building-and-recc-chat

[obsidian wigeon]

unless you like torture and use light mode

[plucky timber]

lol

[obsidian wigeon]

i often see burn in being the most commonly caused by use of facebook and other social media apps that has white as default theme

or keyboards

i can literally see the outlines

my use case probably doesn't cause burn in too quickly since i have stuff moving constantly oftentimes

like yt mini player

[plucky timber]

So my stupid habit of only using discord and youtube is why i have no burn in

I have youtube on dark mode

[obsidian wigeon]

lol perfect

you're the people who can actually run oleds for a good while

[cyan ravine]

Use low brightness

[plucky timber]

I mean

[cyan ravine]

It's the best way to preserve

[plucky timber]

Not when I'm outside

[cyan ravine]

Well no

You can't always

But as much as you can makes it last

[obsidian wigeon]

should i be concerned about buying a 2-3 year old oled phone that hasn't burned in yet?

[plucky timber]

True

I wonder how much a oled replacement is

[obsidian wigeon]

uh

they're not cheap that's for sure

$100 for an oled

while ips is like half

[plucky timber]

OH MY GOD

Ok if it burns in

New phone time

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

i want s10 lites but so many has burn in

or already beginning to

[plucky timber]

Why do you think people are selling them

[obsidian wigeon]

samsung offers service for uh

$150

[plucky timber]

meh

[obsidian wigeon]

that's not including labor

[plucky timber]

I better start saving for my red magic

3 years oled

[obsidian wigeon]

that's like 100% of the cost for another s10 lite

[plucky timber]

💀

Problem is that I'll be moving into uni so uh

[obsidian wigeon]

my mom's oppo a94 already has obvious burn in

she constantly maxes brightness

[plucky timber]

Budget for anything goes bye bye

[obsidian wigeon]

uses alot of fb and line

i really want oled again

i probably should find immaculate examples of oled phones no older than 2-3 years

i had a refurb v30 once, it had no burn in

but ofc crappy job with installing the screen

i hope to use a phone 3 more years after buying it used

[harsh tinsel]

Just did a new build. Everything lights up, aio, fans works, gpu etc. USBs don't work and no gpu signal.

Thoughts?

[rain carbon]

Im curious, how much performance am i sacrificing with the Ryzen 5 7600 in this build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jHRByg

[plucky timber]

Depends on the game

But probably not as much as you think

[rain carbon]

I just dont want any bottlenecking issues

[plucky timber]

pfff

Bottlenecking isn't as big as a problem as you think it is

There will always be bottleneck one way or another

[rain carbon]

Lol alright, ill take your word for it

[plucky timber]

For gaming you usually want to prioritise your gpu over cpu

You'll get more performance with this over a more powerful cpu but weaker gpu

[analog hearth]

don't remind me about the overuse of the word "bottleneck" in 2017-2018

[plucky timber]

Bottleneck also depends on the workload

For games it varies wildly from game to game

[rain carbon]

Alrighty, good to know

[plucky timber]

Actually a good question for me to ask would be

[rain carbon]

I dont have very heavy knowledge in computers so i appreciate this type of info

[plucky timber]

What type of games do you play?

[rain carbon]

Oh uhh valheim, battlefield 1, Monster hunter rise, hollow knight, rain world etc

Ark

Just things i can think of off the top of my head

[plucky timber]

Uh

I'm just gonna strike ark from the list

That game just runs bad

[rain carbon]

Oop fair

[plucky timber]

Valheim might lean towards cpu?

But BF1 definitely leans towards gpu

[rain carbon]

Valheim runs awfully on my other devices so it was what i was a bit more worried about

[plucky timber]

Not sure about mhw

[plucky timber]

Early access game so

[rain carbon]

Yee true

[plucky timber]

But yeah it's a case-by-case basis

[gentle pollen]

There's always a bottleneck. Question is how big.

[plucky timber]

But typically for AAA games you want more gpu performance

[gentle pollen]

And that bottleneck can vary depending on the application as well so it really comes down to your use case which is why people often ask what the pc is being used for

[rain carbon]

Ofc, thats what i was more curious about if it was any bit large with my set up

[plucky timber]

But yeah you got a pretty well rounded build so

[rain carbon]

Im sure a rx 7800 will have no problem then right

[gentle pollen]

For example, I use a lot of CPU heavy work apps that's why I run a 7950x3D with a 3070 of all things lmao.

[plucky timber]

Doesn't that beat a 4070 lol?

[rain carbon]

Wait does it?

I thought it was more comparable to a 3080

[gentle pollen]

It's the middle-ground between a 4070 and 4080.

Assuming what you play does not benefit from cuda.

[rain carbon]

Ill be a dumb a sec and ask what cuda is

[gentle pollen]

Cuda cores, it's a specific type of core that Nvidia gpus have and apps that take advantage of it get a lot more performance from nvidia vs amd

[plucky timber]

I'd say between 4070 and 4070ti

[gentle pollen]

Which is why people who use Blender simply should never use a AMD gpu.

[plucky timber]

But nobody should get the 4070ti anyways since the 7900XT exists

[gentle pollen]

Because the performance gap is enormous.

[rain carbon]

Ah well i dont work with 3d modeling or rendering so ill be fine

[plucky timber]

I mean

[gentle pollen]

My favorite example of Cuda dominance in work apps is when a 7900XTX performs worse then a 3070 lmao.

[rain carbon]

I did hear there was a raytracing diff tho

[gentle pollen]

If you care for ray-tracing I recommend 40 series Nvidia but most people don't.

[rain carbon]

I dont really no

It looks nice but im not forking over the extra cash

[gentle pollen]

Then I suggest going AMD since it's cheaper.

I am a nut for visuals (as my eyes are slowly going blind) so I usually fork over the extra cash to see better visuals while I can.

[plucky timber]

Radeon's been catching up lately

[rain carbon]

I love visuals but im already way far above my budget

[gentle pollen]

Tbf, to Boeing's point 7000s AMD is on par with 30 series Nvidia ray-tracing wise.

[plucky timber]

Trying to find a benchmark that compares blender

[gentle pollen]

Yeah no worries, was just stating my own opinion. Do what you can/want.

[plucky timber]

But for most use case radeons are either on par or better than nvidias for the same price

[rain carbon]

Oh no youre fine, i was just throwing mine in there as well

Im a visuals snob too

Just a broke one

[gentle pollen]

But yeah if you are just gaming, especially at 1440P or higher, 7600x should be fine.

[rain carbon]

I got a 1440p monitor in the mail and im stoked

[plucky timber]

https://www.youtube.com/live/78ZJue5q7Fo?si=ItrbiarkPWsHgz1_

Here's an interesting benchmark

Nvidias do beat radeons a lot on average

At least in blender

[gentle pollen]

7900xtx is = to a 3070 in Blender.

In most work apps the gap is not as big anymore but yeah Nvidia if you do work apps.

[plucky timber]

Yeah

Radeon's been closing the gap a lot for most workloads

[rain carbon]

I also remembered hearing multicore performance being more important for 3d modeling and rendering than single core

[plucky timber]

So for most use case you will get better value for your money

[gentle pollen]

yes

[plucky timber]

yes

for games it's single core

[rain carbon]

Yee which is why i got the processor i did, i was initially just wondering if it was too weak overall

[plucky timber]

But for stuff like blender you want good multi core as well

[plucky timber]

It's not weak by any means

Again depends on your workload

[rain carbon]

Emphasis on initially

[plucky timber]

If you lean towards more cpu heavy tasks the cpu might hinder performance

[rain carbon]

Ill probably have like 2 applications running at a time at most

[plucky timber]

Or one very cpu heavy game

I play paradox grand strategy games

They hammer my cpu to kingdom come

[gentle pollen]

I was able to run most games I like on a 5700g fine with discord and like 20 chrome tabs in the background you're fine lmao.

[rain carbon]

Lol

[gentle pollen]

Games will use at most on average like 3 cores.

So 7600x leaves with 3 other cores for whatever which is plenty.

[plucky timber]

Oh yeah

My paradox games also like single thread performance

Really annoying having 8 cores and not being able to use all of them

But games are games

[plucky timber]

3 very fast modern cores

[rain carbon]

This is my first high performance computer really, im used to playing on a crappy 500$ laptop that could barely run subnautica on low graphics

[gentle pollen]

Well I gotta go now, hope we were able to give you some insight.

[plucky timber]

my 5900HX can run word and a few chrome tabs even when I limit it to 7w

[rain carbon]

Definitely did, i appreciate it

[plucky timber]

They cram a lot of processing power into these little things

[manic cloak]

Somebody’s selling their used 7800xt nitro for 600$ on Facebook 💀

They’re asking for a gpu and cash

I’m gonna try to bargain with them tbh

[earnest olive]

ah yes, the year is 2021 and gpus are appreciating assets

[manic cloak]

I told them 6650xt and 250$ cash

That’s like.. 450$ tbh total cause I’ve been trying to get 200$ for my gpu.

I don’t even know if the nitro model is better than the pulse either

[earnest olive]

it is

nitro+ is generally sapphire's top model besides toxic which tends to only exist for the flagships

definitely doesn't make it worth 120% of MSRP used though

clown seller

gl "lowballing" him

[manic cloak]

Ya

It’s gonna be hard

I think 450$ would be solid though ig

What’s up with these new year better deals tf

I’m gonna flame him cause I asked why’s that

Some bs ngl

[earnest olive]

i wouldn't have even bothered messaging someone who has asking price above retail for a used card tbh

[manic cloak]

He’s charging more than MSRP 💀

Fr

He already had a 6700xt and 300$ offer :/

[earnest olive]

hopefully making it up

[manic cloak]

should I use a samsung 970 evo plus for holding files like family photos and etc?

or the p41 plus

and this ssd is gonna be like used for the longggg run

[weary galleon]

P41 is faster I think, also pcie 4 vs 3 on the 970

P41 is QLC, 970 is TLC

TLC can be more reliable

But tbh the p41 should last a very long time as well

[mossy venture]

Whichevers cheaper

[frigid jackal]

Yo my gpu and cpu fans turn on and allat but there’s no display to my monitors or any leds lighting up for my accessories, I just installed new ram as well so I’m imagining that’s the issue but when I went back to my@old ram@and installed it following a tutorial putting them@in 2 and 4 it still doesnt display or give power to my accessories

I have the hdmi and displayport connected to my GPU as well so that wouldn’t be an issue

Those cables at the bottom thag come grom the gpu have always bren disconnected as well

[potent portal]

Clear your cmos, it still has the settings of your old ram in bios which doesn't match the new set

?cmos

[frigid jackal]

?cmos

guat

[potent portal]

...

Bot is down I guess

[frigid jackal]

was that a command or somethjng lil

rip

[jolly river]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[potent portal]

Ah there it is

[frigid jackal]

okay thank you

my friend also said to try slots 1 and 3

should I do that afterwards?

in the cas erhat it still doesn’t work

[cursive wharf]

Scalping still has its benefits I suppose if there is at least one poor soul that doesnt know prices.

[potent portal]

no

If anything just slot 4

[frigid jackal]

alright

[frigid jackal]

In this case based on the image do you know where the battery would be?

[potent portal]

Sometimes it's hiding under the GPU

[frigid jackal]

would the gpu be considered a peripheral that I’d need to disconnect or is that just the mouse keyboard etc

[potent portal]

Peripherals plug into the computer, the GPU is an internal component

[frigid jackal]

ohh okay

would you recommend disconnecting trhe battery or using the humper method

I feel like I would be more comfortable disconnecting the battery but whichever way is most effective

[potent portal]

jumper is usually easier/faster

If you have one

[frigid jackal]

alright

I saw a video using a screwdriver but I assume that isn’t safe?

[potent portal]

Any conductive metal will work

Including a non coated screwdriver

[frigid jackal]

ohhh wait

I’m kind of dumb, so the jumper is the pins tjat are on the motherboard itself? not something that you’d use on it

[potent portal]

The whole idea is to short the capacitor that helps keep the data saved in bios to ground, so the power drains and settings get reset

Technically the pins would be called a jumper header but it's used interchangeably

[frigid jackal]

also based on this, wouldn’t putting in my old ram allow it to work just fine?

[potent portal]

Not if it saw the new memory and had a freakout

[frigid jackal]

ohhhhhhh

okay that makes sense

[potent portal]

Invalid memory config can corrupt all kinds of data, bios included

[frigid jackal]

computers so silly 😝😝

and this mat seem like a dumb question and wouldn’t even really matter in the long term but would yhis clear any like files on my ssd or anything like that

[potent portal]

Nope just bios settings

Maybe if you had one of those first gen SSDs that were literally RAM with a small battery and the battery was dead

(that would mean the drive is from the 80s though)

[frigid jackal]

LMAO

hopefully not

[frigid jackal]

would this be something I coulse use lol

[potent portal]

Looks like it's coated but you can try

I've used a butterknife before

[frigid jackal]

seems like its right beneath the gpu

I think i might have to take it out then

I can’t see the jumper things

could a mechanical pencil work to take it out lol

I’m also not sure which screws I need to remove or if I rven have a screwdriver for it

[potent portal]

The battery or the GPU?

[frigid jackal]

gpu

maybe it could also be on the outside?

[potent portal]

Looks to attach on the outside yes

[frigid jackal]

these four? mahbe

[potent portal]

On the right in that pic

I can see the base of the screws

[frigid jackal]

do you thinkn you could highlight them or something

[frigid jackal]

just those two?

[potent portal]

Yes

There will also probably be a plastic clip on the PCIe slot holding it in, just push it aside when you pull it out

[frigid jackal]

oh yeah

I was wondering if I can use a mechanical pencil with the eraser part

because I’ve seen what a flathead could do to the pins

[potent portal]

Give it a try if you need to

Now that I look closer it looks like that whole metal panel on the right slides away, probably has another screw holding it too

[frigid jackal]

this is the whole thing

or whatever is near the gou at least

[potent portal]

Yeah you'll need to loosen those thumb screws

[frigid jackal]

loosen or completely remove

[potent portal]

And then it slides to the right

Loosen, they look like they could be captive screws so they'd be hard to remove entirely anyway

[frigid jackal]

i pushed the clip fully but it hasn’t slid out

it seems like its stuck on the back

or maybe I didn’t push it in fully like ai thought

[potent portal]

The PCIe clip? It might be a pull instead of a push

It could also be hidden under the gpu

I've seen an older (bad) design that needed you to pull two tabs apart from opposite sides

[frigid jackal]

this is where it is at the top

top of the gpu*

I’m pretty sure it is push since it did loosen it a but more

and when I pushed the gpu back in it clicked

theres nothing else that looos like that anywhere else near the gpu

[potent portal]

Yeah that looks like one you push towards the motherboard

Did you unplug the gpu power

It might be in the way

[frigid jackal]

wouldn’t those black and sorta yellow cables be the power? closest to me

[potent portal]

Yeah here, the clip is on top

[frigid jackal]

oh so its still in the way even if its not near the pther clip?

[potent portal]

If you're feeling too much resistance pulling it out then it could be from tension on the power cable

[frigid jackal]

how do I removd the cable

with the clip

is there a certain why to like push it or pull it

[potent portal]

It's a pinch and pull

[frigid jackal]

Lrighty

yup that seemed to be the problem

I also don’t see any of the jumpers

[potent portal]

Battery method it is

[frigid jackal]

aleighty

[potent portal]

If you have a way to dust that out now is a great time to do so

A can of compressed air or an electric hand duster, not a vacuum

The dust is starting to work into the PCIe slot so you might start getting problems there

[frigid jackal]

dusted it out a while aho and before I installed the ram

just stuff stuck I guess

[frigid jackal]

does the positive side have to be in that exact position or could it be facing up like this?

put everything back and everything is working but still no display or RGB

red light also lights up nezt to ram@on motherboard

happened b4 and and nkw after

[strong raft]

All good. Positive of the battery is the whole "side". --- for no display, if hdmi wasn't used then try hdmi into gpu & restart pc.

[frigid jackal]

I used hdmi

I also restarted it twice

[strong raft]

Would try 1 ram stick at a time, see if ram debug led goes away

[frigid jackal]

before that I’m gonna try doing the smae process with the cmos again

because when I first uninstalled the gpu I still had my old ram insteas of the new one so I put the new one in and then yook out the battery

did it

and still nothing + I tried what you said

In both the 2 slot and 4 slot but im the 4 slot first

[potent portal]

It can take a few tries to successfully clear using the battery

[frigid jackal]

yeah I realize that now after I read the article again and also watched a s hort video

[frigid jackal]

ITS ON

RAHHH

I love you all

[crimson zinc]

They love you too

https://tenor.com/view/moti-hearts-gif-13397020563732153670

[brittle spindle]

guys my pc fan speed is 2229443

[gentle pollen]

Clearing CMOS can be iffy.

Sometimes takes me like 5 tries.

[dusky hearth]

5 tries?

how lmao

most i've had to do is 2 tries

and that is quite rare

basically every time it only takes one try

[potent portal]

I usually get it on the first go, I have a few tricks to speed it up and increase my odds. Occasionally takes 2.

[plucky timber]

How

Taking out the battery immediately erases everything

[potent portal]

There's capacitors that hold a charge still

[gentle pollen]

I've found that covering the whole pin not just the tips with my screwdriver usually gets the cmos cleared for me.

[potent portal]

If you have a jumper yes that's a good tip

[analog hearth]

bro has a jumper bit

[plucky timber]

I see

Usually i turn it on for a few seconds and then power it off before putting the battery back in

[nimble sinew]

Oh boy. Back at it again with another PC build

[mossy venture]

Needing a list, or putting one together rn?

[nimble sinew]

I'm crying on the inside

Corsair RM1000x should be fine for a 3070 TI right?

It's more or less me trying to upgrade what I currently have. I believe my PSU is too weak to run the new components I got.

But now part of me is wondering if I should just go all the way and get a 3090 if I'm getting a 1000w PSU XD

[leaden mauve]

Definitely

Thats way more than enough

[nimble sinew]

Okay, because I am currently using a 750w, and it isn't strong enough 😦

[plucky timber]

Uh

Pretty sure a 750w is enough if you got a 3070ti

And like

Have you already bought the 3070ti?

[nimble sinew]

Yeah!

First thing I got 😄

[plucky timber]

Use case?

And did you buy it new?

[nimble sinew]

Brand new

EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 Ultra Gaming

[plucky timber]

Oh boy

How much was it?

[nimble sinew]

$800

[plucky timber]

HOLY

Us market? And USD?

[nimble sinew]

Yeah

[plucky timber]

I'm sorry but

Are you only gaming on it?

Because you can get a 7900XT for less

[nimble sinew]

I game so hard on it!

And rendering 😄

[plucky timber]

wait

[nimble sinew]

But only occasionally

[plucky timber]

When did you buy it?

[nimble sinew]

ooh

let me check

[plucky timber]

ohhhhhh you bought it a year or two ago?

Ok makes a lot more sense

[nimble sinew]

yeah

back in 2022

[plucky timber]

I thought you bought it now hahaha

[nimble sinew]

this one went unused for a bit

XD

[plucky timber]

Yeah that's covid pricing

[nimble sinew]

Yeahhhhhh

Which SUCKED

[plucky timber]

I was like "wtf did this guy just buy a 3070ti in 2024 for $800"

[nimble sinew]

oh heck no

[plucky timber]

lol

[nimble sinew]

I'd buy a 3090 used for $800

[plucky timber]

Consider a 7900XT

[nimble sinew]

After looking more at my PC layout

I think the quantity of RGB is my downfall

When I plug it into this computer is when it has issues

I'm just so confused as to why it hates this PC

[plucky timber]

Probably improper configuration

I don't bother with rgb usually

A full rgb config for me is like half way to a better cpu

[nimble sinew]

Like, I think I have it right on the cusp of maxed out

the PSU is probably the oldest part of this computer.

[plucky timber]

What psu is it?

Maybe you just have too many strips plugged into one hub

And it's not getting enough power

[nimble sinew]

It's a Corsair RM750X

[plucky timber]

Not a bad psu

[nimble sinew]

maybe?

but this one was bought in 2017

[plucky timber]

cpu?

[nimble sinew]

so 6 years old?

3800xt

[plucky timber]

?

[pseudo pollen]

Odd cpu

[plucky timber]

Oh

Ryzen

[nimble sinew]

yeah

[pseudo pollen]

Yea

[plucky timber]

Shouldn't max out the psu

[crimson zinc]

I’d consider getting a replacement soon

[nimble sinew]

on psu?

[plucky timber]

750w is plenty

[crimson zinc]

Ye

[plucky timber]

I mean

[nimble sinew]

like

[crimson zinc]

I’m talking cuz of it being 6 y/o

[plucky timber]

I think you're being too hasty

[nimble sinew]

part of me is wondering if it has deteriorated

and is running closer to 650

[crimson zinc]

You’re fine for a while, but I’d rather stay safe

[plucky timber]

Are we even sure that the psu is the problem?

[nimble sinew]

It's either the PSU or the GPU

[plucky timber]

It's not unlikely but better make sure before spending $100

so what are the issues?

Or rather, the symptoms

[nimble sinew]

when GPU throttles up monitor goes into power saving mode and computer throws a 0x0000116 error

BSOD

[plucky timber]

Have you tried ddu?

[nimble sinew]

Yes

[plucky timber]

There is a possibility that it's a driver issue

hmm

Any overclocking?

On any part?

[nimble sinew]

Yes, on memory

I did undo it

[plucky timber]

It could be memory

[nimble sinew]

And went to stock

[plucky timber]

Unstable memory ocs have been known to mess up windows installs

Have you tried reinstalling windows?

[nimble sinew]

yes

I have also done a memory check

[plucky timber]

After undoing the memory oc?

[nimble sinew]

yes

[plucky timber]

Did you reset it or fresh install it?

[nimble sinew]

both.

I've been at this for a few days XD

[plucky timber]

Did you wipe all the windows partitions when you fresh installed?

Like the recovery and efi?

[nimble sinew]

I just put in a fresh unused nvme drive

[plucky timber]

Oh

So you installed windows on a fresh drive

hm ok

[nimble sinew]

Yep

[plucky timber]

Fascinating

[nimble sinew]

still issues

It's crazy, all the parts work everywhere else EXCEPT when assembled into this one PC

[plucky timber]

Hmm

Have you tried to reset cmos?

[nimble sinew]

Yes

[plucky timber]

Bios update?

[nimble sinew]

Yes!

See why I'm confused?

[plucky timber]

hmmmm

It sounds like a memory issue but yeah I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a psu issue

[nimble sinew]

That's why I've been freaking out

I don't understand why it would be the PSU honestly.

[plucky timber]

It's not impossible

[crimson zinc]

Maybe poor delivery?

[nimble sinew]

Maybe!

[plucky timber]

The RMx are usually fairly reliable units

But it has been in use for 6 years

So there is the possibility of degradation

[nimble sinew]

That's what I'm thinking

[plucky timber]

But at the same time it could also be something else

This is very strange

So you've only overclocked the ram and nothing else?

[nimble sinew]

correct

[plucky timber]

hmmm

How long did you stress test the ram after undoing the oc?

[nimble sinew]

10 minutes

[plucky timber]

Oh that's nowhere near enough

[obsidian wigeon]

memory issue doesn't cause shut downs

[plucky timber]

I'd run it for an hour at least

[obsidian wigeon]

it's crashes, errors and bsods

[plucky timber]

It did BSOD

[nimble sinew]

0x0000116

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

[plucky timber]

What was it again?

Was it testmem5 or memtest86

The memory testing utility?

[nimble sinew]

memtest86

[plucky timber]

Yeah

I'd run that again for an hour minimum

Sometimes it takes a while before it starts to pick up errors

Run it for a few more hours to be certain

One hour is still on the low end of memory stress tests

[nimble sinew]

I'll give it a try

[potent portal]

Both, memtest86 used to be good but it's only ok for a quick test now. If it catches an error something is really wrong. TM5 is better on modern, fast systems when you load custom profiles like anta777 extreme.

[plucky timber]

ah

Good to know

[obsidian wigeon]

testmem 5 is better now ye

mt86 is ooold

[plucky timber]

So yeah @nimble sinew, run testmem5 for a few hours

[cursive wharf]

YCruncher on VST config is usually better no?

[potent portal]

That tends to stress the memory controller a lot so it's good for full system overclocking

Especially fclk and memory speed plus cpu

[nimble sinew]

Also, not sure if this helps. I ran a cinebench on CPU and it did great, but crashed immediately on gpu.

I'm going to run a memory test, and then hijack one of these other PSUs XD

[manic cloak]

is the samsung 980 SSD any good for long term storage?

I couldn't get the 970 evo plus

[plucky timber]

Samsung's SSD releases have gotten really mediocre since the 970s

[lyric thistle]

It's an SSD I believe

It might even hold storage

[dusky hearth]

Long term storage in what sense

[silent thistle]

Yo where do I go for troubleshooting?

Like I just built one and it says no signal on my monitor

[vague oracle]

Did you plug into the GPU?

[dusky hearth]

Putting data on the drive on a PC that will be turned on occasionally?
Putting data on the drive and taking it out of the system as cold storage for more than a year?
Storing data for 10+ years?
Cheap storage for large amounts of data?

[silent thistle]

Plugged in GPU, I’ll write the specs rq

[dusky hearth]

If it is anything asides from the first one, then no, it is not good for those

[silent thistle]

Ryzen 9, ROG Strix 8650E-F motherboard, 4060 Ti GPU, 32GB RAM, 2TB M.2 space, Water cooling kit.
I plugged in everything, fans turn on, lights on the motherboard and gpu light up, but nothing on the monitor. It says PCIE 5.0 ready on the motherboard so I don’t think I have to flash the bios

[obsidian wigeon]

Any debug leds lit?

They're on the right side of the board

Usually upper right

[dusky hearth]

It saying "PCIe 5.0 ready" has nothing to do with whether you need to flash the bios or not

[silent thistle]

Orange light?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah

[dusky hearth]

Though you also probably don't need to flash the bios prob

[silent thistle]

Yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

Anything not rgb

Which one is lit?

[silent thistle]

It was sold in a bundle so I doubt it

[obsidian wigeon]

CPU, DRAM, VGA, Boot?

[silent thistle]

CPU or DRAM

[obsidian wigeon]

If it's dram I would wait for a few mins

[dusky hearth]

Bundles can be...... Wack lmao
I've seen bundles with incompatible ram and mobo

[obsidian wigeon]

ddr5 takes time to memory train

[silent thistle]

I have DDR5 what does that mean

[obsidian wigeon]

Ram type

[silent thistle]

No like

[dusky hearth]

It's the 5th generation of ddr

[silent thistle]

Memory train

[obsidian wigeon]

Ah it's for the board to train the ram at rated speed

Then once it's done it will start booting

[silent thistle]

so I just need to wait

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah

If waiting doesn't work, we'll get onto another step to troubleshoot

[manic cloak]

Well it’s more like holding baby photos. Likely it’ll either stay in my pc, go inside an NVME external enclosure or the box after we transfer the photos onto it

[dusky hearth]

It it doesn't show any display after 5 mins then maybe there is an issue

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[manic cloak]

But it’s on the tiktok shop

36.99, 40% off it’s around like 28$ for a TB

[silent thistle]

Okay I can’t send a photo but I can’t tell if the light is cpu or ram

[manic cloak]

I tried getting the 970 evo plus cause of dram

But it sold out

[obsidian wigeon]

I paid $26 for muh 1tb

Not sammy drive

But mp33

[obsidian wigeon]

Send it my way

[manic cloak]

well I think the m450 also is 25$ but I don’t wanna get that tbh

It’s like.. low end 👁️ 👁️

[dusky hearth]

If it's storing irreplaceable data like that, you should store it in both the cloud and a HDD tbh
Less likely for bitrot to occur

[obsidian wigeon]

for storage a dramless ssd is fine

but for long term hdd is better

there's programs that refreshes data on flash storage tho

that helps prevent bit rot

[nimble sinew]

I'm lame and I use 2 4tb external drives that are duplicates of each other for long term storage.

[silent thistle]

Sent

[manic cloak]

soo get an actusl hard drive

[obsidian wigeon]

@silent thistle So I looked over, it's indeed dram led that is lit

[dusky hearth]

Well, if they're putting it in a external enclosure like they said, it would be in cold storage so there's no refreshing

[obsidian wigeon]

Wait for 5 mins

If it doesn't work, something is definitely wrong

[silent thistle]

Is it possible the ram is backwards

[obsidian wigeon]

No

[nimble sinew]

no

[obsidian wigeon]

Ram is keyed to only go in one way

[dusky hearth]

Hdd is better for cold storage
Tape is even better, but much more expensive

[nimble sinew]

there's a slot in the ram where it connects to the motherboard so you can only put it in one way.

[obsidian wigeon]

Oh external storage

An hdd would be good

ssd I don't trust cold storage with

[manic cloak]

It’s likely gonna be in my PC or back in the box in some drawer tbh

[obsidian wigeon]

hdd it is

[manic cloak]

It’s not gonna be in some safe on the ground in the basement

[dusky hearth]

Cold storage means not connected to a computer or electricity

[silent thistle]

As in I can only put it in one way or it works going in both ways

[dusky hearth]

So putting it in a drawer also counts

[manic cloak]

Sh

Ah

[obsidian wigeon]

The latter

Sorry, former lol

Ram only goes in one way

Flip it around it won't physically fit

[dusky hearth]

Honestly just store it in Google drive or smth lmao
15gb free

I doubt you have 15gb of baby photos

[manic cloak]

HAPPY NEW YEARSSS

[obsidian wigeon]

google drive or dropbox

they're all free

[dusky hearth]

I do recommend having a copy of the data on a HDD at home as well though, just in case for whatever reason Google or Dropbox has data loss

It shouldn't happen but why risk it

[obsidian wigeon]

same

[silent thistle]

Is it possible I put it on 2 and 4 and not 1 and 3

[obsidian wigeon]

Ah, that's a possibility

[dusky hearth]

2 and 4 is correct

[obsidian wigeon]

Most boards want 2 and 4 tho

[silent thistle]

As long as it has a space?

[dusky hearth]

Yeah, for dual channel

[obsidian wigeon]

^

Maybe try a cmos reset if it refuses to boot

Take off the small coin battery, make sure pc is unplugged and power button is held for 30 secs after cmos batt is removed

[dusky hearth]

It's a new build so the CMOS theoretically shouldnt be storing anything that would cause no display... Though if it's not hard to do a quick reset

[obsidian wigeon]

Ye ofc

[dusky hearth]

Does the board have a CMOS reset jumper or button

[obsidian wigeon]

A strix definitely does have cmos jumper

[silent thistle]

Small coin battery

Idk if that answers anything

[dusky hearth]

It doesnt

[obsidian wigeon]

looks like this

[silent thistle]

Yep

[obsidian wigeon]

you want to remove it for cmos reset, the ol reliable way

[silent thistle]

Would it say in the manual somewhere if it’s a button or a jumper

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

it will

[silent thistle]

actually I think I saw instructions for a cmos reset somewhere

[dusky hearth]

Button would be the easiest method but not many boards have it

Only like, high end oc boards have them

At least from what I've seen

Even though it probably only adds like 3 cents to the bill of materials lmao

Probably not even

[silent thistle]

It’s with a jumper

[manic cloak]

any recommended HDDs then

[obsidian wigeon]

wd

[silent thistle]

Is the cmos header the same as clearing rtc ram

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

it's another word for cmos reset

[silent thistle]

K

Yeah it’s with a jumper

[dusky hearth]

WD blue or whatever
Use a filesystem like ext4/ext3 or exfat or smth like that, so that future systems can read it, as well as use quickpar to create parity data to recover files from bitrot

And have more than one copy of the data, which I would recommend using a cloud service for

I'm gonna go sleep now

[silent thistle]

Can I send a photo of my ram to someone and have them check it

[prisma hearth]

can i get recommendations for a new aio cooler? i had a msi mag core 240r i think and i was getting 95 cpu package temp and 85 cpu temp

[silent thistle]

I heard the artic water freeze II was a good one but I’m not the one to ask

[obsidian wigeon]

which cpu

[prisma hearth]

ryzen 7 5700 g

[obsidian wigeon]

okay that doesn't look too good

i would get frozen notte

or go for an air cooler if you don't mind

[prisma hearth]

okay

[crimson zinc]

no time to explain, from the hit mmorpg destiny 2?

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[tawny violet]

IK'm browsing Alza's prebuilts and
Holy mother of God why would anyone want to slap a 1500w PSU to a~
Oh wait 13900K, explains it all

Intel Core i9-13900K
Asus TUF Gaming Z790-PLUS WiFi
Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 24GB
"96 GB DDR5 6400 MHz KIT"
2× Samsung 980 PRO 2 TB
NZXT Kraken 360
Corsair HX1500i
Fractal Design North Charcoal Black TG Dark
Windows 11 Pro

For the low-low price of almost 5 grand USD

(unironically not even that overpriced considering that the cheapest new 4090 costs 2400 USD here)

[cyan ravine]

it started well

peaked at the ram

fell into a hole of terrible purchase decisions

re-emerged the other side with the psu

[tawny violet]

I mean

considering that the 4090 alone is literally half the budget of the whole rig

I don't think it's absolutely awful

again, I'm not claiming it's a good value build

But it is not in fact awful

[cyan ravine]

I'm not really either

but no one should buy a Kraken or 980 pro in 2023 or 2024

like

ever

if you're gonna spend kraken money get a cooler master atmos or EK nucleus, Deepcool LS/LT, Thermalriight frozen edge

plenty of way better options near or below that

and 980 pro was raught with the read-only scandal

just sits in the forever avoid tier imo

[little osprey]

Uhhh, Liquid Freezer II exist…

[grand geyser]

With that chip, I'd want more motherboard than the ASUS TUF Z790-PLUS.

[tawny violet]

I believe Samsung fixed it?...

I read something about a firmware update coming out like in 5 days coming out from the story breaking

[tawny violet]

Yea I never said it was perfect, I'm just sharing what I found

Also Felix I believe Alza might have a ton of spare inventory of 980 Pros and Kraken coolers

[grand geyser]

Samsung did indeed come out with a fix.

[tawny violet]

hence using them

Well that's a good thing I suppose

[cyan ravine]

Meh, maybe

[cyan ravine]

Still doesn't make it a good buy either way

[tawny violet]

I suppose not at MSRP

[cyan ravine]

They'd need to be below the price of an mp33 before I'd change my mind completely

Kinda like

A750 Arc

Good card but I'd recommend it to like 5% of people

If at that

[tawny violet]

Speaking of

MP33 good?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

If you're not doing anything file intensive like video editing or torrenting daily then MP33 is good for almost anyone else

[flat anchor]

Why some people criticize 4060 rtx

[cyan ravine]

Cos it's not good value

If Nvidia dropped some 15-20% off their whole 40 series range bar the 4070 Ti

A LOT of people would be nicer about 40 series in general

[flat anchor]

Or Ti?

[cyan ravine]

4060 Ti is arguably the worst new gen card to date

To give you some insight, that card (especially the 16gb variant) was reviewed so badly, the price was dropped within weeks of it coming out

Japan saw a grand total of 2 people across the country bother to buy one on release day

This stuff was all over the news

Both variants are terrible. 3060 Ti has advertised for sub-$300 before and is within single digits of a 4060 Ti

[mossy venture]

Honestly I think 4060 takes that prize

4060 ti is ass value compared to 30 series and 6000/7000 series, but its still 30% better than the 4060 at only $70-80 or so more

[cyan ravine]

4060 is uncomfortably close to a 4060Ti and it's 300

[mossy venture]

Is it? From what I've seen it barely beats the 3060 12gb

[cyan ravine]

Sorry I'm wrong

Doesn't make it good tho

[mossy venture]

Oh 100%

Both are terrible value

But I think 4060 is just worse value

[cyan ravine]

Compared to a 6700xt ye

Relative to nvidia tho I wouldn't call it the worst

4060 ti 16gb 1000% takes that prize

[mossy venture]

I forget there's a 16gb model because of how bad of an idea it was

[cyan ravine]

Yes the one that immediately tanked in price

[mossy venture]

Cheapest is $450

8gb is 385

4070 is $80 more than 4060 ti 16gb rn lmao

For what, 25% more perf?

[cyan ravine]

Nearly 30% yeah

God that's a bad look

Lmfao

[mossy venture]

I lied it's $85

[cyan ravine]

And even then 4070 is not attractive to me at all

[mossy venture]

100%

[cyan ravine]

Not the worst of them but there's a good 4 better options before it

Including a used 3080

[mossy venture]

Well used high 30/6000 series in general, 6800xt, 7800xt, 4070 ti and 7900xt would all be my choices before it

[cyan ravine]

Yeah there's just way too much better value

I hate that the 4070ti is supposedly discontinuing

[mossy venture]

6800xt is up to $480 new, 7800xt $510

[mossy venture]

I just don't know why nvidia is doing what they're doing

[cyan ravine]

They won't let us keep that reasonable choice

[mossy venture]

They should have made the 4070 ti the 4070 super

[cyan ravine]

Cos amd better in raster

[mossy venture]

Just their naming scheme and whatever the hell they're doing with the refresh is so stupid

There's no way it's cheaper to release two entire new skus instead of cutting prices by $50

[cyan ravine]

4070 super, 4070 ti super, 4080 super all backpedal responses to 7800XT, 7900XT and 7900 XTX all being faster in raster

3090 Ti and 3080 12gb were the same thing

2080 super, 2070 super, 2060 super

Nvidia can't stand to lose the raster crown

[mossy venture]

2080 super too?

[cyan ravine]

Yes

[mossy venture]

2080 alr edged out the 5700xt tho

[cyan ravine]

The whole super lineup is nvidia panicking

Yes but the 3090 ti smashed all other cards too

As the 2080ti

It's all backpedaling

[little osprey]

I'm looking for a 1.1k PC for gaming not intentions on overclocking, PC Prebuilt or PC list.

[cyan ravine]

@little osprey
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XRkjqR

[vital magnet]

i know this will sound dumb but can i run water cooling and fans in my build or should it be or the other?

[cyan ravine]

This is comparable but no wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MYHRqR

[cyan ravine]

Water cooling still uses fans

The difference between water and air cooling is water uses radiators and pumps to cool the cpu down, whereas air uses heat pipes and fins to cool the cpu down

Both use fans

[mossy venture]

SONICCCCC

[cyan ravine]

Sonic where

[mossy venture]

Oof price is up to 170

Went up over night

[cyan ravine]

SEGAAAA

[mossy venture]

No reason to go intel except for budget builds then rn

If needing wifi anyways

[vital magnet]

so the case im getting can hold up to 360mm radiator support in the top/front panel or i could do 10 x 120mm fans or 6 x 140mm fans plus 1 x 120mm fan and not sure what route to go

[cyan ravine]

I don't wanna shut down your dreams lad but send us your budget and needs and we can make it for you lol

[mossy venture]

The thing is, having that many fans isn't really helpful

[cyan ravine]

I can say at the least a large majority of cpu's don't need a 360mm aio

[mossy venture]

If you want a lot of fans, get 3x 3 packs of c12c and a fan hub

$39 for 9 great fans

Just beyond a certain point adding more fans doesn't help anything

9 fans as opposed to 4 you'll have maybe a few degrees lower Temps

Assuming you're looking for black/rgb, I'd do something like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dMbwCd

[cyan ravine]

It's cheaper to do itx now for am5

$30 p200a lol

[vital magnet]

really tryna keep the budget between $1,500-$1,800. Right now i got in my cart is the ryzen 7 7800x3d 8-core processor, Radeon RX 7800 XT, Corsair 32gb RAM and a Samsung 250GB Internal state drive. I haven’t picked out the motherboard or power supply yet

[cyan ravine]

Ok 1500-1800

[mossy venture]

For $1800 you can fit a 7900xtx easily

[cyan ravine]

Three questions

[mossy venture]

What are you using the pc for

[cyan ravine]

^#1

[mossy venture]

Also specifically, please do not buy that ram or ssd

[vital magnet]

gaming and streaming

[cyan ravine]

#2 wifi yes or no

[mossy venture]

250gb ssds are pointless

[vital magnet]

yes

[mossy venture]

1tb is $50, and a better ssd doesn't help you for gaming/streaming

[cyan ravine]

#3 monitor mouse keyboard* in that budget?

[vital magnet]

10-4

[mossy venture]

?

Oh

[vital magnet]

i already have a monitor and mkb

[cyan ravine]

Ok easy

[mossy venture]

Corsair does something with their ddr5 that makes it worse than other brands, and corsair tends to have overpriced ram/aios

[cyan ravine]

Yeah 7900xtx build easily

One min

[mossy venture]

Their psus and cases can be solid, depending on price

[mossy venture]

What monitor do you have?

[vital magnet]

acer 27’ 1440 240hz

[mossy venture]

Nice

And do you want rgb?

[cyan ravine]

Boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JVWf28

[mossy venture]

And what case were you looking at? It might not be the best option, but I'll either use it or one with a similar aesthetic

[cyan ravine]

1800 maxed

[vital magnet]

doesn’t matter to me, my current set up is kinda white and blue so i’d like something to match

[cyan ravine]

There's no budget left for rgb lol

[mossy venture]

Will do

[vital magnet]

SZD S590 Mid ATX Gaming PC Case, 270° Full View Seamless Tempered Glass Front & Side Panels, 360mm Radiator Support, High-Airflow Dual-Chamber Computer Tower Case (White)

[mossy venture]

Sad adata premium went up

[mossy venture]

Could you link it?

[cyan ravine]

Oh it's an o11 clone

King95 could be possible but you wouldn't fit 7800x3d

Or XTX

You'd take a slight perf hit

[vital magnet]

SZD S590 Mid ATX Gaming PC Case, 270° Full View Seamless Tempered Glass Front & Side Panels, 360mm Radiator Support, High-Airflow Dual-Chamber Computer Tower Case (White) https://a.co/d/gD4bxtk

[mossy venture]

Alright this is targeting aesthetics
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZMVDmD

[cyan ravine]

I'd pick a different board in that case

[mossy venture]

This is with a black gpu, but otherwise targeting aestheitcs
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f6DJN6

[cyan ravine]

And you need fans

[mossy venture]

Atx?

Would king95 look better with an matx board?

It's the same price

[mossy venture]

Also what do you think of this one?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gY26Mp/phanteks-nv5-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-nv523tg_dmw01

[cyan ravine]

Atx ye

It's kinda in full view

[vital magnet]

looks clean

[cyan ravine]

Like this is better looking

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cTMwCd

[mossy venture]

Does nv5 look fine with an matx board, if you know?

[cyan ravine]

But huge performance sacrifices

No atx

I'd aim for like

O11 mini or mini air

[mossy venture]

Well I'll link this, and you can change around as you'd like for case. Any of the ones mentioned would work, just look around at some images of finished builds and such and decide from there
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8sprwg

[cyan ravine]

Gonna really stress this, you'll be losing a good amount of performance if you deviate at all from this first one
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JVWf28

[mossy venture]

Yeah 7800x3d is what, 20% better than 7600?

[cyan ravine]

I would actually make the argument that an extra $100 budget stretch would make a world of a difference

Get the aesthetics and pretty much max it out

Not quite enough at 1800

[cyan ravine]

Depends but non x3d to x3d is about 10-15% on average

[mossy venture]

You can make it white for same specs, but not the same aesthetic you wanted
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gJw76D

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kK7v28

Just slightly over 100 you get the o11 style case like the s590

[vital magnet]

end of the day aesthetic isn’t the most important, for my first pc and build i can’t be too picky

[cyan ravine]

Ooo Jonsboooo

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CFXnN6

Sorry wrong gpu there I fixed it

Jonsbo d30's are cool

They're like tiny o11's

[tawny violet]

Any other recommendations?

[cyan ravine]

M450, z44L, ud90, Mp34 pro, a60(if on sale, normally is)

[tawny violet]

cuz apparently the MP33 is just plain not available

[cyan ravine]

If you're willing then, this would be my choice of the lot
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8DZFYN

Fastest gaming cpu, fastest gpu (not costing a fortune like a 4090)

And small footprint pc too

P200A for $30 is ridiculous imo, a decent case and can look amazing if you buy psu cable replacements

[tawny violet]

MP44L?

[cyan ravine]

Yeah that's decent

[tawny violet]

Cool

[mossy venture]

At that price tho I'd spend the extra $18 for nv5, for the aesthetic they wanted

[cyan ravine]

Don't spend more than like, 5 over the others tho for it

[cyan ravine]

I didn't even realise nv5 has a glass front lmao

[mossy venture]

lol

Yeah I like the nv5, just wish it came with fans

[cyan ravine]

What the heck 850w
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9bw76D

[mossy venture]

$110 fanless case is sad

[cyan ravine]

Could do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qrYLbL

Then get cablemod e-series cables

Full psu cable replacements instead of extensions

[tawny violet]

is there a point to having a 7700(X)?

instead of a 7600 or a 7800X3D

not specifically for gaming, more for general computing

[cyan ravine]

Ofc

Just not often it comes up

Or more the point that intel is usually the better idea

[tawny violet]

I found another interesting getup

Processor:
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Mobo:
MSI Pro B650-P WIFI
Memory:
2x16 Kingston Fury Beast 5600MHz DDR5
Cooler:
be quiet! DARK ROCK PRO 5
GPU:
Gigabyte Gaming OC RX 7900 XTX 24GB GDDR6
SSD:
1TB Kingston NV2
Case:
be quiet! Pure Base 500DX TG Black
PSU:
850W ASUS ROG STRIX GOLD
Operating system:
"Installed, ready to use Windows 10 Pro trial version"

For 930k HUF (2780 USD)

bozos don't even include an OEM Windows key lmao

[analog hearth]

bro could afford a top-end PC but couldn't afford Windows

[tawny violet]

Probably because it's a "prebuilt" made by a used hardware shop

[analog hearth]

ahhh gotcha

lol

[tawny violet]

so I assume they're just not contracted with Microsoft to get OEM keys

what why did I get automodded

what did I say???

maybe GTwoA?

Yep

Makes sense

Anyhow

It's incredibly cringe of them to not just get an OEM Windows key and activate the damn thing once you're asking for 3 months' pay for a PC

[analog hearth]

I mean there's ways (that I won't say here) to get Windows for free

[little osprey]

I'm looking for a 1.2 to 1.3k PC for gaming not intentions on overclocking, PC list.

[mossy venture]

Do you care about aesthetics

Do you need wifi, or are you using ethernet

And do you have preferences for nvidia, amd or intel?

Also do you need a monitor? If you already have one, what resolution is it

@little osprey

[little osprey]

Nope i don't care about aesthetics
using ethernet
nvidia
1080 res

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PKDJN6

And I'd recommend going to 1440p sometime in the near future imo

[little osprey]

alright thanks

[tawny violet]

And if you don't mind AMD
the 7800 XT is great value

[mossy venture]

You could also do a used/open box/refurbished 3080, 3070, or 3060 ti

[tawny violet]

same perf as the 4070 but like 150 USD cheaper

[mossy venture]

What?

7800xt is $10 less

For a little bit better perf

[tawny violet]

wait did it go up in price

Damn

[mossy venture]

It's been $490-510 since a few weeks after launch

4070 has been 530-550 for a good while

[tawny violet]

I guess it also depends on where you live (the 7800 XT is still significantly cheaper here than the 4070, but both are ~25% over MSRP here)

[stiff grove]

First time attempting to build, I wanted to invest a good bit into this with getting the graphics card i want, any input would be greatly appreciate a little nervous and dont wanna make this first and expensive build fail, Thanks for your time!! https://newegg.io/757a2c9

[mossy venture]

I would change most of it around, you really don't gain much spending that much on a build vs $3500 or so

Even 3500 is pushing it

What're you using the pc for?

[stiff grove]

Gaming mostly, wanted to start streaming with it and also have the legs to last for future game releases within reason

[mossy venture]

Alright sounds good, are you deadset on an lcd display aio for the cpu cooler?

[stiff grove]

It just looks cool and gives me some peace of mind at a quick glance, nothing i couldnt live without

[mossy venture]

Ok perfect, I'll make two options, one purely performance and one with your preferred aesthetic in mind

[stiff grove]

@mossy venture That is amazing thank you SO much!

[mossy venture]

Alright this is the one targeting aesthetics, the 7950x3d and 7800x3d provide the same gaming experience, no reason to spend the extra https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4m976D

The case can be changed around, it just depends what you like

I'd look at the nv5, nv7, o11 variants, and montech king 95 or whatever the name is

@stiff grove

Now I'll make the pure performance list

Well not pure performance, I kept the white aesthetic
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7rKcyg

If you've any questions feel free to ask, though I might not respond instantly

[stiff grove]

Both of these builds look so much better already both have the aesthetic theme going on awsome work @mossy venture cant thank you enough for the help again.

[mossy venture]

Ofc, anytime! One other thing, don't pay $100 for windows

You can either use inactivated for free with a water mark (annoying), get a license for $10-30, or if you've had a windows device in the past you can just sign into your Microsoft account, and it'll carry the previous license over

I've used the same license for like 4 laptops and 2 pcs lol

[earnest olive]

don't need a license to use arch

[mossy venture]

Sips should we make a command like ?cmos for windows license

[earnest olive]

I don't have the power to do that but I'll bring it up

[tawny violet]

@mossy venture AK620 Digital pog or pungent?

If someone wants a screen on their cooler and still get good perf
I guess it does the job well

[mossy venture]

It's solid

Depending on price

[tawny violet]

Ye

I've been eyeing the AG620 actually

It's like 10% cheaper than the AK

Just not as nice with looks (but still got 2 ARGB fans)

I don't know if there's any physical difference tho

[mossy venture]

Any dual tower from thermalright available there cheaper?

Aside from the silver soul line

[tawny violet]

Thermalright basically doesn't exist

[mossy venture]

You should make thermalright and become rich

[tawny violet]

Lol

But yeah

I found a (somewhat sketchy) site that has Peerless Assassins

Peerless Assassin 120 SE for 19k HUF

The AG620 is about 26

[brittle spindle]

What’s wrong with my fan speed

It’s going pretty fast

[runic spruce]

It’s going to start flying

[runic spruce]

Try resetting the software and installing the latest drivers, if that doesn’t work u could try reinstalling

If the correct fan speed is being read on msi afterburner or hwinfo64 it shouldn’t really matter what nvinfia software is reading

[runic spruce]

The software might just be misreading the speed or something

[crimson zinc]

NOT FAST ENOUGH
LET IT FLY

[fiery oriole]

im looking to build another PC i have a budget a 2500-3000USD what could i get that would be good in that price range

[dusky hearth]

"another PC" for someone else? Need it in some other location? Is your current PC old enough to need every part upgraded?

What will the PC be used fot

For

[fiery oriole]

my pc needs all parts upgraded and very old so i was going to build a brand new pc and it will be used only gaming

[fiery oriole]

^

[dusky hearth]

hmm lemme see

[dusky hearth]

how big of a factor is aesthetics

and do you want a regular sized pc or a small form factor pc

[mossy venture]

Do you plan to carry over storage?

Do you need wifi, are you just gaming, what monitor do you have or do you need a new one

Oh also do you care about aesthetics?

[fiery oriole]

regular

[fiery oriole]

yes, no, just gaming, i know which one im going to buy, and a little but not much

[mossy venture]

What monitor?

This is what I came up with
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wdhm7R

You might need to manually set the ram to 6000mhz instead of 6400, but it takes like 15 seconds extra

[crimson zinc]

I love that the 4090 is literally over half the entire price

God that thing is expensive