building-and-recc-chat

[formal mica]

what headphones do you have on right now

[obsidian wigeon]

bose qc ultra is apparently the best according to rtings

[potent portal]

Hyperx cloud ii, don't recommend unless you're on a tight budget and it's on sale

[potent portal]

Yes I've heard great things about those

[plucky timber]

I have the same pair of headphones
but

the design is quite old

There are definitely better options new

[obsidian wigeon]

i have arctis 1 wireless

got it on a deal

[potent portal]

Indeed. As a general recommendation if you have no idea what you're looking for, those Bose ones are excellent.

[formal mica]

If i was going to go off ratings for audio this is defeiently the best place I just want something that last for couple of years literally past years broke 3 headsets

https://crinacle.com/

[obsidian wigeon]

i like it but it's not amazing

the headband is already peeling off, the leather

well "leather"

[plucky timber]

I haven't broken any of my headsets yet

[formal mica]

dood

[plucky timber]

Maybe it's a fit issue?

[formal mica]

i have the worst luck

[potent portal]

My kids broke a few, my current ones they ripped the filters off

[plucky timber]

you could be stressing the bands

If it's a very tight fit

[formal mica]

like these headphones i got right now on is steelseires and the mic broke the second week in

[plucky timber]

ok that is a big yikes

doesn't warranty cover that?

[formal mica]

pretty sure it just shorted

It broke from how you put the microphone in I dont really remeber if it was 2 weeks or maybe a month but wasnt long after I bought it broke

[plucky timber]

yikes

[formal mica]

I was useing a haptic corsair headset for past 8 months and the mic just broke on me like a month ago so I bought a microphone since the headset still worked then now the headset broke the joint between where it extends at just snapped off

[plucky timber]

yikes

[formal mica]

ironically the only headset that have that hasnt broke on me is my beats studios2 (I have had since like 2018 or something) i would use those but where im on my computer alot its really tight on my and little uncomfortable for long periods of times

[potent portal]

I've heard nothing but good things, except the price tag. https://www.bose.com/p/headphones/bose-quietcomfort-ultra-headphones/QCUH-HEADPHONEARN.html

[plucky timber]

probably better construction quality

I can't say for all gaming headphones but

generally the construction quality on gaming headsets are kinda mid

[potent portal]

Anything marketed as "Gaming" really

[formal mica]

yea that price tags is really rough honeslty rather buy a Sennheiser for that much

[plucky timber]

are xm4s any good?

they are one of the more popular wireless headphones

but the price is rather steep

[plucky timber]

eh

[formal mica]

sounds apparently bad

[plucky timber]

bass is annoying

for some reason for anything except iems they just crank up the bass

which is fine if you're a bass enjoyer

[formal mica]

yea apprarntly sony buds are really good

[plucky timber]

and also depends on the genre of music you listen to

[plucky timber]

I usually stay away from wireless buds tbh

IEMs dominate that space in terms of audio quality and value

[potent portal]

Sony buds in particular have exploding problems

[formal mica]

to be honest like my jbl buds you can mess around with bass and what not with their app

[plucky timber]

sure there's a whole wire but they're better

for the price

[formal mica]

meant samsung not sony

[potent portal]

Like spicy pillow lithium fire because bad firmware set the wrong charge voltage

[plucky timber]

you could probaly do the same with any buds if you got EQ

[plucky timber]

note 7 flashbacks

[potent portal]

Set your system agent voltage to 1.1v

It usually defaults to 1v which is too low for higher speeds without compromising other things

Doubtful

6000 should be easy

[plucky timber]

even if it doesn't support it on paper

it should still work

6000 shouldn't be that high even for ddr5 right?

[potent portal]

Yeah don't worry about the paper spec

[plucky timber]

It's like a zen 1 cpu only officially supporting up to 2933MHz ram

[potent portal]

6000 is the "I don't want to try too hard" frequency

[plucky timber]

but anything above still works

[potent portal]

I'd call that a bad example because there's plenty of 1700X chips that won't run 3200, FCLK was force synced and it was down to luck

[plucky timber]

ah, i see

[potent portal]

Yes

Should be able to set the mode to manual or something

Override

[plucky timber]

controversial opinion

compact matx cases are better than itx

[potent portal]

Nothing else shows up below when you select override? Or maybe the word "offset" goes away?

Ah it changed to voltage override

That one, 1.1v

No you don't need to manually set any frequency or timing

Occasionally you might need slightly more voltage on the memory itself

SA to 1.15v and try again

It's safe up to about 1.25v or so but it shouldn't need that much for only 6000

If it still fails set dram vddq to 1.37v
(I'm pretty sure that was the correct one, there's like 20 different ones)

Leave it

Set xmp on first so it doesn't override the setting but yes

Yep

One last thing to try, set tCL to 34. If it still refuses to run then you probably have bad memory.

You can use the jedec (non xmp) profile while you wait for the replacement memory

[plucky timber]

sounds like a bios problem

I'm not too familiar with DDR5 so I'll let fal help you

sorry

[strong raft]

Could also enable xmp then simply adjust speed down to 5800 or 5600. The 4800 & it's timings isn't great

[cyan helm]

I tried booting up my build today, and while everything powered on just fine, I wasn’t getting anything to display on the TV I was using to check the boot (monitors aren’t here yet, so TV is what I’ve got to deal with). My MoBo (ASUS ROG Strix Z790-A) had a green light on the BOOT LED and a white light on the VGA LED, the DRAM and GPU LED’s were off.

Could this just be because the TV isn’t up to par? Or is there something else going on here? (New builder, so still learning about all this as I go along)

[lyric thistle]

maybe using the wrong port on the back of the computer?

[cyan helm]

Nah, I plugged it into my GPU

[lyric thistle]

okay

I've had issues with a tv but it was really old and I might've plugged it into the motherboard lol

[cyan helm]

The TV is a new-ish Hisense brand TV that I’ve had for about two years now, and my GPU is a 4070 Ti. Maybe it’s just too much and I need to hold off til my monitors get here?

[lyric thistle]

a while ago now

a tv should work fine I think

[cyan helm]

Although, I will say that my cheap laptop worked just fine when I hooked it up to the TV

I’ve seen a lot of posts talking about those two debug lights being lit and having no display, but it seems like all the solutions for it are drastically different

[obsidian wigeon]

BOOT means no bootable device

aka no os installed

[cyan helm]

Ah gotcha, so would I need to power it on with a USB containing Windows on it?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

try that

[cyan helm]

I’ll try, but shouldn’t the computer at least display something on the screen even without a USB containing Windows plugged in? Or is that a no?

[lyric thistle]

I would assume so

[obsidian wigeon]

sometimes it's like that

some boards are picky

but normally it should get into bios, so this is one of those unusual cases

try to check if your gpu is correctly installed and wired up

[dreamy obsidian]

pc part picker says
Note: A USB 3.2 Gen 2 to USB 3.2 Gen 1 header adapter is required. do I need to do something about this

[cyan helm]

I might have possibly found out the issue lol

[lyric thistle]

🎉

[cyan helm]

So, on the Pcie cables, you need to insert the 2 pin connector BEFORE the six pin 😂 if you don’t, the two pin will just slip out

The six pin part has a little notch on it that holds the two pin in place

I noticed both my two pins were ever so slightly out of place. I’m gonna try and reboot and see how she goes

[plucky timber]

I think there's a thing on the connector that keeps it in

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

but you can do that too

[cyan helm]

Yeah, there is, like an L-shaped plastic ledge

[obsidian wigeon]

there's no fault with that

[plucky timber]

I'd say what you did got the connector wedge to plug in properly so

good job

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[potent portal]

If you want to use the front USB C port you'll need an adapter, but otherwise it's fine

[dreamy obsidian]

how much would that be

[potent portal]

Not much, $15 last I checked

If you want that port it's worth putting that extra bit into a motherboard that has the header already

[dreamy obsidian]

ion really know if I need it

[potent portal]

Most people don't, it's useful for VR

[dreamy obsidian]

I got like an extra usb hub

[obsidian wigeon]

the board felix chose already has one on the back

a usb-c

[dreamy obsidian]

the power and everything else works right

[potent portal]

Yeah just not the front C port. Everything else would work.

[dreamy obsidian]

oh usb c?

I don’t really need that

alr thanks

[cyan ravine]

oh we said the same thing in the other chat

lol double convo

[lyric thistle]

I don't really get having usbc on a host machine

my cables are A to C anyway

[potent portal]

It's required for certain things like USB PD but generally the A to C cables work fine

[cyan ravine]

is this really weird?

My Apex has no thunderbolt

but my crosshair does

2 ports in fact

there's a thunderbolt header on my apex but not a native C port

only 3.2 gen 2x2

omg I'm so dumb

I thought this board has no displayout

no it's the usb-c

oml

I have rediscovered new love for crosshair

[lyric thistle]

zamn

[potent portal]

Lol ya C to DP

[cyan ravine]

yeah I never made the link

my screen also supports USB-C display

[obsidian wigeon]

damn

usb-c display on desktop board

[cyan ravine]

damn I could have igpu goin here

[cyan ravine]

one of those times usb-c is a great idea

[potent portal]

Yeah finally a use for C to C that isn't just a phone, since the monitor can take it

[obsidian wigeon]

i hate samsung for forcing no charger but giving no c to a

it's c to c

[lyric thistle]

goofy ah

all the phone companies are doing that now aren't they

[obsidian wigeon]

not really

but more and more are

[potent portal]

My Pixel 6 only came with a C to C cable, no charger. I use my old LG charger, it does 9V 1.8A

[obsidian wigeon]

ew

c to c

all my chargers are usb-a

[lyric thistle]

I think my phone came with the c to c as well

s20 5g

but I still had cables and chargers so eh

just meant I had a cable for phone to phone transfer if I wanted to

[cyan ravine]

my phones have been c to c for years

[lyric thistle]

tbh I forget if I even did that or not

[cyan ravine]

I thank that they still give us cables

screw you apple

a cable is ALWAYS useful

[obsidian wigeon]

apple stopped giving you a cable?

what the hell

[weary galleon]

no

[potent portal]

That's exactly what I used it for and never touched it again

[weary galleon]

just stopped packaging the charging brick and earbuds

[lyric thistle]

if I haven't used the c to c for phone to phone transfer then I haven't used it for anything

so that cable specifically would be useless

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

[lyric thistle]

to me in this case

[potent portal]

The cable I got was about a foot too short to be useful, otherwise I'd leave it on the back of my PC to charge my phone.

[lyric thistle]

ig mine's a 3ft

[cyan ravine]

It's not also the cable?

[obsidian wigeon]

i lost my original charger for my phone

thank god i bought a charger

[weary galleon]

PRETTY SURE YOU STILL GET A CABLE

whoops capslock

[cyan ravine]

[lyric thistle]

I buy ipad chargers because they're good and cheap

[honest anchor]

Heyy just wanna say thank for yall advices

[lyric thistle]

👍

[honest anchor]

I posted on build pics final product

[lyric thistle]

ooo nice build

[honest anchor]

Thanks

I asked advice on this tab a day ago or two, i just followed the pcpartpicker list they provided 1300$ build

Deepcool Ak500 was on sale for 40$

It looked nice

[pseudo pollen]

Sick looking cooler

[topaz current]

yup ak500/620 digital goes hard too

[mossy venture]

Check out the phantom spirit evo, it's in #tech-deals

It looks so good

[topaz current]

nice cooler but imo digital >

[mossy venture]

If you want the temp display I can understand that

Ps evo in a blackout build tho

Would go so hard

[topaz current]

fair fair

nice fans too

nicer than deepcool’s

[mossy venture]

Yeah its phantom spirit with premium fans and a much nicer look

[jade oxide]

hides AK620 from creamer

[blazing jewel]

Morning! I have a quick question

I bought a pack of Corsair vengeance dimms and it says on the package Xmp ready. I’m running an amd platform and I want to enable expo. Should I exchange my pack or am I in the clear to enable expo on these sticks?

[mossy venture]

It's fine

Though there are much better choices than vengeance for ram

[blazing jewel]

Please enlighten me

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ff3d532g6000hc30dc01

Corsair for ddr4 would mix ram dies, which causes it to not be able to use xmp (not in every kit, but enough to where it was a notable issue). With their ddr5, they lock a voltage I forget the name of, that limits it much more than most other brands

[blazing jewel]

I’ll definitely look into this

Thanks me friend.

[mossy venture]

I think it's called vdimm or smthn like that? Not sure

And np

[cyan ravine]

vdd

vdimm also ye

[serene onyx]

Hey guys

My Temps are reaching 75 to 80° is this good?

[cyan ravine]

That could mean anything

Need to be way more specific

[serene onyx]

My cpu temps

There reaching 75 to 80°c

[mossy venture]

What cpu

[crimson zinc]

It’s hot
Sounds like you need to put it in the shower to cool off

[mossy venture]

And doing what

[serene onyx]

Ryzen 5 7600

[mossy venture]

If that's gaming/under load, that's normal

Felix has a 7000 series cpu in a custom loop and it still reaches high 70s if I remember right

[serene onyx]

Oh damn

Alrighty

[pseudo pollen]

7000 series just has a really thick ihs

[serene onyx]

Alright

[mossy venture]

You could upgrade cooler if you wanted, but realistically it won't help beyond 5-10 degrees or so, and it won't help performance

[serene onyx]

Yeah i get you

Thank you

[crimson zinc]

@mossy venture mind making me a entry level build? Just something simple. $1k.

Something you can plug in and go.

[mossy venture]

Sure, is wifi needed, do you care about aesthetics, do you need monitor, what's it being used for

And which would you rather have

A strong gpu but a dead platform for cpu, or a weaker (still capable) gpu but stronger cpu and possibility to upgrade

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Phf3sh

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kGQtN6

[topaz current]

a620 might as well be a dead platform too; at least go b650 for a 1k$ build

[cyan ravine]

wot

[topaz current]

vrms won’t hold up well with upgrades and features won’t hold up to time

[cyan ravine]

that a620 is a b650 in a620 clothing

the vrm's run a 7950x without anywhere near overheating

[topaz current]

lemme recheck specs 1 sec

[cyan ravine]

it's 8+2+1 iirc

[mossy venture]

For why

[cyan ravine]

even the 6+2+1 A620m gaming x runs a 7950x at 70C

it gets no where near throttle

[mossy venture]

I mean if really wanted $5 more is b650 pro rs no wifi

[topaz current]

oh right the only problem with that board is it’s only $5 less than the b650m version which has significantly better features

[cyan ravine]

significantly better how

you get a little more i/o

[topaz current]

only 1 pcie slot is big yikes on an matx board

[cyan ravine]

lmao

what's the second slot for?

SLI is dead and you got wifi alreadyy

[topaz current]

i use it for a nic

[cyan ravine]

💀

[topaz current]

yeah but no 10gbe

[cyan ravine]

that's not a necessity

that's a lifestyle choice in this age siir

[white depot]

I'm alive once again

cpu reach 83 c

max temp

[cyan ravine]

you are way over Tcase

71 is a limit for 6700

[white depot]

if it's colder

then idk

ima try to repaste it tmr if that doesn't work

wait I'm reipping

[cyan ravine]

reipping?

[white depot]

tripping

[cyan ravine]

?

[white depot]

sorry it's late asf

I can barely type

💀

[cyan ravine]

what I think is happening to your system

when you swapped the new gpu in, the cpu was no longer held back and started working harder

so now that it can work untapped, it's running up to 100%, and exceeding Tcase (throttle).

[white depot]

wait ur not wrong actually

[cyan ravine]

I need to turn off rapid trigger

it keeps double typing letters

💀

[white depot]

so what can I do expect for like

[white depot]

💀

reposting and buying a new cooler

[topaz current]

sell he buy topre 😴

jk hall effect is ballin

[cyan ravine]

HE is bae

[topaz current]

not quite as based as topre but we ball

[cyan ravine]

I love the HE

[topaz current]

just bought another topre board, r2 pfu limited edition (silent) for $115

[cyan ravine]

got a friend with one too, he got me onto that one

[white depot]

wait I'm in build chat I thought this was gen

mb

[cyan ravine]

as I said before, the debloat tool might help, but buying a cooler first might fix your problems the quickest

you just need to make sure it has LGA1151 compatibility

could save you the trouble of upgrading anything else if you get your temps down

[white depot]

I am upgrading anyway s

I'm selling my ps4 first that will secure me my psu

I'm gon try thermal paste

[cyan ravine]

ye ik but I keep encouraging it cos you might see the benefit in just spending the 20-30 odd dollars instead of a whole system change

[white depot]

my cpu old Ashl

anyways

wait

if I buy thay cooler

would it work

with my current cpu

[cyan ravine]

I would consider a cheaper cooler

idk not without checking if it has lga1151 mounting

[white depot]

no bcs I want to re use it on the build once I get the parts all together

[cyan ravine]

ye but then you picked an ABN psu

which is, really mid tbh

it'll run the pc fine but you know, if you want something that is a good carryover, I'd opt psu

[white depot]

it does

I think

yeah it supports them

[cyan ravine]

cos ABN I wouldn't recommend for much more than maybe, 12400, 6600XT

but the DRP4 is overkill

[white depot]

fr?

[cyan ravine]

the money you plan to spend on the cooler could instead be better provisioned to the psu so even the psu would have no troubles being reused

yes

drp4 is extremely overkill

[white depot]

oh I don't know if u were in chat

yesterday

[cyan ravine]

I may or may not have been

[white depot]

when I said that I'm planning to upgrade to a 13th gen i7

later

bcs I want to build 2 systems

[cyan ravine]

you could run on a basic cooler, something like an R9 7900 or R7 7800X3D

[white depot]

and I'll re use spare parts gradually

[cyan ravine]

7700X

7600X

quite easily on a simple single tower

no need for DRP4

[white depot]

what cooler would u suggest

[cyan ravine]

one sec

[white depot]

what cpu

psu*

[cyan ravine]

anything like these that you can find cheap over there

simple single tower

[white depot]

okej ty

[cyan ravine]

PSU I would need to see what's there

[white depot]

here if ubwant to look

https://gjirafa50.al/

[cyan ravine]

alr

pick
https://gjirafa50.al/pjese-per-kompjuter/burime-energjie/600-w/burim-energjie-asus-tuf-gaming-650w-bronze-650w
https://gjirafa50.al/pjese-per-kompjuter/burime-energjie/600-w/burim-energjie-cooler-master-mwe-650-bronze-v2-650w
https://gjirafa50.al/pjese-per-kompjuter/burime-energjie/700-w/burim-energjie-asus-tuf-gaming-750w-bronze-750w
https://gjirafa50.al/pjese-per-kompjuter/burime-energjie/700-w/burim-energjie-gigabyte-ud750gm-750w
https://gjirafa50.al/pjese-per-kompjuter/burime-energjie/700-w/burim-energjie-msi-mpg-a750gf-750w
https://gjirafa50.al/pjese-per-kompjuter/burime-energjie/800-w/burim-energjie-gigabyte-ud850gm-850w

@white depot

[white depot]

oh wait

idk which is best

[cyan ravine]

they get progressively better

[white depot]

too much

[white depot]

meh

[cyan ravine]

cooler I'd do this

https://gjirafa50.al/pjese-per-kompjuter/ftohes-7/per-procesor/me-ajer/ftohes-deepcool-ag400

[white depot]

too much

[mossy venture]

Agf best, tuf second mwe v2 third

Tuf and mwe v2 similar

[cyan ravine]

udgm not too bad

it's not pgm that's for sure

[mossy venture]

Oh ye forgot that was in there

Udgm I'd put between tuf and mwe v2

[cyan ravine]

if you go with the cpu cooler I put above it won't be

[mossy venture]

But they're all the same ballpark of quality

[white depot]

leme c

[cyan ravine]

but you can then use both the cooler and a good psu in a much better build later

ABN I wouldn't carry over

[mossy venture]

I mean, why not just use stock cooler for now?

[cyan ravine]

they can

[white depot]

j think this will do the job

in the future

[cyan ravine]

if looking to carry something over to an i7 build, the ABN PSU definitely won't do it

[white depot]

form a 12th gen i5?

[mossy venture]

It won't do the job for a 13600k

[white depot]

for

[cyan ravine]

it won't, but it will for 7900

or 7800x3d

[mossy venture]

Theyre planning to do 12400--> 13600k

Unless that's changed

[white depot]

yeah amd I'm.not switching platforms

and

would have to buy mobo

[cyan ravine]

hmmm

[mossy venture]

Yeah pricing is wack there

[cyan ravine]

omg only two amd choices

well in that case I'd just use the 12400 stock cooler and wait until you have the i7

you may not even end up with the i7, life holds all sorts of surprises, better to wait until it's happening first

a good psu will last you a long time though, if you want to consider anything with some degree of future proofing, it's the psu

[white depot]

so leme look at the best option

I'd go for 750w

personally

is the asus one good

mayb

[cyan ravine]

750w with a 13700k you could do a mid-range card of the current gen

like 7800xt

[earnest olive]

atx12vo 👀

[cyan ravine]

4070

6700xt

13600k would fair with higher gpus with a good 750w imo

[white depot]

the last psu too much

[earnest olive]

750w can definitely handle 13700K + 4090 as long as you're just gaming and not running OCCT power or similar

[cyan ravine]

like 4070ti

[white depot]

ima rock stock cooler for thr 12gen

leme remove it

[cyan ravine]

sure, we do like to overestimate a lil tho

[earnest olive]

but if you can afford a 4090 you can probably afford an 850w

[cyan ravine]

the tuf bronze personally speaking is quite nice

[white depot]

prices are horrible

[cyan ravine]

not modular but frankly you can just use the straps in the box to tie it all up really snug

[earnest olive]

bro the other day my friend was talking about upgrading to a 4070

[cyan ravine]

and it's a quiet unit

[earnest olive]

then yesterday he sends me a pic of his new 4090 white strix 💀

didn't know bro had money like that

[cyan ravine]

jfc

those cost a fortune

[white depot]

it's ok

I have no idea how to route psu

[cyan ravine]

not even a good 4090 either

[white depot]

cables

[earnest olive]

he said it was the only one he found in stock

[white depot]

but rn

what do you think what should I buy

a cheap cooler

or like go for the paste

First

bcs my i7 is dying

like this

[cyan ravine]

objectively?

what I'd do

either wait for the new cpu and the rest

or

buy paste and the AG400

try that first

if it works, wait longer to upgrade

[earnest olive]

does the AG400 not come with paste

[cyan ravine]

oh right

it does

sorry tired af

just the cooler 💀

[earnest olive]

doesn't hurt to have some extra paste for a little snack while building

[cyan ravine]

where's the vet builder meme

[white depot]

lmao

[white depot]

o I was thinking bout this too

should I ground myself

when I build the new pc

[cyan ravine]

really not needed

[white depot]

I don't have the cable thingys

[earnest olive]

it's enough to just go touch a doorknob before you start

[cyan ravine]

if you touch your case at all you've grounded yourself

which is absolute certain to happen

[white depot]

oh

I'll just touch the case

in that

case

[cyan ravine]

you will anyway

[white depot]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

just to work on it

[earnest olive]

but what if I don't have a case smh

[cyan ravine]

you'll move it and you'll already be grounded lol

[earnest olive]

caseless gang

[white depot]

pc hanging from the wall

[white depot]

true

ok but I'm scared

that these

will get sold out

💀

bcs ok if I go paste

paste doesn't fix the temps

i go for the cheap cooler

[cyan ravine]

you'll know tho

[white depot]

that doesn't fix it too

money spent for nun

[cyan ravine]

you'll know if it works, and that can potentially save you from the entire upgrade ordeal, and let you last a bit longer before needing another upgrade

[white depot]

I'm afraid the cooler gon b bad

[cyan ravine]

AG400 is solid

[white depot]

word

[cyan ravine]

it won't run an i7

but it will run a 12400

or a 7900

7950x3d even

[white depot]

6700

[cyan ravine]

yes

[white depot]

I'll try

ig

[cyan ravine]

if it worries you then go drp4

but I'd leapfrog the 12400 if you do that

go straight to the i7

[white depot]

ohh

oke

of the stupid paste fixes my perf

which I doubt

but it might

[cyan ravine]

there's zero reason to hold onto a drp4 for several years for a cpu that you may or may not get

[white depot]

then I'll b happy

and the cooler

[cyan ravine]

if it does it'll be good cos a cpu limit doesn't really hold a pc back

[white depot]

true

[cyan ravine]

it's the throttling that can really hold it down

or the cache limiting

[white depot]

I can't play I swear it'd unusable

100%

all the time

it doesn't do nun

[cyan ravine]

I've watched a lot of 6700 benchmarks since you came here, they do use a lot of cpu

[cyan ravine]

but even in the 90%'s it's still pretty consistent

[white depot]

it reached 81 max but forgor to sc

[cyan ravine]

so I keep thinking it's temps

[white depot]

oh damn I forgot to close the thingy

when I shut down my pc

is it a problme

[cyan ravine]

no

[white depot]

that's what I'm saying

like I'd get

frame drips

dips

here and there

but beo

every time I move its noticeable

[cyan ravine]

well

either way you go we haven't suggested bad coolers

[white depot]

I'll try this cheap one u said

ty

[cyan ravine]

just make the choice with your future plans thought through

[white depot]

hopefully it fixes everythif

also

since I played a lil today and ran a few tests

will that damage my cpu

or maybe is it damaged already

[cyan ravine]

unlikely

oh wow ok

AK620 sold out

do you have a second store you could use

like amazon?

tmw the arctic 420 cooler is actually hilariously well priced on this website

https://gjirafa50.al/pjese-per-kompjuter/ftohes-7/per-procesor/ftohes-me-uje-arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-420-i-zi

[white depot]

wai what

since when

[white depot]

nop

[white depot]

150

[cyan ravine]

idk

[cyan ravine]

not saying to buy it, just interesting to see it

[white depot]

oh alr

anyways ty sm for the help

goodnight

[cyan ravine]

Np

[manic cloak]

Hmmmmm

you can see what’s a naughty naughty

He might of put the wrong ram because he’s got flare X5s

And it’s 100% a microcenter combo

[obsidian wigeon]

wrong ram

but i feel it's an honest mistake

[dusky hearth]

☠️

[obsidian wigeon]

otherwise thing wouldn't be running

[dusky hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-gif-19276963

[lyric thistle]

fits

[lone flame]

does this mean it will for sure be back in stock eventually

[lyric thistle]

sure

[obsidian wigeon]

ya

it's a popular product still in production so it will be

[spiral vale]

The motherboard I have is a MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard and I have an Intel Core i5-12500 3 GHz 6-Core Processor, with a MSI GAMING Z TRIO GeForce RTX 3080 12GB LHR 12 GB Video Card. Everyone I show my pc to says my cpu is bottlenecking my whole pc’s preformance. Someone help me 😢

I have 2x 27” 1080p 60hz monitors btw

[pseudo pollen]

Not bottlenecking

Technically everything bottlenecks to a certain degree, but that shouldn't be doing much to harm performance

Pull up task manager or msi afterburner overlay and see the percentage of GPU vs CPU usage

[plucky timber]

we should have a bottleneck command

just to debunk this whole myth

[plucky timber]

'bottleneck' highly depends on your usecase

In the case of gaming, it's typically better to focus your build around maximizing gpu performance

while yes your cpu could hold back your gpu in newer games, it is often cheaper and easier to upgrade a cpu than a gpu

[potent portal]

If you only have 1080p then any CPU would bottleneck a 3080. But since you only have 60hz you won't get any benefit from going much above 60 fps anyway.

A bottleneck isn't a bad thing btw, every system has one. Even the highest end systems can have an in game engine bottleneck or a driver bottleneck.

[plucky timber]

it's not really a problem unless you're min-maxing

which, an i5-12500 is nowhere near min-maxing

I'd say a 12100f is min maxing

but even then, it depends on the use case

if it's esports titles like csgo where single thread performance matters more than multi thread then it'd perform just as well

[cyan ravine]

not bottlenecking

[cyan ravine]

this is bottlenecking

[potent portal]

The monitors are the real bottleneck here

Yeah

[cyan ravine]

yep

damn

techies come smashing in

IT'S UR MONITOR

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[plucky timber]

I mean could it really be called a bottleneck tho?

[cyan ravine]

yes

like actually yes

[plucky timber]

I game on 60hz

ok to be fair i don't play fps games

[cyan ravine]

that pc should be wayyyy above 60 fps

[plucky timber]

so probably why i don't notice

[plucky timber]

true

a 3080 can definitely pull frames into the 100s

especially at 1080p

[cyan ravine]

3080 12gb should be perfectly competent at a 1440p 144fps experience

when 3080's came out they were pushing towards 240fps

[plucky timber]

I'm one of the weirdos that prioritize visuals over refresh rate

[cyan ravine]

and I mean that at reasonable settings ofc

[plucky timber]

mostly because of the genre of games i play really

[cyan ravine]

Like I'd sorta put a 3080 2 years ago where I put a 7900XT now, somewhat

if that makes sense

[plucky timber]

damn

[potent portal]

Even in single player titles you can feel the difference going from 60 to even 90hz

[plucky timber]

the 3080's a lot better than i expected it to be

[plucky timber]

I play paradox games sadly

[cyan ravine]

3080 is still a great card

[plucky timber]

The only times where I notice the frame dips is when it drops below 30

[potent portal]

Ok so late game saves you're pushing like 12 fps

[plucky timber]

yes

paradox games are cpu killers

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[plucky timber]

doesn't help that they're mostly single thread

[potent portal]

Yeah I don't see any real reason not to multi thread the AI turns

[plucky timber]

there's literally no cpu on the planet that can run a paradox late game save smoothly

because of how the they utilize the cpu

[cyan ravine]

time for that ultimate buzz word

"uunoptimised"

hooo it's 2024 and we're still talking about it

[plucky timber]

to be fair most of the current paradox games were released back when intel quad cores dominated the market

[potent portal]

I know, they want to process the logic sequentially, but at what cost

[plucky timber]

does CS2 use multi thread?

[potent portal]

The problem is they keep reusing the same engine even in the newer ones

[plucky timber]

yeah victoria 3 runs like crap

still using the clausewitz engine for some reason

that engine is decades old

like at this point it's actually holding the games back

with so much content added to their titles they LAG like hell

even in early game if you got an older pc

[covert vapor]

Using a new engine would require effort

[plucky timber]

yeah well

the engine is over 10 years old

[cyan ravine]

ye

afaik ye

[plucky timber]

oh wow

[covert vapor]

Can't do that, need to push out a watered down version of a game they released 10 years ago with better graphics and an updated UI so they can finish the game in 10 years with 300 dlcs before releasing a new version

[plucky timber]

honestly it's unfeasible for them to release new games

considering the colossal amount of content in the older title

I'd say cities skylines 2 would be worth buying once they've ironed out the bugs

for other paradox titles?

eh not so much

[covert vapor]

At this point they are basically at the just rerelease the previous game with some new stuff and call it a day stage

[plucky timber]

I mean

It would've been better if the engine was updated

but no

victoria 3 still uses the same old laggy engine

that is definitely showing its age

It's holding back the modding community

and the base game itself

[covert vapor]

They did a Star Trek mod for Stellaris as a new game

[plucky timber]

meh

the star trek mod for stellaris is better than that game

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=688086068

It's actually a pretty good mod

got a LOT of content

If they really wanted to make a star trek strategy game

[covert vapor]

Yeah, I know, which is why I knew the game was going be a joke the moment I heard about it

[plucky timber]

they needed more work

like

star trek would work really well in stellaris

since it's a pretty lore heavy game

it's PERFECT for a game like stellaris

but paradox pushed out a cheap cash grab instead

missed opportunity tbh

[white depot]

yo I found the cpu for cheaper

in another place

it's 50 euros off

I found the cooler for cheaper too

[manic cloak]

The new 4000s series announced tomorrow..

Apparently 4070 super, 4070 ti super and a 4080 super

What “leaks” are said but it sounds so stupid

[obsidian wigeon]

it is indeed stupid

ti super is such a meme name

[plucky timber]

isn't super supposed to the mid gpu

like between the regular and the ti

[cyan ravine]

I prefer to think of it as the anti-AMD sku

[runic spruce]

Gpus should have the price tag included in their name

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-chapelle-modern-solutions-gif-15497728

[spring acorn]

Hi!
I just bought a new gpu, gigabyte GeForce 4070

I uninstalled my old drivers, run ddu. And i still have no display

My system is r5 3500 with a320 mobo ( i know its bottleneck af planning to upgrade this next time)

Old gpu was rx570

[mossy venture]

Did you fully plug in both pcie power cables

[spring acorn]

Yes

The gpu fans are working

[obsidian wigeon]

have you made sure to plug the display cable in correctly

[topaz current]

what psu

[mossy venture]

Ye like foxy said, did you connect display cable to gpu or mobo

[strong raft]

Why have just a 4070 Super when you can also have a Ti Super. (I of course agree it's such a joke of a model.

[spiral vale]

GIGABYTE GS27QC 27" 165Hz 1440P Curved Gaming Monitor, 2560 x 1440 VA 1500R VS GIGABYTE G27Q 27" 144Hz 1440P Gaming Monitor, 2560 x 1440 IPS Display, 1ms

[strong raft]

Ips

[mossy venture]

G27qc isn't the best

I'd only go for it around like $160-170 area

Especially when going 1440p I'd spend the extra for a solid IPS panel

G27q is $220

[crimson zinc]

@mossy venture FATHER FIGURE

What’s the next step up from a 7900xt on the gpu chart

I can’t find it

[mossy venture]

xtx

i think its 3090 ti, 6950xt, 4070 ti, 7900xt, xtx

[crimson zinc]

Ty

Idk where the chart is, I haven’t been able to find it in days

[pseudo pollen]

6950xt?

I guess so

[crimson zinc]

Was helping a friend with an upgrade

[rocky jacinth]

Hi guys I have built a new PC:
motherboard: Msi b760 tomahawk wifi DDR5. I have a corsair 5600 hz. I cant get my device to 5600 hz, it currently setting at 4800. im trying to activate my xmp profile. can somebody shed some light on this please 🙏🏼

[rocky jacinth]

this is my build

[sullen spoke]

in the overclocking menu go to the DRAM Settings section and enable Extreme Memory Profile

[empty linden]

Hi, I have a Lian Li case, I don't remember model number, but it has two 200mm front fans in it that I need to replace, how ever ones that I bought to replace them have the wrong case connectors on it. What do I need to look for with the replacements for the fans?

[honest anchor]

A friend of mine trying to sell a i9 9940x, x299 mobo, 32gb ram, 2tb ssd and rtx 2080. Is it worth 1000$ or 800$?

[potent portal]

Probably around $900 for a complete system. The processor alone is worth $350, motherboard $100, ram $40, ssd $50, 2080 $200, misc fills the rest of the value.

If it's not a complete system and it's just those parts you listed then $750

[plucky timber]

@crimson zinc do white only build for $1000

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sdnQh3

https://www.walmart.com/ip/MSI-MAG-A750GL-PCIE-5-0-80-GOLD-Fully-Modular-Gaming-PSU-12VHPWR-Cable-ATX-3-0-Compatible-750W-Power-Supply/3527155175

Psu link

[crimson zinc]

I issue them, I’m not good at putting them together

[plucky timber]

lol

[crimson zinc]

I know enough to do a few, but I’m dumb as a donkey if you give me any limitations

[plucky timber]

lol

that's why it's a challenge

[cyan ravine]

@plucky timber

Entry PC under 400

[plucky timber]

used or no used?

[manic cloak]

I am so lost

[cyan ravine]

Used allowed

[manic cloak]

With this facebook offer

O11 but it’s a tower..

Lian li but with asus stickers??

[cyan ravine]

It's not an o11

That's a uh

[flint sapphire]

Classic

[cyan ravine]

Lancool?

[manic cloak]

Ik

Looks like 2

[cyan ravine]

Rog lancool 2 probably

[flint sapphire]

Nah they just threw stickers from mobo on the front

Like the sticker bomb pack you get with a board

[manic cloak]

💀💀

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah I see the ryzen sticker lol

[flint sapphire]

What about the republic of gamers red tape

[manic cloak]

Wait is if 2 or 3

Oh it’s 2

Supposed double glass panel sixes

Sides*

[crimson zinc]

What’s the edgiest case you’ve ever seen?

[plucky timber]

toughpower gx2 is A tier right?

[manic cloak]

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-ii/?cn-reloaded=1

[manic cloak]

An all mesh case or the literal smallest ITX case in existence

Like the case could fit in your backpack like a small battery

Well, for a bike electric bike or lower mower ig

[plucky timber]

nvm they're c tier

[manic cloak]

Should I buy that offer though @cyan ravine sorry for ping

I mean it’s got like.. two strimmer cables

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kYHxWt

meh

[manic cloak]

but they just look like white cables..

[plucky timber]

went overbudget

[cyan ravine]

If it insterests you it's not the worst

[plucky timber]

gpu was the hard part

[cyan ravine]

But lancool ii vanilla isn't great

Definitely other options I'd do at 50

[manic cloak]

True

[cyan ravine]

Strimmers give me no material benefit tbh

[manic cloak]

Considering idk if the fans are still in there

[cyan ravine]

Imo

[manic cloak]

Or it’s gutted

[cyan ravine]

A little bit LOL

[manic cloak]

Only issue is see really is what’s missing

I mean it looks like a great case

[plucky timber]

yeah it's pretty hard to find used gpus

[manic cloak]

Replace the front panel with the newer mesh one

[manic cloak]

Used gpus are so common 😭

My area has it so cheap

[plucky timber]

yeah but that's the problem

It's just a general list

no specific markets

[manic cloak]

True

[cyan ravine]

@plucky timber https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xcbvN6

[crimson zinc]

HEY

I USED THAT RAM

I can vouch

[cyan ravine]

Oloy is good

I've had oloys

Probably nicest ram I've owned tbh tho not that kit

[crimson zinc]

They did me good for 2 years

Never once had a problem

I had 4 sticks of 8

Never once needed the second pair of 8s

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2t3zLP

‘‘Twas the build

Cost the friend of mine who made it less than $200 or so I believe

@cyan ravine rate the build

[cyan ravine]

Ah yes

Evga bbq

[crimson zinc]

Hey, that thing survived up until I sold the pc a few weeks ago lmao

[plucky timber]

To be fair it's low power parts

[runic spruce]

Like 4090s and i9’s n such

[crimson zinc]

I was just looking at the Hyte Y70 Touch

Why

[little osprey]

my build looks great even though i didnt have the weird RGB 3/4 pin cable

the gpu too fat

too long, thick and gosu

[hollow crag]

Hello, so for a little recap my pc would restart randomly out of no where. Found out I got the wrong psu, bought a new one and just put it it right now. The issue still persists, what’s wrongg

[plucky timber]

Specs?

Walk us through your troubleshooting process

[flint sapphire]

They’ve gone through just about everything Boeing

[runic spruce]

Parts?

and does it restart in workloads

[hollow crag]

what does this mean

ok ill sned parts

[hollow crag]

facts

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/23PTPF + be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular AT... instead of the 650me

[plucky timber]

Have you tried reseating ram?

[cyan ravine]

@hollow crag can you tell me what you've done so far

I do too much in here, saying just everything gives me no recollection of helping

[plucky timber]

^

Can't really help unless we know what's been tried

[honest anchor]

Hello, installed sata ssd but for unknown reason bios cant detect it

[plucky timber]

Have you formatted the drive?

[runic spruce]

Did u plug in the power cable for the ssd and not just the SATA cable? It happens sometimes

[honest anchor]

I did

[honest anchor]

Cant format when pc cant detect it

[plucky timber]

Can windows detect it?

[honest anchor]

No, not even BIOS

[plucky timber]

Have you tried a different sata port?

[honest anchor]

Yeah,

[hollow crag]

ive literally done possibly everything from google

[plucky timber]

Do you have a m.2 drive installed by any chance?

[hollow crag]

went in bios and did that, got a new psu, reset everything

just dont work

gives a black screen and restarts

[plucky timber]

Some motherboards disable certain sata ports when there is a m.2 drive installed

[plucky timber]

Is that "everything"?

[honest anchor]

Yes i have m.2 installed

[plucky timber]

Ah yes

That's probably your problem then

Try another sata port

[honest anchor]

How do i enable it?

[plucky timber]

Well

[honest anchor]

Or turn that on

[plucky timber]

The lanes are reallocated to the m.2

I'm pretty sure it only disable a few, but not all the ports

[hollow crag]

Do you have more suggestions?

[honest anchor]

Oof

[plucky timber]

Try different sata ports until you have one that work

[plucky timber]

Have you tried reseating ram?

[runic spruce]

U can also google the board to see which ones gets disabled with an m.2

[hollow crag]

Reseating as putting it back into place?

[runic spruce]

Which ever one is faster tho

[plucky timber]

Removing it and putting it back

[hollow crag]

I think I did but I will again

[plucky timber]

Yeah it's faster to just try all of them

Usually the ones that get disabled are kinda on their own

Like here you can see two sata ports below the 24 pin

And then two at the bottom

I'd say those ones under the 24 pin get disabled

That's the case in my experience

Motherboards vary wildly

So different motherboards, different ports

[plucky timber]

If that doesn't work, try running the system with only one stick of ram at a time

[honest anchor]

I tried all ports no luck

Did some search on board

So if i put m.2_2 sata 5 through 8 stops working?

Or only working

[plucky timber]

Sata 6-8 should work

If I'm reading this correctly

But if none of of the sata ports work

It might be a different issue

Have you tried a different sata cable?

[honest anchor]

Ok i tried everything nothing works

Must be the sata ssd itself now

😫 too tired just gonna do this later time

[plucky timber]

alright

[honest anchor]

Thanks for help though.

[plucky timber]

Let me know how it goes 👍

[plucky timber]

Glad to help... Or at least attempt to help

[lyric thistle]

WD Blue 3D

[plucky timber]

I don't think that's the meme part haha

Did i just change color

Yoo I'm blue now

[lyric thistle]

what meme part

I just like my WD Blue 3Ds :)

[plucky timber]

Thermaltake smart pro rgb

[lyric thistle]

wowie

[limber oyster]

Damn Walmart

[pseudo pollen]

[tawny raven]

does pcie 3 vs 4 matter for gpus like rtx 4070 and 4080

[pseudo pollen]

I'd think so

[cyan helm]

Probably

[mossy venture]

Ehh

Pcie 3.0 x16 a 3090 doesn't saturate

4090 might be limiting at pcie 3.0, 4080 prolly would if it was running at x8

But x16 I doubt it

4070 it definitely doesn't matter

[lone flame]

@weary kettle https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-00CN-00032?Item=9SIAK91EE00988

no longer available by the looks of things

[crimson zinc]

Looks like Walmart has the white, Amazon has the black

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Montech-AIR-100-ARGB-MICRO-ATX-Tower-Four-Fans-Pre-Installed-Ultra-Minimalist-Design-Fine-Mesh-Front-Panel-High-Airflow-Unique-Side-Swivel-Tempered-G/1780015491

@weary kettle

[weary kettle]

thankx

@crimson zinc

@lone flame

[lime tartan]

ok so for a 3080 waterblock do i need the active backplate version or not since i will be prolyl going through EKWB for the block

[potent portal]

3080 doesn't need it since there's no components on the back that need cooling

3090 does have memory on the rear so it would benefit that

[lime tartan]

ok good to know and its about 100 bucks difference in price

[little osprey]

worth? if so what gpu would pair best with it

[flint sapphire]

120 aio 1000 watt psu is nice... the cpu is a bit outdated the case is nice. what are they asking for it

[plucky timber]

$400

[flint sapphire]

not worth imo

[plucky timber]

It's the corsair parts

they're inflating the price

and without a gpu

huge meh

[flint sapphire]

they dont say anything about the ram

the cooler is basically e waste

[plucky timber]

storage?

[flint sapphire]

rog strix mobo tho

[plucky timber]

I mean

It's a cool board but it doesn't contribute much to actual performance

[flint sapphire]

talk em down to 300

maybe

[plucky timber]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xsdbcH

new build is $100 more

not including gpu

[flint sapphire]

honestly its not a bad deal for the looks

but the cooler again is dumb and no info on ram

[plucky timber]

I mean I'd say $400 is a fair price for the components

but the performance isn't worth $400

[flint sapphire]

yeah

[plucky timber]

this is why I don't buy these kind of components

destroys the resale value

[mossy venture]

Imo not really

Cpu around 120-140 (5600/12400f match or beat it), mobo 80-100, cooler like $10, psu worth around $100 but no one really needs that much wattage, rm750e can run a 4090

Any good 750 can

Honestly I'd trust a good few 650s to run a 4090/7600 or 4090/7800x3d

[cyan ravine]

wtf 120mm aio with a 10700k

in other words the 360 aio pictured is NOT what is described

[plucky timber]

who buys a 120mm aio

watch it get destroyed by a $20 air cooler

[flint sapphire]

alienware

[cyan ravine]

alienware

[plucky timber]

They don't exist to me

[cyan ravine]

me neither until someone else says the name

[plucky timber]

They're alienware in the sense that you must be alien to buy it

[flint sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-a-dell-gaming-pc-dude-gif-14395733393982085552

[stuck river]

Hey guys what AMD graphics card is similar to NVIDIA’s RTX 2080?

Would the 6700x be a match?

[cyan ravine]

Be more like RX 6700
The non-XT variant

5700XT would be just below that and far better value if you find one used

Tho it lacks some core modern gaming features

[mossy venture]

Yeah 6700/7600 are good comparisons

[crimson zinc]

I’m so mad

[potent portal]

6800 has more vram, it's good for dev work which I think you mentioned

[crimson zinc]

I sold a guy my old cpu
Ryzen 4500

I told him “I wiped off the thermal paste for you to be able to apply a new coat”
He gets it, says it’s faulty because his computer doesn’t run for more than a few seconds before powering off, returns it.
this dude never put any thermal paste on it…

Been building pcs for 12 years my ass

[leaden mauve]

maybe he just forgot lol

I forget little things like that sometimes

[crimson zinc]

I asked him before he returned it if he put any paste on and he said yes

It has the exact same smear I couldn’t get off from when I cleaned it

Fan was sparkling clean too.