building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

Sorry to break it to you.

[little osprey]

Society is moving on, old man.

[weary galleon]

You might be able to find a cheap used cpu with at least 4 cores in the same socket as the 6100t

Get that and then start saving up for a fresh build

[primal linden]

Is the ssd supposed to be a little bent when screwed in

[stoic island]

M.2? If it looks too bent, you probably need the standoff

[leaden mauve]

Dude really called me an old man 😂😂

[stoic island]

Move on to x299 if you're not an old man

[leaden mauve]

I've already moved onto something far newer

[weary galleon]

Might need bios update for 8th/9th gen chips but even a 7th or 6th would be fine for a 1650
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/search/featurefilter.html

[stoic island]

You're too young now

[leaden mauve]

Dang I'm getting banned off discord again

[little osprey]

Is LGA1150 newer than AM3?

I forget.

[primal linden]

Should I try to screw it in not too much

[little osprey]

Shouldn’t be any tension, just enough so the drive touches the standoff.

[leaden mauve]

Yes

[little osprey]

I’ve moved onto newer things as well.

[leaden mauve]

Ah, X99 then

[little osprey]

Nah.

[little osprey]

Maybe.

[leaden mauve]

Ah, X299 then

[little osprey]

GA-Z97X-UD5H.

[leaden mauve]

There are many udh5's

[vague oracle]

DDR5>3

[little osprey]

i7-4790K.

[stoic island]

If it looks a little bent, doesn't matter, if it looks like you're bending your SSD in half, no don't

[leaden mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-looking-down-gif-7333648534605432939

[leaden mauve]

Oh yea I remember, you bought a z87 or 97 udh5

How has it been

[little osprey]

Free!

Still waiting for the goober to ship it.

[leaden mauve]

What

[little osprey]

You may know him.

[leaden mauve]

Wasn't that like 4 months ago

[little osprey]

No.

[leaden mauve]

Oh danny

[little osprey]

Yeah.

I need a LGA1150 cooler.

Dunno what to get.

[stoic island]

[little osprey]

Screw Noctua, I’m poor.

[stoic island]

A lot of coolers come with mounting kits for 115x

[leaden mauve]

Noctua is such poor value most of the time

[stoic island]

I'm still going to love noctua no matter what

[little osprey]

Thermalright is objectively better.

[leaden mauve]

Noctua shills are a different breed

[little osprey]

Hmmm, would a single tower cooler work!

[stoic island]

Just because I love noctua doesn't mean I'll recommend it based off price to performance

[leaden mauve]

🧐

[stoic island]

But if you have too much money to spend

Nh-u12a my beloved

[leaden mauve]

Water >

Air is for ding dongs

And goobers

[stoic island]

Passive >

[leaden mauve]

[stoic island]

Water is for goofy goobers

[leaden mauve]

Fire cooling >

[stoic island]

Nh-p1 time

[leaden mauve]

Ah yes I like my hardware running at 70-95C so my PC can be slightly quieter

[potent portal]

A lot of them are also compatible with FM2+ since it uses the same mounting as AM5

[little osprey]

Can’t afford a spare AIO.

[stoic island]

Me too

Please make my GPU stop screaming at me

[leaden mauve]

🗣️

[little osprey]

I like when I can keep my coffee warm while gaming.

[leaden mauve]

Can you guys guess what hardware I'm benching right now

👴👴👴

[little osprey]

i486.

Surely.

[stoic island]

4970k

Surely

[little osprey]

Nuh uhhh.

[leaden mauve]

[little osprey]

i7-4790K IMC is kinda garbage.

[leaden mauve]

What how

[little osprey]

Because I said so.

I’m learning.

[leaden mauve]

What memory are you using

It better not be random ewaste

[little osprey]

It’s eWaste.

I’m cheap.

I fried that G-die kit I think.

[leaden mauve]

How

And why do you think so

[little osprey]

Well the motherboard I was running it on caught fire.

Haven’t tested the kit since.

I got a new PSU however!

[leaden mauve]

[little osprey]

Some A tier MSI one.

[leaden mauve]

GF series?

[little osprey]

850W I think.

Lemmie check.

MPG A850GF.

Got it for $65 I think.

[vague oracle]

Aliexpress loops #1

[leaden mauve]

Nice

[little osprey]

Actually for LGA1150 probably not a bad idea.

I still wanna give that ice bucket thing a try.

[primal linden]

im building on a Asus TUF Gaming B550 PLUS WIFI II and can’t find the HD audio and don’t see it on the manual ,wot do I do

[deep raven]

I'm most likely the youngest one here ironically enough

but I guess you're right

I'll just see what I can do without relying on tech so old it'd be older than a gen alpha kid

[little osprey]

One second.

[little osprey]

Oh, it was just an inside joke.

Wasn’t directed towards you.

Sorry about that.

[deep raven]

what's there to be sorry about?

[little osprey]

Oh, I just feel bad when I hardware shame people I don’t know.

@primal linden, the pinout should be labeled “AAFP.”

For HD audio.

[deep raven]

not like I care about what people say to me unless it's useful /shrug

[primal linden]

ty

[deep raven]

I can probably go back to my main plan

[little osprey]

What’s that?

[deep raven]

start with an iGPU build then save up for something like an RX 6000 series GPU

[little osprey]

What games do you play?

[deep raven]

very light ones

Left 4 dead 2, TF2 and that's about it

[little osprey]

Ah, Source engine games.

[deep raven]

I WOULD play cs2 if my laptop allowed me to but nah

[deep raven]

awfully optimized at times

[little osprey]

Yeah an iGPU should be enough to tie you over until you get a dedicated GPU.

[deep raven]

Yeah I'm planning to get a 5600G

iGPU is equivalent to a 750 ti which served one of my friends very well in L4D2 and TF2 before they upgraded to a 1660 super

[little osprey]

Hmmm, would be sacrificing cache.

But oh well.

[deep raven]

I'm not a big enough tech-head to comprehend the importance of cache

[obsidian wigeon]

Basically, 5600G performs like a 3600 due to its halved cache compared to 5600

[deep raven]

._.

[weary galleon]

Granted a 3600 is still a pretty decent cpu

Would def work fine with a 1660/similar card

[obsidian wigeon]

6600 as well

[wide blaze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Nezioh/saved/V4BQyc getting this tmmrw is it worth?

[little osprey]

Parts list is private.

[wide blaze]

o woops

[wide blaze]

I made it not private

[obsidian wigeon]

Honestly

That's ouch

Is this gaming pc?

Even if it's not, there's better way to spend that money

[little osprey]

Yeah, SSD can be found cheaper, RAM is iffy, as well as other stuff.

Also yeah if the rig is for gaming I would genuinely opt for a 7800X3D.

Unsure what die the RAM is, so I have my doubts there as well.

[wide blaze]

its a build i wanted to run 4k games with

and didn't get a budget so i wanted to go all out

and was gon take it to college

[wide blaze]

pretty much

[obsidian wigeon]

Still you can spend less for the same thing

boom

aio can be added but not needed

oop

forgot mobo

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7XBzpB

there we go

[mossy venture]

Wouldn't be bad to spend more on mobo at this budget, but I very much second foxys list

[obsidian wigeon]

ye there's atx if you really want that

but don't spend over like $150 lol

there's really no point with am5

[wide blaze]

I wanted to go overkill a little though and im still debating on the ryzen or an i9

[obsidian wigeon]

pointless tbh

[plucky timber]

Oh yeah you can get a ryzen 9 or an i9

[obsidian wigeon]

given the x3d is faster in gaming

[plucky timber]

And it'll get outperformed by a chip half the price next gen

[obsidian wigeon]

7800x3d is one of the fastest cpus available for gaming

[wide blaze]

the whole point was like I wanted to go 4k in quality for games but also take it to college

[plucky timber]

Especially if you're just playing games

Value plummets past a certain point

[obsidian wigeon]

4k you're very gpu bound

core count doesn't matter

8 is plenty for gaming, let alone 4k

[plucky timber]

yeah I'd save the money and spend it on a future gpu upgrade

But like

College tho?

[obsidian wigeon]

Games, especially modern titles care a lot about cache

[plucky timber]

Is it an itx build?

[obsidian wigeon]

College also depends on what you do with it

CAD?

Coding?

[wide blaze]

Im not really familar with the build I was orginally going for a build for 4k gaming and for college and my orginal price with parts I picked was 5k then was sent the build i posted and was told it was a better choice

[obsidian wigeon]

If coding I can see 13900kf being worth, but 7950x3d exists aswell

[wide blaze]

but yeah I wanted to be a coding

major

[plucky timber]

But from a practicality point of view

Wouldn't a laptop be more practical?

You have one machine for everything

[obsidian wigeon]

Lemme do something then

[primal linden]

Is it normal for a psu pcie cable to have 6 pins and 2 next to it

[wide blaze]

for gaming and school

[plucky timber]

Yes you have significantly less power

[obsidian wigeon]

So coding and gaming

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

it's called 6+2

[wide blaze]

never liked laptops

[primal linden]

are they meant to be connected together or connected next to each other

[plucky timber]

You might need a laptop for college anyways

Since if it's coding specs doesn't really matter all that much

[wide blaze]

true but mainly wanted it for 4k gaming and something to use in college

[plucky timber]

I'd keep the build compact

Easier to move around

And also the problem with 4k is

If you're playing AAA games at 4k

You're going to need a gpu upgrade down the line

Depends on the specific game and settings too

[wide blaze]

yeah eventually I'll upgrade the gpu but i want something solid for now

I wanted to build a pc so I could just constantly upgrade the parts

I'm use to prebuilts so i wanted to build a good 1 for the first time

[plucky timber]

Oh it'll be solid for now

It's just that newer game releases will be more a lot intensive

Especially at 4k

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y4V2jH

here ya go

pedal to the metal gaming pc

[plucky timber]

Yeah that looks about right

[obsidian wigeon]

i can jam 64gb but i don't see the point

it's just uni coding

[plucky timber]

7950x3d?

[obsidian wigeon]

ya

[plucky timber]

value?

[obsidian wigeon]

cheaper mobo

[wide blaze]

whats the dif between the ryzen and the i9?

[plucky timber]

oh

Fair enough

[obsidian wigeon]

good gaming perf

with great multi core

[plucky timber]

Ryzen typically performs better in games

Intel is pretty mid

Even for non gaming workloads

[obsidian wigeon]

amd's 16 cores equal to intel's 24

[plucky timber]

They fell off hard after 11th gen

[obsidian wigeon]

intel is a mix of p and e cores

[plucky timber]

We need competition

[obsidian wigeon]

nah they're actually nice, just that they're irrelevant with am5 x3d chips

[plucky timber]

💀

[obsidian wigeon]

and 13600k is decent for budget workstation

[wide blaze]

whats the best ryzen cpu I should get then

[obsidian wigeon]

the one i picked

[plucky timber]

Isn't that the x3d lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

7950x3d

[plucky timber]

Is it really worth it over the 7800x3d tho?

In terms of gaming?

[obsidian wigeon]

no, but this is unlimited budget pc with coding so

might as well

[plucky timber]

I mean

I could code on a chromebook

Waste of money tbh

Money saved could go towards a future gpu upgrade

Wtf

[obsidian wigeon]

fair point, but i mean, it's up to the guy in the end of the day

[plucky timber]

Why does this thing have 2 48gb kits

[obsidian wigeon]

wait

[plucky timber]

ahahha

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nfZXMV

ok fixed

[wide blaze]

I think I'd pick the ryzen 7800x

and i'd prob listen to save for the gpu upgrade

[obsidian wigeon]

alright

[wide blaze]

cuz I js saw some video

[obsidian wigeon]

7800x3d then

[plucky timber]

Yeah because in terms of gaming you won't lose much performance

[wide blaze]

and the performance dif between the 2

isnt worth the price

[plucky timber]

But if you save up and get a gpu in a few years

[obsidian wigeon]

and save cash with thermalright air cooler

[plucky timber]

You'd get better value for your money

PC building philosophy of "the best isn't always the best for you"

[wide blaze]

oh wait

I'd have to change my gpu

[plucky timber]

You can use the 4090 for a few years

[wide blaze]

its not compatible with ryzen cpus the 4090 I picked

[plucky timber]

should be compatible

Probably pcpp being stupid

[wide blaze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yKxsn6

this is the build rn but im gon change the cpu

[plucky timber]

There's no reason the other 4090 shouldn't work

[wide blaze]

should i change my 4090?

[plucky timber]

I'd probably get a cheaper one

Thing is about the 4090s

They're all so overbuilt that there's not really any bad ones

[wide blaze]

I think I'm going to change the 4090 then because i've refreshed the page and it still won't let me change the cpu

[plucky timber]

Alright

[wide blaze]

what 4090 should I change it to because I've got till tmmrw to decide

[plucky timber]

any really

Here's the thing tho

Any 4090's good

[vivid copper]

Why don't you cut down on some of the unnecessary like the big ass full tower 7000d, that you're going to need to fill with fans, the 420 AIO and crap 4TB NVME drive and give yourself a more well rounded build? Are you doing anything other than gaming? if not a 13700K would probably be all you would need.

[wide blaze]

its mainly for gaming but I want to take it with me to college and want it to last

[plucky timber]

We made him a list

[plucky timber]

I mean he does have a point there tho

Especially for college

7000D gonna be a pain to move

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nfZXMV

This one

[wide blaze]

I'll change the case but I still want to go with liquid cooling

[vivid copper]

so you're going to take a 7000D to college....you know how big that case is....lol....

[plucky timber]

I think you're better off modifying foxy's list

It's value optimized

[vivid copper]

and why are yall putting top end processor's on entry level boards? lol....

[plucky timber]

It doesn't matter

[wide blaze]

hold up

whats the difference between getting a 850w power supply

and a 1200 power supply

[plucky timber]

It's not like B450 vs A320

A620 is fine these days

[plucky timber]

Do you need a 1200w psu?

[wide blaze]

I don't think I need a 1200 psu but i rather have more than 850

[plucky timber]

It should be fine

[wide blaze]

considering I'll be upgrading the build

[wide blaze]

what do you mean like the 850 is fine or the 1200 is fine?

[plucky timber]

the 850

Ok excuse me

[wide blaze]

woah

[plucky timber]

Who are you and where did you come from

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

Oh crap

[wide blaze]

also the 7950 apparently performs worse then the 7800

[plucky timber]

@obsidian wigeon check this out

[wide blaze]

whats the point of getting the 7950

[vivid copper]

What your total realistic buget? It seems like you don't know a whole lot about part selection but you need to be realistic in your expectations. If all you want to do is game at 4K the CPU isn't going to matter. So a 8 core is all you're going to need. 4 TBs of storage is more than enough and depending on your parts selection that is what will determine your PSU.

[plucky timber]

This guy thinks he's a genius

[plucky timber]

Yes that's what we've been doing

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah 7950x3d is slower in games

but that's stock vs stock

[wide blaze]

like 4.5k

[plucky timber]

There's a whole convo

[wide blaze]

is the most i wanna spend

[obsidian wigeon]

tuned it matches/beats the 7800x3d

[plucky timber]

Ok foxy can you deal with the unnecessary toxic person

[obsidian wigeon]

but tbh

[plucky timber]

He's starting to annoy me

[obsidian wigeon]

thinking about it

[wide blaze]

wym by tuned?

[obsidian wigeon]

7800x3d is good

[obsidian wigeon]

gimme a sec

[vivid copper]

remember he wants to game at 4K so the x3d parts won't do him any good....

he's gonna be GPU bound so the difference between a 13600 or a 7800x3d won't mean much

[obsidian wigeon]

it really does even in 4k

the cache is still important

[vivid copper]

it's game dependent not all games utilize the vcache

[obsidian wigeon]

besides intel platform has more expensive boards if you don't wanna lose 10% cpu perf not using ddr5

[vivid copper]

and as you take the load off the CPU the cache no longer matters

[manic cloak]

Ngl i kinda regret getting a 1440p monitor.

[obsidian wigeon]

meanwhile you can pay $125 for ddr5 board with am5

[manic cloak]

Well

If he had access to tiktok shop

He could get a velocita z690 for 140$

[obsidian wigeon]

it's a no brainer when you can have the fastest stock gaming cpu there is for similar overall platform costs

[manic cloak]

Still not 125$ but

[vivid copper]

well for 4.5K we can do a full setup with a 4K monitor....give me a sec

[wide blaze]

I wanted to get a 4k monitor aswell but couldn't find any ideas

[manic cloak]

Wait is it USD?

[wide blaze]

yeah USD

[manic cloak]

Alright

[obsidian wigeon]

i think good 4k monitors can easily go below 1000

[manic cloak]

Monitor?

At that point get a tv

[obsidian wigeon]

keep the pc as is

a tv ain't adjustable

[plucky timber]

He's going to college

[obsidian wigeon]

unless it supports vesa

[manic cloak]

oh

[vivid copper]

i got you...do you need/want RGB and do you need a board with wi-fi?

[obsidian wigeon]

gigabyte m32u is solid

[wide blaze]

nah rgb is not needed and the board with wifi sounds nice but maybe not sure

[obsidian wigeon]

my list is not the most optimized but it sure is all you'd want

[plucky timber]

Where did this guy come from

[obsidian wigeon]

storage went wild cuz i followed the og list

[plucky timber]

Can you stop being a prick?

[obsidian wigeon]

also pls calm yourself down before i have to mute you

[rose seal]

rgb is quite lovely

[manic cloak]

Uh that’s cool n everything

[rose seal]

although it is not needed

[manic cloak]

But you don’t need to be somewhat aggressive

Just saying

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[manic cloak]

My freedom of speech too 😜

😘😘

[plucky timber]

He literally just came in here out of nowhere and just started bashing the guy

[manic cloak]

Then again

[plucky timber]

Like let him be he just wants a pc

[manic cloak]

Freedom of speech doesn’t apply to discord considering this server isn’t US based 😎

wowzers

[mossy venture]

freedom of speech means you have the freedom to say things, not freedom from the consequences that follow

[plucky timber]

For all the claims of professionalism you haven't contributed anything to the conversation other than being rude to the person asking for help

[mossy venture]

:D

[manic cloak]

Frfr

[wide blaze]

whats the difference between titanium and gold for psus?

[plucky timber]

Efficiency

[manic cloak]

how many years of customer service though

[rose seal]

i tihnk its power effiency

[mossy venture]

the rating does not mean anything in regards to the quality of the psu

[wide blaze]

cuz I'm fine with the build foxy sent but im thinking changing the psu and the cpu cooler

[plucky timber]

Yeah sure buddy

[mossy venture]

it dictates efficiency, such as a gold psu might pull 105w from the wall to deliver 100w to the pc

a titanium might pull 103

to deliver 100

there's bronze psus i would recommend over gold psus

[manic cloak]

at that point become a Lego builder

[vivid copper]

last question and i'll be done...27" or 32" inch monitor?

[mossy venture]

and the phantom spirit is basically the best air cooler on the market

if you want aio aio, something from the thermalright frozen line is great

[wide blaze]

32

[mossy venture]

like frozen prism or notte

[manic cloak]

Nonono

Apparently there’s a lot of pump issues

Felix I think told me that

[mossy venture]

then https://pcpartpicker.com/product/znH7YJ/ek-aio-basic-360-77-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-aio-basic-360

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MsTZWt

[wide blaze]

I think I'm going to get a 1000 wats psu would that be fine or?

[obsidian wigeon]

here's the final build with monitor

[mossy venture]

or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ttt9TW/ek-aio-280-d-rgb-116-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-aio-280-d-rgb

[obsidian wigeon]

1000w is nice but not needed

[mossy venture]

depends on model, one sec

[plucky timber]

wtf he brought in the alt account

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yXHqqs/phanteks-amp-v2-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ph-p1000g_02

[plucky timber]

Oh yeah foam sorry for pinging ya i meant to ping foxy

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah i gotta do something, sigh

lol

[rose seal]

i've got a quick question, is there anything with this build that is not good/compatible? also i plan on buying a used 3080 ti
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/HC22jH

[manic cloak]

On god???

[mossy venture]

this is also a fine choice https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fxGhP6/corsair-rm1000e-2023-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020264-na

[manic cloak]

Don’t buy a 7800xt

[mossy venture]

I would change some things up

[plucky timber]

Do you have the computer right now?

The cooler isn't the best value first off

[rose seal]

no im just assembling some parts

[plucky timber]

There's better options for the same price

[rose seal]

and making some edits along the way

on the part picker

[obsidian wigeon]

Okay that's a timeout done

[rose seal]

what changes would you make?

[manic cloak]

Foam is a 7800xt cheaper or more expensive to a used 3080ti

[rose seal]

uhhhh

let me check

[manic cloak]

cheapest one

Can be any model

[rose seal]

the 3080 ti that i saw was 650 aud

[obsidian wigeon]

so this is a new build?

[rose seal]

yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

ok

[plucky timber]

SSD

Iirc the P3 has reliability issues

[obsidian wigeon]

i can do something bout that

650 for used 3080ti is bad btw

[rose seal]

a new 7800xt is 870 to 930 aud

[obsidian wigeon]

should be 3090 at that price

[mossy venture]

is amazon a choice, or are shipping charges absurd for you

[manic cloak]

God DAMN

[obsidian wigeon]

oh aud

[primal linden]

What does a yellow light on mobo mean

[obsidian wigeon]

i forgot lol

[rose seal]

yeah i can use amazon

[manic cloak]

Well

[vivid copper]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hPZXMV So this is my take...a fully balanced high end rig for 4K with monitor and money to spare. You don't have to spend stupid amounts of money for top end performance and you don't have to min-max and make unbalanced ish to save a buck. I couldn't find RGB less 7200 ram so you'd have a lil bit of splash to match your board....

[manic cloak]

Which mobo

[obsidian wigeon]

which led is it labeled as?

[primal linden]

Asus

[primal linden]

wdym

[obsidian wigeon]

like is it dram

cpu or anything

[rose seal]

im also seeing a couple 3070 tis go for around 300-400

so i could get that instead of a 3080ti

[obsidian wigeon]

what's your budget foam? for the pc

in aud ofc

[rose seal]

1.6k

[obsidian wigeon]

kk

wifi?

[rose seal]

yes

[marble dune]

Im having an issue where my hard drive is showing up in device manager and partion manager but not in bios or the files

[obsidian wigeon]

alright

[marble dune]

All connections are good

[obsidian wigeon]

oh god

timeout wasn't enough

[plucky timber]

This guy has way too much time on his hands

[obsidian wigeon]

heck it

[plucky timber]

🍿

[wide blaze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JPZXMV i changed the psu to this 1 is it fine but quick questions what the difference in cores for cpus cuz I see 16 cores cpus and 8 cores I think I'm going to keep the 7800 cpu but I think I'll change the cpu cooler

[rose seal]

this gif/image probably went hard

[primal linden]

ram I think

[plucky timber]

oh god is that nsfw?

[rose seal]

it was

[plucky timber]

Sigh

[rose seal]

i clicked on the attachment

[plucky timber]

AHAHAH

[manic cloak]

Oh my

[plucky timber]

unfortunate

[obsidian wigeon]

banned

now two left

[primal linden]

yeah it’s dram light

[manic cloak]

I don’t like roblox anymore

🥲

[marble dune]

👉👈 someone please🥺

[rose seal]

it was a man doing something very silly to a watermelon

only thing i will say

[plucky timber]

This is what happens when you let kids watch beluga

[mossy venture]

first option https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/kYkHpB

ima do a cheaper one in a min

[manic cloak]

Ssd?

[rose seal]

this does look pretty nice

[marble dune]

2tb barracuda hdd

[rose seal]

i can probably just save a little extra

[obsidian wigeon]

classic roblox player tried to troll

[rose seal]

and get some better parts

[obsidian wigeon]

anyway, that should be it

[rose seal]

yipee

[obsidian wigeon]

pc building time

[rose seal]

hurrah

[obsidian wigeon]

bacca's list is nice

seems i don't have to fix anything

[plucky timber]

That's 1K AUD?

Damn that is not bad at all

[primal linden]

what do I do if there’s a dram light

[rose seal]

its like 1.8

[mossy venture]

My pc completely froze so give me a few for the cheaper one lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

tried creating new partition?

[wide blaze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rnP8PF is their anything better I could change the cpu cooler to?

[obsidian wigeon]

reseat ram

boot with one stick

[mossy venture]

Phantom spirit is top 3 air coolers, and the other two cost twice as much

[rose seal]

unfortunate but take ur time

[mossy venture]

If you want an aio, I linked two above

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[wide blaze]

what is aio

[plucky timber]

The real question is

[mossy venture]

Liquid cooler

[plucky timber]

Do you need an aio?

[wide blaze]

I wanted liquid cooling

heard it was better for most computers

[rose seal]

also is 32gb of ram really necessary?
or is it because its something performance wise because i think i'd only need 16gb

[plucky timber]

It is better but do you need one?

[obsidian wigeon]

you honestly don't need aio for the cpu

the 7800x3d can run on amd stock cooler

toasty but it didn't throttle

[primal linden]

what slots do you recommend

[obsidian wigeon]

a2 b2

[plucky timber]

Gaming workloads aren't likely to throttle it

[wide blaze]

I think I'll stick to getting a liquid cooler but what are some good liquid coolers u guys could reccomend?

[mossy venture]

32gb just makes sense for new builds atm, and with ddr5 16gb isn't an option

[rose seal]

ahh alright then

[mossy venture]

8gb sticks are ass, and single channel is ass

[obsidian wigeon]

buildzoid tested it with stock cooler

ran a bunch of cpu benches

it was ok tbh

[obsidian wigeon]

frozen notte, ek aio

[primal linden]

I’ve been reseating the ram and it still doesn’t seem to turn on

[mossy venture]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/qHXVfy

[mossy venture]

cheaper option ^

wait i forgot ram

[obsidian wigeon]

tried booting with one stick?

[mossy venture]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/yyGh28

[obsidian wigeon]

test with one stick at a time

[mossy venture]

5800x not worth much more than 5600 when gaming

[rose seal]

thanks

[mossy venture]

it's maybe a 5% difference

[rose seal]

oh

i was originally planning to get an intel cpu but they cost a lot more

[wide blaze]

im looking at reviews and they don't look to good any other ideas for a good liquid cooler?

[mossy venture]

imo, the 7600 list is more worth it, seeing as you can upgrade to an 8000 series x3d processor and get tons more performance in a couple years

[rose seal]

and the mobos too

yeah

[mossy venture]

yeah i tried a 12600k list but it ended up $1100

[plucky timber]

Oh my god the dust

[rose seal]

i think im just going to go for the list with 7600

[mossy venture]

atp 7600 is a no brainer over it for upgradability

[obsidian wigeon]

deepcool ls/lt then

or arctic

[rose seal]

and then later down the years i'll make some upgrades if needed

[primal linden]

can the dram light be related to any cables missing pins

[mossy venture]

if you dont require the cpu cooler to be white, the stock cooler is plenty for the 7600

[obsidian wigeon]

no

it's ram issue

[primal linden]

ok

[obsidian wigeon]

maybe mobo but it's usually ram

[primal linden]

what can I do if reseating or trying one stick doesn’t work

[rose seal]

i mean im only sparing like 50 bucks if i do just use the stock cooler and the pc

[obsidian wigeon]

rma the kit

[rose seal]

so im probably just going to go for the cpu cooler

and 50 dollars is still a lot but im just going to go some what all out on this

[wide blaze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BvpQwg final build thoughts?

[plucky timber]

Pricey but it's a 4K build so that's about right

[mossy venture]

imo https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zjwm28

or b650m pro rs wifi for mobo

imo it's worth it for the extra nvmes/io/vrm capability at this budget

ram, if it doesnt run at xmp it's as simple as changing 6400 to 6000 when enabling xmp

[vivid copper]

Ram is pretty latent as hell 6000 CL 40 is crazy for a 4K budget build.....i'm just confused on why yall min maxing on a healthy budget....

[wide blaze]

is 40 to little?

[wide blaze]

I changed the mobo to what u js said

[mossy venture]

i wouldnt exactly call it minmaxing, its more like not wasting money on unnoticeable things

[vivid copper]

matx cl40 ram and mp34 in a 4K build is certainly min maxing...

[mossy venture]

mp34 is fine, cl40 i changed it

[vivid copper]

those are bottom tier components that you're placing into a high end build

[mossy venture]

a sata ssd would be bottom tier

mp34 is B tier, and you won't notice a difference between it and an S tier drive for gaming

cl40 I don't recommend literally anytime

either get ddr4, or get gauranteed hynix ddr5

[cyan ravine]

Gaming?

[wide blaze]

yeah and to hopefully last me like 3-5 years

[cyan ravine]

We can tidy this up a bit

[vivid copper]

how is a entry level gen 3 drive B tier in 2024 when we have gen 5 drives at 12000 r/w? When high end gen 4 drives are at the same prices as gen 3 drives?

[wide blaze]

apparently the memeory and drive isn't good enough for the build so I might change it

[mossy venture]

gen 5 is useful for less than .1 % of people

something not being the newest does not mean bottom tier

[plucky timber]

Yikes

[mossy venture]

gen 4 is not noticeable in games.

[plucky timber]

Ssd a bit thick

Hopefully it won't have any clearance issues

[primal linden]

im reseating and trying with one stick and it doesn’t work

[plucky timber]

I thought the MP34 was gen 4?

[crimson zinc]

I wanna see someone make a Christmas themed build

[plucky timber]

Oh it is gen 3

Fascinating

[vivid copper]

it is when it's your OS drive...if you had the MP34 as a secondary drive that makes sense...but as the main drive in a 4K build in 2024 that's not the move....

[wide blaze]

should i change the storage then?

[mossy venture]

4k has absolutely no bearing here the resolution youre playing is not affected by your ssd

unless you mean $4000

[vivid copper]

of course i mean dollars, come on now...lol

gimme me a lil bit of benefit of the doubt

[mossy venture]

i understand where you are coming from, but talking about gaming performance the ssd does not matter. even downloading, you're going to be network limited

also, we had an adata premium 2tb (S tier drive) in there and he took it out, if he decided he does not need it then he doesn't need it

[plucky timber]

Oh crap

[primal linden]

Now the dram light is gone there’s just no signal

[mossy venture]

reset cmos?

[plucky timber]

I almost turned on my pc with a loose 970 evo inside

[vivid copper]

you should change alot....but i DM'd you my suggestion but i'd do some rounds before I pull the trigger....i don't think you're getting the best build for your money nor the best advise for someone in your position.....

[plucky timber]

Poor guy just wants a pc

[obsidian wigeon]

i can confirm gen 4 not being important for games

[cyan ravine]

@wide blaze
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mmn9n6

[plucky timber]

And now he's dragged into an argument

[obsidian wigeon]

i have gen 4 and 3 ssds

[cyan ravine]

Wouldn't do much more than this

[obsidian wigeon]

and i can't notice anything

[primal linden]

can i do that with the gpu still in

[obsidian wigeon]

thx felix

[mossy venture]

yes

[primal linden]

ok

[cyan ravine]

Oh sorry let me fix that

I forgot I have a 4090 link for 1750

[plucky timber]

Kinda considering installing my oses on my new ssd

[obsidian wigeon]

huh

4090 below 1800?

that's kinda good

[cyan ravine]

@wide blaze https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R9fxTY

[cyan ravine]

Yes. Two in fact

[plucky timber]

Should i install my oses on my
970 evo plus 1TB, which has been my original boot drive
Or my new GM7000 4TB

[obsidian wigeon]

ok

[cyan ravine]

I've been holding off sharing until someone asked

[obsidian wigeon]

lol fair

it would go oos asap

[cyan ravine]

Mhm

Especially since it's from a very reputable place

[obsidian wigeon]

hm

[primal linden]

how to reset cmos

[obsidian wigeon]

i mean, if you want

do it i guess

[plucky timber]

I'm more worried about temps than anything

[obsidian wigeon]

then keep it for storage

[plucky timber]

Wouldn't installing the oses on the GM7000, which is a gen 4 ssd, increase the load?

[cyan ravine]

A little

[obsidian wigeon]

very little

[cyan ravine]

Installing a gen 4 ssd in a laptop anyway can be asking for a lot of heat

[mossy venture]

?cmos

[jolly river]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[plucky timber]

Oh

So it doesn't make a difference?

[cyan ravine]

I would say

Not enough to care

[plucky timber]

Hmm

[cyan ravine]

If it has high draw

[plucky timber]

What about performance?

[cyan ravine]

Get a low profile sink

But otherwise meh

[plucky timber]

It comes with a foam sink

[cyan ravine]

It's a laptop

[plucky timber]

I might just not bother to swap it out

[cyan ravine]

It's gonna throttle a bit anyway

It's just a matter of how much

[plucky timber]

as in am i going to see enough performance increases in gen 4 to justify putting the oses on the GM7000

[cyan ravine]

Gotta give credit to razer for one of the few things they did well, they'd put thermal pads on their ssds which contact with their aluminium shell of the laptop

[plucky timber]

It's more of an organisation thing

[cyan ravine]

So the laptop is the sink

[obsidian wigeon]

add copper pads if you wanna try to improve it

[cyan ravine]

You won't

[plucky timber]

Oh ok

[cyan ravine]

Would suggest a proper sink instead

[plucky timber]

Oses go back on 970 evo then

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah there's proper sinks

[plucky timber]

For laptops?

[obsidian wigeon]

like those copper shrouds

but you gotta be careful

[plucky timber]

Thank you lubuntu very cool

[obsidian wigeon]

some laptops has second ssd slot that's close to the pcb

[rose seal]

does anyone have a alternative psu in mind for this build
i dont want to pay 30 dollar shipping prices for just my psu
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/yyGh28

[cyan ravine]

Yep

Tuf bronze 750w

[plucky timber]

It's a strix g15

It might? Be fine

[cyan ravine]

@rose seal mate how much have you bought

[plucky timber]

Is this too close?

[mossy venture]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/MVrG3C/thermaltake-power-supply-pstpd0750mpcgus1

[rose seal]

nothing yet

just assembling the parts to have a final build

which the list is pretty much it

thanks to bacca

but the psu shipping price is too much

[obsidian wigeon]

that's fine

[rose seal]

i'll probably get this

thanks

[mossy venture]

the cables are ugly tho

[plucky timber]

AHHHH

[obsidian wigeon]

but looks like the gm7000 already has a heatsink of its own

it wouldn't even fit heatsinks

[plucky timber]

Yeah it comes with a foam heatspreader

I could replace it

Probably

[rose seal]

yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

remove that and warranty might be gone tho

[plucky timber]

True

[rose seal]

what was wrong with the corsair 750e?

[plucky timber]

Ok stupid Ethernet doesn't work

[rose seal]

that was originally in the part list

[wide blaze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zcdG28 whats the ideal ram amount for this build and what from what brand should i get it from or model

[plucky timber]

Depends

On what you do

[wide blaze]

I changed the ssd to the samsung 990

[plucky timber]

I play cities skylines so for me it justified having 32GB of ram

990?

[wide blaze]

yeah

[plucky timber]

That's uhh

Meh

[mossy venture]

990 pro is very sadly priced

[plucky timber]

Bad value

There's better priced ssds that deliver the same performance

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Bf9wrH/adata-xpg-gammix-s70-blade-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-agammixs70b-4t-cs

[cyan ravine]

Isn't this like not great?

[obsidian wigeon]

felix's list best one

[mossy venture]

wdym?

isn't it s tier

[cyan ravine]

I'm local, want me to have a look for ya?

[cyan ravine]

Eh

[plucky timber]

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide

[wide blaze]

whats a good ssd I should get then?

[cyan ravine]

Adata ps5 premium

2tb

[mossy venture]

gm7000 same price for 4tb

[obsidian wigeon]

the ps5 drive is great

[plucky timber]

What's with the GM7000 lol

It seems to be the best value high end 4TB

[rose seal]

nah it's alright

[plucky timber]

Are they just that niche?

[rose seal]

i just want to finalize the build first

[plucky timber]

It was like $20 more than the M461 so that's why i got it

[cyan ravine]

Ah well, to my knowledge the tuf bronze is like the best 750w+ unit, regularly on sale for $109 from centrecom

[wide blaze]

I want a 4tb though

[plucky timber]

As a boot drive

[mossy venture]

can just do 2 2tb

[rose seal]

alright i'll take a look

[cyan ravine]

GM7000, MP34

[plucky timber]

You can have a good ssd as a boot drive and then a mid ssd as a secondary srive

[mossy venture]

isn't xs70 having the controller swap issue?

[plucky timber]

Wtf

Lubuntu just crashed

What is your problem linux

[cyan ravine]

Oh yeah forgor

[rose seal]

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/asus-tuf-gaming-750w-80-bronze-non-modular-power-supply-ac39664?cfclick=00cede050bce4ef68a9cad5fd6963f44

is this the psu?

kinda looking for something modular

[plucky timber]

Ohhh

Maybe because I tried to upgrade packages on a live usb

I'm stupid

[cyan ravine]

I've used the psu before, the cables fold ridiculously easily

[mossy venture]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/JQZzK8/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-argb-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750f3fagu-1

[cyan ravine]

Would argue it's better cable management than a modular

[mossy venture]

for modular

[rose seal]

thanks

[cyan ravine]

Some modular cables have disgusting cable stiffness and just don't fold

Tuf ones fold like paper

[plucky timber]

Especially annoying on tight cases

[wide blaze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cYpQwg I've added the team group ssd but still have to pick a good memory I'm thinking 48 gigs or 64 point of build is to run games at 4k so im not sure which 1

[rose seal]

i had a really old pc with a non modular psu and it was not the best

[plucky timber]

I do not like smooshing cables against the side panel

[cyan ravine]

I believe ya, just that tuf unit is honestly really good

Use the zip ties in the box and it's sorted in a minute

[mossy venture]

64gb is a waste, it can actually hurt perf

[plucky timber]

Do you play modded games?

[rose seal]

i'll see what to get between the two

the thermaltake psu and the tuf

[cyan ravine]

Would definitely opt towards the list I suggested, I'll put the 4tb in

[plucky timber]

Unmodded games don't usually use past 32GB

[cyan ravine]

It's a gaming build, you won't need more than 32gb for a loonnnggg time

[wide blaze]

ark

[plucky timber]

Ok that game is notoriously unoptimised

[wide blaze]

yeah it causes me

[plucky timber]

That is an exception

[wide blaze]

thhe most trouble

rn

[plucky timber]

Ugh this is going to be a pain to move

Why is there a recovery partition in my storage drive

Microsoft wtf

[cyan ravine]

@wide blaze https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LgYRn6

[rose seal]

i think i've figured out what the plan is for buying my parts

[plucky timber]

Ok ngl this is pretty speedy

Nvme power

[rose seal]

im going to order the specific parts off amazon cuz they the lowest price on there

then just go to in person stores for the others

[cyan ravine]

If you have a centrecom near you mate

[rose seal]

yeah

i got one near me

[cyan ravine]

Order a bunch from there, pick it up or deliver together

[rose seal]

i think im going to pick it up

[cyan ravine]

It tends to be cheapest overall

Amazon good too

But I'd look at a few places

Avoid like

Msy, mwave

Scorptec is good

[wide blaze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mmn9n6 the build you sent me looks nice but I wanted to get liquid cooling and the 4090 dont know the difference between those but just know their price diff is huge and I want to go slightly above 850wats but the monitor you sent looks amazing

[cyan ravine]

Pccasegear good

[rose seal]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

Your total power draw won't need more than 850w

750w at a min

[rose seal]

im just gonna try and find most of my stuff on center com

[cyan ravine]

1000w overkill

[plucky timber]

ok this is REALLY fast

Usually i clone my partitons off to a hdd cuz i never have enough space

[rose seal]

and then look at other stores if i cant get the parts for a good price at center com

[plucky timber]

But my 4TB storage drive has room for all my partitions

[cyan ravine]

Also you don't need an aio, but I can put a better option in

[plucky timber]

I love nvmes

[cyan ravine]

Sebastian do you do overclocking

Or entertain overclocking at all

[plucky timber]

I think it's more of an aesthetic choice

[wide blaze]

no I don't like overclocking

[wide blaze]

I don't mind using standard fans but a better option would be nice

[cyan ravine]

Ok so you won't need more than that a620 board I linked then

Alr I'll put an aio in

On a 7800x3d tho it's just for looks

[plucky timber]

Do you like it because of how it looks?

Because that's totally fine

[cyan ravine]

Like really a stock cooler is overkill on a 7800x3d

Lmao

[plucky timber]

Just know that you can go a lot cheaper

[wide blaze]

no I just heard liquid was better

but I don't mind standard

[plucky timber]

It is but you don't need it on a 7800x3d

[cyan ravine]

Ah

[pseudo pollen]

I'm the type of guy who'd want that for the temps, I'd love to see 40C at full load

[cyan ravine]

Lemme link you a vid

[plucky timber]

So it's more up to aesthetics

Imo AIOs look cooler (pun not intended)

[cyan ravine]

https://youtu.be/lgiBcD7bBaw?si=RAtk3nwmNBTlX35E

[wide blaze]

I've think you've convinced me on your build but only thing im thinking of changing is the 4090

[cyan ravine]

TL;DR aio is 2% better at extreme loads

Compared to the cooler they ship in the box

So a single tower is overkill for a 7800x3d

Hell you can run a 7950x3d on a single tower even

Not the greatest but it definitely works

[plucky timber]

Ryzen efficiency

[rose seal]

i think im gonna get the asus tuf psu because the thermaltake one is too lengthy for my case

[plucky timber]

Gotta love them

[cyan ravine]

Nah it's the bad ihs design

[plucky timber]

For intel?

[cyan ravine]

My bad mate I didn't have the right price earlier

It's meant to be 1750

Not 2300

[plucky timber]

Wait how did you get it down to 1750

[cyan ravine]

So 130 cheaper for a slightly better 4090

[plucky timber]

👀

Damn

[cyan ravine]

I have a link to one I found a few days ago

[plucky timber]

Whole build?

ohhhh

Nice

[wide blaze]

can you send me the new cheaper version

[cyan ravine]

Here you go

[plucky timber]

So

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PsHqN6

Have a gander at that

[plucky timber]

2TB for linux and 2TB for windows

[cyan ravine]

I'm now recommending the UD90 because I looked at the ssd's and that one looks best to me rn for 4tb

[wide blaze]

uh its out of stock everywhere

other then amazon

[cyan ravine]

Which

[wide blaze]

which is 2300$

on amazon

[cyan ravine]

Oh no

I'll dm you the link

It's in stock

1 for 1750

1 for 1800

Gaming trio cards

[wide blaze]

o

[cyan ravine]

It won't appear on pcpartpicker

[wide blaze]

can u send me it

[cyan ravine]

Yes

Keep it to yourself tho, people will snipe it

[wide blaze]

alright

[cyan ravine]

Accept dm and I'll send

[plucky timber]

Is this about 2TB for both partitions after I've expanded both into the free space?

I'm leaving empty space so i could copy my other partitions (temporarily) from my boot drive

[primal linden]

I took the cmos battery out for 8 minutes and my monitor still says no signal

[plucky timber]

Did you put it back in?

Some monitors don't display the post message iirc

[primal linden]

yep

[plucky timber]

Did it post with the same monitor before?

[plucky timber]

I could be wrong

[primal linden]

nah I’m tryna turn it on for the 1st time

[plucky timber]

Ohhh

ok what works

Also first build?

[primal linden]

yes

[plucky timber]

Yeah that's normal

99% of people miss something on their first build

Which brings you to the not so fun troubleshooting process

What turns on? Any spinning fans?

[primal linden]

Yeah the fans spin

[plucky timber]

On everything?

[primal linden]

Yep

[plucky timber]

Ok

I will ask some very stupid questions

Did you plug the display cable into the gpu?

[primal linden]

yes

also I see that 2 of the fans aren’t spinning

[plucky timber]

Which ones?

Gpu?

[primal linden]

case fans

2 are spinning and 2 aren’t

[plucky timber]

They probably weren't plugged in

[primal linden]

Does that affect post

[plucky timber]

Usually not

Did you plug anything into the CPU_FAN header?

[primal linden]

Yes

[plucky timber]

Post pictures of everything that's plugged in

To the motherboard or gpu

Ah crap

Why is the oem ssd screwed in so tight

Time for the electric screwdriver

[manic cloak]

Hmmm

[manic cloak]

Is 40$ for a 5600G worth?

[manic cloak]

Looks right

Is that a sapphire pulse

By chance

[primal linden]

Yes

[manic cloak]

Oooooh what model 😭

[primal linden]

7700 xt

[manic cloak]

just built and no post? Or am I mistaken

Or boot

[primal linden]

just built and no post

[manic cloak]

Can you send your pcpp?

[primal linden]

wat

[plucky timber]

CPU power connector?

24 pin?

[manic cloak]

Pc part picker

[primal linden]

Alr

[primal linden]

Yeah

both

[plucky timber]

Fascinating

[manic cloak]

Weird

Well I assume the psu is on

[primal linden]

Yes

[plucky timber]

It is

Otherwise the fans wouldn't even spin

[manic cloak]

Psu cables connected?

Like the gpu cables to the psu itself

No debug lights either?

Also is that pc part picker list coming anytime soon? 😭😭

Cause ngl it may be your gpu itself.

I have same model different version, just mine was artifacting

[primal linden]

Yeah it’s all connected

[primal linden]

Mb lemme make it

[manic cloak]

It worked fine for the first bench

[manic cloak]

Alr alr, unless you got another list instead of pcpp?

However I can see all of your parts in one list

[primal linden]

Nah ima just make the pcpp

[manic cloak]

Ok

[cyan ravine]

Ok I'm back

[plucky timber]

mmmm

[cyan ravine]

Did we die yet

[manic cloak]

?

No

[cyan ravine]

Damn

[cyan ravine]

Did you check for power draw before you commit sir

[plucky timber]

Power draw?

Uh oh