building-and-recc-chat

[potent portal]

No you absolutely can make a boot drive using android but it MUST be rooted

[earnest olive]

ooh interesting

[tepid crater]

So what I put my HDD into my roommates ps then download windows onto it?

[earnest olive]

you need a usb drive

well

[tepid crater]

There's no USB port on my hdd

[earnest olive]

I mean you could go that route

well I'd sure hope not

it's for your motherboard

[tepid crater]

Oohhh wait i get you

[potent portal]

You create the windows installer on the usb, and boot the usb to install windows on the hdd

[tepid crater]

Dunno if I have a USB big enough

[earnest olive]

8gb

[potent portal]

8gb

jinx

[earnest olive]

lol

I actually did some testing on that btw

I was able to get it to pass with 5.6gb

at 5.5gb it complained the drive was too small and 8gb was required

[potent portal]

Slightly above a standard dvd. With some trimming using ntlite you could get it to dvd size.

[earnest olive]

but at 5.6gb no complaints install finished

[tepid crater]

This is gonna be fun cause I've never done this before

[earnest olive]

what gpu are you planning to upgrade to btw

so I can give you an appropriate psu recommendation

[tepid crater]

It's a Radeon something. Gimme a sec

[potent portal]

I wouldn't call installing windows 10/11 onto a hdd "fun."
"Time-consuming" and "painstaking" come to mind.

[tepid crater]

Since I can't find a 2070 super for less than 400 bucks

@potent portal I mean I've never done it via USB so

Standard 2070s are around 270 bucks but I want the super. If I get the standard I might aswell just buy a 1080ti

[mossy venture]

the 6700xt is $310-330 and beats the 3060 ti/2080 super

I'd take a 6650xt for 225-230 over a 7600 at 270

[potent portal]

10 series is starting to lose support from game devs, probably going to lose driver support soon

I do not recommend a 1080 ti at this time for gamers

[earnest olive]

https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-legion-gx-gold-pro-sf-750p14xe-750w/p/1HU-024C-00032

this should be good enough

the wattage is pretty overkill but at least on the current market you're sacrificing more than just wattage by going cheaper

[earnest olive]

isn't maxwell still getting driver support?

pascal probably has a few more years of driver support

it's just the API level that's the issue

[potent portal]

Only for game ready stuff, no new features or fixes

[earnest olive]

is there anything known left to fix on maxwell?

[tepid crater]

Oh this is funny

Look what pops up when I'm trying to install windows again

[potent portal]

Drive 0 is your hdd from the look of it

2 partitions, it appears your boot sector was installed there (thanks windows 🙄 )

[tepid crater]

The second one Labled slow is my HDD. The first one is my ssd

[potent portal]

No it's not

Look at the drive number and size

[mossy venture]

it's the same drive, just separate partitions

[tepid crater]

Oh your right woops.

Either way it's not letting me install windows cause it's saying it's already installed. But it won't boot off the HDD

[potent portal]

The problem is there's already data on the hdd

You'd have to delete it all so it can build the partition scheme again

[tepid crater]

So format it. Not a big deal

[potent portal]

Not format, delete both partitions

[tepid crater]

There's just images and videos on it. Nothing of value

That too

[potent portal]

Once you delete them select the unallocated space and hit next

[tepid crater]

Sounds good

Honestly I'm just hoping the shop can get my files off the ssd at the very least

@earnest olive what do you think of corsair? I've used they keyboard and mouse stuff for years but not any internals yet

[earnest olive]

very hit or miss

they have some excellent psus

some not so excellent psus

their fans are fine but generally overpriced for what you're getting

[tepid crater]

I've always loved the mouse and keyboards I've gotten. I was actually looking at a few of they're psu's aswell

[earnest olive]

some excellent cases, some cases that are not bad but overpriced, some bad cases

their entire ram lineup is basically not worth looking at unless buying used

[tepid crater]

I like the case I have so not worried about it. Old school master cooler and it gets the job done lol

[earnest olive]

their coolers are all overpriced

[earnest olive]

apparently they have some of the best thermal paste on the market, but their lower end thermal paste is complete garbage

[tepid crater]

Asking cause I've had this one saved for awhile

[earnest olive]

rm750e is a great unit, just typically recommended for higher end systems than what you're aiming for

it won't hurt to buy it but you won't really see benefits vs the cheaper one i linked you

it's your $25 to spend anyways

[tepid crater]

That's why I was asking.

[earnest olive]

i wouldn't put much thought into "future proofing" power supply now

[tepid crater]

If 25 bucks gives me more room for future upgrades I figure why not

[earnest olive]

the future of power supplies is currently pretty uncertain

atx 3.0 is starting to be adopted and also still nobody knows what's going on with atx12vo adoption

imo it is pretty pointless to buy a power supply now with the intent of keeping it for 12 years

[mossy venture]

but my evga w1 from 10 years ago is still running my 2nd gen intel igpu build fine

[tepid crater]

I mean I don't do any kind of hard-core gaming honestly. And I'm not a huge fan of rgb

[earnest olive]

rgb does not use as much power as you seem to think it does

[tepid crater]

I don't figure it uses much, but it's still extra pull

[mossy venture]

the gx pro 750 could run a 4090, if it had the pcie power cables

[earnest olive]

my build is pretty much worst case scenario for rgb power draw and it's probably not exceeding 20 watts

[mossy venture]

though pigtails might work id spend the extra for the rme on a 4090 lol

[earnest olive]

multiple rgb devices running solid white light (which is the highest power consumption for lighting)

[tepid crater]

I honestly just want a 2070 super or it's equal and I'm good on gpu's for awhile. It's not like I have the monitors for 4k or anything like it anyways

[earnest olive]

the psu i linked you is already quite overkill for your planned rx 7600

i'd just buy it if that's your goal

[tepid crater]

I gotcha

[earnest olive]

you could honestly use that psu with a 7900xt/4080 no problem

you can probably get away with it as well for 7900xtx/4090 but if you are spending that kind of money you might as well beef up the psu too

[tepid crater]

Right

[earnest olive]

even for the 4080 i'd rather go for the rm750e at that point

then again, my 4080 is currently being driven by a $0 chinese psu

[tepid crater]

I need to find a bundle deal on a gpu and psu lol

[earnest olive]

those bundle deals usually aren't really doing much for you

i'd consider replacing your current psu to be pretty urgent

[tepid crater]

Well...the good news on having to reset my pc is it was due for a cleaning anyways. And I can just port over stuff from the HDD to my new ssd once that happens

[earnest olive]

so i'd look to buy something immediately rather than wait for a bundle to pop up

[tepid crater]

Yeah I'll order the psu and ssd Friday when I get paid

Run off the HDD till then

[earnest olive]

welp

good luck with that

hdd is pain

[mossy venture]

if you would be fine with an extra $40, the 6700xt is $310 and outmatches the 3060 ti, as well as 12gb vram which is nice for newer games

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8HBG3C/asrock-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-challenger-d-video-card-rx6700xt-cld-12g

[lone flame]

mine has recently had really bad coil/electrical whine under load i might return it

[lone flame]

oh hey thats mine i think

[earnest olive]

meh, one-offs happen for any model

i've bought a few rm750es

did not have such issues

[lone flame]

i can tell they aren't crap

they feel quality

[earnest olive]

sometimes you just get unlucky

[lone flame]

i guess i got unlucky

i got it in person at best buy

so i will likely be able to return it fairly easily

[earnest olive]

one time i had a client build that i had to repeatedly delay because 6 of the parts came in defective

that customer was an angel

💀

i quit pc building for 3 months after that whole disaster

[lone flame]

damn thats crazy

were they all like

the same part that kept coming in defective

[earnest olive]

literally got 2 dead motherboards in a row and the second one was so dead it killed a known good cpu and ssd

the case arrived like this but seemed fine

until i finished the build and found that the internal connection for the front audio was broken

so i had to take it all apart and get a replacement case

[lone flame]

thats rough

[earnest olive]

the only reason i was able to even troubleshoot all of the different defective parts was because i had 3 ryzen builds in progress at the same time

now imagine how impossible it would be to do all that troubleshooting as someone doing their first build

💀

[lone flame]

im so glad my build went over smooth besides just some driver issues I had

[earnest olive]

that's good

my first build had no defective parts

beginner's luck lol

if that nightmare build happened to me on my first build i would have never gotten into this hobby

prebuilts for life after that

[tepid crater]

Hmm..well I got the pc to boot but it's not acknowledging my second monitor XD

[earnest olive]

because driver isn't installed yet

you can manually install nvidia driver or just wait a while until windows automatically installs one

and then it should show up

[lone flame]

i might do a case swap for christmas, nzxt h6 and king 95 look really appealing to me

[earnest olive]

good luck, hopefully everything about it works lol

[tepid crater]

God you don't realize how much faster a ssd is till you don't have one anymore lol

my pc is moving at like half the speed of smell

i have gig highspeed fiber internet and steam is throttled to 200mbps because of this HDD XD

[lyric thistle]

200 isn't even an issue

[tepid crater]

i know but still. with the ssd it was faster. im just getting a kick out of the lag between trying to open a program and when it actually opens

[lone flame]

i want to go all black i think, something almost like this

something about it looks so good

[teal dome]

@mossy venture 32gb ddr4 ram 3200, 5600x and msi mag tomahawk board for 250? Worth?

[mossy venture]

Imo nah not used

32gb ram $35-40, cpu $100-120, b550 $40-90

[teal dome]

So what’s fair?

It was listed for 300 I asked for 250 and they yes

Also is the mushkin helix L a good ssd?

[mossy venture]

I wouldnt pay over 200 personally, since buying a 5600 b550 and ram separately you could likely get around 200

I've not a clue, never heard of it

[teal dome]

What’s a good atx case?

[teal dome]

Oh alright

My friend trynna buy it im trying to build a pc for him

[mossy venture]

There's a lot, g300a 903 max and x3 are some cheap ones

[teal dome]

Good modular psu?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YqbDwg

list so far

lmk if i should change

[mossy venture]

Gx pro I think is semi mod?

Which is functionally the same thing, only things you can't take off are cpu and mobo power

[teal dome]

budget around 500

[mossy venture]

Which are obviously needed

[teal dome]

its alright if its a little higher

also how much is reasonable for a used 3060ti

listed for 230

[mossy venture]

230s not bad

Check refurb price on ebay, they used to be 250 or so, but that was a couple months ago

Prices mightve dropped a bit

[teal dome]

a;right

still 250

should i ask for 200 or loweR?

[mossy venture]

200-210 would be nice

[cursive wharf]

My first was prebuilt and it would've been ungodly hard to 100% pinpoint my issue. Defective GPU that would only sometimes fail to POST after some sort of change that could affect the GPU (OS/driver update, plug display from one HDMI port to another, use diff display, etc). I only managed to confirm it by switching it into another build. The repairee that looked at my build at Acer was real cool tho. Never managed to replicate my issues, had to go by my unreliable info as I couldnt say I tested the GPU in another build (Hmmmm, I love bad warranty agreements), and upgraded me from a 970 to a 1070 for free during the 2018 GPU shortage.

[teal dome]

alright

is a 600w enough for 3060ti and 5600x

[lyric thistle]

my 280w psu was a fairly easy fault to find

[mossy venture]

Yes

[teal dome]

alright

[cursive wharf]

This was also when I was a little bit less smarter with tech. Even now I have no clue how I'd diagnose that without extra parts and breaking the illegal warranty practices

[earnest olive]

that sounds like hell to diagnose lol

but glad they made it right eventually

[hollow crag]

Bacca if your in here, i asked someone ab the build you gave me and they said just swap the ssd out for this one https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mZ9ph3 is that reasonable?

[mossy venture]

That's the same ssd I had in mine I think

Did you send the wrong link?

[hollow crag]

yes woops

[hollow crag]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nRVG3C/teamgroup-cardea-zero-z440-graphene-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp7001t0c311

[mossy venture]

Either is fine, the z440 is faster and better but it doesn't really matter in gaming

For that small of a difference though why not

[hollow crag]

oh okay

[mossy venture]

Will make a bit of a difference in loading times, extremely small but for $4 no point

[hollow crag]

then ill just save the money

thank you

[cursive wharf]

I was debating on RMA for a long time, didnt really know how well it'd go with an issue that is hard to replicate. Also wasnt a major issue, but I got scared that it'd outright fail outside of warranty or smth.

[mossy venture]

Oh I was saying to just get the z440, there's no point not to* is what I should've said

Sorry

[hollow crag]

ohokay

i dont knowhow to add it to the link you sent me tho

[mossy venture]

I got you one sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xx39KX

[hollow crag]

thanks so much

[thorny flint]

best budget gpu for around 120-130 usd? new or used

[mossy venture]

I'd try for a used 2060 if you can find it

Otherwise 1080/ti, 5700xt, 5600xt, 1660 super or ti, 1070

Maybe an a750?

[thorny flint]

alright thx

[little osprey]

What could I get small 2-in-1 wise for like under 200? (laptop) 💀

used obviously

[plucky timber]

Used?

[little osprey]

I was thinking OG Duet

But I'd like other thoughts

[plucky timber]

Kinda hard to get anything decent new for that price

[cyan plaza]

used laptop

[little osprey]

Yeah no used of course

I'm an avid used laptop enjoyer

[plucky timber]

Used chromebook

Ehhhh

What's the use case?

[little osprey]

Just a gift for my girlfriend who uses bottom of the barrel chromebooks alr and wants a new laptop and tablet and I wanna kill two birds with one stone for low dineros

[plucky timber]

Upgrading from a chromebook to a chromebook isn't much of an upgrade

Then again

[little osprey]

I figured chromebook since that's what they're used to 🤷🏾‍♀️

[plucky timber]

Heavily depends on the use case

[little osprey]

It's just be like, the basics

Web browsing and what not

some digital art if applicable

(partially why 2-in-1)

[plucky timber]

yeah

I'd reckon just get something as new as possible

[cyan plaza]

sadly I have very little knowledge on chrome books, kinda avoided them for how they work. so not sure the reseouce useage it needs vs what you get when you buy a device

[little osprey]

Windows could work too they'd just have to learn it

(Or I can throw ChromeOS Flex on it)

[little osprey]

Alright, I'll try, thanks

[mossy venture]

You can def get a windows laptop for that price

Try looking for like an 8th-11th gen i3 with 8gb+ ram and an ssd

[jagged ember]

Chromebook I wouldn't get ever myself

Too restrictive

[mossy venture]

Same, it limits you so much

[jagged ember]

So damn much

[mossy venture]

I'd rather my old 4030u laptop with an ssd over a chromebook

[jagged ember]

True

At least you can do things other than run approved apps on it

[little osprey]

Yeah I asked in other places and I was recommended some decent machines

Honestly kinda baffled at what you can get for 150$ nowadays

[little osprey]

Even more baffling I only really heard good reception when using those as drawing tablets too

[jagged ember]

Nice!

Binbows as a touch only device kinda sucks in my experience tho

[dusky hearth]

Need a $900 build for VR, specifically vrchat so it would like a decent cpu as well

Région is in the us

[dusky hearth]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N6BH34 this is the list i've configured so far with my not-so-current-knowledge of the hardware space so please make any edits 🙏

also need a monitor to go with this

[little osprey]

I knew you were French

[dusky hearth]

[little osprey]

I was wondering about that

Maybe Windows 11 is a bit better?

[dusky hearth]

windows 8 was pretty good for purely touch, but sucked for mouse and keyboard

[jagged ember]

Maybe, I just gave up on windows as touch only

[dusky hearth]

8.1 improved kb& mouse

[jagged ember]

Worth a shot I guess

[dusky hearth]

windows 8 no more support though

i believe microsoft has improved touch input from windows 11, but i havent tried windows 11 with touch

i dont like touchscreens because it gets fingerprints all over it and i have to wipe it clean

[little osprey]

tbf this would be 2in1 so it'd probably be fine

[dusky hearth]

i had to use a windows 10 tablet for work

definitely wasnt the best

[jagged ember]

Nah, I had a surface pro

I had to treat it as a laptop after 1 week of trying windows touch only lol

But it was also w10

That's pretty much one of the most tablet laptops that uses windows natively

Worth a try anyway though

[tepid crater]

@earnest olive so I called the pc shop that I bought the ssd from and had install it. And like I figured would happen they were just like "yup, sounds like it died. We can install a new one for 180 including labor"

So yeah it looks like I'm ordering a new ssd and PSU and gonna swap them out, see what happens

[jagged ember]

Just do it yourself tbh

Save the labor cost and put it into a better SSD maybe

Or into the psu

Unless parts are hard to come by where you are

[earnest olive]

jesus

180 for a 1tb ssd and 5 seconds of labor?

[potent portal]

What a con job. When I worked in repair like that I would have charged the drive cost +10% and that's it.

[tepid crater]

Yeah I'm gonna do it all myself. And get this, they charge a flat rate of 199 to do data recovery off my old ssd lol

[potent portal]

Assuming they can actually do the recovery that's not a bad price there

[tepid crater]

Not worth it really

[little osprey]

would macos be better?

Could hackintosh

[dusky hearth]

$200 for real data recovery is a good price
but obviously not needing data recovery is the ideal choice, so always make backups

[dusky hearth]

not worth imo

macos isnt touch compatible anyways afaik

[little osprey]

alr

[little osprey]

I believe it is but its probably not much better than windows

[dusky hearth]

there arent any macs with touch displays

and ipados and ios are different afaik

[little osprey]

right

maybe I'd throw linux on it

🧌

[jagged ember]

macos doesn't do touch

iPad os does

Linux I have no clue

Just use it like a laptop with touch

[little osprey]

Linux does touch, and probably in a lot of ways better than Windows, I just wouldn't use it in this scenario 😭

[dusky hearth]

hear me out

[little osprey]

oh what I saw was a demo

:P

[dusky hearth]

android

[little osprey]

might as well use uh

Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

[tepid crater]

@dusky hearth I just don't have anything worth recovering on the ssd.

[earnest olive]

199 is actually pretty cheap for data recovery if they are data recovery professionals

just had a customer recently ask me how to get his data back after he reinstalled windows cause apparently the usb drive he copied his data to failed

apparently he got a $3000 quote from a data recovery service

[teal dome]

I want to salvage the ram cuz it’s ddr4 surprisingly

How do I remove this

This is the hard drive right? How do I connect it to my pc? Is there any way, I wanna try getting data from here if possible

[potent portal]

Pull the metal clips on the sides outwards

[teal dome]

Got them

W ddr4 memory

[potent portal]

Easy, it uses a standard SATA interface once you pull off the adapter cable there. So you just need power and SATA data to connect to PC.

[teal dome]

So sad this laptop is broken man, it has expansion slots and it even has changeable ram

[teal dome]

How do I remove it tho

[potent portal]

Unscrew there

[teal dome]

There’s like that connected to it

[potent portal]

It pulls right out

[teal dome]

Why they gotta be so small

[potent portal]

That cable goes under

[teal dome]

I don’t got that small of a screw driver

[potent portal]

Looks like Phillips 0

Possibly 00

[teal dome]

Is there anything else I can salvage from this?

Any of these look like it?

[potent portal]

You can check if the disc drive is SATA

[teal dome]

Which one?

[potent portal]

DVD drive

[teal dome]

Looks sata idk

[potent portal]

Yeah that looks like SATA to me, you can reuse that then

[teal dome]

W

Got the HDD out

What’s that?

[potent portal]

The adapter for the HDD, comes right off

Pull from the plastic and not the cable though

[teal dome]

W

It’s 1 Terra byte as well

[potent portal]

Noice

[teal dome]

Yeah I just pulled the adapter off

Any use for the ram?

Do I need to format the drive or some?

[potent portal]

You'll probably want to delete the partitions and format after you get the data off

That way you get the full drive to use

[teal dome]

Aight I’ll try to do that

But doesn’t it have windows on it? What do I do with that

[potent portal]

Windows what?

[obsidian wigeon]

wipe the drive

you can format it

[teal dome]

8 or 10 i forgot

[teal dome]

I want the data in there

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

then boot with the drive

there wouldn't be too many issues

[teal dome]

It was my moms old laptop which was broken, since I know a little more about pcs I decided to take it apart

[obsidian wigeon]

but disable any networking

[potent portal]

If it's 8 you can salvage the key using a key finder like magical jellybean. 10 the key is saved to your account and should be transferable digitally.

[obsidian wigeon]

unplug ethernet, turn wifi off

[teal dome]

Hmm ok

[potent portal]

Oh you could probably salvage the Wi-Fi card too, but it's likely an older model

[teal dome]

I’ll turn it the pc on and remove WiFi real quick

[teal dome]

If it works it works

Show me how

It’s new

[potent portal]

One screw and the antennas just pop out

[teal dome]

It’s like 4 years old

Not too bad

Which one?

[obsidian wigeon]

it's probably ac wifi

which is a tad old

the antennas are black and white golden cables

they're pretty small

[teal dome]

Is that Wi-Fi?

[potent portal]

Yep

[obsidian wigeon]

ya

[teal dome]

I think it’s m.2 connector as well

Will be handy

[obsidian wigeon]

it's m.2 e-key

[teal dome]

How do I salvage the antennas? Or I cannot?

[teal dome]

What does that mean

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

you can't use the antennas

unless you wanna take the whole laptop apart

[potent portal]

The antennas run up the back of the screen and are glued to it

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[teal dome]

I mean it’s broken

And I like remove devryrhing anyways

I removed the battery as well

[obsidian wigeon]

i wouldn't bother

it's a hassle lel

[teal dome]

Aight

[obsidian wigeon]

you can just buy antennas

[teal dome]

But the Wi-Fi card won’t work without the antennas no?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[potent portal]

Any new e key carrier card will come with antennas anyway

[teal dome]

What’s a e key!

[obsidian wigeon]

another m.2 slot keying

can't fit ssds

[teal dome]

Oh is it backward compatible?

This screw is not coming off man

So like how do I boot off the new HDD?

It’s gonna be soooo slooowww

[obsidian wigeon]

plug the hdd into your pc

boot up into bios

[teal dome]

Hold up lemme find a sata plug

[south cliff]

Ok so ive been watching videos on the valve index and people were saying that it has horrible build quality but i got the whole kit for a good price just about 413 dollars but im kinda skeptable about it breaking because i hit stuff a little to much when i play vr if anyone has a valve index is it really that bad?

[potent portal]

It's the shape of the connector basically. SSDs are typically M or B key.

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[teal dome]

I forgot what key it is I gotta check

[potent portal]

You don't want to boot the old os in a new PC, it's 50/50 if it works at all. Your best bet is to put the old drive into an already working and installed OS and copy what you need, then wipe it.

[teal dome]

Isn’t this a little bit too small!

[teal dome]

I mean my computer works

So I just plug it in and go the drive?

[potent portal]

Yep it'll show up like a flash drive in "this PC"

[teal dome]

Ok

[teal dome]

Isn’t this too small? Will it work?

[potent portal]

That's correct for the power

You also need data, which motherboards come with those

[teal dome]

Hmm

[teal dome]

Hmm idk where to find.

Lemme check my motherboard box

Idk if it comes with that

I don’t think I got the cable for it

[obsidian wigeon]

the big plug is data

small for power, goes to psu

[potent portal]

Every motherboard that's been sold in the last 15 years comes with SATA cables

[teal dome]

No the thing I plugged in is connected with psu

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

wait im wrong

[south cliff]

big psu small motherboard

[obsidian wigeon]

i haven't worked with sata lmao

[teal dome]

Bro I’m not capping, I got no cables man

[obsidian wigeon]

for like a year by now

[south cliff]

gotta order them

[teal dome]

Gigabyte sucks

[potent portal]

It's a 50 cent cable max anyway

[south cliff]

did you buy it new?

[teal dome]

Shipping and all that will make it higher

[potent portal]

That's why they still include them to this day, it's cheap so why not

[south cliff]

should come with some

[teal dome]

Ye TikTok shop

[potent portal]

Amazon

[south cliff]

look underneath the first layer oof the box

there might be more than 1 layer

[teal dome]

[obsidian wigeon]

damn

bruh

[teal dome]

No prime moment

[south cliff]

welp you got scammed out of one

[teal dome]

I mean I’m not complaining

[south cliff]

i got like 3 in my motherboard

[teal dome]

B550m mobo for 60

[south cliff]

box

[teal dome]

Ship me one

How do I know which data cable works?

[potent portal]

SATA is SATA

[south cliff]

i would but you can just buy from like bestbuy or amazon

[potent portal]

Occasionally you get an older revision but that doesn't matter for HDD

[teal dome]

https://amzn.to/49mkBGH

Does this work?

[south cliff]

yes

[obsidian wigeon]

yee

[teal dome]

Aight I’ll get it one day

Also any use for sodimms?

8 + 4 Gb Samsung Hynix ram ddr4

[obsidian wigeon]

laptop only

[teal dome]

Sadness

If I get a ddr4 laptop I’ll prob upgrade

2400t

[obsidian wigeon]

2400 is slow af if you get a newer ddr4 laptop

so it's probably useless

[teal dome]

True

[teal dome]

What type of cable is that?

[strong raft]

Maybe SAS

[obsidian wigeon]

sata still

[strong raft]

hah, was thinking of that or u.2. The "connected" version was in my head

[white crest]

Hi guys, can I get your opinions on this build?
https://newegg.io/f243440

[obsidian wigeon]

very overpriced

is this a gaming rig?

[white crest]

Yup. Haven't built one in years.

Probably only need around a 3070 tbh

don't care about water cooling but I'll do it if that's just how it's done these days

trying to pick all white parts but not at the expense of quality

anyway, thanks for any input / suggestions

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bcB6BL

ah no aio needed?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TTFLyg

boop

way cheaper

still white

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RZWvRK

or this

to lower the budget

[mossy venture]

Nice lists

Seconded across the board

There's also a white 4070 ti for I think $790 as an inbetween

[teal dome]

Is my fan layout alright? There’s so much heat in there

I can’t tell if they are exhaust or intake

[pseudo pollen]

Turn back one around

Everything is intake rn

[jagged ember]

The side with the four legs on the fan is the exhaust side

[teal dome]

i figured so

[jagged ember]

In your current configuration you're drawing air from the back and the front, you want to flip your rear fan yes

[teal dome]

ill change the one fan to exhaust

[jagged ember]

It'll help a lot

[teal dome]

thanks guys

i was suspisicous

[jagged ember]

The heat will have somewhere to go now lol

[teal dome]

i opened the door

for the case

[jagged ember]

For an all intake and no exhaust fan config that's not enough haha

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-01JK-000E7?Item=9SIB7W5JEA8683&cm_sp=SP-_-1797071-_-0-_-1-_-9SIB7W5JEA8683-_-RGB Case Fans-_-fan|rgb-_-9

Hey guys, will this fit/work for the Hyte Y60 case?

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd get thermalright c12-c whatever rgb fans instead of that thing

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-C12C-S-X3-Computer-Quantities）/dp/B0BKP7S525

this one?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[little osprey]

you know

I would ask why this is cheap

but the last time I got recommended a Thermalright (the CPU Cooler) it's actually pretty freaking good

[obsidian wigeon]

thermalright has been making nice and cheap products lately

[teal dome]

It’s working, it’s only 70 c with full load, I’m playing Minecraft so I’m chilling

[little osprey]

so will this work on a Hyte Y60?

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[little osprey]

bet

appreciate it

[pseudo pollen]

70c isn't the best temps, but it's completely reasonable at full load

I get like 60c max on my GPU full load, 40c on my cpu because I have an overkill cooler on it

[earnest olive]

40c on your cpu?

curious as to what you think full load means

my i3-12100 with contact frame and galahad 360 was hitting 53c full load with 18c ambient

[pseudo pollen]

100% usage all core

[earnest olive]

in what

[pseudo pollen]

Cine bench multi core test

I have an ap201 with 7 p12 max fans with an aggressive fan curve set

[earnest olive]

meh, cinebench is not that heavy on cooling

your ambient must be low though to be hitting 40c in cinebench still

[pseudo pollen]

Not really

Like maybe 68F ambient

If my cpu hits 40c my fans ramp up.

[earnest olive]

cinebench runs like 15c colder than prime for me

and the difference would probably be bigger if i wasn't thermal throttling in prime lol

[pseudo pollen]

I'll try that tmr when I get on my pc

[earnest olive]

102C 360W at 4.0ghz

fun stuff

[pseudo pollen]

I don't even break 130w with my 13500

[earnest olive]

cinebench runs like 85c 250W 5.6ghz

[pseudo pollen]

What cpu?

[earnest olive]

13700K

i managed to get genshin to push the cpu harder than cinebench

[pseudo pollen]

Never knew genshin was a cpu heavy game lol

[earnest olive]

360W in genshin loading screen when using igpu

[pseudo pollen]

I've honestly never had the money or need for a high end cpu

[earnest olive]

my school bought it for me

[pseudo pollen]

Man I need to go to that school

[white crest]

Thanks so much for these!

[teal dome]

I tried connecting my sata from my psu and it did not fit

[teal dome]

Yeah true, I don’t got my screw driver rn so I did not switch yet

[vague oracle]

I should get my school to buy me a 14900k

[teal dome]

Make that 149000k

[earnest olive]

but I already bought you one

you didn't check your mailbox yet?

is it a bad bin? do you want another one?

[vague oracle]

Smh I ain’t get nothing yet

[earnest olive]

mb

I'll hand deliver it next time

[vague oracle]

Nothing yet

Why you scam me 😭

[earnest olive]

someone sent you a new message on tinder huh

[vague oracle]

Shhhh

not cheating on you

[earnest olive]

it’s ok I deserve to be cheated on because your 14900k hasn’t arrived yet

[vague oracle]

Good kitten

[proven salmon]

Hay im having some issues lately with my pc for some reason my light in my pc turn on and off and my keyboard and mouse disconnect is there something I can try. To fix it?

Also I try to open some games and they open but immediately close

[stoic island]

For the RGB in your PC, are you controlling them with software? If so, what software? What motherboard do you have? And is it specific games that always immediately close or it just happens once in a while to any game? And are your graphics drivers updated?

[desert gulch]

only scam i see is gradescope

i literally hate gradescope

[manic cloak]

200$ for a 2080ti is that any good?

[mossy venture]

Pretty nice

[wide sparrow]

Very

[pseudo pollen]

getting around 40C on the e cores, and 50-60C on the P cores.

[earnest olive]

still overkill as hell but yeah sounds more reasonable for a full load value

your 13500 on air shouldn't be running colder than my 12100 on water

[pseudo pollen]

still, aggresive fan curve

what rpm were your fans at?

mine probably go to 1500-2000 at full load

[earnest olive]

40% and 100% didn't make any difference lol

53C regardless

[pseudo pollen]

odd

[earnest olive]

the bottleneck was fully at the IHS transfer

cooling the radiator harder won't do anything when there's barely any heat to dissipate

[pseudo pollen]

I am actually considering getting an aio if I see one for a good price in the future

Since I'm the type of guy who likes to get temps as low as possible, even if there's no performance gain

[earnest olive]

not worth it

adding more points of failure to your system

aios are also louder than air coolers in a situation like that

and you're probably also bottlenecked by IHS transfer anyways

[pseudo pollen]

eh, I already have a lot of background noise, so my pc making some really doesn't matter for me

[pseudo pollen]

Yeah I expect that, isn't there a way of sanding down the IHS to get better transfer? I heard of someone doing that and getting better temps

[earnest olive]

I mean yeah

all that for a 13500 though

[pseudo pollen]

I mean

[earnest olive]

you should upgrade to a 14900k so you can have more degrees to knock off

[pseudo pollen]

I don't have that kind of money sadly, but a 14900k in a b660 with a 3070 would go great

[plucky timber]

you'll get better results by undervolting it

[pseudo pollen]

It's a locked cpu

[plucky timber]

Have you tried limiting the TDP?

[pseudo pollen]

I actually unlocked the tdp to get better performance, it pulls around 120w rn

[plucky timber]

Oh damn

Meanwhile

7w cpu

It runs

Gives me a lot more battery life too

[pseudo pollen]

I keep laptop plugged in anyways

[plucky timber]

My laptop is on battery most of the time

Or at least half the time

[analog hearth]

My most powerful server’s CPU’s TDP is 35W

[honest knot]

😳very stronk

[split cliff]

im too lazy to build a pc, is this good https://www.bestbuy.com/site/thermaltake-view-i467t-r4-gaming-desktop-12th-gen-intel-core-i7-12700f-32gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-1tb-nvme-m-2-white/6560192.p?skuId=6560192

[mossy venture]

It looks solid

Case isn't the best

Well more accurately case looks actively bad

But as far as pre builts go, solid

[split cliff]

yea that case is quite ugly but what can i do T_T

[mossy venture]

If you'd want to, you could do a custom build and have someone local to you build it

Pay* someone local to

Would probably be $100-200, but overall you could get a better quality pc

Potentially anyways, let me pull a list together rq

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n7WH34

Or if you want white could do one for that too

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cpb7wg

[split cliff]

omg thank u so much for this. i might swap ryzen 5 for a 7 while at it, and some other tweaks

[obsidian wigeon]

not worth the sacrifices to pay $100 more just to have 7700x tbh

[mossy venture]

Eh, are you playing at 1440p?

[split cliff]

yea i have 1440p

[mossy venture]

The 7600 would be fine then, at 1440p it limits the 4080 at most by 10%, it's def fine with a 4070 ti

(Ofc depends on game, but in almost all games where you'd notice a difference with a better cpu, you're already getting 500+ fps)

[obsidian wigeon]

im sad about ssds creeping up in price ngl

[mossy venture]

Same

Still glad I got my 1tb m450 for $28 and 2tb p41 plus for $35

And nv2 for $34 for my partners pc

1tb

[split cliff]

i see, thx for the info. i’ll send u a modified list later and see if it’s good? (eating dinner rn lol)

[obsidian wigeon]

glad i bought my 1tb mp33 for $26

[mossy venture]

Sure, but if you'd rather tell me specific things you're looking for I could find something that fits your needs

Or foxy if they're not busy

[split cliff]

i just wanna swap the ram to white colors and the tower to this: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7ZBG3C/nzxt-h9-flow-atx-mid-tower-case-cm-h91fw-01

…and most importantly, i’m not sure about water cooling. it looks cool, or is using a radiator good enough?

@mossy venture ^

[mossy venture]

Yeah I gotchu, would h7 flow be fine?

@split cliff

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fh3rGP

Aio also has an lcd display

[split cliff]

would be best if it’s h9

[pseudo pollen]

Nope

[mossy venture]

That list is it then

[mossy venture]

Wait what?

[pseudo pollen]

Just rgb

[split cliff]

last dumb question, best way to find a local person to build pc for u?

[mossy venture]

Huh, my bad

[mossy venture]

Fbm, or maybe local pc shop. Best buy geek squad might, but they're normally expensive and have varying levels of quality, some know what they're doing some don't

But I guess that's true for the local pc shop and fbm

Could also do this for aio btw https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YdGhP6/thermalright-frozen-prism-argb-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-240-white-argb

And there's quite a few other cheap options from thermalright

$63 360mm is very well priced https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VnMMnQ/thermalright-frozen-prism-argb-704-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-prism-360-white-argb

Also another case option, if you like the look too
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gY26Mp/phanteks-nv5-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-nv523tg_dmw01

[split cliff]

so good, thank u for ur time @mossy venture 🙏🙏

[split cliff]

@mossy venture btw the compatibility notes on that list said

"The video card PCIe 16-pin power connector adapter is being supplied by three 6+2-pin power connectors. Please ensure that the three 6+2-pin power connectors are not daisy-chained and do not share the same power cable."

will this affect anything?

[mossy venture]

Will need an adapter

You could avoid it with this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9GLdnQ/thermaltake-toughpower-gf-a3-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-l

But no white cables

[split cliff]

that's all good, ill get the phanetks nv5 tower to hide the black PSU

[little osprey]

What's the best CPU processor as of this year guys?

[potent portal]

It sounds weird but for gaming, 7800X3D

For productivity, 7950X unless you can get a monster cooler for a 13900k (don't bother with the 14900k, it's just a slightly overclocked 13900k)

For HEDT, threadripper, no contest

[little osprey]

I was complete dilemma between Intel and Ryzen these days perhaps I guess, I'll choose your prefer option, the last time I get ROG complete gaming setup view I bought from seller, it wasn't bad for productivity nor gaming and experience.

[little osprey]

Thanks!

[split cliff]

does AIO act as exhaust fan for the entire pc?

im thinking 3:1 ratio, having more sets of intake,
and 1 set of exhaust (the AIO) at the top of the case,
is this a good idea?

[pseudo pollen]

All 4090s are overbuilt, just choose the cheapest one

[pseudo pollen]

Ideally you want the aio up front getting cool air, but yes it will act as exhaust if put up top

[split cliff]

alright, i’ll do front and bottom getting cool air and then exhaust hot air on top and back of the case

[pseudo pollen]

What case do you have

[split cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sWbRsY/phanteks-nv7-atx-full-tower-case-ph-nv723tg_dmw01

[pseudo pollen]

Just make sure not to put the aio at the bottom

[split cliff]

i’m putting it at the top, above the CPU

[pseudo pollen]

Alright, won't be bad

I'd personally put it on the side, but that's just me

Because if it's at the top it's drawing in hot air coming from the GPU, which increases cpu temps

[split cliff]

when u mean side, the back side?

[pseudo pollen]

Yeah

[split cliff]

i guess i’ll have to get a 240mm AIO for that then

[pseudo pollen]

Oh wait

Nah not that side

The back of the case, like where the cables go

To the right of the front panel

[split cliff]

oh hmm

i didn’t buy the parts yet but that side can fit 4 fans, not sure how the AIO will work there

[pseudo pollen]

Honestly in such a big case it might not make a difference between the top and the side

You can put it at the top or side, it just might look weird at the side.

Personal preference at that point

Ok, good for you

[split cliff]

basically what i mean

[pseudo pollen]

👍

[plucky timber]

Damn

That is a sleek case

[jagged ember]

Why's it tilted

I'm bothered

[teal dome]

Picture I think

[jagged ember]

Nah the base is definitely a right angle triangle

With a little hub on the bottom

[split cliff]

yo anyone have a recommendation on motherboard that has SPDIF
cpu: ryzen 5 7600
gpu: rtx 4070 Ti
monitor: 1440p

[obsidian wigeon]

hmmm

b650 livemixer?

[split cliff]

oh forgot to mention i would want it to go with a white themed build

[obsidian wigeon]

ah well

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ckhFf7/asrock-b650-livemixer-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-livemixer

[split cliff]

and no 4K, that was just idk

[obsidian wigeon]

here's the link anyway

it's one fruity color theme that's for sure

[split cliff]

true but damn if it was light blue

i wouldve copped for sure

[obsidian wigeon]

lemme sift thru some boards, there's gotta be something good

[split cliff]

i was considering this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi

but damn it had no SPDIF

[potent portal]

You could always get an add in card or USB adapter for spdif

External sound cards always worked better than onboard for me too

[split cliff]

i was worried it would lose audio quality

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bCjBD3/gigabyte-b650-aero-g-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-aero-g

this is as kow as i can find

[potent portal]

If anything it'll be better quality because it'll be electrically isolated from the rest of the motherboard

[obsidian wigeon]

which is.. very expensive at $259

[split cliff]

i see, do u recommed any?

[split cliff]

huge RIP

[obsidian wigeon]

exactly

a dedicated audio card would do very well

[split cliff]

thx for looking tho

yea i might just do a audio card

gonna need to find a good one

[obsidian wigeon]

shame amazon one is oos

$189 would still be justifiable

[potent portal]

How much are you willing to spend?

You'd be looking at $30-100

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-XONAR-SE-Channel-Compatibility/dp/B07HCX1NY9
https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Blaster-Audigy-Performance-Headphone/dp/B00EO6X7PG
https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Internal-Headphones-Discrete-Supports/dp/B08HYPH5T6?th=1

[split cliff]

thx, these are great

[sullen spoke]

did you already have some form of soundcard, dac/amp? since I saw you were looking for spdif

[potent portal]

They were looking for AM5 motherboards with spdif which are apparently becoming rare and expensive

So it would actually be cheaper to buy a $140 motherboard and get a $60 sound card

[obsidian wigeon]

$125 actually :p

b650m pro rs wifi

[plucky timber]

Wow

I remember seeing spdif on my boards

And never using them

Think it was even on a 775

[jagged ember]

Spdif is now becoming more rare?

That's crazy

For a thing that hasn't seen a single update in a decade

[obsidian wigeon]

yeh

it's weird

board makers are making it a special feature

just like bios debug display

[south cliff]

my friends alienware laptop is 300hz but when he connect it to monitor its only 60

he uses hdmi

if he switches to dp will it fix it

[potent portal]

Which screen is only 60? The internal or external?

And what resolution on both

[teal dome]

Change resolution or use display port cable

If your laptop doesn’t have display port cable use hdmi adapter

[potent portal]

An adapter won't change the max bandwidth on the port

What could work is a USB C dock

[south cliff]

its a 240 hz alienware

[south cliff]

trid

tried it

not dp cable tho

[potent portal]

Ok, but which one is being limited to 60 and what resolution are they

[south cliff]

the monitor not laptop

1080p

[potent portal]

Ok, so the external display is 1080p 240hz and the internal is 1080p 300hz? And the external you can't change from 60hz?

[south cliff]

yes

[potent portal]

Do you happen to know what HDMI version it is

[south cliff]

no but he has tried a diffrent ones

im suspecting that its just the hdmis

[potent portal]

No I mean the port

On the laptop and the monitor, both will need to be at least 2.0

[mossy venture]

Also could try changing it nvidia control panel by setting a custom resolution

If that doesn't work it'll reset in 15s

[south cliff]

ok

[south cliff]

how do i apply the custom res

or how does he

[mossy venture]

Ss of where at now?

[south cliff]

he is at the "test screen"

to put in the res

[mossy venture]

Ss pls my brain is not comprehending

Its been a long time since I've looked at nvcp

[south cliff]

one sec

i doesent work

L hdmi

[mossy venture]

Does the laptop have a dp port?

It might be mini dp

[south cliff]

yes it has a dp

[mossy venture]

That should work

[south cliff]

alr

thanks

[fickle inlet]

not sure if this is the right place for this or not but i had a question
i purchased a ASUS ROG Strix Z690-F motherboard last month, with the help of my buddy we were going to upgrade the motherboard and CPU to try and get a better preforming computer as mine was about 8 years old. So during a sale i got the motherboard and an Intel Core i5 LGA 1700, then some things got in the way he was busy for a bit then when we starting diving into the computer build he noticed my current fan and ram weren't compatible with the motherboard so long story short I had to go an get new RAM and a new cooler not that big of a deal just was unexpected expense. Well to make a long story short I am returning the motherboard because according to my buddy it was dead on arrival, so now I am in a pickle I can either put my old computer back together and wait for another sale of the Strix Z690-F or find another board that will work with all my new components which brings me to my question. I see there is a sale on a ASUS TUF gaming Z690-Plus motherboard will this motherboard work with the following parts.
Intel Core i5-12600KF LGA 1700 600 series chipset CPU
Samsung 980 Pro SSD
Crucial 16GB RAM DDR5 4800
DeepCool AK400 CPU Air Cooler says it works with the Intel LGA 1700
RX580 graphics card
my buddy who is the computer expert is going to again help me out putting it together and trouble shooting if there is problems but I would really like to not have to buy more new components to fit into the motherboard if at all possible. So if the TUF Z690 doesnt fit I would much rather buy another motherboard that would fit all my current new components instead of buying all new parts.

[mossy venture]

Yes but I wouldn't recommend the ram or cooler either

There's plenty of mobos in the $100-130 area that'll work with that build though

16gb ddr5 is bad, 8gb sticks perform like 40% worse than 16gb sticks, and only using one stick of ram is almost as bad

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/r2xxFT/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl40-memory-sp032gxlwu600fdg
Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl32-memory-flbd532g5600hc32dc01

Second one is actually better of the two performance wise

Then b760m pro rs or pg lightning, if you're in the US

[fickle inlet]

okay. shoot i didnt want any more expenses since it started with just a power issue and has grown to almost a whole new computer

[mossy venture]

How much was the mobo?

And could you return the mobo, ram, and cooler?

Or the mobo and ram?

I'll be back in like 10-15min

[fickle inlet]

the mobo is in its box getting ready to go back i was still within the time frame, i dont know how the ram works and i assume i could clean up the cooler and send that back if i cannot i guess i have wasted more on other stuff

the mobo was 180

[mossy venture]

Then if you returned the mobo and ram, you could get a cheaper mobo with a 32gb kit of ram

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qJmdmD

$20 over the cost of the z690 alone

The ak400 will be fine, it's not great value but it's not a bad cooler

[fickle inlet]

so you are saying i should maybe stay away from the TUF mobo?
i can still "splurge" on the higher ram no problem i just really didnt want to buy a motherboard and then have the same problems i had before where oh the cooler doesnt fit need a new one there or the ram is a different pin set so new ones there, my buddy was sort of in a hurry when he said you should get this mobo and cpu and forgot to check what ram it would take and just spaced out that my ADM cpu cooler wouldnt work on my intel cpu. i mean since i spent 180 of the mobo i am returning and as long as i can return the 16 RAM kit i would be upgrading my ram and only have to spend another 5 on more ram. old setup $180 for mobo and 60 for Ram vs new set up $160 mobo and $85 ram

[mossy venture]

The cooler, you need the lga 1700 bracket

It should've come with one, but if not contact deepcool

The tuf is a better motherboard, but if you don't plan to cpu overclock there's no point. And cpu ocing doesn't really help that much in gaming anymore

I'd rather spend the extra $10 for hynix ram and ram tune, the difference in that would be much more than from cpu overclocking

Actually I'd take this over the tuf, it's better https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K9Fbt6/msi-pro-z690-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-wifi

Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8ncG3C/gigabyte-z790-ud-ac-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ac

Both come with wifi, both have a better feature set

But if you don't plan to cpu oc, I'd still go for a cheaper b760

[fickle inlet]

okay thats for your help

[mossy venture]

Np, if you've any questions feel free to ping me

[split cliff]

do u need an AIO for the CPU if u plan on custom liquid looping ur GPU and CPU?

[little osprey]

What?

If you’re gonna do a custom loop you’re gonna need a radiator

AIO’s aren’t meant to be serviced or modded

[mossy venture]

Custom loop will run you upwards of $800

Just for the custom loop parts

An aio is separate from a custom loop, two different things

[split cliff]

so from my understanding, custom loop can water cool both CPU / GPU, but it requires you to buy radiator and other parts (CPU waterblock, GPU radiator, tubes, pumps, etc) and connect them all together urself

where as AIO is pre-built u just need to mount it to ur CPU and it only water cools the CPU

sorry im like not very good with pc building knowledge rn

[split cliff]

im aware it's expensive but it looks cool :P

[little osprey]

It’s gonna pose reliability issues and is ultimately only serves a purpose if you do XOC

Even then people would much rather run LN2

I would heavily recommend just sticking to an AIO if you’re new to the whole thing or just running stock clocks

The gamble of having leaks isn’t worth it

[vague oracle]

Meh not really

You can put together a decent loop for around $400ish

[mossy venture]

You also have to drain it and clean it every 2-4 months

[vague oracle]

No?

Maintenance is more like once a year

Can be even like once every 2 years if you’re running clear coolants

[split cliff]

i heard it's like 2 years if u use nanofluids

[balmy lichen]

Hi guys, I'm looking for lga1700 mobo that supports 4090 and gen5 m.2. Any suggestions?

Please 🙏:)

[mossy venture]

I was told 2-4 months, I've no clue about nanofluids

[mossy venture]

What're you using the pc for?

[vague oracle]

No one is using nanofluids in loops

[mossy venture]

If gaming gen 5 is pointless

[balmy lichen]

Gaming

[mossy venture]

And what cpu are you going to use

[vague oracle]

Clear coolant is all you need

[balmy lichen]

I914900k

[vague oracle]

Gen 5 M.2 throttles your 4090

[balmy lichen]

Wow

[mossy venture]

Also no point for 14900k for gaming when 7800x3d outmatched it and 13600k and 14600k perform within a few percent of it, but one sec

[vague oracle]

Most boards share PCie lanes between the Gen 5 M.2 slot and GPU

GPU only will run at pcie4.0x8 instead of PCIex16

Gen 4 will let it run at full speeds

[balmy lichen]

Interesting

[balmy lichen]

I'll look into it

[vague oracle]

Any M.2 in that Gen 5 M.2 slot will cause the gpu to run at PCIe 4.0x8

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K9Fbt6/msi-pro-z690-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8ncG3C/gigabyte-z790-ud-ac-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ac
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xXxRsY/gigabyte-z790-ud-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ax

[vague oracle]

I had to take mine out to get my 4090 running at 100%

[balmy lichen]

Is there a website I can assemble a virtual pc and see it's bench?

[mossy venture]

See it bench no, but what are you looking to spend on the build?

And do you have a specific aesthetic in mind?

And on YouTube you can find benchmarks for cpu/gpu combos

[balmy lichen]

Unlimited$ with financing for 2 years

[balmy lichen]

Performance priority

[mossy venture]

Targeting 1440p or 4k

And im assuming you want 4090? If not, the 7900xtx performs only 25-30% worse while being like $850 cheaper

[balmy lichen]

1440 in newest titles. 4k in old games

[balmy lichen]

I'll pay for 30% better)

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FTZBvj

The 4090 is pretty awful value rn, but if you're set on it that's the list I'd do

[balmy lichen]

I want the best possible single gpu pc money can buy

For gaming, finally)

[mossy venture]

Well dual gpu is pointless, so def don't get 2 gpus

[balmy lichen]

Ok

[mossy venture]

Do you alr have a monitor in mind?

If not, do you want a 4k monitor and you'll downscale to 1440p when needed, or do you want two separate monitors

[balmy lichen]

KOORUI 27 inch Gaming Monitor - WQHD (2560x1440) Computer Monitor, 240Hz, 1ms, Extreme Low Motion Blur, Adaptive Sync, HDR400, HDMI DisplayPort 2K Monitor, VESA Mountable, Black 27E3QK https://a.co/d/3egzPJ4

[mossy venture]

You're in canada?

[balmy lichen]

Yup

[mossy venture]

List I made is pointless

Give me a few again

[balmy lichen]

Thank you for you time!

[mossy venture]

And one sec I'll get back to you on the monitor. I'd avoid that one though, normally brand doesn't matter but that one tends to be a red flag

Specs on paper look good, but I highly doubt the panel is any good

[balmy lichen]

Ok

[mossy venture]

And np!

Do you need wifi, or using ethernet?

[balmy lichen]

Wifi6 is enough. I can get ethernet cable too

[mossy venture]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/88PmL9

Could spend some more for a better mobo

[balmy lichen]

Is assassin better than noctua NH-U12a?

Please feel free to throw in whatever is best

[mossy venture]

Yeah

[mossy venture]

It's not really a matter of what's best and moreso a matter of spending hundreds of dollars on some very small things

I think this is the most I'd spend https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jN3gXL/asrock-b650-pg-lightning-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-pg-lightning

Alr here https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/4HpjGP

Put in a better psu too

[balmy lichen]

What do you think of this?

CORSAIR Vengeance RGB DDR5 RAM 96GB (2x48GB) 6800MHz CL40 Intel XMP iCUE Compatible Computer Memory - Black (CMH96GX5M2B6800C40) https://a.co/d/gUa6wp0

[mossy venture]

Amd doesn't like over 6000mhz ram, and if you go intel there's better options

[balmy lichen]

What is better for Intel?

I'm ok with 6k

[mossy venture]

There's 6400c32 kits

[balmy lichen]

Also how are amd cpu contact frames like? I didn't do any research on amd yet

[vague oracle]

Doesn’t need a contact frame

[mossy venture]

Intel side, but worse than 7800x3d https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kMybpB

The 14600kf you might want a contact frame

Could also do this for mobo and could take out the wifi card in the list, since this comes with wifi https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QJC48d/asrock-b760m-steel-legend-wifi-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-steel-legend-wifi

[balmy lichen]

Is G.Skill 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 better than corsair 2×48 6800?

[mossy venture]

Well first off over 32gb is pointless for gaming, 48gb would be excusable

Above that is just silly

Corsair does something with their ram that makes it not great, they lock the VID voltage iirc which leads to it performing worse

[vague oracle]

2x24kits are best rn

Easiest to run at high frequencies

[mossy venture]

Also, above 6400 you're mostly just paying for diminishing returns

At that point, just get the 6000c32 kit and go into bios and change a couple settings

[balmy lichen]

I like factorio and dsp, scaling of factories there was making my old laptop with 32 ram lag badly

[mossy venture]

And it'll perform better than the XMP 6800c40 kit

[vague oracle]

That’s your cpu struggling, not really ram

[balmy lichen]

Thank you

[mossy venture]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/mCwmP6/gskill-ripjaws-s5-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6800-cl34-memory-f5-6800j3446f24gx2-rs5k
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/RV4Zxr/gskill-ripjaws-s5-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f24gx2-rs5k

One of those if you want more than 32gb

[vague oracle]

I’m running Factorio with MASSIVE accumulator arrows on my 13900k and I don’t break 10gb of ram usage

[balmy lichen]

Thank you a lot! It's astonishing how much learning one has to do to just buy a pc these days 😂 I gotta go, gents. I appreciate your time, opened all the links, see yall later!

[mossy venture]

Cya

[balmy lichen]

Last but not least, air cpu cooling or liquid?

I'm afraid of this novel way. Dangerous?

[mossy venture]

Either. Am5 is limited by IHS thickness and thermal transfer

One sec

The 14600k doesn't need an aio, but its not exactly bad to have one

I've an aio on my 13600k

Aios have shorter life spans though, typically 3-5 Years

[mossy venture]

Basically $20 cooler is fine for even a 7950x3d

Is what that means

If you did want an aio, I'd get
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/yBDQzy/deepcool-ls720-se-8585-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ls720-se
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/RD7scf/thermalright-frozen-notte-argb-7237-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-notte-360-black-argb-d1

Or https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/ttt9TW/ek-aio-280-d-rgb-116-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-aio-280-d-rgb

[balmy lichen]

Thank you for suggestions
Idk if I want any water cooling 🤔

If it's possible to live without it, I'll avoid it

[mossy venture]

14900k would need one

But like I said pointless to get an i9 for gaming

[balmy lichen]

Is there a cheaper cpu that performs better in games? Amd?

[mossy venture]

7800x3d

[balmy lichen]

Ok

Damn

I'll learn

[lone flame]

1800 for a 4090 is wild

1800 for a gpu in general is

[mossy venture]

Yeah, prices are up

And seconded

7900xtx is basically half the price

While only being 25-30% worse

[pseudo pollen]

4080 around that price too iirc

[mossy venture]

Cheapest is $1060 rn

[stiff vapor]

I have the need to make a custom build. There are some special conditions to consider. I want to use Linux as the OS, in particular Linux Mint (a fork of Ubuntu) and my use is for audio / video production and for using VMs to create virtual network labs. I am looking to use an SSD for the operating systems and Raid 5 with HDDs for storage. I do need quick response and could even use to run flight simulator software, as there is good software written for Linux. I would only use windows as the base OS if it was the last resort. Thoughts?

Oh, and I am tyring to keep the price below 2500.00 USD

[mossy venture]

Are you in the US?

And is what you're doing gpu intensive too, or just cpu/ram

[mossy venture]

If you do need a gpu, this with either a 7900xtx or 4080, and then there's still budget left for hdds

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hFhM34

If you dont need a gpu https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WyBmxH

[balmy lichen]

But is it worse to have bigger ram in any way other than financially?