

obsidian wigeon
#

This isn't as optimized as Felix's

#

But you can easily get xtx into below 2k easily

tawny violet
#

XTX vs 4080 Super is gonna be tight

obsidian wigeon
#

don't see supers rn on pcpp

tawny violet
#

tis not out yet iirc

#

though

#

if you really wanted to minmax

#

4070 Ti Super is just about 5% slower for ~15% less money

obsidian wigeon
#

Also, long sessions of gaming or heavy load doesn't change the cooling characteristics

tawny violet
#

while still being plenty fast for 1440p

obsidian wigeon
#

There's a steady state

stable cove
#

I’m probably gonna have three intake fans on the front and one exhaust in the back which I’ll probably have my air cooler blowing towards

tawny violet
#

No need

#

just have the cooler blowing towards the back

#

airflow will naturally go that way so the intake fans help the cooler

obsidian wigeon
#

the list is made out of my personal opinions btw, i can easily modify it to people's liking

#

like itx, etc

stable cove
#

Sides that thermalright phantom is only $35

obsidian wigeon
#

Worth every penny that one

stable cove
#

It’s a heck of a price for dual air cooling

tawny violet
#

That is a steal

stable cove
#

Am I gonna even need an exhaust fan if the dual air coolers gonna be right next to the hole in the back of the case blowing air out?

#

I’m even more surprised Felix made that 4090 build for only $2500

obsidian wigeon
#

I did manage 4090 for about 2.6k, again I don't have as deep knowledge as Felix lel

#

Well an exhaust fan is usually included in cases already

#

Might as well keep that

tawny violet
stable cove
#

I might put that exhaust fan on the case anyway

obsidian wigeon
#

Included in the way that they're installed

#

And usually front intake fans too

#

Like fractal pop for example

#

Intake and exhaust fans already installed

#

Adding more wouldn't improve anything

tawny violet
#

P400A is what Felix used

obsidian wigeon
#

That also has all the fans you'd need I think

tawny violet
#

3 pin and generally not long-lasting

stable cove
#

If I have to buy anymore fans I will but it’s obviously I’ll need 4 at least

tawny violet
#

it's almost a meme in some circles that people have buckets of crappy Fractal fans

tawny violet
#

having the front filled up and one in the back is generally enough for most nicer cases

#

if the front takes 2, then those 2 and one in the back is usually enough

#

I'd personally recommend the P400A over the Fractal

#

but either would work fine

stable cove
#

Aren’t there supposed to be three fans on the front of the case though?

tawny violet
#

not with the Pop

#

Pop Mini is a smaller case

obsidian wigeon
#

P400A doesn't require any extras too

tawny violet
#

Yeah P400A is already filled with plenty of fans

#

from the factory

stable cove
#

Are their fans good?

tawny violet
#

P400A has pretty good fans

obsidian wigeon
#

well there's one missing on the rear, but you could buy c12c fans

tawny violet
#

4pin and ARGB

#

I don't like the Fractal included fans because they're using 3 pin connectors

#

which isn't that big a deal really, it's just annoying

obsidian wigeon
#

fair enough tbh

#

I just like fractal too much lol

tawny violet
#

What does suck is that they're low quality and have a reputation of dying quickly

mossy venture
#

Wait fr? I love the fd pop air line, this sucks

tawny violet
#

it's possible that Fractal improved their included fans, but I'd personally avoid

obsidian wigeon
#

I mean a pack or two of c12c's solve the problem

tawny violet
#

or just replace the fans with c12c or P12s

obsidian wigeon
#

But that's a nearly $30 extra

#

for two packs

tawny violet
#

IKR?

#

You pretty much have to replace them soon anyway

obsidian wigeon
#

Kinda crazy

tawny violet
#

so might as well just get a case that has good included fans

#

thankfully P400A got good fans

obsidian wigeon
#

My personal bias tells me to pair c12c with the pop series

tawny violet
#

lmao

obsidian wigeon
#

It makes no sense value wise ofc

tawny violet
#

it's a legit idea
Just sucks that you pretty much end up forced to do so

obsidian wigeon
#

That $30 extra is oof

tawny violet
#

Right?

obsidian wigeon
#

It's a whole ssd

#

Or a cooler

tawny violet
#

ye it's not nice

#

so I tend to no longer recommend Fractal cases to others

obsidian wigeon
#

Might as well get the more expensive fractals

tawny violet
#

like the aesthetics are fine, but the fans are a pain

obsidian wigeon
#

Or yeah, other cases altogether

tawny violet
#

that's what irritates me

#

the Pop XL Air has great airflow but the fans die too fast

obsidian wigeon
#

The more expensive as in north and stuff

tawny violet
#

ah fair

#

dunno what fans those use anyway

obsidian wigeon
#

It's interesting the pop and pop mini are priced the same

#

imo they should be different

tawny violet
#

it is what it is

#

but yeah

#

Phanteks P400A is for you @stable cove

#

it's got all the good fans you can need and great airflow

limber oyster
stable cove
#

Those are nice looking fans

#

At least I’ll have money to spare for other stuff

#

Surprised we got one of the second best PCs down to $2000

stable cove
vague oracle
#

They look great but they don’t blow very well

tawny violet
#

so they would be bad in a brothel

#

I am so going to hell for that joke

pseudo pollen
#

Someone bought the CPU I listed yesterday for $125 surprisingly

stable cove
#

This pc Felix built for me is gonna be the first gaming PC I’ve ever built

#

I’ll I’ve had lately was my computer from Dell since 2017 and I just use it for watching tv and sometimes editing but that’s it

#

At least now I’ll have a computer I can do fun stuff with

tawny violet
#

because the 4080 is not great value
4080 Super is coming out in like a week or two for 200 dollars less while being slightly faster

#

or consider the 7900 XTX

manic cloak
#

Then there’s a guy with a z690 tuf gaming ddr5 board for 100$

#

So like, 150$ upgrade to ddr5?

mossy venture
#

Could prolly sell your ram and board for that, or close to

mossy venture
stable cove
#

Yeah?

mossy venture
#

4080 at $950, open box tho

#

2 year warranty so i wouldn't really care about it being open box

rain carbon
#

Open box warranties are hella hit and miss since broken parts being blamed on the customer even if it came like that isnt exactly something that doesnt happen

#

Newegg has done this themselves, although im unsure if its as big of an issue it was anymore since im out of the loop on that stuff

#

Just be careful really 😭

tawny violet
#

Yep

#

Flat timings = avoid

manic cloak
tawny violet
#

It's quite simply
Really bad

manic cloak
#

A

#

Ah

tawny violet
#

hot, unstable, can't tune it which is big perf loss

#

Just get a Hynix kit

manic cloak
#

Alright

#

And Hynix is usually 32 n below for most kits

tawny violet
#

99% of the time Hynix kits have different timings after the first number

#

Timings like 30-38-38-96 means it's a Hynix kit (because it's not the same timing number)
Timings like 36-36-36-76 is Samsung (the three 36 is what we mean by flat timing)

#

You want Hynix kits unless the Samsung kit is like for peanuts

#

I don't think that kit is cheaper by enough to reduce tunability

mossy venture
fossil cedar
tawny violet
#

so like

#

it's pretty much crap

#

I am not entirely sure who said it

fossil cedar
#

That'd be g skill only most likely they're heatspreaders suck

tawny violet
#

But I remember someone talking about it

fossil cedar
#

Even still as long as it's stable at xmp it doesn't matter

tawny violet
#

so that checks out

limber oyster
#

I hate this case

65fb9042-908e-4f2d-bc25-b8938b7368ae.jpg
#

GOD DANG IT! unifans don't fit

mossy venture
tawny violet
stable cove
#

So what fans for the Phanteks P400a case should I buy if I need anymore fans? Because we all confirmed I’d need 4

#

Unless I can get two big fans in the front but I doubt it due to the cases design

mossy venture
stable cove
#

Thanks

limber oyster
#

Almost done with my itx

#

Replaced case fans, now going custom length cables

stable cove
#

Itd be kinda nice if they could make coolers with liquid colder than just water or liquid nitrogen but the heat of the cpu likely would overpower it

#

Betcha some cpus even could overpower a custom loop

covert vapor
#

Water isn't used because it is 'cold', it is used because it can absorb a fair amount of heat and be transferred easily within a loop to be cooled at the radiator

crimson zinc
#

Is a 2TB nvme ssd enough for a bulky gaming rig?

#

Or should I spring for a third TB

cyan ravine
#

@tawny violet big claps for noticing the ddr5

tawny violet
#

Wuh

#

What?

tawny violet
cyan ravine
tawny violet
#

Oh that

#

Well
I remembered that the Ripsaws S5 is basically guaranteed Samsung and it came up so I thought I'd share

cyan ravine
#

CL36 is usually mystery meat yes

cyan ravine
mossy venture
#

If you need more down the road easy enough to add more

cyan ravine
#

imo the performance from sammies is almost worth $50 new lmao

mossy venture
cyan ravine
#

compared to like, cl46 t-creates which I would get instead

mossy venture
#

Hm fair

cyan ravine
mossy venture
#

$25 more new

cyan ravine
#

pretty much ye

#

micro center bundles always turn me off cos you know exactly which ram you're getting

#

which you can just sell sure

#

but to me it's always a caveat

tawny violet
#

Sometimes I say stupid stuff but I'm trying to get better

cyan ravine
tawny violet
#

Obv I'll never get to the level of optimized rig creation as you do

#

But hey I'm learning as I go along

mossy venture
#

Thankfully we have felix and others to correct us when we're wrong

tawny violet
#

Tru
But you're a techie lmao

#

You actually know stuff unlike my stupid butt :3

cyan ravine
mossy venture
tawny violet
#

Yeah Felix is gud

mossy venture
#

Until like 4 years ago I knew absolutely f all about pcs lmao

#

I didn't even know what a gpu was

tawny violet
#

Pretty sure he taught me the Samsung die trick lmao

tawny violet
crimson zinc
#

be quiet! Pure Base 500 FX ATX Midi Tower PC case
Is there any of these in white or is it just the 800 series

#

Looking for similar cases with lighting around the entire pc for that space age build, going to make them all go blue

#

DX is not the style I’m going for with just one line, before that’s quoted

stable cove
#

So why do you gotta feel bad?

potent portal
#

The best way to learn is to ask questions and critically think about the responses

#

That's why I'm always happy to answer even the questions people might think are stupid or obvious

#

Personally I've learned a lot about overclocking from some of the other members here. I was a total novice playing with sliders in afterburner at first. Now I'd be fairly comfortable using liquid nitrogen.

stable cove
#

Yeah something really cold like liquid nitrogen would be a lot more effective on PCs than water if we could just have it done safely

#

But I think liquid nitrogen freezes stuff

#

If I’m wrong my apologies

#

So after we set up our PCs are we able to program a sleep mode on it or install software so that when you’re idle on a pc it goes in a setting where it goes on a low power setting so that when you’re sleeping it doesn’t generate too much power and heat?

covert vapor
#

Liquid nitrogen at normal temperatures turns back into a gas let alone when heated. There is no way to have it properly done in a traditional AIO period as there is no possible way for a simple radiator with fans to cool nitrogen enough that it reverts to a liquid

stable cove
#

I intend to do wild stuff like sleep inside vr and I wanna keep pc temperature under control so nothing overheats to wears out quickly

cyan ravine
plucky timber
#

How do you sleep with light constantly being blasted into your eyes

stable cove
#

Yeah dual air cooler

#

Plus that youtube video provided solid evidence between water and air cooling so I believe you guys now

#

Just wouldn’t hurt to have super efficient air cooling is all

plucky timber
#

lol

#

"believe you guys now"

stable cove
#

It’s so surprising that the difference is less than 1%

#

Now that I think about it maybe AIOs aren’t that great for airflow compared to air coolers

plucky timber
#

Uh

#

It depends on the case and how you mount the aio

stable cove
#

But don’t worry I’m not doing that now

plucky timber
#

You can also undervolt

#

If you're really worried about temps

stable cove
#

I’ll look into that. Might be a way to control heat

plucky timber
#

It is

#

But it also depends on the cpu itself

#

If you get lucky you can crank the voltage down quite a bit

stable cove
#

After visiting Amazon and Newegg and calculating tax and shipping fees the total of my pc build after all that will be $2,275.95

pseudo pollen
#

quite expensive

crimson zinc
pseudo pollen
leaden mauve
#

chicken nugget keychain

stable cove
#

To think I was about to spend $4000-$5000 on a pc without knowing how to properly match parts.

#

At least Felix helped me get that down to $2000 for rtx 4080 super one of the best PCs on the market

#

So since felix gave me a build and I have been holding onto the link for the list I think it’s time for me to start buying all the parts soon because it’s near the end of the month and I wanna start putting things together

potent portal
#

You can get everything but the 4080 super today, but you can still start building and even get windows installed without it

crimson zinc
#

I want it instead

mossy venture
#

Also check out g500a

crimson zinc
#

Such a hard decision for a case that looked futuristic and functional

storm arrow
#

Sooo got a 4090 question

cyan ravine
#

What's the question

storm arrow
#

What's the difference between the suprim liquid x and the others as far as performance

#

My buddy told me to get the gigabyte aorus master but I seen that the liquid one was much cheaper

cyan ravine
#

I wouldn't get gigabyte rn

#

Their designs are ok, but they add a notch to the pcb

#

And this notch

#

Kills the entire card if you aren't careful

#

Gpu sag is a big problem for 30 and 40 series, and gigabyte compromises the sag and leads to pcb cracking

#

You can google it if curious

storm arrow
#

He has a bracket

cyan ravine
#

But that's if prices were normal

#

Rn I would continue to wait while 4090 prices stabilise

#

Or go XTX/4080super

storm arrow
#

Yeah im seeing 1750

cyan ravine
#

1750 for a suprim would be decent

#

Nothing more

#

Ideally you'd get founders

#

Arguably near the best pcb for the lowest price

#

But suprim does bin the cards, so there is a slight benefit provided you overclock with it

storm arrow
#

Yeah 2100

cyan ravine
#

The benefit isn't worth more than maybe 100$ tho imo

#

So other cards like strix, HOF, Matrix, aorus xtreme etc, nope, wouldn't

#

Wouldn't buy them

storm arrow
#

It's literally the last piece of the puzzle and I'm tired of waiting you helped me build an expensive pc (my choice) and I'm tired of looking at it lol

cyan ravine
#

You can make a 4090 some 5-10% better with a decent overclock, and the suprim is one of the only ones that guarantee that, and it sort of falls on that premium in it's price when you pay it, others are just too much more

cyan ravine
storm arrow
#

I haven't bought the gpu yet

cyan ravine
#

Ah

#

4080 super would be better imo

#

It drops in like 3 days

#

$999

#

And will be between 4080 and 4090

storm arrow
#

And the 5 series drops next year?

cyan ravine
#

Ye

#

4080S will be somewhere about

#

20%?

#

Less than a 4090

#

For almost half the price

#

It's the same suggestion I comment when I say 7900XTX is decent

#

The premium tier is just a hard pass

storm arrow
#

Right and it's a 16gb card?

cyan ravine
#

Esp. when they're all 2k+

#

Ye it is

#

But 16gb is more than enough

#

If you want 24gb, go xtx or used 3090

#

Imo

storm arrow
#

Right I remember my first gpu was 4gb and I was super pumped back then lol

cyan ravine
#

Lol

storm arrow
#

Okay I'll bite on the 4080s on the 31st huh

#

Founders edition?

cyan ravine
#

I would ye

#

If you can

#

FE usually has a great pcb

#

And it has the best form* factor for case fitment

storm arrow
#

I should fit in a corsair 5000 case ide assume

cyan ravine
#

Ye

#

A lot of cards would

#

Aim for FE but stay cheap

#

999 is ideal

crimson zinc
#

I think I might actually switch to the phanteks P500A as my main case

#

I’m literally not seeing anything bad with it on any review

potent portal
#

It's a nice case, go for it if you like it

crimson zinc
#

I’ve never seen that kind of lighting before, can anyone identify what ram that is?

IMG_0711.png
#

Gskill something.

manic cloak
#

@obsidian wigeon @mossy venture I think I was talking to you guys about my cashback from microsoft tuesday along time ago

#

You believe this bull

#

"Transaction Referred by Another Affiliate"

obsidian wigeon
#

bruh

#

wtf

manic cloak
#

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

#

FAQ DOESNT SAY JACK

obsidian wigeon
#

microsoft really scamming people

manic cloak
#

2 months for what too..

#

I'm going to GamersNexus

#

BOYCOTT MICROSOFT

#

RAHHHH

obsidian wigeon
#

this is stupid

#

you obviously didn't use any other referrers

manic cloak
#

What does it even mean

obsidian wigeon
#

idk

manic cloak
#

Cause I used nothing but Microsoft Edge and bing

obsidian wigeon
#

they're trying to blame you

manic cloak
#

Like look at this stupid thing

#

"purchases made with some coupons, shipping, taxes, gift wrapping, returns, cancellations, and extended warranties are ineligible for cash back."

#

Mb, let me LIVE IN DELAWARE.

#

How would I even try to manage contacting big influencers like Nexus or Linus

potent portal
obsidian wigeon
manic cloak
obsidian wigeon
#

hm

#

there's another email for anything else tho

manic cloak
#

Is there?

#

I have this for LTT

crimson zinc
obsidian wigeon
#

from gn that is

manic cloak
#

Oh

#

Ik LTT has a community forum

#

but who knows how flooded that is

obsidian wigeon
#

you can contact gn instead

manic cloak
#

cause that mentions their "order inquiries, return authorizations, product technical support (e.g. for Modmats), and general product information."

potent portal
#

I think that goes to their store support

manic cloak
#

Okok thanks.

manic cloak
#

gg

#

I just sent like a 4 paragraph email with 12 images

cursive wharf
manic cloak
#

They have a community that can somewhat impact Microsoft.

#

Plus if I really do need a rep, the NeweggService person is here.

#

They aren't as known likely as other reps, but they still report to Newegg and they likely have connections.

#

I've talked to them through the past 2 months off and on, just to find out Microsoft Support is like the unorganized Confederates back in 1860's.

cursive wharf
#

The only other way they can help is as you said, using the community. However that requires an investigation and video. Not a common thing techtubers will take on for the trillions of emails they get per nanosecond.

manic cloak
#

I guess ya, but who knows.

#

Somebody has to check them.

#

Maybe or maybe not.

#

I think it'd be a great video though for whoever responds although i've only emailed GN about it.

#

Who knows if they do a collab with LTT to go against Microsoft, or if they just do it by themselves.

#

So many possibilites can happen, even nothing sadly 😭

cursive wharf
#

Is there any large post on LTT forums? Like if you make a post there that links to all the other forum posts (I imagine there are a fair few small threads about this on LTT forums) and explaining as much as you can, could make it into WAN show at least.

obsidian wigeon
#

It's a small but rising issue

#

People have brought it up on reddit before I think

cursive wharf
#

Basically you want smth that links to a bunch of other threads. Trying to create the megathread basically.

#

I know LTT team looks at their forums for news stuff

#

But also email LTT about it too, may want to create or find a megathread first.

manic cloak
#

Step 1. Find LTT's email

#

Which forum in LTT would I post in exactly..

stable cove
#

What will happen is my fans spin too fast?

lyric thistle
#

You explode!!!!!!

#

The end

obsidian wigeon
#

the only time you can overspin a fan is through manual force

#

like blowing pressurized air on it

stable cove
#

I was thinking it’d likely break the fan

dusky hearth
#

or if you use a dc power supply like this

stable cove
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Definitely gonna need those fans going the right speed though because the same air can’t stay in the pc too long because the cpu probably will heat up that air

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But my case probably has a ton of holes for it to escape anyway

dusky hearth
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you arent wrong but you're also worrying about the wrong things lmao

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as long as you arent using a case like the h510, you should be fine

dusky hearth
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unless you use a DC power supply like i have here, and overvolt the fan, the fan wont be able to go faster than its max rated speed

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the fan speed rating is the maximum speed the fan is able to get to at the rated voltage and current of the fan

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basically all pc fans are 12v

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in fact, dc fan speeds are regulated via voltage

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100% fan speed with dc fans is 12v

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(for pcs)

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and 0% is 0v

potent portal
dusky hearth
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true, but technically the curve can go to 0v

lyric thistle
dusky hearth
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i remember eric, he was a good man

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frfr

stable cove
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How did they explode?

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I have a feeling the 4080 super is gonna be the same as the original one. The 6% performance boost might hardly be noticeable

muted egret
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damn that's wild

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a refresh being the same as the original one

mossy venture
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And I think felix mentioned 31st as release day but I'm not sure

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I thought it was the 26th

lone flame
tawny violet
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The 4080 Super is basically just a 4080 at the price it should've been from the start (more or less)

mossy venture
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If its 10% better I'd be happy

manic cloak
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Doesn’t FMS or whatever it’s called work with all graphic cards including nivida?

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DLSS + FMS 👀

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I don’t think that’s possible though

crimson zinc
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@limber oyster shiny

open jungle
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how much trouble for torrent

potent portal
tawny violet
open jungle
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whats iirc

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oh nvm

potent portal
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Torrenting itself doesn't mean piracy, I get some of my linux distros from torrents, and a lot of stuff from the internet archive.

tawny violet
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Well it's not in the rules outright
But if it's connected to piracy it's a boot

open jungle
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i was just curious, i hear people talking about and wondered how bad it actually is

tawny violet
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Peer to peer file sharing can be great if it's used for good, but a lot of people don't do that

potent portal
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It's one tool used for piracy yes, but do we ban bolt cutters because they can be used to break locks illegally?

tawny violet
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Even Microsoft uses P2P sharing for Windows updates lmao

jagged ember
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Ban lock picks

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They also break locks

potent portal
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The way the law usually works is something is legal as long as there's at least one legitimate use for it

jagged ember
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True

dusky hearth
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ban table saws they can cut people

rough totem
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Ban microwaves, I didn't know I wasn't supposed to use them to dry off my cat

crimson zinc
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In Pennsylvania, you can receive a large fine for “planking” on top of a fridge outside

stable cove
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Do we need to buy thermal paste or does one of the parts come with it?

crimson zinc
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Always get a spare

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That’s my advice

mossy venture
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If you want aftermarket paste, mx-6

crimson zinc
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It’s cheap and very effective

mossy venture
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Yeah but doesn't really make much of a difference especially on am5

stable cove
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This? https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-MX-6-Conductivity-Non-Conductive-Non-capacitive/dp/B09VDLH5M6/ref=asc_df_B09VDLH5M6/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=632999243731&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11890218874474681836&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009438&hvtargid=pla-1890996139351&psc=1&mcid=135e7aaea6623880af468536c0393bf1&gclid=CjwKCAiA8NKtBhBtEiwAq5aX2IpiQZU5BDVHWY3tHc_Apo1tyqcrdvr3Gzp7MWspoOadJxd-ItVEnhoCFDMQAvD_BwE

ARCTIC MX-6 (8 g) - Ultimate Performance Thermal Paste for CPU, Con...

ARCTIC, a leading manufacturer of low-noise PC coolers and components, initiated and continues to shape the trend towards quiet cooling systems. In addition to an extensive range of CPU coolers and fans, ARCTIC produces high-quality monitor arms, wall mounts, thermal paste as well as thermal pads...

crimson zinc
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Still nice to have some spare paste
I have met with the fate of not having any for over a week while some came

crimson zinc
stable cove
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I might try to spread thermal paste with a tiny knife or something just to ensure I get the right amount all over the cpu without making a mess

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I think the paste was supposed to cover the whole thing

crimson zinc
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Paste usually comes in a tube, and gets spread via pressing the cooler on it

stable cove
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Gonna be nice to buy this soon rtx 4080 pc should be second to best. Stands right next to 4090 and I’m only paying about $2000 for that

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Imagine I could’ve spent way more like $4000-$5000 if I never came in this server

mossy venture
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Or a plus and between the lines

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If you really want to spread it you can get a spatula or I think some of the arctic options come with one

potent portal
stable cove
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I found a spatula on Amazon already so this will be a piece of cake

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Specifically for spreading thermal paste

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Not a cooking one lol

potent portal
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The MX-6 comes with a spatula

crimson zinc
potent portal
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How do you even build a 7k pc? I've never made a list that was over 5k

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And that was when 3090s were 3,000

crimson zinc
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I was very inexperienced with computers when I started

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They also aren’t very helpful at all in pcmr

potent portal
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So I've heard

crimson zinc
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I did a lot of talking in dms back then

potent portal
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Maybe a second 4090 for the nonexistent SLI would do it

crimson zinc
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Something similar to this

potent portal
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$212 shipping on the case pepehmmm

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Oh there's peripherals added on too, yeah with an oled and nice keyboard I can see it hitting 7k

crimson zinc
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But that water cooler? No thanks

potent portal
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It's PCMR approved so it has to be Corsair

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I kinda want to post it and see what ridiculous things they say

mossy venture