building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

nvidia sure doesn't lol

[teal dome]

I heard they are gonna make nivida CPUs for consumers

[mossy venture]

The 7600 build would have better upgradability, but the 12600kf is a good pairing with the 4070

At $140 it's incredible value

Also if you're open to it, could get the list even cheaper by buying some parts off of tiktok shop. The rm750e is $60-65 or so with a coupon on it

And can get 2tb p34a60 for like $45 or smthn along those lines

Aside from that cheaper ram, potentially case (903 max, fractal design pop air mini, h5 flow?) Would be cheaper as well

And some b760s/z690s have been cheap there too

And then there's coupons everyone gets that would bring prices down further

Pro rs doesn't have wifi on that board, the Vulcan z ram is a bit worse but also a lot cheaper

[earnest olive]

K cpu needs a Z series board to OC

you can still get some benefits from a K cpu on a B series board

namely - the stock boost is higher than the non-K version, and you have control over system agent voltages (can run higher memory speeds)

not at all

we all have to start learning from somewhere

most people don't even know what a system agent voltage is lol

[mossy venture]

Yep everything sips said. But 12600k matches 13400f (aside from Temps, and is better for ddr4 ram tuning I think?) And is a good bit cheaper rn

Also 12th gen is less sensitive to ddr4 vs ddr5, so if on a budget and going ddr4 12600k would be a better idea than 13400f

[earnest olive]

where does "12th gen is less sensitive to ddr4 vs ddr5" come from?

[cinder glen]

is 7800 vs 7700 worth th 2x price?

[earnest olive]

if anything, 13th gen should be less sensitive to ram due to having more cache, or the same if it's an alder lake 13th gen chip

[mossy venture]

That's just what I've been told by fal and felix, is it wrong?

[earnest olive]

i'm not sure, that's why i'm asking, not telling you wrong lol

i don't know everything

[mossy venture]

Nah at the price diff 12600k for sure

[earnest olive]

it just doesn't really make sense to me why that would be the case

[mossy venture]

Ah, what I was told is 13th suffers about 10% on ddr4

[earnest olive]

would 12th gen not?

[mossy venture]

Due to the adl vs rpl cores, more than that I dont really know

[earnest olive]

i'm in the middle of a lecture about cache and memory hierarchy lol

just thinking about it

[mossy venture]

13400f with adl cores is less sensitive than the rpl version too

It's weird

[earnest olive]

could be just some minor optimizations to 13th gen... no clue

[mossy venture]

Also @fair raven I did a list with estimated prices for some parts off tiktok shop, the p34a60 2tb isn't on pcp so I used the p3 as a place holder https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kXNKh3

[high field]

What’s this noise from a friends pc?

Anyone got an idea of what the noise could be

[mossy venture]

Sounds like a fan blade is slightly off

Can stop each fan individually and see if the noise stops when any one of them is stopped

If not maybe that's the radiator? Or could be psu/gpu fans

Yeah its really nice, everything is sold by newegg too (not everything, but I meant the parts I put in the list are)

There's also a good few cheap case options, but g300a with fans at that price is already solid

There's also cheap 1tb ssds on tt shop, if you'd rather save the money there too

Yep! It'll say newegg, Inc. At the top of the listing

[high field]

What app could I have my friend install to check his temps

And make sure nothing overheating

[mossy venture]

This was the 2tb ssd btw, and for 1tb z440 seems like the best price

Or m461

[mossy venture]

Hwinfo64

[high field]

Which ones would I be looking for cpu temp

[mossy venture]

Oh also if you need a monitor, there's some well priced ones on tt shop too

[mossy venture]

Wdym?

[high field]

To check temps

https://www.hwinfo.com/

Is this it

[mossy venture]

Yes

Wait no

Wait nvm I think that is right, sorry

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

[high field]

So the one I sent is right

[mossy venture]

That for sure I know is ^

[high field]

^

[mossy venture]

I'm not certain, I am certain the one I linked is

So I'd just use that to be safe, I know there's a fake msi afterburner site floating around that's actually a virus

(I know because I used it lol)

[high field]

@mossy venture

This one right

[mossy venture]

It looks fine

[high field]

That’s the download right

[mossy venture]

Yeah I think so, just looks different on mobile

I'm used to seeing the desktop version

[high field]

Oh ok

[serene onyx]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-master-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-5700-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-8gb-2tb-ssd-black/6553003.p?skuId=6553003

hey guys, do ylla think this is good?

Would you ever recommend this to someone who doesnt wanna build a pc?

[mossy venture]

It's not terrible, you might be able to do better buying from cyberpower

One sec I'll check

[serene onyx]

alrighty

[mossy venture]

Nah not really, ends up a good bit more expensive

[serene onyx]

Makes sense

thank you

[mossy venture]

Especially with a 2tb ssd that's a pretty nice deal

[brittle spindle]

anyone have a 600 dollar gaming pc list?

[mossy venture]

Would you be able to buy parts off of tiktok shop?

They are sold by newegg through tiktok

[brittle spindle]

i can buy off newegg lol

[mossy venture]

The prices are lower on tiktok due to some sales and tiktok giving everyone a few coupons

The difference is surprisingly big

Can get like a $750-$850 list for around $500-600

[brittle spindle]

damn

how am i just finding out about that lol

[manic cloak]

should I go for a 6950xt or a 7800xt rn? 😭

[mossy venture]

Tiktok shop is relatively new, about a month old now?

[manic cloak]

yup

[mossy venture]

But it's all shipped and sold by newegg

[manic cloak]

well

it's like aliexpress

[mossy venture]

I bought a 2tb p41 plus for about $34 after tax

[manic cloak]

with newegg on it

[mossy venture]

Ehh

More like ebay

These are the parts I'd get off tiktok

Sadly good prices psu went oos

And one sec I'll link the rest

If you can do $50 over budget https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HQc2rv

Also those prices are guesstimates for the parts off tiktok shop, since calculating each part with the coupon would be a lil annoying an unnecessary

Might need to use a few diff accounts to get the lowest prices possible, and I'll do a lower one in a sec

Cheaper but still a lil over budget, if you need cheaper swap gpu to 6650xt/7600
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TMMRFs

(Also if you dont need wifi can do cheaper on the mobo in the first list, and can take out wifi card in the second list)

Sorry last one I'll spam you with, list completely not on tiktok. Better than I thought it'd be https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f6N389

[manic cloak]

@mossy venture any good 850w's?

also

[mossy venture]

On tiktok?

[manic cloak]

ya

[mossy venture]

Rm850 white was $95, not sure about otherwise but I'll check

[manic cloak]

should I get the 6950xt or 7800xt on a 750gt

cause i'm able to afford either or.

[mossy venture]

I'd say 7800xt is better value, and 750 gt is fine for either

Oh rm750e is showing back in stock for me

[manic cloak]

50$ used in my area

[manic cloak]

alr you 100%?

[mossy venture]

It's about a 10% performance difference, $90 difference. It's up to you

It's a toss up, personally I'd go 7800xt but the 6950xt isn't bad value there either

Lowkey 4070 at $515 isn't bad, but if nvidia won't help you at all then 7800xt still better https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VQDQzy/zotac-twin-edge-geforce-rtx-4070-12-gb-video-card-zt-d40700e-10m

[oblique ridge]

looking for a gpu for graphic design .... i dont tend to game , maybe COD warfare every few months ... GPU can be a workstation gpu or reg GPU ... can be open box (although its not favored on my end) i have about 300 tops 350 .. i rather buy on amazon or ebay or somewhere online where i have some kind of warranty protection

[leaden mauve]

What power supply do you have right now?

[mossy venture]

Also what software do you use?

[oblique ridge]

an 850 , i can prob get the exact brand etc give me a moment

[mossy venture]

Model would be better than brand, if you could get that

[oblique ridge]

i use illustrator to create vector art (logos, mylar bags etc : @westcoastmylars is my art page on ig) ... i use photoshop as well . i want to get back into making sshort 30 second logo animation clips as well

im rocking the x570 aorus wifi elite - 128gb ram - cpu is the 5900x

[mossy venture]

Then few options, 4060 ti would be a bit over budget and if what you do isn't vram sensitive that would be best. Otherwise 4060 8gb if you need cheaper and still not vram sensetive, or 3060 12gb

[oblique ridge]

my current gpu is the xfx 580 8gb ... but i miss how my 3060 used to move

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qnGhP6/pny-verto-geforce-rtx-4060-8-gb-video-card-vcg40608dfxpb1

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KFsV3C/msi-ventus-3x-oc-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-8-gb-video-card-rtx-4060-ti-ventus-3x-8g-oc

Also not sure if 3060 ti at $300 would be better than 4060 for you, I know 40 series does better with certain workloads but not sure if yours is https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nkWGX/asus-dual-oc-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-8-gb-video-card-dual-rtx3060ti-o8gd6x-white

[leaden mauve]

buy used, you save money and get a better GPU for the price

[mossy venture]

If you can buy used, 3080 12gb would probably be highest you could get, but I'm still not sure how that'd compare to 4060 ti for your workloads

[oblique ridge]

guys i appreciate all the info ! ive been going crazy , im not too great with hardware knowledge ... i have a couple more questions if i may

[mossy venture]

Of course, ask away

Also as a side note, for all of these gpus the cheapest model is fine, unless you go used. Then I'd try to avoid ventus 3x on a 3080, but if it's cheap enough it's not unusable. Just runs a bit hot

But especially 3060/ti/ 4060/ti def just cheapest model

[oblique ridge]

if im learning correctly something NVIDIA with cuda cores is ideal correct? but how do those cards compare to a Rx 6700xt 12gb or something of a rx 7000 series

[mossy venture]

It really depends on how the software is optimized, I don't know well what software's prefer what

For some stuff, the 7900xtx loses to a 4070

[oblique ridge]

great to know! id hate to get a card and have it fried too soon, reason why i dont prefer used but i am open to it rn

[mossy venture]

In solid works if I remember right it outmatches the 4090

[oblique ridge]

understandable .

[little osprey]

Any Corsair Icue Link AIO owners here wondering how the cooler is the 360mm version

[lone flame]

i love my internet

[languid nimbus]

Still faster than what mine used to be

lol

[rough loom]

I still remember dial up and 1.5 meg dsl

[strong raft]

5KB/s w/ my dialup l, then I had 6Mbps or 12Mbps dsl for a few years before cable.

[potent portal]

I remember having dial up without a filter so I tried to dial in without realizing my mom was on the phone in the backyard (100 ft phone cable, no cordless). She got loud dialing tones in her ear and I got her screaming my name over the computer speakers.

[fossil cedar]

Honestly any aio that's worth getting are ones where they make their own pump, that's non asetek eg arctic, deepcool, ek and the original Lian li Galahad but they changed to asetek now afaik, also the thermalright thermalnotte or something like that is good, can't remember if it's asetek or not but performs decently and is like 50-60$ for a 360mm version

There are no current Corsair aios that you should be buying tbh especially with the extremely cheap air coolers we are getting now with thermalright and deepcools dual towers

[little osprey]

Thanks for the help

[fossil cedar]

No probs

[manic cloak]

What’s the difference between the 7000’s Merc and qick models

I’ve always seen it as one has the nice title and the one as low profile, now they both look like 💩

[high field]

@potent portal

Pc built and it’s idling at 57-60 Celsius

[mossy venture]

What is idling at 57-60

[high field]

My cpu

I built the pc today

The 7800x3d

[mossy venture]

That sounds fairly normal

Check Temps under load

Cinebench r23 single core and multi core tests would be fine, they won't be absolute max Temps but they'd be more similar to gaming Temps than prime95

[manic cloak]

I DID IT FOLKS

I FINALLY ORDERED THE 7800xt

now let's pray it doesn't get cheaper over black friday otherwise i'll have to go through painful pricematching

it also arrives around december 9th-december 30th..

[mossy venture]

It should come sooner

Also nice!

[manic cloak]

the qick was 10$ cheaper + all black but I saw videos saying it has a little better cooler

so I said why not, 10$ nothing

I can finally play rust on 1440p without choppy input 😭

[lyric thistle]

I wouldn't want rust on my gpu

[hollow crag]

Nice I will soon relate to this but 1080p

[cyan ravine]

nice

[remote root]

asus b650e-f or Asus ROG STRIX B650-A?

[mossy venture]

Honestly neither

[cyan ravine]

Asrock B650M Pro RS Wifi

[remote root]

Hmm

Same functionality as the others right?

[brittle spindle]

600 dollar build is so awkward fitting in a 6600 and a 5600 is reallly hard especially when the guy wants 2tb of ssd space, I could go with a 5500 but u lose so many fps

[mossy venture]

If you are able to buy off tiktok shop you can do a lot better

Idk if it was you I made a list for last night or not

But if not I could throw together a list for you, can do 5600 with 6650xt under 600 with quality parts

[manic cloak]

What gpu? 😭

Cause I played medium graphics w 1080p on my 6650xt before I got 1440p and had 100 fps

At MAX

so nothing over 100

[leaden mauve]

dont you have to give tiktok a photo of your ID and other oddly personal info to be able to use shop

average chinese data collection moment

[mossy venture]

No?

Where tf did you hear that from lol

[leaden mauve]

to verify your tiktok account you need to do that

do you not need to verify to use shop?

it wouldnt let me use shop for some reason idk

[mossy venture]

No you don't

[leaden mauve]

how do you access shop then

[mossy venture]

It just shows up on the app

I've seen a few people not have it but I've no idea why.

But it doesn't have anything to do with personal info or id

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qwMPz6 with this ssd, gotta use the coupons that tikok gives you to get these prices. Prices are also estimates, but should be under $600.

Could also swap to 12100f which would be like $30 cheaper and b660m pro rs, 12100f isn't too far behind 5600

Also can do b550m pro se if wifi isn't needed

[brittle spindle]

dang

ur a beast

btw is that motherboard bios already updated?

but those prices dont seem right tbf

[mossy venture]

Should be yeah

And that's off of tiktok shop after using a coupon for each part, but everything is shipped and sold by newegg

Gpu not on tt shop

Might need to use a few separate accounts to get the lowest price possible

@brittle spindle

[brittle spindle]

i see

[mossy venture]

With 12100f you could probably fit a 6700xt in budget

With either 670p 1tb or p34a60 2tb off tiktok shop, again gpu not on tiktok https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xtJCrv

Also 6600 on tiktok is like $144 or so after coupon, so if you/buyer would rather save than get a better gpu that's a pretty nice price

Sorry last thing, if you want to avoid tiktok shop this is what I'd do. Overall lower quality but still can do solid perf https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WnHvZJ

[hollow crag]

1650 super but I’ll have a 6700xt soon and a r5 7600

[high field]

How do u turn on ray tracing and all of the good settings on Microsoft simulator

[brittle spindle]

thanks man

[south cliff]

is 400 dollars worth a evga 3090?

[mossy venture]

If its fully working yes

That's cheap asl for a 3090

[obsidian wigeon]

yes if it's working and not a scam

[mossy venture]

Best new you can do is a 6700xt

Normally that's not a bad price for a 3080 12gb, 3090 has been around $575 min

[south cliff]

he says it works and hes willing to do it through facebook marketplace so we both are protected

[south cliff]

i think the evga 3090 kinda inflated a bit because they are not making another product i might be wrong tho?

[mossy venture]

Eh if you're buying a card for performance it's irrelevant

[south cliff]

i can sell my 6800 for like 350

and it has rgb on the front

[mossy venture]

Maybe a bit less, it's been around 360-380 for a bit

[south cliff]

so thats about 50

[mossy venture]

But yeah it'd be a decent upgrade

[south cliff]

i bought a white psu because it was 10 dollars less but i will need 3 8 pins and i only have 2 8 pin sleeved cables

[mossy venture]

You could also then trade it down to a 6900xt/3080 12gb or 6950xt/3080 ti +$100-$200 or smthn like that, since the main extra cost of the 3090 is for workstation use bc of the vram

[potent portal]

Protected how, last I checked there was zero protections

[south cliff]

so ima need to use the white cables ig

[mossy venture]

If you can return it rm750e is $51 on tiktok shop

[obsidian wigeon]

i would do local with these kinda deals

[south cliff]

that was a long time ago

[mossy venture]

That you bought it?

[south cliff]

yeah

[mossy venture]

Ah

What psu is it btw?

3090 transients go brr

[south cliff]

rm850

[mossy venture]

Ah alr

[south cliff]

https://www.facebook.com/help/228307904608701

[south cliff]

no one sells pc parts in my area that muchy

[mossy venture]

Also yeah fal makes a good point I'd take ebay or PayPal g&s over marketplace any day

[south cliff]

and def not at a good price

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd use paypal then

paypal g&s or no deal

[mossy venture]

Also if local meet in a safe place and make sure you can test it (hopefully you already know this but can't hurt to say it)

[south cliff]

ship

[mossy venture]

Mmm

[south cliff]

hes in georgia im in florida

[mossy venture]

If he shows proof of it working, sure

[south cliff]

ill make sure to ask

to send proof

of it working

i dont think you can send a vid on facebook marklet place

ima ask for a pic and time stamp

[potent portal]

Read the first line

[south cliff]

through facebook tho

like im buying it directly through the facebok marketplace

[potent portal]

Better than nothing ig but still really weak if you do qualify

[south cliff]

il ask if he will do paypal

paypal is superior

[manic cloak]

Is the difference between the mercs and qick big on the 7000s

[south cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LGDCrv is this a decent 600 dollar pc for my friend?

[obsidian wigeon]

no

bomb psu, instant no

[tranquil basin]

Hey fellas! For someone with the tech-savviness of a spoon, who loves video-gaming on her laptop this far but is seriously considering getting a pc come this Black Friday, where do i start/what’s a build you’d recommend for the most cost-effectiveness? Thx ahead!

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zKLCrv i'd do this, but newegg tiktok shop has even better deals

[south cliff]

wouldnt 32gb of ram be better tho

i think its fine if he goes over

a little

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah but with a budget this low

there's no sense

[south cliff]

well how much more is 32?

[obsidian wigeon]

unless your friend is fine about buying from tiktok, which is shipped by newegg anyway

[south cliff]

i dont think he would do that he would prob say its to complicated

[obsidian wigeon]

going 32 with such a build ain't worth it ngl

any upgrades to it would instantly require board, ram and cpu swap

[south cliff]

you right

[mossy venture]

As foxy was saying with tiktok shop, can do this with 670p 1tb from tiktok as well

Ends up a bit under 600 for a good bit better gpu and overall quality of parts

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xtJCrv

Not on tiktok foxys and my lists aren't very different https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WnHvZJ

Oh m371 oos

[potent portal]

What kind of budget are you working with? Are you in the US? Any special needs like WiFi?

[tranquil basin]

I think $2k is my absolute upper limit for everything altogether, and i’d much rather dip lower if feasible! Yes 🇺🇸, and yes wifi 🥲 no fiber glass and the highest cable internet my building gets is 10 mbps💔💀

[potent portal]

Is that 2k including a monitor and peripherals?

[tranquil basin]

Yeah

[potent portal]

Edited: forgot WiFi
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HPZL4M

Plenty of room left in the budget for whatever mouse, keyboard, and headset

[glad swallow]

can someone let me know if this is a good list before i buy the parts, trying to stay around 2k, all white build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wRgnmr

[mossy venture]

Do you plan to cpu overclock or ram tune?

Also are you just gaming, or do you use the pc for anything else

[glad swallow]

probably just cpu overclock since the baseclock is a little low, id like to have it around 4-4.5

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DDBm34

Though if you're just gaming I'd swap cpu

Either to 13600k, 7600, or 7800x3d

[glad swallow]

why is that?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N6TWfy
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hmnQGP

[mossy venture]

13700k is about 2% better than 13600k for gaming

Compared side by side it's essentially nonexistent

Oh also do you already have a monitor?

[glad swallow]

i do but id be purchasing newer ones

24gb gpu jesus

im def not streaming imax 4k ultra 5d movies 12gb is fine

[mossy venture]

Vram doesn't really affect performance

[glad swallow]

i like the first list you sent back

[mossy venture]

It has the vram, but that aside it also slightly beats the 4080

Do you want a monitor recc included btw?

There's a few options, 1440p 144hz or 1440p 240hz, which would be better if you value higher frame rates

If you went xtx, you could go 4k144hz

[glad swallow]

although im confused why you changed the gpu to the ti version along with the motherboard and ram

[mossy venture]

It's a more efficient use of your money

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mossy venture]

Spend less in some areas that don't help your performance, Spend more in other areas that do

[glad swallow]

im knowledgeable to a degree so all the opinions are appreciated

[mossy venture]

Like ram, cheaper for a better kit, motherboard cheaper since it's a pretty nice mobo on sale

[glad swallow]

the wifi was a must

[mossy venture]

For something that won't affect your user experience, though it's actually a better mobo

It has wifi

It's just weird

Idk why gigabyte did this but they didn't put Ax ac or wifi in the name

[glad swallow]

running an ethernet cord from the 1st - 2nd floor isnt adding value to my house lol

[mossy venture]

But it does have wifi

Wifi 6e too

[glad swallow]

also the cpu cooler

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd do 7800x3d+xtx

[mossy venture]

An aio isn't needed, but if you want the look of an aio the notte is good. If you want an lcd display for Temps, you can add your own for like $60 separately

[glad swallow]

i just like the fancy display the nxzt one has\

[mossy venture]

Yeah its nice, but nzxt aios are honestly not great

Especially for the price theyre at

[glad swallow]

soif that tells you anything lol

trying to configure looks into the build as well

[mossy venture]

But you can add a display that's actually more customizable yourself

[glad swallow]

but also performance

[mossy venture]

One sec

https://www.amazon.com/HMTECH-Raspberry-Pi-Monitor-Non-Touch/dp/B09MFNLRQQ/

Just gotta route the cables and mount it near the cpu

Though you can mount it anywhere

In the end it's your money so get what you want, but it is incredibly expensive for what you get

[glad swallow]

i believe i had the cosair version in my previous build id have to find the boxes

[mossy venture]

You're gonna hate what I have to say about corsair aios lol

For aios, basically thermalright, deepcool, lian li, EK, arctic, evga, and deepcool make 98% of the good aios

Corsair is very mediocre, again especially at the price

Normally like $180+ for a 360mm and lose to thermalrights $55-70 options

Thermalright has kinda just been absolutely dominating the cooler market in value for the last 6 months or however long

Even fans, they beat $60 corsair 3 packs at $14 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XYPQzy/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12cw-s-x3-d6

This is nicer than the notte
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dWGhP6/deepcool-ls720-se-wh-8585-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ls720-se-wh

[mossy venture]

If you really want the lcd display on the aio, this would be semi reasonable
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JVwmP6/nzxt-kraken-280-rgb-9079-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-rl-kr280-w1

Not too much more than an individual display+aio

[glad swallow]

give me one sec to read through all this im setting up a second monitor

[mossy venture]

So https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GWnQGP

Nah you're good take your time

Also if you still need a monitor recc, with a 4070 ti I'd probably just go 1440p144hz https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JPrYcf/gigabyte-g27q-270-2560x1440-144-hz-monitor-g27q unless you play a lot of competitive first person shooters

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TdbRsY/hp-omen-27qs-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-omen-27qs

[glad swallow]

did the picture of my previous parts send?

This was the previous build I had

There we go

[mossy venture]

What wattage is the psu?

[glad swallow]

750 gold

[mossy venture]

That would be fine, could use white cable extensions

Ssds are fine too

[glad swallow]

it was an amazing pc but i sold it pretty cheap and regret it lol

[mossy venture]

Ah

Thought you were asking if you could reuse any parts

[glad swallow]

i loved the sn750s

oh theyre just the boxes

but i would def buy the same ssds

and ram

[mossy venture]

Eh, ssd model doesn't matter too much for gaming

T500 is actually better, but you likely won't notice a difference between the two

[glad swallow]

the i5 was good but i like the i7 better

[mossy venture]

The i5 vs i7 branding doesn't matter past 10th gen

These last few gens, the 11600k 12600k 13600k and 14600k have all performed within a few % of that generations i9

For gaming that is

13600k is a 14 core cpu

[glad swallow]

what do you think about the asus prime z490? i have a z790 in the cart rn with the wifi stick

[mossy venture]

It's not the best, asus as a whole has dropped off in quality

The z790 aero g is better

Honestly there's not a single asus product that I'd recommend not including sales

When at the right price their products can be good

But they just heavily upcharge for their brand name, same with corsair a lot of the time

[glad swallow]

i was planning on just purchasing all the parts on black friday regardless of if some arent on sale

[mossy venture]

I would change the parts list with sales on black Friday

Just because one product fits the bill doesn't mean it's the best for you

[glad swallow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bmqkjH

[mossy venture]

I mean if I'm being blunt I don't understand why you're getting some of those

Like the motherboard it's just genuinely worse than the gigabyte one, while being more expensive. The t500 is just as good as the sn850x, though it really doesn't make a difference compared to a general gen 3 ssd like the mp33, since ssd speeds do not affect gaming

Aio is fine I get you want the lcd display

Cpu same thing but again whatever, mainly just the ssds and motherboard

Also nice psu, A tier

Which is best tier

Though so is the RM

[glad swallow]

that was just the first white motherboard i saw (with wifi) my computer guy told me to get the sn850xs

[mossy venture]

Ssd prices have gotten really low, so $85 for 1tb is really badly priced

Nah I wouldn't recc them. If you're doing 4k video transfer or a few other workstation tasks, the ssd speeds can matter

[glad swallow]

the 500gb was 56$

[mossy venture]

Gaming is not among those

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qCqPxr/adata-xpg-gammix-s70-blade-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-agammixs70b-2t-cs

Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Mjstt6/acer-predator-gm7000-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-bl9bwwr106

Both are S tier ssds, same tier as sn850x

[glad swallow]

the ssds i chose for the highspoeed transfers

[mossy venture]

A low end gen 3 ssd vs a high end gen 4 drive doesn't make a difference for gaming

But the s70 and gm7000 are both as good as the sn850x

[obsidian wigeon]

even a dramless gen 4 ssd is very fast

[glad swallow]

its just trying to build a pc that will meet your current needs and future ones

[mossy venture]

But you're actively losing out on performance by trying to

[glad swallow]

have you ever heard of raid 0 for your memory like combining them?

[mossy venture]

Raid does not help for gaming

It is another workstation feature

[glad swallow]

so your current issuse is with the cpu cooler and ssds>

[mossy venture]

Nah if you want the lcd display that much the aio is fine

It's atleast not $300

Ssds yeah, the three ones I linked you have very similar speeds, and separately from that the speeds really do not matter. In gaming sequential write speeds are not important

Since you're not doing sequential writes

Mobo too, since the aero g is genuinely just a straight up better motherboard

It has better cpu power deliver (vrms) and overall more features

Better io, I believe more m.2 slots

[glad swallow]

z790 aero g?

[mossy venture]

Yeah

[glad swallow]

do i need the 4070ti or can i save clams and just get the 4070

ive never even heard of galax

[mossy venture]

4070, but just depends on what games you're running. There's a good few games 4070 already isn't enough for high settings 1440p

[glad swallow]

such as?

[mossy venture]

Honestly I'd go xtx at $1070 for white or $930 for black but that's your choice. Galax is a decent brand

[glad swallow]

the most demanding game i play is rust

[mossy venture]

Not great not terrible

Rust prefers amd, but 4070 is plenty for it

[glad swallow]

i mean the regular 4070 brings the overall build down to 1751

[mossy venture]

I'd also downgrade the cpu though

Especially 1440p, 4070 is fine with like a 12400f. 12600kf is $140 now

[glad swallow]

hows the i513500

[mossy venture]

Not worth

[glad swallow]

13600k?

[mossy venture]

12600k would make the most sense, it games the same as the 13400f/13500

13600k is fine for even a 4090, if that gives you an idea of how capable it is

[glad swallow]

mid range for gaming isnt it?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GNsJt7

No

The i5 branding does not matter for gaming anymore

[glad swallow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4y9MCd

i had the i5 in my previous build dont remember what model

[mossy venture]

You're in Europe

That changes literally everything

[glad swallow]

im in usa that was just a eu list from someone

[mossy venture]

Ah ok

[glad swallow]

i think trying to configure all these parts to be white is the difficult part

[tranquil basin]

Thanks a ton!!

[burnt plaza]

thoughts on https://www.newegg.com/nzxt-h9-flow-all-black-atx-mid-tower/p/11-146-347?Item=11-146-347&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

[viral horizon]

how often should i dust my pc

[mossy venture]

check out the nv5

[potent portal]

That depends on how dusty it is in your area. If you're in the Arctic, probably twice a year. If you're near a desert, maybe every couple weeks.

[cyan ravine]

if you see dust, dust it

much like anything else in your house/apartment/living quarters/cardboard box

there's no science to it

[burnt plaza]

i was also considering https://www.newegg.com/black-lian-li-o11-dynamic-evo-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-000Z-00093?Item=2AM-000Z-00093

[potent portal]

Very common choice. Not to say it's bad.

[mossy venture]

that or the nv5/nv7 would be better

[cyan ravine]

as an owner of one, don't

not worth the price unless you have an extreme rig

[burnt plaza]

Wait…why is it not worth it?! What is it you dislike? What would you have done differently?

[cyan ravine]

The price is not worth it

[leaden mauve]

cases are mostly about the aesthetic, if you like how it looks and are okay with the price, go for it

[cyan ravine]

it's a good case, but I wouldn't pay 150 for it

you can get the same out of cheaper dual chamber cases unless you specifically want to upright mount or invert the case

I'd pay 110, not 150

unless, again, extreme build or specific feature

[leaden mauve]

"extreme build"?

[mossy venture]

High end

[cyan ravine]

yeah, throw top of the line parts, custom loop, specific custom aesthetic

"Extreme"

[leaden mauve]

yea, what i mean is why does a build have to be "extreme" for someone to use a certain case lol

[cyan ravine]

Cos other dual case chambers can deliver the same experience and aesthetic for less?

that's like advocating for a strix gpu cos it looks cool and money is no object

[leaden mauve]

yea, but that's subjective when it comes to the aesthetics anyway

[cyan ravine]

which is fine if that's what someone wants

but there's nothing wrong with an opinion either

[burnt plaza]

but, i mean, for $150 (atm) it has both form and function! And I'm generally a pragmatic individual, but I also want to appreciate the aesthetic of that which encapsulates such magnificent design and engineering! loll

lolll that just made me think of brutalist architecture...and what a brutalist pc build might look like xD

for example...lemme see...

[cyan ravine]

but even the old O11 is 110...

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9rt9TW/lian-li-o11-air-mini-atx-mid-tower-case-o11amw
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ByJmP6/lian-li-o11-dynamic-mini-atx-mid-tower-case-o11d-mini-x
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VxRzK8/lian-li-pc-o11dw-atx-full-tower-case-pc-o11dw

so like, my point stands that there's just no point to buying the aesthetic if the same aesthetic exists at a lower price

unless you need the specific feature

there are even more cheaper cases than this too

one's coming from montech that comes decked with fans which is an all over win for it over an o11 of any kind at the same price

[burnt plaza]

My current rotation shelf 😂 I think all but a few of those cost me more than a computer case. And a few of them, if in pristine condition, could each be several cases😂😂😂

to clarify, i don't mind paying $150 for a case. loll. i just want something that I like looking at

[cyan ravine]

that's fine, if you really want that, I have no issue in extra in a case

just my point being the same case exists at a lower price if you never touch the upright or invert configs

[burnt plaza]

I know it's a mixed bag for everyone, but I'm personally not a fan of mini-atx, and especially not the short, stocky Lian Li version of "mini" haha 😛

[cyan ravine]

the old o11 is atx

it's the predecessor of the evo

just without the invert and upright config

I mean you do you if you're still not convinced

[burnt plaza]

you mean the Full tower?

and I saw one dude on yt build in a Lian Li to test every fan configuration, and the options available were really interesting! such as the invert and upright configs. especially the upright.

[high vale]

Anyone know any better GPUs (Less then 500 US) then a 3060 Ti my processor is Ryzen 5 5600x

[mossy venture]

7800xt is $500, 6800xt is around 470, 7700xt is around 450, 6700xt is $300-310, 3070, refurb 3080, 4070 off of tiktok shop is $500

But prices also vary per country

[south cliff]

I bought 3090 evga for the ft3

I bought it for 425

w or l

[pseudo pollen]

W

[mossy venture]

W

[high field]

So I had to clone my internal hardrive from my old pc to my new pc and put all of my storage in my new m.2 ssd I got and now it’s making me purchase another windows key and officen365 is that normal

[obsidian wigeon]

it's fine, ignore that

[high field]

Wym ignore it

In my settings it shows I need to activate it

And offfie 355 says it will deactivate tomorrow

[obsidian wigeon]

try logging in with your ms account

license should transfer over

[high field]

Yeah I’m log into my Microsoft account

Should I try signing out to my Microsoft account

And sign back in?

[obsidian wigeon]

hm, well i'd probably contact ms about this to skip the pain lol

tell them you're just upgrading storage, reinstalled windows within same pc

[high field]

Alright

@obsidian wigeon is there a way to contact Microsoft without having to call

[obsidian wigeon]

ys

[high field]

How

[obsidian wigeon]

there's live chat

[high field]

Where

I can’t find it

[obsidian wigeon]

try looking up for it, i forgot tbh

[high field]

Yeah I’m trying

But all seems to be calling

[obsidian wigeon]

tried restarting your pc yet?

maybe it might activate automatically after some time

[potent portal]

Run the activation troubleshooter. You can search it in settings.

[high field]

Still won’t work for some reason

[severe matrix]

How big of a difference is it from 1080p to 1440p? compared to something like jumping from 60hz to 144hz?

also, how much fps would you lose if you did use it

[obsidian wigeon]

crisper image quality

and well perf loss isn't proportional, but 1440p does demand more gpu power naturally

[cyan ravine]

interesting

@obsidian wigeon

LOQ on top

[obsidian wigeon]

tuf a tier hurts my feelings a tad

[vague oracle]

Damn what they got against the scar 17

[brittle spindle]

Helios 18?

[glad swallow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sRvbwg

[mossy venture]

If you like the look of it, check out the nv5 (case). It looks similar and is a lot better than the h7 elite

I still don't understand pretty much any of those parts, but buy what you want.

[glad swallow]

I would probably get the h9

Just fits the all white

Maybe I’ll just get tinted glass so you cant see the inside

[mossy venture]

i mean in general the list just doesn't make sense

[glad swallow]

Can’t *

[mossy venture]

2 1tb ssds is no better than 1 2tb, the motherboard is overpriced and mediocre, corsair makes worse ram than basically any other brand due to locking VID voltage on ddr5, $30 per fan is insane when they're beaten by c12c which is less than $5 per, the gpu i don't think even uses 12vphwr cable so why atx 3.0 psu

[cyan ravine]

ah yeah

I agree with basically all of that

[mossy venture]

i made him a few lists, he wants what he wants, he can get what he wants to get, but why even ask for help in the first place if you're not planning to listen

[cyan ravine]

nothing wrong with targeting an aesthetic but, you've thrown away maybe 30% performance for it doing so here mate

would also not touch half of nzxt's lineup, nor ever corsair ram

[glad swallow]

Really?

[cyan ravine]

mhm

[glad swallow]

I thought Corsair was alright

[cyan ravine]

noooo

not for ram

ram is a pimple on their clean slate

[glad swallow]

I knew nzxt and performance shouldn’t be in the same sentence but not corsair

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TMhKcH

[cyan ravine]

they use the worst chips from all manufacturers in Corsair ram

i.e

bottom of the barrel

and they do other annoying things like lock it down for no reason other than to protect them from warranty claims

[mossy venture]

nzxt lcd aio included, 2tb gen 4 storage, gm7000 and sn850x are so close in performance it does not matter including in tasks where gen 4 speeds make a differnece, better ram that is rgb and white and cheaper

better motherboard for cheaper though you already know that one

[glad swallow]

I’m listening just weighing all my options before I spend 3k

[mossy venture]

hopefully a case that fits your aesthetic?

[cyan ravine]

man

I have this list beat and I'm not even at 1800 yet

[glad swallow]

White is white haven’t seen many cases that offer anything crazy

[cyan ravine]

e.g

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vnzkjH

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vZHqqs/lian-li-o11-vision-atx-mid-tower-case-pc-o11vw look at this

it's a new o11 variant

it has a glass top as well as front, which is pretty cool

[cyan ravine]

I'd never pick a 4080 normally but just to illustrate the extreme difference

[glad swallow]

I’d get a 4070

And definitely intel

[cyan ravine]

why tho

what are you using the pc for

[zenith cargo]

why is my cpu temp high on chrome?

and only in chrome

rn on disc its 55-60

[potent portal]

Are you playing a video or something? You probably have hardware acceleration off

[cyan ravine]

so why this specifically?

I want to pick your brain on this

why nvidia and intel specifically

[zenith cargo]

i am

and I have it hardware acc on

[cyan ravine]

what cpu

[zenith cargo]

ryzen 5 5600x3d

[cyan ravine]

normal

perfectly normal ryzen behaviour

[zenith cargo]

lol alr

[glad swallow]

Well I’ve always had intel and have always liked it so why change it up

And did you mean nzxt?

[cyan ravine]

no 4070

why 4070 specifically

even if you could get better

[mossy venture]

the cpu brand does not affect your experience

[cyan ravine]

amd and intel perform completely identical in gaming, you wouldn't notice a difference, except that the 7800x3d would be faster

[mossy venture]

13600kf isn't terrible value at 250 though

[cyan ravine]

it's not, but the associated parts to make it run aren't worth it

[mossy venture]

7600 still better value at 200 though

true

[cyan ravine]

mhm

[mossy venture]

he's getting an aio with an lcd display no matter what though

so takes cooler out of the equation

he won't consider doing a separate one as far as i know as well

[cyan ravine]

there are cheaper lcd aios

[mossy venture]

the scenic doesn't have it like we thought it does

what others?

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2PKscf/deepcool-ak400-digital-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak400-bkadmn-g

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g7yH99/deepcool-ak400-digital-wh-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak400-whadmn-g

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M8rqqs/nzxt-kraken-280-9968-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-rl-kn280-b1

kekw

the cheapest aio is still a kraken but overkill and 120

or you could get a deepcool digital and pay a handful of $ instead for a screen that's also bigger

[zenith cargo]

is the kraken elite good?

[cyan ravine]

no

[zenith cargo]

not even decent?

[cyan ravine]

it's hilariously mid

[gentle pollen]

Very poor value afaik.

[cyan ravine]

and the price is terrible

[zenith cargo]

i just want it for the screen 💀

[cyan ravine]

no point

if you want a screen

for like

$5?

[zenith cargo]

yes

[cyan ravine]

grab your old mobile phone

[zenith cargo]

bru

[cyan ravine]

and a usb charging cable

download superdisplay

[zenith cargo]

real

oh well ima get it

[cyan ravine]

and you have a huge screen that you already own

[zenith cargo]

👍

[cyan ravine]

that displays far more than any kraken

[gentle pollen]

Would look rather horrible though.....

[cyan ravine]

mine I use for a sensor panel

[zenith cargo]

ima get it for black friday

[cyan ravine]

it doesn't

[gentle pollen]

Seriously?

[zenith cargo]

it dropped to 200 a few days ago

[cyan ravine]

you can do a lot with aida

where's a pic of mine

hold on

[zenith cargo]

my cpu is already a grill

[gentle pollen]

I mean physically, I can't picture it looking nice.

Not without modding the thing.

[cyan ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1116503613150343278/1172211402564444282/image.png?ex=6568b871&is=65564371&hm=845194b1e2315d9d8b54d1cacb7d8375664d0f7cc99e1d0436098d4d313e7c0c&

[gentle pollen]

Btw Felix, weren't there some actually decent AIOs with screens? Albeit bad value.

[gentle pollen]

No, that's not what I meant.

I meant physically inside the pc.

[zenith cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-death-fall-my-honest-reaction-gif-7305903094934637379

[cyan ravine]

oh mine's not inside the pc

[gentle pollen]

Ahhh okay, that explains it.

[zenith cargo]

i saw a vid, it cools the 7950 at 66 under load

[cyan ravine]

Mine's at my keyboard

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/228922463549915136/1172215403179679786/20231110_034513.jpg?ex=6568bc2a&is=6556472a&hm=9e5a5a78c6504644363b3be24941e6b5c5d05f76593498d2dcd06d31500736cf&

[cyan ravine]

maybe with eco on

I'm on a custom loop and my 7950 gets to 83C

[zenith cargo]

bro my cpu is am4 it cant be that much hotter

[cyan ravine]

uh

[gentle pollen]

Agree with Felix. That or they did a UV.

[cyan ravine]

it is

AM5 you could open a picture of your dog and it'll shoot to 75C

[zenith cargo]

also, is having a dogshi psu bad?

[gentle pollen]

AM5 cpus are designed differently and inherently get much hotter due to a very thick IHS (heat spreader).
If you're determined to go with the Kraken alright, we're just trying to avoid recommending a bad product.

Depends on what your going to use the psu with.

If you pair a bad psu with very power hungry parts, well gl with that.

[cyan ravine]

I mean, if you underspec your psu, then good luck every time you have a blackout nothing dies

[zenith cargo]

I understand with what you guys are trying to tell me but how much worse can it be than my current cooler? you guys don't want me to spend so much on an overpriced product but that doesn't matter to me

[cyan ravine]

it's more like

You will upgrade the cooler

and basically nothing changes

you just get a screen

lol

[zenith cargo]

👍

[cyan ravine]

cos the cooler isn't the bottleneck

it's the ihs

[zenith cargo]

• screen

[cyan ravine]

that's why you could just get a phone

and achieve the same result with aida

but more screen

@earnest olive has an excellent one in his case

[zenith cargo]

ig

[glad swallow]

It doesn’t have to be an nzxt lcd

One of the other ones you had picked out was nice

[latent saddle]

hey yall i have a pc (threadripper 3990x, 2080ti founders edition) that runs super loud and hot, and im thinking of swapping the graphics card to a 30/40 series to bring down the sound (90% of it comes from that) and hopefully the heat as well. any suggestions on a card that would have similar performance to a 2080ti but be have a lower TDP/heat? im aware the threadripper is also part ofthe heat problem but idt i can replace that (also sorryu if this is not the channel to ask qs im new here)

[mossy venture]

4070 is a bit better

3070 is basically the same but less vram, but I'd go 4070

[high field]

@potent portal

[latent saddle]

what about the 4060ti? ik theres the whole thing with the extra vram version

[mossy venture]

4060 ti is not worth. if what you're doing benefits from more vram, maybe

[high field]

These graphics look the exact same as my 1070

@mossy venture

[mossy venture]

what games

[high field]

And I’ve install my new pc

Mags

Looks legit the exact same

[mossy venture]

i can't help rn but fals typing, i gotta run

sorry

[high field]

It’s like my graphics card isn’t getting used or something

[potent portal]

The graphics don't magically improve with new hardware, it smooths out the frames

[high field]

Why in the videos I have the exact same stuff and mine doesn’t look nearly as good as there’s

My gpu load not even going pass 10%

Flying on msfs

[mossy venture]

what are you using to view usage

and have you installed drivers

[high field]

Nzxt cam

[high field]

Yes

[mossy venture]

msi afterburner

i gtg now

[glad swallow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/8MK323

-peripherals what would you change or add

[potent portal]

Did you turn up the graphics settings?

[zenith cargo]

who knows sum good fans

[potent portal]

Good for what

I know lots of good fans

[glad swallow]

im assuming fanning

[zenith cargo]

yes fanning

idk coolong

cooling?

[potent portal]

Cooling what? PC I'm guessing but I mean, air cooler, liquid cooler, what case?

[zenith cargo]

case

wait i mean

air cooler

my case is comes from a prebuilt so its ass 💀

Gamedias Argus M1

[potent portal]

Yeah that's a very small intake vent

I'd go phanteks T30 fans x5 and do front and top intake, rear exhaust, leaving the top rear slot empty

They're thicker than normal fans so the pressure they make is insane, and exactly what you need for that tiny vent

[zenith cargo]

👍

it wont fit on my cpu cooler tho

[jaunty fjord]

antec 3 speed molex fans

[zenith cargo]

chiken?

bru

[jaunty fjord]

no

its me

joe mother

[zenith cargo]

real

[potent portal]

Yeah they're for the case. Improving the overall airflow on the case is better than only improving the fan on the cooler.

[glad swallow]

why is the corsair vengeance have a faster ns than the dominator but the dominator is more expensive?

[potent portal]

It's the brand tax

[glad swallow]

so get the venggeance?

[potent portal]

I'd avoid corsair memory completely

Soooo many bad sticks

Easily the brand we see with the most issues in this server

[glad swallow]

i saw some negative comments on the teamgroup tforce

[potent portal]

They're not fantastic either but still better than corsair

[glad swallow]

im trying to compile a final list that truebacca sent plus or - a couple things\

[mossy venture]

There are always negative comments, no brand has 100% quality control. Corsair actively does things to make their ram worse because they're stupid

[glad swallow]

well it was one performance based review and one on how their rgb software stinks

[mossy venture]

I didn't even know they had a software

Icue is ass though

Actively malware

Just use openrgb

[glad swallow]

"Drawback is the LEDs don't get super white so you have to mess with the RGB settings and that it isn't supported by NZXT mobos"

faster than corsair tho

[potent portal]

All RGB software stinks

[glad swallow]

i mean at the price the teamgroup is i might as well get 64gb no?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pYYQGP

i think this is the final one

@mossy venture

[cyan ravine]

again, why intel and a 4070

[glad swallow]

ius that a bad combo

[cyan ravine]

what is this pc being used for my guy

[glad swallow]

im not understanding

why intel and a 4070 is like the end of the world

[cyan ravine]

what's this pc being used for

just before I commit to my advice, like double down on it

[mossy venture]

64gb is counter productive for gaming

[cyan ravine]

it's a gaming pc? ok yeah I really mean it then

it's just a super expensive combo for no benefit

[glad swallow]

gaming/workstation

mostly gaming

money isnt a varaiable

obviously not gonna spend 5k but\

[cyan ravine]

this would be faster in every single way

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QRtKcH

by a solid near 30%

you just pick a 3x8 strimer instead of a 12vhpwr

4070 is a horrible choice for workstation, it's small bit bus makes it super slow in anything basically not 1440p gaming

[glad swallow]

i mean when i say workstation i dont mean rendering in blender or any demanding task like that

just gaming

[cyan ravine]

all the more so then, cos the 4070 is not good value

for a 4070, you should get a 6800xt, 7800xt or used 3080 instead

[mossy venture]

If you were gonna spend a similar amount to your original list while keeping the same aesthetic, this I think is still about the same price https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KZyqh3

But for cheaper, this is well priced https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nh26Mp/sapphire-pure-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-11330-03-20g

[glad swallow]

how about a 4060ti 12gb

[mossy venture]

That's worse value

The gpus that are worth it are 7800xt, 7600, 7900xt with its sale atm down to 710-730 area, 4070 ti around the same price, 4080 around 1000, 4090 around 1600

And 6700xt and refurb/open box 3060 ti, 3070, 3080

Also obviously 7900xtx

Best value gpu at the moment

[cyan ravine]

just don't do any 40 series that isn't a 4070ti

and even then

a 3090 is better value than a 4070ti

[glad swallow]

why 4070ti over 4070

[vague oracle]

buy a 4090

[cyan ravine]

because the 4070ti is the closest to being a reasonable value

out of all 40 series

[glad swallow]

4090 is wicked expensiuve even for me

[cyan ravine]

yes, I'm not suggesting one

4070ti gets really good around the 700 mark

[glad swallow]

yeah but for $200 more than a 4070 is it worth that

[vague oracle]

4070 is ass

Just get a 3090 at that point

[cyan ravine]

they're completely different gpus the 4070 and 4070ti

significantly faster

nvidia has no naming sense

[mossy venture]

Basically

4070 is OK at $515 right now

But $650 for a white one is absurd. 4070 ti white is what, $90 more last I checked?

For about an around 18% perf increase iirc

[vague oracle]

For $500 I’d go AMD ngl

[glad swallow]

so drop the whole white theme

[vague oracle]

You ain’t doing white on a budget

[glad swallow]

the budget is 2500

[mossy venture]

Nah not what I'm saying

One second

[glad swallow]

performance budget?

[mossy venture]

This is very reasonably priced for a white gpu, and I'll get you a few other links

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nh26Mp/sapphire-pure-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-11330-03-20g

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tb88TW/asrock-taichi-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-tcw-24go
Mediocre but https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rdMMnQ/msi-ventus-2x-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-12-gb-video-card-rtx-4070-ventus-2x-white-12g-oc
Mediocre again but https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Jv26Mp/msi-ventus-2x-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12-gb-video-card-rtx-4070-ti-ventus-2x-white-12g-oc

A second option is buying a black gpu and painting the shroud, which is really easy. There's tutorials on YouTube

[vague oracle]

Woah white ventus?

That’s disgusting

[obsidian wigeon]

ventus 40 is ok tho

[mossy venture]

Yeah its not terrible

[vague oracle]

Ventus 40 is okay?

That’s surprising

[glad swallow]

hm

[south cliff]

Taichi is a beautiful card

[brittle spindle]

I made this list but im not sure which gpu would fit better, and also does anyone have a reccomondation for cheap fans

im trying to keep it around 700

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9YQc4M

[mossy venture]

If you can buy off tiktok shop you can do a lot better
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nM4YL9

Can also do this, 12600kf decent bit better than 5600
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dLFbwg

Tiktok shop you might even be able to fit 7600+6700xt, im not sure

With tiktok shop, gpu, case, fans, and heatsink aren't on tikok https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BRnyVW

[south folio]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s47prv can somebody take a look at this and lmk if its good or if i should change anything for better value

[cyan ravine]

Honestly?

No

That list is excellent

[mossy venture]

Amazing list, if you could buy off tiktok shop you could do better but that's about it

[cyan ravine]

Maybe the case, that's it

[mossy venture]

G300a is $35 rn, plus a 3 pack of c12c

[obsidian wigeon]

list is pretty noice

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much, or bitfenix m

[mossy venture]

Could also swap ssd to $67 p3

[cyan ravine]

But if you want a 903, get one

Ud90 is ok

[mossy venture]

Ye

Just if gaming can save the money

Ud90 is actually among my favorite ssds for absolutely no reason

[cyan ravine]

Lol

Big brother a60

[mossy venture]

If you can buy off tiktok shop though, you could possibly fit a 7900xt in budget

M371 2tb and these with coupons, 7600 is $150 after coupon

[cyan ravine]

Very rare we get someone who's done their homework like this

[mossy venture]

Idk exact price on mobo and ram after coupon, but somewhere around $60 or so and $115 or so

[cyan ravine]

Really good list still

[mossy venture]

Rm750e is also smthn like $60 or so after coupon

[south folio]

thats what i was thinking, but i dont know how the tiktok shop works

[mossy venture]

It's all sold and shipped by newegg, or at least what I'm recommending

I've bought from it personally too

Which is why I'm comfortable recommending it

A lot of people here have actually

@manic cloak @teal dome are the two that come to mind but I know at least dozens here have

[manic cloak]

Howdy

[mossy venture]

Sorry for the unwarranted ping

[manic cloak]

Dw

[south folio]

do i have to have multiple tiktok accounts?

[mossy venture]

Possibly, to get the absolutely lowest possible prices yeah

[south folio]

alright

i'll check it out

[manic cloak]

Basically you do, on my pc I use proton with blue stacks

I always create a new email and new account

Then it connects to tiktok.

[mossy venture]

Dope, I sent screen shots of three of the parts above, but aside from that m371 2tb and rm750e are well priced too

[manic cloak]

Make sure you clear cache and data too from time to time on bluestacks

[south cliff]

Alright so i lied about the 3090 im trading my 6800 plus a 150 dollars for it

[mossy venture]

W trade

[south cliff]

Is that still a w

[mossy venture]

6800 is $370-380 new, id guess around 280-300 used

[manic cloak]

^

[south cliff]

and a old pc i dont ever use

with some old parts so its worth 0 dollars to me

[mossy venture]

Old pc anywhere from 50-700

lol

[manic cloak]

Maybe I should do that w my 7800xt and get a 3090 😎

[mossy venture]

700 part is a joke

[south cliff]

its a i7 4770 and a gtx 950

[mossy venture]

Ah, id say like 100-150

[mossy venture]

Low key id rather the 7800xt

[south cliff]

yeah but its been sitting upstairs in my house for like a year

so 0 dollars to me

[mossy venture]

Yeah nah, good trade on your end

[brittle spindle]

how do i buy these though

[south cliff]

im not loosing anything but sad no box for the 3090

[mossy venture]

Wdym?

[south cliff]

ill just buy one

[mossy venture]

You download tiktok, go to shop, search the item name

Like "7600"

Or ryzen 7600

Gigabyte b650 aorus elite

[south cliff]

and he said he will put nex mx-6 thermal paste on it

new

[mossy venture]

Etc

Nice

[brittle spindle]

oh because i never used tiktok before, is it safe?

[mossy venture]

Means you won't need to repaste it as long as he does a good job

[south cliff]

ima run cyberpunk ray tracing now

[mossy venture]

Yep! Like i said above, myself as well as dozens of others here have bought from it

Just make sure the item is sold and shipped by newegg

[south cliff]

hes sold a bunch of pcs in the past he said thats what he does for a living accoprding to him

[mossy venture]

Any screen shots I or others have posted in #tech-deals are sold and shipped by wegg

So can go by that for recommendations

[mossy venture]

Yeah that makes sense, it could be a gpu he bought broken and fixed it

But nothing wrong with that

[south cliff]

said he bought it apart of a build and is just reselling the things inside of it

[mossy venture]

Ahh alr

[south cliff]

is 850w enough

i dont do oc

[mossy venture]

Certainly but depends on model

3090 transients go brr

[south cliff]

ftw3

[mossy venture]

Model psu

[south cliff]

rm850

[mossy venture]

Ah you're good

[south cliff]

or the rm850x

one of those

[mossy venture]

Rmx better but rm still great

[south cliff]

but its white and my build black

but it was 10 dollars less than black

[mossy venture]

Rm850

No white rmx

[potent portal]

Not me tripping OCP on a RM850x with a 3080 ti

[mossy venture]

That's fair, but worse case scenario you can uv it a bit

[potent portal]

It's gotten a lot better with driver updates though

[south cliff]

im going to have to do a white and black build then

should i use the extra 14 pin on my cpu?

ive seen people not use them

[mossy venture]

I did a white and black build without intending to, I low key really like it

[south cliff]

4*

[mossy venture]

Was gonna say wtf is a 14 pin lol

[potent portal]

I was about to say... 14? lol

[mossy venture]

Nah thats for ln2 ocing

[potent portal]

The 4 pin is totally optional

[mossy venture]

Which you likely are not doing on a 12600k lol

[south cliff]

so i can un plug it if i want?

[mossy venture]

Yep

[south cliff]

me no oc

[potent portal]

Even a 14900k pulling 350W doesn't need more than the 8 pin

[south cliff]

im to scarred to

[mossy venture]

I got white p360a since it was on sale lower than black, but the build looks pretty clean aside from my dismal cable management

Black radiator with white fans also looks really nice imo

[south cliff]

i tried a oc on my 12600k from a youtube vid and looked on reddit and someone said wrong voltage can kill your cpu i instantly reset cmos

[mossy venture]

I mean

Just don't go over that set voltage

Which is I think 1.4v iirc?

1.375 would be safe

(Ask someone else before doing that)

[south cliff]

trust me im not

ill just let it run stock thats good enough for me

but is 3090 kinda a 6950xt or is that better?

[potent portal]

Offset voltage is often better for an average daily OC

6950 is a little better than the 3090, closer to the 3090 ti but not quite

Except in RT ofc

And AI which is becoming more relevant

[south cliff]

alright