building-and-recc-chat

[mossy venture]

There's also a good few dism commands but I don't know them off the top of my head

Chkdsk can't hurt either

[rough totem]

Thanks for your help with my rebuild, Bacca. I'm deciding what and if to return

Didn't you recommend 48gb ram instead of 64?

[mossy venture]

Eh, you got your kit for $210 right? It's not inherently bad, if you're happy with it just keep it

[rough totem]

Yeahm 210

I suppose that's why you left RAM off your PCPP recommendation

[mossy venture]

Yeah its a good kit, 6400cl32 is good

You likely won't suffer having more ram, it just likely won't benefit you

You could return it and save around $40 for the same experience, so it's up to you

If you dont want to deal with returning another part, the ram is a good kit

If you want to save the $40, then I'll link a kit rq

[rough totem]

I'm curious

[mossy venture]

Here $150 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RV4Zxr/gskill-ripjaws-s5-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f24gx2-rs5k

[mossy venture]

What about?

[rough totem]

Before this build I thought I didn't care about RGB lighting and glass case panes. Now I can't go back

[mossy venture]

Ah alright, one sec

I forgot did we do an aio or a heatsink for your build?

[rough totem]

AIO

[mossy venture]

Alr is it rgb? If not I can link some for that too

Here for rgb https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YVfxFT/gskill-trident-z5-neo-rgb-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f24gx2-tz5nrw

[rough totem]

Ah, yes, that's good

[mossy venture]

Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WmCZxr/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f24gx2-tz5rk

[rough totem]

I don't think I'd want to return it unless I was getting more speed.

[mossy venture]

Technichally the ram will overclock better

48gb kits are best for tuning

But it's not worth it for higher speeds beyond 6400c32 typically

[crimson zinc]

@mossy venture request for you.
I am building a friend a desk tomorrow and he would like a pc to replace his Xbox.
He’s not the richest, but he can pull together at least $900 for a pc.

Would you be able to make him a build that includes enough power to play destiny 2 with me at max graphical settings?

[mossy venture]

Yep, does he have a monitor?

And keyboard/mouse?

[crimson zinc]

Nope. Just an Xbox and a desk rn.

[obsidian wigeon]

900 with periphs possible

i would say cheap dell keeb is fine enough

[mossy venture]

Alright few min

[obsidian wigeon]

focus on the mouse

[crimson zinc]

He doesn’t have a large desk. So doesn’t need a big monitor @mossy venture
But he would like at least 144hz

*if possible

[mossy venture]

Does he need all those included in $900?

Forgot to ask that

[crimson zinc]

Yes.

[mossy venture]

Kk

[crimson zinc]

I can probably help out with like $100 so you can bump it to $1000

[mossy venture]

No microcenter right?

[crimson zinc]

Nope. He lives down the street from me unfortunately

[mossy venture]

Alright for monitor ima give a few options

https://www.ebay.com/itm/256347779650?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=IZv0H-iASTG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265634364130?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=iY65Itt7TfC&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H34Zxr/asus-tuf-gaming-vg249q1r-238-1920-x-1080-165-hz-monitor-90lm05v1-b01eb0

[crimson zinc]

He has picked this one

[mossy venture]

Is there any way yall could go used on gpu?

Actually lemme check open box first

Or what about tiktok shop for the cpu? Can get 5600 for I think $110

Cpu not gpu btw

[crimson zinc]

I’ll cover the cpu

(The 5600 on tiktok)

[mossy venture]

Alr sounds good

This is an option for gpu, not the best priced but not bad https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-gv-n307tgaming-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932443R?Item=N82E16814932443R&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-932-443R-_-01212024

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YMN4GP

I'm unsure on the keyboard choice

[mossy venture]

Btw this is also well priced on tiktok rn, if he'd buy it.

[crimson zinc]

Sweet. I’ll let him know and get him on the way to join us

[mossy venture]

It's def possible to get a better priced gpu btw, that's just what's available rn I could find

I've seen 4070s as low as $411 open box

[crimson zinc]

Might spring for that then

[mossy venture]

It's just hard to find, but used 6800xt/3080 and similar can be found for 350-400 fairly often

[cerulean snow]

anyone have a good list for vr gaming $1000

[pseudo pollen]

vr is just regular gaming

do you already have a headset?

[cerulean snow]

yeah

[mossy venture]

Do you need anything aside from the pc itself?

[cerulean snow]

no

[mossy venture]

Do you want usb c on the motherboard for vr? Wifi needed, or ethernet? Do you care about aesthetics at all?

[cerulean snow]

yes, wifi, don't care

[mossy venture]

Kk few min

[cerulean snow]

ok

[mossy venture]

1tb sufficient or need 2tb?

[cerulean snow]

1tb is fine

[mossy venture]

Oh also would you prefer it be small? Itx is actually cheaper right now

Not by much but a bit

[cerulean snow]

sure

[mossy venture]

Actually it'd be more, the case I was gonna use is oos

[cerulean snow]

ok

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jgJWPF

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-gv-n307tgaming-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932443R

Thats the first option

I'm gonna see if I can fit 4070 in budget

[cerulean snow]

ok

[mossy venture]

Oh also I forgot fans, I'll include them in this list

[cerulean snow]

ok

[mossy venture]

$23 over, and prices should be coming down soon on 7800xt/406070
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7cq2TY

[cerulean snow]

ok

[mossy venture]

7800xt at $500 gets it under $1000 but I'm fairly sure vr likes 40 series

5600 also might be a bit restricting in vr

[cerulean snow]

ok thanks

[mossy venture]

Oh wait im going to check one more thing, 6800xt open box is $430

[cerulean snow]

ok

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8gtYwg

I'd look into how those four gpus compare in VR

Lemme get the link to the gpu

[cerulean snow]

ok

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx6800xt-pgd-16go/p/N82E16814930049R?Item=N82E16814930049R&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-930-049R-_-01212024

[cerulean snow]

thank you

[rough totem]

Ooh, please elaborate

[mossy venture]

Last I knew back when 30/6000 series was current gen, 30 series did better in vr. I believe 7000 series improved on that, and driver updates may have improved 6000 series vr performance as well

So I'd just do research on how the different gpus compare and what's best value for your use case

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/x4VmP6,2JLFf7/

which one is the better kit of ram unless theyre equally as good n hynix?

also what's the best thermalright AIO?

cause I know frozen notte is very command but i've seen like Frozen Magic, Prism, Elite

Considering I got this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rxzwjH

[mossy venture]

Same thing

[manic cloak]

Ight

[mossy venture]

One sec lemme check pricing rn

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/99XV3C/thermalright-frozen-prism-argb-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-360-black
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZQBzK8/thermalright-aqua-elite-v3-6617-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-aqua-elite-360-black-v3

Prolly one of those

[manic cloak]

They're all the same just different design right

cause I heard one of these have the pump in the tube or something

Also, should I pair this then with a 7600x or a 7500f? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LVVQBL

[mossy venture]

Where could you get a 7500f?

[mossy venture]

And I think aqua elite has better fans but I'm not really sure

[manic cloak]

aliexpress

[mossy venture]

I mean

[potent portal]

If you don't need the igpu get whatever is cheaper. They're the same.

[mossy venture]

It's the same cpu just no igpu

[manic cloak]

is it?

[mossy venture]

If you can get it reliably sure

Yeah

[manic cloak]

I mean

1000+ sold

[mossy venture]

How much is it?

[manic cloak]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805685953966.html?

155.88

[mossy venture]

Nice price

Like $20 more than a 5600 rn

Barely more than a 12400f

[manic cloak]

theres another seller with 400 sold

for like 3$ cheaper

but has like 15k less followers lmao

[mossy venture]

Gpu as a place holder since ik you didn't want it, but gah damn
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yZNHrv

[manic cloak]

I think it even comes with a cpu cooler too

the 7500f

[mossy venture]

Not a recc for you since ik you alr have the ssd, but this performance in this budget is so nice
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RbbQBL

[manic cloak]

same price as my 13600k and 6650xt build back in late 2022.. 😭

[manic cloak]

I mean there's the p41 aswell on tiktok shop

hold on

[mossy venture]

What/who's this build for btw?

Is it a secondary?

[manic cloak]

well it's more like a possible rig

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

[manic cloak]

originally for my cousin but one of my friends actually may need it

[mossy venture]

Why not just upgrade your gpu?

Ahh

[manic cloak]

since he's buying a "racing rig" from a friend for 200$

from what ik

it's a 0 airflow, on the floor rig that hooks to a 34 inch wide curve monitor

[mossy venture]

Oh fun

Any idea on the specs?

[manic cloak]

Nope, considering he was about to buy blind

he didn't even know "specs" mattered

[mossy venture]

Oh fun

[manic cloak]

So i'm figuring out by tomorrow

[mossy venture]

Well there's def a much cheaper route that'd still be a lot better

4500 was like $45 on tt shop? That with a 6600 or similar

[manic cloak]

true

but ik he's not only gonna race on it

not saying those parts would under perform in gaming ofc

but I think he'd want his moneys worth compared to a ps5 tbh

[mossy venture]

Yeah 4500 is a lil lacking but isn't terrible

Fair, especially with 7500f at $155 it's a pretty nice deal

Just gotta find a well priced gpu

[manic cloak]

facebook marketplace in my area is looking a bit too good rn

so

[mossy venture]

Oh nice

Anything 2080/similar + is better than a ps5, so plenty of options

Honestly could prolly do around the $650 mark with a 2080 or similar

[manic cloak]

anyways sn770 1 tb for 60$, mp33 pro 2 tb for 76$, thats the lowest I saw really compared to the average price of 65$ per tb for all the SSD's on tiktok

[mossy venture]

Wb this one?

[manic cloak]

before 20$ discount and tax

[mossy venture]

Oh also does he have a monitor?

[manic cloak]

didn't see this

he does

but he might buy a new one

or use his tv tbh

idk what he plans on using

[mossy venture]

Alr I was looking earlier lemme link the ones I found

[manic cloak]

mhm I saw that earlier

I don't wanna be like buying him a 6800xt tbh

[mossy venture]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176188063181?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=k26cx3c2rsg&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
https://www.newegg.com/black-acer-nitro-vg271u-m3bmiipx-27/p/N82E16824011467

[manic cloak]

cause 1080p is gonna be the best for him

[mossy venture]

3070 ti open box is $350 rn

[manic cloak]

there's one in my area for 300$

but where is that open box at

just in case

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-gv-n307tgaming-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932443R

[manic cloak]

Okay that's good deal n all I believe but two issues

[mossy venture]

It's OK price, not the best

3070 open box was $300 for a decent while and is not much worse

Few % diff

[manic cloak]

That model is known to artifact after awhile, gigabyte we all know has crappy support

[mossy venture]

Damn is it?

[manic cloak]

and the pcie hook that cracks? Ik it isn't a heavy card

[mossy venture]

Good to know ty

Sag brackets are like $10

[manic cloak]

mhm or you find a random toy

like me 😎

but I did alot of reading about artifacting when my 7800xt came in like that

[mossy venture]

I also found this https://www.ebay.com/itm/126095351891?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=adPvFaB-S6q&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[manic cloak]

that eagle version got mentioned ALOT

[mossy venture]

Good to know, thanks

[manic cloak]

i'll see what he wants though

from what ik, I think he's really set on that 200$ rig

[mossy venture]

Aside from that tho, used anything 30 series 3060 ti+ and 6000 series 6700+, and 2080s/ti all great (as you prolly know)

[manic cloak]

who knows if he switches up

[mossy venture]

I mean his money, he can buy and regret it in two weeks

[manic cloak]

mhm, 2080ti isn't the newest but still performs like a 3070

[mossy venture]

Could have him play on yours to see how much worse it is

[manic cloak]

ya

ik he's a big time racer

with grand turismo and etc

[lyric thistle]

They really need to just bring gt to pc

[manic cloak]

he does actual go kart racing

idk what he plays for the pc, all I know it's some racing sim

[potent portal]

Emulators have gotten really good. I've been playing GT3-5 (yes I own the discs) with minimal frame drops.

[manic cloak]

I really love GT5 and 7

it doesn't feel overwhelming and even though you're just driving

it feels amazing to play on the ps

[potent portal]

Which is great because the disc drive in my PS2 stopped reading GT4 because it's getting worn out and won't read dual layer

[manic cloak]

I wonder if I should just invest in a driving wheel rn

then play fortnite racing on it 💀

hmm

[potent portal]

I've got one of those 1TB MP33 drives as my game storage drive

[manic cloak]

it's the Pro version to

too*

nothing faster I think but ill check

[potent portal]

The difference is minor

[manic cloak]

ya it's nothing like jaw dropping

[cyan ravine]

Idk if I'm super keen on that oloy drive

It's QLC

[potent portal]

Ew

[cyan ravine]

i.e it's really 600gb

Lmao

[manic cloak]

gonna be completely honest

it looks like a photo was taken in a partially lit room, then the background was cropped out

It just has a yellowish lighting on it

[potent portal]

I can see where you're coming from

It was probably cropped from the main wegg site

[manic cloak]

probably

i'm gonna throw in that mp33 pro for the build honestly

[cyan ravine]

There's nothing wrong with oloy as a brand tho

Definitely the best ram I've owned

Hands down

[manic cloak]

ya can't go wrong with that

but then again

[cyan ravine]

They get the best bins period

[manic cloak]

it's like saying you can't go wrong with corsair psus

but talk about their ram..

nothing exactly wrong with their ram but it's kinda of a scam tbf

[cyan ravine]

There are things wrong with their ram

[potent portal]

Corsair DDR4 specifically is just... Bad. DDR3 and DDR5 are fine.

[manic cloak]

heard a bit die, then not to mention it's somewhat over the average for price

[cyan ravine]

It's literally the worst bin ddr4 ever

And yes, costs more than average

[manic cloak]

it's ALWAYS too

never seen it unde

[potent portal]

Not just bad bin but bad PCB, so even good bins are hamstrung

[cyan ravine]

There are some truly weird places in like

Africa, northern europe

Uk

Corsair does vie for cheap

But in a stupid way

[manic cloak]

strange

[cyan ravine]

Meanwhile OLOy

Only brand to stock A3 3600 C14 1.4v

[manic cloak]

Oloy and teamgroup are kinda dominating the market

same with silicon

[cyan ravine]

The actual best ddr4 bin

On a renewed pcb as well

[manic cloak]

honestly I wanna upgrade my board to ddr5

[cyan ravine]

I wish I could say this but not really

Hynix is tho

[manic cloak]

but it's like 200-250$

[cyan ravine]

Hynix doing stupid well for ddr5

[potent portal]

Yeah there's no bad hynix rn

[cyan ravine]

Flip ur old stuff

[manic cloak]

I didn't even know hynix and samsung existed in ram 💀

uh

I would

but the mobo is damaged

like 3 pins at best

[cyan ravine]

Lmao

[manic cloak]

hold on i'll show

[potent portal]

32Gb Samsung dies are coming soon too, so we'll be seeing 64GB sticks at high speeds

[manic cloak]

a

[potent portal]

I've fixed worse

[cyan ravine]

For like a year now

[manic cloak]

ive fixed some of them

got the thermal paste out of it too

[potent portal]

At least all your pins are still attached 💀

[manic cloak]

😭

I didn't even damage them either

it was the guy at microcenter

techincally he did all the assembly with my CPU back when I was building it

[potent portal]

[manic cloak]

because I had a 12th gen board with a 13th gen cpu

[cyan ravine]

I'm impressed you have no issues tbh

[manic cloak]

and needed it updated

well

[potent portal]

Ah right I remember that

[manic cloak]

There's like ONE thing I noticed, idk if it's me or normal

whenever I boot up a game like Minecraft

the fan speeds crank up

let me try and recreate it

[potent portal]

That's a temperature spike, it'll be normal

When it's going from idle to 600 fps it'll do that

[manic cloak]

but for minecraft? 😭

[cyan ravine]

Normal

Yes

[manic cloak]

ah

[cyan ravine]

Bruh FM8 uses like 2% cpu on my 13900ks

And it cranks up to like 75C

[potent portal]

Minecraft is going to squeeze every frame out of that CPU

[manic cloak]

hmm

[cyan ravine]

Some games just vampire the power out of the cpu

[manic cloak]

then I guess I got nothing wrong 😭

[cyan ravine]

Me on 220W

It's just intel things

[manic cloak]

I might need to replace my thermal paste though

[cyan ravine]

Some ryzen do it too

[manic cloak]

been about 6 months now

[cyan ravine]

@manic cloak trick

Go download fancontrol

Set it up to the same fan curves

[manic cloak]

I know I did a crappy

[cyan ravine]

Make a long hysteresis

[manic cloak]

job with the paste spread before I put the uh

thermalright frame on

[cyan ravine]

This last bit will mean slow fan ramp

Msi boards have long hysteresis too

[manic cloak]

so what do I put for the fan curves on this?

[potent portal]

On top of that you can set it so it takes longer to respond to changes. Default is usually 0.1 seconds but you can set it to 0.3 or higher

[obsidian wigeon]

i sure do love fan curves that ramp up and down quickly, annoying my ears

[cyan ravine]

I do two graphs

One cpu one gpu

Then I set a mix curve

And bind all the fans to mix curve

That way if the cpu or gpu ramp up, the fans respond appropriately

[potent portal]

Here's mine for reference, I have it linked to hwinfo for GPU stats

[manic cloak]

[cyan ravine]

You will want to measure the peaks of both and account for it

[potent portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/589689072692494356/1173274772029841418/image.png

The auto curves are pretty nice

[potent portal]

Chipset drivers installed? No other programs running that mess with fans? No bios option set to disable OS control?

[manic cloak]

hmm idk what to put exactly

[manic cloak]

I got Armory crate installed..

[potent portal]

That'll do it

[manic cloak]

but from what i've noticed even throuh armory crate

that all my fans for the case are synced into one

[potent portal]

Are they all plugged into a fan controller

[manic cloak]

I wouldn't know honestly

Ik my cpu is plugged into my motherboard

i'd have to pop the back panel off to see but it's 100% that my case fans are connected to some hub

[potent portal]

That would be why then. The hub would control all the fans from a single header.

[manic cloak]

makes sense then

[potent portal]

Assuming they hooked it up right

[manic cloak]

I mean lian li does it right

hopefully

I put alot of trust in these brands 😭

HOLY BIG TIME SCOREEEEEE @mossy venture

somebody get the man from delware in here

[cyan ravine]

Jesus

[obsidian wigeon]

jeez

[potent portal]

Nois

[cyan ravine]

Sacre bleu

[manic cloak]

I think this is the holy grail for a B tier 850 watter though

[obsidian wigeon]

omg

that's even nicer

not a tier but 850w

[potent portal]

Did GF A3 end up B tier? I don't think I checked

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[manic cloak]

ya

[obsidian wigeon]

it's got bumped to b

[potent portal]

Sadge

[manic cloak]

the 750w is 69.99 aswell but at that point, go for the corsair

[potent portal]

RMe being A tier at that price is hard to pass up

[manic cloak]

honestly

it might not be that bad if I just say heck to the barebones build

cause 125$ pro rs if it ever comes back, pair it with that and the cheapest matx that's good

[potent portal]

How much is your tax though? That shows more than a 10% tax with $7 on a $70 item

[manic cloak]

or the g300a

uhh well last time I checked

8.375%

[potent portal]

[manic cloak]

but this is also tiktok..

[potent portal]

I understand if there's a "platform fee" or something but they can't call that a tax

[manic cloak]

I go online and it says my tax is 8.38%

which is basically the 8.375%

let me put an address in my captial

see if it changes

[potent portal]

If my math is right it's calculating a 10.075% tax rate as it is in those pics

[manic cloak]

hmmm that's strange

I put the address as mall of america

that's the county with a lower sales tax than my county rn aka hennepin

hennepin county is where MoA is

but yet, it costs more?

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/foghorn-leghorn-dont-add-up-not-sure-notright-gif-13633606

[manic cloak]

Okay that's even stranger

In the SAME county, different city.

The sales tax is this at my local menards that's out of my city

[potent portal]

Still over 10%

[manic cloak]

this is also over 10%

for MoA

I wonder if I ship it out to some city in delware

would there be a taxc

[potent portal]

There's not much we can do about it but report it as a bug to tiktok and chalk it up as fees being added and them not knowing local taxes.

[manic cloak]

Ah

Pre discounted

[potent portal]

Yeah that's what I'm calculating based off

[manic cloak]

that's how they get ya.. 😭

[potent portal]

A 10% tax on a $70 item is $7

[manic cloak]

Oh well

57$ for an A tier psu though

[potent portal]

Yeah still a great price even with the shenanigans

[manic cloak]

prime b450-m for only 60$

overall crap but

not bad too

that's only like 39$

[mossy venture]

W

[mossy venture]

With 4500 $110 cpu and mobo

[manic cloak]

holy..

the 903 max is CHEAPER than the g300a on tiktok shop

[mossy venture]

16gb ram for $30, 6600 for $200, rosewill case and psu $50, 1tb ssd for $50, $430 pc

^ wait that's actually insane

$430 4500+6600 build

[manic cloak]

well

that 535$ 5500 and 6650xt was better but that's the past

[mossy venture]

Ye true

Going for a used gpu, 2070 super or similar at $150 and can fit 5600 at that price

[manic cloak]

I assume that B650M-P isn't as good as the pro RS though

[mossy venture]

Eh, fine for a 7500f or 7600 but not great

Gaming x ax a620 is decent

[potent portal]

None of the AM5 Ryzen chips are particularly power hungry so vrm design doesn't matter much

[manic cloak]

I mean if I were to build like a 7500f to oc I guess

[mossy venture]

Yeah true, just when going for a better cpu I'd spend the extra $10-20 for a decent bit better board

Btw does the 7500f come with a cooler?

Or is a tray cpu

[manic cloak]

well

I've seen BOTH listings

where it's just images of the cpu you'd see on like newegg

then other listings where it's in the big box with cooler

so I think it does come with one

[mossy venture]

Oh that's even better

[potent portal]

Check reviews because it's easy for them to recycle images from other listings, or just rip them from the Newegg 7600 listing

[mossy venture]

That's like 12600kf on sale at $120 value

[manic cloak]

let me check

[mossy venture]

Yeah 100% verify the seller first, especially on Ali express

[manic cloak]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805696957102.html?

same guy who I linked above

with 1000+ sold

It says it isn't unlocked

so does that mean it's not overclockable?

looks like it's just plastic tray though

[potent portal]

Comes with the cooler according to a review pic

The "premium thermal solution" is how they refer to the stock cooler

[manic cloak]

well

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805685953966.html

referring to this link though

but I mean 7$ more for a cooler?

[potent portal]

Yeah that one's just a tray

[manic cloak]

Tbh though i'd rather spend the extra 15$ for a good single tower

[potent portal]

$7 for a cooler that fits into ITX cases and can totally support that CPU. It's a good deal for someone.

[manic cloak]

True

goes well with that ap201 barebones too

but I don't know if that CPU can overclock

[potent portal]

Yes it can

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-7500f

[manic cloak]

Ah

I'm seeing -6%-14% differences with 7500f | 7600x but it's all game intensive and it's just like a split section too

so honestly, 7500f is kinda worth it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/9HVmP6,FcbRsY,LdHqqs Which mobo to pair with though.. Asus i'd have to pair with barebones the other i'd have to build

[potent portal]

Sounds like flawed testing methods to me because the only difference is 5.0 GHz boost instead of 5.1

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRB6mD or https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gCydgB 47$ difference, and another difference is one is Microcenter barebones exclusive, the other with the Pro RS is available to anybody with tiktok shop.

[manic cloak]

True, then again it was a "test bench" while playing games like farcry, MW2, etc

[potent portal]

MW2 is notoriously bad for benching because it's so inconsistent

[manic cloak]

mhm

then you can't forget the warzone issue

where they'd literally be lazy pieces of crap and have like 137 gb updates only because verdansk or whatever the map was called was added into those mini game mode maps, so you'd have the whole map of warzone inside let's say like cargo but only have access to the designed cargo map

[potent portal]

Oh was that why it was so bad? Makes sense

Lazy, or incompetent? You decide

[mossy venture]

Pro rs better mobo, doesn't have wifi, better psu

[manic cloak]

I saw so many tiktok videos reviewing the map back in 2020-21, multiple videos popped up about that

[mossy venture]

Also $50 more

I'd say microcenter one honestly

[manic cloak]

hmm true but it's only the no wifi one rn cause asrock doesn't even have the one with wifi in stock

[mossy venture]

Wb the a620 one?

[potent portal]

All I saw was "160GB download" and said "pass"

[manic cloak]

most of their stuff is OOS everywhere

uhhh

all they got

[mossy venture]

If I had the three most recent call of duties on top of what I currently have I could fill a 2tb drive with my COD files

I have 400gb in bo3 alone, and I play it once every like 2 months

If I ever need space I'll delete the mods

[potent portal]

They were a meme before, now they're a meme within a meme

[manic cloak]

@mossy venture ya it's like the best time for all these parts BUT the motherboard

tbh the case and psu i'd grab rn

SSD and ram are going back up

Mobos are just never in the right spot

[potent portal]

Speaking of AMD motherboards, 700 chipset isn't coming any time soon according to leaks. It's 600 for now, even through the 8000 launch.

[manic cloak]

oh also I made a pricing issue with those two

it's actually a 27$ difference

forgot the 20$ added to the part list so

[mossy venture]

$20 diff I'd do the tt shop one

[manic cloak]

I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped 700 chipsets early 2025

[mossy venture]

Wait also

[manic cloak]

because that's around the same time intel drops 15th gen

[mossy venture]

How much is the ram, cpu, and mobo?

[manic cloak]

for?

[mossy venture]

7500f b650 pro rs and ddr5

[potent portal]

Don't you mean "Intel core ultra"

[manic cloak]

okay so 162+120+79 after tax and coupon for my area, the 162 is the cpu but not estimated

361$

call it a solid 370$

[manic cloak]

did you mean "Intel Xeon Ultra Core Meteor Raptor Lake Evo"?

[mossy venture]

There are also the 5800x3d and 7700x bundles at microcenter

$350 and $400

Before tax tho

[manic cloak]

that's true

then the 25$ coupon to cover tax

😭

[lyric thistle]

I think Intel needs to go to therapy

[mossy venture]

I'd do the 7700x bundle imo

Great mobo, solid ram, better cpu

5800x3d bundle is 16gb so you'd likely be spending another $30 anyways

And needs a beefier cooler

[potent portal]

Intel needs a lot more than the rebrand they're trying to do at least, that's for sure. Maybe hire some marketing guys that can do more than add/delete letters.

"ultra" is the new "x"

[manic cloak]

They also have the AX II for gigabyte's b650

I think that's a newer and high speed board if i'm correct

AX v2*

[potent portal]

Probably just a different WiFi chip

But I'd have to look to be sure

Which I'm not going to do right now because I need to get to sleep

[manic cloak]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XcqM6D

@mossy venture ripping my hair out rn

another 50$ for a better cpu 😭

[mossy venture]

W

[manic cloak]

well

more like 25$ if you use that coupon

but there's tax

[mossy venture]

True

[manic cloak]

it's more like 32$ too

cause of the cooler

tbf call it a solid 45$

[potent portal]

Not a bad upgrade for that price

[manic cloak]

true

but I think a 7500F is all you'd really need

[potent portal]

Generally yeah

[mossy venture]

2 extra cores, igpu, better single core, not buying off Ali express, better mobo

[manic cloak]

true

and it fits the case 😭

[mossy venture]

Imo it's very worth

[manic cloak]

I mean i'm going for cheapest for best performance

[mossy venture]

Ye fair

[manic cloak]

this goes well if you gotta stick your foot in AMERICAAAA

🦅

[potent portal]

My next CPU needs to have an igpu because I'm sick of multi monitor nvidia issues like high memory clock at idle

[mossy venture]

Yeah I got 13600k at $300 very close to launch, was cheaper than kf at the time

Don't regret it but I wish 7600 had been better value at the time

[manic cloak]

Me in 2022 getting a 13600k and a z690 for only 300$: :)

[mossy venture]

Mobos were still like $180-200 and ram was like $125 for a hynix kit

[manic cloak]

300.01$ actually

[mossy venture]

I got my z690 for $120 and had my rev e from last pc

[manic cloak]

tbh I think this is the monitor he'd want

[mossy venture]

Eh

[manic cloak]

cause it's curved

[mossy venture]

27" 1080p though

[manic cloak]

the racing feeling

[potent portal]

VA tho

[mossy venture]

^

[potent portal]

Curved 27" also doesn't really make sense

[manic cloak]

true

[mossy venture]

A lot of people care about image quality for racing games, id prolly say 1440p IPS

27-32"

[potent portal]

It's easier to see that turn coming without the VA ghosting

[manic cloak]

💀

Ya honestly I have no clue what'll he want

idk why i'm building a pc rn

maybe i'm bored

[lyric thistle]

If you're like me you see that the CPU without one costs like 50 bucks more than the one with lol

[crimson zinc]

me too, me too

[flat anchor]

Is 2080 rtx good or should i get 3080

[mossy venture]

Depends on prices

And rest of the build

If you're buying new, neither

Honestly kinda depends on a lot of things

Do you already own anything or is it a new build, are you buying new or used, budget either for the gpu or for the pc, resolution, country

[flat anchor]

Im new to pc’s and trying to build one

[mossy venture]

Alright, are you in the US? What's your budget for the pc?

[flat anchor]

No, around 800–1000 usd

[mossy venture]

Ok few min

If you're not open to an amd gpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7cq2TY

Oh not in the us

I'm stupid

Prices and availability varies a lot per country so that list won't be valid

What country, if you're fine with sharing?

[flat anchor]

Kuwait

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

What places are available for you to order/buy from?

[flat anchor]

I don’t really know

[mossy venture]

That complicates things lol

[flat anchor]

Sry lol

[mossy venture]

For gpu I'd try for anything from the following
6600<3060<6600xt/2070 super/6650xt<6700/2080<3060ti/2080 super<6700xt<2080 ti/3070/6750xt

In that order

6600 being the worst 3070/6750xt being the best in that list

[tawny violet]

I can vouch for the 6700XT
It's gonna get you playing anything in 1080p at 70+ fps

[mossy venture]

Cpu, 3600, any 10th/11th/12th/13th gen i5 or i7, 12100f, any ryzen 5000 series

Can also do cheaper depending on what's available, but that's all what I'd look for first

[tawny violet]

Just watch out for case compatibility, some office PC cases have issue with the longer 6700XTs

@mossy venture 7600?

[mossy venture]

Ye but 7000/40 series likely not available much

[tawny violet]

It's faster than a 13th gen i5

[mossy venture]

Oh

[tawny violet]

It depends

[mossy venture]

Thought you meant gpu 7600

[tawny violet]

Nah CPU

[mossy venture]

The cpu might be decently priced, but mobo and ram likely won't be

[tawny violet]

7600(X) pretty much equal to 13700 and barely slower than 13700K (afaik, I could be wrong tho)

So it really depends on RAM and mobo prices

[mossy venture]

Eh, it's close enough to call 7600/x/13600k/13700k/14600k/7700/x the same in gaming but there's a bit of a diff

13700k at times is 10% better than 7600 in single core

[tawny violet]

Ye
It's a very close match

All would do really well

[mossy venture]

Ye

But prolly gonna be sticking to 3000/5000/10th/11th gens with pricing in kuwait

[tawny violet]

Yeah it all depends on pricing

Wow 1000 USD limit?

That's gonna make it
Pretty hard to recommend 7000 or 13th/14th gen

5800X3D is probably the best bet there

[mossy venture]

In the us could do 7600/6700xt a couple weeks ago before 6700xt pricing rose

[mossy venture]

Ehh

[tawny violet]

If you only game
It would be for that price

[mossy venture]

Would likely be around $400-500 alone

[tawny violet]

That'd be stupid ngl

[mossy venture]

I mean in the us its $330 as is

7600, mobo and ram is cheaper than 5800x3d mobo and ram

And 5800x3d needs a decent dual tower, which is another $35+

[tawny violet]

Well then yeah depending on GPU prices and so
7600 would be valid probs

Besides you can just plonk a 7800X3D into that rig later and enjoy any future GPU upgrades

[analog hearth]

You mean a CPU with ten less cores than my 13700K is almost pulling ahead?

With a much lower TDP too 😩

[analog hearth]

Or even wait for Ryzen 8000

[tawny violet]

I mean yeah cuz Ryzen 8000 will probably cause Ryzen 7000 prices to drop

[analog hearth]

I was thinking about upgrading to 8000 but yeah that’s also an option

[manic cloak]

Me with a 13600k seeing that the 7600 can beat my single core “cpu of the year”: :(

[analog hearth]

Me crying with my room temperatures coming from an "up to 253W TDP" CPU when I could've gone with some Ryzen CPU that has the same specs but half the TDP

[tawny violet]

it's like

really close and depends on workload honestly

[lone flame]

@cyan ravine ITS HERE

[stable cove]

What type of motherboard should I look for if my cpu is 7800x3d?

[vivid copper]

If you're just gaming practically any B650 board will be sufficient...they are all overbuilt. Find one that has enough IO or the features that you are looking for/find important and pick one. You honestly can't go wrong with any of them.

[stable cove]

Yeah I see plenty of those

Just trying to carefully pick parts and ensure everything will fit together because if they don’t I’ll never be able to put the pc together and I’ll have spent my money for nothing

So does the SSD affect the performance?

[mossy venture]

For the cheap end, a620m pro rs wifi, b650 pro rs, b650 hdv, b650m pro rs wifi

A620m gaming x for the cheap cheap end

B650m-a wifi, aorus elite ax, gaming x ax, are a bit nicer

For gaming ssd isn't too important, sequential write speeds aren't really used

That's not to say I would cheap out and get a sata ssd, but a decent gen 4 drive is plenty

[cyan ravine]

Just about anything with a heatsink around the cpu socket

Go as cheap as chips for 7800x3d, it runs way too efficiently to need an overkill motherboard

Really the case for a lot of zen 4 as well

Same with the cooler. A single tower will be overkill as well, don't need anything more

[cyan ravine]

For like, 98% of games, any sata ssd is basically within blinking time of any other ssd be it high end or not

You'll see more impact out of keeping your windows clean from bloat than you will spending a bunch on a better ssd

[mossy venture]

^^ seconded

[stable cove]

So how about this. I’m gonna try and make my build on pcpart picker, share it with you guys later, and you can tell me if there’s any unfitting parts, stability issues, or anything like that with the build I customize

[mossy venture]

Go for it

Also on amazon warehouse there's some pretty cheap mobos/psus, if you wanna take a look

Mwe gold v2 850 for $73 I think, and some good b650s around $115-130

Also some well priced lga 1700 boards, but if you're gaming am5 a better choice anyways

[restive jay]

anyone have any builds they've made around the $1500-$1800 range?

[mossy venture]

Sure, give me a few

I also have a few questions

Do you need a monitor or just the tower? Amd or nvidia preference for gpu, or don't care. Need wifi, or using ethernet? Do you care about aesthetics?

[restive jay]

i have monitors, just looking to get a better pc since ive had mine for a couple years already

[mossy venture]

What monitor is your main monitor, or what resolution/refresh rate is it?

Oh also are you just gaming or do you do anything else

[restive jay]

ASUS TUF 280hz

[mossy venture]

1080p?

[restive jay]

yeah

mostly gaming

[mossy venture]

I'd recommend a swap to 1440p especially at this budget, unless you play competitively for money

[restive jay]

i dont

i already have two monitors

[mossy venture]

I'll include a monitor suggestion, but I'd either spend less money or going to 1440p 240hz

[restive jay]

second monitor is benq 144hz

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cW6t4M

4070 ti super is also launching on the 26th at either 800 or 900

I believe 800

If you didn't upgrade monitor imo something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9rngpB

1080p is more cpu reliant than gpu reliant, and the gpus that fit in this budget typically are just super overkill

7800x3d is the best gaming cpu, especially at 1080p its a worthwhile investment

[restive jay]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bB3sp2

this is my current build

[mossy venture]

Oh great case

Def keep that

[restive jay]

but ive had problems with it crashing and restarting while playing games

[mossy venture]

That could be a lot of things, but first thoughts are ram, ssd/hdd, and psu

[restive jay]

im leaning more towards psu

[mossy venture]

The psu is good tho, so I'd first check all your connections

[restive jay]

cause i think i ended up getting a 600w instead of the 650

[mossy venture]

Oh wait

Phanteks amp doesn't have a 600w version

Check what model it is, that could very well be the issue if its a bad model

[restive jay]

nevermind, it is the 650

[mossy venture]

Side note, maxing gpu/cpu out if you kept storage and case would look like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gtqzWt

Which is very nice

Or 4070 ti super/4080 super

[restive jay]

yeah planning to keep the case and storage

alright well thanks, ill def keep these in mind

[mossy venture]

Wait one more question

Do you happen to have a microcenter nearby?

[restive jay]

tustin one is about 2 hours away

[mossy venture]

Ah alr nvm then

[restive jay]

planning to go one day

[mossy venture]

Oh you could grab their 7800x3d bundle

[restive jay]

whats it have

[mossy venture]

$500 for cpu, mobo and ram

[restive jay]

oh nice

[mossy venture]

Or maybe 450

One sec lemme check

Yeah $500
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006637/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

[restive jay]

says sold out at tustin

[mossy venture]

Ah rip

What about the 7700x bundle at $400?

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006639/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

[restive jay]

also sold out lmao

[mossy venture]

They might still have the cpu and you could possibly swap out the mobo and or ram in either of them

You'd prolly just have to pay the difference, like if the ram is oos and you get a different kit that's $10 more you'd be paying $410 or $510

Some microcenters allow substitutions others don't, but can't hurt to try it

[restive jay]

still not bad, i also dont mind going intel if they have the bundles for it as well

[mossy venture]

Could call to check w them too

They have some, but they're not really good value

Well, not good value for gaming

$400 12900k+z790+32gb ddr5, but 7600 at $220 is almost as good and uses like a third of the power, and doesn't need a cooler

You could also check if they have the 5600x3d in stock

[restive jay]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006636/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d,-asus-tuf-gaming-b550-plus-wifi-ii-ddr4,-gskill-ripjaws-v-16gb-ddr4-3200-kit,-computer-build-bundle

they have that one

[mossy venture]

If they do you can just keep your mobo and ram, and be fine with up to a 4070 ti/6900xt/7900xt or anything similar

[mossy venture]

Eh, id just keep your mobo and ram and buy a 5800x3d then

Or buy that and sell the mobo/ram

[restive jay]

i see

[mossy venture]

They've got 5600x3d in stock at $230

That's decent

[restive jay]

alright well if i do end up going, ill see if they have them in stock. thanks for the help

[ashen panther]

anyone got anymore suggestions for my micro stutter problem from yesterday? i uninstalled and reinstalled gpu drivers to no avail downloaded and ran process lasso and had it run on physical cores only also to no avail

o and ran memtest64 for about 10 min with no errors

[potent portal]

Have you updated your bios and chipset drivers? What processor and memory? What games are affected?

[quasi hemlock]

Hey, I recently got a new case to fit a new water cooler into my build but after transferring the build to the new case the pc does not function. All of the rgbs, fans, and the water cooler interface turn on and run correctly but there is no video. Anyone have ideas on what I should do?

[stable cove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C2xB4M Can someone check this build I got and see if there’s any incompatible parts or stability issues before I purchase anything? I can go back and change whatever

[quasi hemlock]

I personally do not see anything out of the ordinary but Im not the most knowledgeable, Id wait for another opinion. The only thing I noticed is that the case you selected only fits your water cooler’s radiator (360mm) if it goes in the front, not on the roof (designed for 280mm radiators), but if that is fine I don’t see anything.

[cyan ravine]

I'd do this instead

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LfVvmD

And wait for 4080 super to drop

Less the weird 1600 price tag on that 4080 there, the list I sent is 600 cheaper

Also you don't need to pay for windows (I'm not allowed to say how tho)

[mossy venture]

For rgb ram there's a teamgroup 6000c30 kit around 100 I believe as well

[cyan ravine]

Ye

A620m pro rs wifi also exists, as well as some other interchangeable parts for near this price but with rgb

If that's your thing

e.g
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JnjrWt

Use tiktok shop for rm750e btw

[mossy venture]

I did one a bit more similar to yours and what you seemed to value, but Felix's are better price/perf
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vbcDMV

[cyan ravine]

Why is 3000d now $80

Man

Not interested in Corsair cases again

[quasi hemlock]

Can anyone help with this?

[cyan ravine]

Where did you plug the display cable into the pc

[quasi hemlock]

The gpu

[cyan ravine]

Do the post lights show up or nah

They'll get stuck if something is wrong

[quasi hemlock]

Where would those be?

[cyan ravine]

Could also do this if you need corsair (tho it's a heavy amount of extra for aesthetic)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cJRmWt

[cyan ravine]

The mobo

It will flash up lights when it turns on

Little debug lights

Or a post code on a 7 segment display

[quasi hemlock]

I dont think they are

Let me check where they are for this mobo

Ok, the POST lights are definitely not on

[cyan ravine]

So it cycles through them and they turn off yes?

[quasi hemlock]

No, they dont come on at all

[cyan ravine]

It turns on...though?

[quasi hemlock]

Yep

It did not do this in the past

Ive had this build for 3 years and worked fine until swapping out the cpu and watercooler. I already flashed bios but that changed nothing either.

[cyan ravine]

That would have to be one of three things

1. Bad cpu mount
2. Dead/not fully plugged display cable
3. Not fully seated psu plugs

Leaning more towards 1 & 3 since no debug lights

[quasi hemlock]

Ill check those now. I will also say that I have a usb header splitter cable on the way bc this case has more usb ports than my mobo supports. Idk if not having both usb headers connected would cause trouble booting but figured I would mention it.

[cyan ravine]

Shouldn't

If it did it would turn on and straight off (shorted)

Normally just means not all usb works

[quasi hemlock]

Ok, thats what I figured

Ill come back once Ive checked all of those things, might not be tonight, so Im saying thanks now 👍

[cyan ravine]

Alr

[severe hull]

Is this a good mother board for 6700xt and ryzen 5 5600

[mossy venture]

do you alr have any of the parts?

[severe hull]

Yes

[mossy venture]

it's a bit pricey when buying into a dead platform

few min

[severe hull]

Doing case motherboard and psu

[mossy venture]

ah alr

this is plenty https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

if you want a bit nicer https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YhtLrH/gigabyte-b550m-aorus-elite-ax-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-aorus-elite-ax

if you dont need wifi https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jrbTwP/asrock-b550m-pg-riptide-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pg-riptide

[severe hull]

What's alr

[rough totem]

"alright"

[severe hull]

Man I'm getting old lmao

Bacca in the past you recommended the 750 psu

[mossy venture]

I'd save $20 and just do https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x4hv6h/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-2024-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-p

[severe hull]

With out compromising quality ?

[mossy venture]

It's A tier to B tier, the rme is objectively better

experience wise it'd be the same unless you tried running like a 4090 on it

[severe hull]

Copy thanks

[cyan ravine]

Does the pc already work

@severe hull

Like no problems atm?

[severe hull]

Not really ..haven't installed thr ryzen 5 yet

[cyan ravine]

Ah

[severe hull]

Want a bigger case so figured I'd upgrade the weak links

[cyan ravine]

RM750e is also $57.52 on tiktok shop

[severe hull]

Great price!

[cyan ravine]

Would be the most worth if you can get

If you can also

Return the 5600

And get 7600 and ddr5

[severe hull]

Hmm not for me

[cyan ravine]

With a cheap a620m

[cyan ravine]

@mossy venture

I don't use tt shop so someone else will need to show how

@manic cloak

[mossy venture]

try making new account

[severe hull]

Kk

Why a 7600 with a cheaper mtb?

[cyan ravine]

Just if you can

It would be like

Going 5800x3d except all new stuff

So everything carries over

[cyan ravine]

Quite literally the same perf to 7600

[severe hull]

Don't understand

[cyan ravine]

The performance on all fronts would be the same as 5800x3d

As to ryzen 7600

Quite a bit better than 5600

Plus you'd have ddr5, and am5

So you'd have an upgrade path

For a little more

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BBKt4M

If you can manage this^ while returning the 5600/selling it

[severe hull]

I have the 5600

Not 5800

[cyan ravine]

Yes I know

[severe hull]

Ahh

Not sure if new egg will let me I already opened the box

[cyan ravine]

If you haven't even used it they should

Dm @fresh garden and just explain you bought the wrong one

If 7600 is more appealing on your budget

If not then there's nothing wrong with an $80 mobo for a 5600

[severe hull]

Yea I think for now I'll stay with it

[cyan ravine]

Just you won't really get much further with am4, whereas above you could easily carry over the ram and mobo onwards

[severe hull]

Not overcomplicate it

[cyan ravine]

Alr

[severe hull]

Last thing I need is a case

No icue so good ?

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kthmP6/asus-prime-b450m-a-ii-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b450m-a-ii

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T6YmP6/asus-tuf-gaming-a520m-plus-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-a520m-plus-wifi

What I'd suggest

Case I'd do something way different

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Msytt6/gamemax-m60-microatx-mid-tower-case-m60-black
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pfvdnQ/sama-im01-microatx-mini-tower-case-im01

[severe hull]

Who those mobo over what bacca recommended?

[cyan ravine]

Imo yeah, not worth spending more than the basic price for a legacy platform

Fans maybe these if you need

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vq6p99/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-s-x3-d6

They have non rgb variants as well

[severe hull]

Those cases are too basic

[cyan ravine]

The tuf mobo can handle up to a 5950x so the peak is really at $100 for AM4 rn

[mossy venture]

theres this + the fans felix linked https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6pBzK8/phanteks-eclipse-g300a-1-fan-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ga_dbk01

[cyan ravine]

They're vented with fans so better performance

Yes that case too also works

But it needs extra fans

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/34LFf7/deepcool-cg560-atx-mid-tower-case-r-cg560-bkaae4-g-1

[cyan ravine]

Staying with only 1 leads to poor airflow according to 1st hand accounts

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zL3gXL/fractal-design-focus-2-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-foc2a-04

[cyan ravine]

If you go north of 70 then I'd consider AM5 instead imo

Just the small value change adds up and performance increases become more feasible to stretch to

For a case which performance wise will be not much or really any better for only aesthetics

[severe hull]

I'd swap fans from the case we have now

[cyan ravine]

That would work

[severe hull]

The case now is to tight

[cyan ravine]

Tight?

[severe hull]

It was fine with the 1650

[cyan ravine]

If it fits it fits tbf

Bit basic but I mean a pc is a pc

[severe hull]

If I'm doing motherboard and psu might as well upgrade

[fleet lichen]

soemone is selling a 3090ti for 900 bucks cause they want to sell all their setup parts. they included this benchmark but idk unigine heaven becnhmarks that well. does anyone know if this is decent / good / bad?

FPS: 170.6
Score: 4297
Min FPS: 50.2
Max FPS: 350.6

Render: Direct3D11
Mode: 2560x1431 8xAA windowed
Preset: Custom
Quality: Ultra
Tessellation: Extreme

They claim to have barely used it and they are wanting to sell their parts from their pc becauyse they dont use it enough anymore.

[severe hull]

I plan on taking all the spare parts and making a spare pc for basic stuff lol

[mossy venture]

do you need the vram of a 3090 ti

[cyan ravine]

Barry what currency

[fleet lichen]

i wanted to water cool my next pc. 😂 so i wanted a gpu that i can put a water block on.

[mossy venture]

4070 ti

[fleet lichen]

its a FE 3090ti. i have a 3070 in my current pc but i would build from scratch and go above and beyond overkill probs 🤣

[cyan ravine]

Barry what currency

[mossy venture]

can wb 4070 ti and it's better

[cyan ravine]

Oh berry

Oops

Lol

[fleet lichen]

i feel like when the 4070 comes out aint nobody gonna be able to find it to buy it

[mossy venture]

4070 ti is out

and is in stock at 740-770

[fleet lichen]

and i need one that can be watercooled so like a FE or one comp[atibvle with waterblocks and stuff

[mossy venture]

has been for months

[cyan ravine]

@fleet lichen for the third time, what currency

[fleet lichen]

USD

[cyan ravine]

Thank you

Yes never buy that

[mossy venture]

also custom loop costs an extra $600+, which gets you from a 4070 ti close to a 4090

[cyan ravine]

900$ is a rip off

3090's are worth 700 at best

[mossy venture]

so do you prefer looks or a large gap better performance

[mossy venture]

well

close is an overstatement

but $300 over a 4080 super

[fleet lichen]

tbh i dont care about the loop look cause i like my tubing look regardles of the loop look

[cyan ravine]

You can go get a 6950xt for 600 or less and get a used waterblock and be better off than 3090ti

Or as bacca said, 4070ti and just use it

New gen cards are pointless to waterblock unless you find the appreciation in seeing a ventus run colder

[fleet lichen]

which 4070ti u recomend

[cyan ravine]

3090 Ti is hands down the most power happy, most difficult card to cool

[cyan ravine]

The cheapest literally

Or wait for 4070 Ti super

And be better off

Or even just 4070 Super

All 3 would be better

Or 6800XT, 7800XT, 6950XT

7900 XT

7900XT is like, 710$ rn

And an amazing buy

Go get a sapphire pulse

[fleet lichen]

i love my nvidia gpus tho.

[cyan ravine]

7900xt beats a 3090ti in almost everything

See where 4070ti and 6950xt is? 3090 Ti is just about in between them

[manic cloak]

Think of that as this: nivida if you want RT and DLSS performance, or AMD for the raw gaming power

[cyan ravine]

DLSS isn't even a point anymore with FSR3 and FMF

AMD literally did it better

[manic cloak]

True

[cyan ravine]

All games work with FMF

Hell windows desktop works with it, your youtube videos work with it

FMF works on anything and everything

[fleet lichen]

like every benchmark is dif tho tbh its tough

[cyan ravine]

Fair, but this is a pretty reasonable snapshot

[fleet lichen]

like userbenchmark shows the 4070ti pulling ahead in certain categories

[cyan ravine]

I have a different metric of measuring myself but I'm not going to sit down every time and type out cuda counts, tflops, 3dmark scores

Etc etc

[cyan ravine]

!ubm

[mossy venture]

UBM is really bad

[cyan ravine]

?ubm

[jolly river]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[mossy venture]

?ubm

[jolly river]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[mossy venture]

oops

[cyan ravine]

Oop

?ubm

[jolly river]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[cyan ravine]

Oop

[manic cloak]

Just don’t use userbenchmark..

[cyan ravine]

[manic cloak]

Watch a video of like.. 4070ti vs 7900xt.

[cyan ravine]

I just sent a comparison

[manic cloak]

They mainly play AAA games on different quality and settings

[fleet lichen]

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4699vs4322/GeForce-RTX-4070-Ti-vs-Radeon-RX-6900-XT